Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Gurus and friends, The birth details given below is of a boy whose chart has Kantaka Shani from lagna (Gemini), AK and Chandra as well. The 8th house consists of a VRY , occupied by 6th load Mars and Shani in 8th H itself. Can this VRY negate malefic effects of Kantaka shani by giving opposite results?. The other query is, being moon as AK in lagna , the 8th H becomes MKS and thereby planets in 8th would be defunct! How the results are negotiated in this situation?. You are highly appreciated for giving better understanding on this query. March 14th 1992 1.25pm 5.30 east of GMT 79 E 54 , 6 N 42 Regards Goonatilaka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Dear Goonatilaka, Answer-1 A veeprit raja yoga (VRY) does not nullify the complete maleficent because of evil planetary occupation in dushtana bhavas. This is what Astrological Magazine's editor used to discuss in his regular article, " Your difficulties solved by Mihira " . No doubt, VRY bestows one unexpected and effortless success, or sometime financial gain and rise because of someone else's downfall or death. But a VRY made of natural malefics, simultaneously gives (mild) evil result especially at the end of relevant malefic sub/period. Answer-2 8th from lagna or Moon is the place known as khara (especially the range of 22nd drekkana or 64th navamsa) rather maran-karak-sthan (MKS). If Moon is itself occupied in 8th house (in natal or transit) then Moon is supposed to be in MKS. Kantak Shani is also a term, used to refer the transit of Saturn when it aspects/occupy 10th house. Hence Saturn's transit in either 1st, 4th, 8th or 10th house from natal Moon or lagna is called Kantak Sani. MKS is a different concept. Considering the results of MKS, you referred the word 'Defunct' but it does not imply fruitlessness or neutral here. Any planet in MKS seized to give good results (like it's death place) according to its karakttwa. In natal chart, if a malefic planet is occupied in 8th from lagna or Moon. Then it'll surely yield bad results which may result in mental (Moon) and physical (ascendant) suffering, during dasa/anter of that malefic planet (provided there is no counter benefic placement or aspect). With Regards, M. Imran sohamsa , " premgoona " <premgoona wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Gurus and friends, > > The birth details given below is of a boy whose chart has Kantaka > Shani from lagna (Gemini), AK and Chandra as well. The 8th house > consists of a VRY , occupied by 6th load Mars and Shani in 8th H > itself. Can this VRY negate malefic effects of Kantaka shani by > giving opposite results?. > The other query is, being moon as AK in lagna , the 8th H becomes > MKS and thereby planets in 8th would be defunct! How the results > are negotiated in this situation?. > > You are highly appreciated for giving better understanding on this > query. > > March 14th 1992 > 1.25pm > 5.30 east of GMT > 79 E 54 , 6 N 42 > > Regards > > Goonatilaka > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Imran, Highly appreciate your reply while thanking you for same. a)As you have described, VRY has taken place in this particular chart with malefic planets in 8th house but they are exalted (Mars) and own sign (Sat). Dushthana loads should be weak in dushthana to give full fledged results. Anyway Sat. has also taken part as a karaka for VRY. This is the case on the aspect of VRY is concerned. b) But , at the birth he got Kantaka Shani or (Sadsathi) from tripod of life ie. From soul (AK), Mana (Moon) and Lagna (physical) levels. This is the other aspect of this interesting case. c) You may have read the paper published by Guru Sanjayji on Darakaraka. There it is mentioned that " Planets , houses and arudhas in the marana karaka athana from athmakaraka are destroyed " . By destroying karakathwa of the panets in 8th , will it fortify the VRY further? I am just unable to get at a reasonable answer, if all this add to gather. And another query is, whose down fall if this VRY fructify ? Please help! Regards, Goonatilaka sohamsa , " M. Imran " <astroimran wrote: >Om Gurave Namah, > Dear Goonatilaka, > > Answer-1 > A veeprit raja yoga (VRY) does not nullify the complete maleficent > because of evil planetary occupation in dushtana bhavas. This is what > Astrological Magazine's editor used to discuss in his regular article, > " Your difficulties solved by Mihira " . > > No doubt, VRY bestows one unexpected and effortless success, or > sometime financial gain and rise because of someone else's downfall or > death. But a VRY made of natural malefics, simultaneously gives (mild) > evil result especially at the end of relevant malefic sub/period. > > Answer-2 > 8th from lagna or Moon is the place known as khara (especially the > range of 22nd drekkana or 64th navamsa) rather maran-karak-sthan > (MKS). If Moon is itself occupied in 8th house (in natal or transit) > then Moon is supposed to be in MKS. Kantak Shani is also a term, used > to refer the transit of Saturn when it aspects/occupy 10th house. > Hence Saturn's transit in either 1st, 4th, 8th or 10th house from > natal Moon or lagna is called Kantak Sani. MKS is a different concept. > > Considering the results of MKS, you referred the word 'Defunct' but it > does not imply fruitlessness or neutral here. Any planet in MKS seized > to give good results (like it's death place) according to its karakttwa. > In natal chart, if a malefic planet is occupied in 8th from lagna or > Moon. Then it'll surely yield bad results which may result in mental > (Moon) and physical (ascendant) suffering, during dasa/anter of that > malefic planet (provided there is no counter benefic placement or aspect). > > With Regards, > M. Imran > > > > > > sohamsa , " premgoona " <premgoona@> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Gurus and friends, > > > > The birth details given below is of a boy whose chart has Kantaka > > Shani from lagna (Gemini), AK and Chandra as well. The 8th house > > consists of a VRY , occupied by 6th load Mars and Shani in 8th H > > itself. Can this VRY negate malefic effects of Kantaka shani by > > giving opposite results?. > > The other query is, being moon as AK in lagna , the 8th H becomes > > MKS and thereby planets in 8th would be defunct! How the results > > are negotiated in this situation?. > > > > You are highly appreciated for giving better understanding on this > > query. > > > > March 14th 1992 > > 1.25pm > > 5.30 east of GMT > > 79 E 54 , 6 N 42 > > > > Regards > > > > Goonatilaka > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Dear Goonatilaka, Yes, for a VRY planets in dushtana, should be feeble. However, for me it is difficult to decipher the mutual and unique planetary connections, you referred. Rather speculating I would request Pt. Sanjay Rath and other well-versed members to shed light on you query. So that I could myself learn something new. With Regards, M. Imran sohamsa , " premgoona " <premgoona wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear Imran, > > Highly appreciate your reply while thanking you for same. > > a)As you have described, VRY has taken place in this particular > chart with malefic planets in 8th house but they are exalted (Mars) > and own sign (Sat). Dushthana loads should be weak in dushthana to > give full fledged results. Anyway Sat. has also taken part as a > karaka for VRY. This is the case on the aspect of VRY is concerned. > > b) But , at the birth he got Kantaka Shani or (Sadsathi) from tripod > of life ie. From soul (AK), Mana (Moon) and Lagna (physical) levels. > This is the other aspect of this interesting case. > > c) You may have read the paper published by Guru Sanjayji on > Darakaraka. There it is mentioned that " Planets , houses and > arudhas in the marana karaka athana from athmakaraka are > destroyed " . By destroying karakathwa of the panets in 8th , will it > fortify the VRY further? > > I am just unable to get at a reasonable answer, if all this add to > gather. And another query is, whose down fall if this VRY fructify ? > Please help! > > Regards, > Goonatilaka > sohamsa , " M. Imran " <astroimran@> wrote: > >Om Gurave Namah, > > > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > > > Answer-1 > > A veeprit raja yoga (VRY) does not nullify the complete maleficent > > because of evil planetary occupation in dushtana bhavas. This is > what > > Astrological Magazine's editor used to discuss in his regular > article, > > " Your difficulties solved by Mihira " . > > > > No doubt, VRY bestows one unexpected and effortless success, or > > sometime financial gain and rise because of someone else's > downfall or > > death. But a VRY made of natural malefics, simultaneously gives > (mild) > > evil result especially at the end of relevant malefic sub/period. > > > > Answer-2 > > 8th from lagna or Moon is the place known as khara (especially the > > range of 22nd drekkana or 64th navamsa) rather maran-karak-sthan > > (MKS). If Moon is itself occupied in 8th house (in natal or > transit) > > then Moon is supposed to be in MKS. Kantak Shani is also a term, > used > > to refer the transit of Saturn when it aspects/occupy 10th house. > > Hence Saturn's transit in either 1st, 4th, 8th or 10th house from > > natal Moon or lagna is called Kantak Sani. MKS is a different > concept. > > > > Considering the results of MKS, you referred the word 'Defunct' > but it > > does not imply fruitlessness or neutral here. Any planet in MKS > seized > > to give good results (like it's death place) according to its > karakttwa. > > In natal chart, if a malefic planet is occupied in 8th from lagna > or > > Moon. Then it'll surely yield bad results which may result in > mental > > (Moon) and physical (ascendant) suffering, during dasa/anter of > that > > malefic planet (provided there is no counter benefic placement or > aspect). > > > > With Regards, > > M. Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " premgoona " <premgoona@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Gurus and friends, > > > > > > The birth details given below is of a boy whose chart has > Kantaka > > > Shani from lagna (Gemini), AK and Chandra as well. The 8th house > > > consists of a VRY , occupied by 6th load Mars and Shani in 8th > H > > > itself. Can this VRY negate malefic effects of Kantaka shani by > > > giving opposite results?. > > > The other query is, being moon as AK in lagna , the 8th H > becomes > > > MKS and thereby planets in 8th would be defunct! How the results > > > are negotiated in this situation?. > > > > > > You are highly appreciated for giving better understanding on > this > > > query. > > > > > > March 14th 1992 > > > 1.25pm > > > 5.30 east of GMT > > > 79 E 54 , 6 N 42 > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Goonatilaka > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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