Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Lakshmiji, I have also heard during the puja some people say either a Vishnu or Shiva gotra. I think this would indicate the preference of Ishta devata, when person doesnt know about his/her gotra. Maybe others can add further inputs here. Warm RegardsSanjay P 2008/11/27 Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sarbani, Thanks for your note. When I have a puja done and I am asked, do I say I dont have one or something related to my spiritual lineage or astrological lineage, or both ? Or is it only a physical lineage..? Do you need to be physically related to the Gotra through familial lines? Hope Im expressing myself properly. Thank-you, Lakshmi --- Sarbani Rath <sarbani wrote: > In India, all Indians are asked their gotra during > ANY kind of puja; > even a simple offering of flower at a temple visit > let alone other > bigger pujas and rituals. It is still unchanged. And > it plays a huge > role in weddings. > Sarbani Rath > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 27, 2008, at 5:37 AM, " lakshmikary " > <lakshmikary > wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Sanjay P, > > Thanks for your comments.! Hope you are enjoying > all the happiness > > of fatherhood! > > Ive been wondering from time to time, Gotras > significance or > > importance in astrology, > > I mean, what do I need to know as an astrologer > about Gotra, > > So far I see some people dont want to marry within > their same Gotra > > (there are variations > > on this) > > Sometimes a persons Gotra is asked for before some > offerings before > > a Deity at a temple. > > I am speculating that: > > When places werent so populated, in a small > village everyone would > > know the members of > > a certain family and attached to that family line > also were customs > > and specific > > lineage/parampara that was followed.Probably just > by hearing the > > family name or Gotra > > name - everyone would know a whole host of info > about them. > > This was lost in time due to people moving out of > their familial > > geographic areas and > > ceasing to follow practices. > > > > There is conflicting info on gotra on the web. > > Will read more in Sanjays nakshatra work for more > info. > > but main thing is it seems to be primarily a > Brahminical(meaning > > people who followed > > religious and such practices ), and primarily > related to paternal > > lineage. > > When looking a persons chart, how can we use Gotra > info to help them > > other than the > > above.? > > > > Now, the difference /importance of the Kula Devata > and the Gotra. > > Things have changed, in previous times people > rarely left their > > immediate area and would > > tend to have the same Diety, Kula Devata, etc for > a long time. > > Children would tend to > > choose same forms of worship as their parents.. > Seems like locality > > would also have a lot > > to do with it. Anyway, if anyone has any other > insight into Gotras > > relevance it would be > > nice to hear.Seems Kula Devata etc would fall into > the general info > > about someone, while > > ISthadevata and Atmakaraka has more importance and > relevance to > > current life/issues. > > Being from the west , it takes me a bit to orient > myself on some of > > the terminology. > > I can relate to my fathers maternal and paternal > lines as being > > Kshatriyas ,and maternal > > lines as Vaisya. > > But I guess since I doubt I have any " Brahmins " > anywhere. > > Now if I wanted to relate to a Gotra. My Spiritual > lineage or my > > astrological lineage?Or are > > they the same.? > > Take care. > > Lakshmi > > > > -- In sohamsa , " Sanjay > Prabhakaran " > > <sanjaychettiar wrote: > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > > > > Dear Lakshmiji, > > > > > > I do not know the exact way to figure out the > Gotra from A2. > > Regarding the > > > total number of Gotra's also I am not sure. > > > > > > See if these help you, > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gotras > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotra > > > > > > But, My understanding is that All Gotra's have > to fall under > > broadly seven > > > categories they are the Sapta Rishi (Sapta or > Saptaamsa refers to > > creation > > > Vriddhi of the 4 dhi's). > > > > > > As mentioned in Pt. Sanjay Rath's Nakshatra book > and other books > > they can be > > > assigned to 28 Nakshatra from Ashiwini onwards > to Marichi, Vasishta, > > > Angirasa, Atri, Pulastya, Pulaha and Kratu. > Noting the Janma > > nakshatra > > > should be more important is my take. This Janma > Nakshatra gotra is > > also > > > taken for Gotra matching for marriage. > > > > > > Regarding the A2 or 2nd house in D20, Think it > may show some > > specific forms > > > of the Kula devi (Or Devata). This would > indicate the how the > > whole clan > > > behaves or Clan (Kula) Related karma. 2nd house > is for Family and > > may > > > indicate all blood related people. > > > > > > For example, Let me take my D20. A2 falls in > Martial house aries. > > My kula > > > devi is AngalaParameshwari. (Angara becomes > Angala after word- > > conjunction I > > > think, I it could also refer to Angirasa rishi > maybe, Agni is also > > belongs > > > to Angirasa gotra). > > > Now A2 lord is Mars conjoined Venus in Libra. So > the diety is > > feminine form. > > > This Mars is also lord of 2nd house from > Atmakaaraka (Soul level > > karma > > > toward kula). Now, In our family gathering you > would usually see > > lot of heat > > > in terms of loud brawls etc . > > > > > > Sometimes I think the lineage may take a new > kula devata or devi > > if there is > > > problem in getting progeny and family worships a > particulary deity > > to extend > > > their lineage. Then the new Diety becomes the > kula devi. Usually a > > Rishi or > > > Guru directs the family to do particular sadhana > etc. In a story > > given by > > > our lineage, refer to this story > http://www.24manai.com/24manai_history.asp > > . > > > Also Each sub-division within the same community > can be assigned > > different > > > kula devi. I think these must be thought about > by the Guru who > > originally > > > directs the family to match the karma of the > community. > > > > > > In Lack of any such information I think, A > person may generally > > worship the > > > 2nd lord from Ak in D20 as feminine form (I > think this is > > mentioned in VRA?) > > > > > > Hope my little bit of information helped, maybe > others === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 || Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna Dear Lakshmi,if i am permitted to mention! 1. In Gyatri initiation some time before i noticed , priest told me gotra of guru on behalf of whom the deeksha was given.Later ,on enqiry he told me now onward, those who do not know gotra will use this gotra for purpose of Worship. The party who conducted ritual knew well that many elite astrologers from outside India are being initiated by their team.this is just for information, 2. In kerala tradition Gotra matching is considered for marriage.prasna marg describes gotra matching.One software Astroloka gives matching of all kuta based on prasna Marg including gotra matching. 3. Gotra determination is part of Jaimini scholar course and topic was touched in jaimani teachings. This may be taught in detail when guru ji , feels right to students who qualifies to receive his teachings. with best wishes. OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCSrivastava AstrologerTeaching & Consultationshttp:\\www.kaalvastu.com -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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