True and Mean Rahu (To Mr. Gopal Goel Ji)

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--- On Fri, 19/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey wrote:

 

Prashant Pandey <praspandey

Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel Ji)

 

Friday, 19 December, 2008, 12:49 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

First and foremost thing we should understand that Moon is orbiting

around earth and other planets which we consider in astrology for

major interpretation are orbiting around Sun.

 

Ra-Ke:- Those 2 generated points in space,, are the cutting point of

earth's ecliptic plane with lunar orbital plane.

 

And both planes make 5.1 degree with each other.

 

Ra- Ke will remain in existence even we would not be able to see

eclipse in future (after 50 billion years, when earth and Moon will

stop there radial distances to enlengthen and Moon will start

running on circular orbit wrt to earth).Means when Mo will in

between earth and Su,, we would not be able to see full eclipse as

we see today. Even that time Ra- Ke will remain in existence,, why,,

because of lunar orbit makes some degree(5.1) with earth's orbit. So

Ra- Ke helps to understand the sloar and lunar eclipse but it is

wrong to say that because of lunar and solar eclipse, Ra-Ke came in

existence.

 

Now come to the point of Conservation of Angular Momentum:-

 

In conservation of angular momentum we know that d(theta)/dt should

remain constant. Means angular position will remain constant wrt

time and same we use in vedic astrology.

 

Means even Moon is running in elliptical lunar orbit,, angular

position of Moon will remain constant.

 

Now do the same conservation of angular momentum of Mo-Earth system

at the plane which is at 5.1 degree wrt to lunar orbit means at the

ecliptic plane(whene Su and earth are in equilibrium) for Mo-earth

system. We will get the result that Ra - Ke will remain at same

angular position wrt to earth.(Hope you

understand the point of Conservation of angular momentum at some

degree wrt plane in which system exists).

 

One more thing i would like to add here that:-

There is loss of energy between Mo and earth because of tidal bulges

and friction between water and earth surface,, DUE TO THIS MOON WILL

GO AWAY TO EARTH, NOT ANGULAR VELOCITY OF MOON WILL CHANGE WRT TO

EARTH MEANS MOON WILL CONTINUE WITH 27.3 DAYS FOR COMPLETING THE

ORBIT.But length of days is being elongated and it will go on being

elongated till one day on earth would be of 47 hrs.

 

In our scriptures everything is written correct that We should

always use mean nodes. And it is correct.

 

So please stop spreading rumors by pushing creativities of True

nodes. Follow scriptures as Maharishis were like scientist like

Newton and Einstein,, even I should say more intelligent then modern

scientist.

 

My recommendtaion is,, close your eyes and go behind scriptures

blindly as i have also cross-checked some conditional dashas correct

after applying concepts of physics, Mechanics and Mathematics.

 

Hope this much helps,, rest is paid from my side.

 

Regs,

Prashant Pandey

 

--- In

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, " Prashant

Pandey " <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

>

> WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can prove

it

> by applied Mechanics...

>

> I will explain it when i will get time...

>

> Please wait for some time...

>

> Regs,

> Prashant Pandey

>

> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

Anthony

> Goiche <anthony_goiche@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> > Can you please explain your point.

> >

> > TC

> > Anthony

> >

> >

> > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ > wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ >

> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To

Goel

> Ji)

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri Goel Ji,

> >

> > You have written following lines:-

> >

> > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they appear

to

> > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. "

> >

> > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to

> > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it will

> go

> > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so...

> >

> > Please clarify....

> >

> > Regards

> > Prashant Pandey

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

> Gopal

> > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I support the view of Neelam ji that we should use

> > > True Rahu , and may  like to give some background

according

to

> my

> > > understanding on nodes;

> > > 1. It is wrong to say that mean Nodes are

always

> retrograde.When a

> > planet is

> > >  moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving in

> opposite

> > direction,

> > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are ÂÂ

special

> rules

> > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not

> > > applicable to mean nodes.It may be proper to say that Mean

> nodes

> > always have reverse(Viloma) motion.

> > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from mean

> > Rahu , the mean longitudes  of other planets.are calculated.

> > >  Mean values so obtained are converted to true values. In

> ancient

> > days , there €was  no way to

find out True values

> > >  of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the help

of

> > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to calculate

> True

> > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods.

> > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is

no

> > point to continue with old practise.True nodes

> > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in

> > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful.Sometimes ,

> the

> > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends

> > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of

> calculating

> > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in

> > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CD of these calculations can be

> obtained

> > from Positional Astronomical centre in

> > > Kolkata or Paris.

> > > Regards,

> > >  G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and The

Sun

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we

use

> > the true motion for all.

> > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion

for

> > Rahu also.

> > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can

> sometimes

> > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In

> some

> > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The

results

> > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for

any

> > planet… so is for Rahu. And if we have true

motion

available

> with

> > us, why use mean motion for Rahu?

> > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot

happen

> > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean

rahu

> > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions.

> > > Now about your wife:

> > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite Guru

> in

> > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That means

> Rahu

> > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu gets

> Leo

> > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L

and

> > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes to

> > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would allow

> her

> > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury is

> also

> > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu,

aspecting

> > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially

> > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get

> initiated

> > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional thoughts'

> if

> > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to

> your

> > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

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First and foremost thing we should understand that Moon is orbiting

around earth and other planets which we consider in astrology for

major interpretation are orbiting around Sun.

 

Ra-Ke:- Those 2 generated points in space,, are the cutting point of

earth's ecliptic plane with lunar orbital plane.

 

And both planes make 5.1 degree with each other.

 

Ra- Ke will remain in existence even we would not be able to see

eclipse in future (after 50 billion years, when earth and Moon will

stop there radial distances to enlengthen and Moon will start

running on circular orbit wrt to earth).Means when Mo will in

between earth and Su,, we would not be able to see full eclipse as

we see today. Even that time Ra- Ke will remain in existence,, why,,

because of lunar orbit makes some degree(5.1) with earth's orbit. So

Ra- Ke helps to understand the sloar and lunar eclipse but it is

wrong to say that because of lunar and solar eclipse, Ra-Ke came in

existence.

 

Now come to the point of Conservation of Angular Momentum:-

 

In conservation of angular momentum we know that d(theta)/dt should

remain constant. Means angular position will remain constant wrt

time and same we use in vedic astrology.

 

Means even Moon is running in elliptical lunar orbit,, angular

position of Moon will remain constant.

 

Now do the same conservation of angular momentum of Mo-Earth system

at the plane which is at 5.1 degree wrt to lunar orbit means at the

ecliptic plane(whene Su and earth are in equilibrium) for Mo-earth

system. We will get the result that Ra - Ke will remain at same

angular position wrt to earth.(Hope you

understand the point of Conservation of angular momentum at some

degree wrt plane in which system exists).

 

One more thing i would like to add here that:-

There is loss of energy between Mo and earth because of tidal bulges

and friction between water and earth surface,, DUE TO THIS MOON WILL

GO AWAY TO EARTH, NOT ANGULAR VELOCITY OF MOON WILL CHANGE WRT TO

EARTH MEANS MOON WILL CONTINUE WITH 27.3 DAYS FOR COMPLETING THE

ORBIT.But length of days is being elongated and it will go on being

elongated till one day on earth would be of 47 hrs.

 

In our scriptures everything is written correct that We should

always use mean nodes. And it is correct.

 

So please stop spreading rumors by pushing creativities of True

nodes. Follow scriptures as Maharishis were like scientist like

Newton and Einstein,, even I should say more intelligent then modern

scientist.

 

My recommendtaion is,, close your eyes and go behind scriptures

blindly as i have also cross-checked some conditional dashas correct

after applying concepts of physics, Mechanics and Mathematics.

 

Hope this much helps,, rest is paid from my side.

 

Regs,

Prashant Pandey

 

--- In

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, " Prashant

Pandey " <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

>

> WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can prove

it

> by applied Mechanics...

>

> I will explain it when i will get time...

>

> Please wait for some time...

>

> Regs,

> Prashant Pandey

>

> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

Anthony

> Goiche <anthony_goiche@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> > Can you please explain your point.

> >

> > TC

> > Anthony

> >

> >

> > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ > wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ >

> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To

Goel

> Ji)

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri Goel Ji,

> >

> > You have written following lines:-

> >

> > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they appear

to

> > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. "

> >

> > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to

> > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it will

> go

> > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so...

> >

> > Please clarify....

> >

> > Regards

> > Prashant Pandey

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

> Gopal

> > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I support the view ofÃÆ'‚Â Neelam ji that we should use

> > > True Rahu , and may ÃÆ'‚Â like to give some background

according

to

> my

> > > understanding on nodes;

> > > 1. It is wrong to sayÃÆ'‚Â thatÃÆ'‚Â mean Nodes are

always

> retrograde.When a

> > planet is

> > > ÃÆ'‚Â moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving

in

> opposite

> > direction,

> > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are ÃÆ'‚Â

special

> rules

> > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not

> > > applicable to mean nodes.It may beÃÆ'‚Â proper to say that

Mean

> nodes

> > always have reverse(Viloma) motion.

> > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from mean

> > Rahu , the mean longitudes ÃÆ'‚Â of other planets.are

calculated.

> > > ÃÆ'‚Â Mean values so obtained are converted to true values.

In

> ancient

> > days , there ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬was ÃÆ'‚ no way to

find out True

values

> > > ÃÆ'‚Â of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the

help

of

> > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to calculate

> True

> > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods.

> > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is

no

> > point to continue with old practise.True nodes

> > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in

> > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful.Sometimes ,

> the

> > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends

> > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of

> calculating

> > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in

> > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CDÃÆ'‚Â of these calculations can be

> obtained

> > from Positional Astronomical centre in

> > > Kolkata or Paris.

> > > Regards,

> > > ÃÆ'‚Â G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and The

Sun

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we

use

> > the true motion for all.

> > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion

for

> > Rahu also.

> > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can

> sometimes

> > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In

> some

> > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The

results

> > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for

any

> > planetÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦ so is for Rahu. And if we have true

motion

available

> with

> > us, why use mean motion for Rahu?

> > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot

happen

> > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean

rahu

> > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions.

> > > Now about your wife:

> > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite Guru

> in

> > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That means

> Rahu

> > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu gets

> Leo

> > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L

and

> > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes to

> > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would allow

> her

> > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury is

> also

> > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu,

aspecting

> > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially

> > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get

> initiated

> > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional thoughts'

> if

> > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to

> your

> > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam