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OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAHDear Gordon Ji and others,As you stated in your mail,Rahu can give desires or Kama but not Moksha or emancipation.But as per the Shloka given in Jamini Sutras " atmadhiakaH kalaadirbhirna bhogassaptanamaShTanam va ",among seven planets from Sun to Saturn,who gets highest degrees in a sign is called Atma Karaka.But Maharshi also gives an alternate opinion " ashtanam va " meaning Rahu can be added in this scheme.But he omitted Ketu.Here Kala means minutes.Bhaga means degrees and vikala means seconds.But regarding Atma Karaka,there is a Shloka which says " saeeShTe bandha mokshayoH " meaning Atma Karaka should be capabale of giving both bondage ( Bandha ) and salvation ( Moksha ).So now if we involve Rahu as AK, then he can give only bondage and can not give Moksha as Moksha giving planet is Ketu which is not added in the Sapta (7) or Ashta (8) Karaka scheme.I hope this helps.With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,Ramadas Rao.On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:08:58 EDT sohamsa wroteDear Michal, Narasimha et al. I did not have time until today to look at all the arguments back and forth regaring Chara Karakas, but it does seem now that you've been missing out some considerations in this game of email boxing. Parashara's verses are not totally clear, neither are the Vriddhas quoted by Narasimha much clearer and so each person is championing a viewpoint and claiming that such and such proves this viewpoint is right. Neither wins just like that. Parashara does not say what happens when there are three or four or five or six or seven or even eight or nine planets on the same degree, which is theoretically possible. Nor does he say what happens when there are multiple sets of two planets of three planets on the same degree, which is not all that unusual. Should we assume that Rahu gets used more than once if there are two pairs? - that could easily follow from Narasimha's interpretation of the Slokas. It could even arguably be that Matri and Putra Karakas were given as an example in the Slokas. Surely we should admit that Parashara's statements are not clear and look for more, not necessarily from Parashara. (Perhaps Sanjay is hiding them away and watching the entertainment from afar). Or perhaps we should just look for examples in well known charts to back up the arguments. There have not been many of those so far that I have seen. Also the argument that Rahu comes in when sexual reproduction takes places seems naturally correct. After all, you could say - no sex, no Rahu. Regards Gordon

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Dear Ramdasji,

 

Namaskaar.

 

I have missed the thread of earlier discussions on this. But one thing must be kept in mind regarding Rahu as AK and `Moksha' that AK of one of the greatest saints of this yuga Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa had Rahu as his AK.

 

Any thought on this?

 

Warm regards,

 

JK

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ]On Behalf Of Ramadas RaoSunday, November 09, 2008 11:46 PMsohamsa Subject: Re : Chara Karakas

 

OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAHDear Gordon Ji and others,As you stated in your mail,Rahu can give desires or Kama but not Moksha or emancipation.But as per the Shloka given in Jamini Sutras " atmadhiakaH kalaadirbhirna bhogassaptanamaShTanam va ",among seven planets from Sun to Saturn,who gets highest degrees in a sign is called Atma Karaka.But Maharshi also gives an alternate opinion " ashtanam va " meaning Rahu can be added in this scheme.But he omitted Ketu.Here Kala means minutes.Bhaga means degrees and vikala means seconds.But regarding Atma Karaka,there is a Shloka which says " saeeShTe bandha mokshayoH " meaning Atma Karaka should be capabale of giving both bondage ( Bandha ) and salvation ( Moksha ).So now if we involve Rahu as AK, then he can give only bondage and can not give Moksha as Moksha giving planet is Ketu which is not added in the Sapta (7) or Ashta (8) Karaka scheme.I hope this helps.With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,Ramadas Rao.On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:08:58 EDT sohamsa wroteDear Michal, Narasimha et al. I did not have time until today to look at all the arguments back and forth regaring Chara Karakas, but it does seem now that you've been missing out some considerations in this game of email boxing. Parashara's verses are not totally clear, neither are the Vriddhas quoted by Narasimha much clearer and so each person is championing a viewpoint and claiming that such and such proves this viewpoint is right. Neither wins just like that. Parashara does not say what happens when there are three or four or five or six or seven or even eight or nine planets on the same degree, which is theoretically possible. Nor does he say what happens when there are multiple sets of two planets of three planets on the same degree, which is not all that unusual. Should we assume that Rahu gets used more than once if there are two pairs? - that could easily follow from Narasimha's interpretation of the Slokas. It could even arguably be that Matri and Putra Karakas were given as an example in the Slokas. Surely we should admit that Parashara's statements are not clear and look for more, not necessarily from Parashara. (Perhaps Sanjay is hiding them away and watching the entertainment from afar). Or perhaps we should just look for examples in well known charts to back up the arguments. There have not been many of those so far that I have seen. Also the argument that Rahu comes in when sexual reproduction takes places seems naturally correct. After all, you could say - no sex, no Rahu. Regards Gordon

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Dear Ramdas ji

7H from AK is the house of rebirth of the soul. If Rahu is AK

then the 7th house from it has Ketu which is moksha karaka. That is

why Rahu AK shows a strong potential for moksha...other factors favouring. One

single factor cannot decide this that’s why.

Regards

Sanjay

 

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ramadas Rao

10 November 2008 22:34

sohamsa

Re :RE: Re : Chara Karakas

 

 

 

 

 

 

OM

SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAH

Dear Dasgupta Ji,

Namaste.

Suppose if we change the AK to Moon who occupies Mesha Navamsha and 12th from

him is Meena Rashi ruled by Guru and Ketu is in trine to this Meena Rashi.Ketu

is a Yogi planet for his chart.Ketu in the Navamsha is in the Nakshatra of

Ashlesha ruled by Budha and Budha occupies Kumbha Navamsha with Shani and Guru

there.As Shani iin Kumbha indicates worship of Kalika Devi and is with Guru who

is MK and Puk,he took Sadhana of Mother Kalika Devi.

Like this we can interpret also.But the question is whther Rahu can give Moksha

or not.Any ancient texts give any clue regarding this ?Rahu is the planet of

desire or Kama and Ketu is the planet of Tyaga or renunciation,so I strongly

feel that if AK or 12th from him is related to Ketu can give Moksha.Also here

Ketu is in Karka Rashi ruled by Chandra who is AK.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:09:58 +0530 sohamsa wrote

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear

Ramdasji,

 

Namaskaar.

 

 

I have missed the thread

of earlier discussions on this. But one thing must be kept in mind regarding

Rahu as AK and `Moksha' that AK of one of the greatest saints of this yuga Sri

Ramakrishna Paramhansa had Rahu as his AK.

 

Any thought on

this?

 

Warm

regards,

 

JK

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ]On Behalf Of Ramadas

RaoSunday, November 09, 2008 11:46 PM

sohamsa: Re : Chara

Karakas

 

OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA

GURUBHYO NAMAHDear Gordon Ji and others,As you stated in your

mail,Rahu can give desires or Kama but not Moksha or emancipation.But as

per the Shloka given in Jamini Sutras " atmadhiakaH kalaadirbhirna

bhogassaptanamaShTanam va " ,among seven planets from Sun to Saturn,who

gets highest degrees in a sign is called Atma Karaka.But Maharshi also gives

an alternate opinion " ashtanam va " meaning Rahu can be added in

this

scheme.But he omitted Ketu.Here Kala means minutes.Bhaga means degrees and

vikala means seconds.But regarding Atma Karaka,there is a Shloka which says

"

saeeShTe bandha mokshayoH " meaning Atma Karaka should be capabale of

giving

both bondage ( Bandha ) and salvation ( Moksha ).So now if we involve Rahu as

AK, then he can give only bondage and can not give Moksha as Moksha giving

planet is Ketu which is not added in the Sapta (7) or Ashta (8) Karaka

scheme.I hope this helps.With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama

Smarana,Ramadas Rao.On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:08:58 EDT

sohamsa

wroteDear

Michal, Narasimha et al. I did not have time until today to look

at all the arguments back and forth regaring Chara Karakas, but it does

seem now that you've been missing out some considerations in this game of

email boxing. Parashara's verses are not totally clear, neither

are the Vriddhas quoted by Narasimha much clearer and so each person is

championing a viewpoint and claiming that such and such proves this

viewpoint is right. Neither wins just like

that. Parashara does not say what happens when there are three or

four or five or six or seven or even eight or nine planets on the same

degree, which is theoretically possible. Nor does he say what

happens when there are multiple sets of two planets of three planets on

the same degree, which is not all that unusual. Should we assume

that Rahu gets used more than once if there are two pairs? - that could

easily follow from Narasimha's interpretation of the Slokas. It

could even arguably be that Matri and Putra Karakas were given as an

example in the Slokas. Surely we should admit that Parashara's

statements are not clear and look for more, not necessarily from

Parashara. (Perhaps Sanjay is hiding them away and watching the

entertainment from afar). Or perhaps we should just look

for examples in well known charts to back up the arguments.

There have not been many of those so far that I have

seen. Also the argument that Rahu comes in when sexual

reproduction takes places seems naturally correct. After all, you

could say - no sex, no

Rahu. Regards Gordon

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Dear Ramdasji,

 

Sorry, somehow I overlooked your mail. From Sanjayji's mail - I saw that you replied on 10th Nov.

 

Regards

 

JK

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ]On Behalf Of Sanjay RathThursday, November 13, 2008 3:56 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: RE: Re : Chara Karakas

 

 

 

Dear Ramdas ji

7H from AK is the house of rebirth of the soul. If Rahu is AK then the 7th house from it has Ketu which is moksha karaka. That is why Rahu AK shows a strong potential for moksha...other factors favouring. One single factor cannot decide this that’s why.

Regards

Sanjay

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Ramadas Rao10 November 2008 22:34sohamsa Subject: Re :RE: Re : Chara Karakas

 

 

 

 

OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAHDear Dasgupta Ji,Namaste.Suppose if we change the AK to Moon who occupies Mesha Navamsha and 12th from him is Meena Rashi ruled by Guru and Ketu is in trine to this Meena Rashi.Ketu is a Yogi planet for his chart.Ketu in the Navamsha is in the Nakshatra of Ashlesha ruled by Budha and Budha occupies Kumbha Navamsha with Shani and Guru there.As Shani iin Kumbha indicates worship of Kalika Devi and is with Guru who is MK and Puk,he took Sadhana of Mother Kalika Devi.Like this we can interpret also.But the question is whther Rahu can give Moksha or not.Any ancient texts give any clue regarding this ?Rahu is the planet of desire or Kama and Ketu is the planet of Tyaga or renunciation,so I strongly feel that if AK or 12th from him is related to Ketu can give Moksha.Also here Ketu is in Karka Rashi ruled by Chandra who is AK.With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,Ramadas Rao.On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:09:58 +0530 sohamsa wroteDear Ramdasji, Namaskaar. I have missed the thread of earlier discussions on this. But one thing must be kept in mind regarding Rahu as AK and `Moksha' that AK of one of the greatest saints of this yuga Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa had Rahu as his AK. Any thought on this? Warm regards, JK sohamsa [sohamsa ]On Behalf Of Ramadas RaoSunday, November 09, 2008 11:46 PMsohamsa Subject: Re : Chara KarakasOM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAHDear Gordon Ji and others,As you stated in your mail,Rahu can give desires or Kama but not Moksha or emancipation.But as per the Shloka given in Jamini Sutras " atmadhiakaH kalaadirbhirna bhogassaptanamaShTanam va ",among seven planets from Sun to Saturn,who gets highest degrees in a sign is called Atma Karaka.But Maharshi also gives an alternate opinion " ashtanam va " meaning Rahu can be added in this scheme.But he omitted Ketu.Here Kala means minutes.Bhaga means degrees and vikala means seconds.But regarding Atma Karaka,there is a Shloka which says " saeeShTe bandha mokshayoH " meaning Atma Karaka should be capabale of giving both bondage ( Bandha ) and salvation ( Moksha ).So now if we involve Rahu as AK, then he can give only bondage and can not give Moksha as Moksha giving planet is Ketu which is not added in the Sapta (7) or Ashta (8) Karaka scheme.I hope this helps.With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,Ramadas Rao.On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:08:58 EDT sohamsa wroteDear Michal, Narasimha et al. I did not have time until today to look at all the arguments back and forth regaring Chara Karakas, but it does seem now that you've been missing out some considerations in this game of email boxing. Parashara's verses are not totally clear, neither are the Vriddhas quoted by Narasimha much clearer and so each person is championing a viewpoint and claiming that such and such proves this viewpoint is right. Neither wins just like that. Parashara does not say what happens when there are three or four or five or six or seven or even eight or nine planets on the same degree, which is theoretically possible. Nor does he say what happens when there are multiple sets of two planets of three planets on the same degree, which is not all that unusual. Should we assume that Rahu gets used more than once if there are two pairs? - that could easily follow from Narasimha's interpretation of the Slokas. It could even arguably be that Matri and Putra Karakas were given as an example in the Slokas. Surely we should admit that Parashara's statements are not clear and look for more, not necessarily from Parashara. (Perhaps Sanjay is hiding them away and watching the entertainment from afar). Or perhaps we should just look for examples in well known charts to back up the arguments. There have not been many of those so far that I have seen. Also the argument that Rahu comes in when sexual reproduction takes places seems naturally correct. After all, you could say - no sex, no Rahu. Regards Gordon

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