Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Members , Namaskar June 24, 1983 Time: 18:54:24 Time Zone: 2:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 19 E 03' 10", 50 N 17' 10" Lets take this chart. Also I cant understand this dasa. His main spiritual progress (2 Iskcon initiations harinama & gayatri / reciting 16 to 32 malas per day) was during Le Mahadasa. Le only aspect Shani (which is nor Lagnesh/Lagna nor Karaka Lagna). Only lord is with Karaka Lagna. Whilst next dasa of Virgo has extremely decreased his spirituality. He is only doing gayatri, drinks alcohol and runs after Shukra. Virgo aspects Karaka Lagna which instead should ignite move into sadhana..maybe later (as first part belongs to sign which is eleventh and not good for spirituality). Regards, Rafal Gendarz ----------------------------- http://rohinaa.com rafal Rafal Gendarz pisze: om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Narasimhaji, Namaskar Yes, but still dasa rasi falls to worst house when it comes to spirituality - maraka to mantra and moksha. Nodes are in 2/8 from Vrscika but Lagnesh falls to eleventh from it - also not good house for spirituality. Also this period was more into mantra and kirtana than dhyana - so how the maraka to mantra can be activated during that time if I was doing 20 malas of Mahamantra per day? So both Niryana and your Drigdasa falls to Vrscika...hm Regards, Rafal Gendarz ----------------------------- http://rohinaa.com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Narasimha P.V.R. Rao pisze: Dear Rafal, I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress. Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa is of Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed lagna is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in 12th including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna lord and nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual life. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: *kleem namah narasimhaaya* Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar * I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual progress was during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have association with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth and joining AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality...maybe I have wrong definitins..but thats my anubhava. October 25, 1982 Time: 19:35:30 Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00" Where I went wrong? * Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal Sanjay Rath pisze: > > Dear Arpad ji > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one point that > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on meaning of the > bija and other such things **during the course of the sadhana** ....I > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana Paramhamsa may > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain in great > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which have so > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has multiple > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta. Its all > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a flavour, > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was in the > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really not at > all necessary. > > > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when nothing > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor** and **take > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much later, that it > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using warm water > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the nerves while > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the weather. > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much energy in > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or disturbance to the > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri but was > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great Durga sadhaka > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them). > > > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest and > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the dasa rasi > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with the > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when the > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara atmakaraka. > > > > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath > > > > Maha Dasas: > > > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07 > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07 > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim graha bija) > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as subhapati in > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess > > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07 > > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha in the Sri > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe -- this is > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in which she > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in chaste > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I understood every > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak in Puri. > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked as I > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I decided to > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to see what was > transpiring. > > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a barrier with God > and it answered my all time question -- What language is God going to > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question from my > youth and was answered without even asking. > > > > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07 > > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change permanently. ..so > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my major > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure to come. > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself. > > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08 > > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08 > > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08 > > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08 > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] > *On Behalf Of *Arpad Joo > *Sent:* 07 November 2008 12:19 > *To:* sohamsa@ ..com > *Subject:* Re: Pronunciation of mantras > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Dear SS and Narasimha, > > > > Perhaps some tidbits from my encounter with one expert in the Mantra > shastra will throw some additional light upon the erudite and > scholarly commentary offered by Narasimha. > > I have come to the study of Sanskrit and Mantras from the "other end" > as it were. Sound by sound. Letter (akshara) by letter.The building > blocks of creation- as Guruji explained to me. > > Yes, Guruji. He was born in 1888 (!), a great Bengali yogi, by the > name of Janardan Paramahamsa. He was a very fierce ascetic and a > lifelong brahmachari. In his youth he was a terrorist( at least the > british called him this way) but to many people he was a freedom > fighter. (my version also)Upon taking disksha from his Guru,(gave up > the freedom fighting days)and he has retired into the jungles for > some 30 years to do continous saddhana. According to some, he did't > even talk to anyone for this period of time, as he has lived totally > alone. > > It is from him that I have learned what I know about the building > blocks of the Universe- the aksharas. He has called this Vidya > variously Dvani yoga, Kriya Yoga, Shabda yoga etc. Labels did't matter > too much though. > > He has intiated us (one by one) into the science of using Bija mantras > properly. Each bija Mantra required a separate diksha. The Science > (Vidya) is as exact as it possibly can be. Some Bija mantras > "produced" only in inhalation, some others, only in exhalation.The > exact technique leaves nothing to the imagination. (In fact > imagination is discouraged) . The exact technique is a secret, it was > and never will be published.Knowing it however, enables one, when > reading various Tantras, to understand what the writers have intended. > > Many Bija Mantras were taught, to some Saraswati Bija, others,Shiva > Bija,yet othersLakshmi, Durga,Varma, occasionally Krodha,Kinkini, > Kama, Etc > > Guruji was up by 3 30 am every morning, and we naturally followed his > example. We did saddhana all day. Guruji had awesome siddhis, which > manifested with "alarming" ease, nearly all the time.Naturally. His > prescriprion for every problem in life, whether marital,financial, > carrier or anything else was: SADDHANA. MORE SADDHANA. > > Now to the 4 levels of sound- as described by scholarly Narasimha. > > One of us was freshly intitiated into the use and mysteries of > Saraswati Bija. Guruji usually asked for fruits and flowers and some > coins (Guru dakshina), then put up the picture of his Gurus (/going > back to the great Matang Rishi)/, and gave the diksha.He had his own > way of doing things, such as opening the spine (by his touch) and then > almost inaudibly whispering the Mantra into the right ear. (please > take note: Panchang/Yoga/ Hearing). > > He was nearly 90 when we met.... > > Then the sadhak started doing Saraswati saddhana. All the time. > > *Through Guruji's grace* a /few days/(!) afterward there came a > moment when the Mantra just exploded.*Exploded.* There is no other > ways to describe it.Sonic boom. Of course ordinary consciousness is > shifted,enlarged at this moment. The sense of ego, "I" (how > laughable)is gone, like a bad dream.The Bija sound engulfs the > meditator, envelopes the whole being. All is sound.The Saraswati Bija > then starts to reveal itself, it's true sound more and more. > AIM- as how we pronounce it --(Vaikhari level) is just a faint, VERY > faint replica, a shadow of the real thing. Then, Saraswati Bija will > shift yet another "gear" upward, to the next level. Here the multitude > of sounds becomes a single sweet sound- (emanating from the heart > region),and at this level, of course consciousness shift also into a > different mode altogether. > > When the sadhak "came back" to his normal everyday consciousness and > related all this to Guruji, he just smiled and simply said:"Oh, you > have heard Saraswati play her Veena"... > > (Technically, the explosion is a sign of prana and apana uniting. It > is unmistakable. Can be frightening in the beginning as it is very loud.) > > Guruji discouraged all mental speculations about the philosophical > nature of Mantras, especially Bija Mantras. Saddhana...more Saddhana > was his constant advice. > > *As always, he was right.* > > > > I sincerely hope though that the small explanation above is somewhat > useful, looking at the same thing, from a different angle. > > > > With deep respect to all: > > > > AJ > > > sohamsa@ ..com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste SS, > > > > Sabda (loosely translated as sound or vibration) has 4 levels - > vaikhari, madhyama, pastanti and para. When moving parts of our gross > body (e.g. lips) move the gross bodies of objects around us (particles > in air) and this vibration is perceived by the senses attached to the > gross bodies of people around us (e.g. ears), that vibration is at the > level of vaikhari. When we are talking about pronunciation of mantras, > we are essentially talking about vaikhari. > > > > But we are not just our sthoola sareera (gross body). There is also > a sookshma sareera (subtle body), kaarana sareera (causal body) and > finally MahaKaarana sareera (cosmic body). Just as vibration in > sthoola sareera creates vaikhari, vibrations in other levels also > create vibrations at other levels. > > > > The image you have in mind when you chant a mantra and the thoughts > you are thinking when you chant a mantra go towards shaping the subtle > vibrations behind a mantra. They vibrate the space around you at the > subtle level. > > > > Once you cause of vibration of space around you (at gross or subtle > level), it is there. One with an ability to perceive it can perceive > it. Of course, the deity of your mantra does not receive just the > gross vibration produced by you, but receives and responds to the > entirety of the vibrations produced by you at all levels. > > > > Vaikhari is the least powerful level and para is the most powerful > level. > > > > All the scholarly preoccupation with the correct pronunciation etc > is a little trite. The devotion, sense of surrender and the ability to > create the correct mental images and correct thoughts to accompany the > chanting of the mantra are far more important. > > > > Of course, it is helpful to pronounce the mantra correctly too. I am > not saying ignore the correct pronunciation. Do your BEST to get it > correct. But all I am saying is that that plays a small part and a > bigger part is played by other factors which are often ignored. Do NOT > ignore those. > > > > Secondly, being a child as opposed to an arrogant scholar helps with > gods. If you can be like a child who is lost by parents at a fair and > crying for them, it is easier to find god. As a matter of fact, we ARE > almost like a clueless little children left by parents at the fair (of > samsara)! > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- > > > > > Dear Arpad, > > > > > > This is a very interesting acount you have given. It also raises a > > > rhetoric question whether water ceases to exist as water if called > > > paani, aab etc. This is so far as gross items go. > > > > > > For mantras that act at a subtle level there can be 2 veiws or more: > > > > > > 1. Correct pronunciation is a must (why then is there emphasis on the > > > same while reciting vedas etc.) - or else rakshati and bhakshati can > > > yeild different results (wonder if someone really evaluated that) > > > > > > 2. Meaning/Essence of the mantra should be understood and the effect > > > thus proceeds from there. > > > > > > Both veiws may be right in their own way. > > > > > > A prayer may have no words, yet can be effective. > > > > > > Example of Valmiki reciting Mara-Mara is popular - whichever category > > > that one falls in! > > > > > > Thanx for your time. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > SS Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1780 - Release 2008-11-10 20:58 Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1780 - Release 2008-11-10 20:58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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