Swami Sivananda (Rafal's chart)

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Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

 

Using Chara Dasa in Rafal's chart, Dasa of Meena (1998-2006)

corresponds very well with the NSDasa of Vrisch (1998 to 2006) - and

there may be more dasas that do so (i think you wrote earlier about

Drig Dasa for Rafal), apart from teh routine Narayana and Vimsottari

dasas. Anyways, taking Meena Chara Dasa progressed lagna, he gets

Guru (AK), Shani, Shukra and Surya in 8th house - making that a very

dynamic one.

 

But why Chara dasa is used for " thinking about higher powers " ?

I mean, it is calculated from Lagna (thinking), but dependent on what

the 9th house (higher knowledge) is - is that why?

(but thinking ~ lagna lord - i dont really understand - just thinking

aloud).

 

It seems that Drig and Chara dasa would then belong to a similar

category.

 

Likewise, if Brahma dasa is also indicative of spirituality, so

should Sthira Dasa be.

 

Many thanx and Best Regards,

SS

 

 

sohamsa , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste SanjayP,

>

> Swami Sivananda may have been spiritual all along and made some

> progress previously, but 1924 is the epoch year in his life. A

> successful doctor left all luxuries and comforts and started living

in

> a hut infested by snakes and scorpions and did intense sadhana with

> the sole focus being Self-realization. The kind of sadhana he did

> during 1924-1927 is done only by very very few. He also has his

> highest spiritual experience at that time.

>

> If a dasa is supposed to show spiritual sadhana, especially at the

> cost of physical comfort, it better show something significant in

that

> most crucial period of life!

>

> > Another point I had in mind was that , Spiritual inclination can

> start much

> > earlier than when we meet Guru is was my opinion.

>

> Absolutely. However, are we now suggesting that NS dasa shows

> " spiritual inclination " and not suffering associated with spiritual

> sadhana?

>

> > In my own example during

> > Cancer dasa (Progressed 8th house in Capricorn) was terrible

> financially and

> > mentally, But it made me think about higher powers, destiny and

> divinity.

> > But I started some normal sadhana like regular worship etc only

much

> later.

>

> Are we saying that NS dasa shows " thinking about higher powers,

> destiny and divinity " ?

>

> Parasara said NS dasa is for seeing " death " . We extrapolated it to

> " death like suffering on account of spiritual sadhana " . Finally we

are

> saying " thinking about higher powers and destiny " . We came a long

way

> from where we started off! :-)

>

> * * *

>

> To see your thinking about higher powers based on progressed 8th

> house, I will simply use chara dasa of Parasara. Sg dasa ran from

> 1990-2001. Taking Sg as progressed lagna, progressed 8th house has 3

> planets including Ketu and natal lagna lord. This would be a dasa

that

> can make you think of higher powers and spiritual matters. In the

dasa

> pravesha chakra of Sg dasa also, 8th house contained the same

planets

> (including Ketu).

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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>

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Prabhakaran "

> <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Jyotishas and Narasimhaji,

> >

> > Can it be possible that Swami Shivananda had a spiritual progress

> made back

> > in Libra dasa itself('04 to '11), when progressed 8th house was

over Ak

> > Moon?.

> > I was thinking that maybe one could still linger around for some

> time after

> > get certain spiritual direction and then get the Guru/Sanyasa at

a later

> > time?

> >

> > From his autobiography,

> >

> > > " The Magazine(Ambrosia) quickly gained popularity soon after its

> inception

> > > in 1909. Distinguished contributors started contributing for it.

> Once my

> > > mother wanted to celebrate some festival and was in need of

about one

> > > hundred and fifty rupees to meet the expenses. I was ready with

> this sum.

> > >

> > > The " Ambrosia " journal was successfully run for four years

until I

> sailed

> > > for Malaya. It was of demi-quarto size, thirty-two pages each

> issue, and was

> > > quite beautifully got up. The material that its contents

presented

> to the

> > > reader every month was attractive and highly useful to all

medical

> > > practitioners. A significant spiritual touch could be felt in

the

> pages of

> > > the " Ambrosia. " Unlike other medical journals, the entire

outlook

> was based

> > > on the teachings of the sages of yore. *Spirituality was

ingrained

> in me

> > > even in my youth*. "

> > >

> >

> > Moon stands for " Soma " the magazine is called " Ambrosia " . This

happens

> > during the 8th house transit (NSDasa) over Moon. Of course during

> the same

> > time Narayana dasa was also of Libra. So this can be explained

using

> > Narayana dasa also

> >

> > Basically, My idea was just that why to look for some other 8th

> house dasa?,

> > Maybe I can try things out using this NSDasa itself to see if it

works.

> > Another point I had in mind was that , Spiritual inclination can

> start much

> > earlier than when we meet Guru is was my opinion. In my own

example

> during

> > Cancer dasa (Progressed 8th house in Capricorn) was terrible

> financially and

> > mentally, But it made me think about higher powers, destiny and

> divinity.

> > But I started some normal sadhana like regular worship etc only

much

> later.

> > The driving force is still my experiences in Cancer dasa.

Hopefully

> I have

> > given my humble opinion on this.

> >

> > With Warm Regards and namaskaarams,

> > Sanjay P

> > o<-<

> >

> >

> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death):

> >

> > Maha Dasas:

> >

> > Le: 1887-09-08 (4:16:00 am) - 1895-09-08 (5:21:28 am)

> > Vi: 1895-09-08 (5:21:28 am) - 1904-09-08 (12:49:48 pm)

> > *Li: 1904-09-08 (12:49:48 pm) - 1911-09-09 (7:47:52 am)

> > ** Sc: 1911-09-09 (7:47:52 am) - 1919-09-09 (8:57:50 am)

> > * Sg: 1919-09-09 (8:57:50 am) - 1928-09-08 (4:25:31 pm)

> > Cp: 1928-09-08 (4:25:31 pm) - 1935-09-09 (11:26:07 am)

> > Aq: 1935-09-09 (11:26:07 am) - 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm)

> > Pi: 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) - 1952-09-08 (8:05:35 pm)

> > Ar: 1952-09-08 (8:05:35 pm) - 1959-09-09 (3:00:29 pm)

> > Ta: 1959-09-09 (3:00:29 pm) - 1967-09-09 (4:11:39 pm)

> > Ge: 1967-09-09 (4:11:39 pm) - 1976-09-08 (11:37:36 pm)

> > Cn: 1976-09-08 (11:37:36 pm) - 1983-09-09 (6:41:50 pm)

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sivananda

> >

> > His Autobiography http://dlshq.org/download/autobio.htm

> >

> >

> > Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

> >

> > Maha Dasas:

> >

> > Cn: 1887-09-08 (4:16:00 am) - 1890-09-07 (10:43:56 pm)

> > Le: 1890-09-07 (10:43:56 pm) - 1902-09-09 (12:21:34 am)

> > Vi: 1902-09-09 (12:21:34 am) - 1903-09-09 (6:36:00 am)

> > *Li: 1903-09-09 (6:36:00 am) - 1913-09-08 (8:02:40 pm)*

> > Sc: 1913-09-08 (8:02:40 pm) - 1920-09-08 (3:15:29 pm)

> > Sg: 1920-09-08 (3:15:29 pm) - 1930-09-09 (4:37:15 am)

> > Cp: 1930-09-09 (4:37:15 am) - 1936-09-08 (5:43:28 pm)

> > Aq: 1936-09-08 (5:43:28 pm) - 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm)

> > Pi: 1943-09-09 (12:30:52 pm) - 1948-09-08 (7:24:45 pm)

> > Ar: 1948-09-08 (7:24:45 pm) - 1950-09-09 (7:39:14 am)

> > Ta: 1950-09-09 (7:39:14 am) - 1953-09-09 (2:06:09 am)

> > Ge: 1953-09-09 (2:06:09 am) - 1955-09-09 (2:28:06 pm)

> > Cn: 1955-09-09 (2:28:06 pm) - 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm)

> > Le: 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) - 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm)

> > Vi: 1964-09-08 (9:47:35 pm) - 1975-09-09 (5:22:17 pm)

> > Li: 1975-09-09 (5:22:17 pm) - 1977-09-09 (5:42:27 am)

> > Sc: 1977-09-09 (5:42:27 am) - 1982-09-09 (12:33:34 pm)

> > Sg: 1982-09-09 (12:33:34 pm) - 1984-09-09 (12:54:37 am)

> > Cp: 1984-09-09 (12:54:37 am) - 1990-09-09 (1:38:08 pm)

> > Aq: 1990-09-09 (1:38:08 pm) - 1995-09-09 (8:31:10 pm)

> > Pi: 1995-09-09 (8:31:10 pm) - 2002-09-09 (3:26:31 pm)

> > Ar: 2002-09-09 (3:26:31 pm) - 2012-09-09 (5:05:33 am)

> > Ta: 2012-09-09 (5:05:33 am) - 2021-09-09 (12:22:18 pm)

> > Ge: 2021-09-09 (12:22:18 pm) - 2031-09-10 (1:59:56 am)

> >

> >

> >

> > 2008/11/12 Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@>

> >

> > > Namaste SS,

> > >

> > > Logically speaking, taking the 6th or 12th from niryana shoola

> dasa sign as

> > > progressed lagna (based on whether it started from 8th or 2nd)

is

> based on

> > > sound principles.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > However, whether niryana shoola dasa is really meant for seeing

> spiritual

> > > progress or not is the issue I am not sure of. When Parasara

> taught dasas,

> > > he only taught calculations and not judgment. But niryana shoola

> dasa is an

> > > exception. He talked about judgment as well. He specifically

said

> > > " niryaanasya vichaaraartham " , i.e. " for analyzing death " , and

gave

> a rule.

> > > He did NOT mention spiritual quest and progress. Sanjay ji made

that

> > > suggestion without indicating whether the suggestion is based

on a

> classic

> > > or teaching of his elders or his own observation.

> > >

> > > In several spiritual charts I saw, there is no strong

correlation

> between

> > > niryana shoola dasa and spiritual progress.

> > >

> > > Let me give the example of Swami Sivananda of Hrishikesh. He

was a

> doctor

> > > who lived in luxury in Singapore till 1923. He went to India on

a

> pilgrimage

> > > in late 1923. In mid-1924, he met his guru, got initiated and

then

> renounced

> > > the world. He spent a few years doing sadhana in a small hut

> infested by

> > > snakes and scorpions. This intense tapascharya culminated in a

> nirvikalpa

> > > samadhi. Niryana shoola dasa of Sg (6th house) ran from 1919 to

> 1928. This

> > > is the dasa that brought this intense sadhana and highest

spiritual

> > > [non]experience.

> > >

> > > Sg has aspect only from Venus (PiK) in Vi. Neither AK nor lagna

> have an

> > > aspect on Sg.

> > >

> > > Like this, in many charts, I did not see anything of note

> happening (along

> > > the lines mentioned by Sanjay ji) with niryana shoola dasa when

> the most

> > > intense sadhana and/or the highest spiritual experiences came.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > As Sanjay P said, association of AK and 8th house can show the

soul's

> > > attitude towards suffering and ability to suffer tremendously

for

> spiritual

> > > progress. I agree with his logic. I also agree that 8th house

> shows sadhana.

> > > There *may* be dasas started from 8th house for showing how

sadhana

> > > progresses. However, I am not sure if niryana shoola dasa is the

> one. A dasa

> > > is defined not just by the starting point, but also by the way

it

> > > progresses. This dasa may or may not be apt for seeing spiritual

> progress.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > In the case of Swami Sivananda, drigdasa is far more

interesting.

> Drigdasa

> > > of Ar started in Sept 1923. It was a little after Ar drigdasa

> started that

> > > he went to India for pilgrimage. This dasa totally transformed

his

> life. If

> > > you take Le (5th from dasa sign) as progressed lagna, you may

note

> that AK

> > > Sun and BK Mercury are in lagna and three planets, including

natal

> 8th lord,

> > > are in the 12th house of moksha.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

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> > > -------------------------------

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> > >

> > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimha/Rafal,

> > >

> > > Can a similar logic be made while using Nirayana Shoola Dasa -

viz.

> > > e.g. in Rafal's case, the period of Vrisch falls in 6th hs,

taking

> > > 6th from here as progressed lagna (will get Vrisch in 8th); he

gets

> > > Ma (lagna lord) and Ke (lord of 8th) in 9th house - higher

learning.

> > > May be he found some guru then (aspect by A9) and also made some

> > > writings (A3 in 9th house).

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > SS

> > > >

> > > >> Dear Rafal,

> > > >>

> > > >> I use drigdasa taught by Parasara for spiritual progress.

> > > >>

> > > >> Drigdasa of Cn runs from Oct 1997 to Oct 2004. When drigdasa

is of

> > > >> Cn, it means the progressed 9th house is in Cn. The

progressed

> lagna

> > > >> is in Sc (5th from Cn). Taking Sc as lagna, 4 planets are in

12th

> > > >> including the 12th lord! The 8th house axis contains lagna

lord and

> > > >> nodes. This stands out as an important period in spiritual

life.

> > > >>

> > > >> Best regards,

> > > >> Narasimha

> > > >>

> > > >> sohamsa

> <sohamsa <sohamsa >>,

> > >

> > > >> Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > >> Dear Sanjayji, Namaskar

> > > >> *

> > > >> I have analyzed this dasa on my chart and biggest spiritual

> progress was

> > > >> during sixth house dasa rasi (vrscika) which doesnt have

> association

> > > >> with Lagna nor AK. Whilst next dasa of Libra which is fifth

and

> joining

> > > >> AK has decreased my interest in pure spirituality...maybe I

> have wrong

> > > >> definitins..but thats my anubhava.

> > > >>

> > > >> October 25, 1982

> > > >> Time: 19:35:30

> > > >> Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > >> Place: 18 E 41' 00 " , 50 N 13' 00 "

> > > >>

> > > >> Where I went wrong?

> > > >> *

> > > >> Regards,

> > > >> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > >> www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@

> > > >>

> > > >> Sanjay Rath pisze:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear Arpad ji

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Namaste. I thank you sincerely for sharing this. Just one

> point that

> > > >> > perhaps you may have overlooked about the teachings -- it

is

> > > >> > definitely foolish to even contemplate to speculate on

> meaning of the

> > > >> > bija and other such things **during the course of the

> sadhana** ...I

> > > >> > think it is this latter part that Guruji Janardhana

> Paramhamsa may

> > > >> > have tried to emphasize as the mantra shastra books explain

> in great

> > > >> > detail the formation of the bijas, their special names

which

> have so

> > > >> > much meaning. Every akshara of the bija nighantu has

multiple

> > > >> > approaches depending on the path -- Vaishnava, Shaiva,

> Shakta. Its all

> > > >> > so wonderfully divined and then the meaning only adds a

flavour,

> > > >> > perhaps a another way to understand that the banyan tree

was

> in the

> > > >> > seed ... although from the viewpoint of sadhana it is

really

> not at

> > > >> > all necessary.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > The brain has a strange way of seeking rational answers

when

> nothing

> > > >> > is forthcoming. For example for all the **sleep on floor**

> and **take

> > > >> > bath in normal water** rules I rationalised, much much

later,

> that it

> > > >> > was all about not getting entangled with making beds, using

> warm water

> > > >> > which soothes as opposed to cold water that awakens the

> nerves while

> > > >> > normal water keeps the body at the best temperature for the

> weather.

> > > >> > Another thing perhaps was that the mind would waste too

much

> energy in

> > > >> > a focus that was actually yet another hindrance or

> disturbance to the

> > > >> > sadhana. My Gurudev was a simple Brahmin from Jagannath

Puri

> but was

> > > >> > quite strict about all this. Bhagavan Mishra was a great

> Durga sadhaka

> > > >> > and taought me the Mahavidya (at least two of them).

> > > >> >

> > > >> > I suggest you try Niryana Shula dasa for the spiritual

quest and

> > > >> > sadhana. It shows the transformations to the being. When

the

> dasa rasi

> > > >> > aspects the lagna, you will find the shakti associated

with the

> > > >> > planets getting invoked. The highest experience comes when

the

> > > >> > niryana shula dasha moves to signs looking at the chara

> atmakaraka.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Niryana Shoola Dasa (death): Sanjay Rath

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Maha Dasas:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Li: 1963-08-07 - 1970-08-07

> > > >> > Sc: 1970-08-07 - 1978-08-07

> > > >> > Sg: 1978-08-07 - 1987-08-08 -- has exalted Ketu (trim

> graha bija)

> > > >> > ...aspects the lagna ...Saraswati, Tara

> > > >> > Cp: 1987-08-08 - 1994-08-07 -- has AK Saturn as

subhapati in

> > > >> > DhanisTha nakshatra (Mars) ...you can easily guess

> > > >> > Aq: 1994-08-07 - 2002-08-07

> > > >> > Pi: 2002-08-07 - 2011-08-08 --Virgo antardasa -- Diksha

> in the Sri

> > > >> > Sarada Math at the holy feet of Gurvi Shraddhaprana ambe --

> this is

> > > >> > Lagna with Jupiter in it. A life transforming experience in

> which she

> > > >> > talked in chaste Bengali with me and made me talk to her in

> chaste

> > > >> > oriya...conversatio n continued for 2-3 hours and I

> understood every

> > > >> > word. She does not know Oriya, not the pure oriya we speak

in

> Puri.

> > > >> > After that when I returned to normalcy...I am still

shocked as I

> > > >> > cannot understand Bengali well but am improving. Recently I

> decided to

> > > >> > learn this language. Others present were shell shocked to

see

> what was

> > > >> > transpiring.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > My most important lesson of life -- Language is not a

barrier

> with God

> > > >> > and it answered my all time question -- What language is

God

> going to

> > > >> > speak in when I meet Him after death?' That was a question

> from my

> > > >> > youth and was answered without even asking.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Ar: 2011-08-08 - 2018-08-07

> > > >> > Ta: 2018-08-07 - 2026-08-08 -- I will change

permanently.

> ..so

> > > >> > technically I still have about a decade or so to finish my

major

> > > >> > jyotish teachings world wide. Thereafter withdrawal is sure

> to come.

> > > >> > Lets see what happens. Its tough to predict for oneself.

> > > >> > Ge: 2026-08-08 - 2035-08-08

> > > >> > Cn: 2035-08-08 - 2042-08-08

> > > >> > Le: 2042-08-08 - 2050-08-08

> > > >> > Vi: 2050-08-08 - 2059-08-08

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Sanjay Rath

>