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Dear All/Robert,

 

Is the book available in Inidan stores?

 

Best Regards,

SS

 

sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002 wrote:

>

> Namaste Robert Koch,

>

> I think this time I got it right (I mean the spelling of your

name).

> Thank you very much for responding.

>

> I am going through your book. I can honestly say that yours is one

> of the best compiled works on Astrology. Very wonderfully

organized.

>

> I am not in a view that someone has a last word on this sasthra

> except the originator Sage Jaimini. Yet, I want to stress the

> importance of the word " Nidhyatuh " . I strongly feel this is where

> the Argala for the Argala concept lies.

>

> Warm regards,

> Shanmukha.

>

> P.S: Bye the way, I am a male not as you thought.:) Of course that

> doesn't matter as long as Jyotish is concerned.

> sohamsa , " rkoch108 " <rk@> wrote:

> >

> > Hari Om

> >

> > Dear Shanmukha and Maja, Namaste -

> >

> > Thank you for your discussion of the subjects relating to Argala

> in my

> > book, " The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology. " For

> starters, I

> > did not read anything at all inappropriate that Shanmukha wrote,

> but

> > she only inquired as to the sources of information contained in

the

> > book. This is quite acceptable in a scholarly forum, and in fact

> it

> > is healthy to publicly question the shastric or other

authenticity

> of

> > an author's writings. So no, Maja, there was no transgression

here

> at

> > all, nor was there in Shanmukha's reply to you.

> >

> > As for the content of the book, there are two guru's in my life

who

> > inspired its writing, and I learned most of the content written

> there

> > from them. They are my Diksa guru, Sri Srimad A.C. Bhaktivedanta

> > Swami, and my Jyotish guru, Pandit Sanjay Rath. The meanings of

> > numerous scriptural quotations as relevant to the subject of

> > spirituality in Jyotish, as well as delineation of various

> Avataras in

> > Chapter 1, all came through the teachings of my Diksa guru. My

> Diksa

> > guru was a preeminent scholar of Vedic shastras coming in an

> > illustrious Vaishnava Parampara (Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya

sampradaya),

> > and thus the principles founded upon his teachings are sound.

> Most of

> > the astrological teachings were and continue to be central to

> those of

> > SJC, including the calculation and interpretation of Drig Dasha,

> which

> > I still find to be accurate and correct in practice. The

> revelations

> > on Argala were not only as instructed by Pandit Rath, but have

also

> > proven to be very practical in my own researches with Jyotish, and

> > were illustrated in many ways in the book as well.

> >

> > I presented the book in such a way as to acknolwedge what

Shanmukha

> > refers to as the art of Jyotish, in addition to the science. This

> > means that I do not have the final word on anything presented

given

> > the complexities of the subject, and also the dubiousness of

> shastric

> > origns, or even the principles advanced by modern scholars as

well.

> > What I enjoyed the most about writing the book, in addition to

> > honoring the teachings of my gurus, is that the principles were so

> > consistently replicated by way of many illustrations. This is

> where

> > Jyotish becomes exciting and dynamic, and frankly if anybody

thinks

> > they have the last word on what is, or isn't correct, then they

> lose

> > the excitement and spontaniety of the subject.

> >

> > I suppose the only correction that needs to be made therefore is

> the

> > spelling of my name! (smiles). Please note it as follows:

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Robert Koch

> >

> > sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Maja,

> > >

> > > First let me explain what happened today in sending this post.

I

> have

> > > been trying since a hour or so, to send this post. On one

> computer, the

> > > Internet connection was cut. On another computer, two times the

> computer

> > > hanged. I think its a strong nimitta that I should not send

this

> mail,

> > > yet I kept on trying this now, let me see what happens. May be

I

> am

> > > doing a sin here, let it be.

> > >

> > > I am giving below the original post I wrote.

> > >

> > > Namaste Maja,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for your response. You have wonderfully

> explained

> > > the concept of Ketu conjoining any planet. It really makes

sense

> and

> > > clears some of my doubts.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Coming to your doubts regarding my intentions.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You wrote " Dear, please don't use " his own interpretation " . It

> really

> > > sounds a little bit inappropriate (I suppose that you did not

> have any

> > > bad intention, you were probably unaware of this) "

> > >

> > > Yes, I do have intentions, not bad though. My intention here is

> Jyotish.

> > > You can check up my earlier mails, where I never did cross any

> limits or

> > > in verbal exchange of words. Now, I am compelled to respond.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I want jyotish and that too a Jyotish that is mentioned in

> Classics. I

> > > wanted my basics to be on solid foundation, not on musings. I

> requested

> > > the same in my post.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You said, " No one under guidance of any SJC Guru is doing

> anything

> > > similar.) "

> > >

> > >

> > > What is so sacred about being in SJC? Do you mean people not

> part of SJC

> > > have bad intentions? Don't you know, a no. Of SJC Gurus/members

> have

> > > gone verbal exchange on the issues not connected with Jyotish?

> Did you

> > > ever find me doing such a thing? You can check my earlier mail

> where I

> > > was concerned about only Jyotish. I have my own discipline and

I

> always

> > > followed it. If you still see any bad intentions, come to the

> point and

> > > I will apologize. Don't beat around the bush shoot it at me.

> Else, never

> > > suspect anybody who is trying to bring the important issues.

You

> are not

> > > custodian here, and Moderators are there to take care of

> misbehavior.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I said " his own interpretation " , because Jyotish is a science

as

> well as

> > > art. If it were not the art, then we don't have these many

> methods and

> > > techniques. I differ with my Guru over a no. of points/issues.

> For

> > > example, I grossly differ with him regarding calculation of

> Upapada. I

> > > have indicated the same in one my earlier post on Sohamsa. Yet,

> this

> > > doesn't mean I am against to him. I respect him and feel proud

> to be

> > > student of his. I feel, Guru is the one who show you the path,

> not the

> > > one who accompanies you. Jaimini wrote his own version of

> Mahabharata

> > > and which grossly differs Veda Vyasa's. Yet Jaimini is

considered

> > > disciple of Vyasa. In India, Everyone can have his own

> interpretation,

> > > but with reverence to his Guru. Narasimha has his own

> interpretation

> > > Chara Karaka and Drig dasa, and you mean it is also endorsed by

> SJC?

> > > Now, Do you understand my intentions?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The other day one scholar on this forum got a doubt as to which

> is from

> > > parampara and which is own interpretation/modification; nobody

> saw any

> > > bad intention, because he is part of SJC. Now I got the same

> doubt, and

> > > you all see bad intention. How long will we see the bad

> intentions? Is

> > > it jyotish? It's all just about learning truth. I wanted to

> learn

> > > the truth. That's my intention. It's so simple as that.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Coming back to jyotish, Every sutra in Sutra Vangmaya will have

> two

> > > meanings. One Lakshana and one Upa Lakshana. Lakshana is the

> science and

> > > Upa Lakshana is the art. Unless, we have a correct commentary,

> which

> > > clearly defines the subtle difference between the two, we never

> > > understand the real meaning of the sutra. This applies to every

> work in

> > > Sutra Vangamaya including Jaimini Sutras. My Guru, though

> considered one

> > > of the great commentators alive on Jaimini Sutras, still feels

> he might

> > > have done some mistakes in commenting, for the very reason,

that

> to

> > > understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be adept in six branches of

> > > Vedangas. Simple knowledge of Sanskrit doesn't suffice to bring

> subtle

> > > points.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You said " You can observe Argalas on Grahas taking their

> Naisargika

> > > significations, like Guru ... " . What is the difference

> between " You Can "

> > > and " You Shall " ?

> > >

> > > For me

> > >

> > > You Shall ----> is the science

> > >

> > > You Can ----> is the Art

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I need the science to the core. If you go with the art unless

> you don't

> > > understand the science, it will fetch nothing. First, let me

> understand

> > > what is advocated by Classics. Did you ever try to understand,

> what is

> > > the meaning of " Nidhyatuh " in the " Dara Bhagya .... " sutra

> regarding

> > > Argala. Whatever the meaning given by Sri Sanjay suffices

> without that

> > > word. Remember Jaimini never speaks of a letter without a

> purpose,

> > > forget about a word. If you miss that word, you can explain

that

> each

> > > and every house has argala on every other house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You said " However, if you are taking Rasi occupied by Ketu,

for

> let's

> > > say, Narayana Dasa analyzing, then you should observe Argala in

> > > regular direction if native is not involved in spirituality,Â

> but you

> > > should take reverse direction in case if spirituality is an

> > > important part of life for this native. " .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For me spirituality is way of life. It is not a thing that a

> person is

> > > particularly involved in. Spirituality is about being true to

> self. In

> > > Indian history a butcher (Selling meat) was considered the most

> dharmic

> > > person than a person continually involved in Tapas, for the

very

> reason

> > > that he does his swadharma. Take example of Dharma Vyadha, in

> > > Mahabharata.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I never come across any classic advocating 8th house as argala

> sthana,

> > > but I have seen 7th house being considered for argala by some

> scholars.

> > > In jyotish, there are Sampradaya (traditions) and Sasthra

> (science) and

> > > without understanding these two, never Astrology be called the

> Jyotish.

> > > I wanted to learn the Sampradaya, that's the reason why I asked

> > > whether it is endorsed Achyuta Parampara. Without the

scientific

> concept

> > > of Argala, how can you use it?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > One respected scholar here opined not to read Jaimini at all,

> for the

> > > reason of its ambiguity. Though I have not replied to him then,

> I want

> > > to point out here for comprehensiveness. Only thing I want to

> urge the

> > > readers here is to read Jaimini Sutras to learn Jaimini, letter

> by

> > > letter, word by word, and sutra by sutra. If you go with simple

> slokas

> > > available elsewhere, you will be one in the lot, that's been

> there for

> > > centuries.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I want to end this post with the caution, that whatever the

> Argala

> > > concept presently used is grossly incomplete. Kindly read

Jaimini

> > > Sutras. Don't be trapped that the world has been over the

> centuries. One

> > > friend of mine advised me to be silent on forums since nobody is

> > > interested here. Though I agree him, yet I write here, if my

> writing

> > > moves a piece of grass, my purpose is survived. Somebody

> said, " I have

> > > no agendas and not trying to sell anything and hence have no

> conflicts

> > > of interest " . I have only one agenda here and that is jyotish.

> That it.

> > > Coming to conflict of interest. I have conflict with a no. of

> issues

> > > that discussed here. Yet, I respect each and everyone here.

> Since, it is

> > > said " Spardhayaa Vardhate Vidya " .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Warm regards,

> > >

> > > Shanmukha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > Â

> > > > Dear Shanmukha, Namaste

> > > > Â

> > > > All the quotations From R. Cothc's book you wrote here are

> correct (it

> > > is SJC, of course. Dear, please don't use " his own

> interpretation " . It

> > > really sounds a little bit inappropriate (I suppose that you

did

> not

> > > have any bad intention, you were probably unaware of this) No

> oneÂ

> > > under guidance of any SJC Guru is doing anything similar.)

> > > > Â

> > > > You can observe Argalas on Grahas taking their Naisargika

> > > significations, like Guru for money, Sukra for partnership etc.

> and then

> > > analyze their influence on these life areas.

> > > > Â

> > > > Ketu is for spirituality and Moksha, but also for buildings,

> right?

> > > So, when you analyze argalas on Ketu as naisargika karaka for

> Moksha,

> > > take them in reverse, but when you analize Ketu for buildings,

> take

> > > regular principles (2nd, 11th and 4th there from having primary

> Argala,

> > > and 5th, 7th and 8th having secondary argala. Malefic in 3rd

> there from

> > > gives parakramargala.). In case you want to analyze career from

> > > Naisargika karaka Budh, and this Graha is joining Ketu, then

you

> take

> > > regular principles in consideration. I believe that this is

what

> Robert

> > > was trying to point at.

> > > > Â

> > > > However, if you are taking Rasi occupied by Ketu, for let's

> say,

> > > Narayana Dasa analyzing, then you should observe Argala in

> regular

> > > direction if native is not involved in spirituality, but you

> should

> > > take reverse direction in case if spirituality is an important

> part

> > > of life for this native.

> > > > Â

> > > > Maybe if you read about Argala once again from this source:

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > http://www.srigaruda.com/articles/2008/04/30/argala-slides/

> > > > Â

> > > > then I think that it will become more clear about primary and

> > > secondary argala (7th is also mentioned there).

> > > > Â

> > > > One more link:

> > > > Â

> > > > http://www.srigaruda.com/articles/2004/11/27/introduction-to-

> argala/

> > > > Â

> > > > Sadly I can not point you on any classical source. I hope

that

> someone

> > > else more learned will include and let you know about

particular

> page in

> > > BPHS or similar.

> > > > Â

> > > > Hope that this was of some help.

> > > > Â

> > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > Maja Strbac

> > > > Â

> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Shanmukha teli_sha2002@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Shanmukha teli_sha2002@

> > > > Argala - Robert Coch's Book

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:59 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > > >

> > > > Namaste All,

> > > >

> > > > Yesterday, I was reading " The Spirtual Dimensions of Vedic

> > > > Astrology " , by Sri Robert Coch, and came across the following

> points.

> > > >

> > > > 1.In Page 149, he wrote " Argala are not as strong as aspects

> (rasi

> > > > or graha), but their intervention is influential nevertheless.

> > > >

> > > > 2. In the same page he continued " Secondary argala : From

> signa A,

> > > > sign-houses, as well as any planets in them, in the 5th, as

> well as

> > > > 8th, cause argala on it. "

> > > >

> > > > 3. In page 150, he wrote " Planets in the 7th from " A " also

have

> > > > argala on it. "

> > > >

> > > > 4. I page 151, he wrote " The reversal of direction for Ketu's

> > > > argala, however, does not apply to planets that are conjoined

> Ketu. "

> > > >

> > > > Now, I would like to request the members to kindly clarify the

> > > > following doubts. In case if they have been already clarified

> by any

> > > > Guru, I request any one could kindly direct me there.

> > > >

> > > > Are the points above written by Sri Robert, also endorsed by

> Sri

> > > > Jagannatha Center/ Acthyuta Paramapara or his own

> interpretation ?

> > > >

> > > > He included 8th and 7th houses in the places of Argala. Could

> anyone

> > > > here direct me to any classical reference.

> > > >

> > > > If we agree on the above interpretation, then 6 houses get

> included,

> > > > in addition to the Argala of 3rd. So, seven houses in total.

> > > >

> > > > Kindly refer to point No.4 above. It says that Tadvipareetam

> Ketoh

> > > > Principle applies only for Argala. But, in Narayana dasa, we

> apply

> > > > this rule when Ketu occupies starting dasa sign. Is the

Argala

> for a

> > > > Planet or a Rasi ?

> > > >

> > > > a. If it's for a Planet(Ketu) , then Robert is right.

> > > > b. If its for a Rasi, then applying to Rasi dasas seems

> > > > logical. Then Argala shall be calculated in reverse for the

> > > > planets conjioned by Ketu as well.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > > Shanmukha.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Soul Sadhak,

 

>You wrote:

>

> Dear All/Robert,

>

> Is the book available in Indian stores?

>

> Best Regards,

> SS

 

Since releasing the book, I have made it available only at my web

site. In the very near future, however, I will be looking into

marketing it through some Indian vendors, and soon it will also be

available through www.saptarishisastrology.com as well. So for now,

please go to: http://www.robertkoch.com/?page_id=26 You will find

buttons through which you can purchase the book through PayPal.

 

Thank you for your interest!

 

Best wishes,

Robert Koch

 

 

 

 

> sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Robert Koch,

> >

> > I think this time I got it right (I mean the spelling of your

> name).

> > Thank you very much for responding.

> >

> > I am going through your book. I can honestly say that yours is one

> > of the best compiled works on Astrology. Very wonderfully

> organized.

> >

> > I am not in a view that someone has a last word on this sasthra

> > except the originator Sage Jaimini. Yet, I want to stress the

> > importance of the word " Nidhyatuh " . I strongly feel this is where

> > the Argala for the Argala concept lies.

> >

> > Warm regards,

> > Shanmukha.

> >

> > P.S: Bye the way, I am a male not as you thought.:) Of course that

> > doesn't matter as long as Jyotish is concerned.

> > sohamsa , " rkoch108 " <rk@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hari Om

> > >

> > > Dear Shanmukha and Maja, Namaste -

> > >

> > > Thank you for your discussion of the subjects relating to Argala

> > in my

> > > book, " The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology. " For

> > starters, I

> > > did not read anything at all inappropriate that Shanmukha wrote,

> > but

> > > she only inquired as to the sources of information contained in

> the

> > > book. This is quite acceptable in a scholarly forum, and in fact

> > it

> > > is healthy to publicly question the shastric or other

> authenticity

> > of

> > > an author's writings. So no, Maja, there was no transgression

> here

> > at

> > > all, nor was there in Shanmukha's reply to you.

> > >

> > > As for the content of the book, there are two guru's in my life

> who

> > > inspired its writing, and I learned most of the content written

> > there

> > > from them. They are my Diksa guru, Sri Srimad A.C. Bhaktivedanta

> > > Swami, and my Jyotish guru, Pandit Sanjay Rath. The meanings of

> > > numerous scriptural quotations as relevant to the subject of

> > > spirituality in Jyotish, as well as delineation of various

> > Avataras in

> > > Chapter 1, all came through the teachings of my Diksa guru. My

> > Diksa

> > > guru was a preeminent scholar of Vedic shastras coming in an

> > > illustrious Vaishnava Parampara (Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya

> sampradaya),

> > > and thus the principles founded upon his teachings are sound.

> > Most of

> > > the astrological teachings were and continue to be central to

> > those of

> > > SJC, including the calculation and interpretation of Drig Dasha,

> > which

> > > I still find to be accurate and correct in practice. The

> > revelations

> > > on Argala were not only as instructed by Pandit Rath, but have

> also

> > > proven to be very practical in my own researches with Jyotish, and

> > > were illustrated in many ways in the book as well.

> > >

> > > I presented the book in such a way as to acknolwedge what

> Shanmukha

> > > refers to as the art of Jyotish, in addition to the science. This

> > > means that I do not have the final word on anything presented

> given

> > > the complexities of the subject, and also the dubiousness of

> > shastric

> > > origns, or even the principles advanced by modern scholars as

> well.

> > > What I enjoyed the most about writing the book, in addition to

> > > honoring the teachings of my gurus, is that the principles were so

> > > consistently replicated by way of many illustrations. This is

> > where

> > > Jyotish becomes exciting and dynamic, and frankly if anybody

> thinks

> > > they have the last word on what is, or isn't correct, then they

> > lose

> > > the excitement and spontaniety of the subject.

> > >

> > > I suppose the only correction that needs to be made therefore is

> > the

> > > spelling of my name! (smiles). Please note it as follows:

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Robert Koch

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Maja,

> > > >

> > > > First let me explain what happened today in sending this post.

> I

> > have

> > > > been trying since a hour or so, to send this post. On one

> > computer, the

> > > > Internet connection was cut. On another computer, two times the

> > computer

> > > > hanged. I think its a strong nimitta that I should not send

> this

> > mail,

> > > > yet I kept on trying this now, let me see what happens. May be

> I

> > am

> > > > doing a sin here, let it be.

> > > >

> > > > I am giving below the original post I wrote.

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Maja,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much for your response. You have wonderfully

> > explained

> > > > the concept of Ketu conjoining any planet. It really makes

> sense

> > and

> > > > clears some of my doubts.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Coming to your doubts regarding my intentions.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > You wrote " Dear, please don't use " his own interpretation " . It

> > really

> > > > sounds a little bit inappropriate (I suppose that you did not

> > have any

> > > > bad intention, you were probably unaware of this) "

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I do have intentions, not bad though. My intention here is

> > Jyotish.

> > > > You can check up my earlier mails, where I never did cross any

> > limits or

> > > > in verbal exchange of words. Now, I am compelled to respond.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I want jyotish and that too a Jyotish that is mentioned in

> > Classics. I

> > > > wanted my basics to be on solid foundation, not on musings. I

> > requested

> > > > the same in my post.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > You said, " No one under guidance of any SJC Guru is doing

> > anything

> > > > similar.) "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What is so sacred about being in SJC? Do you mean people not

> > part of SJC

> > > > have bad intentions? Don't you know, a no. Of SJC Gurus/members

> > have

> > > > gone verbal exchange on the issues not connected with Jyotish?

> > Did you

> > > > ever find me doing such a thing? You can check my earlier mail

> > where I

> > > > was concerned about only Jyotish. I have my own discipline and

> I

> > always

> > > > followed it. If you still see any bad intentions, come to the

> > point and

> > > > I will apologize. Don't beat around the bush shoot it at me.

> > Else, never

> > > > suspect anybody who is trying to bring the important issues.

> You

> > are not

> > > > custodian here, and Moderators are there to take care of

> > misbehavior.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I said " his own interpretation " , because Jyotish is a science

> as

> > well as

> > > > art. If it were not the art, then we don't have these many

> > methods and

> > > > techniques. I differ with my Guru over a no. of points/issues.

> > For

> > > > example, I grossly differ with him regarding calculation of

> > Upapada. I

> > > > have indicated the same in one my earlier post on Sohamsa. Yet,

> > this

> > > > doesn't mean I am against to him. I respect him and feel proud

> > to be

> > > > student of his. I feel, Guru is the one who show you the path,

> > not the

> > > > one who accompanies you. Jaimini wrote his own version of

> > Mahabharata

> > > > and which grossly differs Veda Vyasa's. Yet Jaimini is

> considered

> > > > disciple of Vyasa. In India, Everyone can have his own

> > interpretation,

> > > > but with reverence to his Guru. Narasimha has his own

> > interpretation

> > > > Chara Karaka and Drig dasa, and you mean it is also endorsed by

> > SJC?

> > > > Now, Do you understand my intentions?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The other day one scholar on this forum got a doubt as to which

> > is from

> > > > parampara and which is own interpretation/modification; nobody

> > saw any

> > > > bad intention, because he is part of SJC. Now I got the same

> > doubt, and

> > > > you all see bad intention. How long will we see the bad

> > intentions? Is

> > > > it jyotish? It's all just about learning truth. I wanted to

> > learn

> > > > the truth. That's my intention. It's so simple as that.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Coming back to jyotish, Every sutra in Sutra Vangmaya will have

> > two

> > > > meanings. One Lakshana and one Upa Lakshana. Lakshana is the

> > science and

> > > > Upa Lakshana is the art. Unless, we have a correct commentary,

> > which

> > > > clearly defines the subtle difference between the two, we never

> > > > understand the real meaning of the sutra. This applies to every

> > work in

> > > > Sutra Vangamaya including Jaimini Sutras. My Guru, though

> > considered one

> > > > of the great commentators alive on Jaimini Sutras, still feels

> > he might

> > > > have done some mistakes in commenting, for the very reason,

> that

> > to

> > > > understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be adept in six branches of

> > > > Vedangas. Simple knowledge of Sanskrit doesn't suffice to bring

> > subtle

> > > > points.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > You said " You can observe Argalas on Grahas taking their

> > Naisargika

> > > > significations, like Guru ... " . What is the difference

> > between " You Can "

> > > > and " You Shall " ?

> > > >

> > > > For me

> > > >

> > > > You Shall ----> is the science

> > > >

> > > > You Can ----> is the Art

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I need the science to the core. If you go with the art unless

> > you don't

> > > > understand the science, it will fetch nothing. First, let me

> > understand

> > > > what is advocated by Classics. Did you ever try to understand,

> > what is

> > > > the meaning of " Nidhyatuh " in the " Dara Bhagya .... " sutra

> > regarding

> > > > Argala. Whatever the meaning given by Sri Sanjay suffices

> > without that

> > > > word. Remember Jaimini never speaks of a letter without a

> > purpose,

> > > > forget about a word. If you miss that word, you can explain

> that

> > each

> > > > and every house has argala on every other house.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > You said " However, if you are taking Rasi occupied by Ketu,

> for

> > let's

> > > > say, Narayana Dasa analyzing, then you should observe Argala in

> > > > regular direction if native is not involved in spirituality,Â

> > but you

> > > > should take reverse direction in case if spirituality is an

> > > > important part of life for this native. " .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For me spirituality is way of life. It is not a thing that a

> > person is

> > > > particularly involved in. Spirituality is about being true to

> > self. In

> > > > Indian history a butcher (Selling meat) was considered the most

> > dharmic

> > > > person than a person continually involved in Tapas, for the

> very

> > reason

> > > > that he does his swadharma. Take example of Dharma Vyadha, in

> > > > Mahabharata.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I never come across any classic advocating 8th house as argala

> > sthana,

> > > > but I have seen 7th house being considered for argala by some

> > scholars.

> > > > In jyotish, there are Sampradaya (traditions) and Sasthra

> > (science) and

> > > > without understanding these two, never Astrology be called the

> > Jyotish.

> > > > I wanted to learn the Sampradaya, that's the reason why I asked

> > > > whether it is endorsed Achyuta Parampara. Without the

> scientific

> > concept

> > > > of Argala, how can you use it?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > One respected scholar here opined not to read Jaimini at all,

> > for the

> > > > reason of its ambiguity. Though I have not replied to him then,

> > I want

> > > > to point out here for comprehensiveness. Only thing I want to

> > urge the

> > > > readers here is to read Jaimini Sutras to learn Jaimini, letter

> > by

> > > > letter, word by word, and sutra by sutra. If you go with simple

> > slokas

> > > > available elsewhere, you will be one in the lot, that's been

> > there for

> > > > centuries.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I want to end this post with the caution, that whatever the

> > Argala

> > > > concept presently used is grossly incomplete. Kindly read

> Jaimini

> > > > Sutras. Don't be trapped that the world has been over the

> > centuries. One

> > > > friend of mine advised me to be silent on forums since nobody is

> > > > interested here. Though I agree him, yet I write here, if my

> > writing

> > > > moves a piece of grass, my purpose is survived. Somebody

> > said, " I have

> > > > no agendas and not trying to sell anything and hence have no

> > conflicts

> > > > of interest " . I have only one agenda here and that is jyotish.

> > That it.

> > > > Coming to conflict of interest. I have conflict with a no. of

> > issues

> > > > that discussed here. Yet, I respect each and everyone here.

> > Since, it is

> > > > said " Spardhayaa Vardhate Vidya " .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > >

> > > > Shanmukha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa , Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Dear Shanmukha, Namaste

> > > > > Â

> > > > > All the quotations From R. Cothc's book you wrote here are

> > correct (it

> > > > is SJC, of course. Dear, please don't use " his own

> > interpretation " . It

> > > > really sounds a little bit inappropriate (I suppose that you

> did

> > not

> > > > have any bad intention, you were probably unaware of this) No

> > oneÂ

> > > > under guidance of any SJC Guru is doing anything similar.)

> > > > > Â

> > > > > You can observe Argalas on Grahas taking their Naisargika

> > > > significations, like Guru for money, Sukra for partnership etc.

> > and then

> > > > analyze their influence on these life areas.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Ketu is for spirituality and Moksha, but also for buildings,

> > right?

> > > > So, when you analyze argalas on Ketu as naisargika karaka for

> > Moksha,

> > > > take them in reverse, but when you analize Ketu for buildings,

> > take

> > > > regular principles (2nd, 11th and 4th there from having primary

> > Argala,

> > > > and 5th, 7th and 8th having secondary argala. Malefic in 3rd

> > there from

> > > > gives parakramargala.). In case you want to analyze career from

> > > > Naisargika karaka Budh, and this Graha is joining Ketu, then

> you

> > take

> > > > regular principles in consideration. I believe that this is

> what

> > Robert

> > > > was trying to point at.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > However, if you are taking Rasi occupied by Ketu, for let's

> > say,

> > > > Narayana Dasa analyzing, then you should observe Argala in

> > regular

> > > > direction if native is not involved in spirituality, but you

> > should

> > > > take reverse direction in case if spirituality is an important

> > part

> > > > of life for this native.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Maybe if you read about Argala once again from this source:

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > http://www.srigaruda.com/articles/2008/04/30/argala-slides/

> > > > > Â

> > > > > then I think that it will become more clear about primary and

> > > > secondary argala (7th is also mentioned there).

> > > > > Â

> > > > > One more link:

> > > > > Â

> > > > > http://www.srigaruda.com/articles/2004/11/27/introduction-to-

> > argala/

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Sadly I can not point you on any classical source. I hope

> that

> > someone

> > > > else more learned will include and let you know about

> particular

> > page in

> > > > BPHS or similar.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Hope that this was of some help.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > > Maja Strbac

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Shanmukha teli_sha2002@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Shanmukha teli_sha2002@

> > > > > Argala - Robert Coch's Book

> > > > > sohamsa

> > > > > Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:59 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yesterday, I was reading " The Spirtual Dimensions of Vedic

> > > > > Astrology " , by Sri Robert Coch, and came across the following

> > points.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.In Page 149, he wrote " Argala are not as strong as aspects

> > (rasi

> > > > > or graha), but their intervention is influential nevertheless.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. In the same page he continued " Secondary argala : From

> > signa A,

> > > > > sign-houses, as well as any planets in them, in the 5th, as

> > well as

> > > > > 8th, cause argala on it. "

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. In page 150, he wrote " Planets in the 7th from " A " also

> have

> > > > > argala on it. "

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. I page 151, he wrote " The reversal of direction for Ketu's

> > > > > argala, however, does not apply to planets that are conjoined

> > Ketu. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, I would like to request the members to kindly clarify the

> > > > > following doubts. In case if they have been already clarified

> > by any

> > > > > Guru, I request any one could kindly direct me there.

> > > > >

> > > > > Are the points above written by Sri Robert, also endorsed by

> > Sri

> > > > > Jagannatha Center/ Acthyuta Paramapara or his own

> > interpretation ?

> > > > >

> > > > > He included 8th and 7th houses in the places of Argala. Could

> > anyone

> > > > > here direct me to any classical reference.

> > > > >

> > > > > If we agree on the above interpretation, then 6 houses get

> > included,

> > > > > in addition to the Argala of 3rd. So, seven houses in total.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly refer to point No.4 above. It says that Tadvipareetam

> > Ketoh

> > > > > Principle applies only for Argala. But, in Narayana dasa, we

> > apply

> > > > > this rule when Ketu occupies starting dasa sign. Is the

> Argala

> > for a

> > > > > Planet or a Rasi ?

> > > > >

> > > > > a. If it's for a Planet(Ketu) , then Robert is right.

> > > > > b. If its for a Rasi, then applying to Rasi dasas seems

> > > > > logical. Then Argala shall be calculated in reverse for the

> > > > > planets conjioned by Ketu as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in advance.

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > Shanmukha.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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