Guru - Shishya (is it a Malik - Noukar Relationship?)

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Namaste Anuj Bhai,

 

I sent a private message y'day night which reflects some similar

views.

it goes like this-

 

"

with the grace of thakur & mother, i never showed any serious

intrest in finding Astrology guru or for that matter Spiritual guru.

the meaning of word Guru seems to be misunderstood by many so called

Guru's in this age. For me Guru is the one who loves you first and

then teaches you. who removes darkness and mainly destroys your

ahamkaar. who is also a great friend whom you can trust blindly and

towards whom you can show your displeasure. who can scold you and

who is not unhappy when you get angry. that is why i've loved

thakur. his relation, especially with Naren is the idle of Guru-

Shishya relationship. whenever i think of the episode of highly

troubled Naren going to Thakur for asking his permission for

sanyasa, and thakur singing a song " i am afraid of losing you.. " and

tears rolls down from the eyes of both of them. somebody asks as

what happened and Thakur saying to him that it is between us, don't

bother yourself......

"

 

I too have felt that 'Guru' in real sense for anybody and everybody

is the one who removes the Ignorance, all the other knowledge givers

are Respected Shikshaka. Even the *Guru* must not be out of the

realm of genuine questions.

 

As the Thakur says - " This Rascal I is very difficult to get rid of "

 

best regards

 

Utpal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology "

<astrologyhindu wrote:

>

> Namaste Respected Goelji

>

> Just a simple thought regarding Gurus. Adi Guru is Lord Shankar

himself as

> the knower of brahman and also a wholesome teacher of the same.

Guru the

> sabda losely translates to " Dispeller of Darkness " . Herein,

darkness is to

> be understood as ignorance. The ignorance with respect to Shashtra

is always

> in reference to the subject of Brahman. Therefore, the word Guru

refers only

> to the dispeller of the ignorant notions of Brahman. Nowadays, it

is

> fashionable to call teachers as Gurus even in other subject

matters. This is

> incorrect in the vision of the Shastra.

>

> Furthermore, what is more important - Seeking knowledge or

maintaining

> Gurudom? The very fact that Gurukul is for knowledge and has no

meaning if

> knowledge is missing, it is abundantly clear that knowledge is

what is to be

> sought.

>

> Thirdly, by questioning the teacher one does not disrespect one.

Most of the

> Vedanta Shastra is in the form of questions and answers. The

biggest

> disrespect for any great teacher is when the student believes in

Gurudom

> more than Knowledge.

>

> There is a abundance of Gurudoms nowadays in India and I guess it

is best we

> do not try to form another one here.

>

> With warm regards

> Anuj (Bharat)

>

>

> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> > Dear Friend,

> > Why bring Pt. Sanjay Rath , place your views independently.

> > I have again gone through the article of Rath ji and your

article

> > carefully.I got the impression , that you are try to advocate

your

> > views instead of trying to understand the real intent of BPH.

> > I may like to bring following points to your kind attention:

> > 1. Rath ji is your guru , never show disrespect to your guru.

> > Such attitude will bring your downfall. Rishi

Yajvalkya ,Jaimni

> > sometimes taken different line of thinking , but with the

permission

> > and with due respect to his guru.I think you are in USA too

long.

> > that is why you do not like to stick these simple norms.

> > 2. Parasara had refereed higher authorities in BPHS KIKE 'SEER

GARG'

> > 3. BPHS INTENDS THAT THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT

> > SCHEMES OF CHAR KARKAS-7 AS WELL AS 8

> > 4 In 7 char karka scheme Rahu is not considered .However , if

two planets

> > are same zodiac degree in their respective signs, then char

Karka

> > replacement

> > occurs and Rahu takes its place as sthir Karka of confusion and

> > deceit.Seven

> > (7 )CHAR KARKA SCHEME IS FOR MUNDANE CHARTS, THAT IS WHY

> > PUTRA kARKA IS ABSENT AND RAHU AS STHIR kARKA DOES NOT

> > REPRESENT ANY LIVING PERSON BUT DECEIT ETC.

> > 5. 8 CHAR KARKA SCHEME IS FOR LIVING BEING . BPHS

> > CLEARLY STATES 8 kARKA IN SERIAL ORDER-AK,AMK,

> > BK, MK, PITK,PUTK,GK AND DK.THERE IS ABSOLUTELY

> > ON AMBIGUITY OR CONFUSION.

> > 6. kindly TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE PURPORT AND REASON

> > BEHIND REPLACEMENT OF CHAR KARKA WITH STHIR KARKA.

> > THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AND CRUCIAL TO UNDERSTAND THE

SIGNIFICANCE ,AS TO

> > WHY CHAR KARKA ARE REPLACED BY STHIR

> > KARKAS.IN FACT THIS CHAPTER OF BPHS DEALS IN ALL KINDS OF

> > KARKAS ACCEPT NAISARGIKA KARKAS. THE SLOKAS IN THIS CHAPTER ARE

LIKE SUTRA

> > AND LOT OF CO-RELATION IS REQUIRED TO DECIPHER

> > THEM. CHAR KARKA INDICATE THE HELP AND SUSTENANCE PROVIDED

> > BY OTHER LIVING BEING OR LACK OF IT DUE TO THE ACTIONS OF PAST

> > BIRTHS.STHIR KARKA INDICATE WHEN SUCH LIVING BEING WILL

> > PUT TO GRIEF .

> > 6. I urge , kindly read the article written by Rathji . It will

show the

> > light.

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

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