Niryana Shoola Dasa

November 13, 2008

Dear Jyotisha

Hare Krishna

The Niryana Shoola Dasa works perfectly in my case.If its expected to show death, the death(transformation) experienced is of material qualities and areas of life indicated by the Arudhas. The Arudhas should indicate that which is not true but which is manifest in this world as a reality. My humble take is that when we run the Niryana shoola dasa of a house wherein arudhas connected to spirituality (A8, A5, A9, AL) are housed there would be very special experiences. In the case of Swami Sivananda, his Sg dasa should have been one of significance because it houses the A8. This would awaken the Kundalini and put the native through intense process of understanding who they are and who Sri Jagannatha is atleast to the extent of their adhikara.

..In my case I am currently running the dasa of the sign housing the AL and I would go as far as saying that this has been the most transformative time where the experiences have been very intense and deep. My sadhana has been intense and there have been amazing benedictions bestowed by my parampara (Srila Prabhupada) and my Gurudeva. Needless to say, I am also running the Moola Antara dasa of my AK(seen from the Moon) which is also capable of this., But the experiences started almost on par with the NSD of my AL.To add the AL is aspected by the AK (Rasi dristhi).

I am hesitant to share my birth data on the list, but just wanted to buttress the point that this dasa is quite effective to my limited cognisance and knowledge of Jyotisha.

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Sri Vrindavan das (Sudharsan)

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Posted by: "Sanjay Prabhakaran" sanjaychettiar sanjayprabhakaran

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas and Narasimhaji,Can it be possible that Swami Shivananda had a spiritual progress made backin Libra dasa itself('04 to '11), when progressed 8th house was over AkMoon?.I was thinking that maybe one could still linger around for some time afterget certain spiritual direction and then get the Guru/Sanyasa at a latertime?From his autobiography,> "The Magazine(Ambrosia) quickly gained popularity soon after its inception> in 1909. Distinguished contributors started contributing for it. Once my> mother wanted to celebrate some festival and was in need of about one> hundred and fifty rupees to meet the expenses. I was ready with this sum.>> The "Ambrosia" journal was successfully run for four years until I sailed> for Malaya. It was of demi-quarto size, thirty-two pages each issue, and was> quite

beautifully got up. The material that its contents presented to the> reader every month was attractive and highly useful to all medical> practitioners. A significant spiritual touch could be felt in the pages of> the "Ambrosia." Unlike other medical journals, the entire outlook was based> on the teachings of the sages of yore. *Spirituality was ingrained in me> even in my youth*.">Moon stands for "Soma" the magazine is called "Ambrosia". This happensduring the 8th house transit (NSDasa) over Moon. Of course during the sametime Narayana dasa was also of Libra. So this can be explained usingNarayana dasa alsoBasically, My idea was just that why to look for some other 8th house dasa?,Maybe I can try things out using this NSDasa itself to see if it works.Another point I had in mind was that , Spiritual inclination can start muchearlier than when we meet Guru is was my opinion.

In my own example duringCancer dasa (Progressed 8th house in Capricorn) was terrible financially andmentally, But it made me think about higher powers, destiny and divinity.But I started some normal sadhana like regular worship etc only much later.The driving force is still my experiences in Cancer dasa. Hopefully I havegiven my humble opinion on this.With Warm Regards and namaskaarams,Sanjay Po<-<Niryana Shoola Dasa (death):Maha Dasas:Le: 1887-09-08 (4:16:00 am) - 1895-09-08 (5:21:28 am)Vi: 1895-09-08 (5:21:28 am) - 1904-09-08 (12:49:48 pm)*Li: 1904-09-08 (12:49:48 pm) - 1911-09-09 (7:47:52 am)** Sc: 1911-09-09 (7:47:52 am) - 1919-09-09 (8:57:50 am)* Sg: 1919-09-09 (8:57:50 am) - 1928-09-08 (4:25:31 pm)Cp: 1928-09-08 (4:25:31 pm) - 1935-09-09 (11:26:07 am)Aq: 1935-09-09 (11:26:07 am) - 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm)Pi: 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) - 1952-09-08 (8:05:35

pm)Ar: 1952-09-08 (8:05:35 pm) - 1959-09-09 (3:00:29 pm)Ta: 1959-09-09 (3:00:29 pm) - 1967-09-09 (4:11:39 pm)Ge: 1967-09-09 (4:11:39 pm) - 1976-09-08 (11:37:36 pm)Cn: 1976-09-08 (11:37:36 pm) - 1983-09-09 (6:41:50 pm)http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ SivanandaHis Autobiography http://dlshq. org/download/ autobio.htmNarayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):Maha Dasas:Cn: 1887-09-08 (4:16:00 am) - 1890-09-07 (10:43:56 pm)Le: 1890-09-07 (10:43:56 pm) - 1902-09-09 (12:21:34 am)Vi: 1902-09-09 (12:21:34 am) - 1903-09-09 (6:36:00 am)*Li: 1903-09-09 (6:36:00 am) - 1913-09-08 (8:02:40 pm)*Sc: 1913-09-08 (8:02:40 pm) - 1920-09-08 (3:15:29 pm)Sg: 1920-09-08 (3:15:29 pm) - 1930-09-09 (4:37:15 am)Cp: 1930-09-09

(4:37:15 am) - 1936-09-08 (5:43:28 pm)Aq: 1936-09-08 (5:43:28 pm) - 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm)Pi: 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) - 1948-09-08 (7:24:45 pm)Ar: 1948-09-08 (7:24:45 pm) - 1950-09-09 (7:39:14 am)Ta: 1950-09-09 (7:39:14 am) - 1953-09-09 (2:06:09 am)Ge: 1953-09-09 (2:06:09 am) - 1955-09-09 (2:28:06 pm)Cn: 1955-09-09 (2:28:06 pm) - 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm)Le: 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) - 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm)Vi: 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) - 1975-09-09 (5:22:17 pm)Li: 1975-09-09 (5:22:17 pm) - 1977-09-09 (5:42:27 am)Sc: 1977-09-09 (5:42:27 am) - 1982-09-09 (12:33:34 pm)Sg: 1982-09-09 (12:33:34 pm) - 1984-09-09 (12:54:37 am)Cp: 1984-09-09 (12:54:37 am) - 1990-09-09 (1:38:08 pm)Aq: 1990-09-09 (1:38:08 pm) - 1995-09-09 (8:31:10 pm)Pi: 1995-09-09 (8:31:10 pm) - 2002-09-09 (3:26:31 pm)Ar: 2002-09-09 (3:26:31 pm) - 2012-09-09 (5:05:33 am)Ta: 2012-09-09 (5:05:33 am) - 2021-09-09 (12:22:18 pm)Ge:

2021-09-09 (12:22:18 pm) - 2031-09-10 (1:59:56 am)2008/11/12 Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>> Namaste SS,>> Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola dasa sign as> progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th or 2nd) is based on> sound principles.>> * * *>> However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing spiritual> progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When Parasara taught dasas,> he only taught calculations and not judgment. But niryana shoola dasa is an> exception. He talked about judgment as well. He specifically said> "niryaanasya vichaaraartham" , i.e. "for analyzing death", and gave a rule.> He did NOT mention spiritual quest and progress. Sanjay ji made that> suggestion without indicating whether

the suggestion is based on a classic> or teaching of his elders or his own observation.>> In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation between> niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress.>> Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was a doctor> who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India on a pilgrimage> in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got initiated and then renounced> the world. He spent a few years doing sadhana in a small hut infested by> snakes and scorpions. This intense tapascharya culminated in a nirvikalpa> samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to 1928. This> is the dasa that brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual> [non]experience.>> Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna have an> aspect on

Sg.>> Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note happening (along> the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana shoola dasa when the most> intense sadhana and/or the highest spiritual experiences came.>> * * *>> As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the soul's> attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously for spiritual> progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th house shows sadhana.> There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for showing how sadhana> progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana shoola dasa is the one. A dasa> is defined not just by the starting point, but also by the way it> progresses. This dasa may or may not be apt for seeing spiritual progress.>> * * *>> In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more interesting. Drigdasa> of

Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar drigdasa started that> he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa totally transformed his life. If> you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as progressed lagna, you may note that AK> Sun and BK Mercury are in lagna and three planets, including natal 8th lord,> are in the 12th house of moksha.>> * * *>> Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic-

wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->> sohamsa@ .com, "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Narasimha/Rafal,>> Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa - viz.> e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs, taking> 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he

gets> Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher learning.> May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some> writings (A3 in 9th house).>> Best Regards,> SS> >> >> Dear Rafal,> >>> >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress.> >>> >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa is of> >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed lagna> >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in 12th> >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna lord and> >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual life.> >>> >> Best regards,> >> Narasimha> >>> >> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com<sohamsa@ .com>>,>> >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:> >>> >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> >> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar> >> *> >> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual progress was> >> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have association> >> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth and joining> >> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality. ..maybe I have wrong> >> definitins.. but thats my anubhava.> >>> >> October 25, 1982> >> Time:

19:35:30> >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> >> Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"> >>> >> Where I went wrong?> >> *> >> Regards,> >> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> >> www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> >>> >> Sanjay Rath pisze:> >> >> >> > Dear Arpad ji> >> >> >> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one point that> >> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is> >> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on meaning of the> >> > bija and other such things **during the course of the sadhana** ...I>

>> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana Paramhamsa may> >> > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain in great> >> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which have so> >> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has multiple> >> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta. Its all> >> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a flavour,> >> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was in the> >> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really not at> >> > all necessary.> >> >> >> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when nothing> >> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor** and **take> >>

> bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much later, that it> >> > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using warm water> >> > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the nerves while> >> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the weather.> >> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much energy in> >> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or disturbance to the> >> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri but was> >> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great Durga sadhaka> >> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them).> >> >> >> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest and> >> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to

the being. When the dasa rasi> >> > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with the> >> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when the> >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara atmakaraka.> >> >> >> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath> >> >> >> > Maha Dasas:> >> >> >> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07> >> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07> >> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim graha bija)> >> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara> >> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as subhapati in> >> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess> >> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07> >> > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo

antardasa -- Diksha in the Sri> >> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe -- this is> >> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in which she> >> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in chaste> >> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I understood every> >> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak in Puri.> >> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked as I> >> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I decided to> >> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to see what was> >> > transpiring.> >> >> >> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a barrier with God> >> > and it answered my all time question --

What language is God going to> >> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question from my> >> > youth and was answered without even asking.> >> >> >> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07> >> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change permanently. ..so> >> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my major> >> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure to come.> >> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself.> >> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08> >> > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08> >> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08> >> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08> >> >> >> > Sanjay Rath> >

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Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)

Posted by: "Sanjay Rath" sjrath sanjayrath

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Dear RafalThats a nice beginning and well discussed, now go on and finish the entirewriting about your Niryana shula dasha. Analyse Nija dosha and bring outvery clearly how Krishna helped you to overcome so much dosha in theVrschika dasha (see my another mail).Then go to Tula see the deb Sun, exalted Sat and all those jokers afflictingmantresa and see the obstacles. Question is how to overcome these...and alsoquestion is *is any ija dosha being cleansed during this dasa?* Examine thisvery carefully. Then take this to another level by checking the mula dasha and theexperiences of curses by joining the twoBest wishesSanjay Rathsohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf OfRafal

Gendarz12 November 2008 22:31sohamsa@ .comRe: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)om namo bhagavate narasimhayaDear Soul Sadhak, NamaskarThis Sanjayji rule must work, but we just overlook something or areuninformed about the full concept of reading this dasa.Questioning the statements of Parampara can be appreciated in westernculture and science but for branch of Vedanga its justdevastating.For example my Vrscika lord is ishta deva and its yuti Karakaamsa so itsquallified to provide vijnana in that time. WhilstLibra is yuti Brahma (6L from Karakalagna) and Guru AK is weak to provideatmajnana due to weakness of soul (brahma).That is one way out of this predicament. .Regards,Rafal Gendarz ------------ --------- --------http://rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa. com> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comSoul Sadhak pisze: Dear Narasimha,Though 8th hs is indicative of longevity/death, it is also a house of transformation, as you know. Transformation is death of what we were to what we beocme - like a caterpillar turns into a butterfly. If the NSD (Nirayana Shoola Dasa) is seen with this respect, then it may be that the person may undergo tremendous suffering in the period related to AK or Lg - and as Lakshmi said, the line has to be drawn between ordinary and advanced souls - different people may be experiencing the effect of transformation at different levels based on thier own level of spiritual awareness. Spiritually

advanced souls are likely to take this as a call for harnessing these energies and transmute them into the next level of internal changes, while ordinary beings may just wonder about the turmoil they are going through.Well, anyways, only looking at more and more charts can tell whether NSD is applicable so.Best Regards,SSsohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ,"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@ ...> <pvr wrote:>> Namaste,> > I sent prematurely.> > Let me make the last point I wanted to make.> > * * *> > Forget drigdasa. Even Narayana dasa of rasi chart is interesting. The Sg dasa ran from 1920 to 1930. Taking Sg as lagna, 9th house of guidance contains AK and BK and the 8th house is very strong with Mars, Saturn and nodal axis. This suggests that the native may do

intense sadhana in this dasa.> > Though 8th house is important for sadhana, it is not necessary that every dasa based on the 8th house should show sadhana. One can focus on 8th house in other dasas such as Narayana dasa.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst<http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/<http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>/ group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.<http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst<http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan<http://www.SriJagan nath.org> nath.org>

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:49 AM> Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)> > > Namaste SS,> > Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola dasa sign as progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th or 2nd) is based on sound principles.> > * * *> > However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing spiritual progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When Parasara taught dasas, he only taught calculations and not judgment. But niryana shoola dasa is an exception. He talked about judgment as well. He specifically said "niryaanasya vichaaraartham" , i.e. "for

analyzing death", and gave a rule. He did NOT mention spiritual quest and progress. Sanjay ji made that suggestion without indicating whether the suggestion is based on a classic or teaching of his elders or his own observation.> > In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation between niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress.> > Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was a doctor who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India on a pilgrimage in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got initiated and then renounced the world. He spent a few years doing sadhana in a small hut infested by snakes and scorpions. This intense tapascharya culminated in a nirvikalpa samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to 1928. This is the dasa that brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual

[non]experience.> > Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna have an aspect on Sg.> > Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note happening (along the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana shoola dasa when the most intense sadhana and/or the highest spiritual experiences came.> > * * *> > As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the soul's attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously for spiritual progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th house shows sadhana. There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for showing how sadhana progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana shoola dasa is the one. A dasa is defined not just by the starting point, but also by the way it progresses. This dasa may or may not be apt for seeing spiritual progress.> > * *

*> > In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more interesting. Drigdasa of Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar drigdasa started that he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa totally transformed his life. If you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as progressed lagna, you may note that AK Sun and BK Mercury are in lagna and three planets, including natal 8th lord, are in the 12th house of moksha.> > * * *> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst<http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/<http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>/ group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.<http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst<http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>

rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan<http://www.SriJagan nath.org> nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> , "SoulSadhak" <soulsadhak@ > wrote:> > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,> > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa - viz. > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs, taking > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he gets > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher learning.> May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some > writings (A3 in 9th house).>

> Best Regards,> SS> >> >> Dear Rafal,> >> > >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress.> >> > >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa is of > >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed lagna > >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in 12th > >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna lord and > >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual life.> >> > >> Best regards,> >> Narasimha> >> > >> sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> .com <sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> >, > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ >

wrote:> >> > >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> >> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar> >> *> >> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual progress was> >> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have association> >> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth and joining> >> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality. ..maybe I have wrong> >> definitins.. but thats my anubhava.> >> > >> October 25, 1982> >> Time: 19:35:30> >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> >> Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"> >> > >> Where I went wrong?> >> *> >> Regards,> >> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> >> www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> <http://rohinaa. com<http://rohinaa. com> > / email: rafal@> >>> >> Sanjay Rath pisze:> >> >> >> > Dear Arpad ji> >> >> >> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one point that> >> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is> >> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on meaning of the> >> > bija and other such things **during the course of the sadhana** ...I> >> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana Paramhamsa may> >> > have tried to emphasize as

the mantra shastra books explain in great> >> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which have so> >> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has multiple> >> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta. Its all> >> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a flavour,> >> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was in the> >> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really not at> >> > all necessary.> >> >> >> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when nothing> >> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor** and **take> >> > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much later, that it> >>

> was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using warm water> >> > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the nerves while> >> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the weather.> >> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much energy in> >> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or disturbance to the> >> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri but was> >> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great Durga sadhaka> >> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them).> >> >> >> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest and> >> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the dasa rasi> >> >

aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with the> >> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when the > >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara atmakaraka.> >> >> >> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath> >> >> >> > Maha Dasas:> >> >> >> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07> >> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07> >> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim graha bija)> >> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara> >> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as subhapati in> >> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess> >> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07> >> > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha in the

Sri> >> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe -- this is> >> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in which she> >> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in chaste> >> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I understood every> >> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak in Puri.> >> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked as I> >> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I decided to> >> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to see what was> >> > transpiring.> >> >> >> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a barrier with God> >> > and it answered my all time

question -- What language is God going to> >> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question from my> >> > youth and was answered without even asking.> >> >> >> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07> >> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change permanently. ..so> >> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my major> >> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure to come.> >> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself.> >> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08> >> > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08> >> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08> >> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08> >> >> >> > Sanjay Rath>_____ Checked

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Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)

Posted by: "Rafal Gendarz" starsuponme jyotraff

Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:08 am (PST)

*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*Dear Sanjayji, NamaskarHere in fifth/tula we have big predicament. .Shukra and Guru are cursed, Shukra is combusted..its combustion leads to ending the pravrajayoga in years of 23/24 - which was the fact. Guru is weak and its 6L from its position being also brahma and dont have any drsti of a5 or its lord.Now its Shani-Shukra Moola dasa. Both connected to curse and its spiritual weakness. Shukra is 7L with badhakesh from Shastyaamsa giving some weakness coming from relationships. Being in 2 from AL with Guru gives definitely kama-nija-dosha.To overcome this we must strengthen the Surya to decrease Shani and Shukra effect. Surya being PD and DD can indicate Matangi or Sri Rama.Dhanus antardasa was however weak spiritually and its also have the same Ma/Ke, but doesnt have the influence of A5 - does gives the difference or

some position between MD and AD? In other case why Sc Mahadasa was good and Sg AD doesnt provide the similar fruits.CP was much better when I was inspired by Jaimini course to dwell into sadhana more. It has lord of A5, eight bhava and 4 from Karaka Lagna housing the 4L from Karakaamsa.Is it close to what you have suggesting?Regards,Rafal Gendarz------------ --------- --------http://rohinaa. comrafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comSanjay Rath pisze:>> Dear Rafal>> Thats a nice beginning and well discussed, now go on and finish the > entire writing about your Niryana shula dasha. Analyse Nija dosha and > bring out very clearly how Krishna helped you to overcome so much > dosha in the Vrschika dasha (see my another mail).>>

Then go to Tula see the deb Sun, exalted Sat and all those jokers > afflicting mantresa and see the obstacles. Question is how to overcome > these...and also question is **is any ija dosha being cleansed during > this dasa?** Examine this very carefully.>> Then take this to another level by checking the mula dasha and the > experiences of curses by joining the two>> Best wishes>> Sanjay Rath>> >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] > *On Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz> *Sent:* 12 November 2008 22:31> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> *Subject:* Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)>> >> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaskar>> This Sanjayji rule must work, but we just overlook something or are > uninformed about the

full concept of reading this dasa.>> Questioning the statements of Parampara can be appreciated in western > culture and science but for branch of Vedanga its just> devastating.>> For example my Vrscika lord is ishta deva and its yuti Karakaamsa so > its quallified to provide vijnana in that time. Whilst> Libra is yuti Brahma (6L from Karakalagna) and Guru AK is weak to > provide atmajnana due to weakness of soul (brahma).>> That is one way out of this predicament. .>> Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> ------------ --------- --------> http://rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa. com>> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com>>>

Soul Sadhak pisze:>> Dear Narasimha,>> Though 8th hs is indicative of longevity/death, it is also a house of> transformation, as you know. Transformation is death of what we were> to what we beocme - like a caterpillar turns into a butterfly.>> If the NSD (Nirayana Shoola Dasa) is seen with this respect, then it> may be that the person may undergo tremendous suffering in the period> related to AK or Lg - and as Lakshmi said, the line has to be drawn> between ordinary and advanced souls - different people may be> experiencing the effect of transformation at different levels based> on thier own level of spiritual awareness.>> Spiritually advanced souls are likely to take this as a call for> harnessing these energies and transmute them into the next level of> internal changes, while ordinary beings may just wonder about the> turmoil

they are going through.>> Well, anyways, only looking at more and more charts can tell whether> NSD is applicable so.>> Best Regards,> SS>> sohamsa@ .com> <sohamsa% 40. com>, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"> <pvr <pvr@ ...>> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> >> > I sent prematurely.> >> > Let me make the last point I wanted to make.> >> > * * *> >> > Forget drigdasa. Even Narayana dasa of rasi chart is interesting.> The Sg dasa ran from 1920 to 1930. Taking Sg as lagna, 9th house of> guidance contains AK and BK and the 8th house is very strong with> Mars, Saturn and nodal axis. This suggests that the native may do> intense sadhana in this dasa.> >> > Though 8th house is important for

sadhana, it is not necessary that> every dasa based on the 8th house should show sadhana. One can focus> on 8th house in other dasas such as Narayana dasa.> >> > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/> homam <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/> tarpana <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>> > Spirituality: http://groups.

/ group/vedic- wisdom> <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> <http://www.SriJagan

nath.org>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> >> > -> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>> > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:49 AM> > Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)> >> >> > Namaste SS,> >> > Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola> dasa sign as progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th> or 2nd) is based on sound principles.> >> > * * *> >> > However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing> spiritual progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When> Parasara taught dasas, he only taught calculations and not judgment.> But niryana shoola dasa is an

exception. He talked about judgment as> well. He specifically said "niryaanasya vichaaraartham" , i.e. "for> analyzing death", and gave a rule. He did NOT mention spiritual quest> and progress. Sanjay ji made that suggestion without indicating> whether the suggestion is based on a classic or teaching of his> elders or his own observation.> >> > In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation> between niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress.> >> > Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was> a doctor who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India> on a pilgrimage in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got> initiated and then renounced the world. He spent a few years doing> sadhana in a small hut infested by snakes and scorpions. This intense> tapascharya culminated in a

nirvikalpa samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa> of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to 1928. This is the dasa that> brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual [non]experience.> >> > Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna> have an aspect on Sg.> >> > Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note> happening (along the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana> shoola dasa when the most intense sadhana and/or the highest> spiritual experiences came.> >> > * * *> >> > As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the> soul's attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously> for spiritual progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th> house shows sadhana. There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for> showing how sadhana progresses.

However, I am not sure if niryana> shoola dasa is the one. A dasa is defined not just by the starting> point, but also by the way it progresses. This dasa may or may not be> apt for seeing spiritual progress.> >> > * * *> >> > In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more interesting.> Drigdasa of Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar> drigdasa started that he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa> totally transformed his life. If you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as> progressed lagna, you may note that AK Sun and BK Mercury are in> lagna and three planets, including natal 8th lord, are in the 12th> house of moksha.> >> > * * *> >> > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/> homam <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/> tarpana <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> <http://www.SriJagan nath.org>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->> >> > sohamsa@ .com> <sohamsa% 40. com>, "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ >> wrote:> >> > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,> >> > Can a similar

logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa -> viz.> > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs,> taking> > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he> gets> > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher> learning.> > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some> > writings (A3 in 9th house).> >> > Best Regards,> > SS> > >> > >> Dear Rafal,> > >>> > >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress.> > >>> > >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa> is of> > >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed> lagna> > >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in>

12th> > >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna> lord and> > >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual> life.> > >>> > >> Best regards,> > >> Narasimha> > >>> > >> sohamsa@ .com> <sohamsa% 40. com>> <sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>>,> > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:> > >>> > >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > >> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar> > >> *> > >> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual> progress was> > >> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have> association> > >> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst

next dasa of Libra which is fifth> and joining> > >> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality. ..maybe I> have wrong> > >> definitins.. but thats my anubhava.> > >>> > >> October 25, 1982> > >> Time: 19:35:30> > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> > >> Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"> > >>> > >> Where I went wrong?> > >> *> > >> Regards,> > >> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > >> www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com>> <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.

com>> / email: rafal@> > >>> > >> Sanjay Rath pisze:> > >> >> > >> > Dear Arpad ji> > >> >> > >> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one> point that> > >> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is> > >> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on> meaning of the> > >> > bija and other such things **during the course of the> sadhana** ...I> > >> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana> Paramhamsa may> > >> > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain> in great> > >> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which> have so> > >> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija

nighantu has multiple> > >> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva,> Shakta. Its all> > >> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a> flavour,> > >> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was> in the> > >> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really> not at> > >> > all necessary.> > >> >> > >> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when> nothing> > >> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor**> and **take> > >> > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much> later, that it> > >> > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using> warm water> > >> > which soothes as

opposed to cold water that awakens the> nerves while> > >> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the> weather.> > >> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much> energy in> > >> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or> disturbance to the> > >> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri> but was> > >> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great> Durga sadhaka> > >> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them).> > >> >> > >> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest> and> > >> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the> dasa rasi> > >> > aspects the lagna, you will find the

shakti associated with> the> > >> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when> the> > >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara> atmakaraka.> > >> >> > >> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath> > >> >> > >> > Maha Dasas:> > >> >> > >> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07> > >> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07> > >> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim> graha bija)> > >> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara> > >> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as> subhapati in> > >> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess> > >> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07> > >> > Pi:

2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha> in the Sri> > >> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe --> this is> > >> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in> which she> > >> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in> chaste> > >> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I> understood every> > >> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak> in Puri.> > >> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked> as I> > >> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I> decided to> > >> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to> see what was> > >> > transpiring.> > >>

>> > >> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a> barrier with God> > >> > and it answered my all time question -- What language is God> going to> > >> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question> from my> > >> > youth and was answered without even asking.> > >> >> > >> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07> > >> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change> permanently. ..so> > >> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my> major> > >> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure> to come.> > >> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself.> > >> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08> > >> > Cn: 2035-08-08 -

2042-08-08> > >> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08> > >> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08> > >> >> > >> > Sanjay Rath> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com> >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1783 - Release 2008-11-12 10:01 >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->>> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.175 /

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Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

Posted by: "jyothi_b_lakshmi" jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi

Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:46 am (PST)

Dear members,In my experience whenever I passed through Rahu Sub period, (Rahu in 6th(Scorpio) ), there had been an irresistable urge to pursue spiritual interests. May be because Scorpio is a Moksha trine.I think if the 6th house falls in Moksha trine, 6th lord or planets posited in it can trigger spiritual interests. Dont know if I am right. Regards,Jyothisohamsa@ .com, "lakshmikary" <lakshmikary@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> Dear Michal and Rafal.> Yes, everyone who takes birth in material world has to have 'sin'.> And every being has a chart and every chart has dustanas!> Funny isnt it? > So , from your points of view what happens with the 6th house,its occupants and its lord, > in the charts of pure devotees, and

incarnations/ avataras? Is the 6th house ,etc an obstacle > for the pure ones?> Hope we are all on the same page by now.> Best wishes> Lakshmi> I dont have JH uploaded on this computer but perhaps someone who has data and time > frames for incidents in their lives can post details of Lord Rama, Sri Krishnas charts and let > us look at their 6th house and divine lila.Let us learn something.> > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:> >> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > Dear Lakshmi , Namaskar> > *> > So first ascertain based on chart why He was Krishna (like Garga did) > > and then judge the rest of the chart based on that.> > *> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz>

> ------------ --------- --------> > http://rohinaa. com> > rafal@> > > > > > Lakshmi Kary pisze:> > >> > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > Dear Michal,> > > So what are we arguing about????> > >> > > I did NOT say anywhere -that without the person in> > > front of us we can not access it properly.Is that what> > > you are saying?> > >> > > Im simply saying.> > > 1) Do not judge a mundane persons chart by the same> > > view as a spiritual person.> > > Otherwise you are committing an offense.> > > example- look at Krishnas life, born in a prison cell,> > > uncle is a murderer, he spends his life fighting with> > > people,all the ladies and most

people are in love with> > > him, kidnaps a wife, etc. that is 100% mundane vision.> > >> > > 2) Next point -Unless you know who it is and/OR are> > > able to RECTIFY the time of the chart.. then you are> > > just guessing on the varga divisions.> > > Now if you are a competent astrologer, by looking at a> > > "blind" chart you still should be able to look at the> > > rasi and navamsa and have a pretty darn good idea> > > about someone. Who they are ,what they are.> > > (However if a jyotisha has developed his vision> > > through mantra etc he should beable to give a> > > reading,Thats were that extra blessing of ones guru> > > come in handy.)> > >> > > Either way , who ever the chart belongs to the PROCESS> > > for analysis is the same, start with

Lagna,everything> > > follows from there.> > >> > > If you dont have opportunity for accurate data/ability> > > to rectify dates- then use prashna and other nimmita,> > > etc You know this already> > >> > > Best wishes> > > Lakshmi> > >> > > --- Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ > > > <nearmichal% 40> > wrote:> > >> > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > >> > > > Dear Lakshmi,> > > >> > > > Then what do we do if we are just given a chart?> > > > You are saying that without the person who it> > > > belongs to in front of us we cannot assess it> > > > properly.> > > >> > > > Call me a purist, but I believe we should be able

to> > > > just read the chart.> > > >> > > > For that we need proper definitions,> > > >> > > > Respectfully,> > > > Michal> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > > > <lakshmikary %40. com>>> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>> > > > Thursday, 13 November, 2008 7:50:09 AM> > > > Re: 6th house related to> > > > spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > >

> Dear Rafal,> > > > You sound very angry these days, even though- try> > > > not> > > > to be rude when replying to people.> > > >> > > > How and why is my "logic" bad"?PLease elaborate.> > > >> > > > 1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed> > > > in> > > > a different light then average persons. (And that> > > > desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under> > > > any> > > > circumstance)> > > >> > > > 2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and> > > > is> > > > a perfectly appropriate place to start ones> > > > examination of a chart.> > > >> > > > 3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the> > > > person

viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who> > > > and what he is looking at.> > > > It is a matter of vantage point.> > > > ie one average persons 6th house might relate more> > > > to> > > > his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)> > > > whereas a pure devotees "job" is to serve guru and> > > > /or> > > > mission,> > > > and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.> > > >> > > > In a pure devotees/spirituali st/yogi (any lineage)> > > > chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view,> > > > not> > > > view it as mundane person life.> > > >> > > > Where is the issue you have with my "logic"> > > > Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading> > > >

through> > > > my post to begin with..> > > > ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against> > > > any dasa system> > > > best wishes> > > > Lakshmi> > > >> > > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:> > > >> > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*> > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > Your logic is bad.> > > > >> > > > > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position> > > > of> > > > > person (like the> > > > > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for> > > > > sudra/king - Saravali).> > > > >> > > > > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally>

> > > > bad for spirituality.> > > > >> > > > > Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa> > > > > Varga. Sixth bhava in> > > > > Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but> > > > there> > > > > simply must be yoga> > > > > for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga> > > > /even> > > > > sookshma yoga/ like> > > > > in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to> > > > > teach Veda/Vedanga in> > > > > foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > ------------ --------- --------> > > > > http://rohinaa. com> > > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com> > > > >> > > > > Lakshmi Kary pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare Rama Krisna> > > > > > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,> > > > > > I think you have to draw a line between the> > > > > 'average'> > > > > > person who is a spiritual seeker and the> > > > > extraordinary> > > > > > persons.> > > > > >> > > > > > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA> > > > > > trikona.> > > > > >> > > > > > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%> > > > > engaged in> > > > > > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody

like a> > > > > pure> > > > > > devotee ,> > > > > >> > > > > > >then the 6th house becomes a house of> > > > > service/work to> > > > > > guru and mission.> > > > > > Only the really dedicated have given up> > > > > everything,> > > > > > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the> > > > > fruits> > > > > > of their actions to guru/mission.> > > > > > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I> > > > > mean.> > > > > > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct> > > > average> > > > > > person path.> > > > > > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with> > > > > >

differently, often increasing their service and> > > > > > intensity in sadhana.> > > > > > with regards,> > > > > > Lakshmi> > > > > >> > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak> > > > > <soulsadhak% 40> >> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Can a similar logic be made while using> > > > Nirayana> > > > > > > Shoola Dasa - viz.> > > > > > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch> > > > falls> > > > > in> > > > > > > 6th hs, taking> > > > > > > 6th from here as

progressed lagna (will get> > > > > Vrisch> > > > > > > in 8th); he gets> > > > > > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th> > > > > house -> > > > > > > higher learning.> > > > > > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)> > > > > and> > > > > > > also made some> > > > > > > writings (A3 in 9th house).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > > > > SS> > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com> > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>,> > > > > > "Narasimha P.V.R.> > > > > > > Rao" <pvr@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for> > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > progress.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct> > > > 2004.> > > > > > > When drigdasa is of> > > > > > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in> > > > Cn.> > > > > The> > > > > > > progressed lagna> > > > > > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4> > > > > > > planets are in 12th> > > > > > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis> > > > >

contains> > > > > > > lagna lord and> > > > > > > nodes. This stands out as an important period> > > > in> > > > > > > spiritual life.> > > >> > > === message truncated ===> > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> ------> > >> > >> > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1783 - Release 2008-11-12 10:01> > >> > >> >>

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Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic

Posted by: "Partha Sarathy" partvinu partvinu5

Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:13 am (PST)

Hi,I tend to agree that NSD need not be seen for spirituality at all.In Scorpio dasa having AK and BK, except starting to learn astrology, i didnothing special. Also, at that time, i had feelings that astrology is allscience and has nothing to do with spirituality or God. The dasa was infactbad, because i was atheist during the entire 8 years period.Whreas Libra having Pik Rahu, and not having any connection to lagna or AK,and having only a graha drishti of Guru was supposedly more spiritual.Using convoluted logic, i may say Scorpio was more spiritual because ofquestioning God, and questioning everything, but strictly speaking what wasspiritual about it? I am not sure, if i am missing something here.Cp: 1976-12-15 (8:27:06) - 1983-12-16 (3:24:47)Sg: 1983-12-16 (3:24:47) - 1992-12-15 (10:52:16)Sc: 1992-12-15 (10:52:16) - 2000-12-15 (12:10:26)Li: 2000-12-15

(12:10:26) - 2007-12-16 (7:07:38)Vi: 2007-12-16 (7:07:38) - 2016-12-15 (14:34:50)Le: 2016-12-15 (14:34:50) - 2024-12-15 (15:50:49)Cn: 2024-12-15 (15:50:49) - 2031-12-16 (10:53:40)Ge: 2031-12-16 (10:53:40) - 2040-12-15 (18:13:16)Ta: 2040-12-15 (18:13:16) - 2048-12-15 (19:33:01)Ar: 2048-12-15 (19:33:01) - 2055-12-16 (14:38:02)Pi: 2055-12-16 (14:38:02) - 2064-12-15 (21:55:14)Aq: 2064-12-15 (21:55:14) - 2072-12-15 (23:12:58)DOB 15 december, 1976, 8 27 AM, New delhi.regardsparthaOn Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Partha Sarathy <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> Hi>> Since my comp is down at home, can anybody calculate niryana shoola dasa> for me and send it back in text format(i dont have jhora).>> Details> 15 december 1976> Time: 8 27:06> Place: New

Delhi>> regards> partha>>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@ .co. in>wrote:>>> Om Namah Sivaya>>>> Namaste Sri Sanjay,>>>> Thank you very much for clarifying about Vyasa.>> Regarding Sri Rangacharya --> I know his home address and I would be>> very much glad, if anything I could do in that regard.>>>> Seeking your Blessings,>>>> warm regards,>> Shanmukha>>>> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>, "Sanjay Rath">> <sjrath wrote:>> >>> > Namaste Shanmukha>> >>> > I will be

precise and to the point –>> >>> > 1. The topic was about dating Parasara as in BPHS. I think you>> have>> > deviated and mixed with Vriddhas here.>> > 2. There is a different Vyasa for each Yuga and for the present>> Sri>> > Krishna Dwaipaayana is the Vyasa. Even Parashara was a Vyasa for a>> previous>> > Yuga. So to that extent the statement you make is right but here>> we are only>> > talking of Krishna Dwaipayana when we talk of Vyaasa. The Brahma>> Tejas of>> > Krishna Dwaipaayana Vyasa and the Kshatra tejas of Ganga putra>> Bheeshma>> > re-established the Vedas in the beginning of the Yuga when the>> sabha was>> > established and under the explicit directions of Vyasa the Vedas>> were>> > written. Here Jaimini was in charge of

the Sama Veda and is a>> sishya of>> > Vyasa Sri Krishna Dwaipayana. The author of the Jaimini Upadesa>> Sutras and>> > the recorder of the Sama Veda are one and the same, for it is His>> authority>> > as the sishya of Vyasa to give them. As to when this was finally>> written>> > down is another issue.>> > 3. That point about Sri Rangacharya where he proved Nilakantha>>>> > wrong...thats why I call him brilliant. I have read every article>> of Sri>> > Rangacharya and every book of his. I hope to meet with him>> sometime and pay>> > my respects.>> >>> > Thank you for sharing and being clear about why you are not>> willing to share>> > everything as you are not clear about what he said.>> >>> > Best wishes and

blessings of Sri Jagannatha that you may find the>> real light>> > of Jyotish,>> >>> > Sanjay Rath>> >>> >>> >>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com> [>> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>] On>> Behalf Of>> > Shanmukha>> > 06 November 2008 22:19>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>>> > Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri Sanjay>> >>> >>> >>> > Om Namah Sivaya>> > Namste Sri

Sanjay,>> > I am writing my replies to the points raised by you at appropriate>> > places.>> > Seeking your Blessings,>> > Shanmukha>> >>> > >>>Sanjay :Views and scholarly>> >>> > Shanmukha : I admit that my views are neither scholarly and nor I>> > wish they do. I wanted to put forth only my humble views since I>> am>> > neither Sanskrit scholar nor Jyotisha.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay :The present version of the BPHS is written in modern>> > Sanskrit after broken and piecemeal verses were obtained through>> > painstaking effort by Sri Jha. The language does not match that of>> > Parasara in the Rik Veda and scholars, if they actually use the>> > language for dating, will surely find Parasara to be a more recent>> >

work as compared to Jaimini. Point is that the Sanskrit versus>> were>> > finalised y Sri Jha and these are really the closest he could>> > get...and we thank him for this great service to mankind. In view>> of>> > this, it is impossible to date BPHS based on the present available>> > Sanskrit verses in print. Dating can only be done based on other>> > works like Vishnu Purana (Maitreya and Parasara discussion just as>> in>> > BPHS).>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : Well, You admit that BPHS was written in modern>> > Sanskrit by Sri Jha ( I presume it is Sitaram Jha). Thank you very>> > much for the information. All these days I was in an impression>> that>> > somebody might have written this modern BPHS. Yes, indeed, we must>> > thank him for his great

scholarly service. You said, ¡§These are>> > really the closest he could get¡K.¡¨. Could you kindly explain to>> the>> > benefit of readers as to closest to what? To the piecemeal>> > manuscripts of Parasara Hora. But, to the best of my knowledge,>> > Vriddha Karika slokas are never adulterated and they are available>> in>> > perfect form in works like Jaimini Padyamritam, I believe.>> >>> > I think you know some scholars do consider Vyasa is not one single>> > man. They consider Krishna Dwaipayana is the Vyasa who wrote Maha>> > Bharata. But the work of dividing Vedas has done by a no. of>> Vyayas.>> > In fact they consider Vyasa is like a Peethadhipati. This is the>> view>> > of a scholar I came across. But, others can trash it. The point is>> > dating

of Parasara Hora by just looking at the mere discussion in>> > Guru ¡V Sishya style in comparison with Vsishnu Purana, doen¡¦t>> look>> > sound. But considering Parasara as the great seer who compiled the>> > all-astrological principles is more logical to me, and all his>> > principles works well. Since you are a Guru, I can¡¦t talk more on>> > this issue.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay : You can consider to share at least what he told you>> about>> > CK if it is different from his book. Is it an extension or is it>> > grossly different? I would wonder why he would do such a thing ¡V>> give>> > something in print and teach another thing unless it is a more>> > detailed extension of what is in the book. Given the scholarly>> > approach of Sri Rangacharya, it is unlikely

the deviation would be>> a>> > gross violation of his own teachings unless he has very sound>> reasons>> > to do so. Kindly elucidate this.>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry if I seem to be saying that Sri>> > Rangacharya contradicts himself. Why I didn¡¦t share the teaching>> of>> > his is, for the fact that has not clearly understood/ convinced by>> > me. So, I refrained myself from stating that for the very reason>> that>> > it would amounts to putting my words into his mouth. Such, a half->> > baked knowledge of mine will definitely corrupt the essence of the>> > discussion.>> >>> > I request all not to make this an issue and I sincerely apologize>> for>> > creating an impression that way. I am withdrawing those

sentences.>> I>> > would try my best to get the opinion of Sri Rangacharya regarding>> > this issue. I wish learned members can understand how much an>> > engineer like me without any traditional parampara knowledge of>> > Astrology could understand with a couple (literally two) meetings>> > with Sri Rangacharya. In fact I recommend readers to study his>> book>> > Jaimini Sutramritam at least ten times to understand what he>> really>> > mean, that too only the Sanskrit commentary.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay :That is one view. Another view is that * if Rahu>> becomes>> > the chara AK, it can give the consciousness necessary to be always>> > aware of this bandhana and this awareness, or constant alertness>> > about the bandhana leads to the spiritual realisation

of moksha*.>> > Then also there are thoughts about houses to see for this bandhana>> > and moksha, which is really a deeper understanding of argala.>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : This is again a view. Personally I also admit the>> > above view also logical.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay :Thank you for admitting that Pitri Karaka was mentioned>> in>> > one of the manuscripts you saw.>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : You are welcome.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay : Sri Rangacharya¡¦s book is extremely good and is>> strongly>> > recommended.>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much. It is indeed your scholarly>> > gesture.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay : Sruti and Smriti: I am a bit confused about what

you>> are>> > referring to as Sruti out here. Purana, Itihasa etc are the Smriti>> > and the Vedas are the Sruti. So where does Sruti and smriti>> > comparison come into the picture? Although most people follow the>> > Vriddha karika *blindly*, I always try to teach with the>> underlying>> > principle. Now you agree that the 8th house principle is not from>> > thin air or some meditation process but by definite mathematical>> > derivation. If I had not shown this, everyone would have continued>> to>> > believe tat this came from simple meditation and special sadhana...>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : Yes, Vedas are the Sruti, and Purana, Ithihasas are>> > Smruti. The point I want to make clear is that Vriddha karikas>> must>> > be given preference to any

commentary as Sruti is given preference>> to>> > all.>> >>> > Yes, I follow Vriddha Karikas blindly. I may not understand the>> > underlying principle behind those karikas as I am really a>> beginner.>> > But, I have full faith in them. Could you show one instance where>> > any scholar or commentator ever proved / tried to prove Vriddha>> > Karikas wrong. I would be very happy to learn and correct myself.>> As>> > far as I know they could stand up the test of time and scholars>> like>> > Sri Rangacharya, Sri Sanjay Rath and Sri Narasimha prove from time>> to>> > time that they work well, though they take different routes but>> > ultimately everything is there in Vriddhas. Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha>> > Vadanthi.>> >>> > Kindly

refer to your sentence itself elsewhere in your mail>> > ¡§I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu when two>> planets>> > are in the same degree works well (...but this is logically>> possible>> > for 7 CK scheme only).>> >>> > In fact, Sri Rangacharya proved how Sammukha sign for dual sign is>> > different from what is given by Neelakantha. He took the verses>> from>> > vriddha karaka itself, to prove how Neelakantha was wrong.>> > Meditation and Sadhana is very important to correctly decipher the>> > real meaning of any sasthra.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay : Krishna Mishra uses Lagnamsaka dasa as Ayur dasha...so>> > many people even use Vimsottari dasa as Ayur dasha for timing>> various>> > death events. Are they all wrong? Do you use

Vimshottari for>> timing>> > death? Point is do not restrict if you have a reason and logic to>> > believe that it is not restrictive. What about Pada-nathamsha>> dasha?>> > There are many opinions out there also. Are the words of Tajik>> > Nilakantha and a few others to be taken blindly or are they to be>> > tested against available literature of the Rishi¡¦s? I follow the>> path>> > of testing everything before using it. You are welcome to what you>> > think is right.>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : As I said earlier I am beginner and I am not trying>> to>> > hide out stating this. I can¡¦t comment on all the astrological>> > pointers, I was clearly mentioning only about Jaimini pointers. I>> > wrote elsewhere in the same mail that one should resolve

with>> > scientific approach and practical examples.>> > I know one scholar brought out a book on Mandooka dasa as>> advocated>> > by K.N.Rao and used it as phalita dasa. Well, She is not a layman,>> > she was well educated, from traditional family and could win gold>> > medal in ICAS exam at age of 60+ years. So the bottom line is that>> > Astrologers could see every thing with each dasa. I very sorry if>> I>> > hurt any body.>> >>> > Since you mentioned about Pada nadhamsa dasa, I wish to mention>> that>> > Krishna Mishra himself didn¡¦t resolve it. Yes, every astrological>> > principle must be tested. But against what? You say that against>> > literature of Rishis. You treat available literature of Rishis as>> the>> > reference, I take Vriddha

karikas are the reference to the Jaimini>> > Astrology. I know this is subjective.>> >>> > I too follow the test of everything except the literature of>> Rishis.>> > In fact I have been working on Chara Dasa given by Rahava Bhatta>> and>> > Nrisimha Suri in their commentaries and find it works wonderfully>> for>> > timing events like marriage.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay : Rashi Dristi, Padas! For heaven¡¦s sake please read>> BPHS>> > in its available version befpre commenting on Padas, Rashi Drishti>> > etc. I do not argue on this as many published books are readily>> > available.>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry for using a Telugu slang. The>> > word ¡§Parasari¡¨, I wrote, is not a TYPO, but is a slang

in>> Telugu>> > which means „³ ¡§belongs to Parasara system¡¨.>> > Well, when the author of present modern available BPHS itself is>> > debated, I find reading wonderful Jaimini Sutras to learn>> principles>> > like Rasi drishti, Padas etc is the best option. My point here is>> why>> > classical literature like Jataka Parijata, Phala Deepika etc.>> never>> > dealt these principles. Do you think they don¡¦t have the Parasara>> > Hora available to them, or they considered worth not taking those>> > principles?>> >>> > Then, why don¡¦t anybody out here openly discuss/ disclose those>> > relevant karikas and those verses from those commentators who>> > practiced only Rasi drishtis, Rasi dasas etc. Instead , I find>> some>> >

learned scholars always refer to Parampara instead of quoting the>> > Karikas and commentaries. I never find you (sanjay) doing so. Does>> > anybody here consider it is not worth discussing those>> commentaries?>> > Most of the scholars who write those wonderful expositions of>> Jaimini>> > principles ever tried to learn what Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri>> > etc. have to say about these systems. I admit that a lot of>> knowledge>> > is available in traditional paramapars and also with native>> > astrologers living in small remote villages. I know very well that>> > you are great Jyotisha, and studied all those karikas and>> > commentaries. But, how many others here did that. I also admit>> that>> > you are probably, the first person to openly share that Paramapara>> >

knowledge. Thank you very much.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay : BPHS as Vriddha Karika! No BPHS cannot be taken as a>> > Vriddha Karika. If you say it can be, then you have to give some>> > solid reasons for the deviation.>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : I am generally telling that BPHS can be considered>> as>> > Vriddha Karika keeping view that whatever has been said in BPHS>> > regarding the issue can be considered. If you feel the other way,>> you>> > are welcome.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay : Now on the CK¡¦s: If Jaimini does not take MK and PuK>> as>> > one then you should have Eight CK not seven...I am missing your>> logic.>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : The relevant Jaimini Sutra reads as " Atmadhika>> >

Kaladirnabhoga Saptanaam Asthanam Va". It means Sage is saying>> that>> > the planet which has more degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma>> > Karaka. Well, if one thinks that Jaimini asking us to consider the>> > planet having more degrees out of 7 or 8 Karakas, doesn't hold>> good.>> > Since, in the ensuing sutras he speaks about each every karaka by>> > name, it is not necessary that sage telling the no. of chara>> karakas>> > to be considered. If one thinks that Sage indeed did that, then it>> is>> > dishonoring brevity the Sage follows. Jaimini never wastes even a>> > letter; forget about a word, in his cryptic upadesa sutras. Each>> and>> > every word the great Sage speaks of has a very specific purpose>> and>> > distinct meaning. This is my humble

view.>> >>> > Well, my Logic here is>> >>> > The planet having most Degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma>> karaka.>> > This is my understanding and if you feel this is not scholarly, I>> > seek your blessings. I am not a Sanskrit scholar. The Sage>> doesn¡¦t>> > tell more than that. Then we must see whether vriddha karika has>> > anything to say. Fortunately, Vriddha karika tells the application>> of>> > this sutra.>> > It can be deduced the other way if we don¡¦t consider the>> vriddhas,>> > which doesn¡¦t amuse anybody here. If you go by literal menaing of>> the>> > above sutra, we find the following>> > Bhaga „³ Degrees Kala „³ Minutes, Vikala „³ Seconds. So, Atma>> > karaka is the planet, which is having

more minutes. Now, the other>> > way of interpretation which sounds logical. If you look at the>> word>> > Kalaadi, we can deduce that Atma karaka is the planet, which has>> more>> > DMS (Degrees, Minutes, Seconds etc.). Then this entire problem>> gets>> > solved.>> >>> > So as you said we shall continuously test the principles with>> > practical examples.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay : Would like me to refer to some dictums about Rajayoga>> > coming from the combinations of AK and Putra karaka? What happens>> to>> > Putra Karaka?>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : Putra Karaka is very much there in the 7 CK scheme.>> > The karaka missing is Pitri Karaka. So the raja yoga from the>> > combination of AK and PK are valid in this

scheme also.>> >>> > >>>Sanjay : What is the reason (grateful for any references) for>> > taking different rules for karakas being in same degrees...you>> have>> > given different rules for AK + AmK, then different for>> others...what>> > is the reference or reason for doing this?>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : The reason is very fact that we don¡¦t find sthira>> > karaka for AK and AmK. I have given the reference there in the>> mail>> > itself, vide the Vriddha Karaika sloka. It clearly mentions that>> Swa>> > Karaka (Atma Karaka) never gets omitted in Antya Karaka Lopa>> Scheme.>> > So, there no question of Chara Karaka Parivartana ( or>> replacement)>> > either by Sthira Karaka or any other Karaka. So, it seems Sri>>

> Rangacharya took Naisargika bala planet out of AK and AmK as Atma>> > Karaka when AK and AmK are at same degree.>> >>> >>> > >>>Sanjay : I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu>> when>> > two planets are in the same degree works well (...but this is>> > logically possible for 7 CK scheme only).>> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much for stating the fact.>> >>>>> >>>>

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Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic

Posted by: "Sanjay Prabhakaran" sanjaychettiar sanjayprabhakaran

Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:34 am (PST)

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Partha and Jyotishas,I am also just experimenting with something Guruji suggested. So let me givemy opinion here,Actually your NSD dasa starts from Cp which is second house so the 8th housewill the 7th from dasa sign.In Sc Dasa your progressed 8th is in Taurus is the 6th house having no muchconnection to Sun except for Graha Drishti.In Libra Dasa your progressed 8th is in Aries. Now, Aries lord mars isconjoined Ak Sun and Aries also aspects your Sun+Mars conjunction in Sc. Sothe spiritual progress can be said to be there.BTW, Have your all noticed that the irrespective of whether the dasa startsfrom 2nd or 8th the duration of each dasa remains the same. And also theprogressed 8th house is at the same place. It's as though "Start dasa from2nd or 8th" looks redundant. But if you want to apply the Saturn/Ketuexception then this

would come handy I suppose.Warm RegardsSanjay P.2008/11/13 Partha Sarathy <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Hi,>> I tend to agree that NSD need not be seen for spirituality at all.>> In Scorpio dasa having AK and BK, except starting to learn astrology, i did> nothing special. Also, at that time, i had feelings that astrology is all> science and has nothing to do with spirituality or God. The dasa was infact> bad, because i was atheist during the entire 8 years period.>> Whreas Libra having Pik Rahu, and not having any connection to lagna or AK,> and having only a graha drishti of Guru was supposedly more spiritual.> Using convoluted logic, i may say Scorpio was more spiritual because of> questioning God, and questioning everything, but strictly speaking what was>

spiritual about it? I am not sure, if i am missing something here.>>> Cp: 1976-12-15 (8:27:06) - 1983-12-16 (3:24:47)> Sg: 1983-12-16 (3:24:47) - 1992-12-15 (10:52:16)> Sc: 1992-12-15 (10:52:16) - 2000-12-15 (12:10:26)> Li: 2000-12-15 (12:10:26) - 2007-12-16 (7:07:38)> Vi: 2007-12-16 (7:07:38) - 2016-12-15 (14:34:50)> Le: 2016-12-15 (14:34:50) - 2024-12-15 (15:50:49)> Cn: 2024-12-15 (15:50:49) - 2031-12-16 (10:53:40)> Ge: 2031-12-16 (10:53:40) - 2040-12-15 (18:13:16)> Ta: 2040-12-15 (18:13:16) - 2048-12-15 (19:33:01)> Ar: 2048-12-15 (19:33:01) - 2055-12-16 (14:38:02)> Pi: 2055-12-16 (14:38:02) - 2064-12-15 (21:55:14)> Aq: 2064-12-15 (21:55:14) - 2072-12-15 (23:12:58)>> DOB 15 december, 1976, 8 27 AM, New delhi.>>>> regards> partha> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Partha Sarathy <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT) com>wrote:>>> Hi>>>> Since my comp is down at home, can anybody calculate niryana shoola dasa>> for me and send it back in text format(i dont have jhora).>>>> Details>> 15 december 1976>> Time: 8 27:06>> Place: New Delhi>>>> regards>> partha>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@ .co. in>wrote:>>>>> Om Namah Sivaya>>>>>> Namaste Sri Sanjay,>>>>>> Thank you very much for clarifying about Vyasa.>>> Regarding Sri Rangacharya --> I know his home address and I would be>>> very much glad, if

anything I could do in that regard.>>>>>> Seeking your Blessings,>>>>>> warm regards,>>> Shanmukha>>>>>>>>> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>, "Sanjay>>> Rath" <sjrath wrote:>>> >>>> > Namaste Shanmukha>>> >>>> > I will be precise and to the point â€“>>> >>>> > 1. The topic was about dating Parasara as in BPHS. I think you>>> have>>> > deviated and mixed with Vriddhas here.>>> > 2. There is a different Vyasa for each Yuga and for the present>>> Sri>>> > Krishna Dwaipaayana is the Vyasa. Even Parashara was a Vyasa for a>>>

previous>>> > Yuga. So to that extent the statement you make is right but here>>> we are only>>> > talking of Krishna Dwaipayana when we talk of Vyaasa. The Brahma>>> Tejas of>>> > Krishna Dwaipaayana Vyasa and the Kshatra tejas of Ganga putra>>> Bheeshma>>> > re-established the Vedas in the beginning of the Yuga when the>>> sabha was>>> > established and under the explicit directions of Vyasa the Vedas>>> were>>> > written. Here Jaimini was in charge of the Sama Veda and is a>>> sishya of>>> > Vyasa Sri Krishna Dwaipayana. The author of the Jaimini Upadesa>>> Sutras and>>> > the recorder of the Sama Veda are one and the same, for it is His>>> authority>>> > as the sishya of Vyasa to give them. As to when this

was finally>>> written>>> > down is another issue.>>> > 3. That point about Sri Rangacharya where he proved Nilakantha>>>>>> > wrong...thats why I call him brilliant. I have read every article>>> of Sri>>> > Rangacharya and every book of his. I hope to meet with him>>> sometime and pay>>> > my respects.>>> >>>> > Thank you for sharing and being clear about why you are not>>> willing to share>>> > everything as you are not clear about what he said.>>> >>>> > Best wishes and blessings of Sri Jagannatha that you may find the>>> real light>>> > of Jyotish,>>> >>>> > Sanjay Rath>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com> [>>> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>] On>>> Behalf Of>>> > Shanmukha>>> > 06 November 2008 22:19>>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>>>> > Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri Sanjay>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > Om Namah Sivaya>>> > Namste Sri Sanjay,>>> > I am writing my replies to the points raised by you at appropriate>>> > places.>>> > Seeking your Blessings,>>>

> Shanmukha>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay :Views and scholarly>>> >>>> > Shanmukha : I admit that my views are neither scholarly and nor I>>> > wish they do. I wanted to put forth only my humble views since I>>> am>>> > neither Sanskrit scholar nor Jyotisha.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay :The present version of the BPHS is written in modern>>> > Sanskrit after broken and piecemeal verses were obtained through>>> > painstaking effort by Sri Jha. The language does not match that of>>> > Parasara in the Rik Veda and scholars, if they actually use the>>> > language for dating, will surely find Parasara to be a more recent>>> > work as compared to Jaimini. Point is that the Sanskrit versus>>> were>>> > finalised

y Sri Jha and these are really the closest he could>>> > get...and we thank him for this great service to mankind. In view>>> of>>> > this, it is impossible to date BPHS based on the present available>>> > Sanskrit verses in print. Dating can only be done based on other>>> > works like Vishnu Purana (Maitreya and Parasara discussion just as>>> in>>> > BPHS).>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : Well, You admit that BPHS was written in modern>>> > Sanskrit by Sri Jha ( I presume it is Sitaram Jha). Thank you very>>> > much for the information. All these days I was in an impression>>> that>>> > somebody might have written this modern BPHS. Yes, indeed, we must>>> > thank him for his great scholarly service. You said, Â¡Â§These

are>>> > really the closest he could getÂ¡K.Â¡Â¨. Could you kindly explain to>>> the>>> > benefit of readers as to closest to what? To the piecemeal>>> > manuscripts of Parasara Hora. But, to the best of my knowledge,>>> > Vriddha Karika slokas are never adulterated and they are available>>> in>>> > perfect form in works like Jaimini Padyamritam, I believe.>>> >>>> > I think you know some scholars do consider Vyasa is not one single>>> > man. They consider Krishna Dwaipayana is the Vyasa who wrote Maha>>> > Bharata. But the work of dividing Vedas has done by a no. of>>> Vyayas.>>> > In fact they consider Vyasa is like a Peethadhipati. This is the>>> view>>> > of a scholar I came across. But, others can trash it. The point

is>>> > dating of Parasara Hora by just looking at the mere discussion in>>> > Guru Â¡V Sishya style in comparison with Vsishnu Purana, doenÂ¡Â¦t>>> look>>> > sound. But considering Parasara as the great seer who compiled the>>> > all-astrological principles is more logical to me, and all his>>> > principles works well. Since you are a Guru, I canÂ¡Â¦t talk more on>>> > this issue.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay : You can consider to share at least what he told you>>> about>>> > CK if it is different from his book. Is it an extension or is it>>> > grossly different? I would wonder why he would do such a thing Â¡V>>> give>>> > something in print and teach another thing unless it is a more>>> > detailed extension of

what is in the book. Given the scholarly>>> > approach of Sri Rangacharya, it is unlikely the deviation would be>>> a>>> > gross violation of his own teachings unless he has very sound>>> reasons>>> > to do so. Kindly elucidate this.>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry if I seem to be saying that Sri>>> > Rangacharya contradicts himself. Why I didnÂ¡Â¦t share the teaching>>> of>>> > his is, for the fact that has not clearly understood/ convinced by>>> > me. So, I refrained myself from stating that for the very reason>>> that>>> > it would amounts to putting my words into his mouth. Such, a half->>> > baked knowledge of mine will definitely corrupt the essence of the>>> > discussion.>>>

>>>> > I request all not to make this an issue and I sincerely apologize>>> for>>> > creating an impression that way. I am withdrawing those sentences.>>> I>>> > would try my best to get the opinion of Sri Rangacharya regarding>>> > this issue. I wish learned members can understand how much an>>> > engineer like me without any traditional parampara knowledge of>>> > Astrology could understand with a couple (literally two) meetings>>> > with Sri Rangacharya. In fact I recommend readers to study his>>> book>>> > Jaimini Sutramritam at least ten times to understand what he>>> really>>> > mean, that too only the Sanskrit commentary.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay :That is one view. Another view is that * if Rahu>>>

becomes>>> > the chara AK, it can give the consciousness necessary to be always>>> > aware of this bandhana and this awareness, or constant alertness>>> > about the bandhana leads to the spiritual realisation of moksha*.>>> > Then also there are thoughts about houses to see for this bandhana>>> > and moksha, which is really a deeper understanding of argala.>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : This is again a view. Personally I also admit the>>> > above view also logical.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay :Thank you for admitting that Pitri Karaka was mentioned>>> in>>> > one of the manuscripts you saw.>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : You are welcome.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay : Sri RangacharyaÂ¡Â¦s book

is extremely good and is>>> strongly>>> > recommended.>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much. It is indeed your scholarly>>> > gesture.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay : Sruti and Smriti: I am a bit confused about what you>>> are>>> > referring to as Sruti out here. Purana, Itihasa etc are the Smriti>>> > and the Vedas are the Sruti. So where does Sruti and smriti>>> > comparison come into the picture? Although most people follow the>>> > Vriddha karika *blindly*, I always try to teach with the>>> underlying>>> > principle. Now you agree that the 8th house principle is not from>>> > thin air or some meditation process but by definite mathematical>>> > derivation. If I had not shown this, everyone

would have continued>>> to>>> > believe tat this came from simple meditation and special sadhana...>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : Yes, Vedas are the Sruti, and Purana, Ithihasas are>>> > Smruti. The point I want to make clear is that Vriddha karikas>>> must>>> > be given preference to any commentary as Sruti is given preference>>> to>>> > all.>>> >>>> > Yes, I follow Vriddha Karikas blindly. I may not understand the>>> > underlying principle behind those karikas as I am really a>>> beginner.>>> > But, I have full faith in them. Could you show one instance where>>> > any scholar or commentator ever proved / tried to prove Vriddha>>> > Karikas wrong. I would be very happy to learn and correct

myself.>>> As>>> > far as I know they could stand up the test of time and scholars>>> like>>> > Sri Rangacharya, Sri Sanjay Rath and Sri Narasimha prove from time>>> to>>> > time that they work well, though they take different routes but>>> > ultimately everything is there in Vriddhas. Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha>>> > Vadanthi.>>> >>>> > Kindly refer to your sentence itself elsewhere in your mail>>> > Â¡Â§I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu when two>>> planets>>> > are in the same degree works well (...but this is logically>>> possible>>> > for 7 CK scheme only).>>> >>>> > In fact, Sri Rangacharya proved how Sammukha sign for dual sign is>>> > different from what is given

by Neelakantha. He took the verses>>> from>>> > vriddha karaka itself, to prove how Neelakantha was wrong.>>> > Meditation and Sadhana is very important to correctly decipher the>>> > real meaning of any sasthra.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay : Krishna Mishra uses Lagnamsaka dasa as Ayur dasha...so>>> > many people even use Vimsottari dasa as Ayur dasha for timing>>> various>>> > death events. Are they all wrong? Do you use Vimshottari for>>> timing>>> > death? Point is do not restrict if you have a reason and logic to>>> > believe that it is not restrictive. What about Pada-nathamsha>>> dasha?>>> > There are many opinions out there also. Are the words of Tajik>>> > Nilakantha and a few others to be taken blindly or are they to

be>>> > tested against available literature of the RishiÂ¡Â¦s? I follow the>>> path>>> > of testing everything before using it. You are welcome to what you>>> > think is right.>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : As I said earlier I am beginner and I am not trying>>> to>>> > hide out stating this. I canÂ¡Â¦t comment on all the astrological>>> > pointers, I was clearly mentioning only about Jaimini pointers. I>>> > wrote elsewhere in the same mail that one should resolve with>>> > scientific approach and practical examples.>>> > I know one scholar brought out a book on Mandooka dasa as>>> advocated>>> > by K.N.Rao and used it as phalita dasa. Well, She is not a layman,>>> > she was well educated, from traditional family

and could win gold>>> > medal in ICAS exam at age of 60+ years. So the bottom line is that>>> > Astrologers could see every thing with each dasa. I very sorry if>>> I>>> > hurt any body.>>> >>>> > Since you mentioned about Pada nadhamsa dasa, I wish to mention>>> that>>> > Krishna Mishra himself didnÂ¡Â¦t resolve it. Yes, every astrological>>> > principle must be tested. But against what? You say that against>>> > literature of Rishis. You treat available literature of Rishis as>>> the>>> > reference, I take Vriddha karikas are the reference to the Jaimini>>> > Astrology. I know this is subjective.>>> >>>> > I too follow the test of everything except the literature of>>> Rishis.>>> > In fact I

have been working on Chara Dasa given by Rahava Bhatta>>> and>>> > Nrisimha Suri in their commentaries and find it works wonderfully>>> for>>> > timing events like marriage.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay : Rashi Dristi, Padas! For heavenÂ¡Â¦s sake please read>>> BPHS>>> > in its available version befpre commenting on Padas, Rashi Drishti>>> > etc. I do not argue on this as many published books are readily>>> > available.>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry for using a Telugu slang. The>>> > word Â¡Â§ParasariÂ¡Â¨, I wrote, is not a TYPO, but is a slang in>>> Telugu>>> > which means â€žÂ³ Â¡Â§belongs to Parasara systemÂ¡Â¨.>>> > Well, when the author of present modern available

BPHS itself is>>> > debated, I find reading wonderful Jaimini Sutras to learn>>> principles>>> > like Rasi drishti, Padas etc is the best option. My point here is>>> why>>> > classical literature like Jataka Parijata, Phala Deepika etc.>>> never>>> > dealt these principles. Do you think they donÂ¡Â¦t have the Parasara>>> > Hora available to them, or they considered worth not taking those>>> > principles?>>> >>>> > Then, why donÂ¡Â¦t anybody out here openly discuss/ disclose those>>> > relevant karikas and those verses from those commentators who>>> > practiced only Rasi drishtis, Rasi dasas etc. Instead , I find>>> some>>> > learned scholars always refer to Parampara instead of quoting the>>> > Karikas and

commentaries. I never find you (sanjay) doing so. Does>>> > anybody here consider it is not worth discussing those>>> commentaries?>>> > Most of the scholars who write those wonderful expositions of>>> Jaimini>>> > principles ever tried to learn what Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri>>> > etc. have to say about these systems. I admit that a lot of>>> knowledge>>> > is available in traditional paramapars and also with native>>> > astrologers living in small remote villages. I know very well that>>> > you are great Jyotisha, and studied all those karikas and>>> > commentaries. But, how many others here did that. I also admit>>> that>>> > you are probably, the first person to openly share that Paramapara>>> > knowledge. Thank you very

much.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay : BPHS as Vriddha Karika! No BPHS cannot be taken as a>>> > Vriddha Karika. If you say it can be, then you have to give some>>> > solid reasons for the deviation.>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : I am generally telling that BPHS can be considered>>> as>>> > Vriddha Karika keeping view that whatever has been said in BPHS>>> > regarding the issue can be considered. If you feel the other way,>>> you>>> > are welcome.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay : Now on the CKÂ¡Â¦s: If Jaimini does not take MK and PuK>>> as>>> > one then you should have Eight CK not seven...I am missing your>>> logic.>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : The relevant Jaimini Sutra

reads as " Atmadhika>>> > Kaladirnabhoga Saptanaam Asthanam Va". It means Sage is saying>>> that>>> > the planet which has more degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma>>> > Karaka. Well, if one thinks that Jaimini asking us to consider the>>> > planet having more degrees out of 7 or 8 Karakas, doesn't hold>>> good.>>> > Since, in the ensuing sutras he speaks about each every karaka by>>> > name, it is not necessary that sage telling the no. of chara>>> karakas>>> > to be considered. If one thinks that Sage indeed did that, then it>>> is>>> > dishonoring brevity the Sage follows. Jaimini never wastes even a>>> > letter; forget about a word, in his cryptic upadesa sutras. Each>>> and>>> > every word the great Sage speaks of has a very

specific purpose>>> and>>> > distinct meaning. This is my humble view.>>> >>>> > Well, my Logic here is>>> >>>> > The planet having most Degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma>>> karaka.>>> > This is my understanding and if you feel this is not scholarly, I>>> > seek your blessings. I am not a Sanskrit scholar. The Sage>>> doesnÂ¡Â¦t>>> > tell more than that. Then we must see whether vriddha karika has>>> > anything to say. Fortunately, Vriddha karika tells the application>>> of>>> > this sutra.>>> > It can be deduced the other way if we donÂ¡Â¦t consider the>>> vriddhas,>>> > which doesnÂ¡Â¦t amuse anybody here. If you go by literal menaing of>>> the>>> > above

sutra, we find the following>>> > Bhaga â€žÂ³ Degrees Kala â€žÂ³ Minutes, Vikala â€žÂ³ Seconds. So, Atma>>> > karaka is the planet, which is having more minutes. Now, the other>>> > way of interpretation which sounds logical. If you look at the>>> word>>> > Kalaadi, we can deduce that Atma karaka is the planet, which has>>> more>>> > DMS (Degrees, Minutes, Seconds etc.). Then this entire problem>>> gets>>> > solved.>>> >>>> > So as you said we shall continuously test the principles with>>> > practical examples.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay : Would like me to refer to some dictums about Rajayoga>>> > coming from the combinations of AK and Putra karaka? What happens>>> to>>> > Putra

Karaka?>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : Putra Karaka is very much there in the 7 CK scheme.>>> > The karaka missing is Pitri Karaka. So the raja yoga from the>>> > combination of AK and PK are valid in this scheme also.>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay : What is the reason (grateful for any references) for>>> > taking different rules for karakas being in same degrees...you>>> have>>> > given different rules for AK + AmK, then different for>>> others...what>>> > is the reference or reason for doing this?>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : The reason is very fact that we donÂ¡Â¦t find sthira>>> > karaka for AK and AmK. I have given the reference there in the>>> mail>>> > itself, vide the Vriddha Karaika sloka.

It clearly mentions that>>> Swa>>> > Karaka (Atma Karaka) never gets omitted in Antya Karaka Lopa>>> Scheme.>>> > So, there no question of Chara Karaka Parivartana ( or>>> replacement)>>> > either by Sthira Karaka or any other Karaka. So, it seems Sri>>> > Rangacharya took Naisargika bala planet out of AK and AmK as Atma>>> > Karaka when AK and AmK are at same degree.>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>Sanjay : I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu>>> when>>> > two planets are in the same degree works well (...but this is>>> > logically possible for 7 CK scheme only).>>> >>>> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much for stating the fact.>>>

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Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic

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HARE RAMA KRISHNADear Partha,How are you after long time ? May I jump ?Please kindly check what Narayana want first. Then, for fine tune, you maygo to other dasas. If Narayana Dasa not allowed, nothing can be find. AlsoVimsottari as well.This is, infact from my little works, after study last few mails andperhaps many flat points there.ThanksKarusohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf OfPartha SarathyThursday, 13 November 2008 8:13 PMsohamsa@ .comRe: niryana shoola dasa -strange logicHi,I tend to agree that NSD need not be seen for

spirituality at all.In Scorpio dasa having AK and BK, except starting to learn astrology, i didnothing special. Also, at that time, i had feelings that astrology is allscience and has nothing to do with spirituality or God. The dasa was infactbad, because i was atheist during the entire 8 years period.Whreas Libra having Pik Rahu, and not having any connection to lagna or AK,and having only a graha drishti of Guru was supposedly more spiritual.Using convoluted logic, i may say Scorpio was more spiritual because ofquestioning God, and questioning everything, but strictly speaking what wasspiritual about it? I am not sure, if i am missing something here.Cp: 1976-12-15 (8:27:06) - 1983-12-16 (3:24:47)Sg: 1983-12-16 (3:24:47) - 1992-12-15 (10:52:16)Sc: 1992-12-15 (10:52:16) - 2000-12-15 (12:10:26)Li: 2000-12-15 (12:10:26) - 2007-12-16 (7:07:38)Vi: 2007-12-16 (7:07:38) - 2016-12-15

(14:34:50)Le: 2016-12-15 (14:34:50) - 2024-12-15 (15:50:49)Cn: 2024-12-15 (15:50:49) - 2031-12-16 (10:53:40)Ge: 2031-12-16 (10:53:40) - 2040-12-15 (18:13:16)Ta: 2040-12-15 (18:13:16) - 2048-12-15 (19:33:01)Ar: 2048-12-15 (19:33:01) - 2055-12-16 (14:38:02)Pi: 2055-12-16 (14:38:02) - 2064-12-15 (21:55:14)Aq: 2064-12-15 (21:55:14) - 2072-12-15 (23:12:58)DOB 15 december, 1976, 8 27 AM, New delhi.regardsparthaOn Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Partha Sarathy <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Hi Since my comp is down at home, can anybody calculate niryana shoola dasa forme and send it back in text format(i dont have jhora).Details15 december 1976Time: 8 27:06Place: New DelhiregardsparthaOn Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@ .co. in>wrote:Om Namah SivayaNamaste Sri Sanjay,Thank you very much for clarifying about Vyasa. Regarding Sri Rangacharya --> I know his home address and I would be very much glad, if anything I could do in that regard.Seeking your Blessings,warm regards,Shanmukha sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> , "SanjayRath" <sjrath wrote:>> Namaste Shanmukha> > I will be precise and to the point –> > 1. The topic was about dating Parasara as in BPHS. I think you have> deviated and mixed with Vriddhas here.> 2. There is a different Vyasa for each Yuga and for the present Sri> Krishna

Dwaipaayana is the Vyasa. Even Parashara was a Vyasa for a previous> Yuga. So to that extent the statement you make is right but here we are only> talking of Krishna Dwaipayana when we talk of Vyaasa. The Brahma Tejas of> Krishna Dwaipaayana Vyasa and the Kshatra tejas of Ganga putra Bheeshma> re-established the Vedas in the beginning of the Yuga when the sabha was> established and under the explicit directions of Vyasa the Vedas were> written. Here Jaimini was in charge of the Sama Veda and is a sishya of> Vyasa Sri Krishna Dwaipayana. The author of the Jaimini Upadesa Sutras and> the recorder of the Sama Veda are one and the same, for it is His authority> as the sishya of Vyasa to give them. As to when this was finally written> down is another issue.> 3. That point about Sri Rangacharya where he proved Nilakantha >

wrong...thats why I call him brilliant. I have read every article of Sri> Rangacharya and every book of his. I hope to meet with him sometime and pay> my respects.> > Thank you for sharing and being clear about why you are not willing to share> everything as you are not clear about what he said.> > Best wishes and blessings of Sri Jagannatha that you may find the real light> of Jyotish,> > Sanjay Rath> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>[sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On Behalf Of> Shanmukha> 06 November 2008 22:19> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri Sanjay> > > > Om Namah Sivaya> Namste Sri Sanjay,> I am writing my replies to the points raised by you at appropriate > places. > Seeking your Blessings,> Shanmukha> > >>>Sanjay :Views and scholarly > > Shanmukha : I admit that my views are neither scholarly and nor I > wish they do. I wanted to put forth only my humble views since I am > neither Sanskrit scholar nor Jyotisha.> > >>>Sanjay :The present version of the BPHS is written in modern > Sanskrit after broken and piecemeal verses were obtained through > painstaking effort by Sri Jha. The language does not match that of > Parasara in the Rik Veda and scholars, if they

actually use the > language for dating, will surely find Parasara to be a more recent > work as compared to Jaimini. Point is that the Sanskrit versus were > finalised y Sri Jha and these are really the closest he could > get...and we thank him for this great service to mankind. In view of > this, it is impossible to date BPHS based on the present available > Sanskrit verses in print. Dating can only be done based on other > works like Vishnu Purana (Maitreya and Parasara discussion just as in > BPHS). > > >>>Shanmukha : Well, You admit that BPHS was written in modern > Sanskrit by Sri Jha ( I presume it is Sitaram Jha). Thank you very > much for the information. All these days I was in an impression that > somebody might have written this modern BPHS. Yes, indeed, we must > thank him for his great scholarly service. You said,

¡§These are > really the closest he could get¡K.¡¨. Could you kindly explain to the > benefit of readers as to closest to what? To the piecemeal > manuscripts of Parasara Hora. But, to the best of my knowledge, > Vriddha Karika slokas are never adulterated and they are available in > perfect form in works like Jaimini Padyamritam, I believe. > > I think you know some scholars do consider Vyasa is not one single > man. They consider Krishna Dwaipayana is the Vyasa who wrote Maha > Bharata. But the work of dividing Vedas has done by a no. of Vyayas. > In fact they consider Vyasa is like a Peethadhipati. This is the view > of a scholar I came across. But, others can trash it. The point is > dating of Parasara Hora by just looking at the mere discussion in > Guru ¡V Sishya style in comparison with Vsishnu Purana, doen¡¦t look >

sound. But considering Parasara as the great seer who compiled the > all-astrological principles is more logical to me, and all his > principles works well. Since you are a Guru, I can¡¦t talk more on > this issue. > > >>>Sanjay : You can consider to share at least what he told you about > CK if it is different from his book. Is it an extension or is it > grossly different? I would wonder why he would do such a thing ¡V give > something in print and teach another thing unless it is a more > detailed extension of what is in the book. Given the scholarly > approach of Sri Rangacharya, it is unlikely the deviation would be a > gross violation of his own teachings unless he has very sound reasons > to do so. Kindly elucidate this. > > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry if I seem to be saying that Sri > Rangacharya

contradicts himself. Why I didn¡¦t share the teaching of > his is, for the fact that has not clearly understood/ convinced by > me. So, I refrained myself from stating that for the very reason that > it would amounts to putting my words into his mouth. Such, a half-> baked knowledge of mine will definitely corrupt the essence of the > discussion.> > I request all not to make this an issue and I sincerely apologize for > creating an impression that way. I am withdrawing those sentences. I > would try my best to get the opinion of Sri Rangacharya regarding > this issue. I wish learned members can understand how much an > engineer like me without any traditional parampara knowledge of > Astrology could understand with a couple (literally two) meetings > with Sri Rangacharya. In fact I recommend readers to study his book > Jaimini

Sutramritam at least ten times to understand what he really > mean, that too only the Sanskrit commentary.> > >>>Sanjay :That is one view. Another view is that * if Rahu becomes > the chara AK, it can give the consciousness necessary to be always > aware of this bandhana and this awareness, or constant alertness > about the bandhana leads to the spiritual realisation of moksha*. > Then also there are thoughts about houses to see for this bandhana > and moksha, which is really a deeper understanding of argala. > > >>>Shanmukha : This is again a view. Personally I also admit the > above view also logical.> > >>>Sanjay :Thank you for admitting that Pitri Karaka was mentioned in > one of the manuscripts you saw.> > >>>Shanmukha : You are welcome.> > >>>Sanjay : Sri

Rangacharya¡¦s book is extremely good and is strongly > recommended.> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much. It is indeed your scholarly > gesture.> > >>>Sanjay : Sruti and Smriti: I am a bit confused about what you are > referring to as Sruti out here. Purana, Itihasa etc are the Smriti > and the Vedas are the Sruti. So where does Sruti and smriti > comparison come into the picture? Although most people follow the > Vriddha karika *blindly*, I always try to teach with the underlying > principle. Now you agree that the 8th house principle is not from > thin air or some meditation process but by definite mathematical > derivation. If I had not shown this, everyone would have continued to > believe tat this came from simple meditation and special sadhana...> > >>>Shanmukha : Yes, Vedas are the Sruti,

and Purana, Ithihasas are > Smruti. The point I want to make clear is that Vriddha karikas must > be given preference to any commentary as Sruti is given preference to > all.> > Yes, I follow Vriddha Karikas blindly. I may not understand the > underlying principle behind those karikas as I am really a beginner. > But, I have full faith in them. Could you show one instance where > any scholar or commentator ever proved / tried to prove Vriddha > Karikas wrong. I would be very happy to learn and correct myself. As > far as I know they could stand up the test of time and scholars like > Sri Rangacharya, Sri Sanjay Rath and Sri Narasimha prove from time to > time that they work well, though they take different routes but > ultimately everything is there in Vriddhas. Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha > Vadanthi. > > Kindly refer to

your sentence itself elsewhere in your mail > ¡§I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu when two planets > are in the same degree works well (...but this is logically possible > for 7 CK scheme only).> > In fact, Sri Rangacharya proved how Sammukha sign for dual sign is > different from what is given by Neelakantha. He took the verses from > vriddha karaka itself, to prove how Neelakantha was wrong.> Meditation and Sadhana is very important to correctly decipher the > real meaning of any sasthra. > > >>>Sanjay : Krishna Mishra uses Lagnamsaka dasa as Ayur dasha...so > many people even use Vimsottari dasa as Ayur dasha for timing various > death events. Are they all wrong? Do you use Vimshottari for timing > death? Point is do not restrict if you have a reason and logic to > believe that it is not restrictive.

What about Pada-nathamsha dasha? > There are many opinions out there also. Are the words of Tajik > Nilakantha and a few others to be taken blindly or are they to be > tested against available literature of the Rishi¡¦s? I follow the path > of testing everything before using it. You are welcome to what you > think is right.> > >>>Shanmukha : As I said earlier I am beginner and I am not trying to > hide out stating this. I can¡¦t comment on all the astrological > pointers, I was clearly mentioning only about Jaimini pointers. I > wrote elsewhere in the same mail that one should resolve with > scientific approach and practical examples. > I know one scholar brought out a book on Mandooka dasa as advocated > by K.N.Rao and used it as phalita dasa. Well, She is not a layman, > she was well educated, from traditional family and could

win gold > medal in ICAS exam at age of 60+ years. So the bottom line is that > Astrologers could see every thing with each dasa. I very sorry if I > hurt any body.> > Since you mentioned about Pada nadhamsa dasa, I wish to mention that > Krishna Mishra himself didn¡¦t resolve it. Yes, every astrological > principle must be tested. But against what? You say that against > literature of Rishis. You treat available literature of Rishis as the > reference, I take Vriddha karikas are the reference to the Jaimini > Astrology. I know this is subjective.> > I too follow the test of everything except the literature of Rishis. > In fact I have been working on Chara Dasa given by Rahava Bhatta and > Nrisimha Suri in their commentaries and find it works wonderfully for > timing events like marriage. > > >>>Sanjay

: Rashi Dristi, Padas! For heaven¡¦s sake please read BPHS > in its available version befpre commenting on Padas, Rashi Drishti > etc. I do not argue on this as many published books are readily > available.> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry for using a Telugu slang. The > word ¡§Parasari¡¨, I wrote, is not a TYPO, but is a slang in Telugu > which means „³ ¡§belongs to Parasara system¡¨. > Well, when the author of present modern available BPHS itself is > debated, I find reading wonderful Jaimini Sutras to learn principles > like Rasi drishti, Padas etc is the best option. My point here is why > classical literature like Jataka Parijata, Phala Deepika etc. never > dealt these principles. Do you think they don¡¦t have the Parasara > Hora available to them, or they considered worth not taking those > principles?

> > Then, why don¡¦t anybody out here openly discuss/ disclose those > relevant karikas and those verses from those commentators who > practiced only Rasi drishtis, Rasi dasas etc. Instead , I find some > learned scholars always refer to Parampara instead of quoting the > Karikas and commentaries. I never find you (sanjay) doing so. Does > anybody here consider it is not worth discussing those commentaries? > Most of the scholars who write those wonderful expositions of Jaimini > principles ever tried to learn what Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri > etc. have to say about these systems. I admit that a lot of knowledge > is available in traditional paramapars and also with native > astrologers living in small remote villages. I know very well that > you are great Jyotisha, and studied all those karikas and > commentaries. But, how many others

here did that. I also admit that > you are probably, the first person to openly share that Paramapara > knowledge. Thank you very much.> > >>>Sanjay : BPHS as Vriddha Karika! No BPHS cannot be taken as a > Vriddha Karika. If you say it can be, then you have to give some > solid reasons for the deviation.> > >>>Shanmukha : I am generally telling that BPHS can be considered as > Vriddha Karika keeping view that whatever has been said in BPHS > regarding the issue can be considered. If you feel the other way, you > are welcome. > > >>>Sanjay : Now on the CK¡¦s: If Jaimini does not take MK and PuK as > one then you should have Eight CK not seven...I am missing your logic.> > >>>Shanmukha : The relevant Jaimini Sutra reads as " Atmadhika > Kaladirnabhoga Saptanaam Asthanam Va". It

means Sage is saying that > the planet which has more degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma > Karaka. Well, if one thinks that Jaimini asking us to consider the > planet having more degrees out of 7 or 8 Karakas, doesn't hold good. > Since, in the ensuing sutras he speaks about each every karaka by > name, it is not necessary that sage telling the no. of chara karakas > to be considered. If one thinks that Sage indeed did that, then it is > dishonoring brevity the Sage follows. Jaimini never wastes even a > letter; forget about a word, in his cryptic upadesa sutras. Each and > every word the great Sage speaks of has a very specific purpose and > distinct meaning. This is my humble view.> > Well, my Logic here is > > The planet having most Degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma karaka. > This is my understanding and if you

feel this is not scholarly, I > seek your blessings. I am not a Sanskrit scholar. The Sage doesn¡¦t > tell more than that. Then we must see whether vriddha karika has > anything to say. Fortunately, Vriddha karika tells the application of > this sutra. > It can be deduced the other way if we don¡¦t consider the vriddhas, > which doesn¡¦t amuse anybody here. If you go by literal menaing of the > above sutra, we find the following> Bhaga „³ Degrees Kala „³ Minutes, Vikala „³ Seconds. So, Atma > karaka is the planet, which is having more minutes. Now, the other > way of interpretation which sounds logical. If you look at the word > Kalaadi, we can deduce that Atma karaka is the planet, which has more > DMS (Degrees, Minutes, Seconds etc.). Then this entire problem gets > solved. > > So as you said we shall

continuously test the principles with > practical examples.> > >>>Sanjay : Would like me to refer to some dictums about Rajayoga > coming from the combinations of AK and Putra karaka? What happens to > Putra Karaka?> > >>>Shanmukha : Putra Karaka is very much there in the 7 CK scheme. > The karaka missing is Pitri Karaka. So the raja yoga from the > combination of AK and PK are valid in this scheme also.> > >>>Sanjay : What is the reason (grateful for any references) for > taking different rules for karakas being in same degrees...you have > given different rules for AK + AmK, then different for others...what > is the reference or reason for doing this?> > >>>Shanmukha : The reason is very fact that we don¡¦t find sthira > karaka for AK and AmK. I have given the reference there in the

mail > itself, vide the Vriddha Karaika sloka. It clearly mentions that Swa > Karaka (Atma Karaka) never gets omitted in Antya Karaka Lopa Scheme. > So, there no question of Chara Karaka Parivartana ( or replacement) > either by Sthira Karaka or any other Karaka. So, it seems Sri > Rangacharya took Naisargika bala planet out of AK and AmK as Atma > Karaka when AK and AmK are at same degree. > > > >>>Sanjay : I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu when > two planets are in the same degree works well (...but this is > logically possible for 7 CK scheme only).> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much for stating the fact.>

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Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic

Posted by: "Partha Sarathy" partvinu partvinu5

Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:37 am (PST)

Hi KaruI am doing fine. Thanks for your points.Well i really dont know what Narayana wants.I ran Aries Narayana dasa from 89 to 1996. It has jupiter +ketu combo,aspected by Sun and Mars. However, i was having more "materialistic" successat that time. I used to pray, but very less. Despite having jupiter andketu, nothing dramatically spiritual happened.Pisces dasa was one long lull, spiritual events happened only inPisces-Gemini, and Pisces cancer,(2003, 2004). after that i have virtuallyleft astrology.Infact i had high expectations of the current Scorpio dasa which startedlast year, housing AK sun. Still nothing happened, except more troubles fromhigher ups, and more running after security stuff. Infact this is the firstthread i am participating in the last three years.Even i am not doing readings since the last three years. So much forNarayana wanting something for

me.I am shomehow beliving now that Vimshottari is far better than othersystems.regardsparthaOn Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Karu Heenkenda <heen (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au>wrote:> HARE RAMA KRISHNA>> Dear Partha,>> How are you after long time ? May I jump ?>> Please kindly check what Narayana want first. Then, for fine tune, you may> go to other dasas. If Narayana Dasa not allowed, nothing can be find. Also> Vimsottari as well.>> This is, infact from my little works, after study last few mails and> perhaps many flat points there.>> Thanks>> Karu>>>> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] *On> Behalf Of *Partha Sarathy> *Sent:* Thursday, 13 November 2008 8:13 PM> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> *Subject:* Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic>>>> Hi,>>>> I tend to agree that NSD need not be seen for spirituality at all.>>>> In Scorpio dasa having AK and BK, except starting to learn astrology, i did> nothing special. Also, at that time, i had feelings that astrology is all> science and has nothing to do with spirituality or God. The dasa was infact> bad, because i was atheist during the entire 8 years period.>>>> Whreas Libra having Pik Rahu, and not having any connection to lagna or AK,> and having only a graha drishti of Guru was supposedly more

spiritual.>> Using convoluted logic, i may say Scorpio was more spiritual because of> questioning God, and questioning everything, but strictly speaking what was> spiritual about it? I am not sure, if i am missing something here.>>>>>> Cp: 1976-12-15 (8:27:06) - 1983-12-16 (3:24:47)> Sg: 1983-12-16 (3:24:47) - 1992-12-15 (10:52:16)> Sc: 1992-12-15 (10:52:16) - 2000-12-15 (12:10:26)> Li: 2000-12-15 (12:10:26) - 2007-12-16 (7:07:38)> Vi: 2007-12-16 (7:07:38) - 2016-12-15 (14:34:50)> Le: 2016-12-15 (14:34:50) - 2024-12-15 (15:50:49)> Cn: 2024-12-15 (15:50:49) - 2031-12-16 (10:53:40)> Ge: 2031-12-16 (10:53:40) - 2040-12-15 (18:13:16)> Ta: 2040-12-15 (18:13:16) - 2048-12-15 (19:33:01)> Ar: 2048-12-15 (19:33:01) - 2055-12-16 (14:38:02)> Pi: 2055-12-16 (14:38:02) - 2064-12-15 (21:55:14)> Aq: 2064-12-15 (21:55:14) -

2072-12-15 (23:12:58)>>>> DOB 15 december, 1976, 8 27 AM, New delhi.>>>>>>> regards>> partha>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Partha Sarathy <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> wrote:>> Hi>>>> Since my comp is down at home, can anybody calculate niryana shoola dasa> for me and send it back in text format(i dont have jhora).>>>> Details>> 15 december 1976>> Time: 8 27:06>> Place: New Delhi>>>> regards>> partha>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@ .co. in>>

wrote:>> Om Namah Sivaya>> Namaste Sri Sanjay,>> Thank you very much for clarifying about Vyasa.> Regarding Sri Rangacharya --> I know his home address and I would be> very much glad, if anything I could do in that regard.>> Seeking your Blessings,>> warm regards,> Shanmukha>>>> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>, "Sanjay Rath"> <sjrath wrote:> >> > Namaste Shanmukha> >> > I will be precise and to the point –> >>> > 1. The topic was about dating Parasara as in BPHS. I think you>> have> > deviated and mixed with Vriddhas here.>> > 2. There is a different Vyasa for each Yuga and for the

present>> Sri> > Krishna Dwaipaayana is the Vyasa. Even Parashara was a Vyasa for a> previous> > Yuga. So to that extent the statement you make is right but here> we are only> > talking of Krishna Dwaipayana when we talk of Vyaasa. The Brahma> Tejas of> > Krishna Dwaipaayana Vyasa and the Kshatra tejas of Ganga putra> Bheeshma> > re-established the Vedas in the beginning of the Yuga when the> sabha was> > established and under the explicit directions of Vyasa the Vedas> were> > written. Here Jaimini was in charge of the Sama Veda and is a> sishya of> > Vyasa Sri Krishna Dwaipayana. The author of the Jaimini Upadesa> Sutras and> > the recorder of the Sama Veda are one and the same, for it is His> authority> > as the sishya of Vyasa to give them. As to when this was finally>

written> > down is another issue.>> > 3. That point about Sri Rangacharya where he proved Nilakantha>>> > wrong...thats why I call him brilliant. I have read every article> of Sri> > Rangacharya and every book of his. I hope to meet with him> sometime and pay> > my respects.> >> > Thank you for sharing and being clear about why you are not> willing to share> > everything as you are not clear about what he said.> >> > Best wishes and blessings of Sri Jagannatha that you may find the> real light> > of Jyotish,> >> > Sanjay Rath> >> >> >> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com> [> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>] On> Behalf Of> > Shanmukha> > 06 November 2008 22:19> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>> > Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri Sanjay> >> >> >> > Om Namah Sivaya> > Namste Sri Sanjay,> > I am writing my replies to the points raised by you at appropriate> > places.> > Seeking your Blessings,> > Shanmukha> >> > >>>Sanjay :Views and scholarly> >> > Shanmukha : I admit that my views are neither scholarly and nor I> > wish they do. I wanted to put forth only my humble views since I> am> > neither Sanskrit scholar nor

Jyotisha.> >> > >>>Sanjay :The present version of the BPHS is written in modern> > Sanskrit after broken and piecemeal verses were obtained through> > painstaking effort by Sri Jha. The language does not match that of> > Parasara in the Rik Veda and scholars, if they actually use the> > language for dating, will surely find Parasara to be a more recent> > work as compared to Jaimini. Point is that the Sanskrit versus> were> > finalised y Sri Jha and these are really the closest he could> > get...and we thank him for this great service to mankind. In view> of> > this, it is impossible to date BPHS based on the present available> > Sanskrit verses in print. Dating can only be done based on other> > works like Vishnu Purana (Maitreya and Parasara discussion just as> in> > BPHS).> >>

> >>>Shanmukha : Well, You admit that BPHS was written in modern> > Sanskrit by Sri Jha ( I presume it is Sitaram Jha). Thank you very> > much for the information. All these days I was in an impression> that> > somebody might have written this modern BPHS. Yes, indeed, we must> > thank him for his great scholarly service. You said, ¡§These are> > really the closest he could get¡K.¡¨. Could you kindly explain to> the> > benefit of readers as to closest to what? To the piecemeal> > manuscripts of Parasara Hora. But, to the best of my knowledge,> > Vriddha Karika slokas are never adulterated and they are available> in> > perfect form in works like Jaimini Padyamritam, I believe.> >> > I think you know some scholars do consider Vyasa is not one single> > man. They consider Krishna Dwaipayana is the

Vyasa who wrote Maha> > Bharata. But the work of dividing Vedas has done by a no. of> Vyayas.> > In fact they consider Vyasa is like a Peethadhipati. This is the> view> > of a scholar I came across. But, others can trash it. The point is> > dating of Parasara Hora by just looking at the mere discussion in> > Guru ¡V Sishya style in comparison with Vsishnu Purana, doen¡¦t> look> > sound. But considering Parasara as the great seer who compiled the> > all-astrological principles is more logical to me, and all his> > principles works well. Since you are a Guru, I can¡¦t talk more on> > this issue.> >> > >>>Sanjay : You can consider to share at least what he told you> about> > CK if it is different from his book. Is it an extension or is it> > grossly different? I would wonder why he would

do such a thing ¡V> give> > something in print and teach another thing unless it is a more> > detailed extension of what is in the book. Given the scholarly> > approach of Sri Rangacharya, it is unlikely the deviation would be> a> > gross violation of his own teachings unless he has very sound> reasons> > to do so. Kindly elucidate this.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry if I seem to be saying that Sri> > Rangacharya contradicts himself. Why I didn¡¦t share the teaching> of> > his is, for the fact that has not clearly understood/ convinced by> > me. So, I refrained myself from stating that for the very reason> that> > it would amounts to putting my words into his mouth. Such, a half-> > baked knowledge of mine will definitely corrupt the essence of the> > discussion.>

>> > I request all not to make this an issue and I sincerely apologize> for> > creating an impression that way. I am withdrawing those sentences.> I> > would try my best to get the opinion of Sri Rangacharya regarding> > this issue. I wish learned members can understand how much an> > engineer like me without any traditional parampara knowledge of> > Astrology could understand with a couple (literally two) meetings> > with Sri Rangacharya. In fact I recommend readers to study his> book> > Jaimini Sutramritam at least ten times to understand what he> really> > mean, that too only the Sanskrit commentary.> >> > >>>Sanjay :That is one view. Another view is that * if Rahu> becomes> > the chara AK, it can give the consciousness necessary to be always> > aware of this bandhana and this

awareness, or constant alertness> > about the bandhana leads to the spiritual realisation of moksha*.> > Then also there are thoughts about houses to see for this bandhana> > and moksha, which is really a deeper understanding of argala.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : This is again a view. Personally I also admit the> > above view also logical.> >> > >>>Sanjay :Thank you for admitting that Pitri Karaka was mentioned> in> > one of the manuscripts you saw.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : You are welcome.> >> > >>>Sanjay : Sri Rangacharya¡¦s book is extremely good and is> strongly> > recommended.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much. It is indeed your scholarly> > gesture.> >> > >>>Sanjay : Sruti and Smriti: I am a bit

confused about what you> are> > referring to as Sruti out here. Purana, Itihasa etc are the Smriti> > and the Vedas are the Sruti. So where does Sruti and smriti> > comparison come into the picture? Although most people follow the> > Vriddha karika *blindly*, I always try to teach with the> underlying> > principle. Now you agree that the 8th house principle is not from> > thin air or some meditation process but by definite mathematical> > derivation. If I had not shown this, everyone would have continued> to> > believe tat this came from simple meditation and special sadhana...> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Yes, Vedas are the Sruti, and Purana, Ithihasas are> > Smruti. The point I want to make clear is that Vriddha karikas> must> > be given preference to any commentary as Sruti is given preference>

to> > all.> >> > Yes, I follow Vriddha Karikas blindly. I may not understand the> > underlying principle behind those karikas as I am really a> beginner.> > But, I have full faith in them. Could you show one instance where> > any scholar or commentator ever proved / tried to prove Vriddha> > Karikas wrong. I would be very happy to learn and correct myself.> As> > far as I know they could stand up the test of time and scholars> like> > Sri Rangacharya, Sri Sanjay Rath and Sri Narasimha prove from time> to> > time that they work well, though they take different routes but> > ultimately everything is there in Vriddhas. Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha> > Vadanthi.> >> > Kindly refer to your sentence itself elsewhere in your mail> > ¡§I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu when

two> planets> > are in the same degree works well (...but this is logically> possible> > for 7 CK scheme only).> >> > In fact, Sri Rangacharya proved how Sammukha sign for dual sign is> > different from what is given by Neelakantha. He took the verses> from> > vriddha karaka itself, to prove how Neelakantha was wrong.> > Meditation and Sadhana is very important to correctly decipher the> > real meaning of any sasthra.> >> > >>>Sanjay : Krishna Mishra uses Lagnamsaka dasa as Ayur dasha...so> > many people even use Vimsottari dasa as Ayur dasha for timing> various> > death events. Are they all wrong? Do you use Vimshottari for> timing> > death? Point is do not restrict if you have a reason and logic to> > believe that it is not restrictive. What about Pada-nathamsha>

dasha?> > There are many opinions out there also. Are the words of Tajik> > Nilakantha and a few others to be taken blindly or are they to be> > tested against available literature of the Rishi¡¦s? I follow the> path> > of testing everything before using it. You are welcome to what you> > think is right.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : As I said earlier I am beginner and I am not trying> to> > hide out stating this. I can¡¦t comment on all the astrological> > pointers, I was clearly mentioning only about Jaimini pointers. I> > wrote elsewhere in the same mail that one should resolve with> > scientific approach and practical examples.> > I know one scholar brought out a book on Mandooka dasa as> advocated> > by K.N.Rao and used it as phalita dasa. Well, She is not a layman,> > she was well

educated, from traditional family and could win gold> > medal in ICAS exam at age of 60+ years. So the bottom line is that> > Astrologers could see every thing with each dasa. I very sorry if> I> > hurt any body.> >> > Since you mentioned about Pada nadhamsa dasa, I wish to mention> that> > Krishna Mishra himself didn¡¦t resolve it. Yes, every astrological> > principle must be tested. But against what? You say that against> > literature of Rishis. You treat available literature of Rishis as> the> > reference, I take Vriddha karikas are the reference to the Jaimini> > Astrology. I know this is subjective.> >> > I too follow the test of everything except the literature of> Rishis.> > In fact I have been working on Chara Dasa given by Rahava Bhatta> and> > Nrisimha Suri in their

commentaries and find it works wonderfully> for> > timing events like marriage.> >> > >>>Sanjay : Rashi Dristi, Padas! For heaven¡¦s sake please read> BPHS> > in its available version befpre commenting on Padas, Rashi Drishti> > etc. I do not argue on this as many published books are readily> > available.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry for using a Telugu slang. The> > word ¡§Parasari¡¨, I wrote, is not a TYPO, but is a slang in> Telugu> > which means „³ ¡§belongs to Parasara system¡¨.> > Well, when the author of present modern available BPHS itself is> > debated, I find reading wonderful Jaimini Sutras to learn> principles> > like Rasi drishti, Padas etc is the best option. My point here is> why> > classical literature like Jataka Parijata,

Phala Deepika etc.> never> > dealt these principles. Do you think they don¡¦t have the Parasara> > Hora available to them, or they considered worth not taking those> > principles?> >> > Then, why don¡¦t anybody out here openly discuss/ disclose those> > relevant karikas and those verses from those commentators who> > practiced only Rasi drishtis, Rasi dasas etc. Instead , I find> some> > learned scholars always refer to Parampara instead of quoting the> > Karikas and commentaries. I never find you (sanjay) doing so. Does> > anybody here consider it is not worth discussing those> commentaries?> > Most of the scholars who write those wonderful expositions of> Jaimini> > principles ever tried to learn what Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri> > etc. have to say about these systems. I admit that a lot

of> knowledge> > is available in traditional paramapars and also with native> > astrologers living in small remote villages. I know very well that> > you are great Jyotisha, and studied all those karikas and> > commentaries. But, how many others here did that. I also admit> that> > you are probably, the first person to openly share that Paramapara> > knowledge. Thank you very much.> >> > >>>Sanjay : BPHS as Vriddha Karika! No BPHS cannot be taken as a> > Vriddha Karika. If you say it can be, then you have to give some> > solid reasons for the deviation.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : I am generally telling that BPHS can be considered> as> > Vriddha Karika keeping view that whatever has been said in BPHS> > regarding the issue can be considered. If you feel the other way,>

you> > are welcome.> >> > >>>Sanjay : Now on the CK¡¦s: If Jaimini does not take MK and PuK> as> > one then you should have Eight CK not seven...I am missing your> logic.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : The relevant Jaimini Sutra reads as " Atmadhika> > Kaladirnabhoga Saptanaam Asthanam Va". It means Sage is saying> that> > the planet which has more degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma> > Karaka. Well, if one thinks that Jaimini asking us to consider the> > planet having more degrees out of 7 or 8 Karakas, doesn't hold> good.> > Since, in the ensuing sutras he speaks about each every karaka by> > name, it is not necessary that sage telling the no. of chara> karakas> > to be considered. If one thinks that Sage indeed did that, then it> is> > dishonoring brevity the

Sage follows. Jaimini never wastes even a> > letter; forget about a word, in his cryptic upadesa sutras. Each> and> > every word the great Sage speaks of has a very specific purpose> and> > distinct meaning. This is my humble view.> >> > Well, my Logic here is> >> > The planet having most Degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma> karaka.> > This is my understanding and if you feel this is not scholarly, I> > seek your blessings. I am not a Sanskrit scholar. The Sage> doesn¡¦t> > tell more than that. Then we must see whether vriddha karika has> > anything to say. Fortunately, Vriddha karika tells the application> of> > this sutra.> > It can be deduced the other way if we don¡¦t consider the> vriddhas,> > which doesn¡¦t amuse anybody here. If you go by literal menaing

of> the> > above sutra, we find the following> > Bhaga „³ Degrees Kala „³ Minutes, Vikala „³ Seconds. So, Atma> > karaka is the planet, which is having more minutes. Now, the other> > way of interpretation which sounds logical. If you look at the> word> > Kalaadi, we can deduce that Atma karaka is the planet, which has> more> > DMS (Degrees, Minutes, Seconds etc.). Then this entire problem> gets> > solved.> >> > So as you said we shall continuously test the principles with> > practical examples.> >> > >>>Sanjay : Would like me to refer to some dictums about Rajayoga> > coming from the combinations of AK and Putra karaka? What happens> to> > Putra Karaka?> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Putra Karaka is very much there in the 7 CK scheme.>

> The karaka missing is Pitri Karaka. So the raja yoga from the> > combination of AK and PK are valid in this scheme also.> >> > >>>Sanjay : What is the reason (grateful for any references) for> > taking different rules for karakas being in same degrees...you> have> > given different rules for AK + AmK, then different for> others...what> > is the reference or reason for doing this?> >> > >>>Shanmukha : The reason is very fact that we don¡¦t find sthira> > karaka for AK and AmK. I have given the reference there in the> mail> > itself, vide the Vriddha Karaika sloka. It clearly mentions that> Swa> > Karaka (Atma Karaka) never gets omitted in Antya Karaka Lopa> Scheme.> > So, there no question of Chara Karaka Parivartana ( or> replacement)> > either by Sthira

Karaka or any other Karaka. So, it seems Sri> > Rangacharya took Naisargika bala planet out of AK and AmK as Atma> > Karaka when AK and AmK are at same degree.> >> >> > >>>Sanjay : I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu> when> > two planets are in the same degree works well (...but this is> > logically possible for 7 CK scheme only).> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much for stating the fact.> >>>>>> >

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Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:03 am (PST)

Hare Rama KrishnaDear Partha,OK. I will tell you how “I” think.See who “drive” your mind. (Kendra). It is only Mercury in Lagna. No supportfrom Guru. Since no AK or Ishta or any other higher level Karaka involved,Mercury is free enough to do what ever he wants.Now see AK. Is there any Graha who can link AK (or such higher karaka) withMoon+Mercury ? Only Guru can do it. So when ever, Guru activate, it link AKwith your Moon and Mercury (mind and intellect).Then Go to Narayana Dasa. Aries, where Guru is in. Guru is in 6th from Sun.He cannot work freely according to Pachakadi Sambandata. Then go to Pisces Dasa. Dasa is trine to Scorpio. Divide it in to 3 parts.One part belongs to Guru. In that part, Guru shall link Moon and Mercurywith AK and BK, as he aspects them and Mercury in lagna. Again, due to Pachakadi Sambandata results may not

manifest as expected.ThanksKarusohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf OfPartha SarathyThursday, 13 November 2008 9:38 PMsohamsa@ .comRe: niryana shoola dasa -strange logicHi KaruI am doing fine. Thanks for your points.Well i really dont know what Narayana wants.I ran Aries Narayana dasa from 89 to 1996. It has jupiter +ketu combo,aspected by Sun and Mars. However, i was having more "materialistic" successat that time. I used to pray, but very less. Despite having jupiter andketu, nothing dramatically spiritual happened.Pisces dasa was one long lull, spiritual events

happened only inPisces-Gemini, and Pisces cancer,(2003, 2004). after that i have virtuallyleft astrology.Infact i had high expectations of the current Scorpio dasa which startedlast year, housing AK sun. Still nothing happened, except more troubles fromhigher ups, and more running after security stuff. Infact this is the firstthread i am participating in the last three years.Even i am not doing readings since the last three years. So much forNarayana wanting something for me.I am shomehow beliving now that Vimshottari is far better than othersystems.regardsparthaOn Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Karu Heenkenda <heen (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au>wrote:HARE RAMA KRISHNADear Partha,How are you after long time ? May I jump ?Please kindly check what Narayana want first. Then, for fine

tune, you maygo to other dasas. If Narayana Dasa not allowed, nothing can be find. AlsoVimsottari as well.This is, infact from my little works, after study last few mails andperhaps many flat points there.ThanksKarusohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf OfPartha SarathyThursday, 13 November 2008 8:13 PMsohamsa@ .comRe: niryana shoola dasa -strange logicHi,I tend to agree that NSD need not be seen for spirituality at all.In Scorpio dasa having AK and BK, except starting to learn astrology, i didnothing special. Also, at that time, i had feelings that astrology is

allscience and has nothing to do with spirituality or God. The dasa was infactbad, because i was atheist during the entire 8 years period.Whreas Libra having Pik Rahu, and not having any connection to lagna or AK,and having only a graha drishti of Guru was supposedly more spiritual.Using convoluted logic, i may say Scorpio was more spiritual because ofquestioning God, and questioning everything, but strictly speaking what wasspiritual about it? I am not sure, if i am missing something here.Cp: 1976-12-15 (8:27:06) - 1983-12-16 (3:24:47)Sg: 1983-12-16 (3:24:47) - 1992-12-15 (10:52:16)Sc: 1992-12-15 (10:52:16) - 2000-12-15 (12:10:26)Li: 2000-12-15 (12:10:26) - 2007-12-16 (7:07:38)Vi: 2007-12-16 (7:07:38) - 2016-12-15 (14:34:50)Le: 2016-12-15 (14:34:50) - 2024-12-15 (15:50:49)Cn: 2024-12-15 (15:50:49) - 2031-12-16 (10:53:40)Ge: 2031-12-16 (10:53:40) - 2040-12-15 (18:13:16)Ta:

2040-12-15 (18:13:16) - 2048-12-15 (19:33:01)Ar: 2048-12-15 (19:33:01) - 2055-12-16 (14:38:02)Pi: 2055-12-16 (14:38:02) - 2064-12-15 (21:55:14)Aq: 2064-12-15 (21:55:14) - 2072-12-15 (23:12:58)DOB 15 december, 1976, 8 27 AM, New delhi.regardsparthaOn Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Partha Sarathy <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Hi Since my comp is down at home, can anybody calculate niryana shoola dasa forme and send it back in text format(i dont have jhora).Details15 december 1976Time: 8 27:06Place: New DelhiregardsparthaOn Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@ .co. in>wrote:Om Namah SivayaNamaste Sri Sanjay,Thank you very much for

clarifying about Vyasa. Regarding Sri Rangacharya --> I know his home address and I would be very much glad, if anything I could do in that regard.Seeking your Blessings,warm regards,Shanmukha sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> , "SanjayRath" <sjrath wrote:>> Namaste Shanmukha> > I will be precise and to the point –> > 1. The topic was about dating Parasara as in BPHS. I think you have> deviated and mixed with Vriddhas here.> 2. There is a different Vyasa for each Yuga and for the present Sri> Krishna Dwaipaayana is the Vyasa. Even Parashara was a Vyasa for a previous> Yuga. So to that extent the statement you make is right but here we are only> talking of Krishna Dwaipayana when

we talk of Vyaasa. The Brahma Tejas of> Krishna Dwaipaayana Vyasa and the Kshatra tejas of Ganga putra Bheeshma> re-established the Vedas in the beginning of the Yuga when the sabha was> established and under the explicit directions of Vyasa the Vedas were> written. Here Jaimini was in charge of the Sama Veda and is a sishya of> Vyasa Sri Krishna Dwaipayana. The author of the Jaimini Upadesa Sutras and> the recorder of the Sama Veda are one and the same, for it is His authority> as the sishya of Vyasa to give them. As to when this was finally written> down is another issue.> 3. That point about Sri Rangacharya where he proved Nilakantha > wrong...thats why I call him brilliant. I have read every article of Sri> Rangacharya and every book of his. I hope to meet with him sometime and pay> my respects.> > Thank

you for sharing and being clear about why you are not willing to share> everything as you are not clear about what he said.> > Best wishes and blessings of Sri Jagannatha that you may find the real light> of Jyotish,> > Sanjay Rath> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>[sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On Behalf Of> Shanmukha> 06 November 2008 22:19> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri Sanjay> > > > Om Namah

Sivaya> Namste Sri Sanjay,> I am writing my replies to the points raised by you at appropriate > places. > Seeking your Blessings,> Shanmukha> > >>>Sanjay :Views and scholarly > > Shanmukha : I admit that my views are neither scholarly and nor I > wish they do. I wanted to put forth only my humble views since I am > neither Sanskrit scholar nor Jyotisha.> > >>>Sanjay :The present version of the BPHS is written in modern > Sanskrit after broken and piecemeal verses were obtained through > painstaking effort by Sri Jha. The language does not match that of > Parasara in the Rik Veda and scholars, if they actually use the > language for dating, will surely find Parasara to be a more recent > work as compared to Jaimini. Point is that the Sanskrit versus were > finalised y Sri Jha and these are really

the closest he could > get...and we thank him for this great service to mankind. In view of > this, it is impossible to date BPHS based on the present available > Sanskrit verses in print. Dating can only be done based on other > works like Vishnu Purana (Maitreya and Parasara discussion just as in > BPHS). > > >>>Shanmukha : Well, You admit that BPHS was written in modern > Sanskrit by Sri Jha ( I presume it is Sitaram Jha). Thank you very > much for the information. All these days I was in an impression that > somebody might have written this modern BPHS. Yes, indeed, we must > thank him for his great scholarly service. You said, ¡§These are > really the closest he could get¡K.¡¨. Could you kindly explain to the > benefit of readers as to closest to what? To the piecemeal > manuscripts of Parasara Hora. But, to the best of my

knowledge, > Vriddha Karika slokas are never adulterated and they are available in > perfect form in works like Jaimini Padyamritam, I believe. > > I think you know some scholars do consider Vyasa is not one single > man. They consider Krishna Dwaipayana is the Vyasa who wrote Maha > Bharata. But the work of dividing Vedas has done by a no. of Vyayas. > In fact they consider Vyasa is like a Peethadhipati. This is the view > of a scholar I came across. But, others can trash it. The point is > dating of Parasara Hora by just looking at the mere discussion in > Guru ¡V Sishya style in comparison with Vsishnu Purana, doen¡¦t look > sound. But considering Parasara as the great seer who compiled the > all-astrological principles is more logical to me, and all his > principles works well. Since you are a Guru, I can¡¦t talk more on > this

issue. > > >>>Sanjay : You can consider to share at least what he told you about > CK if it is different from his book. Is it an extension or is it > grossly different? I would wonder why he would do such a thing ¡V give > something in print and teach another thing unless it is a more > detailed extension of what is in the book. Given the scholarly > approach of Sri Rangacharya, it is unlikely the deviation would be a > gross violation of his own teachings unless he has very sound reasons > to do so. Kindly elucidate this. > > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry if I seem to be saying that Sri > Rangacharya contradicts himself. Why I didn¡¦t share the teaching of > his is, for the fact that has not clearly understood/ convinced by > me. So, I refrained myself from stating that for the very reason that > it

would amounts to putting my words into his mouth. Such, a half-> baked knowledge of mine will definitely corrupt the essence of the > discussion.> > I request all not to make this an issue and I sincerely apologize for > creating an impression that way. I am withdrawing those sentences. I > would try my best to get the opinion of Sri Rangacharya regarding > this issue. I wish learned members can understand how much an > engineer like me without any traditional parampara knowledge of > Astrology could understand with a couple (literally two) meetings > with Sri Rangacharya. In fact I recommend readers to study his book > Jaimini Sutramritam at least ten times to understand what he really > mean, that too only the Sanskrit commentary.> > >>>Sanjay :That is one view. Another view is that * if Rahu becomes > the chara AK, it

can give the consciousness necessary to be always > aware of this bandhana and this awareness, or constant alertness > about the bandhana leads to the spiritual realisation of moksha*. > Then also there are thoughts about houses to see for this bandhana > and moksha, which is really a deeper understanding of argala. > > >>>Shanmukha : This is again a view. Personally I also admit the > above view also logical.> > >>>Sanjay :Thank you for admitting that Pitri Karaka was mentioned in > one of the manuscripts you saw.> > >>>Shanmukha : You are welcome.> > >>>Sanjay : Sri Rangacharya¡¦s book is extremely good and is strongly > recommended.> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much. It is indeed your scholarly > gesture.> > >>>Sanjay : Sruti and Smriti: I am a

bit confused about what you are > referring to as Sruti out here. Purana, Itihasa etc are the Smriti > and the Vedas are the Sruti. So where does Sruti and smriti > comparison come into the picture? Although most people follow the > Vriddha karika *blindly*, I always try to teach with the underlying > principle. Now you agree that the 8th house principle is not from > thin air or some meditation process but by definite mathematical > derivation. If I had not shown this, everyone would have continued to > believe tat this came from simple meditation and special sadhana...> > >>>Shanmukha : Yes, Vedas are the Sruti, and Purana, Ithihasas are > Smruti. The point I want to make clear is that Vriddha karikas must > be given preference to any commentary as Sruti is given preference to > all.> > Yes, I follow Vriddha Karikas

blindly. I may not understand the > underlying principle behind those karikas as I am really a beginner. > But, I have full faith in them. Could you show one instance where > any scholar or commentator ever proved / tried to prove Vriddha > Karikas wrong. I would be very happy to learn and correct myself. As > far as I know they could stand up the test of time and scholars like > Sri Rangacharya, Sri Sanjay Rath and Sri Narasimha prove from time to > time that they work well, though they take different routes but > ultimately everything is there in Vriddhas. Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha > Vadanthi. > > Kindly refer to your sentence itself elsewhere in your mail > ¡§I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu when two planets > are in the same degree works well (...but this is logically possible > for 7 CK scheme only).>

> In fact, Sri Rangacharya proved how Sammukha sign for dual sign is > different from what is given by Neelakantha. He took the verses from > vriddha karaka itself, to prove how Neelakantha was wrong.> Meditation and Sadhana is very important to correctly decipher the > real meaning of any sasthra. > > >>>Sanjay : Krishna Mishra uses Lagnamsaka dasa as Ayur dasha...so > many people even use Vimsottari dasa as Ayur dasha for timing various > death events. Are they all wrong? Do you use Vimshottari for timing > death? Point is do not restrict if you have a reason and logic to > believe that it is not restrictive. What about Pada-nathamsha dasha? > There are many opinions out there also. Are the words of Tajik > Nilakantha and a few others to be taken blindly or are they to be > tested against available literature of the Rishi¡¦s? I

follow the path > of testing everything before using it. You are welcome to what you > think is right.> > >>>Shanmukha : As I said earlier I am beginner and I am not trying to > hide out stating this. I can¡¦t comment on all the astrological > pointers, I was clearly mentioning only about Jaimini pointers. I > wrote elsewhere in the same mail that one should resolve with > scientific approach and practical examples. > I know one scholar brought out a book on Mandooka dasa as advocated > by K.N.Rao and used it as phalita dasa. Well, She is not a layman, > she was well educated, from traditional family and could win gold > medal in ICAS exam at age of 60+ years. So the bottom line is that > Astrologers could see every thing with each dasa. I very sorry if I > hurt any body.> > Since you mentioned about Pada nadhamsa

dasa, I wish to mention that > Krishna Mishra himself didn¡¦t resolve it. Yes, every astrological > principle must be tested. But against what? You say that against > literature of Rishis. You treat available literature of Rishis as the > reference, I take Vriddha karikas are the reference to the Jaimini > Astrology. I know this is subjective.> > I too follow the test of everything except the literature of Rishis. > In fact I have been working on Chara Dasa given by Rahava Bhatta and > Nrisimha Suri in their commentaries and find it works wonderfully for > timing events like marriage. > > >>>Sanjay : Rashi Dristi, Padas! For heaven¡¦s sake please read BPHS > in its available version befpre commenting on Padas, Rashi Drishti > etc. I do not argue on this as many published books are readily > available.>

> >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry for using a Telugu slang. The > word ¡§Parasari¡¨, I wrote, is not a TYPO, but is a slang in Telugu > which means „³ ¡§belongs to Parasara system¡¨. > Well, when the author of present modern available BPHS itself is > debated, I find reading wonderful Jaimini Sutras to learn principles > like Rasi drishti, Padas etc is the best option. My point here is why > classical literature like Jataka Parijata, Phala Deepika etc. never > dealt these principles. Do you think they don¡¦t have the Parasara > Hora available to them, or they considered worth not taking those > principles? > > Then, why don¡¦t anybody out here openly discuss/ disclose those > relevant karikas and those verses from those commentators who > practiced only Rasi drishtis, Rasi dasas etc. Instead , I find some >

learned scholars always refer to Parampara instead of quoting the > Karikas and commentaries. I never find you (sanjay) doing so. Does > anybody here consider it is not worth discussing those commentaries? > Most of the scholars who write those wonderful expositions of Jaimini > principles ever tried to learn what Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri > etc. have to say about these systems. I admit that a lot of knowledge > is available in traditional paramapars and also with native > astrologers living in small remote villages. I know very well that > you are great Jyotisha, and studied all those karikas and > commentaries. But, how many others here did that. I also admit that > you are probably, the first person to openly share that Paramapara > knowledge. Thank you very much.> > >>>Sanjay : BPHS as Vriddha Karika! No BPHS cannot be taken as a

> Vriddha Karika. If you say it can be, then you have to give some > solid reasons for the deviation.> > >>>Shanmukha : I am generally telling that BPHS can be considered as > Vriddha Karika keeping view that whatever has been said in BPHS > regarding the issue can be considered. If you feel the other way, you > are welcome. > > >>>Sanjay : Now on the CK¡¦s: If Jaimini does not take MK and PuK as > one then you should have Eight CK not seven...I am missing your logic.> > >>>Shanmukha : The relevant Jaimini Sutra reads as " Atmadhika > Kaladirnabhoga Saptanaam Asthanam Va". It means Sage is saying that > the planet which has more degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma > Karaka. Well, if one thinks that Jaimini asking us to consider the > planet having more degrees out of 7 or 8 Karakas, doesn't

hold good. > Since, in the ensuing sutras he speaks about each every karaka by > name, it is not necessary that sage telling the no. of chara karakas > to be considered. If one thinks that Sage indeed did that, then it is > dishonoring brevity the Sage follows. Jaimini never wastes even a > letter; forget about a word, in his cryptic upadesa sutras. Each and > every word the great Sage speaks of has a very specific purpose and > distinct meaning. This is my humble view.> > Well, my Logic here is > > The planet having most Degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma karaka. > This is my understanding and if you feel this is not scholarly, I > seek your blessings. I am not a Sanskrit scholar. The Sage doesn¡¦t > tell more than that. Then we must see whether vriddha karika has > anything to say. Fortunately, Vriddha karika tells

the application of > this sutra. > It can be deduced the other way if we don¡¦t consider the vriddhas, > which doesn¡¦t amuse anybody here. If you go by literal menaing of the > above sutra, we find the following> Bhaga „³ Degrees Kala „³ Minutes, Vikala „³ Seconds. So, Atma > karaka is the planet, which is having more minutes. Now, the other > way of interpretation which sounds logical. If you look at the word > Kalaadi, we can deduce that Atma karaka is the planet, which has more > DMS (Degrees, Minutes, Seconds etc.). Then this entire problem gets > solved. > > So as you said we shall continuously test the principles with > practical examples.> > >>>Sanjay : Would like me to refer to some dictums about Rajayoga > coming from the combinations of AK and Putra karaka? What happens to >

Putra Karaka?> > >>>Shanmukha : Putra Karaka is very much there in the 7 CK scheme. > The karaka missing is Pitri Karaka. So the raja yoga from the > combination of AK and PK are valid in this scheme also.> > >>>Sanjay : What is the reason (grateful for any references) for > taking different rules for karakas being in same degrees...you have > given different rules for AK + AmK, then different for others...what > is the reference or reason for doing this?> > >>>Shanmukha : The reason is very fact that we don¡¦t find sthira > karaka for AK and AmK. I have given the reference there in the mail > itself, vide the Vriddha Karaika sloka. It clearly mentions that Swa > Karaka (Atma Karaka) never gets omitted in Antya Karaka Lopa Scheme. > So, there no question of Chara Karaka Parivartana ( or

replacement) > either by Sthira Karaka or any other Karaka. So, it seems Sri > Rangacharya took Naisargika bala planet out of AK and AmK as Atma > Karaka when AK and AmK are at same degree. > > > >>>Sanjay : I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu when > two planets are in the same degree works well (...but this is > logically possible for 7 CK scheme only).> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much for stating the fact.>

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Posted by: "Rafal Gendarz" starsuponme jyotraff

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*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*Dear Partha, NamaskarReg. NiryanaVrscika is occupied by BK and Jeevanmuktaamsa but its also aspected by 6/11 lords from Lagna and 6L from Karaka Lagna.Tula dasa is occupied by 12L from Karakaamsa.Reg NarayanaMesha is 6 from Karaka Lagna. Pisces is aspected by A5 and its lord and its in kona to A9, Dharma devata, Ishta devata.Rahu-Shukra; Rahu-Shani per Dwisaptati were your spiritual periods. Here in both case anubhava falls to Mesha.Shurka is in 6 from AL (main 'pravraja' yoga in this chart) and it is only aspected by Shani so both periods gives its result.Shani also lords 12 from Karakaaamsa whilst Shukra lords 9H from LagnaRegards,Rafal Gendarz------------ --------- --------http://rohinaa. comrafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comPartha Sarathy pisze:> Hi Karu> > I am doing fine. Thanks for your points.> Well i really dont know what Narayana wants.> I ran Aries Narayana dasa from 89 to 1996. It has jupiter +ketu combo, > aspected by Sun and Mars. However, i was having more "materialistic" > success at that time. I used to pray, but very less. Despite having > jupiter and ketu, nothing dramatically spiritual happened.> Pisces dasa was one long lull, spiritual events happened only in > Pisces-Gemini, and Pisces cancer,(2003, 2004). after that i have > virtually left astrology.> Infact i had high expectations of the current Scorpio dasa which > started last year, housing AK sun. Still nothing happened, except more > troubles from higher ups, and more running after security stuff. > Infact this is the first thread i am

participating in the last three > years.> Even i am not doing readings since the last three years. So much for > Narayana wanting something for me.> I am shomehow beliving now that Vimshottari is far better than other > systems.> > regards> partha>>> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Karu Heenkenda <heen (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au > <heen (AT) netspace (DOT) net.au>> wrote:>> HARE RAMA KRISHNA>> Dear Partha,>> How are you after long time ? May I jump ?>> Please kindly check what Narayana want first. Then, for fine tune,> you may go to other dasas. If Narayana Dasa not allowed, nothing> can be find. Also Vimsottari as well.>> This is, infact from my little works, after study last few mails> and perhaps

many flat points there.>> Thanks>> Karu>> >> ** sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com>> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com>]> *On Behalf Of *Partha Sarathy> *Sent:* Thursday, 13 November 2008 8:13 PM> *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com>> *Subject:* Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic>> >> Hi,>> >> I tend to agree that NSD need not be seen for spirituality at all.>> >> In Scorpio dasa having AK and BK, except starting to learn> astrology, i

did nothing special. Also, at that time, i had> feelings that astrology is all science and has nothing to do with> spirituality or God. The dasa was infact bad, because i was> atheist during the entire 8 years period.>> >> Whreas Libra having Pik Rahu, and not having any connection to> lagna or AK, and having only a graha drishti of Guru was> supposedly more spiritual.>> Using convoluted logic, i may say Scorpio was more spiritual> because of questioning God, and questioning everything, but> strictly speaking what was spiritual about it? I am not sure, if i> am missing something here.>> >> >> Cp: 1976-12-15 (8:27:06) - 1983-12-16 (3:24:47)> Sg: 1983-12-16 (3:24:47) - 1992-12-15 (10:52:16)> Sc: 1992-12-15 (10:52:16) - 2000-12-15 (12:10:26)> Li: 2000-12-15 (12:10:26) - 2007-12-16 (7:07:38)>

Vi: 2007-12-16 (7:07:38) - 2016-12-15 (14:34:50)> Le: 2016-12-15 (14:34:50) - 2024-12-15 (15:50:49)> Cn: 2024-12-15 (15:50:49) - 2031-12-16 (10:53:40)> Ge: 2031-12-16 (10:53:40) - 2040-12-15 (18:13:16)> Ta: 2040-12-15 (18:13:16) - 2048-12-15 (19:33:01)> Ar: 2048-12-15 (19:33:01) - 2055-12-16 (14:38:02)> Pi: 2055-12-16 (14:38:02) - 2064-12-15 (21:55:14)> Aq: 2064-12-15 (21:55:14) - 2072-12-15 (23:12:58)>> >> DOB 15 december, 1976, 8 27 AM, New delhi.>> >>> >> regards>> partha>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Partha Sarathy <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT) > com <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> wrote:>> Hi>> >> Since my comp is down at home, can anybody calculate niryana> shoola dasa

for me and send it back in text format(i dont have jhora).>> >> Details>> 15 december 1976>> Time: 8 27:06>> Place: New Delhi>> >> regards>> partha>>>> >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@> .co. in <teli_sha2002@ .co. in>> wrote:>> Om Namah Sivaya>> Namaste Sri Sanjay,>> Thank you very much for clarifying about Vyasa.> Regarding Sri Rangacharya --> I know his home address and I would be> very much glad, if anything I could do in that regard.>> Seeking your Blessings,>> warm regards,> Shanmukha>>>> sohamsa@ .com>

<sohamsa% 40. com>, "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:> >> > Namaste Shanmukha> >> > I will be precise and to the point --> >>> > 1. The topic was about dating Parasara as in BPHS. I think you>> have> > deviated and mixed with Vriddhas here.>> > 2. There is a different Vyasa for each Yuga and for the present>> Sri> > Krishna Dwaipaayana is the Vyasa. Even Parashara was a Vyasa for a> previous> > Yuga. So to that extent the statement you make is right but here> we are only> > talking of Krishna Dwaipayana when we talk of Vyaasa. The Brahma> Tejas of> > Krishna Dwaipaayana Vyasa and the Kshatra tejas of Ganga putra> Bheeshma> > re-established the Vedas in the beginning of the Yuga when the> sabha was> >

established and under the explicit directions of Vyasa the Vedas> were> > written. Here Jaimini was in charge of the Sama Veda and is a> sishya of> > Vyasa Sri Krishna Dwaipayana. The author of the Jaimini Upadesa> Sutras and> > the recorder of the Sama Veda are one and the same, for it is His> authority> > as the sishya of Vyasa to give them. As to when this was finally> written> > down is another issue.>> > 3. That point about Sri Rangacharya where he proved Nilakantha>>> > wrong...thats why I call him brilliant. I have read every article> of Sri> > Rangacharya and every book of his. I hope to meet with him> sometime and pay> > my respects.> >> > Thank you for sharing and being clear about why you are not> willing to share> > everything as you are not clear

about what he said.> >> > Best wishes and blessings of Sri Jagannatha that you may find the> real light> > of Jyotish,> >> > Sanjay Rath> >> >> >> > sohamsa@ .com> <sohamsa% 40. com> [sohamsa@ > .com <sohamsa% 40. com>] On> Behalf Of> > Shanmukha> > 06 November 2008 22:19> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>> > Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri Sanjay> >> >> >> > Om Namah Sivaya> > Namste Sri Sanjay,> > I am writing my replies to the points raised by you at appropriate> > places.> > Seeking your Blessings,> > Shanmukha> >> >

>>>Sanjay :Views and scholarly> >> > Shanmukha : I admit that my views are neither scholarly and nor I> > wish they do. I wanted to put forth only my humble views since I> am> > neither Sanskrit scholar nor Jyotisha.> >> > >>>Sanjay :The present version of the BPHS is written in modern> > Sanskrit after broken and piecemeal verses were obtained through> > painstaking effort by Sri Jha. The language does not match that of> > Parasara in the Rik Veda and scholars, if they actually use the> > language for dating, will surely find Parasara to be a more recent> > work as compared to Jaimini. Point is that the Sanskrit versus> were> > finalised y Sri Jha and these are really the closest he could> > get...and we thank him for this great service to mankind. In view> of> > this, it is

impossible to date BPHS based on the present available> > Sanskrit verses in print. Dating can only be done based on other> > works like Vishnu Purana (Maitreya and Parasara discussion just as> in> > BPHS).> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Well, You admit that BPHS was written in modern> > Sanskrit by Sri Jha ( I presume it is Sitaram Jha). Thank you very> > much for the information. All these days I was in an impression> that> > somebody might have written this modern BPHS. Yes, indeed, we must> > thank him for his great scholarly service. You said, ¡§These are> > really the closest he could get¡K.¡¨. Could you kindly explain to> the> > benefit of readers as to closest to what? To the piecemeal> > manuscripts of Parasara Hora. But, to the best of my knowledge,> > Vriddha Karika slokas are never

adulterated and they are available> in> > perfect form in works like Jaimini Padyamritam, I believe.> >> > I think you know some scholars do consider Vyasa is not one single> > man. They consider Krishna Dwaipayana is the Vyasa who wrote Maha> > Bharata. But the work of dividing Vedas has done by a no. of> Vyayas.> > In fact they consider Vyasa is like a Peethadhipati. This is the> view> > of a scholar I came across. But, others can trash it. The point is> > dating of Parasara Hora by just looking at the mere discussion in> > Guru ¡V Sishya style in comparison with Vsishnu Purana, doen¡¦t> look> > sound. But considering Parasara as the great seer who compiled the> > all-astrological principles is more logical to me, and all his> > principles works well. Since you are a Guru, I can¡¦t talk more

on> > this issue.> >> > >>>Sanjay : You can consider to share at least what he told you> about> > CK if it is different from his book. Is it an extension or is it> > grossly different? I would wonder why he would do such a thing ¡V> give> > something in print and teach another thing unless it is a more> > detailed extension of what is in the book. Given the scholarly> > approach of Sri Rangacharya, it is unlikely the deviation would be> a> > gross violation of his own teachings unless he has very sound> reasons> > to do so. Kindly elucidate this.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry if I seem to be saying that Sri> > Rangacharya contradicts himself. Why I didn¡¦t share the teaching> of> > his is, for the fact that has not clearly understood/ convinced

by> > me. So, I refrained myself from stating that for the very reason> that> > it would amounts to putting my words into his mouth. Such, a half-> > baked knowledge of mine will definitely corrupt the essence of the> > discussion.> >> > I request all not to make this an issue and I sincerely apologize> for> > creating an impression that way. I am withdrawing those sentences.> I> > would try my best to get the opinion of Sri Rangacharya regarding> > this issue. I wish learned members can understand how much an> > engineer like me without any traditional parampara knowledge of> > Astrology could understand with a couple (literally two) meetings> > with Sri Rangacharya. In fact I recommend readers to study his> book> > Jaimini Sutramritam at least ten times to understand what he>

really> > mean, that too only the Sanskrit commentary.> >> > >>>Sanjay :That is one view. Another view is that * if Rahu> becomes> > the chara AK, it can give the consciousness necessary to be always> > aware of this bandhana and this awareness, or constant alertness> > about the bandhana leads to the spiritual realisation of moksha*.> > Then also there are thoughts about houses to see for this bandhana> > and moksha, which is really a deeper understanding of argala.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : This is again a view. Personally I also admit the> > above view also logical.> >> > >>>Sanjay :Thank you for admitting that Pitri Karaka was mentioned> in> > one of the manuscripts you saw.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : You are welcome.> >> >

>>>Sanjay : Sri Rangacharya¡¦s book is extremely good and is> strongly> > recommended.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much. It is indeed your scholarly> > gesture.> >> > >>>Sanjay : Sruti and Smriti: I am a bit confused about what you> are> > referring to as Sruti out here. Purana, Itihasa etc are the Smriti> > and the Vedas are the Sruti. So where does Sruti and smriti> > comparison come into the picture? Although most people follow the> > Vriddha karika *blindly*, I always try to teach with the> underlying> > principle. Now you agree that the 8th house principle is not from> > thin air or some meditation process but by definite mathematical> > derivation. If I had not shown this, everyone would have continued> to> > believe tat this came from simple

meditation and special sadhana...> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Yes, Vedas are the Sruti, and Purana, Ithihasas are> > Smruti. The point I want to make clear is that Vriddha karikas> must> > be given preference to any commentary as Sruti is given preference> to> > all.> >> > Yes, I follow Vriddha Karikas blindly. I may not understand the> > underlying principle behind those karikas as I am really a> beginner.> > But, I have full faith in them. Could you show one instance where> > any scholar or commentator ever proved / tried to prove Vriddha> > Karikas wrong. I would be very happy to learn and correct myself.> As> > far as I know they could stand up the test of time and scholars> like> > Sri Rangacharya, Sri Sanjay Rath and Sri Narasimha prove from time> to> > time that

they work well, though they take different routes but> > ultimately everything is there in Vriddhas. Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha> > Vadanthi.> >> > Kindly refer to your sentence itself elsewhere in your mail> > ¡§I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu when two> planets> > are in the same degree works well (...but this is logically> possible> > for 7 CK scheme only).> >> > In fact, Sri Rangacharya proved how Sammukha sign for dual sign is> > different from what is given by Neelakantha. He took the verses> from> > vriddha karaka itself, to prove how Neelakantha was wrong.> > Meditation and Sadhana is very important to correctly decipher the> > real meaning of any sasthra.> >> > >>>Sanjay : Krishna Mishra uses Lagnamsaka dasa as Ayur dasha...so> > many people

even use Vimsottari dasa as Ayur dasha for timing> various> > death events. Are they all wrong? Do you use Vimshottari for> timing> > death? Point is do not restrict if you have a reason and logic to> > believe that it is not restrictive. What about Pada-nathamsha> dasha?> > There are many opinions out there also. Are the words of Tajik> > Nilakantha and a few others to be taken blindly or are they to be> > tested against available literature of the Rishi¡¦s? I follow the> path> > of testing everything before using it. You are welcome to what you> > think is right.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : As I said earlier I am beginner and I am not trying> to> > hide out stating this. I can¡¦t comment on all the astrological> > pointers, I was clearly mentioning only about Jaimini pointers. I> >

wrote elsewhere in the same mail that one should resolve with> > scientific approach and practical examples.> > I know one scholar brought out a book on Mandooka dasa as> advocated> > by K.N.Rao and used it as phalita dasa. Well, She is not a layman,> > she was well educated, from traditional family and could win gold> > medal in ICAS exam at age of 60+ years. So the bottom line is that> > Astrologers could see every thing with each dasa. I very sorry if> I> > hurt any body.> >> > Since you mentioned about Pada nadhamsa dasa, I wish to mention> that> > Krishna Mishra himself didn¡¦t resolve it. Yes, every astrological> > principle must be tested. But against what? You say that against> > literature of Rishis. You treat available literature of Rishis as> the> > reference, I take Vriddha karikas

are the reference to the Jaimini> > Astrology. I know this is subjective.> >> > I too follow the test of everything except the literature of> Rishis.> > In fact I have been working on Chara Dasa given by Rahava Bhatta> and> > Nrisimha Suri in their commentaries and find it works wonderfully> for> > timing events like marriage.> >> > >>>Sanjay : Rashi Dristi, Padas! For heaven¡¦s sake please read> BPHS> > in its available version befpre commenting on Padas, Rashi Drishti> > etc. I do not argue on this as many published books are readily> > available.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry for using a Telugu slang. The> > word ¡§Parasari¡¨, I wrote, is not a TYPO, but is a slang in> Telugu> > which means "³ ¡§belongs to Parasara system¡¨.>

> Well, when the author of present modern available BPHS itself is> > debated, I find reading wonderful Jaimini Sutras to learn> principles> > like Rasi drishti, Padas etc is the best option. My point here is> why> > classical literature like Jataka Parijata, Phala Deepika etc.> never> > dealt these principles. Do you think they don¡¦t have the Parasara> > Hora available to them, or they considered worth not taking those> > principles?> >> > Then, why don¡¦t anybody out here openly discuss/ disclose those> > relevant karikas and those verses from those commentators who> > practiced only Rasi drishtis, Rasi dasas etc. Instead , I find> some> > learned scholars always refer to Parampara instead of quoting the> > Karikas and commentaries. I never find you (sanjay) doing so. Does> > anybody here

consider it is not worth discussing those> commentaries?> > Most of the scholars who write those wonderful expositions of> Jaimini> > principles ever tried to learn what Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri> > etc. have to say about these systems. I admit that a lot of> knowledge> > is available in traditional paramapars and also with native> > astrologers living in small remote villages. I know very well that> > you are great Jyotisha, and studied all those karikas and> > commentaries. But, how many others here did that. I also admit> that> > you are probably, the first person to openly share that Paramapara> > knowledge. Thank you very much.> >> > >>>Sanjay : BPHS as Vriddha Karika! No BPHS cannot be taken as a> > Vriddha Karika. If you say it can be, then you have to give some> > solid reasons

for the deviation.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : I am generally telling that BPHS can be considered> as> > Vriddha Karika keeping view that whatever has been said in BPHS> > regarding the issue can be considered. If you feel the other way,> you> > are welcome.> >> > >>>Sanjay : Now on the CK¡¦s: If Jaimini does not take MK and PuK> as> > one then you should have Eight CK not seven...I am missing your> logic.> >> > >>>Shanmukha : The relevant Jaimini Sutra reads as " Atmadhika> > Kaladirnabhoga Saptanaam Asthanam Va". It means Sage is saying> that> > the planet which has more degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma> > Karaka. Well, if one thinks that Jaimini asking us to consider the> > planet having more degrees out of 7 or 8 Karakas, doesn't hold>

good.> > Since, in the ensuing sutras he speaks about each every karaka by> > name, it is not necessary that sage telling the no. of chara> karakas> > to be considered. If one thinks that Sage indeed did that, then it> is> > dishonoring brevity the Sage follows. Jaimini never wastes even a> > letter; forget about a word, in his cryptic upadesa sutras. Each> and> > every word the great Sage speaks of has a very specific purpose> and> > distinct meaning. This is my humble view.> >> > Well, my Logic here is> >> > The planet having most Degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma> karaka.> > This is my understanding and if you feel this is not scholarly, I> > seek your blessings. I am not a Sanskrit scholar. The Sage> doesn¡¦t> > tell more than that. Then we must see whether vriddha

karika has> > anything to say. Fortunately, Vriddha karika tells the application> of> > this sutra.> > It can be deduced the other way if we don¡¦t consider the> vriddhas,> > which doesn¡¦t amuse anybody here. If you go by literal menaing of> the> > above sutra, we find the following> > Bhaga "³ Degrees Kala "³ Minutes, Vikala "³ Seconds. So, Atma> > karaka is the planet, which is having more minutes. Now, the other> > way of interpretation which sounds logical. If you look at the> word> > Kalaadi, we can deduce that Atma karaka is the planet, which has> more> > DMS (Degrees, Minutes, Seconds etc.). Then this entire problem> gets> > solved.> >> > So as you said we shall continuously test the principles with> > practical examples.> >> >

>>>Sanjay : Would like me to refer to some dictums about Rajayoga> > coming from the combinations of AK and Putra karaka? What happens> to> > Putra Karaka?> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Putra Karaka is very much there in the 7 CK scheme.> > The karaka missing is Pitri Karaka. So the raja yoga from the> > combination of AK and PK are valid in this scheme also.> >> > >>>Sanjay : What is the reason (grateful for any references) for> > taking different rules for karakas being in same degrees...you> have> > given different rules for AK + AmK, then different for> others...what> > is the reference or reason for doing this?> >> > >>>Shanmukha : The reason is very fact that we don¡¦t find sthira> > karaka for AK and AmK. I have given the reference there in the>

mail> > itself, vide the Vriddha Karaika sloka. It clearly mentions that> Swa> > Karaka (Atma Karaka) never gets omitted in Antya Karaka Lopa> Scheme.> > So, there no question of Chara Karaka Parivartana ( or> replacement)> > either by Sthira Karaka or any other Karaka. So, it seems Sri> > Rangacharya took Naisargika bala planet out of AK and AmK as Atma> > Karaka when AK and AmK are at same degree.> >> >> > >>>Sanjay : I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu> when> > two planets are in the same degree works well (...but this is> > logically possible for 7 CK scheme only).> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much for stating the fact.> >>> >>>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

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Namaste,|| Hare Krishna Hare Rama||I am into business for about 8 months , till now I have not gained even a rupee out of my business! I was working as Manager in a insurance company , I left my job and did house keeping business for 8 months, till now I am not been successful.Can you please analyze my birth chart and suggest me if professional life working under some company is good or can I flourish in this house keeping. I will be looking forward for u r kind replies.DOB:08/05/1980Time:6:05Place: 78E8 13N8Yours,Pavan

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Re: Download Article on Parasara's Drigdasa

Posted by: "Sanjay Rath" sjrath sanjayrath

Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:21 am (PST)

Dear SteveTrue, but we do not have the chart of Sri Patanjali, the incarnation ofAdi-shesha. We need to understand the significators of these housesvis-a-vis the houses and their mutual relations.RegardsSanjaysohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf OfStephen K. Sufian10 November 2008 02:20sohamsa@ .comRE: Re: Download Article on Parasara's DrigdasaThanks, Sanjay, that clears up why you were questioning Narasimha. Iunderstand the point of view here.To see whether this point of view from standard works (which I assume meanscognitions of Rishis) prevails or

whether Narasimha's original view (and mysupport of it) does it would be nice to look at some charts. Is theresomeone who is generally credited with having the siddhis, and whoseblessing of them was given at a roughly known age/year? If so, we could lookat his chart from the standpoint of several Dasha systems to see whether 6thhouse was involved, or not, at the time of siddhi acquistition.And as a comparison, perhaps someone who has a similar chart but who did notget the siddhis fulfilled during a Dasha when 6th Bhava was involved?Patanjali, would be nice, since he's the author of the Yoga Sutras. Somewhatcomplicated by the fact that the Shankaracharya of Kanchi relates thetraditional story that Patanjali was an incarnation of AdiSesha but since wecommonly analyze Ram's chart and Krishna's in standard terms, it should bedoable.Jai Shri Ganesh,Steve--- On Sun, 11/9/08, Sanjay

Rath <sjrath (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:Sanjay Rath <sjrath (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>RE: Re: Download Article on Parasara's Drigdasasohamsa@ .comSunday, November 9, 2008, 6:39 AMDear StephenAccording to all texts of Jyotish I have read so far, the sixth house is adestroyer of mantras ...and consequently siddhi’s. That is why I did notunderstand what he was trying to say. Fifth house is mantra bhava and 6thhouse is the destroyer of mantra.Logic is to be applied after we agree on basics of the standard classicworks.Best wishesSanjay Rathsohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On BehalfOf Stephen

K. Sufian06 November 2008 19:59sohamsa@ .comRE: Re: Download Article on Parasara's DrigdasaDon't understand: Narasimha's angle makes perfect sense -11th from the 8th,and then also as sixth house obstacles to sadhana. Seems to work.Could add another angle - 6th house is not merely obstacles, enemies, but itis the proxy for Kanya-Virginity- Purity and the ability to maintain purityin the midst of distractions. Also makes sense for siddhis. Successful traversing 6th house leads to the ability to perform successful7th house activities, to woo the princess (Big Self),get the highercontract, and live life on a higher plane, one in which what seemed to besiddhis are merely the natural abilities of the Cosmic Self.--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Sanjay Rath <sjrath (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:Sanjay Rath <sjrath (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>RE:

Re: Download Article on Parasara's Drigdasasohamsa@ .comThursday, November 6, 2008, 4:03 AMNarasimhaWhy should sixth house give siddhi’s? Reconsider pleaseSanjaysohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On BehalfOf Narasimha P.V.R. Rao06 November 2008 08:43sohamsa@ .com Re: Download Article on Parasara's DrigdasaNamaste Rajarshi ji,- Graha drishi can show a desire to get a guru, but rasi drishti is moreimportant.- Not sure. :-) Did not work that much on antardasas regarding this angle.- No.- I have no comments regarding AD, but say something on mahadasa. In a fewexamples I have seen, drigdasa with strong planets in the 6th house from thedasa lagna resulted in some siddhis. The 6th house is the 11th house offulfilment from 8th house of sadhana and

can show siddhis. However, rememberthat 6th house is also the house of obstacles. Siddhis or special abilitiesare actually obstacles in sadhana.Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam<http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana<http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom<http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net<http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org<http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org<http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---

In sohamsa@ <sohamsa@ .com> .com,"rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@ . ..> wrote:>> Dear Narasmihaji> > Kindly guide me on my confusions regarding the Drig Dasa. Eagerly > waiting for you reply.> > -Regards> Rajarshi> >> > Dear Narasimhaji> > Â > > I have been trying to apply the drig dasa principles taught by you > from the zip file below. I wanted to ask, you have said that if the > MD has rasi dristi from the chara BK and the 9th lord from Jupiter, > then that MD can bring a guru. If the drisit is only graha dirsti, > what can that mean? No rasi dristi but graha drisit.> > Â > > And seconldy when judging ADs in an MD, can I apply the above > principle to exactly find out when a person may get

guidance? Like > rasi dristi of 9th lord from Jupiter and chara BK on AD rasi?> > Â > > And like in Narayan Dasa, if the AD rasi is in dusthana from the > MD, does that mean that AD is bad for spiritual practises? > > Â > > And if the AD has lots of planets in the 6th house, can it mean > sad ripus or fights with people regarding spiritual things in that > AD?> > Â > > -Regards> > Â Rajarshi> > > > > > > > "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet> > > > --- On Sat, 18/10/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:> > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@>> > Re: Download Article on Parasara's Drigdasa> > "Kasim Khan" <kasim_ch@>, vedic astrology@<vedic astrology> . com, > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@ .com> .com, @<> . com> > Saturday, 18 October, 2008, 11:14 PM> > > > > > Namaste,> > Â > > As far as drigdasa is concerned, I am taking the dasa sign as > progressed 9th house and taking the 5th house from dasa sign as > progressed lagna. I am using the progressed lagna as a reference in > judging the chart. I am doing that in natal chart as well as dasa > pravesha chart.> > Â > > In my view, it applies to Narayana dasa, Chara

dasa, Trikona dasa > etcÂ also and even to ayur dasas like Shoola dasa.> > Â > > *Â Â Â Â Â Â Â *Â Â Â Â Â Â Â *> > Â > > Take Rajiv Gandhi's chart for example (1944 August 20, 7:12 am > IST, 72e49, 18n58).> > Â > > Take his bhratri shoola dasa (shoola dasa started from 3rd house). > Cp dasa killed brother. Cp is a trine from sthira bhratri karaka > Mars. Moreover, in the Cp dasa pravesha chakra, Mars and Rahu > afflict Cp and 8th house from Cp contains 7th and 8th lords. Thus, > this dasa can kill.> > Â > > Take his matri shoola dasa (shoola dasa started from 4th house). > Pi dasa killed mother. Pi contains A4. In the Pi dasa pravesha > chakra, 7th house from Pi has malefic Saturn and 8th house has Mars, > Gulika and Maandi. Thys, this dasa can kill.> > Â > > If you take

the regular shoola dasa, Cp dasa killed him. Cp is a > trine from AL. In Cp dasa pravesha chakra, 8th house has 8th lord > with Mars and Ketu. Thus, this dasa can kill.> > Â > > You can use Parasara's chara dasa as a simple phalita dasa. Chara > dasa of Aq made him India's prime minister. Aq contains A9 and 10th > from AL. From Aq, 7th house has a powerful combination. In the Aq > dasa pravesha chakra, 7th house contains a powerful raja yoga > between 4th, 5th, 7th and 9th lords, while 10th lords are in 10th > and 11th lord is in 11th. This dasa brought a raja yoga.> > Â > > Thus, dasa pravesha chakra is applicable in several dasas and a > vital part of interpreting dasas in my view.> > Â > > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----> -----> >

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > tarpana> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----> ----- > > Â > > --- In

sohamsa@ .com, Kasim Khan <kasim_ch@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Narasimha,> > >Â > > > Thank you for sharing your article.> > >Â > > > I notice that when looking at the Dasa Pravesh chart you look at > the chart by taking the dasa sign as the lagna.> > >Â > > > Do you do this in Narayana dasa and Sudasa too?> > >Â > > > Best wishes> > >Â > > > Kasim > > > http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 115454061/ direct/01/

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Re: Re : Chara Karakas

Posted by: "Sanjay Rath" sjrath sanjayrath

Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:25 am (PST)

Dear Ramdas ji7H from AK is the house of rebirth of the soul. If Rahu is AK then the 7thhouse from it has Ketu which is moksha karaka. That is why Rahu AK shows astrong potential for moksha...other factors favouring. One single factorcannot decide this that's why.RegardsSanjaysohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf OfRamadas Rao10 November 2008 22:34sohamsa@ .comRe :RE: Re : Chara KarakasOM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAHDear Dasgupta Ji,Namaste.Suppose if we change the AK to Moon who occupies Mesha Navamsha and 12thfrom him is Meena Rashi ruled by Guru and

Ketu is in trine to this MeenaRashi.Ketu is a Yogi planet for his chart.Ketu in the Navamsha is in theNakshatra of Ashlesha ruled by Budha and Budha occupies Kumbha Navamsha withShani and Guru there.As Shani iin Kumbha indicates worship of Kalika Deviand is with Guru who is MK and Puk,he took Sadhana of Mother Kalika Devi.Like this we can interpret also.But the question is whther Rahu can giveMoksha or not.Any ancient texts give any clue regarding this ?Rahu is theplanet of desire or Kama and Ketu is the planet of Tyaga or renunciation, soI strongly feel that if AK or 12th from him is related to Ketu can giveMoksha.Also here Ketu is in Karka Rashi ruled by Chandra who is AK.With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,Ramadas Rao.On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:09:58 +0530 sohamsa@ .com wroteDear Ramdasji,Namaskaar.

I have missed the thread of earlier discussions on this. But one thing must be kept in mind regardingRahu as AK and `Moksha' that AK of one of the greatest saints of this yugaSri Ramakrishna Paramhansa had Rahu as his AK.Any thought on this?Warm regards,JK sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com]On Behalf Of Ramadas RaoSunday, November 09, 2008 11:46 PMsohamsa@ .comRe : Chara KarakasOM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAHDear Gordon Ji and others,As you stated in your mail,Rahu can give desires or Kama but not Moksha or emancipation. But as

per the Shloka given in Jamini Sutras " atmadhiakaH kalaadirbhirna bhogassaptanamaShTa nam va ",among seven planets from Sun to Saturn,who gets highest degrees in a sign is called Atma Karaka.But Maharshi also givesan alternate opinion " ashtanam va " meaning Rahu can be added in this scheme.But he omitted Ketu.Here Kala means minutes.Bhaga means degrees and vikala means seconds.But regarding Atma Karaka,there is a Shloka which says" saeeShTe bandha mokshayoH " meaning Atma Karaka should be capabale of givingboth bondage ( Bandha ) and salvation ( Moksha ).So now if we involve Rahuas AK, then he can give only bondage and can not give Moksha as Moksha giving planet is Ketu which is not added in the Sapta (7) or Ashta (8) Karaka scheme.I hope this helps.With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,Ramadas Rao.On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:08:58 EDT sohamsa@ .com wroteDear Michal, Narasimha et al. I did not have time until today to look at all the arguments back and forth regaring Chara Karakas, but it does seem now that you've been missing out some considerations in this game of email boxing. Parashara's verses are not totally clear, neither are the Vriddhas quoted by Narasimha much clearer and so each person is championing a viewpoint and claiming that such and such proves this viewpoint is right. Neither wins just like that. Parashara does not say what happens when there are three or four or five or six or seven or even eight or nine planets on the same degree, which is theoretically possible. Nor does he say what happens when there are multiple sets of two planets of three planets on the same degree, which is not all that unusual. Should we assume that Rahu gets used more than once if there are two

pairs? - that could easily follow from Narasimha's interpretation of the Slokas. It could even arguably be that Matri and Putra Karakas were given as an example in the Slokas. Surely we should admit that Parashara's statements are not clear and look for more, not necessarily from Parashara. (Perhaps Sanjay is hiding them away and watching the entertainment from afar). Or perhaps we should just look for examples in well known charts to back up the arguments. There have not been many of those so far that I have seen. Also the argument that Rahu comes in when sexual reproduction takes places seems naturally correct. After all, you could say - no sex, no Rahu. Regards Gordon

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Re: Re : Chara Karakas

Posted by: "jk.dasgupta" jk.dasgupta jkdasgupta_in

Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:37 am (PST)

Dear Ramdasji,Sorry, somehow I overlooked your mail. From Sanjayji's mail - I saw that youreplied on 10th Nov.RegardsJKsohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com]On Behalf OfSanjay RathThursday, November 13, 2008 3:56 PMsohamsa@ .comRE: RE: Re : Chara KarakasDear Ramdas ji7H from AK is the house of rebirth of the soul. If Rahu is AK then the 7thhouse from it has Ketu which is moksha karaka. That is why Rahu AK shows astrong potential for moksha...other factors favouring. One single factorcannot decide this that's

why.RegardsSanjaysohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On BehalfOf Ramadas Rao10 November 2008 22:34sohamsa@ .comRe :RE: Re : Chara KarakasOM SHRI RAGHAVENDRA GURUBHYO NAMAHDear Dasgupta Ji,Namaste.Suppose if we change the AK to Moon who occupies Mesha Navamsha and 12thfrom him is Meena Rashi ruled by Guru and Ketu is in trine to this MeenaRashi.Ketu is a Yogi planet for his chart.Ketu in the Navamsha is in theNakshatra of Ashlesha ruled by Budha and Budha occupies Kumbha Navamsha withShani and Guru there.As Shani iin Kumbha indicates worship of Kalika Deviand is with Guru who is MK and

Puk,he took Sadhana of Mother Kalika Devi.Like this we can interpret also.But the question is whther Rahu can giveMoksha or not.Any ancient texts give any clue regarding this ?Rahu is theplanet of desire or Kama and Ketu is the planet of Tyaga or renunciation, soI strongly feel that if AK or 12th from him is related to Ketu can giveMoksha.Also here Ketu is in Karka Rashi ruled by Chandra who is AK.With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,Ramadas Rao.On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:09:58 +0530 sohamsa@ .com wroteDearRamdasji,Namaskaar.I have missed the threadof earlier discussions on this. But one thing must be kept in mindregardingRahu as AK and `Moksha' that AK of one of the greatest saints of this yugaSriRamakrishna Paramhansa had Rahu as his AK.Any thought

onthis?Warmregards,JK sohamsa@ .com[sohamsa@ .com]On Behalf Of RamadasRaoSunday, November 09, 2008 11:46 PMTo:sohamsa@ .comRe : CharaKarakasOM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAGURUBHYO NAMAHDear Gordon Ji and others,As you stated in yourmail,Rahu can give desires or Kama but not Moksha or emancipation. But asper the Shloka given in Jamini Sutras " atmadhiakaH kalaadirbhirnabhogassaptanamaShTa nam va ",among seven planets from Sun to Saturn,whogets highest degrees in a sign is called Atma Karaka.But Maharshi alsogivesan alternate opinion " ashtanam va " meaning Rahu can

be added in thisscheme.But he omitted Ketu.Here Kala means minutes.Bhaga means degrees andvikala means seconds.But regarding Atma Karaka,there is a Shloka whichsays "saeeShTe bandha mokshayoH " meaning Atma Karaka should be capabale ofgivingboth bondage ( Bandha ) and salvation ( Moksha ).So now if we involve RahuasAK, then he can give only bondage and can not give Moksha as Moksha givingplanet is Ketu which is not added in the Sapta (7) or Ashta (8) Karakascheme.I hope this helps.With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru NaamaSmarana,Ramadas Rao.On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:08:58 EDTsohamsa@ .comwroteDearMichal, Narasimha et al. I did not have time until today to lookat all the arguments back and forth regaring Chara Karakas, but it doesseem now that you've been missing out some considerations in this game ofemail boxing.

Parashara's verses are not totally clear, neitherare the Vriddhas quoted by Narasimha much clearer and so each person ischampioning a viewpoint and claiming that such and such proves thisviewpoint is right. Neither wins just likethat. Parashara does not say what happens when there are three orfour or five or six or seven or even eight or nine planets on the samedegree, which is theoretically possible. Nor does he say whathappens when there are multiple sets of two planets of three planets onthe same degree, which is not all that unusual. Should we assumethat Rahu gets used more than once if there are two pairs? - that couldeasily follow from Narasimha's interpretation of the Slokas. Itcould even arguably be that Matri and Putra Karakas were given as anexample in the Slokas. Surely we should admit that Parashara'sstatements are not clear and look for more, not necessarily fromParashara. (Perhaps

Sanjay is hiding them away and watching theentertainment from afar). Or perhaps we should just lookfor examples in well known charts to back up the arguments.There have not been many of those so far that I haveseen. Also the argument that Rahu comes in when sexualreproduction takes places seems naturally correct. After all, youcould say - no sex, noRahu. Regards Gordon

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Re: Panchamuki Hanuman Homam

Posted by: "Sanjay Rath" sjrath sanjayrath

Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:33 am (PST)

Dear Arpad jiNamaste.1. Sankranti is considered very auspicious for Hanuman worship andHanuman Jayanti is in Mesha sankranti, the king of all the 12 sankranti's.2. Tuesdays and Saturndays are considered auspicious for Hanuman puja,especially Saturday as Vayu Putra Hanuman and Tuesday as Ramaduta. However,Pancha-mukha (pancha tattva) Hanuman puja is best done on Mondays as this isRudra (pancha mukha rupa)3. Caturthi tithi coinciding with Tuesday is the best Tithi/Varacombination for any Angaraka avatara form (Matsya Purana, Shiva Upadesha forthe birth of Mangala graha from the body of Virabhadra).4. Ensure that the fifth house does not have any malefic planets and5. NO PLANETS are present in the 8th houseOther muhurta rules as per standard texts are not so important as the above.Best RegardsSanjay RathP.S. Remember to donate large quantity of

sweets for children after the pujaas prasadsohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf OfArpad Joo12 November 2008 10:37sohamsa@ .com Re: Panchamuki Hanuman HomamHare Rama Krishna,Dear learned members,I need guidelines for selecting Muhurta for Panchamuki Hanuman Homam.APujari friend of mine asked me to give him some muhurtas, but- frankly- Ihave never done this Homam before.(Although I have advised some time ago toanother friend to do this homam).In the Muneeswaran Temple, behind the old disused railroad station (nearChinatown), there is a Murti of Panchamuki Hanuman in stone- and the

Pujarirelated to me that the eyebrows started growing on the face of Simha. Realeyebrows. Devotees started to show up and scavenged the stone Murti,plucking the eyebrows- but it kept growing back.Anyway, my friend asked me to select some good muhurtas and here I woulddefer to more experienced members, who could advise me on PanchamukiHanuman.Pratyangira Homam:Those members who live in Singapore, please be advised that we are doing anelaborate Pratyangira Homam on next Amavasya at the same MuneeswaranTemple.There will not be many people, because this is more or less a privatefunction. The only other Muneeswaran Temple in Singapore is ,by theway,doing regularly public Pratyangira Homam every Amavasya. (NearQeenstown-Commonwea lth).In any case, if you would like to come to the Pratyangira Homam at the oldrailway station, you are welcome.Starts at 5.30pmWith deep respect to

all:AJsohamsa@ .com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Dear Steve,> > You asked for a postmortem of the US election prediction.> > I am afraid I settled down with a wrong birthtime for Obama.> > I did notice that he runs Jupiter's TA dasa in January 2009 and Jupiter is10th lord in 10th in rasi in annual TP chart. I did notice that Jupiter isalso the hora lord. These are conducive to power. But, when I saw the natalVimsottari dasa, antardasa of a planet in 12th in D-10 was running. Mahadasaof Jupiter was running and he is 8th lord in 7th. The natal Vimsottari dasadid not really suggest a big rise. In the TP dasamsa, 10th lord was in 6thwith Rahu and his dasa was running on Nov 4. Lagna lord Jupiter is in 8thwith uchcha bhanga. All this did not (and

does not) seem great to me.> > Relatively, I did more work on McCain chart and was more convinced of thetime. It was not that McCain's chart was super strong, but it seemedstronger than the above chart of Obama to me, with the little time I got tospend on this.> > Even when I look back now, I am not sure if 19:24 time mentioned inObama's birth certificate is correct. If I remain honest with the nakshatradasa and TP principles that normally work for me, using which I made manycorrect predictions, I cannot explain his big win with that time. Somethingis amiss. I am afraid the birthtime accepted by me is incorrect.> > This is the problem with political predictions, especially when the birthdata of both the candidates is controversial! In fact, there are court casesin US on both the candidates alleging that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenyaand McCain was born in proper Panama

(i.e. outside US military zone) andhence not natural born citizens. Bottomline is that there is too much ofuncertainty on the birth data.> > Of course, I accepted that 19:24 birthtime and chose to make a predictionusing it. So I must take responsibility for it and accept my defeat in thisissue. I do!> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > -- In sohamsa@ .com, "Stephen K. Sufian" veda108@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Narasimha,> > I don't know whether this quote by wesley is taken out of context: > I'm assuming it is. I admire you greatly and know that your > dedication to jyotish as a valid part of one's spiritual sadhana is > very high. I have not yet, though I so much

wished to, been able to > get into the details of your original prediction on the election to > see why it went awry. I hope you will explore this issue because we > need to keep refining our techniques in order to see clearly and act > realistically. Jyotish is called the "Eyes of the Veda". It is so > important for all of us that we see through these eyes. Please assist > us by exploring the actual results of the election and seeing what > jyotish tools will supplement the ones you originally used in order > to give us the correct results.> > Hare Rama Krishna> > Steve>

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Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri Sanjay

Posted by: "Sanjay Rath" sjrath sanjayrath

Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:37 am (PST)

Shanmukha, please mail the address to me at sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com Thank youso muchRegardsSanjay Rathsohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf OfShanmukha12 November 2008 11:31sohamsa@ .com Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri SanjayOm Namah SivayaNamaste Sri Sanjay,Thank you very much for clarifying about Vyasa. Regarding Sri Rangacharya --> I know his home address and I would be very much glad, if anything I could do in that regard.Seeking your Blessings,warm

regards,Shanmukha

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Re: Niryana Shoola Dasa (Re: Pronunciation of mantras)

Posted by: "Sanjay Rath" sjrath sanjayrath

Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:42 am (PST)

Dear SundeepThats a book in itself! Maybe next book. Niryana Shula is just about Nija dosha...what others are talking here is abit baffling even for me, so let's just leave it there. Yes just Nija dosha= Niryana Shula. The name speaks for itself.RegardsSanjay Rathsohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Ofvedicastrostudent12 November 2008 11:56sohamsa@ .com Niryana Shoola Dasa (Re: Pronunciation of mantras)Dear Narasimhaji and Sanjayji,In light of what seems to be recently happening, it would be great if both of you could clarify one thing. In general, whenever

you attribute a dasa system or other astrological quantity as showing a transformation/ spiritual experience, could you *please* indicate the *level of consciousness* at which that dasa-system/ astrological quantity focusses, so we can distinguish the different types of transformation/ spiritual experience shown by each?For example, I have heard the following, or perhaps simply wrongly understood it:1) Moola Dasha/antar of Jupiter causes some kind of deep insight/spiritual experience?2) AK replacement causes transformation at a very deep level(Narasimhaji of course now believes that there is no such thing)3) Drigdasa has always been said to show spiritual growth, so presumably it will show spiritual experiences/ transformations as well (and of course as we see Narasimhaji has now explained Rafalji's experiences presumably accurately)4) Sanjayji has now shown us Niryaana dasa as

well5) Of course, the Vimshottari of AK has frequently been indicated as having the potential to awaken one towards God.6) Even Narayana dasa of D-20 is perhaps significantI'm not trying to contradict anyone here, I'm simply trying to point out that with so many dasha systems/astrologica l quantities being presented as the ones showing spiritual experience/transfor mation, they may all be correct but showing experiences at very different levels of consciousness perhaps. Or maybe some may be changes in environment vs changes in some level of consciousness. So perhaps it might be good if the "where the change occurs" part were qualified? And to make it really clear, show us the chart of one great person, and show us how each of the above dasa systems/astrologica l quantities showed different things within the same person's life. That would really sharpen the

issues..Regards,Sundeepsohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ,"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Pranaam Sanjay,> > I will appreciate if you can clarify one thing.> > Is the idea of using Niryana Shoola dasa to see "spiritual quest and sadhana" coming from Achyuta parampara or your own?> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ,"Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> >> > Dear Arpad ji> > > > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this.

Just one point that perhaps> > you may have overlooked about the teachings - it is definitely foolish to> > even contemplate to speculate on meaning of the bija and other such things> > *during the course of the sadhana* ...I think it is this latter part that> > Guruji Janardhana Paramhamsa may have tried to emphasize as the mantra> > shastra books explain in great detail the formation of the bijas, their> > special names which have so much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu> > has multiple approaches depending on the path - Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta.> > Its all so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a flavour,> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was in the seed ...> > although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really not at all necessary. > > >

> > > > > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when nothing is> > forthcoming. For example for all the *sleep on floor* and *take bath in> > normal water* rules I rationalised, much much later, that it was all about> > not getting entangled with making beds, using warm water which soothes as> > opposed to cold water that awakens the nerves while normal water keeps the> > body at the best temperature for the weather. Another thing perhaps was that> > the mind would waste too much energy in a focus that was actually yet> > another hindrance or disturbance to the sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple> > Brahmin from Jagannath Puri but was quite strict about all this. Bhagavan> > Mishra was a great Durga sadhaka and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two> > of them).> >

> > > > > > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest and sadhana. It> > shows the transformations to the being. When the dasa rasi aspects the> > lagna, you will find the shakti associated with the planets getting invoked.> > The highest experience comes when the niryana shula dasha moves to signs> > looking at the chara atmakaraka.> > > > > > > > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath> > > > > > > > Maha Dasas:> > > > > > > > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07> > > > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07> > > > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 - has exalted Ketu (trim graha bija)> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara> > > > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 - has AK Saturn as

subhapati in DhanisTha> > nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess> > > > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07> > > > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 -Virgo antardasa - Diksha in the Sri Sarada> > Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe - this is Lagna with> > Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in which she talked in chaste> > Bengali with me and made me talk to her in chaste oriya...conversatio n> > continued for 2-3 hours and I understood every word. She does not know> > Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak in Puri. After that when I returned to> > normalcy...I am still shocked as I cannot understand Bengali well but am> > improving. Recently I decided to learn this language. Others present were> > shell shocked to see what was transpiring. > > > > My most

important lesson of life - Language is not a barrier with God and it> > answered my all time question - What language is God going to speak in when> > I meet Him after death?' That was a question from my youth and was answered> > without even asking.> > > > > > > > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07> > > > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 - I will change permanently. ..so technically> > I still have about a decade or so to finish my major jyotish teachings world> > wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure to come. Lets see what happens. Its> > tough to predict for oneself.> > > > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08> > > > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08> > > > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08> > > > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08> > > > > >

> > Sanjay Rath> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>[sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On Behalf Of> > Arpad Joo> > 07 November 2008 12:19> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > > Re: Pronunciation of mantras> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna,> > > > > > > > Dear SS and Narasimha,> > > > > > > > Perhaps some

tidbits from my encounter with one expert in the Mantra shastra> > will throw some additional light upon the erudite and scholarly commentary> > offered by Narasimha.> > > > I have come to the study of Sanskrit and Mantras from the "other end" as it> > were. Sound by sound. Letter (akshara) by letter.The building blocks of> > creation- as Guruji explained to me.> > > > Yes, Guruji. He was born in 1888 (!), a great Bengali yogi, by the name of> > Janardan Paramahamsa. He was a very fierce ascetic and a lifelong> > brahmachari. In his youth he was a terrorist( at least the british called him> > this way) but to many people he was a freedom fighter. (my version also)Upon> > taking disksha from his Guru,(gave up the freedom fighting days)and he has> > retired into the jungles for some 30 years to

do continous saddhana.> > According to some, he did't even talk to anyone for this period of time, as> > he has lived totally alone.> > > > It is from him that I have learned what I know about the building blocks of> > the Universe- the aksharas. He has called this Vidya variously Dvani yoga,> > Kriya Yoga, Shabda yoga etc. Labels did't matter too much though.> > > > He has intiated us (one by one) into the science of using Bija mantras> > properly. Each bija Mantra required a separate diksha. The Science (Vidya)> > is as exact as it possibly can be. Some Bija mantras "produced" only in> > inhalation, some others, only in exhalation.The exact technique leaves> > nothing to the imagination. (In fact imagination is discouraged) . The exact> > technique is a secret, it was and never will be

published.Knowing it> > however, enables one, when reading various Tantras, to understand what the> > writers have intended.> > > > Many Bija Mantras were taught, to some Saraswati Bija, others,Shiva Bija,yet> > othersLakshmi, Durga,Varma, occasionally Krodha,Kinkini, Kama, Etc> > > > Guruji was up by 3 30 am every morning, and we naturally followed his> > example. We did saddhana all day. Guruji had awesome siddhis, which> > manifested with "alarming" ease, nearly all the time.Naturally. His> > prescriprion for every problem in life, whether marital,financial, carrier or> > anything else was: SADDHANA. MORE SADDHANA.> > > > Now to the 4 levels of sound- as described by scholarly Narasimha.> > > > One of us was freshly intitiated into the use and mysteries of

Saraswati> > Bija. Guruji usually asked for fruits and flowers and some coins (Guru> > dakshina), then put up the picture of his Gurus (going back to the great> > Matang Rishi), and gave the diksha.He had his own way of doing things, such> > as opening the spine (by his touch) and then almost inaudibly whispering the> > Mantra into the right ear. (please take note: Panchang/Yoga/ Hearing).> > > > He was nearly 90 when we met..> > > > Then the sadhak started doing Saraswati saddhana. All the time.> > > > Through Guruji's grace a few days(!) afterward there came a moment when> > the Mantra just exploded.Exploded. There is no other ways to describe> > it.Sonic boom. Of course ordinary consciousness is shifted,enlarged at this> > moment. The sense of ego, "I" (how laughable)is gone,

like a bad dream.The> > Bija sound engulfs the meditator, envelopes the whole being. All is> > sound.The Saraswati Bija then starts to reveal itself, it's true sound> > more and more. AIM- as how we pronounce it -(Vaikhari level) is just a> > faint, VERY faint replica, a shadow of the real thing. Then, Saraswati Bija> > will shift yet another "gear" upward, to the next level. Here the multitude> > of sounds becomes a single sweet sound- (emanating from the heart> > region),and at this level, of course consciousness shift also into a> > different mode altogether.> > > > When the sadhak "came back" to his normal everyday consciousness and related> > all this to Guruji, he just smiled and simply said:"Oh, you have heard> > Saraswati play her Veena".> > > > (Technically, the explosion

is a sign of prana and apana uniting. It is> > unmistakable. Can be frightening in the beginning as it is very loud.)> > > > Guruji discouraged all mental speculations about the philosophical nature of> > Mantras, especially Bija Mantras. Saddhana.more Saddhana was his constant> > advice.> > > > As always, he was right.> > > > > > > > I sincerely hope though that the small explanation above is somewhat> > useful, looking at the same thing, from a different angle.> > > > > > > > With deep respect to all:> > > > > > > > AJ> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ,"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

<pvr@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste SS,> > > > > > Sabda (loosely translated as sound or vibration) has 4 levels -vaikhari,> > madhyama, pastanti and para. When moving parts of our gross body (e.g. lips)> > move the gross bodies of objects around us (particles in air) and this> > vibration is perceived by the senses attached to the gross bodies of people> > around us (e.g. ears), that vibration is at the level of vaikhari. When we> > are talking about pronunciation of mantras, we are essentially talking about> > vaikhari.> > > > > > But we are not just our sthoola sareera (gross body). There is also a> > sookshma sareera (subtle body), kaarana sareera (causal body) and finally> > MahaKaarana sareera (cosmic body). Just as vibration in sthoola

sareera> > creates vaikhari, vibrations in other levels also create vibrations at other> > levels.> > > > > > The image you have in mind when you chant a mantra and the thoughts you> > are thinking when you chant a mantra go towards shaping the subtle> > vibrations behind a mantra. They vibrate the space around you at the subtle> > level.> > > > > > Once you cause of vibration of space around you (at gross or subtle> > level), it is there. One with an ability to perceive it can perceive it. Of> > course, the deity of your mantra does not receive just the gross vibration> > produced by you, but receives and responds to the entirety of the vibrations> > produced by you at all levels.> > > > > > Vaikhari is the least powerful level and para is the most

powerful level.> > > > > > All the scholarly preoccupation with the correct pronunciation etc is a> > little trite. The devotion, sense of surrender and the ability to create the> > correct mental images and correct thoughts to accompany the chanting of the> > mantra are far more important.> > > > > > Of course, it is helpful to pronounce the mantra correctly too. I am not> > saying ignore the correct pronunciation. Do your BEST to get it correct. But> > all I am saying is that that plays a small part and a bigger part is played> > by other factors which are often ignored. Do NOT ignore those.> > > > > > Secondly, being a child as opposed to an arrogant scholar helps with gods.> > If you can be like a child who is lost by parents at a fair and crying for> > them,

it is easier to find god. As a matter of fact, we ARE almost like a> > clueless little children left by parents at the fair (of samsara)!> > > > > > Best regards,> > > Narasimha> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.

home.comcast. net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- > > > > > > > Dear Arpad,> > > > > > > > This is a very interesting acount you have given. It also raises a > > > > rhetoric question whether water ceases to exist as water if called > > > > paani, aab etc. This is so far as gross items go. > > > > > > > > For mantras that act at a subtle level there can be 2 veiws or more:> > > > > > > > 1. Correct pronunciation is a must

(why then is there emphasis on the > > > > same while reciting vedas etc.) - or else rakshati and bhakshati can > > > > yeild different results (wonder if someone really evaluated that)> > > > > > > > 2. Meaning/Essence of the mantra should be understood and the effect > > > > thus proceeds from there. > > > > > > > > Both veiws may be right in their own way. > > > > > > > > A prayer may have no words, yet can be effective.> > > > > > > > Example of Valmiki reciting Mara-Mara is popular - whichever category > > > > that one falls in!> > > > > > > > Thanx for your time.> > > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > SS>

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Re: Niryana Shoola Dasa (Re: Pronunciation of mantras)

Posted by: "Sanjay Rath" sjrath sanjayrath

Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:43 am (PST)

Dear PathMaybe now! Can I expect one now.RegardsSanjaysohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf OfPartha Sarathy12 November 2008 12:45sohamsa@ .comRe: Niryana Shoola Dasa (Re: Pronunciation of mantras)Dear SundeepSorry for butting in. But all these are different.Moola dasa is more for "root" or moola karma.AK replacement is not a dashaInfact i remember that even Brahma dasa shows spirituality, but i didnotwrite article on it, because i didnot understand the dasa then.(Sanjayji hadasked me to write on Brahma dasa)VImhsottari of AK is more

pain than gain really.regardspartha

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Re: Rafal's chart (Re: Pronunciation of mantras)

Posted by: "Sanjay Rath" sjrath sanjayrath

Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:53 am (PST)

Dear SS/Rafal and all others,Please also look at planets in these houses and if none are there, then thelord of the house and the arudha associated with it.In the chart of Rafal, 1. Vrschika is the 6H (bad) but its lords are Mars and Ketu (moksakaraka); Mars ia lord of Karakamsa and joins the Karakamsa (see D9) whileKetu is in 5H from karakamsa) ...yet that is not sufficient; Moon (Krishna)aspects Vrschika as it is lord of MANTRAPADA A5 in Cancer; Mantrapada alsoaspects Vrschika; Therefore during Vrschika dasa he did lots of Mantras,most of mantra were Krishna mantra2. Now ...do I also have do this *exercise* for Tula dasa or do youpeople have the patience to look at it rationally?3. Remember Saturn is the worst as significator of 6H...this is the*foundation of Hinduism*... anyone saying otherwise is actually startinganother religion...now why did I say that?

Please thinkIts so easy to see if you are prepared to just look a little. Sorry for anywords that may seem harsh, that is not the way it is meant to be, but I haveto be straight and clearIf you can do Tula dasa I shall be happy, else after a few days I will dothis.RegardsSanjaysohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf OfSoul Sadhak12 November 2008 16:12sohamsa@ .com Rafal's chart (Re: Pronunciation of mantras)Dear Narasimha/Rafal,Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa - viz. e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs, taking 6th from

here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he gets Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher learning.May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some writings (A3 in 9th house).Best Regards,SSsohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ,"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>> Dear Rafal,> > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress.> > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa is of Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed lagna is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in 12th including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna lord and nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual life.> > Best

regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> , RafalGendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:> > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar> *> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual progress was > during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have association > with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth and joining > AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality. ..maybe I have wrong > definitins.. but thats my anubhava.> > October 25, 1982> Time: 19:35:30> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00"> >

Where I went wrong?> *> Regards,> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@> >

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Re: Pronunciation of mantras

Posted by: "Rafal Gendarz" starsuponme jyotraff

Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:18 am (PST)

*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*Dear Sanjayji, NamaskarChart attached. I think you already have it.Regards,Rafal Gendarz------------ --------- --------http://rohinaa. comrafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comSanjay Rath pisze:>> Rafal, Why am I getting Taurus Lagna? JHora says 2 hours time zone and > you say 1 hour. Why this difference? Is the place Gleiwitz.>> Sanjay>> >> >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] > *On Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz> *Sent:* 09 November 2008 18:52> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> *Subject:* Re: Re: Pronunciation of mantras>> >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> Dear Sanjayji,

Namaskar> *> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual progress > was during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have > association with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is > fifth and joining AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality. > ..maybe I have wrong definitins.. but thats my anubhava.>> October 25, 1982> Time: 19:35:30> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 18 E 41' 00", 50 N 13' 00">> Where I went wrong?> *> Regards,> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> www: http://rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa. com> / email: > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT)

com>>>> Sanjay Rath pisze:>> Dear Arpad ji>> Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one point> that perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is> definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on meaning of> the bija and other such things **during the course of the> sadhana** ...I think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana> Paramhamsa may have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books> explain in great detail the formation of the bijas, their special> names which have so much meaning. Every akshara of the bija> nighantu has multiple approaches depending on the path --> Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta. Its all so wonderfully divined and then> the meaning only adds a flavour, perhaps a another way to> understand that the banyan tree was in the seed ... although from> the

viewpoint of sadhana it is really not at all necessary.>> >> The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when> nothing is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor**> and **take bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much> later, that it was all about not getting entangled with making> beds, using warm water which soothes as opposed to cold water that> awakens the nerves while normal water keeps the body at the best> temperature for the weather. Another thing perhaps was that the> mind would waste too much energy in a focus that was actually yet> another hindrance or disturbance to the sadhana. My Gurudev was a> simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri but was quite strict about all> this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great Durga sadhaka and taought me the> Mahavidya (at least two of them).>> >> I

suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest and> sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the dasa> rasi aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with> the planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when> the niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara> atmakaraka.>> >> Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath>> >> Maha Dasas:>> >> Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07>> Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07>> Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim graha> bija) ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara>> Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as subhapati in> DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess>> Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07>> Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa --

Diksha in the> Sri Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe --> this is Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience> in which she talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to> her in chaste oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I> understood every word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya> we speak in Puri. After that when I returned to normalcy...I am> still shocked as I cannot understand Bengali well but am> improving. Recently I decided to learn this language. Others> present were shell shocked to see what was transpiring.>> My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a barrier with> God and it answered my all time question -- What language is God> going to speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a> question from my youth and was answered without even asking.>>

>> Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07>> Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change permanently. ..so> technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my major> jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure to> come. Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself.>> Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08>> Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08>> Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08>> Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08>> >> Sanjay Rath>> >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .> com] *On Behalf Of *Arpad Joo> *Sent:* 07 November 2008 12:19> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> *Subject:* Re: Pronunciation of mantras>> >> >> >> Hare Rama Krishna,>> >> Dear SS and

Narasimha,>> >> Perhaps some tidbits from my encounter with one expert in the> Mantra shastra will throw some additional light upon the erudite> and scholarly commentary offered by Narasimha.>> I have come to the study of Sanskrit and Mantras from the "other> end" as it were. Sound by sound. Letter (akshara) by letter.The> building blocks of creation- as Guruji explained to me.>> Yes, Guruji. He was born in 1888 (!), a great Bengali yogi, by the> name of Janardan Paramahamsa. He was a very fierce ascetic and a> lifelong brahmachari. In his youth he was a terrorist( at least> the british called him this way) but to many people he was a> freedom fighter. (my version also)Upon taking disksha from his> Guru,(gave up the freedom fighting days)and he has retired into> the jungles for some 30 years to do continous saddhana.

According> to some, he did't even talk to anyone for this period of time, as> he has lived totally alone.>> It is from him that I have learned what I know about the building> blocks of the Universe- the aksharas. He has called this Vidya> variously Dvani yoga, Kriya Yoga, Shabda yoga etc. Labels did't> matter too much though.>> He has intiated us (one by one) into the science of using Bija> mantras properly. Each bija Mantra required a separate diksha. The> Science (Vidya) is as exact as it possibly can be. Some Bija> mantras "produced" only in inhalation, some others, only in> exhalation.The exact technique leaves nothing to the imagination.> (In fact imagination is discouraged) . The exact technique is a> secret, it was and never will be published.Knowing it however,> enables one, when reading various Tantras, to understand what the>

writers have intended.>> Many Bija Mantras were taught, to some Saraswati Bija,> others,Shiva Bija,yet othersLakshmi, Durga,Varma, occasionally> Krodha,Kinkini, Kama, Etc>> Guruji was up by 3 30 am every morning, and we naturally followed> his example. We did saddhana all day. Guruji had awesome siddhis,> which manifested with "alarming" ease, nearly all the> time.Naturally. His prescriprion for every problem in life,> whether marital,financial, carrier or anything else was: SADDHANA.> MORE SADDHANA.>> Now to the 4 levels of sound- as described by scholarly Narasimha.>> One of us was freshly intitiated into the use and mysteries of> Saraswati Bija. Guruji usually asked for fruits and flowers and> some coins (Guru dakshina), then put up the picture of his Gurus> (/going back to the great Matang Rishi)/, and gave the

diksha.He> had his own way of doing things, such as opening the spine (by his> touch) and then almost inaudibly whispering the Mantra into the> right ear. (please take note: Panchang/Yoga/ Hearing).>> He was nearly 90 when we met....>> Then the sadhak started doing Saraswati saddhana. All the time.>> *Through Guruji's grace* a /few days/(!) afterward there came a> moment when the Mantra just exploded.*Exploded. * There is no other> ways to describe it.Sonic boom. Of course ordinary consciousness> is shifted,enlarged at this moment. The sense of ego, "I" (how> laughable)is gone, like a bad dream.The Bija sound engulfs the> meditator, envelopes the whole being. All is sound.The Saraswati> Bija then starts to reveal itself, it's true sound more and> more. AIM- as how we pronounce it --(Vaikhari level) is just a> faint, VERY faint replica,

a shadow of the real thing. Then,> Saraswati Bija will shift yet another "gear" upward, to the next> level. Here the multitude of sounds becomes a single sweet sound-> (emanating from the heart region),and at this level, of course> consciousness shift also into a different mode altogether.>> When the sadhak "came back" to his normal everyday consciousness> and related all this to Guruji, he just smiled and simply> said:"Oh, you have heard Saraswati play her Veena"...>> (Technically, the explosion is a sign of prana and apana uniting.> It is unmistakable. Can be frightening in the beginning as it is> very loud.)>> Guruji discouraged all mental speculations about the philosophical> nature of Mantras, especially Bija Mantras. Saddhana...more> Saddhana was his constant advice.>> *As always, he was right.*>>

>> I sincerely hope though that the small explanation above is> somewhat useful, looking at the same thing, from a different angle.>> >> With deep respect to all:>> >> AJ>>> sohamsa@ .com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr> <pvr@ ...> wrote:> >> > Namaste SS,> >> > Sabda (loosely translated as sound or vibration) has 4 levels -> vaikhari, madhyama, pastanti and para. When moving parts of our> gross body (e.g. lips) move the gross bodies of objects around us> (particles in air) and this vibration is perceived by the senses> attached to the gross bodies of people around us (e.g. ears), that> vibration is at the level of vaikhari. When we are talking about> pronunciation of mantras, we are essentially talking about vaikhari.>

>> > But we are not just our sthoola sareera (gross body). There is> also a sookshma sareera (subtle body), kaarana sareera (causal> body) and finally MahaKaarana sareera (cosmic body). Just as> vibration in sthoola sareera creates vaikhari, vibrations in other> levels also create vibrations at other levels.> >> > The image you have in mind when you chant a mantra and the> thoughts you are thinking when you chant a mantra go towards> shaping the subtle vibrations behind a mantra. They vibrate the> space around you at the subtle level.> >> > Once you cause of vibration of space around you (at gross or> subtle level), it is there. One with an ability to perceive it can> perceive it. Of course, the deity of your mantra does not receive> just the gross vibration produced by you, but receives and> responds to the entirety of the

vibrations produced by you at all> levels.> >> > Vaikhari is the least powerful level and para is the most> powerful level.> >> > All the scholarly preoccupation with the correct pronunciation> etc is a little trite. The devotion, sense of surrender and the> ability to create the correct mental images and correct thoughts> to accompany the chanting of the mantra are far more important.> >> > Of course, it is helpful to pronounce the mantra correctly too.> I am not saying ignore the correct pronunciation. Do your BEST to> get it correct. But all I am saying is that that plays a small> part and a bigger part is played by other factors which are often> ignored. Do NOT ignore those.> >> > Secondly, being a child as opposed to an arrogant scholar helps> with gods. If you can be like a child who is lost by

parents at a> fair and crying for them, it is easier to find god. As a matter of> fact, we ARE almost like a clueless little children left by> parents at the fair (of samsara)!> >> > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> ---------> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> ---------> >> > > Dear Arpad,> > >> > > This is a very interesting acount you have given. It also> raises a> > > rhetoric question whether water ceases to exist as water if> called> > > paani, aab etc. This is so far as gross items go.> > >> > > For mantras that act at a subtle level there can be 2 veiws or> more:> > >> > > 1. Correct pronunciation is a must (why then is there emphasis> on the> > > same while reciting vedas etc.) - or else rakshati and> bhakshati

can> > > yeild different results (wonder if someone really evaluated that)> > >> > > 2. Meaning/Essence of the mantra should be understood and the> effect> > > thus proceeds from there.> > >> > > Both veiws may be right in their own way.> > >> > > A prayer may have no words, yet can be effective.> > >> > > Example of Valmiki reciting Mara-Mara is popular - whichever> category> > > that one falls in!> > >> > > Thanx for your time.> > >> > > Best Regards,> > > SS> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com <http://www.avg. com> >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release 2008-11-09 09:53 >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->>> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1780 - Release 2008-11-10 20:58>> ----------1025198219.355000-1.000000-18.41000050.1300000.000000-1.000000-1.0000000181KnurowPoland1

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November 13, 2008

Namaste Sri Vrindavan Das,

> My humble take is that when we run the Niryana shoola dasa

> of a house wherein arudhas connected to spirituality (A8, A5,

> A9, AL) are housed there would be very special experiences.

>

> In the case of Swami Sivananda, his Sg dasa should have been

> one of significance because it houses the A8.

The original rule mentioned by Sanjay ji was that AK or lagna should

be aspected by dasa sign. Now, you are adding A8, A5, A9 and AL.

Let us take the chart of Swami Sivananda as an example. Ar, Le, Li and

Cp are aspected by AK. Ta, Cn, Sc and Aq are aspected by lagna. What

Sanjay ji mentioned has already covered 8 out of 12 signs. You are

adding 2 more (Sg and Pi). So 10 out of 12 dasas are covered!

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa , " Sri Vrindavan \(Das.BTS\) "

<sudhar108 wrote:

>

> Dear Jyotisha

>

> Hare Krishna

>

> The Niryana Shoola Dasa works perfectly in my case.If its expected

to show death, the death(transformation) experienced is of material

qualities and areas of life indicated by the Arudhas. The Arudhas

should indicate that which is not true but which is manifest in this

world as a reality. My humble take is that when we run the Niryana

shoola dasa of a house wherein arudhas connected to spirituality (A8,

A5, A9, AL) are housed there would be very special experiences. In the

case of Swami Sivananda, his Sg dasa should have been one of

significance because it houses the A8. This would awaken the Kundalini

and put the native through intense process of understanding who they

are and who Sri Jagannatha is atleast to the extent of their adhikara.

>

> .In my case I am currently running the dasa of the sign housing the

AL and I would go as far as saying that this has been the most

transformative time where the experiences have been very intense and

deep. My sadhana has been intense and there have been amazing

benedictions bestowed by my parampara (Srila Prabhupada) and my Gurudeva.

>

> Needless to say, I am also running the Moola Antara dasa of my

AK(seen from the Moon) which is also capable of this., But the

experiences started almost on par with the NSD of my AL.To add the AL

is aspected by the AK (Rasi dristhi).

>

> I am hesitant to share my birth data on the list, but just wanted to

buttress the point that this dasa is quite effective to my limited

cognisance and knowledge of Jyotisha.

>

> Regards

>

> Sri Vrindavan das (Sudharsan)

>

> Please Chant ----

>

> HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA

> KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE

> HARE RAMA HARE RAMA

> RAMA RAMA HARE HARE

>

> and Be happy

>

> Please Visit

> www.gitanagari.com

> www.btswami.com

> www.ifast.net

> www.newvrindaban.com

>

> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, sohamsa

<sohamsa > wrote:

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa >

> Digest Number 2375

> sohamsa

> Thursday, November 13, 2008, 7:46 AM

>

SoHamsa

>

> Messages In This Digest (20 Messages)

>

> 1a.

> Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) Sanjay Prabhakaran

> 1b.

> Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) Sanjay Rath

> 1c.

> Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart) Rafal Gendarz

>

> 2a.

> Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

jyothi_b_lakshmi

>

> 3a.

> Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic Partha Sarathy

> 3b.

> Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic Sanjay Prabhakaran

> 3c.

> Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic Karu Heenkenda

> 3d.

> Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic Partha Sarathy

> 3e.

> Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic Karu Heenkenda

> 3f.

> Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic Rafal Gendarz

>

> 4.

> Business is in Loss ! Please give me u r Kind Suggestion ! Pawan

>

> 5.1.

> Re: Download Article on Parasara's Drigdasa Sanjay Rath

>

> 6a.

> Re: Re : Chara Karakas Sanjay Rath

> 6b.

> Re: Re : Chara Karakas jk.dasgupta

>

> 7a.

> Re: Panchamuki Hanuman Homam Sanjay Rath

>

> 8a.

> Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri Sanjay Sanjay Rath

>

> 9a.

> Re: Niryana Shoola Dasa (Re: Pronunciation of mantras) Sanjay

Rath

> 9b.

> Re: Niryana Shoola Dasa (Re: Pronunciation of mantras) Sanjay

Rath

>

> 10a.

> Re: Rafal's chart (Re: Pronunciation of mantras) Sanjay Rath

>

> 11a.

> Re: Pronunciation of mantras Rafal Gendarz

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> 1a.

>

> Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)

> Posted by: " Sanjay Prabhakaran " sanjaychettiar sanjayprabhakaran

> Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:20 pm (PST)

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Jyotishas and Narasimhaji,

>

> Can it be possible that Swami Shivananda had a spiritual progress

made back

> in Libra dasa itself('04 to '11), when progressed 8th house was over Ak

> Moon?.

> I was thinking that maybe one could still linger around for some

time after

> get certain spiritual direction and then get the Guru/Sanyasa at a later

> time?

>

> From his autobiography,

>

> > " The Magazine(Ambrosia) quickly gained popularity soon after its

inception

> > in 1909. Distinguished contributors started contributing for it.

Once my

> > mother wanted to celebrate some festival and was in need of about one

> > hundred and fifty rupees to meet the expenses. I was ready with

this sum.

> >

> > The " Ambrosia " journal was successfully run for four years until I

sailed

> > for Malaya. It was of demi-quarto size, thirty-two pages each

issue, and was

> > quite beautifully got up. The material that its contents presented

to the

> > reader every month was attractive and highly useful to all medical

> > practitioners. A significant spiritual touch could be felt in the

pages of

> > the " Ambrosia. " Unlike other medical journals, the entire outlook

was based

> > on the teachings of the sages of yore. *Spirituality was ingrained

in me

> > even in my youth*. "

> >

>

> Moon stands for " Soma " the magazine is called " Ambrosia " . This happens

> during the 8th house transit (NSDasa) over Moon. Of course during

the same

> time Narayana dasa was also of Libra. So this can be explained using

> Narayana dasa also

>

> Basically, My idea was just that why to look for some other 8th

house dasa?,

> Maybe I can try things out using this NSDasa itself to see if it works.

> Another point I had in mind was that , Spiritual inclination can

start much

> earlier than when we meet Guru is was my opinion. In my own example

during

> Cancer dasa (Progressed 8th house in Capricorn) was terrible

financially and

> mentally, But it made me think about higher powers, destiny and

divinity.

> But I started some normal sadhana like regular worship etc only much

later.

> The driving force is still my experiences in Cancer dasa. Hopefully

I have

> given my humble opinion on this.

>

> With Warm Regards and namaskaarams,

> Sanjay P

> o<-<

>

> Niryana Shoola Dasa (death):

>

> Maha Dasas:

>

> Le: 1887-09-08 (4:16:00 am) - 1895-09-08 (5:21:28 am)

> Vi: 1895-09-08 (5:21:28 am) - 1904-09-08 (12:49:48 pm)

> *Li: 1904-09-08 (12:49:48 pm) - 1911-09-09 (7:47:52 am)

> ** Sc: 1911-09-09 (7:47:52 am) - 1919-09-09 (8:57:50 am)

> * Sg: 1919-09-09 (8:57:50 am) - 1928-09-08 (4:25:31 pm)

> Cp: 1928-09-08 (4:25:31 pm) - 1935-09-09 (11:26:07 am)

> Aq: 1935-09-09 (11:26:07 am) - 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm)

> Pi: 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) - 1952-09-08 (8:05:35 pm)

> Ar: 1952-09-08 (8:05:35 pm) - 1959-09-09 (3:00:29 pm)

> Ta: 1959-09-09 (3:00:29 pm) - 1967-09-09 (4:11:39 pm)

> Ge: 1967-09-09 (4:11:39 pm) - 1976-09-08 (11:37:36 pm)

> Cn: 1976-09-08 (11:37:36 pm) - 1983-09-09 (6:41:50 pm)

>

> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Sivananda

>

> His Autobiography http://dlshq. org/download/ autobio.htm

>

> Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

>

> Maha Dasas:

>

> Cn: 1887-09-08 (4:16:00 am) - 1890-09-07 (10:43:56 pm)

> Le: 1890-09-07 (10:43:56 pm) - 1902-09-09 (12:21:34 am)

> Vi: 1902-09-09 (12:21:34 am) - 1903-09-09 (6:36:00 am)

> *Li: 1903-09-09 (6:36:00 am) - 1913-09-08 (8:02:40 pm)*

> Sc: 1913-09-08 (8:02:40 pm) - 1920-09-08 (3:15:29 pm)

> Sg: 1920-09-08 (3:15:29 pm) - 1930-09-09 (4:37:15 am)

> Cp: 1930-09-09 (4:37:15 am) - 1936-09-08 (5:43:28 pm)

> Aq: 1936-09-08 (5:43:28 pm) - 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm)

> Pi: 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) - 1948-09-08 (7:24:45 pm)

> Ar: 1948-09-08 (7:24:45 pm) - 1950-09-09 (7:39:14 am)

> Ta: 1950-09-09 (7:39:14 am) - 1953-09-09 (2:06:09 am)

> Ge: 1953-09-09 (2:06:09 am) - 1955-09-09 (2:28:06 pm)

> Cn: 1955-09-09 (2:28:06 pm) - 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm)

> Le: 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) - 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm)

> Vi: 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) - 1975-09-09 (5:22:17 pm)

> Li: 1975-09-09 (5:22:17 pm) - 1977-09-09 (5:42:27 am)

> Sc: 1977-09-09 (5:42:27 am) - 1982-09-09 (12:33:34 pm)

> Sg: 1982-09-09 (12:33:34 pm) - 1984-09-09 (12:54:37 am)

> Cp: 1984-09-09 (12:54:37 am) - 1990-09-09 (1:38:08 pm)

> Aq: 1990-09-09 (1:38:08 pm) - 1995-09-09 (8:31:10 pm)

> Pi: 1995-09-09 (8:31:10 pm) - 2002-09-09 (3:26:31 pm)

> Ar: 2002-09-09 (3:26:31 pm) - 2012-09-09 (5:05:33 am)

> Ta: 2012-09-09 (5:05:33 am) - 2021-09-09 (12:22:18 pm)

> Ge: 2021-09-09 (12:22:18 pm) - 2031-09-10 (1:59:56 am)

>

> 2008/11/12 Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>

>

> > Namaste SS,

> >

> > Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola

dasa sign as

> > progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th or 2nd) is

based on

> > sound principles.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing

spiritual

> > progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When Parasara

taught dasas,

> > he only taught calculations and not judgment. But niryana shoola

dasa is an

> > exception. He talked about judgment as well. He specifically said

> > " niryaanasya vichaaraartham " , i.e. " for analyzing death " , and

gave a rule.

> > He did NOT mention spiritual quest and progress. Sanjay ji made that

> > suggestion without indicating whether the suggestion is based on a

classic

> > or teaching of his elders or his own observation.

> >

> > In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation

between

> > niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress.

> >

> > Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was a

doctor

> > who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India on a

pilgrimage

> > in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got initiated and then

renounced

> > the world. He spent a few years doing sadhana in a small hut

infested by

> > snakes and scorpions. This intense tapascharya culminated in a

nirvikalpa

> > samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to

1928. This

> > is the dasa that brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual

> > [non]experience.

> >

> > Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna

have an

> > aspect on Sg.

> >

> > Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note

happening (along

> > the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana shoola dasa when

the most

> > intense sadhana and/or the highest spiritual experiences came.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the soul's

> > attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously for

spiritual

> > progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th house

shows sadhana.

> > There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for showing how sadhana

> > progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana shoola dasa is the

one. A dasa

> > is defined not just by the starting point, but also by the way it

> > progresses. This dasa may or may not be apt for seeing spiritual

progress.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more interesting.

Drigdasa

> > of Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar drigdasa

started that

> > he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa totally transformed his

life. If

> > you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as progressed lagna, you may note

that AK

> > Sun and BK Mercury are in lagna and three planets, including natal

8th lord,

> > are in the 12th house of moksha.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com, " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> >

> > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs, taking

> > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he gets

> > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher learning.

> > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some

> > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > SS

> > >

> > >> Dear Rafal,

> > >>

> > >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress.

> > >>

> > >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa is of

> > >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed

lagna

> > >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in 12th

> > >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna lord and

> > >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual life.

> > >>

> > >> Best regards,

> > >> Narasimha

> > >>

> > >> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@

..com<sohamsa@ .com>>,

> >

> > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > >> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > >> *

> > >> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual

progress was

> > >> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have

association

> > >> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth and

joining

> > >> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality. ..maybe I

have wrong

> > >> definitins.. but thats my anubhava.

> > >>

> > >> October 25, 1982

> > >> Time: 19:35:30

> > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > >> Place: 18 E 41' 00 " , 50 N 13' 00 "

> > >>

> > >> Where I went wrong?

> > >> *

> > >> Regards,

> > >> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > >> www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@

> > >>

> > >> Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > >> >

> > >> > Dear Arpad ji

> > >> >

> > >> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one

point that

> > >> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is

> > >> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on

meaning of the

> > >> > bija and other such things **during the course of the

sadhana** ...I

> > >> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana

Paramhamsa may

> > >> > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain

in great

> > >> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which

have so

> > >> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has multiple

> > >> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva,

Shakta. Its all

> > >> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a flavour,

> > >> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was

in the

> > >> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really

not at

> > >> > all necessary.

> > >> >

> > >> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when

nothing

> > >> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor**

and **take

> > >> > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much later,

that it

> > >> > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using

warm water

> > >> > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the

nerves while

> > >> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the

weather.

> > >> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much

energy in

> > >> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or

disturbance to the

> > >> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri

but was

> > >> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great

Durga sadhaka

> > >> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them).

> > >> >

> > >> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest and

> > >> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the

dasa rasi

> > >> > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with the

> > >> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when the

> > >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara

atmakaraka.

> > >> >

> > >> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath

> > >> >

> > >> > Maha Dasas:

> > >> >

> > >> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07

> > >> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07

> > >> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim graha bija)

> > >> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara

> > >> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as subhapati in

> > >> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess

> > >> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07

> > >> > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha in

the Sri

> > >> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe --

this is

> > >> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in

which she

> > >> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in

chaste

> > >> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I

understood every

> > >> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak in

Puri.

> > >> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked as I

> > >> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I

decided to

> > >> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to see

what was

> > >> > transpiring.

> > >> >

> > >> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a barrier

with God

> > >> > and it answered my all time question -- What language is God

going to

> > >> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question

from my

> > >> > youth and was answered without even asking.

> > >> >

> > >> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07

> > >> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change permanently. ..so

> > >> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my major

> > >> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure

to come.

> > >> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself.

> > >> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08

> > >> > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08

> > >> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08

> > >> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08

> > >> >

> > >> > Sanjay Rath

> >

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> Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)

> Posted by: " Sanjay Rath " sjrath sanjayrath

> Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:03 am (PST)

> Dear Rafal

>

> Thats a nice beginning and well discussed, now go on and finish the

entire

> writing about your Niryana shula dasha. Analyse Nija dosha and bring out

> very clearly how Krishna helped you to overcome so much dosha in the

> Vrschika dasha (see my another mail).

>

> Then go to Tula see the deb Sun, exalted Sat and all those jokers

afflicting

> mantresa and see the obstacles. Question is how to overcome

these...and also

> question is *is any ija dosha being cleansed during this dasa?*

Examine this

> very carefully.

>

> Then take this to another level by checking the mula dasha and the

> experiences of curses by joining the two

>

> Best wishes

>

> Sanjay Rath

>

> sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On

Behalf Of

> Rafal Gendarz

> 12 November 2008 22:31

> sohamsa@ .com

> Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)

>

> om namo bhagavate narasimhaya

> Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaskar

>

> This Sanjayji rule must work, but we just overlook something or are

> uninformed about the full concept of reading this dasa.

>

> Questioning the statements of Parampara can be appreciated in western

> culture and science but for branch of Vedanga its just

> devastating.

>

> For example my Vrscika lord is ishta deva and its yuti Karakaamsa so its

> quallified to provide vijnana in that time. Whilst

> Libra is yuti Brahma (6L from Karakalagna) and Guru AK is weak to

provide

> atmajnana due to weakness of soul (brahma).

>

> That is one way out of this predicament. .

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> ------------ --------- --------

> http://rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa. com>

> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

>

> Soul Sadhak pisze:

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> Though 8th hs is indicative of longevity/death, it is also a house of

> transformation, as you know. Transformation is death of what we were

> to what we beocme - like a caterpillar turns into a butterfly.

>

> If the NSD (Nirayana Shoola Dasa) is seen with this respect, then it

> may be that the person may undergo tremendous suffering in the period

> related to AK or Lg - and as Lakshmi said, the line has to be drawn

> between ordinary and advanced souls - different people may be

> experiencing the effect of transformation at different levels based

> on thier own level of spiritual awareness.

>

> Spiritually advanced souls are likely to take this as a call for

> harnessing these energies and transmute them into the next level of

> internal changes, while ordinary beings may just wonder about the

> turmoil they are going through.

>

> Well, anyways, only looking at more and more charts can tell whether

> NSD is applicable so.

>

> Best Regards,

> SS

>

> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ,

> " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@ ...> <pvr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I sent prematurely.

> >

> > Let me make the last point I wanted to make.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Forget drigdasa. Even Narayana dasa of rasi chart is interesting.

> The Sg dasa ran from 1920 to 1930. Taking Sg as lagna, 9th house of

> guidance contains AK and BK and the 8th house is very strong with

> Mars, Saturn and nodal axis. This suggests that the native may do

> intense sadhana in this dasa.

> >

> > Though 8th house is important for sadhana, it is not necessary that

> every dasa based on the 8th house should show sadhana. One can focus

> on 8th house in other dasas such as Narayana dasa.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

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> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> >

> > -

> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:49 AM

> > Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)

> >

> > Namaste SS,

> >

> > Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola

> dasa sign as progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th

> or 2nd) is based on sound principles.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing

> spiritual progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When

> Parasara taught dasas, he only taught calculations and not judgment.

> But niryana shoola dasa is an exception. He talked about judgment as

> well. He specifically said " niryaanasya vichaaraartham " , i.e. " for

> analyzing death " , and gave a rule. He did NOT mention spiritual quest

> and progress. Sanjay ji made that suggestion without indicating

> whether the suggestion is based on a classic or teaching of his

> elders or his own observation.

> >

> > In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation

> between niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress.

> >

> > Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was

> a doctor who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India

> on a pilgrimage in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got

> initiated and then renounced the world. He spent a few years doing

> sadhana in a small hut infested by snakes and scorpions. This intense

> tapascharya culminated in a nirvikalpa samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa

> of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to 1928. This is the dasa that

> brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual [non]experience.

> >

> > Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna

> have an aspect on Sg.

> >

> > Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note

> happening (along the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana

> shoola dasa when the most intense sadhana and/or the highest

> spiritual experiences came.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the

> soul's attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously

> for spiritual progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th

> house shows sadhana. There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for

> showing how sadhana progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana

> shoola dasa is the one. A dasa is defined not just by the starting

> point, but also by the way it progresses. This dasa may or may not be

> apt for seeing spiritual progress.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more interesting.

> Drigdasa of Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar

> drigdasa started that he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa

> totally transformed his life. If you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as

> progressed lagna, you may note that AK Sun and BK Mercury are in

> lagna and three planets, including natal 8th lord, are in the 12th

> house of moksha.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

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> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40.

com> , " Soul

> Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> >

> > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa -

> viz.

> > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs,

> taking

> > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he

> gets

> > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher

> learning.

> > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some

> > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > SS

> > >

> > >> Dear Rafal,

> > >>

> > >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress.

> > >>

> > >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa

> is of

> > >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed

> lagna

> > >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in

> 12th

> > >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna

> lord and

> > >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual

> life.

> > >>

> > >> Best regards,

> > >> Narasimha

> > >>

> > >> sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com>

..com

> <sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40.

com> >,

> > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > >> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > >> *

> > >> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual

> progress was

> > >> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have

> association

> > >> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth

> and joining

> > >> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality. ..maybe I

> have wrong

> > >> definitins.. but thats my anubhava.

> > >>

> > >> October 25, 1982

> > >> Time: 19:35:30

> > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > >> Place: 18 E 41' 00 " , 50 N 13' 00 "

> > >>

> > >> Where I went wrong?

> > >> *

> > >> Regards,

> > >> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > >> www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> <http://rohinaa. com

> <http://rohinaa. com> > / email: rafal@

> > >>

> > >> Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > >> >

> > >> > Dear Arpad ji

> > >> >

> > >> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one

> point that

> > >> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is

> > >> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on

> meaning of the

> > >> > bija and other such things **during the course of the

> sadhana** ...I

> > >> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana

> Paramhamsa may

> > >> > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain

> in great

> > >> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which

> have so

> > >> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has multiple

> > >> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva,

> Shakta. Its all

> > >> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a

> flavour,

> > >> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was

> in the

> > >> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really

> not at

> > >> > all necessary.

> > >> >

> > >> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when

> nothing

> > >> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor**

> and **take

> > >> > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much

> later, that it

> > >> > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using

> warm water

> > >> > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the

> nerves while

> > >> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the

> weather.

> > >> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much

> energy in

> > >> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or

> disturbance to the

> > >> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri

> but was

> > >> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great

> Durga sadhaka

> > >> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them).

> > >> >

> > >> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest

> and

> > >> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the

> dasa rasi

> > >> > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with

> the

> > >> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when

> the

> > >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara

> atmakaraka.

> > >> >

> > >> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath

> > >> >

> > >> > Maha Dasas:

> > >> >

> > >> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07

> > >> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07

> > >> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim

> graha bija)

> > >> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara

> > >> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as

> subhapati in

> > >> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess

> > >> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07

> > >> > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha

> in the Sri

> > >> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe --

> this is

> > >> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in

> which she

> > >> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in

> chaste

> > >> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I

> understood every

> > >> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak

> in Puri.

> > >> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked

> as I

> > >> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I

> decided to

> > >> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to

> see what was

> > >> > transpiring.

> > >> >

> > >> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a

> barrier with God

> > >> > and it answered my all time question -- What language is God

> going to

> > >> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question

> from my

> > >> > youth and was answered without even asking.

> > >> >

> > >> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07

> > >> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change

> permanently. ..so

> > >> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my

> major

> > >> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure

> to come.

> > >> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself.

> > >> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08

> > >> > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08

> > >> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08

> > >> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08

> > >> >

> > >> > Sanjay Rath

> >

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> Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)

> Posted by: " Rafal Gendarz " starsuponme jyotraff

> Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:08 am (PST)

> *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

>

> Here in fifth/tula we have big predicament. .

>

> Shukra and Guru are cursed, Shukra is combusted..its combustion

leads to

> ending the pravrajayoga in years of 23/24 - which was the fact. Guru is

> weak and its 6L from its position being also brahma and dont have any

> drsti of a5 or its lord.

>

> Now its Shani-Shukra Moola dasa. Both connected to curse and its

> spiritual weakness. Shukra is 7L with badhakesh from Shastyaamsa giving

> some weakness coming from relationships. Being in 2 from AL with Guru

> gives definitely kama-nija-dosha.

>

> To overcome this we must strengthen the Surya to decrease Shani and

> Shukra effect. Surya being PD and DD can indicate Matangi or Sri Rama.

>

> Dhanus antardasa was however weak spiritually and its also have the

same

> Ma/Ke, but doesnt have the influence of A5 - does gives the difference

> or some position between MD and AD? In other case why Sc Mahadasa was

> good and Sg AD doesnt provide the similar fruits.

>

> CP was much better when I was inspired by Jaimini course to dwell into

> sadhana more. It has lord of A5, eight bhava and 4 from Karaka Lagna

> housing the 4L from Karakaamsa.

>

> Is it close to what you have suggesting?

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> ------------ --------- --------

> http://rohinaa. com

> rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

>

> Sanjay Rath pisze:

> >

> > Dear Rafal

> >

> > Thats a nice beginning and well discussed, now go on and finish the

> > entire writing about your Niryana shula dasha. Analyse Nija dosha and

> > bring out very clearly how Krishna helped you to overcome so much

> > dosha in the Vrschika dasha (see my another mail).

> >

> > Then go to Tula see the deb Sun, exalted Sat and all those jokers

> > afflicting mantresa and see the obstacles. Question is how to

overcome

> > these...and also question is **is any ija dosha being cleansed during

> > this dasa?** Examine this very carefully.

> >

> > Then take this to another level by checking the mula dasha and the

> > experiences of curses by joining the two

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa]

> > *On Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz

> > *Sent:* 12 November 2008 22:31

> > *To:* sohamsa@ .com

> > *Subject:* Re: Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)

> >

> > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaskar

> >

> > This Sanjayji rule must work, but we just overlook something or are

> > uninformed about the full concept of reading this dasa.

> >

> > Questioning the statements of Parampara can be appreciated in western

> > culture and science but for branch of Vedanga its just

> > devastating.

> >

> > For example my Vrscika lord is ishta deva and its yuti Karakaamsa so

> > its quallified to provide vijnana in that time. Whilst

> > Libra is yuti Brahma (6L from Karakalagna) and Guru AK is weak to

> > provide atmajnana due to weakness of soul (brahma).

> >

> > That is one way out of this predicament. .

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > ------------ --------- --------

> > http://rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa. com>

> > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com>

> >

> > Soul Sadhak pisze:

> >

> > Dear Narasimha,

> >

> > Though 8th hs is indicative of longevity/death, it is also a house of

> > transformation, as you know. Transformation is death of what we were

> > to what we beocme - like a caterpillar turns into a butterfly.

> >

> > If the NSD (Nirayana Shoola Dasa) is seen with this respect, then it

> > may be that the person may undergo tremendous suffering in the period

> > related to AK or Lg - and as Lakshmi said, the line has to be drawn

> > between ordinary and advanced souls - different people may be

> > experiencing the effect of transformation at different levels based

> > on thier own level of spiritual awareness.

> >

> > Spiritually advanced souls are likely to take this as a call for

> > harnessing these energies and transmute them into the next level of

> > internal changes, while ordinary beings may just wonder about the

> > turmoil they are going through.

> >

> > Well, anyways, only looking at more and more charts can tell whether

> > NSD is applicable so.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > SS

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa% 40. com>, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

> > <pvr@> <pvr@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > I sent prematurely.

> > >

> > > Let me make the last point I wanted to make.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Forget drigdasa. Even Narayana dasa of rasi chart is interesting.

> > The Sg dasa ran from 1920 to 1930. Taking Sg as lagna, 9th house of

> > guidance contains AK and BK and the 8th house is very strong with

> > Mars, Saturn and nodal axis. This suggests that the native may do

> > intense sadhana in this dasa.

> > >

> > > Though 8th house is important for sadhana, it is not necessary that

> > every dasa based on the 8th house should show sadhana. One can focus

> > on 8th house in other dasas such as Narayana dasa.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/

> > homam <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam>

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/

> > tarpana <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana>

> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> > <http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom>

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net

> > <http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net>

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > <http://www.VedicAst rologer.org>

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> > <http://www.SriJagan nath.org>

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

> > > -

> > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > > Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:49 AM

> > > Swami Sivananda (Re: Rafal's chart)

> > >

> > > Namaste SS,

> > >

> > > Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola

> > dasa sign as progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th

> > or 2nd) is based on sound principles.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing

> > spiritual progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When

> > Parasara taught dasas, he only taught calculations and not judgment.

> > But niryana shoola dasa is an exception. He talked about judgment as

> > well. He specifically said " niryaanasya vichaaraartham " , i.e. " for

> > analyzing death " , and gave a rule. He did NOT mention spiritual quest

> > and progress. Sanjay ji made that suggestion without indicating

> > whether the suggestion is based on a classic or teaching of his

> > elders or his own observation.

> > >

> > > In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong correlation

> > between niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress.

> > >

> > > Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He was

> > a doctor who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India

> > on a pilgrimage in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got

> > initiated and then renounced the world. He spent a few years doing

> > sadhana in a small hut infested by snakes and scorpions. This intense

> > tapascharya culminated in a nirvikalpa samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa

> > of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to 1928. This is the dasa that

> > brought this intense sadhana and highest spiritual [non]experience.

> > >

> > > Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna

> > have an aspect on Sg.

> > >

> > > Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note

> > happening (along the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana

> > shoola dasa when the most intense sadhana and/or the highest

> > spiritual experiences came.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the

> > soul's attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously

> > for spiritual progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th

> > house shows sadhana. There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for

> > showing how sadhana progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana

> > shoola dasa is the one. A dasa is defined not just by the starting

> > point, but also by the way it progresses. This dasa may or may not be

> > apt for seeing spiritual progress.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more interesting.

> > Drigdasa of Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar

> > drigdasa started that he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa

> > totally transformed his life. If you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as

> > progressed lagna, you may note that AK Sun and BK Mercury are in

> > lagna and three planets, including natal 8th lord, are in the 12th

> > house of moksha.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

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> > >

> > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa% 40. com>, " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > >

> > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa -

> > viz.

> > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs,

> > taking

> > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he

> > gets

> > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher

> > learning.

> > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some

> > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > SS

> > > >

> > > >> Dear Rafal,

> > > >>

> > > >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress.

> > > >>

> > > >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa

> > is of

> > > >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The progressed

> > lagna

> > > >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in

> > 12th

> > > >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna

> > lord and

> > > >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual

> > life.

> > > >>

> > > >> Best regards,

> > > >> Narasimha

> > > >>

> > > >> sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > <sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40.

com>>,

> > > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > >> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > > >> *

> > > >> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual

> > progress was

> > > >> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have

> > association

> > > >> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth

> > and joining

> > > >> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality. ..maybe I

> > have wrong

> > > >> definitins.. but thats my anubhava.

> > > >>

> > > >> October 25, 1982

> > > >> Time: 19:35:30

> > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > >> Place: 18 E 41' 00 " , 50 N 13' 00 "

> > > >>

> > > >> Where I went wrong?

> > > >> *

> > > >> Regards,

> > > >> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > >> www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com>

> > <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com>> / email: rafal@

> > > >>

> > > >> Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear Arpad ji

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one

> > point that

> > > >> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it is

> > > >> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on

> > meaning of the

> > > >> > bija and other such things **during the course of the

> > sadhana** ...I

> > > >> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana

> > Paramhamsa may

> > > >> > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain

> > in great

> > > >> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names which

> > have so

> > > >> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has multiple

> > > >> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva,

> > Shakta. Its all

> > > >> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a

> > flavour,

> > > >> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree was

> > in the

> > > >> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is really

> > not at

> > > >> > all necessary.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers when

> > nothing

> > > >> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor**

> > and **take

> > > >> > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much

> > later, that it

> > > >> > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using

> > warm water

> > > >> > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the

> > nerves while

> > > >> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the

> > weather.

> > > >> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too much

> > energy in

> > > >> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or

> > disturbance to the

> > > >> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath Puri

> > but was

> > > >> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great

> > Durga sadhaka

> > > >> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them).

> > > >> >

> > > >> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual quest

> > and

> > > >> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When the

> > dasa rasi

> > > >> > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated with

> > the

> > > >> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when

> > the

> > > >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara

> > atmakaraka.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Maha Dasas:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07

> > > >> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07

> > > >> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim

> > graha bija)

> > > >> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara

> > > >> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as

> > subhapati in

> > > >> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess

> > > >> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07

> > > >> > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha

> > in the Sri

> > > >> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe --

> > this is

> > > >> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in

> > which she

> > > >> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in

> > chaste

> > > >> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I

> > understood every

> > > >> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak

> > in Puri.

> > > >> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still shocked

> > as I

> > > >> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I

> > decided to

> > > >> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to

> > see what was

> > > >> > transpiring.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a

> > barrier with God

> > > >> > and it answered my all time question -- What language is God

> > going to

> > > >> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question

> > from my

> > > >> > youth and was answered without even asking.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07

> > > >> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change

> > permanently. ..so

> > > >> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my

> > major

> > > >> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure

> > to come.

> > > >> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself.

> > > >> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08

> > > >> > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08

> > > >> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08

> > > >> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Sanjay Rath

> > >

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> Re: 6th house related to spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

> Posted by: " jyothi_b_lakshmi " jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:46 am (PST)

> Dear members,

>

> In my experience whenever I passed through Rahu Sub period, (Rahu in

> 6th(Scorpio) ), there had been an irresistable urge to pursue

> spiritual interests. May be because Scorpio is a Moksha trine.

>

> I think if the 6th house falls in Moksha trine, 6th lord or planets

> posited in it can trigger spiritual interests. Dont know if I am

> right.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> sohamsa@ .com, " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> > Dear Michal and Rafal.

> > Yes, everyone who takes birth in material world has to have 'sin'.

> > And every being has a chart and every chart has dustanas!

> > Funny isnt it?

> > So , from your points of view what happens with the 6th house,its

> occupants and its lord,

> > in the charts of pure devotees, and incarnations/ avataras? Is the

> 6th house ,etc an obstacle

> > for the pure ones?

> > Hope we are all on the same page by now.

> > Best wishes

> > Lakshmi

> > I dont have JH uploaded on this computer but perhaps someone who

> has data and time

> > frames for incidents in their lives can post details of Lord Rama,

> Sri Krishnas charts and let

> > us look at their 6th house and divine lila.Let us learn something.

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > Dear Lakshmi , Namaskar

> > > *

> > > So first ascertain based on chart why He was Krishna (like Garga

> did)

> > > and then judge the rest of the chart based on that.

> > > *

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > http://rohinaa. com

> > > rafal@

> > >

> > > Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > Dear Michal,

> > > > So what are we arguing about????

> > > >

> > > > I did NOT say anywhere -that without the person in

> > > > front of us we can not access it properly.Is that what

> > > > you are saying?

> > > >

> > > > Im simply saying.

> > > > 1) Do not judge a mundane persons chart by the same

> > > > view as a spiritual person.

> > > > Otherwise you are committing an offense.

> > > > example- look at Krishnas life, born in a prison cell,

> > > > uncle is a murderer, he spends his life fighting with

> > > > people,all the ladies and most people are in love with

> > > > him, kidnaps a wife, etc. that is 100% mundane vision.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Next point -Unless you know who it is and/OR are

> > > > able to RECTIFY the time of the chart.. then you are

> > > > just guessing on the varga divisions.

> > > > Now if you are a competent astrologer, by looking at a

> > > > " blind " chart you still should be able to look at the

> > > > rasi and navamsa and have a pretty darn good idea

> > > > about someone. Who they are ,what they are.

> > > > (However if a jyotisha has developed his vision

> > > > through mantra etc he should beable to give a

> > > > reading,Thats were that extra blessing of ones guru

> > > > come in handy.)

> > > >

> > > > Either way , who ever the chart belongs to the PROCESS

> > > > for analysis is the same, start with Lagna,everything

> > > > follows from there.

> > > >

> > > > If you dont have opportunity for accurate data/ability

> > > > to rectify dates- then use prashna and other nimmita,

> > > > etc You know this already

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > >

> > > > --- Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@

> > > > <nearmichal% 40> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Then what do we do if we are just given a chart?

> > > > > You are saying that without the person who it

> > > > > belongs to in front of us we cannot assess it

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Call me a purist, but I believe we should be able to

> > > > > just read the chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > For that we need proper definitions,

> > > > >

> > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > Michal

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@

> > > > <lakshmikary %40. com>>

> > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40.

com>

> > > > > Thursday, 13 November, 2008 7:50:09 AM

> > > > > Re: 6th house related to

> > > > > spiritual matters to Narasimha and Rafal

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > You sound very angry these days, even though- try

> > > > > not

> > > > > to be rude when replying to people.

> > > > >

> > > > > How and why is my " logic " bad " ?PLease elaborate.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) I said a pure devotees chart needs to be viewed

> > > > > in

> > > > > a different light then average persons. (And that

> > > > > desha,kala, and patra shouldnt be forgotten under

> > > > > any

> > > > > circumstance)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)The rashi chart is the physical manifestation and

> > > > > is

> > > > > a perfectly appropriate place to start ones

> > > > > examination of a chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) I never said the bhava changes. Only that the

> > > > > person viewing the chart , needs to keep in mind who

> > > > > and what he is looking at.

> > > > > It is a matter of vantage point.

> > > > > ie one average persons 6th house might relate more

> > > > > to

> > > > > his job,sadripus etc etc (many levels)

> > > > > whereas a pure devotees " job " is to serve guru and

> > > > > /or

> > > > > mission,

> > > > > and the Jyotishi needs to see with this vision.

> > > > >

> > > > > In a pure devotees/spirituali st/yogi (any lineage)

> > > > > chart you have to see the chart in spiritual view,

> > > > > not

> > > > > view it as mundane person life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Where is the issue you have with my " logic "

> > > > > Perhaps you were in too big of a hurry reading

> > > > > through

> > > > > my post to begin with..

> > > > > ps I was making a point, NOT arguing for or against

> > > > > any dasa system

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your logic is bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhava doesnt change the meaning based on position

> > > > > of

> > > > > > person (like the

> > > > > > avastha can - ex.different results of rajayoga for

> > > > > > sudra/king - Saravali).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sixth bhava from Lagna or Karaka Lagna is normally

> > > > > > bad for spirituality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your concept about seva is related to Vimsamsa

> > > > > > Varga. Sixth bhava in

> > > > > > Rasi can act for the sake of spirituality but

> > > > > there

> > > > > > simply must be yoga

> > > > > > for that (like 5,6,8 houses connected by yoga

> > > > > /even

> > > > > > sookshma yoga/ like

> > > > > > in case of Srila Prabhupada or Sanjay Rath - to

> > > > > > teach Veda/Vedanga in

> > > > > > foreign country [Chandra Kala Nadi]).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------

> > > > > > http://rohinaa. com

> > > > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lakshmi Kary pisze:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krisna

> > > > > > > Dear Narasimha and Rafal,

> > > > > > > I think you have to draw a line between the

> > > > > > 'average'

> > > > > > > person who is a spiritual seeker and the

> > > > > > extraordinary

> > > > > > > persons.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For average persons 6th house is part of ARTHA

> > > > > > > trikona.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But for a real spiritual person who is 100%

> > > > > > engaged in

> > > > > > > devotional serivce of some sort ,somebody like a

> > > > > > pure

> > > > > > > devotee ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >then the 6th house becomes a house of

> > > > > > service/work to

> > > > > > > guru and mission.

> > > > > > > Only the really dedicated have given up

> > > > > > everything,

> > > > > > > given it all to guru and mission.Give all the

> > > > > > fruits

> > > > > > > of their actions to guru/mission.

> > > > > > > Rest of people are part time...if yu know what I

> > > > > > mean.

> > > > > > > The 6th house is sadripu and will obstruct

> > > > > average

> > > > > > > person path.

> > > > > > > But for a pure person, it is seen and dealt with

> > > > > > > differently, often increasing their service and

> > > > > > > intensity in sadhana.

> > > > > > > with regards,

> > > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak

> > > > > > <soulsadhak% 40> >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can a similar logic be made while using

> > > > > Nirayana

> > > > > > > > Shoola Dasa - viz.

> > > > > > > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch

> > > > > falls

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 6th hs, taking

> > > > > > > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get

> > > > > > Vrisch

> > > > > > > > in 8th); he gets

> > > > > > > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th

> > > > > > house -

> > > > > > > > higher learning.

> > > > > > > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9)

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > also made some

> > > > > > > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > > > > SS

> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > " Narasimha P.V.R.

> > > > > > > > Rao " <pvr@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > progress.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct

> > > > > 2004.

> > > > > > > > When drigdasa is of

> > > > > > > > Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in

> > > > > Cn.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > progressed lagna

> > > > > > > > is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4

> > > > > > > > planets are in 12th

> > > > > > > > including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis

> > > > > > contains

> > > > > > > > lagna lord and

> > > > > > > > nodes. This stands out as an important period

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > spiritual life.

> > > > >

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> Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic

> Posted by: " Partha Sarathy " partvinu partvinu5

> Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:13 am (PST)

> Hi,

>

> I tend to agree that NSD need not be seen for spirituality at all.

>

> In Scorpio dasa having AK and BK, except starting to learn

astrology, i did

> nothing special. Also, at that time, i had feelings that astrology

is all

> science and has nothing to do with spirituality or God. The dasa was

infact

> bad, because i was atheist during the entire 8 years period.

>

> Whreas Libra having Pik Rahu, and not having any connection to lagna

or AK,

> and having only a graha drishti of Guru was supposedly more spiritual.

> Using convoluted logic, i may say Scorpio was more spiritual because of

> questioning God, and questioning everything, but strictly speaking

what was

> spiritual about it? I am not sure, if i am missing something here.

>

> Cp: 1976-12-15 (8:27:06) - 1983-12-16 (3:24:47)

> Sg: 1983-12-16 (3:24:47) - 1992-12-15 (10:52:16)

> Sc: 1992-12-15 (10:52:16) - 2000-12-15 (12:10:26)

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>

> DOB 15 december, 1976, 8 27 AM, New delhi.

>

> regards

> partha

> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Partha Sarathy <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT)

com> wrote:

>

> > Hi

> >

> > Since my comp is down at home, can anybody calculate niryana

shoola dasa

> > for me and send it back in text format(i dont have jhora).

> >

> > Details

> > 15 december 1976

> > Time: 8 27:06

> > Place: New Delhi

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@

.co. in>wrote:

> >

> >> Om Namah Sivaya

> >>

> >> Namaste Sri Sanjay,

> >>

> >> Thank you very much for clarifying about Vyasa.

> >> Regarding Sri Rangacharya --> I know his home address and I would be

> >> very much glad, if anything I could do in that regard.

> >>

> >> Seeking your Blessings,

> >>

> >> warm regards,

> >> Shanmukha

> >>

> >> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>,

" Sanjay Rath "

> >> <sjrath@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Namaste Shanmukha

> >> >

> >> > I will be precise and to the point –

> >> >

> >> > 1. The topic was about dating Parasara as in BPHS. I think you

> >> have

> >> > deviated and mixed with Vriddhas here.

> >> > 2. There is a different Vyasa for each Yuga and for the present

> >> Sri

> >> > Krishna Dwaipaayana is the Vyasa. Even Parashara was a Vyasa for a

> >> previous

> >> > Yuga. So to that extent the statement you make is right but here

> >> we are only

> >> > talking of Krishna Dwaipayana when we talk of Vyaasa. The Brahma

> >> Tejas of

> >> > Krishna Dwaipaayana Vyasa and the Kshatra tejas of Ganga putra

> >> Bheeshma

> >> > re-established the Vedas in the beginning of the Yuga when the

> >> sabha was

> >> > established and under the explicit directions of Vyasa the Vedas

> >> were

> >> > written. Here Jaimini was in charge of the Sama Veda and is a

> >> sishya of

> >> > Vyasa Sri Krishna Dwaipayana. The author of the Jaimini Upadesa

> >> Sutras and

> >> > the recorder of the Sama Veda are one and the same, for it is His

> >> authority

> >> > as the sishya of Vyasa to give them. As to when this was finally

> >> written

> >> > down is another issue.

> >> > 3. That point about Sri Rangacharya where he proved Nilakantha

> >>

> >> > wrong...thats why I call him brilliant. I have read every article

> >> of Sri

> >> > Rangacharya and every book of his. I hope to meet with him

> >> sometime and pay

> >> > my respects.

> >> >

> >> > Thank you for sharing and being clear about why you are not

> >> willing to share

> >> > everything as you are not clear about what he said.

> >> >

> >> > Best wishes and blessings of Sri Jagannatha that you may find the

> >> real light

> >> > of Jyotish,

> >> >

> >> > Sanjay Rath

> >> >

> >> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>

[

> >> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>] On

> >> Behalf Of

> >> > Shanmukha

> >> > 06 November 2008 22:19

> >> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>

> >> > Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri Sanjay

> >> >

> >> > Om Namah Sivaya

> >> > Namste Sri Sanjay,

> >> > I am writing my replies to the points raised by you at appropriate

> >> > places.

> >> > Seeking your Blessings,

> >> > Shanmukha

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay :Views and scholarly

> >> >

> >> > Shanmukha : I admit that my views are neither scholarly and nor I

> >> > wish they do. I wanted to put forth only my humble views since I

> >> am

> >> > neither Sanskrit scholar nor Jyotisha.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay :The present version of the BPHS is written in modern

> >> > Sanskrit after broken and piecemeal verses were obtained through

> >> > painstaking effort by Sri Jha. The language does not match that of

> >> > Parasara in the Rik Veda and scholars, if they actually use the

> >> > language for dating, will surely find Parasara to be a more recent

> >> > work as compared to Jaimini. Point is that the Sanskrit versus

> >> were

> >> > finalised y Sri Jha and these are really the closest he could

> >> > get...and we thank him for this great service to mankind. In view

> >> of

> >> > this, it is impossible to date BPHS based on the present available

> >> > Sanskrit verses in print. Dating can only be done based on other

> >> > works like Vishnu Purana (Maitreya and Parasara discussion just as

> >> in

> >> > BPHS).

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Well, You admit that BPHS was written in modern

> >> > Sanskrit by Sri Jha ( I presume it is Sitaram Jha). Thank you very

> >> > much for the information. All these days I was in an impression

> >> that

> >> > somebody might have written this modern BPHS. Yes, indeed, we must

> >> > thank him for his great scholarly service. You said, ¡§These are

> >> > really the closest he could get¡K.¡¨. Could you kindly explain to

> >> the

> >> > benefit of readers as to closest to what? To the piecemeal

> >> > manuscripts of Parasara Hora. But, to the best of my knowledge,

> >> > Vriddha Karika slokas are never adulterated and they are available

> >> in

> >> > perfect form in works like Jaimini Padyamritam, I believe.

> >> >

> >> > I think you know some scholars do consider Vyasa is not one single

> >> > man. They consider Krishna Dwaipayana is the Vyasa who wrote Maha

> >> > Bharata. But the work of dividing Vedas has done by a no. of

> >> Vyayas.

> >> > In fact they consider Vyasa is like a Peethadhipati. This is the

> >> view

> >> > of a scholar I came across. But, others can trash it. The point is

> >> > dating of Parasara Hora by just looking at the mere discussion in

> >> > Guru ¡V Sishya style in comparison with Vsishnu Purana, doen¡¦t

> >> look

> >> > sound. But considering Parasara as the great seer who compiled the

> >> > all-astrological principles is more logical to me, and all his

> >> > principles works well. Since you are a Guru, I can¡¦t talk more on

> >> > this issue.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay : You can consider to share at least what he told you

> >> about

> >> > CK if it is different from his book. Is it an extension or is it

> >> > grossly different? I would wonder why he would do such a thing ¡V

> >> give

> >> > something in print and teach another thing unless it is a more

> >> > detailed extension of what is in the book. Given the scholarly

> >> > approach of Sri Rangacharya, it is unlikely the deviation would be

> >> a

> >> > gross violation of his own teachings unless he has very sound

> >> reasons

> >> > to do so. Kindly elucidate this.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry if I seem to be saying that Sri

> >> > Rangacharya contradicts himself. Why I didn¡¦t share the teaching

> >> of

> >> > his is, for the fact that has not clearly understood/ convinced by

> >> > me. So, I refrained myself from stating that for the very reason

> >> that

> >> > it would amounts to putting my words into his mouth. Such, a half-

> >> > baked knowledge of mine will definitely corrupt the essence of the

> >> > discussion.

> >> >

> >> > I request all not to make this an issue and I sincerely apologize

> >> for

> >> > creating an impression that way. I am withdrawing those sentences.

> >> I

> >> > would try my best to get the opinion of Sri Rangacharya regarding

> >> > this issue. I wish learned members can understand how much an

> >> > engineer like me without any traditional parampara knowledge of

> >> > Astrology could understand with a couple (literally two) meetings

> >> > with Sri Rangacharya. In fact I recommend readers to study his

> >> book

> >> > Jaimini Sutramritam at least ten times to understand what he

> >> really

> >> > mean, that too only the Sanskrit commentary.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay :That is one view. Another view is that * if Rahu

> >> becomes

> >> > the chara AK, it can give the consciousness necessary to be always

> >> > aware of this bandhana and this awareness, or constant alertness

> >> > about the bandhana leads to the spiritual realisation of moksha*.

> >> > Then also there are thoughts about houses to see for this bandhana

> >> > and moksha, which is really a deeper understanding of argala.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : This is again a view. Personally I also admit the

> >> > above view also logical.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay :Thank you for admitting that Pitri Karaka was mentioned

> >> in

> >> > one of the manuscripts you saw.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : You are welcome.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay : Sri Rangacharya¡¦s book is extremely good and is

> >> strongly

> >> > recommended.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much. It is indeed your scholarly

> >> > gesture.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay : Sruti and Smriti: I am a bit confused about what you

> >> are

> >> > referring to as Sruti out here. Purana, Itihasa etc are the Smriti

> >> > and the Vedas are the Sruti. So where does Sruti and smriti

> >> > comparison come into the picture? Although most people follow the

> >> > Vriddha karika *blindly*, I always try to teach with the

> >> underlying

> >> > principle. Now you agree that the 8th house principle is not from

> >> > thin air or some meditation process but by definite mathematical

> >> > derivation. If I had not shown this, everyone would have continued

> >> to

> >> > believe tat this came from simple meditation and special sadhana...

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Yes, Vedas are the Sruti, and Purana, Ithihasas are

> >> > Smruti. The point I want to make clear is that Vriddha karikas

> >> must

> >> > be given preference to any commentary as Sruti is given preference

> >> to

> >> > all.

> >> >

> >> > Yes, I follow Vriddha Karikas blindly. I may not understand the

> >> > underlying principle behind those karikas as I am really a

> >> beginner.

> >> > But, I have full faith in them. Could you show one instance where

> >> > any scholar or commentator ever proved / tried to prove Vriddha

> >> > Karikas wrong. I would be very happy to learn and correct myself.

> >> As

> >> > far as I know they could stand up the test of time and scholars

> >> like

> >> > Sri Rangacharya, Sri Sanjay Rath and Sri Narasimha prove from time

> >> to

> >> > time that they work well, though they take different routes but

> >> > ultimately everything is there in Vriddhas. Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha

> >> > Vadanthi.

> >> >

> >> > Kindly refer to your sentence itself elsewhere in your mail

> >> > ¡§I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu when two

> >> planets

> >> > are in the same degree works well (...but this is logically

> >> possible

> >> > for 7 CK scheme only).

> >> >

> >> > In fact, Sri Rangacharya proved how Sammukha sign for dual sign is

> >> > different from what is given by Neelakantha. He took the verses

> >> from

> >> > vriddha karaka itself, to prove how Neelakantha was wrong.

> >> > Meditation and Sadhana is very important to correctly decipher the

> >> > real meaning of any sasthra.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay : Krishna Mishra uses Lagnamsaka dasa as Ayur dasha...so

> >> > many people even use Vimsottari dasa as Ayur dasha for timing

> >> various

> >> > death events. Are they all wrong? Do you use Vimshottari for

> >> timing

> >> > death? Point is do not restrict if you have a reason and logic to

> >> > believe that it is not restrictive. What about Pada-nathamsha

> >> dasha?

> >> > There are many opinions out there also. Are the words of Tajik

> >> > Nilakantha and a few others to be taken blindly or are they to be

> >> > tested against available literature of the Rishi¡¦s? I follow the

> >> path

> >> > of testing everything before using it. You are welcome to what you

> >> > think is right.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : As I said earlier I am beginner and I am not trying

> >> to

> >> > hide out stating this. I can¡¦t comment on all the astrological

> >> > pointers, I was clearly mentioning only about Jaimini pointers. I

> >> > wrote elsewhere in the same mail that one should resolve with

> >> > scientific approach and practical examples.

> >> > I know one scholar brought out a book on Mandooka dasa as

> >> advocated

> >> > by K.N.Rao and used it as phalita dasa. Well, She is not a layman,

> >> > she was well educated, from traditional family and could win gold

> >> > medal in ICAS exam at age of 60+ years. So the bottom line is that

> >> > Astrologers could see every thing with each dasa. I very sorry if

> >> I

> >> > hurt any body.

> >> >

> >> > Since you mentioned about Pada nadhamsa dasa, I wish to mention

> >> that

> >> > Krishna Mishra himself didn¡¦t resolve it. Yes, every astrological

> >> > principle must be tested. But against what? You say that against

> >> > literature of Rishis. You treat available literature of Rishis as

> >> the

> >> > reference, I take Vriddha karikas are the reference to the Jaimini

> >> > Astrology. I know this is subjective.

> >> >

> >> > I too follow the test of everything except the literature of

> >> Rishis.

> >> > In fact I have been working on Chara Dasa given by Rahava Bhatta

> >> and

> >> > Nrisimha Suri in their commentaries and find it works wonderfully

> >> for

> >> > timing events like marriage.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay : Rashi Dristi, Padas! For heaven¡¦s sake please read

> >> BPHS

> >> > in its available version befpre commenting on Padas, Rashi Drishti

> >> > etc. I do not argue on this as many published books are readily

> >> > available.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : I am very sorry for using a Telugu slang. The

> >> > word ¡§Parasari¡¨, I wrote, is not a TYPO, but is a slang in

> >> Telugu

> >> > which means „³ ¡§belongs to Parasara system¡¨.

> >> > Well, when the author of present modern available BPHS itself is

> >> > debated, I find reading wonderful Jaimini Sutras to learn

> >> principles

> >> > like Rasi drishti, Padas etc is the best option. My point here is

> >> why

> >> > classical literature like Jataka Parijata, Phala Deepika etc.

> >> never

> >> > dealt these principles. Do you think they don¡¦t have the Parasara

> >> > Hora available to them, or they considered worth not taking those

> >> > principles?

> >> >

> >> > Then, why don¡¦t anybody out here openly discuss/ disclose those

> >> > relevant karikas and those verses from those commentators who

> >> > practiced only Rasi drishtis, Rasi dasas etc. Instead , I find

> >> some

> >> > learned scholars always refer to Parampara instead of quoting the

> >> > Karikas and commentaries. I never find you (sanjay) doing so. Does

> >> > anybody here consider it is not worth discussing those

> >> commentaries?

> >> > Most of the scholars who write those wonderful expositions of

> >> Jaimini

> >> > principles ever tried to learn what Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri

> >> > etc. have to say about these systems. I admit that a lot of

> >> knowledge

> >> > is available in traditional paramapars and also with native

> >> > astrologers living in small remote villages. I know very well that

> >> > you are great Jyotisha, and studied all those karikas and

> >> > commentaries. But, how many others here did that. I also admit

> >> that

> >> > you are probably, the first person to openly share that Paramapara

> >> > knowledge. Thank you very much.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay : BPHS as Vriddha Karika! No BPHS cannot be taken as a

> >> > Vriddha Karika. If you say it can be, then you have to give some

> >> > solid reasons for the deviation.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : I am generally telling that BPHS can be considered

> >> as

> >> > Vriddha Karika keeping view that whatever has been said in BPHS

> >> > regarding the issue can be considered. If you feel the other way,

> >> you

> >> > are welcome.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay : Now on the CK¡¦s: If Jaimini does not take MK and PuK

> >> as

> >> > one then you should have Eight CK not seven...I am missing your

> >> logic.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : The relevant Jaimini Sutra reads as " Atmadhika

> >> > Kaladirnabhoga Saptanaam Asthanam Va " . It means Sage is saying

> >> that

> >> > the planet which has more degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma

> >> > Karaka. Well, if one thinks that Jaimini asking us to consider the

> >> > planet having more degrees out of 7 or 8 Karakas, doesn't hold

> >> good.

> >> > Since, in the ensuing sutras he speaks about each every karaka by

> >> > name, it is not necessary that sage telling the no. of chara

> >> karakas

> >> > to be considered. If one thinks that Sage indeed did that, then it

> >> is

> >> > dishonoring brevity the Sage follows. Jaimini never wastes even a

> >> > letter; forget about a word, in his cryptic upadesa sutras. Each

> >> and

> >> > every word the great Sage speaks of has a very specific purpose

> >> and

> >> > distinct meaning. This is my humble view.

> >> >

> >> > Well, my Logic here is

> >> >

> >> > The planet having most Degrees out of 7 or 8 planets is Atma

> >> karaka.

> >> > This is my understanding and if you feel this is not scholarly, I

> >> > seek your blessings. I am not a Sanskrit scholar. The Sage

> >> doesn¡¦t

> >> > tell more than that. Then we must see whether vriddha karika has

> >> > anything to say. Fortunately, Vriddha karika tells the application

> >> of

> >> > this sutra.

> >> > It can be deduced the other way if we don¡¦t consider the

> >> vriddhas,

> >> > which doesn¡¦t amuse anybody here. If you go by literal menaing of

> >> the

> >> > above sutra, we find the following

> >> > Bhaga „³ Degrees Kala „³ Minutes, Vikala „³ Seconds. So, Atma

> >> > karaka is the planet, which is having more minutes. Now, the other

> >> > way of interpretation which sounds logical. If you look at the

> >> word

> >> > Kalaadi, we can deduce that Atma karaka is the planet, which has

> >> more

> >> > DMS (Degrees, Minutes, Seconds etc.). Then this entire problem

> >> gets

> >> > solved.

> >> >

> >> > So as you said we shall continuously test the principles with

> >> > practical examples.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay : Would like me to refer to some dictums about Rajayoga

> >> > coming from the combinations of AK and Putra karaka? What happens

> >> to

> >> > Putra Karaka?

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Putra Karaka is very much there in the 7 CK scheme.

> >> > The karaka missing is Pitri Karaka. So the raja yoga from the

> >> > combination of AK and PK are valid in this scheme also.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay : What is the reason (grateful for any references) for

> >> > taking different rules for karakas being in same degrees...you

> >> have

> >> > given different rules for AK + AmK, then different for

> >> others...what

> >> > is the reference or reason for doing this?

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : The reason is very fact that we don¡¦t find sthira

> >> > karaka for AK and AmK. I have given the reference there in the

> >> mail

> >> > itself, vide the Vriddha Karaika sloka. It clearly mentions that

> >> Swa

> >> > Karaka (Atma Karaka) never gets omitted in Antya Karaka Lopa

> >> Scheme.

> >> > So, there no question of Chara Karaka Parivartana ( or

> >> replacement)

> >> > either by Sthira Karaka or any other Karaka. So, it seems Sri

> >> > Rangacharya took Naisargika bala planet out of AK and AmK as Atma

> >> > Karaka when AK and AmK are at same degree.

> >> >

> >> > >>>Sanjay : I agree that the Vriddhas method of including Rahu

> >> when

> >> > two planets are in the same degree works well (...but this is

> >> > logically possible for 7 CK scheme only).

> >> >

> >> > >>>Shanmukha : Thank you very much for stating the fact.

> >> >

> >>

> >

>

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> Re: niryana shoola dasa -strange logic

> Posted by: " Sanjay Prabhakaran " sanjaychettiar sanjayprabhakaran

> Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:34 am (PST)

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Partha and Jyotishas,

>

> I am also just experimenting with something Guruji suggested. So let

me give

> my opinion here,

>

> Actually your NSD dasa starts from Cp which is second house so the

8th house

> will the 7th from dasa sign.

>

> In Sc Dasa your progressed 8th is in Taurus is the 6th house having

no much

> connection to Sun except for Graha Drishti.

>

> In Libra Dasa your progressed 8th is in Aries. Now, Aries lord mars is

> conjoined Ak Sun and Aries also aspects your Sun+Mars conjunction in

Sc. So

> the spiritual progress can be said to be there.

>

> BTW, Have your all noticed that the irrespective of whether the dasa

starts

> from 2nd or 8th the duration of each dasa remains the same. And also the

> progressed 8th house is at the same place. It's as though " Start

dasa from

> 2nd or 8th " looks redundant. But if you want to apply the Saturn/Ketu

> exception then this would come handy I suppose.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P.

>

> 2008/11/13 Partha Sarathy <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I tend to agree that NSD need not be seen for spirituality at all.

> >

> > In Scorpio dasa having AK and BK, except starting to learn

astrology, i did

> > nothing special. Also, at that time, i had feelings that astrology

is all

> > science and has nothing to do with spirituality or God. The dasa

was infact

> > bad, because i was atheist during the entire 8 years period.

> >

> > Whreas Libra having Pik Rahu, and not having any connection to

lagna or AK,

> > and having only a graha drishti of Guru was supposedly more spiritual.

> > Using convoluted logic, i may say Scorpio was more spiritual

because of

> > questioning God, and questioning everything, but strictly speaking

what was

> > spiritual about it? I am not sure, if i am missing something here.

> >

> > Cp: 1976-12-15 (8:27:06) - 1983-12-16 (3:24:47)

> > Sg: 1983-12-16 (3:24:47) - 1992-12-15 (10:52:16)

> > Sc: 1992-12-15 (10:52:16) - 2000-12-15 (12:10:26)

> > Li: 2000-12-15 (12:10:26) - 2007-12-16 (7:07:38)

> > Vi: 2007-12-16 (7:07:38) - 2016-12-15 (14:34:50)

> > Le: 2016-12-15 (14:34:50) - 2024-12-15 (15:50:49)

> > Cn: 2024-12-15 (15:50:49) - 2031-12-16 (10:53:40)

> > Ge: 2031-12-16 (10:53:40) - 2040-12-15 (18:13:16)

> > Ta: 2040-12-15 (18:13:16) - 2048-12-15 (19:33:01)

> > Ar: 2048-12-15 (19:33:01) - 2055-12-16 (14:38:02)

> > Pi: 2055-12-16 (14:38:02) - 2064-12-15 (21:55:14)

> > Aq: 2064-12-15 (21:55:14) - 2072-12-15 (23:12:58)

> >

> > DOB 15 december, 1976, 8 27 AM, New delhi.

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Partha Sarathy <partvinu (AT) gmail (DOT)

com>wrote:

> >

> >> Hi

> >>

> >> Since my comp is down at home, can anybody calculate niryana

shoola dasa

> >> for me and send it back in text format(i dont have jhora).

> >>

> >> Details

> >> 15 december 1976

> >> Time: 8 27:06

> >> Place: New Delhi

> >>

> >> regards

> >> partha

> >>

> >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@

.co. in>wrote:

> >>

> >>> Om Namah Sivaya

> >>>

> >>> Namaste Sri Sanjay,

> >>>

> >>> Thank you very much for clarifying about Vyasa.

> >>> Regarding Sri Rangacharya --> I know his home address and I would be

> >>> very much glad, if anything I could do in that regard.

> >>>

> >>> Seeking your Blessings,

> >>>

> >>> warm regards,

> >>> Shanmukha

> >>>

> >>> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>,

" Sanjay

> >>> Rath " <sjrath@> wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> > Namaste Shanmukha

> >>> >

> >>> > I will be precise and to the point â€ "

> >>> >

> >>> > 1. The topic was about dating Parasara as in BPHS. I think you

> >>> have

> >>> > deviated and mixed with Vriddhas here.

> >>> > 2. There is a different Vyasa for each Yuga and for the present

> >>> Sri

> >>> > Krishna Dwaipaayana is the Vyasa. Even Parashara was a Vyasa for a

> >>> previous

> >>> > Yuga. So to that extent the statement you make is right but here

> >>> we are only

> >>> > talking of Krishna Dwaipayana when we talk of Vyaasa. The Brahma

> >>> Tejas of

> >>> > Krishna Dwaipaayana Vyasa and the Kshatra tejas of Ganga putra

> >>> Bheeshma

> >>> > re-established the Vedas in the beginning of the Yuga when the

> >>> sabha was

> >>> > established and under the explicit directions of Vyasa the Vedas

> >>> were

> >>> > written. Here Jaimini was in charge of the Sama Veda and is a

> >>> sishya of

> >>> > Vyasa Sri Krishna Dwaipayana. The author of the Jaimini Upadesa

> >>> Sutras and

> >>> > the recorder of the Sama Veda are one and the same, for it is His

> >>> authority

> >>> > as the sishya of Vyasa to give them. As to when this was finally

> >>> written

> >>> > down is another issue.

> >>> > 3. That point about Sri Rangacharya where he proved Nilakantha

> >>>

> >>> > wrong...thats why I call him brilliant. I have read every article

> >>> of Sri

> >>> > Rangacharya and every book of his. I hope to meet with him

> >>> sometime and pay

> >>> > my respects.

> >>> >

> >>> > Thank you for sharing and being clear about why you are not

> >>> willing to share

> >>> > everything as you are not clear about what he said.

> >>> >

> >>> > Best wishes and blessings of Sri Jagannatha that you may find the

> >>> real light

> >>> > of Jyotish,

> >>> >

> >>> > Sanjay Rath

> >>> >

> >>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>

[

> >>> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>] On

> >>> Behalf Of

> >>> > Shanmukha

> >>> > 06 November 2008 22:19

> >>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>

> >>> > Re: Jaimini on Chara Karakas --> To Sri Sanjay

> >>> >

> >>> > Om Namah Sivaya

> >>> > Namste Sri Sanjay,

> >>> > I am writing my replies to the points raised by you at appropriate

> >>> > places.

> >>> > Seeking your Blessings,

> >>> > Shanmukha

> >>> >

> >>> > >>>Sanjay :Views and scholarly

> >>> >

> >>> > Shanmukha : I admit that my views are neither scholarly and nor I

> >>> > wish they do. I wanted to put forth only my humble views since I

> >>> am

> >>> > neither Sanskrit scholar nor Jyotisha.

> >>> >

> >>> > >>>Sanjay :The present version of the BPHS is written in modern

> >>> > Sanskrit after broken and piecemeal verses were obtained through

> >>> > painstaking effort by Sri Jha. The language does not match that of

> >>> > Parasara in the Rik Veda and scholars, if they actually use the

> >>> > language for dating, will surely find Parasara to be a more recent

> >>> > work as compared to Jaimini. Point is that the Sanskrit versus

> >>> were

> >>> > finalised y Sri Jha and these are really the closest he could

> >>> > get...and we thank him for this great service to mankind. In view

> >>> of

> >>> > this, it is impossible to date BPHS based on the present available

> >>> > Sanskrit verses in print. Dating can only be done based on other

> >>> > works like Vishnu Purana (Maitreya and Parasara discussion just as

> >>> in

> >>> > BPHS).

> >>> >

> >>> > >>>Shanmukha : Well, You admit that BPHS was written in modern

> >>> > Sanskrit by Sri Jha ( I presume it is Sitaram Jha). Thank you very

> >>> > much for the information. All these days I was in an impression

> >>> that

> >>> > somebody might have written this modern BPHS. Yes, indeed, we must

> >>> > thank him for his great scholarly service. You said, Â¡Â§These are

> >>> > really the closest he could getÂ¡K.Â¡Â¨. Could you kindly

explain to

> >>> the

> >>> > benefit of readers as to closest to what? To the piecemeal

> >>> > manuscripts of Parasara Hora. But, to the best of my knowledge,

> >>> > Vriddha Karika slokas are never adulterated and they are available

> >>> in

> >>> > perfect form in works like Jaimini Padyamritam, I believe.

> >>> >

> >>> > I think you know some scholars do consider Vyasa is not one single

> >>> > man. They consider Krishna Dwaipayana is the Vyasa who wrote Maha

> >>> > Bharata. But the work of dividing Vedas has done by a no. of

> >>> Vyayas.

> >>> > In fact they consider Vyasa is like a Peethadhipati. This is the

> >>> view

> >>> > of a scholar I came across. But, others can trash it. The point is

> >>> > dating of Parasara Hora by just looking at the mere discussion in

> >>> > Guru Â¡V Sishya style in comparison with Vsishnu Purana, doenÂ¡Â¦t

> >>> look

> >>> > sound. But considering Parasara as the great seer who compiled the

> >>> > all-astrological principles is more logical to me, and all his

> >>> > principles works well. Since you are a Guru, I canÂ¡Â¦t talk

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