6th house related to spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

November 12, 2008

Namaste Lakshmi,

You have a very point. The struggle (6th) of a material person ruins the devotion and mantra (5th). The service (6th) - to guru and society - of a spiritual person feeds and sustains the devotion and mantra (5th). Each house has many sides and shades.

Thanks for pointing it out.

Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

sohamsa , Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote:>> Hare Rama Krisna> Dear Narasimha and Rafal,> I think you have to draw a line between the 'average'> person who is a spiritual seeker and the extraordinary> persons.> > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA> trikona.> > But for a real spiritual person who is 100% engaged in> devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a pure> devotee ,> > >then the 6th house becomes a house of service/work to> guru and mission.> Only the really dedicated have given up everything,> given it all to guru and mission.Give all the fruits> of their actions to guru/mission.> Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I mean.> The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average> person path.> But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with> differently,often increasing their service and> intensity in sadhana.> with regards,> Lakshmi> > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote:> > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,> > > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana> > Shoola Dasa - viz. > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in> > 6th hs, taking > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch> > in 8th); he gets > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house -> > higher learning.> > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and> > also made some > > writings (A3 in 9th house).> > > > Best Regards,> > SS> > sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R.> > Rao" <pvr@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Rafal,> > > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual> > progress.> > > > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.> > When drigdasa is of > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The> > progressed lagna > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4> > planets are in 12th > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains> > lagna lord and > > nodes. This stands out as an important period in> > spiritual life.> > > > > > Best regards,> > > Narasimha> > >> >> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > Spirituality:> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> > http://www.SriJagannath.org> > >> >> > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz> > <starsuponme@> wrote:> > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar> > > *> > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest> > spiritual > > progress was > > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which> > doesnt have > > association > > > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which> > is fifth and > > joining > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure> > spirituality...maybe I have > > wrong > > > definitins..but thats my anubhava.> > > > > > October 25, 1982> > > Time: 19:35:30> > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"> > > > > > Where I went wrong?> > > *> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@> > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath pisze:> > > >> > > > Dear Arpad ji> > > >> > > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this.> > Just one point > > that > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about the> > teachings -- it is > > > > definitely foolish to even contemplate to> > speculate on meaning of > > the > > > > bija and other such things **during the course> > of the > > sadhana** ...I > > > > think it is this latter part that Guruji> > Janardhana Paramhamsa > > may > > > > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra> > books explain in > > great > > > > detail the formation of the bijas, their special> > names which have > > so > > > > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu> > has multiple > > > > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava,> > Shaiva, Shakta. > > Its all > > > > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only> > adds a flavour, > > > > perhaps a another way to understand that the> > banyan tree was in > > the > > > > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana> > it is really not > > at > > > > all necessary.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational> > answers when > > nothing > > > > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep> > on floor** and > > **take > > > > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised,> > much much later, > > that it > > > > was all about not getting entangled with making> > beds, using warm > > water > > > > which soothes as opposed to cold water that> > awakens the nerves > > while > > > > normal water keeps the body at the best> > temperature for the > > weather. > > > > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would> > waste too much > > energy in > > > > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance> > or disturbance to > > the > > > > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from> > Jagannath Puri but > > was > > > > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was> > a great Durga > > sadhaka > > > > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of> > them).> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the> > spiritual quest and > > > > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the> > being. When the dasa > > rasi > > > > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti> > associated with the > > > > planets getting invoked. The highest experience> > comes when the > > > > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at> > the chara > > atmakaraka.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Maha Dasas:> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07> > > >> > > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07> > > >> > > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted> > Ketu (trim graha > > bija) > > > > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara> > > >> > > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn> > as subhapati in > > > > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily> > guess

November 12, 2008

om namo bhagavate narasimhaya

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Your logic is bad.

Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of person (like the

avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for sudra/king -

Saravali).

Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally bad for spirituality.

Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa Varga. Sixth bhava in

Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but there simply must be yoga

for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga /even sookshma yoga/ like

in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to teach Veda/Vedanga in

foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

-----------------------------

http://rohinaa.com

rafal

Lakshmi Kary pisze:

Hare Rama Krisna

Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

I think you have to draw a line between the 'average'

person who is a spiritual seeker and the extraordinary

persons.

For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

trikona.

But for a real spiritual person who is 100% engaged in

devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a pure

devotee ,

>then the 6th house becomes a house of service/work to

guru and mission.

Only the really dedicated have given up everything,

given it all to guru and mission.Give all the fruits

of their actions to guru/mission.

Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I mean.

The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average

person path.

But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

differently,often increasing their service and

intensity in sadhana.

with regards,

Lakshmi

--- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak >

wrote:

> Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

>

> Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana

> Shoola Dasa - viz.

> e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in

> 6th hs, taking

> 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch

> in 8th); he gets

> Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house -

> higher learning.

> May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and

> also made some

> writings (A3 in 9th house).

>

> Best Regards,

> SS

> sohamsa ,

"Narasimha P.V.R.

> Rao" <pvr

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rafal,

> >

> > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual

> progress.

> >

> > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.

> When drigdasa is of

> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The

> progressed lagna

> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> planets are in 12th

> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains

> lagna lord and

> nodes. This stands out as an important period in

> spiritual life.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

>

-------------------------

> > Do a Short Homam Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > Spirituality:

>

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

>

-------------------------

>

> >

> > sohamsa ,

Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@> wrote:

> >

> > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > *

> > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest

> spiritual

> progress was

> > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which

> doesnt have

> association

> > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which

> is fifth and

> joining

> > AK has decreased my interest in pure

> spirituality...maybe I have

> wrong

> > definitins..but thats my anubhava.

> >

> > October 25, 1982

> > Time: 19:35:30

> > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"

> >

> > Where I went wrong?

> > *

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > www: http://rohinaa.com

/ email: rafal@

> >

> > Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > >

> > > Dear Arpad ji

> > >

> > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this.

> Just one point

> that

> > > perhaps you may have overlooked about the

> teachings -- it is

> > > definitely foolish to even contemplate to

> speculate on meaning of

> the

> > > bija and other such things **during the course

> of the

> sadhana** ...I

> > > think it is this latter part that Guruji

> Janardhana Paramhamsa

> may

> > > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra

> books explain in

> great

> > > detail the formation of the bijas, their special

> names which have

> so

> > > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu

> has multiple

> > > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava,

> Shaiva, Shakta.

> Its all

> > > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only

> adds a flavour,

> > > perhaps a another way to understand that the

> banyan tree was in

> the

> > > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana

> it is really not

> at

> > > all necessary.

> > >

> > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational

> answers when

> nothing

> > > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep

> on floor** and

> **take

> > > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised,

> much much later,

> that it

> > > was all about not getting entangled with making

> beds, using warm

> water

> > > which soothes as opposed to cold water that

> awakens the nerves

> while

> > > normal water keeps the body at the best

> temperature for the

> weather.

> > > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would

> waste too much

> energy in

> > > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance

> or disturbance to

> the

> > > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from

> Jagannath Puri but

> was

> > > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was

> a great Durga

> sadhaka

> > > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of

> them).

> > >

> > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the

> spiritual quest and

> > > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the

> being. When the dasa

> rasi

> > > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti

> associated with the

> > > planets getting invoked. The highest experience

> comes when the

> > > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at

> the chara

> atmakaraka.

> > >

> > > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath

> > >

> > > Maha Dasas:

> > >

> > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07

> > >

> > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07

> > >

> > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted

> Ketu (trim graha

> bija)

> > > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara

> > >

> > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn

> as subhapati in

> > > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily

> guess

> > >

>

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November 12, 2008

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Rafal,

You sound very angry these days, even though- try not

to be rude when replying to people.

How and why is my " logic " bad " ?PLease elaborate.

1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed in

a different light then average persons. (And that

desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under any

circumstance)

2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and is

a perfectly appropriate place to start ones

examination of a chart.

3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the

person viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who

and what he is looking at.

It is a matter of vantage point.

ie one average persons 6th house might relate more to

his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)

whereas a pure devotees " job " is to serve guru and /or

mission,

and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.

In a pure devotees/spiritualist/yogi (any lineage)

chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view, not

view it as mundane person life.

Where is the issue you have with my " logic "

Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading through

my post to begin with..

ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against

any dasa system

best wishes

Lakshmi

--- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

>

> Your logic is bad.

>

> Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of

> person (like the

> avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> sudra/king - Saravali).

>

> Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally

> bad for spirituality.

>

> Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa

> Varga. Sixth bhava in

> Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but there

> simply must be yoga

> for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga /even

> sookshma yoga/ like

> in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to

> teach Veda/Vedanga in

> foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> -----------------------------

> http://rohinaa.com

> rafal

>

> Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krisna

> > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > I think you have to draw a line between the

> 'average'

> > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> extraordinary

> > persons.

> >

> > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > trikona.

> >

> > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%

> engaged in

> > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a

> pure

> > devotee ,

> >

> > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> service/work to

> > guru and mission.

> > Only the really dedicated have given up

> everything,

> > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the

> fruits

> > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> mean.

> > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average

> > person path.

> > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > differently,often increasing their service and

> > intensity in sadhana.

> > with regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak

> <soulsadhak%40>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > >

> > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana

> > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls

> in

> > > 6th hs, taking

> > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> Vrisch

> > > in 8th); he gets

> > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th

> house -

> > > higher learning.

> > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)

> and

> > > also made some

> > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > SS

> > > sohamsa

> <sohamsa%40>,

> > " Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > Rao " <pvr

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> spiritual

> > > progress.

> > > >

> > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.

> > > When drigdasa is of

> > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn.

> The

> > > progressed lagna

> > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > planets are in 12th

> > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis

> contains

> > > lagna lord and

> > > nodes. This stands out as an important period in

> > > spiritual life.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

-------------------------

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>

> > > > Spirituality:

> > >

> > <>

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> <http://www.SriJagannath.org>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

-------------------------

> > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

> <sohamsa%40>,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > > > *

> > > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and

> biggest

> > > spiritual

> > > progress was

> > > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which

> > > doesnt have

> > > association

> > > > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra

> which

> > > is fifth and

> > > joining

> > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure

> > > spirituality...maybe I have

> > > wrong

> > > > definitins..but thats my anubhava.

> > > >

> > > > October 25, 1982

> > > > Time: 19:35:30

> > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 18 E 41' 00 " , 50 N 13' 00 "

> > > >

> > > > Where I went wrong?

> > > > *

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> /

> email: rafal@

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Arpad ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing

> this.

> > > Just one point

> > > that

> > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about the

> > > teachings -- it is

> > > > > definitely foolish to even contemplate to

> > > speculate on meaning of

> > > the

> > > > > bija and other such things **during the

> course

> > > of the

> > > sadhana** ...I

>

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November 12, 2008

Hare Rama Krishna,

Dear Lakshmi and Narasimha,

Wonder, why did you all completely forget the Karaka Saturn in

this issue. Who ever sit in 6th, bound to give results of Saturn and

it will destroy Mantra (Guru) of 5th house. I am just pointing

out the general rule, which can be modified by many riders etc. Which we don’t

know.

Thanks

Karu

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

Thursday, 13 November 2008 3:01 AM

sohamsa

Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to

Narasimha and Rafal

Namaste

Lakshmi,

You

have a very point. The struggle (6th) of a material person ruins the devotion

and mantra (5th). The service (6th) - to guru and society - of a spiritual

person feeds and sustains the devotion and mantra (5th). Each house has many

sides and shades.

Thanks

for pointing it out.

Best

regards,

Narasimha

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

---

In sohamsa ,

Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krisna

> Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> I think you have to draw a line between the 'average'

> person who is a spiritual seeker and the extraordinary

> persons.

>

> For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> trikona.

>

> But for a real spiritual person who is 100% engaged in

> devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a pure

> devotee ,

>

> >then the 6th house becomes a house of service/work to

> guru and mission.

> Only the really dedicated have given up everything,

> given it all to guru and mission.Give all the fruits

> of their actions to guru/mission.

> Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I mean.

> The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average

> person path.

> But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> differently,often increasing their service and

> intensity in sadhana.

> with regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote:

>

> > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> >

> > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana

> > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in

> > 6th hs, taking

> > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch

> > in 8th); he gets

> > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house -

> > higher learning.

> > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and

> > also made some

> > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > SS

> > sohamsa ,

" Narasimha P.V.R.

> > Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rafal,

> > >

> > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual

> > progress.

> > >

> > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.

> > When drigdasa is of

> > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The

> > progressed lagna

> > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > planets are in 12th

> > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains

> > lagna lord and

> > nodes. This stands out as an important period in

> > spiritual life.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> >

>

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > Spirituality:

> >

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> >

>

> >

> > >

> > > sohamsa ,

Rafal Gendarz

> > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > >

> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > > *

> > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest

> > spiritual

> > progress was

> > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which

> > doesnt have

> > association

> > > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which

> > is fifth and

> > joining

> > > AK has decreased my interest in pure

> > spirituality...maybe I have

> > wrong

> > > definitins..but thats my anubhava.

> > >

October 25, 1982

> > > Time:

19:35:30

> > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 18 E 41'

00 " , 50 N 13' 00 "

> > >

> > > Where I went wrong?

> > > *

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > www: http://rohinaa.com /

email: rafal@

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Arpad ji

> > > >

> > > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this.

> > Just one point

> > that

> > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about the

> > teachings -- it is

> > > > definitely foolish to even contemplate to

> > speculate on meaning of

> > the

> > > > bija and other such things **during the course

> > of the

> > sadhana** ...I

> > > > think it is this latter part that Guruji

> > Janardhana Paramhamsa

> > may

> > > > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra

> > books explain in

> > great

> > > > detail the formation of the bijas, their special

> > names which have

> > so

> > > > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu

> > has multiple

> > > > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava,

> > Shaiva, Shakta.

> > Its all

> > > > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only

> > adds a flavour,

> > > > perhaps a another way to understand that the

> > banyan tree was in

> > the

> > > > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana

> > it is really not

> > at

> > > > all necessary.

> > > >

> > > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational

> > answers when

> > nothing

> > > > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep

> > on floor** and

> > **take

> > > > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised,

> > much much later,

> > that it

> > > > was all about not getting entangled with making

> > beds, using warm

> > water

> > > > which soothes as opposed to cold water that

> > awakens the nerves

> > while

> > > > normal water keeps the body at the best

> > temperature for the

> > weather.

> > > > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would

> > waste too much

> > energy in

> > > > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance

> > or disturbance to

> > the

> > > > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from

> > Jagannath Puri but

> > was

> > > > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was

> > a great Durga

> > sadhaka

> > > > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of

> > them).

> > > >

> > > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the

> > spiritual quest and

> > > > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the

> > being. When the dasa

> > rasi

> > > > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti

> > associated with the

> > > > planets getting invoked. The highest experience

> > comes when the

> > > > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at

> > the chara

> > atmakaraka.

> > > >

> > > > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath

> > > >

> > > > Maha Dasas:

> > > >

> > > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07

> > > >

> > > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07

> > > >

> > > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has

exalted

> > Ketu (trim graha

> > bija)

> > > > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara

> > > >

> > > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has

AK Saturn

> > as subhapati in

> > > > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily

> > guess

November 12, 2008

Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Lakshmi,Then what do we do if we are just given a chart? You are saying that without the person who it belongs to in front of us we cannot assess it properly.Call me a purist, but I believe we should be able to just read the chart.For that we need proper definitions,Respectfully,MichalLakshmi Kary <lakshmikaryTo:

sohamsa Sent: Thursday, 13 November, 2008 7:50:09 AMRe: 6th house related to spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Rafal,

You sound very angry these days, even though- try not

to be rude when replying to people.

How and why is my "logic" bad"?PLease elaborate.

1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed in

a different light then average persons. (And that

desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under any

circumstance)

2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and is

a perfectly appropriate place to start ones

examination of a chart.

3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the

person viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who

and what he is looking at.

It is a matter of vantage point.

ie one average persons 6th house might relate more to

his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)

whereas a pure devotees "job" is to serve guru and /or

mission,

and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.

In a pure devotees/spirituali st/yogi (any lineage)

chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view, not

view it as mundane person life.

Where is the issue you have with my "logic"

Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading through

my post to begin with..

ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against

any dasa system

best wishes

Lakshmi

--- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

>

> Your logic is bad.

>

> Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of

> person (like the

> avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> sudra/king - Saravali).

>

> Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally

> bad for spirituality.

>

> Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa

> Varga. Sixth bhava in

> Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but there

> simply must be yoga

> for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga /even

> sookshma yoga/ like

> in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to

> teach Veda/Vedanga in

> foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> ------------ --------- --------

> http://rohinaa. com

> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

>

> Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krisna

> > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > I think you have to draw a line between the

> 'average'

> > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> extraordinary

> > persons.

> >

> > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > trikona.

> >

> > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%

> engaged in

> > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a

> pure

> > devotee ,

> >

> > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> service/work to

> > guru and mission.

> > Only the really dedicated have given up

> everything,

> > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the

> fruits

> > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> mean.

> > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average

> > person path.

> > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > differently, often increasing their service and

> > intensity in sadhana.

> > with regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak

> <soulsadhak% 40> >

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > >

> > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana

> > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls

> in

> > > 6th hs, taking

> > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> Vrisch

> > > in 8th); he gets

> > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th

> house -

> > > higher learning.

> > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)

> and

> > > also made some

> > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > SS

> > > sohamsa@ .com

> <sohamsa% 40. com>,

> > "Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > Rao" <pvr

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> spiritual

> > > progress.

> > > >

> > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.

> > > When drigdasa is of

> > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn.

> The

> > > progressed lagna

> > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > planets are in 12th

> > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis

> contains

> > > lagna lord and

> > > nodes. This stands out as an important period in

> > > spiritual life.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> > <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net

> <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> <http://www.SriJagan nath.org>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com

> <sohamsa% 40. com>,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > > > *

> > > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and

> biggest

> > > spiritual

> > > progress was

> > > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which

> > > doesnt have

> > > association

> > > > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra

> which

> > > is fifth and

> > > joining

> > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure

> > > spirituality. ..maybe I have

> > > wrong

> > > > definitins.. but thats my anubhava.

> > > >

> > > > October 25, 1982

> > > > Time: 19:35:30

> > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"

> > > >

> > > > Where I went wrong?

> > > > *

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> /

> email: rafal@

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Arpad ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing

> this.

> > > Just one point

> > > that

> > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about the

> > > teachings -- it is

> > > > > definitely foolish to even contemplate to

> > > speculate on meaning of

> > > the

> > > > > bija and other such things **during the

> course

> > > of the

> > > sadhana** ...I

>

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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Michal,

So what are we arguing about????

I did NOT say anywhere -that without the person in

front of us we can not access it properly.Is that what

you are saying?

Im simply saying.

1) Do not judge a mundane persons chart by the same

view as a spiritual person.

Otherwise you are committing an offense.

example- look at Krishnas life, born in a prison cell,

uncle is a murderer, he spends his life fighting with

people,all the ladies and most people are in love with

him, kidnaps a wife, etc. that is 100% mundane vision.

2) Next point -Unless you know who it is and/OR are

able to RECTIFY the time of the chart.. then you are

just guessing on the varga divisions.

Now if you are a competent astrologer, by looking at a

" blind " chart you still should be able to look at the

rasi and navamsa and have a pretty darn good idea

about someone. Who they are ,what they are.

(However if a jyotisha has developed his vision

through mantra etc he should beable to give a

reading,Thats were that extra blessing of ones guru

come in handy.)

Either way , who ever the chart belongs to the PROCESS

for analysis is the same, start with Lagna,everything

follows from there.

If you dont have opportunity for accurate data/ability

to rectify dates- then use prashna and other nimmita,

etc You know this already

Best wishes

Lakshmi

--- Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:

> Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

>

> Then what do we do if we are just given a chart?

> You are saying that without the person who it

> belongs to in front of us we cannot assess it

> properly.

>

> Call me a purist, but I believe we should be able to

> just read the chart.

>

> For that we need proper definitions,

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> ________________________________

> Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary

> sohamsa

> Thursday, 13 November, 2008 7:50:09 AM

> Re: 6th house related to

> spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Dear Rafal,

> You sound very angry these days, even though- try

> not

> to be rude when replying to people.

>

> How and why is my " logic " bad " ?PLease elaborate.

>

> 1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed

> in

> a different light then average persons. (And that

> desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under

> any

> circumstance)

>

> 2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and

> is

> a perfectly appropriate place to start ones

> examination of a chart.

>

> 3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the

> person viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who

> and what he is looking at.

> It is a matter of vantage point.

> ie one average persons 6th house might relate more

> to

> his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)

> whereas a pure devotees " job " is to serve guru and

> /or

> mission,

> and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.

>

> In a pure devotees/spirituali st/yogi (any lineage)

> chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view,

> not

> view it as mundane person life.

>

> Where is the issue you have with my " logic "

> Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading

> through

> my post to begin with..

> ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against

> any dasa system

> best wishes

> Lakshmi

>

> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

>

> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> >

> > Your logic is bad.

> >

> > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position

> of

> > person (like the

> > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> > sudra/king - Saravali).

> >

> > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally

> > bad for spirituality.

> >

> > Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa

> > Varga. Sixth bhava in

> > Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but

> there

> > simply must be yoga

> > for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga

> /even

> > sookshma yoga/ like

> > in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to

> > teach Veda/Vedanga in

> > foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > ------------ --------- --------

> > http://rohinaa. com

> > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> >

> > Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krisna

> > > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > > I think you have to draw a line between the

> > 'average'

> > > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> > extraordinary

> > > persons.

> > >

> > > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > > trikona.

> > >

> > > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%

> > engaged in

> > > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a

> > pure

> > > devotee ,

> > >

> > > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> > service/work to

> > > guru and mission.

> > > Only the really dedicated have given up

> > everything,

> > > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the

> > fruits

> > > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> > mean.

> > > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct

> average

> > > person path.

> > > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > > differently, often increasing their service and

> > > intensity in sadhana.

> > > with regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak

> > <soulsadhak% 40> >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > Can a similar logic be made while using

> Nirayana

> > > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch

> falls

> > in

> > > > 6th hs, taking

> > > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> > Vrisch

> > > > in 8th); he gets

> > > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th

> > house -

> > > > higher learning.

> > > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)

> > and

> > > > also made some

> > > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > SS

> > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa% 40. com>,

> > > " Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > > Rao " <pvr

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > >

> > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> > spiritual

> > > > progress.

> > > > >

> > > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct

> 2004.

> > > > When drigdasa is of

> > > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in

> Cn.

> > The

> > > > progressed lagna

> > > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > > planets are in 12th

> > > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis

> > contains

> > > > lagna lord and

> > > > nodes. This stands out as an important period

> in

> > > > spiritual life.

>

=== message truncated ===

November 13, 2008

om namo bhagavate narasimhaya

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Sorry if I have hurted you, it was not my intention at all.

My points lies in statement that correct judgment of sixth bhava should

(or can) be examined by

analysing sixth house (or Prashna per one of the discussion with

Sanjayji). We cant ignore the chart

based on our sensual observation of a person.

Sixth bhava is bad for spirituality as its the seat of shadripus which

are blocking the mantra, moksha and siddhi. Even unafflicted benefics

in sixth bhava share some flaw besides taking away the enmity and

disease.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

-----------------------------

http://rohinaa.com

rafal

Lakshmi Kary pisze:

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Rafal,

You sound very angry these days, even though- try not

to be rude when replying to people.

How and why is my "logic" bad"?PLease elaborate.

1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed in

a different light then average persons. (And that

desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under any

circumstance)

2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and is

a perfectly appropriate place to start ones

examination of a chart.

3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the

person viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who

and what he is looking at.

It is a matter of vantage point.

ie one average persons 6th house might relate more to

his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)

whereas a pure devotees "job" is to serve guru and /or

mission,

and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.

In a pure devotees/spiritualist/yogi (any lineage)

chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view, not

view it as mundane person life.

Where is the issue you have with my "logic"

Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading through

my post to begin with..

ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against

any dasa system

best wishes

Lakshmi

--- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:

> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

>

> Your logic is bad.

>

> Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of

> person (like the

> avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> sudra/king - Saravali).

>

> Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally

> bad for spirituality.

>

> Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa

> Varga. Sixth bhava in

> Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but there

> simply must be yoga

> for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga /even

> sookshma yoga/ like

> in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to

> teach Veda/Vedanga in

> foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> -----------------------------

> http://rohinaa.com

> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

>

> Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krisna

> > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > I think you have to draw a line between the

> 'average'

> > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> extraordinary

> > persons.

> >

> > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > trikona.

> >

> > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%

> engaged in

> > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a

> pure

> > devotee ,

> >

> > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> service/work to

> > guru and mission.

> > Only the really dedicated have given up

> everything,

> > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the

> fruits

> > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> mean.

> > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average

> > person path.

> > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > differently,often increasing their service and

> > intensity in sadhana.

> > with regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak

> <soulsadhak%40>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > >

> > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana

> > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls

> in

> > > 6th hs, taking

> > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> Vrisch

> > > in 8th); he gets

> > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th

> house -

> > > higher learning.

> > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)

> and

> > > also made some

> > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > SS

> > > sohamsa

> <sohamsa%40>,

> > "Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > Rao" <pvr

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> spiritual

> > > progress.

> > > >

> > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.

> > > When drigdasa is of

> > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn.

> The

> > > progressed lagna

> > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > planets are in 12th

> > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis

> contains

> > > lagna lord and

> > > nodes. This stands out as an important period in

> > > spiritual life.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

-------------------------

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>

> > > > Spirituality:

> > >

> > <>

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

> <http://www.SriJagannath.org>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

-------------------------

> > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

> <sohamsa%40>,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > > > *

> > > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and

> biggest

> > > spiritual

> > > progress was

> > > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which

> > > doesnt have

> > > association

> > > > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra

> which

> > > is fifth and

> > > joining

> > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure

> > > spirituality...maybe I have

> > > wrong

> > > > definitins..but thats my anubhava.

> > > >

> > > > October 25, 1982

> > > > Time: 19:35:30

> > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"

> > > >

> > > > Where I went wrong?

> > > > *

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com>

/

> email: rafal@

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Arpad ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing

> this.

> > > Just one point

> > > that

> > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about the

> > > teachings -- it is

> > > > > definitely foolish to even contemplate to

> > > speculate on meaning of

> > > the

> > > > > bija and other such things **during the

> course

> > > of the

> > > sadhana** ...I

>

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om namo bhagavate narasimhaya

Dear Michal, Namaskar

All Visti's students are so idealistic ? Good..

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

-----------------------------

http://rohinaa.com

rafal

Michal Dziwulski pisze:

Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Lakshmi,

Then what do we do if we are just given a chart? You are saying that

without the person who it belongs to in front of us we cannot assess it

properly.

Call me a purist, but I believe we should be able to just read the

chart.

For that we need proper definitions,

Respectfully,

Michal

Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary >

sohamsa

Thursday, 13

November, 2008 7:50:09 AM

Re:

6th house related to spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Rafal,

You sound very angry these days, even though- try not

to be rude when replying to people.

How and why is my "logic" bad"?PLease elaborate.

1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed in

a different light then average persons. (And that

desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under any

circumstance)

2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and is

a perfectly appropriate place to start ones

examination of a chart.

3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the

person viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who

and what he is looking at.

It is a matter of vantage point.

ie one average persons 6th house might relate more to

his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)

whereas a pure devotees "job" is to serve guru and /or

mission,

and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.

In a pure devotees/spirituali st/yogi (any lineage)

chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view, not

view it as mundane person life.

Where is the issue you have with my "logic"

Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading through

my post to begin with..

ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against

any dasa system

best wishes

Lakshmi

--- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

>

> Your logic is bad.

>

> Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of

> person (like the

> avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> sudra/king - Saravali).

>

> Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally

> bad for spirituality.

>

> Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa

> Varga. Sixth bhava in

> Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but there

> simply must be yoga

> for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga /even

> sookshma yoga/ like

> in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to

> teach Veda/Vedanga in

> foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> ------------ --------- --------

> http://rohinaa. com

> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

>

> Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krisna

> > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > I think you have to draw a line between the

> 'average'

> > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> extraordinary

> > persons.

> >

> > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > trikona.

> >

> > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%

> engaged in

> > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a

> pure

> > devotee ,

> >

> > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> service/work to

> > guru and mission.

> > Only the really dedicated have given up

> everything,

> > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the

> fruits

> > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> mean.

> > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average

> > person path.

> > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > differently, often increasing their service and

> > intensity in sadhana.

> > with regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak

> <soulsadhak% 40> >

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > >

> > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana

> > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls

> in

> > > 6th hs, taking

> > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> Vrisch

> > > in 8th); he gets

> > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th

> house -

> > > higher learning.

> > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)

> and

> > > also made some

> > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > SS

> > > sohamsa@ .com

> <sohamsa% 40. com>,

> > "Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > Rao" <pvr

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> spiritual

> > > progress.

> > > >

> > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.

> > > When drigdasa is of

> > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn.

> The

> > > progressed lagna

> > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > planets are in 12th

> > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis

> contains

> > > lagna lord and

> > > nodes. This stands out as an important period in

> > > spiritual life.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAst

rologer.org/ homam

> > <http://www.VedicAst

rologer.org/ homam>

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAst

rologer.org/ tarpana

> > <http://www.VedicAst

rologer.org/ tarpana>

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > http://groups.

/ group/vedic- wisdom

> > <http://groups.

/ group/vedic- wisdom>

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.

home.comcast. net

> <http://vedicastro.

home.comcast. net>

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> <http://www.SriJagan nath.org>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com

> <sohamsa% 40. com>,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > > > *

> > > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and

> biggest

> > > spiritual

> > > progress was

> > > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which

> > > doesnt have

> > > association

> > > > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra

> which

> > > is fifth and

> > > joining

> > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure

> > > spirituality. ..maybe I have

> > > wrong

> > > > definitins.. but thats my anubhava.

> > > >

> > > > October 25, 1982

> > > > Time: 19:35:30

> > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"

> > > >

> > > > Where I went wrong?

> > > > *

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> /

> email: rafal@

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Arpad ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing

> this.

> > > Just one point

> > > that

> > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about the

> > > teachings -- it is

> > > > > definitely foolish to even contemplate to

> > > speculate on meaning of

> > > the

> > > > > bija and other such things **during the

> course

> > > of the

> > > sadhana** ...I

>

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om namo bhagavate narasimhaya

Dear Lakshmi , Namaskar

So first ascertain based on chart why He was Krishna (like Garga did)

and then judge the rest of the chart based on that.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

-----------------------------

http://rohinaa.com

rafal

Lakshmi Kary pisze:

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Michal,

So what are we arguing about????

I did NOT say anywhere -that without the person in

front of us we can not access it properly.Is that what

you are saying?

Im simply saying.

1) Do not judge a mundane persons chart by the same

view as a spiritual person.

Otherwise you are committing an offense.

example- look at Krishnas life, born in a prison cell,

uncle is a murderer, he spends his life fighting with

people,all the ladies and most people are in love with

him, kidnaps a wife, etc. that is 100% mundane vision.

2) Next point -Unless you know who it is and/OR are

able to RECTIFY the time of the chart.. then you are

just guessing on the varga divisions.

Now if you are a competent astrologer, by looking at a

"blind" chart you still should be able to look at the

rasi and navamsa and have a pretty darn good idea

about someone. Who they are ,what they are.

(However if a jyotisha has developed his vision

through mantra etc he should beable to give a

reading,Thats were that extra blessing of ones guru

come in handy.)

Either way , who ever the chart belongs to the PROCESS

for analysis is the same, start with Lagna,everything

follows from there.

If you dont have opportunity for accurate data/ability

to rectify dates- then use prashna and other nimmita,

etc You know this already

Best wishes

Lakshmi

--- Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal >

wrote:

> Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Lakshmi,

>

> Then what do we do if we are just given a chart?

> You are saying that without the person who it

> belongs to in front of us we cannot assess it

> properly.

>

> Call me a purist, but I believe we should be able to

> just read the chart.

>

> For that we need proper definitions,

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> ________________________________

> Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary >

> sohamsa

> Thursday, 13 November, 2008 7:50:09 AM

> Re: 6th house related to

> spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Dear Rafal,

> You sound very angry these days, even though- try

> not

> to be rude when replying to people.

>

> How and why is my "logic" bad"?PLease elaborate.

>

> 1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed

> in

> a different light then average persons. (And that

> desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under

> any

> circumstance)

>

> 2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and

> is

> a perfectly appropriate place to start ones

> examination of a chart.

>

> 3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the

> person viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who

> and what he is looking at.

> It is a matter of vantage point.

> ie one average persons 6th house might relate more

> to

> his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)

> whereas a pure devotees "job" is to serve guru and

> /or

> mission,

> and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.

>

> In a pure devotees/spirituali st/yogi (any lineage)

> chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view,

> not

> view it as mundane person life.

>

> Where is the issue you have with my "logic"

> Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading

> through

> my post to begin with..

> ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against

> any dasa system

> best wishes

> Lakshmi

>

> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

>

> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> >

> > Your logic is bad.

> >

> > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position

> of

> > person (like the

> > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> > sudra/king - Saravali).

> >

> > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally

> > bad for spirituality.

> >

> > Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa

> > Varga. Sixth bhava in

> > Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but

> there

> > simply must be yoga

> > for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga

> /even

> > sookshma yoga/ like

> > in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to

> > teach Veda/Vedanga in

> > foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > ------------ --------- --------

> > http://rohinaa.

com

> > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> >

> > Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krisna

> > > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > > I think you have to draw a line between the

> > 'average'

> > > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> > extraordinary

> > > persons.

> > >

> > > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > > trikona.

> > >

> > > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%

> > engaged in

> > > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a

> > pure

> > > devotee ,

> > >

> > > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> > service/work to

> > > guru and mission.

> > > Only the really dedicated have given up

> > everything,

> > > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the

> > fruits

> > > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> > mean.

> > > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct

> average

> > > person path.

> > > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > > differently, often increasing their service and

> > > intensity in sadhana.

> > > with regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak

> > <soulsadhak% 40> >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > Can a similar logic be made while using

> Nirayana

> > > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch

> falls

> > in

> > > > 6th hs, taking

> > > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> > Vrisch

> > > > in 8th); he gets

> > > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th

> > house -

> > > > higher learning.

> > > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)

> > and

> > > > also made some

> > > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > SS

> > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa% 40. com>,

> > > "Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > > Rao" <pvr

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > >

> > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> > spiritual

> > > > progress.

> > > > >

> > > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct

> 2004.

> > > > When drigdasa is of

> > > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in

> Cn.

> > The

> > > > progressed lagna

> > > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > > planets are in 12th

> > > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis

> > contains

> > > > lagna lord and

> > > > nodes. This stands out as an important period

> in

> > > > spiritual life.

>

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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Michal and Rafal.

Yes, everyone who takes birth in material world has to have 'sin'.

And every being has a chart and every chart has dustanas!

Funny isnt it?

So , from your points of view what happens with the 6th house,its occupants and

its lord,

in the charts of pure devotees, and incarnations/avataras?Is the 6th house ,etc

an obstacle

for the pure ones?

Hope we are all on the same page by now.

Best wishes

Lakshmi

I dont have JH uploaded on this computer but perhaps someone who has data and

time

frames for incidents in their lives can post details of Lord Rama, Sri Krishnas

charts and let

us look at their 6th house and divine lila.Let us learn something.

sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

>

> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> Dear Lakshmi , Namaskar

> *

> So first ascertain based on chart why He was Krishna (like Garga did)

> and then judge the rest of the chart based on that.

> *

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> -----------------------------

> http://rohinaa.com

> rafal

>

> Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> > Dear Michal,

> > So what are we arguing about????

> >

> > I did NOT say anywhere -that without the person in

> > front of us we can not access it properly.Is that what

> > you are saying?

> >

> > Im simply saying.

> > 1) Do not judge a mundane persons chart by the same

> > view as a spiritual person.

> > Otherwise you are committing an offense.

> > example- look at Krishnas life, born in a prison cell,

> > uncle is a murderer, he spends his life fighting with

> > people,all the ladies and most people are in love with

> > him, kidnaps a wife, etc. that is 100% mundane vision.

> >

> > 2) Next point -Unless you know who it is and/OR are

> > able to RECTIFY the time of the chart.. then you are

> > just guessing on the varga divisions.

> > Now if you are a competent astrologer, by looking at a

> > " blind " chart you still should be able to look at the

> > rasi and navamsa and have a pretty darn good idea

> > about someone. Who they are ,what they are.

> > (However if a jyotisha has developed his vision

> > through mantra etc he should beable to give a

> > reading,Thats were that extra blessing of ones guru

> > come in handy.)

> >

> > Either way , who ever the chart belongs to the PROCESS

> > for analysis is the same, start with Lagna,everything

> > follows from there.

> >

> > If you dont have opportunity for accurate data/ability

> > to rectify dates- then use prashna and other nimmita,

> > etc You know this already

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal

> > <nearmichal%40>> wrote:

> >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > Then what do we do if we are just given a chart?

> > > You are saying that without the person who it

> > > belongs to in front of us we cannot assess it

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > Call me a purist, but I believe we should be able to

> > > just read the chart.

> > >

> > > For that we need proper definitions,

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > > Michal

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary

> > <lakshmikary%40>>

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > Thursday, 13 November, 2008 7:50:09 AM

> > > Re: 6th house related to

> > > spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > Dear Rafal,

> > > You sound very angry these days, even though- try

> > > not

> > > to be rude when replying to people.

> > >

> > > How and why is my " logic " bad " ?PLease elaborate.

> > >

> > > 1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed

> > > in

> > > a different light then average persons. (And that

> > > desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under

> > > any

> > > circumstance)

> > >

> > > 2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and

> > > is

> > > a perfectly appropriate place to start ones

> > > examination of a chart.

> > >

> > > 3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the

> > > person viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who

> > > and what he is looking at.

> > > It is a matter of vantage point.

> > > ie one average persons 6th house might relate more

> > > to

> > > his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)

> > > whereas a pure devotees " job " is to serve guru and

> > > /or

> > > mission,

> > > and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.

> > >

> > > In a pure devotees/spirituali st/yogi (any lineage)

> > > chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view,

> > > not

> > > view it as mundane person life.

> > >

> > > Where is the issue you have with my " logic "

> > > Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading

> > > through

> > > my post to begin with..

> > > ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against

> > > any dasa system

> > > best wishes

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

> > >

> > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Your logic is bad.

> > > >

> > > > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position

> > > of

> > > > person (like the

> > > > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> > > > sudra/king - Saravali).

> > > >

> > > > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally

> > > > bad for spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa

> > > > Varga. Sixth bhava in

> > > > Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but

> > > there

> > > > simply must be yoga

> > > > for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga

> > > /even

> > > > sookshma yoga/ like

> > > > in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to

> > > > teach Veda/Vedanga in

> > > > foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > http://rohinaa. com

> > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krisna

> > > > > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > > > > I think you have to draw a line between the

> > > > 'average'

> > > > > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> > > > extraordinary

> > > > > persons.

> > > > >

> > > > > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > > > > trikona.

> > > > >

> > > > > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%

> > > > engaged in

> > > > > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a

> > > > pure

> > > > > devotee ,

> > > > >

> > > > > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> > > > service/work to

> > > > > guru and mission.

> > > > > Only the really dedicated have given up

> > > > everything,

> > > > > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the

> > > > fruits

> > > > > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > > > > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> > > > mean.

> > > > > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct

> > > average

> > > > > person path.

> > > > > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > > > > differently, often increasing their service and

> > > > > intensity in sadhana.

> > > > > with regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak

> > > > <soulsadhak% 40> >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can a similar logic be made while using

> > > Nirayana

> > > > > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > > > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch

> > > falls

> > > > in

> > > > > > 6th hs, taking

> > > > > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> > > > Vrisch

> > > > > > in 8th); he gets

> > > > > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th

> > > > house -

> > > > > > higher learning.

> > > > > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)

> > > > and

> > > > > > also made some

> > > > > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > > SS

> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>,

> > > > > " Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > > > > Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > progress.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct

> > > 2004.

> > > > > > When drigdasa is of

> > > > > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in

> > > Cn.

> > > > The

> > > > > > progressed lagna

> > > > > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > > > > planets are in 12th

> > > > > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis

> > > > contains

> > > > > > lagna lord and

> > > > > > nodes. This stands out as an important period

> > > in

> > > > > > spiritual life.

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

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>

November 13, 2008

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Narasimha, and all.

What would be interesting and/or eye opening perhaps ,would be to research/study

the

points in the lives of saints,etc when they " emerge " .

When they are transformed .

I believe such people are that way from birth, but there usually a point in time

when they

" emerge " to fulfill their mission. Transition points in the lives of saints,it

would be

interesting. etc.

all the best

Lakshmi

-- In sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

>

> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> Dear Lakshmi , Namaskar

> *

> So first ascertain based on chart why He was Krishna (like Garga did)

> and then judge the rest of the chart based on that.

> *

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> -----------------------------

> http://rohinaa.com

> rafal

>

> Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> > Dear Michal,

> > So what are we arguing about????

> >

> > I did NOT say anywhere -that without the person in

> > front of us we can not access it properly.Is that what

> > you are saying?

> >

> > Im simply saying.

> > 1) Do not judge a mundane persons chart by the same

> > view as a spiritual person.

> > Otherwise you are committing an offense.

> > example- look at Krishnas life, born in a prison cell,

> > uncle is a murderer, he spends his life fighting with

> > people,all the ladies and most people are in love with

> > him, kidnaps a wife, etc. that is 100% mundane vision.

> >

> > 2) Next point -Unless you know who it is and/OR are

> > able to RECTIFY the time of the chart.. then you are

> > just guessing on the varga divisions.

> > Now if you are a competent astrologer, by looking at a

> > " blind " chart you still should be able to look at the

> > rasi and navamsa and have a pretty darn good idea

> > about someone. Who they are ,what they are.

> > (However if a jyotisha has developed his vision

> > through mantra etc he should beable to give a

> > reading,Thats were that extra blessing of ones guru

> > come in handy.)

> >

> > Either way , who ever the chart belongs to the PROCESS

> > for analysis is the same, start with Lagna,everything

> > follows from there.

> >

> > If you dont have opportunity for accurate data/ability

> > to rectify dates- then use prashna and other nimmita,

> > etc You know this already

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal

> > <nearmichal%40>> wrote:

> >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > >

> > > Then what do we do if we are just given a chart?

> > > You are saying that without the person who it

> > > belongs to in front of us we cannot assess it

> > > properly.

> > >

> > > Call me a purist, but I believe we should be able to

> > > just read the chart.

> > >

> > > For that we need proper definitions,

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > > Michal

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary

> > <lakshmikary%40>>

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > Thursday, 13 November, 2008 7:50:09 AM

> > > Re: 6th house related to

> > > spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > Dear Rafal,

> > > You sound very angry these days, even though- try

> > > not

> > > to be rude when replying to people.

> > >

> > > How and why is my " logic " bad " ?PLease elaborate.

> > >

> > > 1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed

> > > in

> > > a different light then average persons. (And that

> > > desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under

> > > any

> > > circumstance)

> > >

> > > 2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and

> > > is

> > > a perfectly appropriate place to start ones

> > > examination of a chart.

> > >

> > > 3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the

> > > person viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who

> > > and what he is looking at.

> > > It is a matter of vantage point.

> > > ie one average persons 6th house might relate more

> > > to

> > > his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)

> > > whereas a pure devotees " job " is to serve guru and

> > > /or

> > > mission,

> > > and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.

> > >

> > > In a pure devotees/spirituali st/yogi (any lineage)

> > > chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view,

> > > not

> > > view it as mundane person life.

> > >

> > > Where is the issue you have with my " logic "

> > > Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading

> > > through

> > > my post to begin with..

> > > ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against

> > > any dasa system

> > > best wishes

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

> > >

> > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Your logic is bad.

> > > >

> > > > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position

> > > of

> > > > person (like the

> > > > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> > > > sudra/king - Saravali).

> > > >

> > > > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally

> > > > bad for spirituality.

> > > >

> > > > Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa

> > > > Varga. Sixth bhava in

> > > > Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but

> > > there

> > > > simply must be yoga

> > > > for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga

> > > /even

> > > > sookshma yoga/ like

> > > > in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to

> > > > teach Veda/Vedanga in

> > > > foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > http://rohinaa. com

> > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krisna

> > > > > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > > > > I think you have to draw a line between the

> > > > 'average'

> > > > > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> > > > extraordinary

> > > > > persons.

> > > > >

> > > > > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > > > > trikona.

> > > > >

> > > > > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%

> > > > engaged in

> > > > > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a

> > > > pure

> > > > > devotee ,

> > > > >

> > > > > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> > > > service/work to

> > > > > guru and mission.

> > > > > Only the really dedicated have given up

> > > > everything,

> > > > > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the

> > > > fruits

> > > > > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > > > > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> > > > mean.

> > > > > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct

> > > average

> > > > > person path.

> > > > > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > > > > differently, often increasing their service and

> > > > > intensity in sadhana.

> > > > > with regards,

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak

> > > > <soulsadhak% 40> >

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can a similar logic be made while using

> > > Nirayana

> > > > > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > > > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch

> > > falls

> > > > in

> > > > > > 6th hs, taking

> > > > > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> > > > Vrisch

> > > > > > in 8th); he gets

> > > > > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th

> > > > house -

> > > > > > higher learning.

> > > > > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)

> > > > and

> > > > > > also made some

> > > > > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > > SS

> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>,

> > > > > " Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > > > > Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > progress.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct

> > > 2004.

> > > > > > When drigdasa is of

> > > > > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in

> > > Cn.

> > > > The

> > > > > > progressed lagna

> > > > > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > > > > planets are in 12th

> > > > > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis

> > > > contains

> > > > > > lagna lord and

> > > > > > nodes. This stands out as an important period

> > > in

> > > > > > spiritual life.

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

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> >

>

November 13, 2008

Dear members,

In my experience whenever I passed through Rahu Sub period, (Rahu in

6th(Scorpio)), there had been an irresistable urge to pursue

spiritual interests. May be because Scorpio is a Moksha trine.

I think if the 6th house falls in Moksha trine, 6th lord or planets

posited in it can trigger spiritual interests. Dont know if I am

right.

Regards,

Jyothi

sohamsa , " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Dear Michal and Rafal.

> Yes, everyone who takes birth in material world has to have 'sin'.

> And every being has a chart and every chart has dustanas!

> Funny isnt it?

> So , from your points of view what happens with the 6th house,its

occupants and its lord,

> in the charts of pure devotees, and incarnations/avataras?Is the

6th house ,etc an obstacle

> for the pure ones?

> Hope we are all on the same page by now.

> Best wishes

> Lakshmi

> I dont have JH uploaded on this computer but perhaps someone who

has data and time

> frames for incidents in their lives can post details of Lord Rama,

Sri Krishnas charts and let

> us look at their 6th house and divine lila.Let us learn something.

>

> sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:

> >

> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > Dear Lakshmi , Namaskar

> > *

> > So first ascertain based on chart why He was Krishna (like Garga

did)

> > and then judge the rest of the chart based on that.

> > *

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > -----------------------------

> > http://rohinaa.com

> > rafal@

> >

> > Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > Dear Michal,

> > > So what are we arguing about????

> > >

> > > I did NOT say anywhere -that without the person in

> > > front of us we can not access it properly.Is that what

> > > you are saying?

> > >

> > > Im simply saying.

> > > 1) Do not judge a mundane persons chart by the same

> > > view as a spiritual person.

> > > Otherwise you are committing an offense.

> > > example- look at Krishnas life, born in a prison cell,

> > > uncle is a murderer, he spends his life fighting with

> > > people,all the ladies and most people are in love with

> > > him, kidnaps a wife, etc. that is 100% mundane vision.

> > >

> > > 2) Next point -Unless you know who it is and/OR are

> > > able to RECTIFY the time of the chart.. then you are

> > > just guessing on the varga divisions.

> > > Now if you are a competent astrologer, by looking at a

> > > " blind " chart you still should be able to look at the

> > > rasi and navamsa and have a pretty darn good idea

> > > about someone. Who they are ,what they are.

> > > (However if a jyotisha has developed his vision

> > > through mantra etc he should beable to give a

> > > reading,Thats were that extra blessing of ones guru

> > > come in handy.)

> > >

> > > Either way , who ever the chart belongs to the PROCESS

> > > for analysis is the same, start with Lagna,everything

> > > follows from there.

> > >

> > > If you dont have opportunity for accurate data/ability

> > > to rectify dates- then use prashna and other nimmita,

> > > etc You know this already

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > --- Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@

> > > <nearmichal%40>> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > >

> > > > Then what do we do if we are just given a chart?

> > > > You are saying that without the person who it

> > > > belongs to in front of us we cannot assess it

> > > > properly.

> > > >

> > > > Call me a purist, but I believe we should be able to

> > > > just read the chart.

> > > >

> > > > For that we need proper definitions,

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully,

> > > > Michal

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@

> > > <lakshmikary%40>>

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > > Thursday, 13 November, 2008 7:50:09 AM

> > > > Re: 6th house related to

> > > > spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > You sound very angry these days, even though- try

> > > > not

> > > > to be rude when replying to people.

> > > >

> > > > How and why is my " logic " bad " ?PLease elaborate.

> > > >

> > > > 1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed

> > > > in

> > > > a different light then average persons. (And that

> > > > desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under

> > > > any

> > > > circumstance)

> > > >

> > > > 2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and

> > > > is

> > > > a perfectly appropriate place to start ones

> > > > examination of a chart.

> > > >

> > > > 3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the

> > > > person viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who

> > > > and what he is looking at.

> > > > It is a matter of vantage point.

> > > > ie one average persons 6th house might relate more

> > > > to

> > > > his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)

> > > > whereas a pure devotees " job " is to serve guru and

> > > > /or

> > > > mission,

> > > > and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.

> > > >

> > > > In a pure devotees/spirituali st/yogi (any lineage)

> > > > chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view,

> > > > not

> > > > view it as mundane person life.

> > > >

> > > > Where is the issue you have with my " logic "

> > > > Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading

> > > > through

> > > > my post to begin with..

> > > > ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against

> > > > any dasa system

> > > > best wishes

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Your logic is bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position

> > > > of

> > > > > person (like the

> > > > > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> > > > > sudra/king - Saravali).

> > > > >

> > > > > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally

> > > > > bad for spirituality.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa

> > > > > Varga. Sixth bhava in

> > > > > Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but

> > > > there

> > > > > simply must be yoga

> > > > > for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga

> > > > /even

> > > > > sookshma yoga/ like

> > > > > in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to

> > > > > teach Veda/Vedanga in

> > > > > foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > >

> > > > > Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krisna

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > > > > > I think you have to draw a line between the

> > > > > 'average'

> > > > > > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> > > > > extraordinary

> > > > > > persons.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > > > > > trikona.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%

> > > > > engaged in

> > > > > > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a

> > > > > pure

> > > > > > devotee ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> > > > > service/work to

> > > > > > guru and mission.

> > > > > > Only the really dedicated have given up

> > > > > everything,

> > > > > > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the

> > > > > fruits

> > > > > > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > > > > > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> > > > > mean.

> > > > > > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct

> > > > average

> > > > > > person path.

> > > > > > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > > > > > differently, often increasing their service and

> > > > > > intensity in sadhana.

> > > > > > with regards,

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak

> > > > > <soulsadhak% 40> >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can a similar logic be made while using

> > > > Nirayana

> > > > > > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > > > > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch

> > > > falls

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 6th hs, taking

> > > > > > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> > > > > Vrisch

> > > > > > > in 8th); he gets

> > > > > > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th

> > > > > house -

> > > > > > > higher learning.

> > > > > > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > also made some

> > > > > > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > > > SS

> > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>,

> > > > > > " Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > > > > > Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > progress.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct

> > > > 2004.

> > > > > > > When drigdasa is of

> > > > > > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in

> > > > Cn.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > progressed lagna

> > > > > > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > > > > > planets are in 12th

> > > > > > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis

> > > > > contains

> > > > > > > lagna lord and

> > > > > > > nodes. This stands out as an important period

> > > > in

> > > > > > > spiritual life.

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> > > -------------------------------

--

> ------

> > >

> > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com

> > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1783 - Release Date:

2008-11-12 10:01

> > >

> >

>

November 13, 2008

Dear Jyoti

Rahu is the dharmesha ..co-lord of 9th house and is

in debility in 6H thats why the desire to study spiritual subjects and acquire

spirituality/religion related knowledge. Its is not because Rahu is 6th

house. You can check charts of many with Rahu in 6H. I don’t know details but

Rahu should also be linked to a trine from AK or its 12H in navamsha.

Scorpio is not mosha trine in 6H but a natural moksha trine as

jala rashi. That is not sufficient cause for it to give those results.

Regards

Sanjay Rath

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of jyothi_b_lakshmi

13 November 2008 14:17

sohamsa

Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to

Narasimha and Rafal

Dear members,

In my experience whenever I passed through Rahu Sub period, (Rahu in

6th(Scorpio)), there had been an irresistable urge to pursue

spiritual interests. May be because Scorpio is a Moksha trine.

I think if the 6th house falls in Moksha trine, 6th lord or planets

posited in it can trigger spiritual interests. Dont know if I am

right.

Regards,

Jyothi

sohamsa ,

" lakshmikary " <lakshmikary wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Dear Michal and Rafal.

> Yes, everyone who takes birth in material world has to have 'sin'.

> And every being has a chart and every chart has dustanas!

> Funny isnt it?

> So , from your points of view what happens with the 6th house,its

occupants and its lord,

> in the charts of pure devotees, and incarnations/avataras?Is the

6th house ,etc an obstacle

> for the pure ones?

> Hope we are all on the same page by now.

> Best wishes

> Lakshmi

> I dont have JH uploaded on this computer but perhaps someone who

has data and time

> frames for incidents in their lives can post details of Lord Rama,

Sri Krishnas charts and let

> us look at their 6th house and divine lila.Let us learn something.

>

November 14, 2008

Dear Sanjayji,

I am sorry. Rahu in my chart is AmK and not AK, and no obvious

relationship with AK.

Any way, now I know how to check for spiriual interests, so whether

Rahu is AK or AmK in my chart does not matter.

Regards,

Jyothi

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote:

>

> Dear Jyoti

>

> Rahu is the dharmesha ..co-lord of 9th house and is in debility in

6H thats

> why the desire to study spiritual subjects and acquire

spirituality/religion

> related knowledge. Its is not because Rahu is 6th house. You can

check

> charts of many with Rahu in 6H. I don't know details but Rahu

should also be

> linked to a trine from AK or its 12H in navamsha.

>

> Scorpio is not mosha trine in 6H but a natural moksha trine as jala

rashi.

> That is not sufficient cause for it to give those results.

>

> Regards

>

> Sanjay Rath

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> 13 November 2008 14:17

> sohamsa

> Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to

Narasimha

> and Rafal

>

> Dear members,

>

> In my experience whenever I passed through Rahu Sub period, (Rahu

in

> 6th(Scorpio)), there had been an irresistable urge to pursue

> spiritual interests. May be because Scorpio is a Moksha trine.

>

> I think if the 6th house falls in Moksha trine, 6th lord or planets

> posited in it can trigger spiritual interests. Dont know if I am

> right.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ,

> " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> > Dear Michal and Rafal.

> > Yes, everyone who takes birth in material world has to have 'sin'.

> > And every being has a chart and every chart has dustanas!

> > Funny isnt it?

> > So , from your points of view what happens with the 6th house,its

> occupants and its lord,

> > in the charts of pure devotees, and incarnations/avataras?Is the

> 6th house ,etc an obstacle

> > for the pure ones?

> > Hope we are all on the same page by now.

> > Best wishes

> > Lakshmi

> > I dont have JH uploaded on this computer but perhaps someone who

> has data and time

> > frames for incidents in their lives can post details of Lord

Rama,

> Sri Krishnas charts and let

> > us look at their 6th house and divine lila.Let us learn something.

> >

>

November 17, 2008

Dear Sanjayji,

I never thought in that direction (Rahu being co-lord of 9th). Thank

you for pointing that out.

I dont know how to attach the Jhd chart. I am not able to find any

option to attach.

I can give you my birth details.

DOB: Oct 1, 1975

TOB: 11.41 pm

Place: Calicut, Kerala

Regards,

Jyothi

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote:

>

> Jyoti

>

> You missed the fact of Rahu bring the co-lord of 9th house. How do

you know

> you have not missed something else? Please look again, else post

your jhd

> chart file (attachment) with reply

>

> Regards

>

> rath

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> 14 November 2008 19:10

> sohamsa

> Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to

Narasimha

> and Rafal

>

> Dear Sanjayji,

>

> I am sorry. Rahu in my chart is AmK and not AK, and no obvious

> relationship with AK.

> Any way, now I know how to check for spiriual interests, so whether

> Rahu is AK or AmK in my chart does not matter.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%

40> , " Sanjay

> Rath " <sjrath@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyoti

> >

> > Rahu is the dharmesha ..co-lord of 9th house and is in debility

in

> 6H thats

> > why the desire to study spiritual subjects and acquire

> spirituality/religion

> > related knowledge. Its is not because Rahu is 6th house. You can

> check

> > charts of many with Rahu in 6H. I don't know details but Rahu

> should also be

> > linked to a trine from AK or its 12H in navamsha.

> >

> > Scorpio is not mosha trine in 6H but a natural moksha trine as

jala

> rashi.

> > That is not sufficient cause for it to give those results.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> [sohamsa <sohamsa%

40> ] On

> Behalf Of

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > 13 November 2008 14:17

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to

> Narasimha

> > and Rafal

> >

> > Dear members,

> >

> > In my experience whenever I passed through Rahu Sub period, (Rahu

> in

> > 6th(Scorpio)), there had been an irresistable urge to pursue

> > spiritual interests. May be because Scorpio is a Moksha trine.

> >

> > I think if the 6th house falls in Moksha trine, 6th lord or

planets

> > posited in it can trigger spiritual interests. Dont know if I am

> > right.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> <sohamsa%40> ,

> > " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > Dear Michal and Rafal.

> > > Yes, everyone who takes birth in material world has to

have 'sin'.

> > > And every being has a chart and every chart has dustanas!

> > > Funny isnt it?

> > > So , from your points of view what happens with the 6th

house,its

> > occupants and its lord,

> > > in the charts of pure devotees, and incarnations/avataras?Is

the

> > 6th house ,etc an obstacle

> > > for the pure ones?

> > > Hope we are all on the same page by now.

> > > Best wishes

> > > Lakshmi

> > > I dont have JH uploaded on this computer but perhaps someone

who

> > has data and time

> > > frames for incidents in their lives can post details of Lord

> Rama,

> > Sri Krishnas charts and let

> > > us look at their 6th house and divine lila.Let us learn

something.

> > >

> >

>

November 18, 2008

Dear Jyothi,

The default location where the charts are saved on your hard disk is "Data". So, in whatever mail program you use, e.g., , you click "attach files", and go to "browse" and the path where your charts will be located will be this: choose one after another -

C: [i.e. your local hard disk], then "Program Files" then "Jyotisha" then "Jagannatha Hora" then "Data" and then finally choose the chart you wish to send.

Hope this is useful.

PG

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafalsohamsa Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 3:40 AMDear Lakshmiji,

I tried doing it(Sending from JHora), but it goes to Outlook, but Outlook settings are not configured in my laptop. So I couldnt send it. But I am really thankful and appreciate your concern. Regards,

Jyothi

sohamsa , Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Dear Jyothi,

> As far as I remember,

> When you have your JH chart open ,

> go to "file" in JH tool bar,

> and scroll down untill you see,

> "send chart to someone else with JH software" Click.

> When you do that it will load the chart onto your default mail service.

> Another way to send charts,

> right click on the rasi chart and scroll to bottom of options,

> where there are several options for copying the chart, > then you can paste it into an e-mail or on blank sheet,

> Best wishes

> Lakshmi

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> Dear Sanjayji,

> > I never thought in that direction (Rahu being co-lord of 9th). Thank > you for pointing that out. > > I dont know how to attach the Jhd chart. I am not able to find any > option to attach. > > I can give you my birth details.

> > DOB: Oct 1, 1975

> TOB: 11.41 pm

> Place: Calicut, Kerala > > Regards,

> Jyothi

> > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@>

wrote:

> >

> > Jyoti

> > > > You missed the fact of Rahu bring the co-lord of 9th house. How do > you know

> > you have not missed something else? Please look again, else post > your jhd

> > chart file (attachment) with reply

> > > > Regards

> > > > rath

> > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > 14 November 2008 19:10

> > sohamsa

> > Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to > Narasimha

> > and Rafal

> > > > > > > > Dear Sanjayji,

> > > > I am sorry. Rahu in my chart is AmK and not AK, and no obvious > > relationship with AK. > > Any way, now I know how to check for spiriual interests, so whether > > Rahu is AK or AmK in my chart does not matter.

> > > > Regards,

> > Jyothi > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40> , "Sanjay

> > Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jyoti

> > > > > > Rahu is the dharmesha ..co-lord of 9th house and is in debility > in > > 6H thats

> > > why the desire to study spiritual subjects and acquire > > spirituality/religion

> > > related knowledge. Its is not because Rahu is 6th house. You can > > check

> > > charts of many with Rahu in 6H. I don't know details but

Rahu > > should also be

> > > linked to a trine from AK or its 12H in navamsha. > > > > > > Scorpio is not mosha trine in 6H but a natural moksha trine as > jala > > rashi.

> > > That is not sufficient cause for it to give those results.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> > [sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40> ] On > > Behalf Of

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > 13 November 2008 14:17

> > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40> > > > Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to > > Narasimha

> > > and Rafal

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > In my experience whenever I passed through Rahu Sub period, (Rahu > > in > > > 6th(Scorpio)), there had been an irresistable urge to pursue > > > spiritual interests. May be because Scorpio is a Moksha trine.

> > > > > > I think if the 6th house falls in Moksha trine, 6th lord or > planets > > > posited in it can trigger spiritual interests. Dont know if I am > > > right. > > > > > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>

> > <sohamsa%40> ,

> > > "lakshmikary" <lakshmikary@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > Dear Michal and Rafal.

> > > > Yes, everyone who takes birth in material world has to > have 'sin'.

> > > > And every being has a chart and every chart has dustanas!

> > > > Funny isnt it? > > > > So , from your points of view what happens with the 6th > house,its > > > occupants and its lord, > > > > in the charts of pure devotees, and

incarnations/avataras?Is > the > > > 6th house ,etc an obstacle > > > > for the pure ones?

> > > > Hope we are all on the same page by now.

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > > I dont have JH uploaded on this computer but perhaps

someone > who > > > has data and time > > > > frames for incidents in their lives can post details of

Lord > > Rama, > > > Sri Krishnas charts and let > > > > us look at their 6th house and divine lila.Let us learn > something.

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> >

>

---

November 18, 2008

Dear Jyothi,

Try this:

1. Hit " Search " for " *.jhd " in your computer (in all hard drives that

may be there).

It will return all the chart files wherever they are in your

computer.

2. You can note down the location (e.g. C:\Programs\...) and open the

file from that path through JHora (File > Open). Then send it through

the email option.

Hope it helps.

SS

sohamsa , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

<jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

>

> Dear Patheyaji,

>

> I tried that too. But I dont know why, the Data folder shows only

the

> default charts (that comes along with the software). The ones I had

> created and saved (though I have saved all those files in the

default

> Data folder) are not found in the Data folder. Puzzling

>

> Let me find some other way.

>

> Thanks for the information.

>

> Regards,

>

> Jyothi

>

> sohamsa , Patheya Goyal <patheyagoyal@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyothi,

> >

> > The default location where the charts are saved on your hard disk

> is " Data " . So, in whatever mail program you use, e.g., , you

> click " attach files " , and go to " browse " and the path where your

> charts will be located will be this: choose one after another -

> > C: [i.e. your local hard disk], then " Program Files "

> then " Jyotisha " then " Jagannatha Hora " then " Data " and then finally

> choose the chart you wish to send.

> >

> > Hope this is useful.

> >

> > PG

> >

> > --- On Tue, 11/18/08, jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

> >

> > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@>

> > Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to

> Narasimha and Rafal

> > sohamsa

> > Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 3:40 AM

> >

> > Dear Lakshmiji,

> >

> > I tried doing it(Sending from JHora), but it goes to Outlook, but

> > Outlook settings are not configured in my laptop. So I couldnt

send

> > it.

> > But I am really thankful and appreciate your concern.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Jyothi

> >

> > sohamsa , Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > As far as I remember,

> > > When you have your JH chart open ,

> > > go to " file " in JH tool bar,

> > > and scroll down untill you see,

> > > " send chart to someone else with JH software " Click.

> > > When you do that it will load the chart onto your default

mail

> > service.

> > > Another way to send charts,

> > > right click on the rasi chart and scroll to bottom of options,

> > > where there are several options for copying the chart,

> > > then you can paste it into an e-mail or on blank sheet,

> > > Best wishes

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:

> > > Dear Sanjayji,

> > >

> > > I never thought in that direction (Rahu being co-lord of 9th).

> > Thank

> > > you for pointing that out.

> > >

> > > I dont know how to attach the Jhd chart. I am not able to find

> any

> > > option to attach.

> > >

> > > I can give you my birth details.

> > >

> > > DOB: Oct 1, 1975

> > > TOB: 11.41 pm

> > > Place: Calicut, Kerala

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Jyothi

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jyoti

> > > >

> > > > You missed the fact of Rahu bring the co-lord of 9th house.

How

> > do

> > > you know

> > > > you have not missed something else? Please look again, else

> post

> > > your jhd

> > > > chart file (attachment) with reply

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > rath

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

> On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > > 14 November 2008 19:10

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters

> to

> > > Narasimha

> > > > and Rafal

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sanjayji,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry. Rahu in my chart is AmK and not AK, and no

obvious

> > > > relationship with AK.

> > > > Any way, now I know how to check for spiriual interests, so

> > whether

> > > > Rahu is AK or AmK in my chart does not matter.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Jyothi

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> > > 40> , " Sanjay

> > > > Rath " <sjrath@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyoti

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu is the dharmesha ..co-lord of 9th house and is in

> debility

> > > in

> > > > 6H thats

> > > > > why the desire to study spiritual subjects and acquire

> > > > spirituality/religion

> > > > > related knowledge. Its is not because Rahu is 6th house.

You

> > can

> > > > check

> > > > > charts of many with Rahu in 6H. I don't know details but

> > Rahu

> > > > should also be

> > > > > linked to a trine from AK or its 12H in navamsha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Scorpio is not mosha trine in 6H but a natural moksha trine

> as

> > > jala

> > > > rashi.

> > > > > That is not sufficient cause for it to give those results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%

> > > 40> ] On

> > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi

> > > > > 13 November 2008 14:17

> > > > > sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > Re: 6th house related to spiritual

matters

> > to

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > > and Rafal

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > >

> > > > > In my experience whenever I passed through Rahu Sub period,

> > (Rahu

> > > > in

> > > > > 6th(Scorpio)), there had been an irresistable urge to

pursue

> > > > > spiritual interests. May be because Scorpio is a Moksha

trine.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think if the 6th house falls in Moksha trine, 6th lord or

> > > planets

> > > > > posited in it can trigger spiritual interests. Dont know if

I

> > am

> > > > > right.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> > 40>

> > > > <sohamsa%40> ,

> > > > > " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > > > Dear Michal and Rafal.

> > > > > > Yes, everyone who takes birth in material world has to

> > > have 'sin'.

> > > > > > And every being has a chart and every chart has dustanas!

> > > > > > Funny isnt it?

> > > > > > So , from your points of view what happens with the 6th

> > > house,its

> > > > > occupants and its lord,

> > > > > > in the charts of pure devotees, and

> > incarnations/avataras?Is

> > > the

> > > > > 6th house ,etc an obstacle

> > > > > > for the pure ones?

> > > > > > Hope we are all on the same page by now.

> > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > I dont have JH uploaded on this computer but perhaps

> > someone

> > > who

> > > > > has data and time

> > > > > > frames for incidents in their lives can post details of

> > Lord

> > > > Rama,

> > > > > Sri Krishnas charts and let

> > > > > > us look at their 6th house and divine lila.Let us learn

> > > something.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ---

> >

November 19, 2008

Dear Sanjayji, Attached is my chart in jhd format. I feel now the mail thread has become obsolete as it took me so many days to find how to attach. Regards, Jyothi

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