Desa-kaala-paatra (6th house related to spiritual...)

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Om Gurave namahDear Narasimha,Are you saying that Sun is not on sky today, like was yesterday? Can Truth and Divine Cosmic law be pulled down to compromise and fit needs of each 'small personal view' of world,*relative* perspective' as you say or is it just maya theatre performances we're dealing with here? In sense of changing even bhava basic significance depending on when/where one comes from ?!?! Is that desa-kaala-paatra supose to be or I missed something?I wonder what is next 'new age' sutra? Sun *relative* retrogration ?I once deeply admired your free software contribution to Jyotish world, hundreds of people learned from there...I saw it as unique selfless example,I was so exited that day when I saw how nobly you gave it for benefit of learning.But if each next upgrade is giving us these kind of 'indepent interpretations' rules, I wonder where to this truly leads ?! With best wishesMajasohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste friends,> > Happy Karthika Pournima to all of you!> > > A good Jyotishi can take a principle and show how it applies to *all charts* - saints and sinners alike.> > I suppose I have nothing to say to "good Jyotishis" that you are talking about. :-)> > But those of us who are not that "good" can use desa-kaala-paatra to judge better. For example, marriages and divorces can be judged differently in different cultures and times, even though the basic paramaters are the same.> > If you take thousands of charts of orthodox Indians from 19th century and thousands of people from a modern culture with a high divorce rate, do you expect a big difference in the percentage of people with problematic UL and navamsa in the two groups? Perhaps not.> > If you take thousands of people in a poor third world country and thousands of people in an affluent country, do you expect a big difference in the percentage of people with a good 2nd house? Perhaps not.> > A lot of things we normally see are *relative* to the desa-kaala-paatra of the person. If a "good Jyotishi" is capable of seeing things in *absolute* terms, good for him or her! But things are visible only in relative terms to most Jyotishis.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > sohamsa , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > > Dear all,> > > > A good Jyotishi can take a principle and show how it applies to *all charts* - saints and sinners alike.> > > > Desa, kala, patra certainly has a purpose, but also suffers from the stigma of being an excuse.> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao pvr@> > sohamsa > > Thursday, 13 November, 2008 8:23:44 AM> > Desa-kaala-paatra (Re: 6th house related to spiritual...)> > > > > > Dear Rafal,> > > > It is not that bhava changes meaning. It is that > > each bhava has different shades of meanings and different shades are applicable > > in different charts.> > > > We are told that desa-kaala-paatra (place the > > person is from, times the person lives in and class of the person) work as > > modifiers of astrological combinations. Out of the many meanings of a > > sign/house/planet, some become more prominent than others based on the person's > > desa-kaala-paatra. There may be some who believe that all you need is the > > horoscope and you can deduce everything else (including desa-kaala-paatra) from > > it. But my view is otherwise. My view is that the information on > > desa-kaala-paatra gives additional insight and can be used in judging the > > horoscope.> > > > *I* thought Lakshmi's point was good and brought in > > an interesting angle.> > Best > > regards,> > Narasimha> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > Do > > a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > Do > > Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > Free > > Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > Free > > Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > Sri > > Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > *om namo bhagavate > > narasimhaya*> > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar> > > > > > Your logic is > > bad.> > > > > > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of > > person (like the > > > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for > > sudra/king - Saravali).> > > > > > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna > > is normally bad for spirituality.> > > > > > Your concept about seva is > > related to Vimsamsa Varga. Sixth bhava in > > > Rasi can act for the sake of > > spirituality but there simply must be yoga > > > for that (like 5,6,8 houses > > connected by yoga /even sookshma yoga/ like > > > in case of Srila Prabhupada > > or Sanjay Rath - to teach Veda/Vedanga in > > > foreign country [Chandra Kala > > Nadi]).> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Rafal > > Gendarz> > > ------------ --------- --------> > > http://rohinaa. com> > > rafal@> > > > > > Lakshmi Kary pisze:> > > >> > > > Hare Rama Krisna> > > > > > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,> > > > I think you have to draw a line > > between the 'average'> > > > person who is a spiritual seeker and the > > extraordinary> > > > persons.> > > >> > > > For average > > persons 6th house is part of ARTHA> > > > trikona.> > > >> > > > > > But for a real spiritual person who is 100% engaged in> > > > > > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a pure> > > > devotee > > ,> > > >> > > > >then the 6th house becomes a house of > > service/work to> > > > guru and mission.> > > > Only the really > > dedicated have given up everything,> > > > given it all to guru and > > mission.Give all the fruits> > > > of their actions to > > guru/mission.> > > > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I > > mean.> > > > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average> > > > > > person path.> > > > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt > > with> > > > differently, often increasing their service and> > > > > > intensity in sadhana.> > > > with regards,> > > > Lakshmi> > > > > >> > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@ .. <soulsadhak% 40>> > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear > > Narasimha/Rafal,> > > > >> > > > > Can a similar logic be made > > while using Nirayana> > > > > Shoola Dasa - viz.> > > > > e.g. > > in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in> > > > > 6th hs, > > taking> > > > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get > > Vrisch> > > > > in 8th); he gets> > > > > Ma (lagna lord) and > > Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house -> > > > > higher learning.> > > > > > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and> > > > > also > > made some> > > > > writings (A3 in 9th house).> > > > > > >> > > > > Best Regards,> > > > > SS> > > > > --- > > In sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > > > "Narasimha P.V.R.> > > > > Rao" <pvr@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Rafal,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for > > spiritual> > > > > progress.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.> > > > > When > > drigdasa is of> > > > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. > > The> > > > > progressed lagna> > > > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). > > Taking Sc as lagna, 4> > > > > planets are in 12th> > > > > > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains> > > > > lagna > > lord and> > > > > nodes. This stands out as an important period > > in> > > > > spiritual life.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:> > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>> > > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:> > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>> > > > > > > > Spirituality:> > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> > > > > http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> > > > > http://www.SriJagan nath.org <http://www.SriJagan nath.org>> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > <starsuponme@> > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > *kleem namah > > narasimhaaya*> > > > > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar> > > > > > > > *> > > > > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and > > biggest> > > > > spiritual> > > > > progress was> > > > > > > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which> > > > > doesnt > > have> > > > > association> > > > > > with Lagna nor AK. > > Whilst next dasa of Libra which> > > > > is fifth and> > > > > > > joining> > > > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure> > > > > > > spirituality. ..maybe I have> > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > definitins.. but thats my anubhava.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > October 25, 1982> > > > > > Time: 19:35:30> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 18 E 41' > > 00", 50 N 13' 00"> > > > > >> > > > > > Where I went > > wrong?> > > > > > *> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > pisze:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Arpad > > ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaste. I thank you > > sincerely for sharing this.> > > > > Just one point> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about > > the> > > > > teachings -- it is> > > > > > > definitely > > foolish to even contemplate to> > > > > speculate on meaning of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > bija and other such things **during > > the course> > > > > of the> > > > > sadhana** ...I> > > > > > > > > think it is this latter part that Guruji> > > > > > > Janardhana Paramhamsa> > > > > may> > > > > > > have > > tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra> > > > > books explain > > in> > > > > great> > > > > > > detail the formation of > > the bijas, their special> > > > > names which have> > > > > > > so> > > > > > > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija > > nighantu> > > > > has multiple> > > > > > > approaches > > depending on the path -- Vaishnava,> > > > > Shaiva, Shakta.> > > > > > > Its all> > > > > > > so wonderfully divined and then > > the meaning only> > > > > adds a flavour,> > > > > > > > > perhaps a another way to understand that the> > > > > banyan tree was > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > seed ... although from the > > viewpoint of sadhana> > > > > it is really not> > > > > > > at> > > > > > > all necessary.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational> > > > > > > answers when> > > > > nothing> > > > > > > is > > forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep> > > > > on floor** > > and> > > > > **take> > > > > > > bath in normal water** > > rules I rationalised,> > > > > much much later,> > > > > that > > it> > > > > > > was all about not getting entangled with > > making> > > > > beds, using warm> > > > > water> > > > > > > > > which soothes as opposed to cold water that> > > > > > > awakens the nerves> > > > > while> > > > > > > normal > > water keeps the body at the best> > > > > temperature for the> > > > > > > weather.> > > > > > > Another thing perhaps was that > > the mind would> > > > > waste too much> > > > > energy > > in> > > > > > > a focus that was actually yet another > > hindrance> > > > > or disturbance to> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from> > > > > > > Jagannath Puri but> > > > > was> > > > > > > quite > > strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was> > > > > a great > > Durga> > > > > sadhaka> > > > > > > and taought me the > > Mahavidya (at least two of> > > > > them).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the> > > > > > > spiritual quest and> > > > > > > sadhana. It shows the > > transformations to the> > > > > being. When the dasa> > > > > > > rasi> > > > > > > aspects the lagna, you will find the > > shakti> > > > > associated with the> > > > > > > planets > > getting invoked. The highest experience> > > > > comes when the> > > > > > > > > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at> > > > > > > the chara> > > > > atmakaraka.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Maha > > Dasas:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- > > has exalted> > > > > Ketu (trim graha> > > > > bija)> > > > > > > > > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK > > Saturn> > > > > as subhapati in> > > > > > > DhanisTha > > nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily> > > > > > > guess>

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om namo bhagavate narasimhaya

Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

 

Maybe I am too idealistic..but I want to believe that everything can be

read from natal, nimitta and prashna (current life blessings),

otherwise there is a risk of bad judgment..of course everywhere is a

risk..but attitude which I am praising here appeals to me more.

 

I want to judge the shades of sixth bhava based on yoga, instead of

judging his kala/desa/patra - but yes - I remember some sloka from

classic that we should take this into account..

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

-----------------------------

http://rohinaa.com

 

rafal

 

 

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao pisze:

 

 

 

Dear Rafal,

 

It is not that bhava changes

meaning. It is that each bhava has different shades of meanings and

different shades are applicable in different charts.

 

We are told that desa-kaala-paatra

(place the person is from, times the person lives in and class of the

person) work as modifiers of astrological combinations. Out of the many

meanings of a sign/house/planet, some become more prominent than others

based on the person's desa-kaala-paatra. There may be some who believe

that all you need is the horoscope and you can deduce everything else

(including desa-kaala-paatra) from it. But my view is otherwise. My

view is that the information on desa-kaala-paatra gives additional

insight and can be used in judging the horoscope.

 

 

*I* thought Lakshmi's point was good

and brought in an interesting angle.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

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sohamsa ,

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

>

> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

>

> Your logic is bad.

>

> Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of person (like

the

> avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for sudra/king -

Saravali).

>

> Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally bad for

spirituality.

>

> Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa Varga. Sixth bhava

in

> Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but there simply must be

yoga

> for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga /even sookshma yoga/

like

> in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to teach Veda/Vedanga

in

> foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

>

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> -----------------------------

> http://rohinaa.com

> rafal

>

> Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krisna

> > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > I think you have to draw a line between the 'average'

> > person who is a spiritual seeker and the extraordinary

> > persons.

> >

> > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > trikona.

> >

> > But for a real spiritual person who is 100% engaged in

> > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a pure

> > devotee ,

> >

> > >then the 6th house becomes a house of service/work to

> > guru and mission.

> > Only the really dedicated have given up everything,

> > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the fruits

> > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I mean.

> > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average

> > person path.

> > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > differently,often increasing their service and

> > intensity in sadhana.

> > with regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak <soulsadhak%40>>

 

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > >

> > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana

> > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in

> > > 6th hs, taking

> > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch

> > > in 8th); he gets

> > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house -

> > > higher learning.

> > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and

> > > also made some

> > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > SS

> > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>,

 

> > "Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > Rao" <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual

> > > progress.

> > > >

> > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.

> > > When drigdasa is of

> > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The

> > > progressed lagna

> > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > planets are in 12th

> > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains

> > > lagna lord and

> > > nodes. This stands out as an important period in

> > > spiritual life.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > >

> > -------------------------

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

 

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

 

> > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>

> > > > Spirituality:

> > >

 

> > <>

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

<http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > http://www.SriJagannath.org

<http://www.SriJagannath.org>

> > > >

> > >

> > -------------------------

> > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>,

 

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > > > *

> > > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest

> > > spiritual

> > > progress was

> > > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which

> > > doesnt have

> > > association

> > > > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which

> > > is fifth and

> > > joining

> > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure

> > > spirituality...maybe I have

> > > wrong

> > > > definitins..but thats my anubhava.

> > > >

> > > > October 25, 1982

> > > > Time: 19:35:30

> > > > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"

> > > >

> > > > Where I went wrong?

> > > > *

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com>

/ email: rafal@

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Arpad ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing

this.

> > > Just one point

> > > that

> > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about the

> > > teachings -- it is

> > > > > definitely foolish to even contemplate to

> > > speculate on meaning of

> > > the

> > > > > bija and other such things **during the course

> > > of the

> > > sadhana** ...I

> > > > > think it is this latter part that Guruji

> > > Janardhana Paramhamsa

> > > may

> > > > > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra

> > > books explain in

> > > great

> > > > > detail the formation of the bijas, their

special

> > > names which have

> > > so

> > > > > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija

nighantu

> > > has multiple

> > > > > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava,

> > > Shaiva, Shakta.

> > > Its all

> > > > > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning

only

> > > adds a flavour,

> > > > > perhaps a another way to understand that the

> > > banyan tree was in

> > > the

> > > > > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana

> > > it is really not

> > > at

> > > > > all necessary.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational

> > > answers when

> > > nothing

> > > > > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep

> > > on floor** and

> > > **take

> > > > > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised,

> > > much much later,

> > > that it

> > > > > was all about not getting entangled with making

> > > beds, using warm

> > > water

> > > > > which soothes as opposed to cold water that

> > > awakens the nerves

> > > while

> > > > > normal water keeps the body at the best

> > > temperature for the

> > > weather.

> > > > > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would

> > > waste too much

> > > energy in

> > > > > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance

> > > or disturbance to

> > > the

> > > > > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from

> > > Jagannath Puri but

> > > was

> > > > > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra

was

> > > a great Durga

> > > sadhaka

> > > > > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of

> > > them).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the

> > > spiritual quest and

> > > > > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the

> > > being. When the dasa

> > > rasi

> > > > > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti

> > > associated with the

> > > > > planets getting invoked. The highest experience

> > > comes when the

> > > > > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at

> > > the chara

> > > atmakaraka.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Maha Dasas:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07

> > > > >

> > > > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07

> > > > >

> > > > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted

> > > Ketu (trim graha

> > > bija)

> > > > > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara

> > > > >

> > > > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn

> > > as subhapati in

> > > > > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily

> > > guess

 

 

 

 

 

 

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om namo bhagavate narasimhaya

Dear Narasimha, Namaskar

 

Therefore we need a prashna chart along with natal.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

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rafal

 

 

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao pisze:

 

 

 

Namaste friends,

 

Happy Karthika Pournima to all of

you!

 

> A good Jyotishi can take a

principle and show how it applies to *all charts* - saints and sinners

alike.

 

I suppose I have nothing to say to

"good Jyotishis" that you are talking about. :-)

 

But those of us who are not that

"good" can use desa-kaala-paatra to judge better. For example,

marriages and divorces can be judged differently in different cultures

and times, even though the basic paramaters are the same.

 

If you take thousands of charts of

orthodox Indians from 19th century and thousands of people from a

modern culture with a high divorce rate, do you expect a big difference

in the percentage of people with problematic UL and navamsa in the two

groups? Perhaps not.

 

If you take thousands of people in a

poor third world country and thousands of people in an affluent

country, do you expect a big difference in the percentage of people

with a good 2nd house? Perhaps not.

 

A lot of things we normally see are

*relative* to the desa-kaala-paatra of the person. If a "good Jyotishi"

is capable of seeing things in *absolute* terms, good for him or her!

But things are visible only in relative terms to most Jyotishis.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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sohamsa ,

Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear all,

>

> A good Jyotishi can take a principle and show how it applies to

*all charts* - saints and sinners alike.

>

> Desa, kala, patra certainly has a purpose, but also suffers from

the stigma of being an excuse.

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

> sohamsa

> Thursday, 13 November, 2008 8:23:44 AM

> Desa-kaala-paatra (Re: 6th house related to

spiritual...)

>

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> It is not that bhava changes meaning. It is that

> each bhava has different shades of meanings and different shades

are applicable

> in different charts.

>

> We are told that desa-kaala-paatra (place the

> person is from, times the person lives in and class of the person)

work as

> modifiers of astrological combinations. Out of the many meanings

of a

> sign/house/planet, some become more prominent than others based on

the person's

> desa-kaala-paatra. There may be some who believe that all you need

is the

> horoscope and you can deduce everything else (including

desa-kaala-paatra) from

> it. But my view is otherwise. My view is that the information on

> desa-kaala-paatra gives additional insight and can be used in

judging the

> horoscope.

>

> *I* thought Lakshmi's point was good and brought in

> an interesting angle.

> Best

> regards,

> Narasimha

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

---------

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> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

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>

> sohamsa@

..com, Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > *om namo bhagavate

> narasimhaya*

> > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> >

> > Your logic is

> bad.

> >

> > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position of

> person (like the

> > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> sudra/king - Saravali).

> >

> > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna

> is normally bad for spirituality.

> >

> > Your concept about seva is

> related to Vimsamsa Varga. Sixth bhava in

> > Rasi can act for the sake of

> spirituality but there simply must be yoga

> > for that (like 5,6,8 houses

> connected by yoga /even sookshma yoga/ like

> > in case of Srila Prabhupada

> or Sanjay Rath - to teach Veda/Vedanga in

> > foreign country [Chandra Kala

> Nadi]).

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal

> Gendarz

> > ------------ --------- --------

> > http://rohinaa.

com

> > rafal@

> >

> > Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krisna

> >

> > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > > I think you have to draw a line

> between the 'average'

> > > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> extraordinary

> > > persons.

> > >

> > > For average

> persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > > trikona.

> > >

> >

> > But for a real spiritual person who is 100% engaged in

> > >

> devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a pure

> > > devotee

> ,

> > >

> > > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> service/work to

> > > guru and mission.

> > > Only the really

> dedicated have given up everything,

> > > given it all to guru and

> mission.Give all the fruits

> > > of their actions to

> guru/mission.

> > > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> mean.

> > > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct average

> >

> > person path.

> > > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt

> with

> > > differently, often increasing their service and

> > >

> intensity in sadhana.

> > > with regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> >

> >

> > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@ .. <soulsadhak%

40>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear

> Narasimha/Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > Can a similar logic be made

> while using Nirayana

> > > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > > e.g.

> in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in

> > > > 6th hs,

> taking

> > > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> Vrisch

> > > > in 8th); he gets

> > > > Ma (lagna lord) and

> Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house -

> > > > higher learning.

> > >

> > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and

> > > > also

> made some

> > > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > >

> >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > SS

> > > > ---

> In sohamsa@

..com <sohamsa%

40. com>,

> > > "Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > > Rao" <pvr@>

> > >

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rafal,

> >

> > > >

> > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> spiritual

> > > > progress.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004.

> > > > When

> drigdasa is of

> > > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn.

> The

> > > > progressed lagna

> > > > is in Sc (5th from Cn).

> Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > > planets are in 12th

> > > >

> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains

> > > > lagna

> lord and

> > > > nodes. This stands out as an important period

> in

> > > > spiritual life.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> > >

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > >

> > Do a Short Homam Yourself:

> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> > > <http://www.VedicAst

rologer.org/ homam>

> >

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/

tarpana

> > > <http://www.VedicAst

rologer.org/ tarpana>

> >

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > http://groups.

/ group/vedic- wisdom

> > > <http://groups.

/ group/vedic- wisdom>

> >

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > > http://vedicastro.

home.comcast. net <http://vedicastro.

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> >

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org <http://www.VedicAst

rologer.org>

> >

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> > > > http://www.SriJagan nath.org <http://www.SriJagan

nath.org>

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%

40. com>,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > <starsuponme@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *kleem namah

> narasimhaaya*

> > > > > Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > > >

> > *

> > > > > I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and

> biggest

> > > > spiritual

> > > > progress was

> > >

> > > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which

> > > > doesnt

> have

> > > > association

> > > > > with Lagna nor AK.

> Whilst next dasa of Libra which

> > > > is fifth and

> > > >

> joining

> > > > > AK has decreased my interest in pure

> > >

> > spirituality. ..maybe I have

> > > > wrong

> > > > >

> definitins.. but thats my anubhava.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> October 25, 1982

> > > > > Time: 19:35:30

> > > >

> > Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > Place: 18 E 41'

> 00", 50 N 13' 00"

> > > > >

> > > > > Where I went

> wrong?

> > > > > *

> > > > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.

com> / email: rafal@

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanjay Rath

> pisze:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Arpad

> ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste. I thank you

> sincerely for sharing this.

> > > > Just one point

> > > >

> that

> > > > > > perhaps you may have overlooked about

> the

> > > > teachings -- it is

> > > > > > definitely

> foolish to even contemplate to

> > > > speculate on meaning of

> >

> > > the

> > > > > > bija and other such things **during

> the course

> > > > of the

> > > > sadhana** ...I

> >

> > > > > think it is this latter part that Guruji

> > > >

> Janardhana Paramhamsa

> > > > may

> > > > > > have

> tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra

> > > > books explain

> in

> > > > great

> > > > > > detail the formation of

> the bijas, their special

> > > > names which have

> > > >

> so

> > > > > > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija

> nighantu

> > > > has multiple

> > > > > > approaches

> depending on the path -- Vaishnava,

> > > > Shaiva, Shakta.

> >

> > > Its all

> > > > > > so wonderfully divined and then

> the meaning only

> > > > adds a flavour,

> > > > > >

> perhaps a another way to understand that the

> > > > banyan tree was

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > > seed ... although from the

> viewpoint of sadhana

> > > > it is really not

> > > >

> at

> > > > > > all necessary.

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational

> > > >

> answers when

> > > > nothing

> > > > > > is

> forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep

> > > > on floor**

> and

> > > > **take

> > > > > > bath in normal water**

> rules I rationalised,

> > > > much much later,

> > > > that

> it

> > > > > > was all about not getting entangled with

> making

> > > > beds, using warm

> > > > water

> > >

> > > > which soothes as opposed to cold water that

> > > >

> awakens the nerves

> > > > while

> > > > > > normal

> water keeps the body at the best

> > > > temperature for the

> >

> > > weather.

> > > > > > Another thing perhaps was that

> the mind would

> > > > waste too much

> > > > energy

> in

> > > > > > a focus that was actually yet another

> hindrance

> > > > or disturbance to

> > > > the

> > >

> > > > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from

> > > >

> Jagannath Puri but

> > > > was

> > > > > > quite

> strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was

> > > > a great

> Durga

> > > > sadhaka

> > > > > > and taought me the

> Mahavidya (at least two of

> > > > them).

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the

> > > >

> spiritual quest and

> > > > > > sadhana. It shows the

> transformations to the

> > > > being. When the dasa

> > > >

> rasi

> > > > > > aspects the lagna, you will find the

> shakti

> > > > associated with the

> > > > > > planets

> getting invoked. The highest experience

> > > > comes when the

> >

> > > > > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at

> > >

> > the chara

> > > > atmakaraka.

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath

> > > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maha

> Dasas:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 --

> has exalted

> > > > Ketu (trim graha

> > > > bija)

> >

> > > > > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK

> Saturn

> > > > as subhapati in

> > > > > > DhanisTha

> nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily

> > > >

> guess

 

 

 

 

 

 

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