Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Dear All, How do we ascertain who is the stronger among " langa " and " lord of lagna " ? Many thanx, SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Dear Maja, I did think of that possibility but it doesnt seem like it from the example chart 2 (pg5) - or may be i am not getting it: is it referring to Gemini or Mercury being stronger? Best regards, SS sohamsa , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah >  > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste >  > This is just idea: Maybe choice of stronger between lagna and lagna lord should be based on number of Grahas in kendras to it. >  > Just a thought... this is how we chose stronger between Chandra and Lagna when determining starting point for Vimsottari Dasa. >  > Regards, > Maja Strbac >  > Hari Om Tat Sat > >  >  > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > > Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > Re: Stronger? > sohamsa > Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:57 PM > Dear Shanmukha and Lakshmi and All, > I was referring to Visti's papers on " Principles of Prasna " and " Nashta Jataka " and came across these statements from the respective papers, hence i am wondering where/how to find that: > 1. Here the stronger between the lagna, trines, seventh and lord of lagna, must be ascertained. (pg. 5) > > 2. Determine the strength between Lagna and it's lord. (pg. 11) > Best Regards, > SS > > sohamsa@ .com, " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear SS, > > > > As Lakshmi said, comparision between lagna, and lagna lord never > > happen. > > Strengths of houses and planets are explained by Jaimini in JMUS. > > You ca refer to any translation of JMUS or Longevity paper by Sri > > Sanjay for comparision of strengths. > > > > Well, normally a planet in stronger rasi is considered stronger. > > But, there is exclusively naisargika strength associated to planets. > > If normal rules of strength don't decide the stronger, then this > > naisargika strength can be used. > > > > warm regards, > > shanmukha > > sohamsa@ .com, " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > How do we ascertain who is the stronger among > > > " langa " and " lord of lagna " ? > > > > > > Many thanx, > > > SS > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Hi Maja, Comparison to find stronger of the rasis is not the problem as it s listed in Jaimini Sutras etc. - i am wondering about how to compare strength of lagna lord with that of lagna (and trines/7th to it). Best Regards, SS sohamsa , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah >  > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste >  > This email bellow was more refering to point #2 from your question. >  > Regarding point #1, hm... Lagna, trines or 7th bhava choice should be based on number of planets which are occupying any of these points. >  > Example: Lagna, 5th and 9th bhava are empty, but there is graha in 7th bhava, so this makes it stronger. >  Or lagna, trines and 7th bhava is empty, but LL is joined with one Graha, so LL would be the choice. >  Or LL is alone, but kendras to it are occupied with more Grahas comparing to kendras to lagna. In this case I think choice would be on LL. >  > And those well familiar stuff also (I think): when number of Grahas is equal, choice is based on avastha of these Grahas........  And so on, and so on. >  > Again, these are just ideas. >  > Regards, > Maja Strbac >  > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote: > > Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro > Re: Re: Stronger? > sohamsa > Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:44 AM > > > > > Om Gurave Namah >  > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste >  > This is just idea: Maybe choice of stronger between lagna and lagna lord should be based on number of Grahas in kendras to it. >  > Just a thought... this is how we chose stronger between Chandra and Lagna when determining starting point for Vimsottari Dasa. >  > Regards, > Maja Strbac >  > Hari Om Tat Sat > >  >  > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > wrote: > > Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > > Re: Stronger? > sohamsa@ .com > Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:57 PM > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha and Lakshmi and All, > I was referring to Visti's papers on " Principles of Prasna " and " Nashta Jataka " and came across these statements from the respective papers, hence i am wondering where/how to find that: > 1. Here the stronger between the lagna, trines, seventh and lord of lagna, must be ascertained. (pg. 5) > > 2. Determine the strength between Lagna and it's lord. (pg. 11) > Best Regards, > SS > > sohamsa@ .com, " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear SS, > > > > As Lakshmi said, comparision between lagna, and lagna lord never > > happen. > > Strengths of houses and planets are explained by Jaimini in JMUS. > > You ca refer to any translation of JMUS or Longevity paper by Sri > > Sanjay for comparision of strengths. > > > > Well, normally a planet in stronger rasi is considered stronger. > > But, there is exclusively naisargika strength associated to planets. > > If normal rules of strength don't decide the stronger, then this > > naisargika strength can be used. > > > > warm regards, > > shanmukha > > sohamsa@ .com, " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > How do we ascertain who is the stronger among > > > " langa " and " lord of lagna " ? > > > > > > Many thanx, > > > SS > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste Let me say it this way: when we draw a Prasna chart, I think that we are "desperately" seeking for a link with native's Rasi chart if possible So, it would be nice for a start if Native's lagna fits to trines to Prasna D9 chart. If this is not the case, and all trines in Prasna D9 chart are empty, 7th bhava is quite OK solution (ex.: 7th bhava in Prasna D9 falls in same rasi like native's lagna, beauty). If none of this is the case, and LL in Prasna D9 seems strong, and adding more to this- "it has company" of one more Graha, cheers if this LL is same as native's LL. If we are even more "desperate" after we get that this is not the case, how about... if this "nice and quite social" planet joined with LL in Prasna D9 chart accidentally is same as native's LL, then this is the last what we can stick to and continue with interpretation. I don't think we need this level of "being desperate" for topics described in that other article. Which page precisely (though I never read this article in one piece, honestly. I have no idea what you are aiming at ? Regards, Maja Strbac Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak Re: Stronger?sohamsa Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 6:36 AM Hi Maja,See, now the trine has become stronger, but what if the LL were combined some other kendra/trine lord in a panaphara or apoklima; and that the trines (Lagna, 5th and 9th) and 7th had no planets, then would we consider LL as the starting point?If that is the case, then it doesnt fit the example given in another one of Visti's article (tattva2) - if you want to take a deeper dig :-)Best Regards,SSsohamsa@ .com, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah>  > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste>  > Oh, this example!> Hm... Well this trine is strongest by all means. Now... this following is again just an idea: Since accidentally LL falls in this trine, this gives a convenient link between LL in Prasna Navamsa and Lagna in chart of this native (as mentioned in article, Mesh lagna with Mangal in Kumbha, and here we have Budh joined with Mangal, so... Visti considers that this is quite satisfying combination) . As I understood this procedure, we should look any possible link between natal chart of Native (preferably Lagna) and Navamsa chart in Prasna. >  > But knowing you and your "endless thirst" for digging deeper when asking questions... You don't really buy this what I wrote, ha? :)>  > Regards,> Maja Strbac>  > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@ ...>> Re: Stronger?> sohamsa@ ..com> Monday, November 24, 2008, 2:06 AM> > > > > > > Dear Maja,> > I did think of that possibility but it doesnt seem like it from the > example chart 2 (pg5) - or may be i am not getting it:> is it referring to Gemini or Mercury being stronger?> > Best regards,> SS> > sohamsa@ .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> > wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> >  > > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste> >  > > This is just idea: Maybe choice of stronger between lagna and lagna > lord should be based on number of Grahas in kendras to it. > >  > > Just a thought... this is how we chose stronger between > Chandra and Lagna when determining starting point for Vimsottari > Dasa.> >  > > Regards,> > Maja Strbac> >  > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > >  > >  > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > > > Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@ ...>> > Re: Stronger?> > sohamsa@ .com> > Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:57 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha and Lakshmi and All,> > I was referring to Visti's papers on "Principles of Prasna" > and "Nashta Jataka" and came across these statements from the > respective papers, hence i am wondering where/how to find that:> > 1. Here the stronger between the lagna, trines, seventh and lord of > lagna, must be ascertained. (pg. 5)> > > > 2. Determine the strength between Lagna and it's lord. (pg. 11)> > Best Regards,> > SS> > > > sohamsa@ .com, "Shanmukha" <teli_sha2002@ ...> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear SS,> > > > > > As Lakshmi said, comparision between lagna, and lagna lord never > > > happen. > > > Strengths of houses and planets are explained by Jaimini in JMUS. > > > You ca refer to any translation of JMUS or Longevity paper by Sri > > > Sanjay for comparision of strengths.> > > > > > Well, normally a planet in stronger rasi is considered stronger. > > > But, there is exclusively naisargika strength associated to > planets. > > > If normal rules of strength don't decide the stronger, then this > > > naisargika strength can be used.> > > > > > warm regards,> > > shanmukha> > > sohamsa@ .com, "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > How do we ascertain who is the stronger among > > > > "langa" and "lord of lagna"?> > > > > > > > Many thanx,> > > > SS> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Maya and SS ji, Namaskar. Sorry to barge into your discussion.. I have also been pondering over this for some time. In my chart Gemini is lagna with no planet and LL in Meena. Rahu Ak in 4th, Jup yuti Sat in 7th-Dhanus. ketu, Chandra, Budh in meena. Though Seventh is obviously stronger than lagna in my chart. I wonder about Lagna and LL, regards Nalini Soul Sadhak <soulsadhaksohamsa Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2008 11:06:48 PM Re: Stronger? Dear Maja,I did think of that possibility but it doesnt seem like it from the example chart 2 (pg5) - or may be i am not getting it:is it referring to Gemini or Mercury being stronger?Best regards,SSsohamsa@ .com, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah>  > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste>  > This is just idea: Maybe choice of stronger between lagna and lagna lord should be based on number of Grahas in kendras to it. >  > Just a thought... this is how we chose stronger between Chandra and Lagna when determining starting point for Vimsottari Dasa.>  > Regards,> Maja Strbac>  > Hari Om Tat Sat> >  >  > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@ ...>> Re: Stronger?> sohamsa@ .com> Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:57 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha and Lakshmi and All,> I was referring to Visti's papers on "Principles of Prasna" and "Nashta Jataka" and came across these statements from the respective papers, hence i am wondering where/how to find that:> 1. Here the stronger between the lagna, trines, seventh and lord of lagna, must be ascertained. (pg. 5)> > 2. Determine the strength between Lagna and it's lord. (pg. 11)> Best Regards,> SS> > sohamsa@ .com, "Shanmukha" <teli_sha2002@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear SS,> > > > As Lakshmi said, comparision between lagna, and lagna lord never > > happen. > > Strengths of houses and planets are explained by Jaimini in JMUS. > > You ca refer to any translation of JMUS or Longevity paper by Sri > > Sanjay for comparision of strengths.> > > > Well, normally a planet in stronger rasi is considered stronger. > > But, there is exclusively naisargika strength associated to planets. > > If normal rules of strength don't decide the stronger, then this > > naisargika strength can be used.> > > > warm regards,> > shanmukha> > sohamsa@ .com, "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > > > > How do we ascertain who is the stronger among > > > "langa" and "lord of lagna"?> > > > > > Many thanx,> > > SS> > >> >> Get the world's best email - Xtra Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Dear SS, I *think* comparing lagna and lagna lord means comparing lagna and rasi occupied by lagna lord i.e; paka lagna. When selecting a stonger in these cases, generally benefic influence like aspect of Jupiter etc. can be used. Fortunately, this rule also explained by Jaimini in the form of 2nd source of strength. " Swami Gurujna.... " Again, the same second source of strength was also endorsed by Varahamihira as Veeryotkata principle. So, I think aspect of Jupiter, Unassociate Mercury may decide the stronger between lagna and lagna lord etc. Regards, Shanmukha sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote: > > Hi Maja, > > Comparison to find stronger of the rasis is not the problem as it s > listed in Jaimini Sutras etc. - i am wondering about how to compare > strength of lagna lord with that of lagna (and trines/7th to it). > > Best Regards, > SS > > > sohamsa , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@> > wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > >  > > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste > >  > > This email bellow was more refering to point #2 from your question. > >  > > Regarding point #1, hm... Lagna, trines or 7th bhava choice should > be based on number of planets which are occupying any of these > points. > >  > > Example: Lagna, 5th and 9th bhava are empty, but there is graha in > 7th bhava, so this makes it stronger. > >  Or lagna, trines and 7th bhava is empty, but LL is joined with > one Graha, so LL would be the choice. > >  Or LL is alone, but kendras to it are occupied with more Grahas > comparing to kendras to lagna. In this case I think choice would be > on LL. > >  > > And those well familiar stuff also (I think): when number of > Grahas is equal, choice is based on avastha of these Grahas........ >  And so on, and so on. > >  > > Again, these are just ideas. > >  > > Regards, > > Maja Strbac > >  > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@> wrote: > > > > Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@> > > Re: Re: Stronger? > > sohamsa > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:44 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > >  > > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste > >  > > This is just idea: Maybe choice of stronger between lagna and lagna > lord should be based on number of Grahas in kendras to it. > >  > > Just a thought... this is how we chose stronger between > Chandra and Lagna when determining starting point for Vimsottari > Dasa. > >  > > Regards, > > Maja Strbac > >  > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > >  > >  > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > wrote: > > > > Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > > > Re: Stronger? > > sohamsa@ .com > > Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha and Lakshmi and All, > > I was referring to Visti's papers on " Principles of Prasna " > and " Nashta Jataka " and came across these statements from the > respective papers, hence i am wondering where/how to find that: > > 1. Here the stronger between the lagna, trines, seventh and lord of > lagna, must be ascertained. (pg. 5) > > > > 2. Determine the strength between Lagna and it's lord. (pg. 11) > > Best Regards, > > SS > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > As Lakshmi said, comparision between lagna, and lagna lord never > > > happen. > > > Strengths of houses and planets are explained by Jaimini in JMUS. > > > You ca refer to any translation of JMUS or Longevity paper by Sri > > > Sanjay for comparision of strengths. > > > > > > Well, normally a planet in stronger rasi is considered stronger. > > > But, there is exclusively naisargika strength associated to > planets. > > > If normal rules of strength don't decide the stronger, then this > > > naisargika strength can be used. > > > > > > warm regards, > > > shanmukha > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > How do we ascertain who is the stronger among > > > > " langa " and " lord of lagna " ? > > > > > > > > Many thanx, > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Dear Shanmukha, If i apply your explaination to the example 3 in tattva2, then it seems to solve the mystery. In that example, Lagna Aqua has Jupiter and Lagna Lord is conjunct Venus in trine (5th), and it set me wondering why the lagna lord is not taken stronger than lagna. I will apply this to more charts and see if it holds true - thanks very much for pointing that out. However, the 2nd source itself includes aspect/conjunction of the lord of the sign (, the AK, Jup or Mer). In that case, paka lagna will anyways be stronger than lagna - especially if we are excluding or are done away with the 1st source of strength -or i dont get it. And (Dear All), does it also mean that we exclude the first source of strength and exclusively apply the 2nd source - would that work in the cases as given in 'Principles of Prasna' where comparison is needed between lagna/trines to it/7th to it and LL? Best Regards, SS sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002 wrote: > > Dear SS, > > I *think* comparing lagna and lagna lord means comparing lagna and > rasi occupied by lagna lord i.e; paka lagna. > > When selecting a stonger in these cases, generally benefic influence > like aspect of Jupiter etc. can be used. > > Fortunately, this rule also explained by Jaimini in the form of 2nd > source of strength. " Swami Gurujna.... " > > Again, the same second source of strength was also endorsed by > Varahamihira as Veeryotkata principle. > > So, I think aspect of Jupiter, Unassociate Mercury may decide the > stronger between lagna and lagna lord etc. > > Regards, > Shanmukha > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > Hi Maja, > > > > Comparison to find stronger of the rasis is not the problem as it > s > > listed in Jaimini Sutras etc. - i am wondering about how to > compare > > strength of lagna lord with that of lagna (and trines/7th to it). > > > > Best Regards, > > SS > > > > > > sohamsa , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > >  > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste > > >  > > > This email bellow was more refering to point #2 from your > question. > > >  > > > Regarding point #1, hm... Lagna, trines or 7th bhava choice > should > > be based on number of planets which are occupying any of these > > points. > > >  > > > Example: Lagna, 5th and 9th bhava are empty, but there is graha > in > > 7th bhava, so this makes it stronger. > > >  Or lagna, trines and 7th bhava is empty, but LL is joined with > > one Graha, so LL would be the choice. > > >  Or LL is alone, but kendras to it are occupied with more > Grahas > > comparing to kendras to lagna. In this case I think choice would > be > > on LL. > > >  > > > And those well familiar stuff also (I think): when number of > > Grahas is equal, choice is based on avastha of these > Grahas........ > >  And so on, and so on. > > >  > > > Again, these are just ideas. > > >  > > > Regards, > > > Maja Strbac > > >  > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@> wrote: > > > > > > Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@> > > > Re: Re: Stronger? > > > sohamsa > > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:44 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > >  > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste > > >  > > > This is just idea: Maybe choice of stronger between lagna and > lagna > > lord should be based on number of Grahas in kendras to it. > > >  > > > Just a thought... this is how we chose stronger between > > Chandra and Lagna when determining starting point for Vimsottari > > Dasa. > > >  > > > Regards, > > > Maja Strbac > > >  > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > >  > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > wrote: > > > > > > Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > > > > Re: Stronger? > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha and Lakshmi and All, > > > I was referring to Visti's papers on " Principles of Prasna " > > and " Nashta Jataka " and came across these statements from the > > respective papers, hence i am wondering where/how to find that: > > > 1. Here the stronger between the lagna, trines, seventh and lord > of > > lagna, must be ascertained. (pg. 5) > > > > > > 2. Determine the strength between Lagna and it's lord. (pg. 11) > > > Best Regards, > > > SS > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > As Lakshmi said, comparision between lagna, and lagna lord > never > > > > happen. > > > > Strengths of houses and planets are explained by Jaimini in > JMUS. > > > > You ca refer to any translation of JMUS or Longevity paper by > Sri > > > > Sanjay for comparision of strengths. > > > > > > > > Well, normally a planet in stronger rasi is considered > stronger. > > > > But, there is exclusively naisargika strength associated to > > planets. > > > > If normal rules of strength don't decide the stronger, then > this > > > > naisargika strength can be used. > > > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > shanmukha > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > How do we ascertain who is the stronger among > > > > > " langa " and " lord of lagna " ? > > > > > > > > > > Many thanx, > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Dear All, A new site on Stock Market Astrology has been launched http://www.stockmarketastrology.com 14 articles on Stock Market Astrology on the site With warm regards G KumarProfessional blogger, astro scholar & ceohttp://www.e.net/ Submit your news, blogs & sites free at http://www.e.info - Soul Sadhak sohamsa Monday, November 24, 2008 3:36 PM Re: Stronger? Dear Maja,I did think of that possibility but it doesnt seem like it from the example chart 2 (pg5) - or may be i am not getting it:is it referring to Gemini or Mercury being stronger?Best regards,SSsohamsa , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah>  > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste>  > This is just idea: Maybe choice of stronger between lagna and lagna lord should be based on number of Grahas in kendras to it. >  > Just a thought... this is how we chose stronger between Chandra and Lagna when determining starting point for Vimsottari Dasa.>  > Regards,> Maja Strbac>  > Hari Om Tat Sat> >  >  > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote:> > Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak> Re: Stronger?> sohamsa > Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:57 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha and Lakshmi and All,> I was referring to Visti's papers on "Principles of Prasna" and "Nashta Jataka" and came across these statements from the respective papers, hence i am wondering where/how to find that:> 1. Here the stronger between the lagna, trines, seventh and lord of lagna, must be ascertained. (pg. 5)> > 2. Determine the strength between Lagna and it's lord. (pg. 11)> Best Regards,> SS> > sohamsa@ .com, "Shanmukha" <teli_sha2002@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear SS,> > > > As Lakshmi said, comparision between lagna, and lagna lord never > > happen. > > Strengths of houses and planets are explained by Jaimini in JMUS. > > You ca refer to any translation of JMUS or Longevity paper by Sri > > Sanjay for comparision of strengths.> > > > Well, normally a planet in stronger rasi is considered stronger. > > But, there is exclusively naisargika strength associated to planets. > > If normal rules of strength don't decide the stronger, then this > > naisargika strength can be used.> > > > warm regards,> > shanmukha> > sohamsa@ .com, "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > > > > How do we ascertain who is the stronger among > > > "langa" and "lord of lagna"?> > > > > > Many thanx,> > > SS> > >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1804 - Release 11/21/2008 6:24 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Om NAmah Sivaya Dear SS, In that case I consider Paka lagna is stronger since Mercury is in own house, where Jupiter is in enemy's house. Warm regards, Shanmukha sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote: > > Dear Shanmukha, > > Your veiwpoint is much appreciated. > Probably i havent made myself clear - let's say, in the > undermentioned example 3 in tattva2, which one would you consider to > be stronger (understood that we apply only 2nd source of strength): > Lagna Aqua with Jupiter or > Paka Lagna Gemini (5th hs) with Sa (LL) conjunct Mercury? > > Best Regards, > SS > > sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear SS > > > > Reg. aspect/conjuction of Swami etc. Then you just have to think > > paka lagna as a rasi, not as the rasi occupied by lord. It is just > > paka lagna. > > > > The sources of strngths, each have its exclusive use. Applying 2nd > > source doesn't mean not giving preference to 1st source. > > > > 1st source has to be exclusively used to determine stronger between > > two houses like 1st and 7th or between two planets. > > > > I am giving my opinion, I stand correctd, if I were wrong. > > > > My point is if if you want to compare two things like your case, > > more benefic influence will determinw the stronger. > > > > warm regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > > > If i apply your explaination to the example 3 in tattva2, then it > > > seems to solve the mystery. In that example, Lagna Aqua has > Jupiter > > > and Lagna Lord is conjunct Venus in trine (5th), and it set me > > > wondering why the lagna lord is not taken stronger than lagna. > > > > > > I will apply this to more charts and see if it holds true - thanks > > > very much for pointing that out. > > > > > > However, the 2nd source itself includes aspect/conjunction of the > > > lord of the sign (, the AK, Jup or Mer). In that case, paka lagna > > > will anyways be stronger than lagna - especially if we are > > excluding > > > or are done away with the 1st source of strength -or i dont get > it. > > > > > > And (Dear All), does it also mean that we exclude the first > > > source of strength and exclusively apply the 2nd source - would > > that > > > work in the cases as given in 'Principles of Prasna' where > > comparison > > > is needed between lagna/trines to it/7th to it and LL? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > I *think* comparing lagna and lagna lord means comparing lagna > > and > > > > rasi occupied by lagna lord i.e; paka lagna. > > > > > > > > When selecting a stonger in these cases, generally benefic > > > influence > > > > like aspect of Jupiter etc. can be used. > > > > > > > > Fortunately, this rule also explained by Jaimini in the form of > > 2nd > > > > source of strength. " Swami Gurujna.... " > > > > > > > > Again, the same second source of strength was also endorsed by > > > > Varahamihira as Veeryotkata principle. > > > > > > > > So, I think aspect of Jupiter, Unassociate Mercury may decide > > the > > > > stronger between lagna and lagna lord etc. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Shanmukha > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Maja, > > > > > > > > > > Comparison to find stronger of the rasis is not the problem > as > > it > > > > s > > > > > listed in Jaimini Sutras etc. - i am wondering about how to > > > > compare > > > > > strength of lagna lord with that of lagna (and trines/7th to > > it). > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Maja Štrbac > > <majastrbacastro@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste > > > > > >  > > > > > > This email bellow was more refering to point #2 from your > > > > question. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Regarding point #1, hm... Lagna, trines or 7th bhava > choice > > > > should > > > > > be based on number of planets which are occupying any of > these > > > > > points. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Example: Lagna, 5th and 9th bhava are empty, but there is > > graha > > > > in > > > > > 7th bhava, so this makes it stronger. > > > > > >  Or lagna, trines and 7th bhava is empty, but LL is joined > > > with > > > > > one Graha, so LL would be the choice. > > > > > >  Or LL is alone, but kendras to it are occupied with more > > > > Grahas > > > > > comparing to kendras to lagna. In this case I think choice > > would > > > > be > > > > > on LL. > > > > > >  > > > > > > And those well familiar stuff also (I think): when number > > of > > > > > Grahas is equal, choice is based on avastha of these > > > > Grahas........ > > > > >  And so on, and so on. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Again, these are just ideas. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@> > > > > > > Re: Re: Stronger? > > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:44 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, Namaste > > > > > >  > > > > > > This is just idea: Maybe choice of stronger between lagna > > and > > > > lagna > > > > > lord should be based on number of Grahas in kendras to it. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Just a thought... this is how we chose stronger between > > > > > Chandra and Lagna when determining starting point for > > Vimsottari > > > > > Dasa. > > > > > >  > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > >  > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak (AT) (DOT) com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak > > > > > > > Re: Stronger? > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha and Lakshmi and All, > > > > > > I was referring to Visti's papers on " Principles of Prasna " > > > > > and " Nashta Jataka " and came across these statements from the > > > > > respective papers, hence i am wondering where/how to find > that: > > > > > > 1. Here the stronger between the lagna, trines, seventh and > > > lord > > > > of > > > > > lagna, must be ascertained. (pg. 5) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Determine the strength between Lagna and it's lord. (pg. > > 11) > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Shanmukha " > > > <teli_sha2002@ ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Lakshmi said, comparision between lagna, and lagna > lord > > > > never > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > Strengths of houses and planets are explained by Jaimini > > in > > > > JMUS. > > > > > > > You ca refer to any translation of JMUS or Longevity > paper > > by > > > > Sri > > > > > > > Sanjay for comparision of strengths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, normally a planet in stronger rasi is considered > > > > stronger. > > > > > > > But, there is exclusively naisargika strength associated > > to > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > If normal rules of strength don't decide the stronger, > > then > > > > this > > > > > > > naisargika strength can be used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > > > > shanmukha > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Soul Sadhak " > soulsadhak@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do we ascertain who is the stronger among > > > > > > > > " langa " and " lord of lagna " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanx, > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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