Desa-kaala-paatra (6th house related to spiritual...)

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Namaste friends,

 

Happy Karthika Pournima to all of you!

 

> A good Jyotishi can take a principle and show how it applies to *all charts* - saints and sinners alike.

 

I suppose I have nothing to say to "good Jyotishis" that you are talking about. :-)

 

But those of us who are not that "good" can use desa-kaala-paatra to judge better. For example, marriages and divorces can be judged differently in different cultures and times, even though the basic paramaters are the same.

 

If you take thousands of charts of orthodox Indians from 19th century and thousands of people from a modern culture with a high divorce rate, do you expect a big difference in the percentage of people with problematic UL and navamsa in the two groups? Perhaps not.

 

If you take thousands of people in a poor third world country and thousands of people in an affluent country, do you expect a big difference in the percentage of people with a good 2nd house? Perhaps not.

 

A lot of things we normally see are *relative* to the desa-kaala-paatra of the person. If a "good Jyotishi" is capable of seeing things in *absolute* terms, good for him or her! But things are visible only in relative terms to most Jyotishis.

 

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sohamsa , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear all,> > A good Jyotishi can take a principle and show how it applies to *all charts* - saints and sinners alike.> > Desa, kala, patra certainly has a purpose, but also suffers from the stigma of being an excuse.> > Respectfully,> Michal> > > > > ________________________________> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr> sohamsa > Thursday, 13 November, 2008 8:23:44 AM> Desa-kaala-paatra (Re: 6th house related to spiritual...)> > > Dear Rafal,> > It is not that bhava changes meaning. It is that > each bhava has different shades of meanings and different shades are applicable > in different charts.> > We are told that desa-kaala-paatra (place the > person is from, times the person lives in and class of the person) work as > modifiers of astrological combinations. Out of the many meanings of a > sign/house/planet, some become more prominent than others based on the person's > desa-kaala-paatra. There may be some who believe that all you need is the > horoscope and you can deduce everything else (including desa-kaala-paatra) from > it. But my view is otherwise. My view is that the information on > desa-kaala-paatra gives additional insight and can be used in judging the > horoscope.> > *I* thought Lakshmi's point was good and brought in > an interesting angle.> Best > regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Do > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:> >> > *om namo bhagavate > narasimhaya*> > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar> > > > Your logic is > bad.> > > > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of > person (like the > > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for > sudra/king - Saravali).> > > > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna > is normally bad for spirituality.> > > > Your concept about seva is > related to Vimsamsa Varga. Sixth bhava in > > Rasi can act for the sake of > spirituality but there simply must be yoga > > for that (like 5,6,8 houses > connected by yoga /even sookshma yoga/ like > > in case of Srila Prabhupada > or Sanjay Rath - to teach Veda/Vedanga in > > foreign country [Chandra Kala > Nadi]).> > > > > > > > Regards,> > Rafal > Gendarz> > ------------ --------- --------> > http://rohinaa. com> > rafal@> > > > Lakshmi Kary pisze:> > >> > > Hare Rama Krisna> > > > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,> > > I think you have to draw a line > between the 'average'> > > person who is a spiritual seeker and the > extraordinary> > > persons.> > >> > > For average > persons 6th house is part of ARTHA> > > trikona.> > >> > > > But for a real spiritual person who is 100% engaged in> > > > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a pure> > > devotee > ,> > >> > > >then the 6th house becomes a house of > service/work to> > > guru and mission.> > > Only the really > dedicated have given up everything,> > > given it all to guru and > mission.Give all the fruits> > > of their actions to > guru/mission.> > > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I > mean.> > > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average> > > > person path.> > > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt > with> > > differently, often increasing their service and> > > > intensity in sadhana.> > > with regards,> > > Lakshmi> > > >> > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@ .. <soulsadhak% 40>> > > > wrote:> > >> > > > Dear > Narasimha/Rafal,> > > >> > > > Can a similar logic be made > while using Nirayana> > > > Shoola Dasa - viz.> > > > e.g. > in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in> > > > 6th hs, > taking> > > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get > Vrisch> > > > in 8th); he gets> > > > Ma (lagna lord) and > Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house -> > > > higher learning.> > > > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and> > > > also > made some> > > > writings (A3 in 9th house).> > > > >> > > > Best Regards,> > > > SS> > > > --- > In sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > > "Narasimha P.V.R.> > > > Rao" <pvr@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Rafal,> > > > > >> > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for > spiritual> > > > progress.> > > > >> > > > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.> > > > When > drigdasa is of> > > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. > The> > > > progressed lagna> > > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). > Taking Sc as lagna, 4> > > > planets are in 12th> > > > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains> > > > lagna > lord and> > > > nodes. This stands out as an important period > in> > > > spiritual life.> > > > >> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > Narasimha> > > > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>> > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>> > > > > > Spirituality:> > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> > > > http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> > > > http://www.SriJagan nath.org <http://www.SriJagan nath.org>> > > > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > <starsuponme@> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > *kleem namah > narasimhaaya*> > > > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar> > > > > > *> > > > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and > biggest> > > > spiritual> > > > progress was> > > > > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which> > > > doesnt > have> > > > association> > > > > with Lagna nor AK. > Whilst next dasa of Libra which> > > > is fifth and> > > > > joining> > > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure> > > > > spirituality. ..maybe I have> > > > wrong> > > > > > definitins.. but thats my anubhava.> > > > >> > > > > > October 25, 1982> > > > > Time: 19:35:30> > > > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 18 E 41' > 00", 50 N 13' 00"> > > > >> > > > > Where I went > wrong?> > > > > *> > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sanjay Rath > pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Arpad > ji> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste. I thank you > sincerely for sharing this.> > > > Just one point> > > > > that> > > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about > the> > > > teachings -- it is> > > > > > definitely > foolish to even contemplate to> > > > speculate on meaning of> > > > > the> > > > > > bija and other such things **during > the course> > > > of the> > > > sadhana** ...I> > > > > > > think it is this latter part that Guruji> > > > > Janardhana Paramhamsa> > > > may> > > > > > have > tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra> > > > books explain > in> > > > great> > > > > > detail the formation of > the bijas, their special> > > > names which have> > > > > so> > > > > > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija > nighantu> > > > has multiple> > > > > > approaches > depending on the path -- Vaishnava,> > > > Shaiva, Shakta.> > > > > Its all> > > > > > so wonderfully divined and then > the meaning only> > > > adds a flavour,> > > > > > > perhaps a another way to understand that the> > > > banyan tree was > in> > > > the> > > > > > seed ... although from the > viewpoint of sadhana> > > > it is really not> > > > > at> > > > > > all necessary.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational> > > > > answers when> > > > nothing> > > > > > is > forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep> > > > on floor** > and> > > > **take> > > > > > bath in normal water** > rules I rationalised,> > > > much much later,> > > > that > it> > > > > > was all about not getting entangled with > making> > > > beds, using warm> > > > water> > > > > > > which soothes as opposed to cold water that> > > > > awakens the nerves> > > > while> > > > > > normal > water keeps the body at the best> > > > temperature for the> > > > > weather.> > > > > > Another thing perhaps was that > the mind would> > > > waste too much> > > > energy > in> > > > > > a focus that was actually yet another > hindrance> > > > or disturbance to> > > > the> > > > > > > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from> > > > > Jagannath Puri but> > > > was> > > > > > quite > strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was> > > > a great > Durga> > > > sadhaka> > > > > > and taought me the > Mahavidya (at least two of> > > > them).> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the> > > > > spiritual quest and> > > > > > sadhana. It shows the > transformations to the> > > > being. When the dasa> > > > > rasi> > > > > > aspects the lagna, you will find the > shakti> > > > associated with the> > > > > > planets > getting invoked. The highest experience> > > > comes when the> > > > > > > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at> > > > > the chara> > > > atmakaraka.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Maha > Dasas:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- > has exalted> > > > Ketu (trim graha> > > > bija)> > > > > > > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara> > > > > > >> > > > > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK > Saturn> > > > as subhapati in> > > > > > DhanisTha > nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily> > > > > guess