Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Namaste, I sent prematurely. Let me make the last point I wanted to make. * * * Forget drigdasa. Even Narayana dasa of rasi chart is interesting. The Sg dasa ran from 1920 to 1930. Taking Sg as lagna, 9th house of guidance contains AK and BK and the 8th house is very strong with Mars, Saturn and nodal axis. This suggests that the native may do intense sadhana in this dasa. Though 8th house is important for sadhana, it is not necessary that every dasa based on the 8th house should show sadhana. One can focus on 8th house in other dasas such as Narayana dasa. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao sohamsa Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:49 AM Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) Namaste SS, Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola dasa sign as progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th or 2nd) is based on sound principles. * * * However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing spiritual progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When Parasara taught dasas, he only taught calculations and not judgment. But niryana shoola dasa is an exception. He talked about judgment as well. He specifically said "niryaanasya vichaaraartham", i.e. "for analyzing death", and gave a rule. He did NOT mention spiritual quest and progress. Sanjay ji made that suggestion without indicating whether the suggestion is based on a classic or teaching of his elders or his own observation. In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation between niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress. Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was a doctor who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India on a pilgrimage in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got initiated and then renounced the world. He spent a few years doing sadhana in a small hut infested by snakes and scorpions. This intense tapascharya culminated in a nirvikalpa samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to 1928. This is the dasa that brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual [non]experience. Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna have an aspect on Sg. Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note happening (along the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana shoola dasa when the most intense sadhana and/or the highest spiritual experiences came. * * * As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the soul's attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously for spiritual progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th house shows sadhana. There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for showing how sadhana progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana shoola dasa is the one. A dasa is defined not just by the starting point, but also by the way it progresses. This dasa may or may not be apt for seeing spiritual progress. * * * In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more interesting. Drigdasa of Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar drigdasa started that he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa totally transformed his life. If you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as progressed lagna, you may note that AK Sun and BK Mercury are in lagna and three planets, including natal 8th lord, are in the 12th house of moksha. * * * Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak wrote: Dear Narasimha/Rafal, Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa - viz. e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs, taking 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he gets Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher learning.May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some writings (A3 in 9th house). Best Regards,SS>>> Dear Rafal,>> >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress.>> >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa is of >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed lagna >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in 12th >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna lord and >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual life.>> >> Best regards,>> Narasimha>> >> sohamsa <sohamsa >, >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:>> >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*>> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar>> *>> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual progress was>> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have association>> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth and joining>> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality...maybe I have wrong>> definitins..but thats my anubhava.>> >> October 25, 1982>> Time: 19:35:30>> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)>> Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00">> >> Where I went wrong?>> *>> Regards,>> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher>> www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@>>>> Sanjay Rath pisze:>> >>> > Dear Arpad ji>> >>> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one point that>> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is>> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on meaning of the>> > bija and other such things **during the course of the sadhana** ...I>> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana Paramhamsa may>> > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain in great>> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which have so>> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has multiple>> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta. Its all>> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a flavour,>> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was in the>> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really not at>> > all necessary.>> >>> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when nothing>> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor** and **take>> > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much later, that it>> > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using warm water>> > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the nerves while>> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the weather.>> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much energy in>> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or disturbance to the>> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri but was>> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great Durga sadhaka>> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them).>> >>> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest and>> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the dasa rasi>> > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with the>> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when the >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara atmakaraka.>> >>> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath>> >>> > Maha Dasas:>> >>> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07>> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07>> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim graha bija)>> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara>> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as subhapati in>> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess>> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07>> > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha in the Sri>> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe -- this is>> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in which she>> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in chaste>> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I understood every>> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak in Puri.>> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked as I>> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I decided to>> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to see what was>> > transpiring.>> >>> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a barrier with God>> > and it answered my all time question -- What language is God going to>> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question from my>> > youth and was answered without even asking.>> >>> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07>> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change permanently. ..so>> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my major>> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure to come.>> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself.>> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08>> > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08>> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08>> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08>> >>> > Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Dear Narasimha, Though 8th hs is indicative of longevity/death, it is also a house of transformation, as you know. Transformation is death of what we were to what we beocme - like a caterpillar turns into a butterfly. If the NSD (Nirayana Shoola Dasa) is seen with this respect, then it may be that the person may undergo tremendous suffering in the period related to AK or Lg - and as Lakshmi said, the line has to be drawn between ordinary and advanced souls - different people may be experiencing the effect of transformation at different levels based on thier own level of spiritual awareness. Spiritually advanced souls are likely to take this as a call for harnessing these energies and transmute them into the next level of internal changes, while ordinary beings may just wonder about the turmoil they are going through. Well, anyways, only looking at more and more charts can tell whether NSD is applicable so. Best Regards, SS sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > I sent prematurely. > > Let me make the last point I wanted to make. > > * * * > > Forget drigdasa. Even Narayana dasa of rasi chart is interesting. The Sg dasa ran from 1920 to 1930. Taking Sg as lagna, 9th house of guidance contains AK and BK and the 8th house is very strong with Mars, Saturn and nodal axis. This suggests that the native may do intense sadhana in this dasa. > > Though 8th house is important for sadhana, it is not necessary that every dasa based on the 8th house should show sadhana. One can focus on 8th house in other dasas such as Narayana dasa. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > sohamsa > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:49 AM > Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) > > > Namaste SS, > > Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola dasa sign as progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th or 2nd) is based on sound principles. > > * * * > > However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing spiritual progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When Parasara taught dasas, he only taught calculations and not judgment. But niryana shoola dasa is an exception. He talked about judgment as well. He specifically said " niryaanasya vichaaraartham " , i.e. " for analyzing death " , and gave a rule. He did NOT mention spiritual quest and progress. Sanjay ji made that suggestion without indicating whether the suggestion is based on a classic or teaching of his elders or his own observation. > > In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation between niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress. > > Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was a doctor who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India on a pilgrimage in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got initiated and then renounced the world. He spent a few years doing sadhana in a small hut infested by snakes and scorpions. This intense tapascharya culminated in a nirvikalpa samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to 1928. This is the dasa that brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual [non]experience. > > Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna have an aspect on Sg. > > Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note happening (along the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana shoola dasa when the most intense sadhana and/or the highest spiritual experiences came. > > * * * > > As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the soul's attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously for spiritual progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th house shows sadhana. There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for showing how sadhana progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana shoola dasa is the one. A dasa is defined not just by the starting point, but also by the way it progresses. This dasa may or may not be apt for seeing spiritual progress. > > * * * > > In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more interesting. Drigdasa of Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar drigdasa started that he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa totally transformed his life. If you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as progressed lagna, you may note that AK Sun and BK Mercury are in lagna and three planets, including natal 8th lord, are in the 12th house of moksha. > > * * * > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal, > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa - viz. > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs, taking > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he gets > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher learning. > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some > writings (A3 in 9th house). > > Best Regards, > SS > > > >> Dear Rafal, > >> > >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress. > >> > >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa is of > >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed lagna > >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in 12th > >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna lord and > >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual life. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> sohamsa <sohamsa >, > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > >> > >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > >> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar > >> * > >> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual progress was > >> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have association > >> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth and joining > >> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality...maybe I have wrong > >> definitins..but thats my anubhava. > >> > >> October 25, 1982 > >> Time: 19:35:30 > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT) > >> Place: 18 E 41' 00 " , 50 N 13' 00 " > >> > >> Where I went wrong? > >> * > >> Regards, > >> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > >> www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > >> > >> Sanjay Rath pisze: > >> > > >> > Dear Arpad ji > >> > > >> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one point that > >> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is > >> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on meaning of the > >> > bija and other such things **during the course of the sadhana** ...I > >> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana Paramhamsa may > >> > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain in great > >> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which have so > >> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has multiple > >> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta. Its all > >> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a flavour, > >> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was in the > >> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really not at > >> > all necessary. > >> > > >> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when nothing > >> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor** and **take > >> > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much later, that it > >> > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using warm water > >> > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the nerves while > >> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the weather. > >> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much energy in > >> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or disturbance to the > >> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri but was > >> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great Durga sadhaka > >> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them). > >> > > >> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest and > >> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the dasa rasi > >> > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with the > >> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when the > >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara atmakaraka. > >> > > >> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath > >> > > >> > Maha Dasas: > >> > > >> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07 > >> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07 > >> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim graha bija) > >> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara > >> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as subhapati in > >> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess > >> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07 > >> > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha in the Sri > >> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe -- this is > >> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in which she > >> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in chaste > >> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I understood every > >> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak in Puri. > >> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked as I > >> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I decided to > >> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to see what was > >> > transpiring. > >> > > >> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a barrier with God > >> > and it answered my all time question -- What language is God going to > >> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question from my > >> > youth and was answered without even asking. > >> > > >> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07 > >> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change permanently. ..so > >> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my major > >> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure to come. > >> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself. > >> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08 > >> > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08 > >> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08 > >> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08 > >> > > >> > Sanjay Rath > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaskar This Sanjayji rule must work, but we just overlook something or are uninformed about the full concept of reading this dasa. Questioning the statements of Parampara can be appreciated in western culture and science but for branch of Vedanga its just devastating. For example my Vrscika lord is ishta deva and its yuti Karakaamsa so its quallified to provide vijnana in that time. Whilst Libra is yuti Brahma (6L from Karakalagna) and Guru AK is weak to provide atmajnana due to weakness of soul (brahma). That is one way out of this predicament.. Regards, Rafal Gendarz ----------------------------- http://rohinaa.com rafal Soul Sadhak pisze: Dear Narasimha, Though 8th hs is indicative of longevity/death, it is also a house of transformation, as you know. Transformation is death of what we were to what we beocme - like a caterpillar turns into a butterfly. If the NSD (Nirayana Shoola Dasa) is seen with this respect, then it may be that the person may undergo tremendous suffering in the period related to AK or Lg - and as Lakshmi said, the line has to be drawn between ordinary and advanced souls - different people may be experiencing the effect of transformation at different levels based on thier own level of spiritual awareness. Spiritually advanced souls are likely to take this as a call for harnessing these energies and transmute them into the next level of internal changes, while ordinary beings may just wonder about the turmoil they are going through. Well, anyways, only looking at more and more charts can tell whether NSD is applicable so. Best Regards, SS sohamsa@ .com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > I sent prematurely. > > Let me make the last point I wanted to make. > > * * * > > Forget drigdasa. Even Narayana dasa of rasi chart is interesting. The Sg dasa ran from 1920 to 1930. Taking Sg as lagna, 9th house of guidance contains AK and BK and the 8th house is very strong with Mars, Saturn and nodal axis. This suggests that the native may do intense sadhana in this dasa. > > Though 8th house is important for sadhana, it is not necessary that every dasa based on the 8th house should show sadhana. One can focus on 8th house in other dasas such as Narayana dasa. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:49 AM > Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) > > > Namaste SS, > > Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola dasa sign as progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th or 2nd) is based on sound principles. > > * * * > > However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing spiritual progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When Parasara taught dasas, he only taught calculations and not judgment. But niryana shoola dasa is an exception. He talked about judgment as well. He specifically said "niryaanasya vichaaraartham" , i.e. "for analyzing death", and gave a rule. He did NOT mention spiritual quest and progress. Sanjay ji made that suggestion without indicating whether the suggestion is based on a classic or teaching of his elders or his own observation. > > In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation between niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress. > > Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was a doctor who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India on a pilgrimage in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got initiated and then renounced the world. He spent a few years doing sadhana in a small hut infested by snakes and scorpions. This intense tapascharya culminated in a nirvikalpa samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to 1928. This is the dasa that brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual [non]experience. > > Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna have an aspect on Sg. > > Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note happening (along the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana shoola dasa when the most intense sadhana and/or the highest spiritual experiences came. > > * * * > > As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the soul's attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously for spiritual progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th house shows sadhana. There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for showing how sadhana progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana shoola dasa is the one. A dasa is defined not just by the starting point, but also by the way it progresses. This dasa may or may not be apt for seeing spiritual progress. > > * * * > > In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more interesting. Drigdasa of Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar drigdasa started that he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa totally transformed his life. If you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as progressed lagna, you may note that AK Sun and BK Mercury are in lagna and three planets, including natal 8th lord, are in the 12th house of moksha. > > * * * > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > sohamsa@ .com, "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ > wrote: > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal, > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa - viz. > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs, taking > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he gets > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher learning. > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some > writings (A3 in 9th house). > > Best Regards, > SS > > > >> Dear Rafal, > >> > >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress. > >> > >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa is of > >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed lagna > >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in 12th > >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna lord and > >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual life. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com>, > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote: > >> > >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > >> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar > >> * > >> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual progress was > >> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have association > >> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth and joining > >> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality. ...maybe I have wrong > >> definitins.. but thats my anubhava. > >> > >> October 25, 1982 > >> Time: 19:35:30 > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT) > >> Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00" > >> > >> Where I went wrong? > >> * > >> Regards, > >> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > >> www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@ > >> > >> Sanjay Rath pisze: > >> > > >> > Dear Arpad ji > >> > > >> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one point that > >> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is > >> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on meaning of the > >> > bija and other such things **during the course of the sadhana** ...I > >> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana Paramhamsa may > >> > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain in great > >> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which have so > >> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has multiple > >> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta. Its all > >> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a flavour, > >> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was in the > >> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really not at > >> > all necessary. > >> > > >> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when nothing > >> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor** and **take > >> > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much later, that it > >> > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using warm water > >> > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the nerves while > >> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the weather. > >> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much energy in > >> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or disturbance to the > >> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri but was > >> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great Durga sadhaka > >> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them). > >> > > >> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest and > >> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the dasa rasi > >> > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with the > >> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when the > >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara atmakaraka. > >> > > >> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath > >> > > >> > Maha Dasas: > >> > > >> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07 > >> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07 > >> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim graha bija) > >> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara > >> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as subhapati in > >> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess > >> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07 > >> > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha in the Sri > >> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe -- this is > >> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in which she > >> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in chaste > >> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I understood every > >> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak in Puri. > >> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked as I > >> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I decided to > >> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to see what was > >> > transpiring. > >> > > >> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a barrier with God > >> > and it answered my all time question -- What language is God going to > >> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question from my > >> > youth and was answered without even asking. > >> > > >> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07 > >> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change permanently. ..so > >> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my major > >> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure to come. > >> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself. > >> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08 > >> > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08 > >> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08 > >> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08 > >> > > >> > Sanjay Rath > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1783 - Release 2008-11-12 10:01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas and Narasimhaji, Can it be possible that Swami Shivananda had a spiritual progress made back in Libra dasa itself('04 to '11), when progressed 8th house was over Ak Moon?. I was thinking that maybe one could still linger around for some time after get certain spiritual direction and then get the Guru/Sanyasa at a later time?From his autobiography, " The Magazine(Ambrosia) quickly gained popularity soon after its inception in 1909. Distinguished contributors started contributing for it. Once my mother wanted to celebrate some festival and was in need of about one hundred and fifty rupees to meet the expenses. I was ready with this sum. The "Ambrosia" journal was successfully run for four years until I sailed for Malaya. It was of demi-quarto size, thirty-two pages each issue, and was quite beautifully got up. The material that its contents presented to the reader every month was attractive and highly useful to all medical practitioners. A significant spiritual touch could be felt in the pages of the "Ambrosia." Unlike other medical journals, the entire outlook was based on the teachings of the sages of yore. Spirituality was ingrained in me even in my youth. " Moon stands for " Soma " the magazine is called " Ambrosia " . This happens during the 8th house transit (NSDasa) over Moon. Of course during the same time Narayana dasa was also of Libra. So this can be explained using Narayana dasa also Basically, My idea was just that why to look for some other 8th house dasa?, Maybe I can try things out using this NSDasa itself to see if it works. Another point I had in mind was that , Spiritual inclination can start much earlier than when we meet Guru is was my opinion. In my own example during Cancer dasa (Progressed 8th house in Capricorn) was terrible financially and mentally, But it made me think about higher powers, destiny and divinity. But I started some normal sadhana like regular worship etc only much later. The driving force is still my experiences in Cancer dasa. Hopefully I have given my humble opinion on this. With Warm Regards and namaskaarams,Sanjay Po<-< Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Maha Dasas: Le: 1887-09-08 (4:16:00 am) - 1895-09-08 (5:21:28 am) Vi: 1895-09-08 (5:21:28 am) - 1904-09-08 (12:49:48 pm) Li: 1904-09-08 (12:49:48 pm) - 1911-09-09 (7:47:52 am) Sc: 1911-09-09 (7:47:52 am) - 1919-09-09 (8:57:50 am) Sg: 1919-09-09 (8:57:50 am) - 1928-09-08 (4:25:31 pm) Cp: 1928-09-08 (4:25:31 pm) - 1935-09-09 (11:26:07 am) Aq: 1935-09-09 (11:26:07 am) - 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) Pi: 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) - 1952-09-08 (8:05:35 pm) Ar: 1952-09-08 (8:05:35 pm) - 1959-09-09 (3:00:29 pm) Ta: 1959-09-09 (3:00:29 pm) - 1967-09-09 (4:11:39 pm) Ge: 1967-09-09 (4:11:39 pm) - 1976-09-08 (11:37:36 pm) Cn: 1976-09-08 (11:37:36 pm) - 1983-09-09 (6:41:50 pm)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sivananda His Autobiography http://dlshq.org/download/autobio.htmNarayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa): Maha Dasas: Cn: 1887-09-08 (4:16:00 am) - 1890-09-07 (10:43:56 pm) Le: 1890-09-07 (10:43:56 pm) - 1902-09-09 (12:21:34 am) Vi: 1902-09-09 (12:21:34 am) - 1903-09-09 (6:36:00 am) Li: 1903-09-09 (6:36:00 am) - 1913-09-08 (8:02:40 pm) Sc: 1913-09-08 (8:02:40 pm) - 1920-09-08 (3:15:29 pm) Sg: 1920-09-08 (3:15:29 pm) - 1930-09-09 (4:37:15 am) Cp: 1930-09-09 (4:37:15 am) - 1936-09-08 (5:43:28 pm) Aq: 1936-09-08 (5:43:28 pm) - 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) Pi: 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) - 1948-09-08 (7:24:45 pm) Ar: 1948-09-08 (7:24:45 pm) - 1950-09-09 (7:39:14 am) Ta: 1950-09-09 (7:39:14 am) - 1953-09-09 (2:06:09 am) Ge: 1953-09-09 (2:06:09 am) - 1955-09-09 (2:28:06 pm) Cn: 1955-09-09 (2:28:06 pm) - 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) Le: 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) - 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) Vi: 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) - 1975-09-09 (5:22:17 pm) Li: 1975-09-09 (5:22:17 pm) - 1977-09-09 (5:42:27 am) Sc: 1977-09-09 (5:42:27 am) - 1982-09-09 (12:33:34 pm) Sg: 1982-09-09 (12:33:34 pm) - 1984-09-09 (12:54:37 am) Cp: 1984-09-09 (12:54:37 am) - 1990-09-09 (1:38:08 pm) Aq: 1990-09-09 (1:38:08 pm) - 1995-09-09 (8:31:10 pm) Pi: 1995-09-09 (8:31:10 pm) - 2002-09-09 (3:26:31 pm) Ar: 2002-09-09 (3:26:31 pm) - 2012-09-09 (5:05:33 am) Ta: 2012-09-09 (5:05:33 am) - 2021-09-09 (12:22:18 pm) Ge: 2021-09-09 (12:22:18 pm) - 2031-09-10 (1:59:56 am)2008/11/12 Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Namaste SS, Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola dasa sign as progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th or 2nd) is based on sound principles. * * * However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing spiritual progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When Parasara taught dasas, he only taught calculations and not judgment. But niryana shoola dasa is an exception. He talked about judgment as well. He specifically said " niryaanasya vichaaraartham " , i.e. " for analyzing death " , and gave a rule. He did NOT mention spiritual quest and progress. Sanjay ji made that suggestion without indicating whether the suggestion is based on a classic or teaching of his elders or his own observation. In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation between niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress. Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was a doctor who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India on a pilgrimage in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got initiated and then renounced the world. He spent a few years doing sadhana in a small hut infested by snakes and scorpions. This intense tapascharya culminated in a nirvikalpa samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to 1928. This is the dasa that brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual [non]experience. Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna have an aspect on Sg. Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note happening (along the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana shoola dasa when the most intense sadhana and/or the highest spiritual experiences came. * * * As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the soul's attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously for spiritual progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th house shows sadhana. There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for showing how sadhana progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana shoola dasa is the one. A dasa is defined not just by the starting point, but also by the way it progresses. This dasa may or may not be apt for seeing spiritual progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar Here in fifth/tula we have big predicament.. Shukra and Guru are cursed, Shukra is combusted..its combustion leads to ending the pravrajayoga in years of 23/24 - which was the fact. Guru is weak and its 6L from its position being also brahma and dont have any drsti of a5 or its lord. Now its Shani-Shukra Moola dasa. Both connected to curse and its spiritual weakness. Shukra is 7L with badhakesh from Shastyaamsa giving some weakness coming from relationships. Being in 2 from AL with Guru gives definitely kama-nija-dosha. To overcome this we must strengthen the Surya to decrease Shani and Shukra effect. Surya being PD and DD can indicate Matangi or Sri Rama. Dhanus antardasa was however weak spiritually and its also have the same Ma/Ke, but doesnt have the influence of A5 - does gives the difference or some position between MD and AD? In other case why Sc Mahadasa was good and Sg AD doesnt provide the similar fruits. CP was much better when I was inspired by Jaimini course to dwell into sadhana more. It has lord of A5, eight bhava and 4 from Karaka Lagna housing the 4L from Karakaamsa. Is it close to what you have suggesting? Regards, Rafal Gendarz ----------------------------- http://rohinaa.com rafal Sanjay Rath pisze: Dear Rafal Thats a nice beginning and well discussed, now go on and finish the entire writing about your Niryana shula dasha. Analyse Nija dosha and bring out very clearly how Krishna helped you to overcome so much dosha in the Vrschika dasha (see my another mail). Then go to Tula see the deb Sun, exalted Sat and all those jokers afflicting mantresa and see the obstacles. Question is how to overcome these...and also question is *is any ija dosha being cleansed during this dasa?* Examine this very carefully. Then take this to another level by checking the mula dasha and the experiences of curses by joining the two Best wishes Sanjay Rath sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 12 November 2008 22:31 sohamsa@ .com Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaskar This Sanjayji rule must work, but we just overlook something or are uninformed about the full concept of reading this dasa. Questioning the statements of Parampara can be appreciated in western culture and science but for branch of Vedanga its just devastating. For example my Vrscika lord is ishta deva and its yuti Karakaamsa so its quallified to provide vijnana in that time. Whilst Libra is yuti Brahma (6L from Karakalagna) and Guru AK is weak to provide atmajnana due to weakness of soul (brahma). That is one way out of this predicament. . Regards, Rafal Gendarz ------------ --------- -------- http://rohinaa. com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Soul Sadhak pisze: Dear Narasimha, Though 8th hs is indicative of longevity/death, it is also a house of transformation, as you know. Transformation is death of what we were to what we beocme - like a caterpillar turns into a butterfly. If the NSD (Nirayana Shoola Dasa) is seen with this respect, then it may be that the person may undergo tremendous suffering in the period related to AK or Lg - and as Lakshmi said, the line has to be drawn between ordinary and advanced souls - different people may be experiencing the effect of transformation at different levels based on thier own level of spiritual awareness. Spiritually advanced souls are likely to take this as a call for harnessing these energies and transmute them into the next level of internal changes, while ordinary beings may just wonder about the turmoil they are going through. Well, anyways, only looking at more and more charts can tell whether NSD is applicable so. Best Regards, SS sohamsa@ .com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > I sent prematurely. > > Let me make the last point I wanted to make. > > * * * > > Forget drigdasa. Even Narayana dasa of rasi chart is interesting. The Sg dasa ran from 1920 to 1930. Taking Sg as lagna, 9th house of guidance contains AK and BK and the 8th house is very strong with Mars, Saturn and nodal axis. This suggests that the native may do intense sadhana in this dasa. > > Though 8th house is important for sadhana, it is not necessary that every dasa based on the 8th house should show sadhana. One can focus on 8th house in other dasas such as Narayana dasa. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > sohamsa@ .com > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:49 AM > Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) > > > Namaste SS, > > Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola dasa sign as progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th or 2nd) is based on sound principles. > > * * * > > However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing spiritual progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When Parasara taught dasas, he only taught calculations and not judgment. But niryana shoola dasa is an exception. He talked about judgment as well. He specifically said "niryaanasya vichaaraartham" , i.e. "for analyzing death", and gave a rule. He did NOT mention spiritual quest and progress. Sanjay ji made that suggestion without indicating whether the suggestion is based on a classic or teaching of his elders or his own observation. > > In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation between niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress. > > Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was a doctor who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India on a pilgrimage in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got initiated and then renounced the world. He spent a few years doing sadhana in a small hut infested by snakes and scorpions. This intense tapascharya culminated in a nirvikalpa samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to 1928. This is the dasa that brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual [non]experience. > > Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna have an aspect on Sg. > > Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note happening (along the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana shoola dasa when the most intense sadhana and/or the highest spiritual experiences came. > > * * * > > As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the soul's attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously for spiritual progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th house shows sadhana. There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for showing how sadhana progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana shoola dasa is the one. A dasa is defined not just by the starting point, but also by the way it progresses. This dasa may or may not be apt for seeing spiritual progress. > > * * * > > In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more interesting. Drigdasa of Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar drigdasa started that he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa totally transformed his life. If you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as progressed lagna, you may note that AK Sun and BK Mercury are in lagna and three planets, including natal 8th lord, are in the 12th house of moksha. > > * * * > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > sohamsa@ .com, "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ > wrote: > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal, > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa - viz. > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs, taking > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he gets > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher learning. > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some > writings (A3 in 9th house). > > Best Regards, > SS > > > >> Dear Rafal, > >> > >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress. > >> > >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa is of > >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed lagna > >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in 12th > >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna lord and > >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual life. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Narasimha > >> > >> sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa@ .com>, > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote: > >> > >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > >> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar > >> * > >> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual progress was > >> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have association > >> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth and joining > >> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality. ...maybe I have wrong > >> definitins.. but thats my anubhava. > >> > >> October 25, 1982 > >> Time: 19:35:30 > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT) > >> Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00" > >> > >> Where I went wrong? > >> * > >> Regards, > >> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > >> www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@ > >> > >> Sanjay Rath pisze: > >> > > >> > Dear Arpad ji > >> > > >> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one point that > >> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is > >> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on meaning of the > >> > bija and other such things **during the course of the sadhana** ...I > >> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana Paramhamsa may > >> > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain in great > >> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which have so > >> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has multiple > >> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta. Its all > >> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a flavour, > >> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was in the > >> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really not at > >> > all necessary. > >> > > >> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when nothing > >> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor** and **take > >> > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much later, that it > >> > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using warm water > >> > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the nerves while > >> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the weather. > >> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much energy in > >> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or disturbance to the > >> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri but was > >> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great Durga sadhaka > >> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them). > >> > > >> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest and > >> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the dasa rasi > >> > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with the > >> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when the > >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara atmakaraka. > >> > > >> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath > >> > > >> > Maha Dasas: > >> > > >> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07 > >> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07 > >> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim graha bija) > >> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara > >> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as subhapati in > >> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess > >> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07 > >> > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha in the Sri > >> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe -- this is > >> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in which she > >> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in chaste > >> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I understood every > >> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak in Puri. > >> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked as I > >> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I decided to > >> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to see what was > >> > transpiring. > >> > > >> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a barrier with God > >> > and it answered my all time question -- What language is God going to > >> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question from my > >> > youth and was answered without even asking. > >> > > >> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07 > >> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change permanently. ..so > >> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my major > >> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure to come. > >> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself. > >> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08 > >> > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08 > >> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08 > >> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08 > >> > > >> > Sanjay Rath > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1783 - Release 2008-11-12 10:01 Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1784 - Release 2008-11-12 19:01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Dear Rafal Comments below your writing. SS has made a very good and dispassionate analysis. You need to focus your meditation in the *feet of Sri Krishna* with the *hrauM* bija ...jyotirmantra (you know this). That should help you to become more dispassionate about your own chart. This is a very good for you in the present stage. I will explain later why. Then try replying to SS. He has some very brilliant questions which are in the form of excellent discussions. sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 13 November 2008 17:39 sohamsa Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar Here in fifth/tula we have big predicament.. Shukra and Guru are cursed, Shukra is combusted..its combustion leads to ending the pravrajayoga in years of 23/24 - which was the fact. Guru is weak and its 6L from its position being also brahma and dont have any drsti of a5 or its lord. [sanjay Rath:] Both cannot be cursed. One is – find out which one is the greater benefic and more afflicted. I will say it is Venus as it is mantresa 5th lord which is the best benefic of the chart. Jupiter is also badhakesha and is less benefic then Venus. So it is Jup curse and the curse is actually a blessing after the obstacles are overcome (just as Sri Rama chart). Therefore in this dasa you have to be punished for the nija dosha associated with the curse. The other point about celibacy should not be seen from this chart. You can never use that information to make a prediction about celibacy. Use the Somanath Drekkana as I taught in the east coast. Rahu is the lord of 8H in your somanath drekkana and is in 2nd house. So its dasha is very good for celibacy. However in Ketu antardasa this broke as Ketu is in sign of Venus in D3 (SN) and then Venus is in 7H in that chart. The next antardasa also promises lots of celibacy breaking!!! The punishment is for the ahamkara you developed that you were *pure*. Ahamkara is the deb Sun and Nija dosha is the Saturn. AK jup conjoins to confirm the curse is complete. When you overcome the blemish of ahamkara your relationship will be good and you will not feel guilty about celibacy breaking, will humbly accept the power of the graha and then they will let you be. Do as I said *hrauM* at the feet of Krishna and the Sun will come out of debility. Now its Shani-Shukra Moola dasa. Both connected to curse and its spiritual weakness. Shukra is 7L with badhakesh from Shastyaamsa giving some weakness coming from relationships. Being in 2 from AL with Guru gives definitely kama-nija-dosha. [sanjay Rath:] No comments on this as you are actually not looking at the soul level changes. How is this affecting you internally? Are you maturing and accepting others? Are you being less judgmental about others? If so then the curse intensity is coming down. To overcome this we must strengthen the Surya to decrease Shani and Shukra effect. Surya being PD and DD can indicate Matangi or Sri Rama. [sanjay Rath:] How is Sun connected to 4H in navamsha or from 4H in Karakamsha ?? Just rashi dristi to 4H in D9!!? There is no connection at all. Matangi Mahavidya will give other knowledge but will not alleviate this issue of the curse. Sun is dharma devata and is Vishnu rupa...so the feet of Krishna as I suggested. Dhanus antardasa was however weak spiritually and its also have the same Ma/Ke, but doesnt have the influence of A5 - does gives the difference or some position between MD and AD? In other case why Sc Mahadasa was good and Sg AD doesnt provide the similar fruits. [sanjay Rath:] The graha are unable to push your intelligence as the lord of the sign is not aspecting the lagna. Thats why your logic is blocking the effects of the graha. It is the weight of the karma/curse that is manifesting as nija dosha of last life. You have to teach for Tula dasha to overcome this completely and also think about what to do for Venus. Write to me privately. The curse will go in 4 stages – Sun, Sat, Jup and Venus ....then you are free. Don’t worry just keep walking the mantra path. CP was much better when I was inspired by Jaimini course to dwell into sadhana more. It has lord of A5, eight bhava and 4 from Karaka Lagna housing the 4L from Karakaamsa. [sanjay Rath:] Good you are getting the grasp of the dasha and also realising the *importance of mantrapada*. Is it close to what you have suggesting? Regards, Rafal Gendarz ----------------------------- http://rohinaa.com rafal Sanjay Rath pisze: Dear Rafal Thats a nice beginning and well discussed, now go on and finish the entire writing about your Niryana shula dasha. Analyse Nija dosha and bring out very clearly how Krishna helped you to overcome so much dosha in the Vrschika dasha (see my another mail). Then go to Tula see the deb Sun, exalted Sat and all those jokers afflicting mantresa and see the obstacles. Question is how to overcome these...and also question is *is any ija dosha being cleansed during this dasa?* Examine this very carefully. Then take this to another level by checking the mula dasha and the experiences of curses by joining the two Best wishes Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Dear Sanjay P, CP dasha of yours aspects the lagna ...so it made you think. Made you think a lot (I can recall how much you thought : can’t forget that J ]. You got a point though about the Rudra and you should have used the words *Prani and Aprani Rudra* to be very specific. Well thats another thing altogether. Lets just stick to one point of the progressed NSDasa for now. Thats an excellent point about Ambroisa. How is this related to *nija dosha and punishment?*. Maybe you can argue that Sivananda Maharaj fest punished and hence was seeking Ambroisa...or some such thing. I don;t know. I wouldn’t look for an explanation for this using NSDasa. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran 13 November 2008 12:50 sohamsa Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Jyotishas and Narasimhaji, Can it be possible that Swami Shivananda had a spiritual progress made back in Libra dasa itself('04 to '11), when progressed 8th house was over Ak Moon?. I was thinking that maybe one could still linger around for some time after get certain spiritual direction and then get the Guru/Sanyasa at a later time? From his autobiography, " The Magazine(Ambrosia) quickly gained popularity soon after its inception in 1909. Distinguished contributors started contributing for it. Once my mother wanted to celebrate some festival and was in need of about one hundred and fifty rupees to meet the expenses. I was ready with this sum. The " Ambrosia " journal was successfully run for four years until I sailed for Malaya. It was of demi-quarto size, thirty-two pages each issue, and was quite beautifully got up. The material that its contents presented to the reader every month was attractive and highly useful to all medical practitioners. A significant spiritual touch could be felt in the pages of the " Ambrosia. " Unlike other medical journals, the entire outlook was based on the teachings of the sages of yore. Spirituality was ingrained in me even in my youth. " Moon stands for " Soma " the magazine is called " Ambrosia " . This happens during the 8th house transit (NSDasa) over Moon. Of course during the same time Narayana dasa was also of Libra. So this can be explained using Narayana dasa also Basically, My idea was just that why to look for some other 8th house dasa?, Maybe I can try things out using this NSDasa itself to see if it works. Another point I had in mind was that , Spiritual inclination can start much earlier than when we meet Guru is was my opinion. In my own example during Cancer dasa (Progressed 8th house in Capricorn) was terrible financially and mentally, But it made me think about higher powers, destiny and divinity. But I started some normal sadhana like regular worship etc only much later. The driving force is still my experiences in Cancer dasa. Hopefully I have given my humble opinion on this. With Warm Regards and namaskaarams, Sanjay P o<-< Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Maha Dasas: Le: 1887-09-08 (4:16:00 am) - 1895-09-08 (5:21:28 am) Vi: 1895-09-08 (5:21:28 am) - 1904-09-08 (12:49:48 pm) Li: 1904-09-08 (12:49:48 pm) - 1911-09-09 (7:47:52 am) Sc: 1911-09-09 (7:47:52 am) - 1919-09-09 (8:57:50 am) Sg: 1919-09-09 (8:57:50 am) - 1928-09-08 (4:25:31 pm) Cp: 1928-09-08 (4:25:31 pm) - 1935-09-09 (11:26:07 am) Aq: 1935-09-09 (11:26:07 am) - 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) Pi: 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) - 1952-09-08 (8:05:35 pm) Ar: 1952-09-08 (8:05:35 pm) - 1959-09-09 (3:00:29 pm) Ta: 1959-09-09 (3:00:29 pm) - 1967-09-09 (4:11:39 pm) Ge: 1967-09-09 (4:11:39 pm) - 1976-09-08 (11:37:36 pm) Cn: 1976-09-08 (11:37:36 pm) - 1983-09-09 (6:41:50 pm) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sivananda His Autobiography http://dlshq.org/download/autobio.htm Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa): Maha Dasas: Cn: 1887-09-08 (4:16:00 am) - 1890-09-07 (10:43:56 pm) Le: 1890-09-07 (10:43:56 pm) - 1902-09-09 (12:21:34 am) Vi: 1902-09-09 (12:21:34 am) - 1903-09-09 (6:36:00 am) Li: 1903-09-09 (6:36:00 am) - 1913-09-08 (8:02:40 pm) Sc: 1913-09-08 (8:02:40 pm) - 1920-09-08 (3:15:29 pm) Sg: 1920-09-08 (3:15:29 pm) - 1930-09-09 (4:37:15 am) Cp: 1930-09-09 (4:37:15 am) - 1936-09-08 (5:43:28 pm) Aq: 1936-09-08 (5:43:28 pm) - 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) Pi: 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) - 1948-09-08 (7:24:45 pm) Ar: 1948-09-08 (7:24:45 pm) - 1950-09-09 (7:39:14 am) Ta: 1950-09-09 (7:39:14 am) - 1953-09-09 (2:06:09 am) Ge: 1953-09-09 (2:06:09 am) - 1955-09-09 (2:28:06 pm) Cn: 1955-09-09 (2:28:06 pm) - 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) Le: 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) - 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) Vi: 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) - 1975-09-09 (5:22:17 pm) Li: 1975-09-09 (5:22:17 pm) - 1977-09-09 (5:42:27 am) Sc: 1977-09-09 (5:42:27 am) - 1982-09-09 (12:33:34 pm) Sg: 1982-09-09 (12:33:34 pm) - 1984-09-09 (12:54:37 am) Cp: 1984-09-09 (12:54:37 am) - 1990-09-09 (1:38:08 pm) Aq: 1990-09-09 (1:38:08 pm) - 1995-09-09 (8:31:10 pm) Pi: 1995-09-09 (8:31:10 pm) - 2002-09-09 (3:26:31 pm) Ar: 2002-09-09 (3:26:31 pm) - 2012-09-09 (5:05:33 am) Ta: 2012-09-09 (5:05:33 am) - 2021-09-09 (12:22:18 pm) Ge: 2021-09-09 (12:22:18 pm) - 2031-09-10 (1:59:56 am) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar Thank you. Comments below. Regards, Rafal Gendarz ----------------------------- http://rohinaa.com rafal Sanjay Rath pisze: Dear Rafal Comments below your writing. SS has made a very good and dispassionate analysis. You need to focus your meditation in the *feet of Sri Krishna* with the *hrauM* bija ...jyotirmantra (you know this). That should help you to become more dispassionate about your own chart. This is a very good for you in the present stage. I will explain later why. Then try replying to SS. He has some very brilliant questions which are in the form of excellent discussions. sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 13 November 2008 17:39 sohamsa@ .com Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) om namo bhagavate narasimhaya Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar Here in fifth/tula we have big predicament. . Shukra and Guru are cursed, Shukra is combusted..its combustion leads to ending the pravrajayoga in years of 23/24 - which was the fact. Guru is weak and its 6L from its position being also brahma and dont have any drsti of a5 or its lord. [sanjay Rath:] Both cannot be cursed. One is – find out which one is the greater benefic and more afflicted. I will say it is Venus as it is mantresa 5th lord which is the best benefic of the chart. Jupiter is also badhakesha and is less benefic then Venus. So it is Jup curse and the curse is actually a blessing after the obstacles are overcome (just as Sri Rama chart). [rafal] to get it clear..you mean finally its Shukra curse right ? Becuase then you say its Guru curse. b) why its finally blessing ? because its AK, and the lesson will be digested? Therefore in this dasa you have to be punished for the nija dosha associated with the curse. The other point about celibacy should not be seen from this chart. You can never use that information to make a prediction about celibacy. Use the Somanath Drekkana as I taught in the east coast. Rahu is the lord of 8H in your somanath drekkana and is in 2nd house. So its dasha is very good for celibacy. [rafal] why not use Utpanna Vimshottari? then its Budha-Shani. Shani is 2L from Shukra which shows braeakage of celibacy which was fact. However in Ketu antardasa this broke as Ketu is in sign of Venus in D3 (SN) and then Venus is in 7H in that chart. The next antardasa also promises lots of celibacy breaking!!! [rafal] i know that 2H from Shukra breaks celibacy and 2H from Lagna keep it. How to deal about planets which are not connected to these points ? Argala? Rasi dristi? The punishment is for the ahamkara you developed that you were *pure*. Ahamkara is the deb Sun and Nija dosha is the Saturn. AK jup conjoins to confirm the curse is complete. When you overcome the blemish of ahamkara your relationship will be good and you will not feel guilty about celibacy breaking, will humbly accept the power of the graha and then they will let you be. Do as I said *hrauM* at the feet of Krishna and the Sun will come out of debility. [rafal] here I will write privately. Now its Shani-Shukra Moola dasa. Both connected to curse and its spiritual weakness. Shukra is 7L with badhakesh from Shastyaamsa giving some weakness coming from relationships. Being in 2 from AL with Guru gives definitely kama-nija-dosha. [sanjay Rath:] No comments on this as you are actually not looking at the soul level changes. How is this affecting you internally? Are you maturing and accepting others? Are you being less judgmental about others? If so then the curse intensity is coming down. [rafal] i am accepting others, just high demands for oneself. the intuition about sex life comes from my experience, maybe Ju AK is in MKS from A7, whenever A7 comes the atmajnana goes..therefore restricting myself in that area I found satisfied..but its hard with sarpa yoga. therefore in the past I needed mantra from you.. To overcome this we must strengthen the Surya to decrease Shani and Shukra effect. Surya being PD and DD can indicate Matangi or Sri Rama. [sanjay Rath:] How is Sun connected to 4H in navamsha or from 4H in Karakamsha ?? Just rashi dristi to 4H in D9!!? There is no connection at all. Matangi Mahavidya will give other knowledge but will not alleviate this issue of the curse. Sun is dharma devata and is Vishnu rupa...so the feet of Krishna as I suggested. [rafal] My logic was that if I want to strength the Surya then I must appeal to Deva who is controling this part of karma. Surya being in sixth from AmK indicates Matangi.. If you indicate Surya then why not Rama? Why Krishna? Dhanus antardasa was however weak spiritually and its also have the same Ma/Ke, but doesnt have the influence of A5 - does gives the difference or some position between MD and AD? In other case why Sc Mahadasa was good and Sg AD doesnt provide the similar fruits. [sanjay Rath:] The graha are unable to push your intelligence as the lord of the sign is not aspecting the lagna. Thats why your logic is blocking the effects of the graha. It is the weight of the karma/curse that is manifesting as nija dosha of last life. You have to teach for Tula dasha to overcome this completely and also think about what to do for Venus. Write to me privately. The curse will go in 4 stages – Sun, Sat, Jup and Venus ....then you are free. Don’t worry just keep walking the mantra path. [rafal] Why this order - Su, Sa, Ju, Ve? From worst to most beneficial? CP was much better when I was inspired by Jaimini course to dwell into sadhana more. It has lord of A5, eight bhava and 4 from Karaka Lagna housing the 4L from Karakaamsa. [sanjay Rath:] Good you are getting the grasp of the dasha and also realising the *importance of mantrapada*. Is it close to what you have suggesting? Regards, Rafal Gendarz ------------ --------- -------- http://rohinaa. com rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Sanjay Rath pisze: Dear Rafal Thats a nice beginning and well discussed, now go on and finish the entire writing about your Niryana shula dasha. Analyse Nija dosha and bring out very clearly how Krishna helped you to overcome so much dosha in the Vrschika dasha (see my another mail). Then go to Tula see the deb Sun, exalted Sat and all those jokers afflicting mantresa and see the obstacles. Question is how to overcome these...and also question is *is any ija dosha being cleansed during this dasa?* Examine this very carefully. Then take this to another level by checking the mula dasha and the experiences of curses by joining the two Best wishes Sanjay Rath Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1784 - Release 2008-11-12 19:01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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