Desa-kaala-paatra (6th house related to spiritual...)

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Dear Rafal,

 

It is not that bhava changes meaning. It is that each bhava has different shades of meanings and different shades are applicable in different charts.

 

We are told that desa-kaala-paatra (place the person is from, times the person lives in and class of the person) work as modifiers of astrological combinations. Out of the many meanings of a sign/house/planet, some become more prominent than others based on the person's desa-kaala-paatra. There may be some who believe that all you need is the horoscope and you can deduce everything else (including desa-kaala-paatra) from it. But my view is otherwise. My view is that the information on desa-kaala-paatra gives additional insight and can be used in judging the horoscope.

 

 

*I* thought Lakshmi's point was good and brought in an interesting angle.

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sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar> > Your logic is bad.> > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of person (like the > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for sudra/king - Saravali).> > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally bad for spirituality.> > Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa Varga. Sixth bhava in > Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but there simply must be yoga > for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga /even sookshma yoga/ like > in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to teach Veda/Vedanga in > foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).> > > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> -----------------------------> http://rohinaa.com> rafal > Lakshmi Kary pisze:> >> > Hare Rama Krisna> > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,> > I think you have to draw a line between the 'average'> > person who is a spiritual seeker and the extraordinary> > persons.> >> > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA> > trikona.> >> > But for a real spiritual person who is 100% engaged in> > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a pure> > devotee ,> >> > >then the 6th house becomes a house of service/work to> > guru and mission.> > Only the really dedicated have given up everything,> > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the fruits> > of their actions to guru/mission.> > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I mean.> > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average> > person path.> > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with> > differently,often increasing their service and> > intensity in sadhana.> > with regards,> > Lakshmi> >> > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak <soulsadhak%40>> > > wrote:> >> > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,> > >> > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana> > > Shoola Dasa - viz.> > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in> > > 6th hs, taking> > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch> > > in 8th); he gets> > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house -> > > higher learning.> > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and> > > also made some> > > writings (A3 in 9th house).> > >> > > Best Regards,> > > SS> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > > "Narasimha P.V.R.> > > Rao" <pvr@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Rafal,> > > >> > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual> > > progress.> > > >> > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.> > > When drigdasa is of> > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The> > > progressed lagna> > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4> > > planets are in 12th> > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains> > > lagna lord and> > > nodes. This stands out as an important period in> > > spiritual life.> > > >> > > > Best regards,> > > > Narasimha> > > >> > >> > -------------------------> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > Spirituality:> > > > > <>> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > >> > >> > -------------------------> > >> > > >> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > > Rafal Gendarz> > > <starsuponme@> wrote:> > > >> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar> > > > *> > > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest> > > spiritual> > > progress was> > > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which> > > doesnt have> > > association> > > > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which> > > is fifth and> > > joining> > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure> > > spirituality...maybe I have> > > wrong> > > > definitins..but thats my anubhava.> > > >> > > > October 25, 1982> > > > Time: 19:35:30> > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"> > > >> > > > Where I went wrong?> > > > *> > > > Regards,> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@> > > >> > > >> > > > Sanjay Rath pisze:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Arpad ji> > > > >> > > > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this.> > > Just one point> > > that> > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about the> > > teachings -- it is> > > > > definitely foolish to even contemplate to> > > speculate on meaning of> > > the> > > > > bija and other such things **during the course> > > of the> > > sadhana** ...I> > > > > think it is this latter part that Guruji> > > Janardhana Paramhamsa> > > may> > > > > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra> > > books explain in> > > great> > > > > detail the formation of the bijas, their special> > > names which have> > > so> > > > > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu> > > has multiple> > > > > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava,> > > Shaiva, Shakta.> > > Its all> > > > > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only> > > adds a flavour,> > > > > perhaps a another way to understand that the> > > banyan tree was in> > > the> > > > > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana> > > it is really not> > > at> > > > > all necessary.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational> > > answers when> > > nothing> > > > > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep> > > on floor** and> > > **take> > > > > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised,> > > much much later,> > > that it> > > > > was all about not getting entangled with making> > > beds, using warm> > > water> > > > > which soothes as opposed to cold water that> > > awakens the nerves> > > while> > > > > normal water keeps the body at the best> > > temperature for the> > > weather.> > > > > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would> > > waste too much> > > energy in> > > > > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance> > > or disturbance to> > > the> > > > > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from> > > Jagannath Puri but> > > was> > > > > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was> > > a great Durga> > > sadhaka> > > > > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of> > > them).> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the> > > spiritual quest and> > > > > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the> > > being. When the dasa> > > rasi> > > > > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti> > > associated with the> > > > > planets getting invoked. The highest experience> > > comes when the> > > > > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at> > > the chara> > > atmakaraka.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Maha Dasas:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07> > > > >> > > > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07> > > > >> > > > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted> > > Ketu (trim graha> > > bija)> > > > > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara> > > > >> > > > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn> > > as subhapati in> > > > > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily> > > guess

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Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear all,A good Jyotishi can take a principle and show how it applies to *all charts* - saints and sinners alike.Desa, kala, patra certainly has a purpose, but also suffers from the stigma of being an excuse.Respectfully,MichalNarasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvrsohamsa Sent:

Thursday, 13 November, 2008 8:23:44 AM Desa-kaala-paatra (Re: 6th house related to spiritual...)

 

 

Dear Rafal,

 

It is not that bhava changes meaning. It is that each bhava has different shades of meanings and different shades are applicable in different charts.

 

We are told that desa-kaala-paatra (place the person is from, times the person lives in and class of the person) work as modifiers of astrological combinations. Out of the many meanings of a sign/house/planet, some become more prominent than others based on the person's desa-kaala-paatra. There may be some who believe that all you need is the horoscope and you can deduce everything else (including desa-kaala-paatra) from it. But my view is otherwise. My view is that the information on desa-kaala-paatra gives additional insight and can be used in judging the horoscope.

 

 

*I* thought Lakshmi's point was good and brought in an interesting angle.

Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:>> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar> > Your logic is bad.> > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of person (like the > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for sudra/king - Saravali).> > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally bad for spirituality.> > Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa Varga. Sixth bhava in > Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but there simply must be yoga > for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga /even sookshma yoga/ like > in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to teach Veda/Vedanga in > foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).> > > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> ------------ --------- --------> http://rohinaa. com> rafal > Lakshmi Kary pisze:> >> > Hare Rama Krisna> > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,> > I think you have to draw a line between the 'average'> > person who is a spiritual seeker and the extraordinary> > persons.> >> > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA> > trikona.> >> > But for a real spiritual person who is 100% engaged in> > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a pure> > devotee ,> >> > >then the 6th house becomes a house of service/work to> > guru and mission.> > Only the really dedicated have given up everything,> > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the fruits> > of their actions to guru/mission.> > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I mean.> > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average> > person path.> > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with> > differently, often increasing their service and> > intensity in sadhana.> > with regards,> > Lakshmi> >> > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@. .. <soulsadhak% 40>> > > wrote:> >> > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,> > >> > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana> > > Shoola Dasa - viz.> > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in> > > 6th hs, taking> > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch> > > in 8th); he gets> > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house -> > > higher learning.> > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and> > > also made some> > > writings (A3 in 9th house).> > >> > > Best Regards,> > > SS> > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > "Narasimha P.V.R.> > > Rao" <pvr@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Rafal,> > > >> > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual> > > progress.> > > >> > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.> > > When drigdasa is of> > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The> > > progressed lagna> > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4> > > planets are in 12th> > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains> > > lagna lord and> > > nodes. This stands out as an important period in> > > spiritual life.> > > >> > > > Best regards,> > > > Narasimha> > > >> > >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>> > > > Spirituality:> > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> > > http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> > > http://www.SriJagan nath.org <http://www.SriJagan nath.org>> > > >> > >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > >> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > Rafal Gendarz> > > <starsuponme@> wrote:> > > >> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar> > > > *> > > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest> > > spiritual> > > progress was> > > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which> > > doesnt have> > > association> > > > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which> > > is fifth and> > > joining> > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure> > > spirituality. ..maybe I have> > > wrong> > > > definitins.. but thats my anubhava.> > > >> > > > October 25, 1982> > > > Time: 19:35:30> > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"> > > >> > > > Where I went wrong?> > > > *> > > > Regards,> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > > >> > > >> > > > Sanjay Rath pisze:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Arpad ji> > > > >> > > > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this.> > > Just one point> > > that> > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about the> > > teachings -- it is> > > > > definitely foolish to even contemplate to> > > speculate on meaning of> > > the> > > > > bija and other such things **during the course> > > of the> > > sadhana** ...I> > > > > think it is this latter part that Guruji> > > Janardhana Paramhamsa> > > may> > > > > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra> > > books explain in> > > great> > > > > detail the formation of the bijas, their special> > > names which have> > > so> > > > > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu> > > has multiple> > > > > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava,> > > Shaiva, Shakta.> > > Its all> > > > > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only> > > adds a flavour,> > > > > perhaps a another way to understand that the> > > banyan tree was in> > > the> > > > > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana> > > it is really not> > > at> > > > > all necessary.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational> > > answers when> > > nothing> > > > > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep> > > on floor** and> > > **take> > > > > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised,> > > much much later,> > > that it> > > > > was all about not getting entangled with making> > > beds, using warm> > > water> > > > > which soothes as opposed to cold water that> > > awakens the nerves> > > while> > > > > normal water keeps the body at the best> > > temperature for the> > > weather.> > > > > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would> > > waste too much> > > energy in> > > > > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance> > > or disturbance to> > > the> > > > > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from> > > Jagannath Puri but> > > was> > > > > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was> > > a great Durga> > > sadhaka> > > > > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of> > > them).> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the> > > spiritual quest and> > > > > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the> > > being. When the dasa> > > rasi> > > > > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti> > > associated with the> > > > > planets getting invoked. The highest experience> > > comes when the> > > > > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at> > > the chara> > > atmakaraka.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Maha Dasas:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07> > > > >> > > > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07> > > > >> > > > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted> > > Ketu (trim graha> > > bija)> > > > > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara> > > > >> > > > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn> > > as subhapati in> > > > > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily> > > guess

 

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