Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Dear All/Robert, Is the book available in Inidan stores? Best Regards, SS sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002 wrote: > > Namaste Robert Koch, > > I think this time I got it right (I mean the spelling of your name). > Thank you very much for responding. > > I am going through your book. I can honestly say that yours is one > of the best compiled works on Astrology. Very wonderfully organized. > > I am not in a view that someone has a last word on this sasthra > except the originator Sage Jaimini. Yet, I want to stress the > importance of the word " Nidhyatuh " . I strongly feel this is where > the Argala for the Argala concept lies. > > Warm regards, > Shanmukha. > > P.S: Bye the way, I am a male not as you thought. Of course that > doesn't matter as long as Jyotish is concerned. > sohamsa , " rkoch108 " <rk@> wrote: > > > > Hari Om > > > > Dear Shanmukha and Maja, Namaste - > > > > Thank you for your discussion of the subjects relating to Argala > in my > > book, " The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology. " For > starters, I > > did not read anything at all inappropriate that Shanmukha wrote, > but > > she only inquired as to the sources of information contained in the > > book. This is quite acceptable in a scholarly forum, and in fact > it > > is healthy to publicly question the shastric or other authenticity > of > > an author's writings. So no, Maja, there was no transgression here > at > > all, nor was there in Shanmukha's reply to you. > > > > As for the content of the book, there are two guru's in my life who > > inspired its writing, and I learned most of the content written > there > > from them. They are my Diksa guru, Sri Srimad A.C. Bhaktivedanta > > Swami, and my Jyotish guru, Pandit Sanjay Rath. The meanings of > > numerous scriptural quotations as relevant to the subject of > > spirituality in Jyotish, as well as delineation of various > Avataras in > > Chapter 1, all came through the teachings of my Diksa guru. My > Diksa > > guru was a preeminent scholar of Vedic shastras coming in an > > illustrious Vaishnava Parampara (Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya sampradaya), > > and thus the principles founded upon his teachings are sound. > Most of > > the astrological teachings were and continue to be central to > those of > > SJC, including the calculation and interpretation of Drig Dasha, > which > > I still find to be accurate and correct in practice. The > revelations > > on Argala were not only as instructed by Pandit Rath, but have also > > proven to be very practical in my own researches with Jyotish, and > > were illustrated in many ways in the book as well. > > > > I presented the book in such a way as to acknolwedge what Shanmukha > > refers to as the art of Jyotish, in addition to the science. This > > means that I do not have the final word on anything presented given > > the complexities of the subject, and also the dubiousness of > shastric > > origns, or even the principles advanced by modern scholars as well. > > What I enjoyed the most about writing the book, in addition to > > honoring the teachings of my gurus, is that the principles were so > > consistently replicated by way of many illustrations. This is > where > > Jyotish becomes exciting and dynamic, and frankly if anybody thinks > > they have the last word on what is, or isn't correct, then they > lose > > the excitement and spontaniety of the subject. > > > > I suppose the only correction that needs to be made therefore is > the > > spelling of my name! (smiles). Please note it as follows: > > > > Best wishes, > > Robert Koch > > > > sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Maja, > > > > > > First let me explain what happened today in sending this post. I > have > > > been trying since a hour or so, to send this post. On one > computer, the > > > Internet connection was cut. On another computer, two times the > computer > > > hanged. I think its a strong nimitta that I should not send this > mail, > > > yet I kept on trying this now, let me see what happens. May be I > am > > > doing a sin here, let it be. > > > > > > I am giving below the original post I wrote. > > > > > > Namaste Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your response. You have wonderfully > explained > > > the concept of Ketu conjoining any planet. It really makes sense > and > > > clears some of my doubts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming to your doubts regarding my intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote " Dear, please don't use " his own interpretation " . It > really > > > sounds a little bit inappropriate (I suppose that you did not > have any > > > bad intention, you were probably unaware of this) " > > > > > > Yes, I do have intentions, not bad though. My intention here is > Jyotish. > > > You can check up my earlier mails, where I never did cross any > limits or > > > in verbal exchange of words. Now, I am compelled to respond. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want jyotish and that too a Jyotish that is mentioned in > Classics. I > > > wanted my basics to be on solid foundation, not on musings. I > requested > > > the same in my post. > > > > > > > > > > > > You said, " No one under guidance of any SJC Guru is doing > anything > > > similar.) " > > > > > > > > > What is so sacred about being in SJC? Do you mean people not > part of SJC > > > have bad intentions? Don't you know, a no. Of SJC Gurus/members > have > > > gone verbal exchange on the issues not connected with Jyotish? > Did you > > > ever find me doing such a thing? You can check my earlier mail > where I > > > was concerned about only Jyotish. I have my own discipline and I > always > > > followed it. If you still see any bad intentions, come to the > point and > > > I will apologize. Don't beat around the bush shoot it at me. > Else, never > > > suspect anybody who is trying to bring the important issues. You > are not > > > custodian here, and Moderators are there to take care of > misbehavior. > > > > > > > > > > > > I said " his own interpretation " , because Jyotish is a science as > well as > > > art. If it were not the art, then we don't have these many > methods and > > > techniques. I differ with my Guru over a no. of points/issues. > For > > > example, I grossly differ with him regarding calculation of > Upapada. I > > > have indicated the same in one my earlier post on Sohamsa. Yet, > this > > > doesn't mean I am against to him. I respect him and feel proud > to be > > > student of his. I feel, Guru is the one who show you the path, > not the > > > one who accompanies you. Jaimini wrote his own version of > Mahabharata > > > and which grossly differs Veda Vyasa's. Yet Jaimini is considered > > > disciple of Vyasa. In India, Everyone can have his own > interpretation, > > > but with reverence to his Guru. Narasimha has his own > interpretation > > > Chara Karaka and Drig dasa, and you mean it is also endorsed by > SJC? > > > Now, Do you understand my intentions? > > > > > > > > > > > > The other day one scholar on this forum got a doubt as to which > is from > > > parampara and which is own interpretation/modification; nobody > saw any > > > bad intention, because he is part of SJC. Now I got the same > doubt, and > > > you all see bad intention. How long will we see the bad > intentions? Is > > > it jyotish? It's all just about learning truth. I wanted to > learn > > > the truth. That's my intention. It's so simple as that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming back to jyotish, Every sutra in Sutra Vangmaya will have > two > > > meanings. One Lakshana and one Upa Lakshana. Lakshana is the > science and > > > Upa Lakshana is the art. Unless, we have a correct commentary, > which > > > clearly defines the subtle difference between the two, we never > > > understand the real meaning of the sutra. This applies to every > work in > > > Sutra Vangamaya including Jaimini Sutras. My Guru, though > considered one > > > of the great commentators alive on Jaimini Sutras, still feels > he might > > > have done some mistakes in commenting, for the very reason, that > to > > > understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be adept in six branches of > > > Vedangas. Simple knowledge of Sanskrit doesn't suffice to bring > subtle > > > points. > > > > > > > > > > > > You said " You can observe Argalas on Grahas taking their > Naisargika > > > significations, like Guru ... " . What is the difference > between " You Can " > > > and " You Shall " ? > > > > > > For me > > > > > > You Shall ----> is the science > > > > > > You Can ----> is the Art > > > > > > > > > > > > I need the science to the core. If you go with the art unless > you don't > > > understand the science, it will fetch nothing. First, let me > understand > > > what is advocated by Classics. Did you ever try to understand, > what is > > > the meaning of " Nidhyatuh " in the " Dara Bhagya .... " sutra > regarding > > > Argala. Whatever the meaning given by Sri Sanjay suffices > without that > > > word. Remember Jaimini never speaks of a letter without a > purpose, > > > forget about a word. If you miss that word, you can explain that > each > > > and every house has argala on every other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > You said " However, if you are taking Rasi occupied by Ketu, for > let's > > > say, Narayana Dasa analyzing, then you should observe Argala in > > > regular direction if native is not involved in spirituality, > but you > > > should take reverse direction in case if spirituality is an > > > important part of life for this native. " . > > > > > > > > > > > > For me spirituality is way of life. It is not a thing that a > person is > > > particularly involved in. Spirituality is about being true to > self. In > > > Indian history a butcher (Selling meat) was considered the most > dharmic > > > person than a person continually involved in Tapas, for the very > reason > > > that he does his swadharma. Take example of Dharma Vyadha, in > > > Mahabharata. > > > > > > > > > > > > I never come across any classic advocating 8th house as argala > sthana, > > > but I have seen 7th house being considered for argala by some > scholars. > > > In jyotish, there are Sampradaya (traditions) and Sasthra > (science) and > > > without understanding these two, never Astrology be called the > Jyotish. > > > I wanted to learn the Sampradaya, that's the reason why I asked > > > whether it is endorsed Achyuta Parampara. Without the scientific > concept > > > of Argala, how can you use it? > > > > > > > > > > > > One respected scholar here opined not to read Jaimini at all, > for the > > > reason of its ambiguity. Though I have not replied to him then, > I want > > > to point out here for comprehensiveness. Only thing I want to > urge the > > > readers here is to read Jaimini Sutras to learn Jaimini, letter > by > > > letter, word by word, and sutra by sutra. If you go with simple > slokas > > > available elsewhere, you will be one in the lot, that's been > there for > > > centuries. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to end this post with the caution, that whatever the > Argala > > > concept presently used is grossly incomplete. Kindly read Jaimini > > > Sutras. Don't be trapped that the world has been over the > centuries. One > > > friend of mine advised me to be silent on forums since nobody is > > > interested here. Though I agree him, yet I write here, if my > writing > > > moves a piece of grass, my purpose is survived. Somebody > said, " I have > > > no agendas and not trying to sell anything and hence have no > conflicts > > > of interest " . I have only one agenda here and that is jyotish. > That it. > > > Coming to conflict of interest. I have conflict with a no. of > issues > > > that discussed here. Yet, I respect each and everyone here. > Since, it is > > > said " Spardhayaa Vardhate Vidya " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > >  > > > > Dear Shanmukha, Namaste > > > >  > > > > All the quotations From R. Cothc's book you wrote here are > correct (it > > > is SJC, of course. Dear, please don't use " his own > interpretation " . It > > > really sounds a little bit inappropriate (I suppose that you did > not > > > have any bad intention, you were probably unaware of this) No > one > > > under guidance of any SJC Guru is doing anything similar.) > > > >  > > > > You can observe Argalas on Grahas taking their Naisargika > > > significations, like Guru for money, Sukra for partnership etc. > and then > > > analyze their influence on these life areas. > > > >  > > > > Ketu is for spirituality and Moksha, but also for buildings, > right? > > > So, when you analyze argalas on Ketu as naisargika karaka for > Moksha, > > > take them in reverse, but when you analize Ketu for buildings, > take > > > regular principles (2nd, 11th and 4th there from having primary > Argala, > > > and 5th, 7th and 8th having secondary argala. Malefic in 3rd > there from > > > gives parakramargala.). In case you want to analyze career from > > > Naisargika karaka Budh, and this Graha is joining Ketu, then you > take > > > regular principles in consideration. I believe that this is what > Robert > > > was trying to point at. > > > >  > > > > However, if you are taking Rasi occupied by Ketu, for let's > say, > > > Narayana Dasa analyzing, then you should observe Argala in > regular > > > direction if native is not involved in spirituality, but you > should > > > take reverse direction in case if spirituality is an important > part > > > of life for this native. > > > >  > > > > Maybe if you read about Argala once again from this source: > > > > > > > >  > > > > http://www.srigaruda.com/articles/2008/04/30/argala-slides/ > > > >  > > > > then I think that it will become more clear about primary and > > > secondary argala (7th is also mentioned there). > > > >  > > > > One more link: > > > >  > > > > http://www.srigaruda.com/articles/2004/11/27/introduction-to- > argala/ > > > >  > > > > Sadly I can not point you on any classical source. I hope that > someone > > > else more learned will include and let you know about particular > page in > > > BPHS or similar. > > > >  > > > > Hope that this was of some help. > > > >  > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Maja Strbac > > > >  > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Shanmukha teli_sha2002@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Shanmukha teli_sha2002@ > > > > Argala - Robert Coch's Book > > > > sohamsa > > > > Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Namaste All, > > > > > > > > Yesterday, I was reading " The Spirtual Dimensions of Vedic > > > > Astrology " , by Sri Robert Coch, and came across the following > points. > > > > > > > > 1.In Page 149, he wrote " Argala are not as strong as aspects > (rasi > > > > or graha), but their intervention is influential nevertheless. > > > > > > > > 2. In the same page he continued " Secondary argala : From > signa A, > > > > sign-houses, as well as any planets in them, in the 5th, as > well as > > > > 8th, cause argala on it. " > > > > > > > > 3. In page 150, he wrote " Planets in the 7th from " A " also have > > > > argala on it. " > > > > > > > > 4. I page 151, he wrote " The reversal of direction for Ketu's > > > > argala, however, does not apply to planets that are conjoined > Ketu. " > > > > > > > > Now, I would like to request the members to kindly clarify the > > > > following doubts. In case if they have been already clarified > by any > > > > Guru, I request any one could kindly direct me there. > > > > > > > > Are the points above written by Sri Robert, also endorsed by > Sri > > > > Jagannatha Center/ Acthyuta Paramapara or his own > interpretation ? > > > > > > > > He included 8th and 7th houses in the places of Argala. Could > anyone > > > > here direct me to any classical reference. > > > > > > > > If we agree on the above interpretation, then 6 houses get > included, > > > > in addition to the Argala of 3rd. So, seven houses in total. > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to point No.4 above. It says that Tadvipareetam > Ketoh > > > > Principle applies only for Argala. But, in Narayana dasa, we > apply > > > > this rule when Ketu occupies starting dasa sign. Is the Argala > for a > > > > Planet or a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > a. If it's for a Planet(Ketu) , then Robert is right. > > > > b. If its for a Rasi, then applying to Rasi dasas seems > > > > logical. Then Argala shall be calculated in reverse for the > > > > planets conjioned by Ketu as well. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Shanmukha. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Dear Soul Sadhak, >You wrote: > > Dear All/Robert, > > Is the book available in Indian stores? > > Best Regards, > SS Since releasing the book, I have made it available only at my web site. In the very near future, however, I will be looking into marketing it through some Indian vendors, and soon it will also be available through www.saptarishisastrology.com as well. So for now, please go to: http://www.robertkoch.com/?page_id=26 You will find buttons through which you can purchase the book through PayPal. Thank you for your interest! Best wishes, Robert Koch > sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Robert Koch, > > > > I think this time I got it right (I mean the spelling of your > name). > > Thank you very much for responding. > > > > I am going through your book. I can honestly say that yours is one > > of the best compiled works on Astrology. Very wonderfully > organized. > > > > I am not in a view that someone has a last word on this sasthra > > except the originator Sage Jaimini. Yet, I want to stress the > > importance of the word " Nidhyatuh " . I strongly feel this is where > > the Argala for the Argala concept lies. > > > > Warm regards, > > Shanmukha. > > > > P.S: Bye the way, I am a male not as you thought. Of course that > > doesn't matter as long as Jyotish is concerned. > > sohamsa , " rkoch108 " <rk@> wrote: > > > > > > Hari Om > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha and Maja, Namaste - > > > > > > Thank you for your discussion of the subjects relating to Argala > > in my > > > book, " The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology. " For > > starters, I > > > did not read anything at all inappropriate that Shanmukha wrote, > > but > > > she only inquired as to the sources of information contained in > the > > > book. This is quite acceptable in a scholarly forum, and in fact > > it > > > is healthy to publicly question the shastric or other > authenticity > > of > > > an author's writings. So no, Maja, there was no transgression > here > > at > > > all, nor was there in Shanmukha's reply to you. > > > > > > As for the content of the book, there are two guru's in my life > who > > > inspired its writing, and I learned most of the content written > > there > > > from them. They are my Diksa guru, Sri Srimad A.C. Bhaktivedanta > > > Swami, and my Jyotish guru, Pandit Sanjay Rath. The meanings of > > > numerous scriptural quotations as relevant to the subject of > > > spirituality in Jyotish, as well as delineation of various > > Avataras in > > > Chapter 1, all came through the teachings of my Diksa guru. My > > Diksa > > > guru was a preeminent scholar of Vedic shastras coming in an > > > illustrious Vaishnava Parampara (Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya > sampradaya), > > > and thus the principles founded upon his teachings are sound. > > Most of > > > the astrological teachings were and continue to be central to > > those of > > > SJC, including the calculation and interpretation of Drig Dasha, > > which > > > I still find to be accurate and correct in practice. The > > revelations > > > on Argala were not only as instructed by Pandit Rath, but have > also > > > proven to be very practical in my own researches with Jyotish, and > > > were illustrated in many ways in the book as well. > > > > > > I presented the book in such a way as to acknolwedge what > Shanmukha > > > refers to as the art of Jyotish, in addition to the science. This > > > means that I do not have the final word on anything presented > given > > > the complexities of the subject, and also the dubiousness of > > shastric > > > origns, or even the principles advanced by modern scholars as > well. > > > What I enjoyed the most about writing the book, in addition to > > > honoring the teachings of my gurus, is that the principles were so > > > consistently replicated by way of many illustrations. This is > > where > > > Jyotish becomes exciting and dynamic, and frankly if anybody > thinks > > > they have the last word on what is, or isn't correct, then they > > lose > > > the excitement and spontaniety of the subject. > > > > > > I suppose the only correction that needs to be made therefore is > > the > > > spelling of my name! (smiles). Please note it as follows: > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Robert Koch > > > > > > sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Maja, > > > > > > > > First let me explain what happened today in sending this post. > I > > have > > > > been trying since a hour or so, to send this post. On one > > computer, the > > > > Internet connection was cut. On another computer, two times the > > computer > > > > hanged. I think its a strong nimitta that I should not send > this > > mail, > > > > yet I kept on trying this now, let me see what happens. May be > I > > am > > > > doing a sin here, let it be. > > > > > > > > I am giving below the original post I wrote. > > > > > > > > Namaste Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your response. You have wonderfully > > explained > > > > the concept of Ketu conjoining any planet. It really makes > sense > > and > > > > clears some of my doubts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming to your doubts regarding my intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote " Dear, please don't use " his own interpretation " . It > > really > > > > sounds a little bit inappropriate (I suppose that you did not > > have any > > > > bad intention, you were probably unaware of this) " > > > > > > > > Yes, I do have intentions, not bad though. My intention here is > > Jyotish. > > > > You can check up my earlier mails, where I never did cross any > > limits or > > > > in verbal exchange of words. Now, I am compelled to respond. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want jyotish and that too a Jyotish that is mentioned in > > Classics. I > > > > wanted my basics to be on solid foundation, not on musings. I > > requested > > > > the same in my post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said, " No one under guidance of any SJC Guru is doing > > anything > > > > similar.) " > > > > > > > > > > > > What is so sacred about being in SJC? Do you mean people not > > part of SJC > > > > have bad intentions? Don't you know, a no. Of SJC Gurus/members > > have > > > > gone verbal exchange on the issues not connected with Jyotish? > > Did you > > > > ever find me doing such a thing? You can check my earlier mail > > where I > > > > was concerned about only Jyotish. I have my own discipline and > I > > always > > > > followed it. If you still see any bad intentions, come to the > > point and > > > > I will apologize. Don't beat around the bush shoot it at me. > > Else, never > > > > suspect anybody who is trying to bring the important issues. > You > > are not > > > > custodian here, and Moderators are there to take care of > > misbehavior. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said " his own interpretation " , because Jyotish is a science > as > > well as > > > > art. If it were not the art, then we don't have these many > > methods and > > > > techniques. I differ with my Guru over a no. of points/issues. > > For > > > > example, I grossly differ with him regarding calculation of > > Upapada. I > > > > have indicated the same in one my earlier post on Sohamsa. Yet, > > this > > > > doesn't mean I am against to him. I respect him and feel proud > > to be > > > > student of his. I feel, Guru is the one who show you the path, > > not the > > > > one who accompanies you. Jaimini wrote his own version of > > Mahabharata > > > > and which grossly differs Veda Vyasa's. Yet Jaimini is > considered > > > > disciple of Vyasa. In India, Everyone can have his own > > interpretation, > > > > but with reverence to his Guru. Narasimha has his own > > interpretation > > > > Chara Karaka and Drig dasa, and you mean it is also endorsed by > > SJC? > > > > Now, Do you understand my intentions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other day one scholar on this forum got a doubt as to which > > is from > > > > parampara and which is own interpretation/modification; nobody > > saw any > > > > bad intention, because he is part of SJC. Now I got the same > > doubt, and > > > > you all see bad intention. How long will we see the bad > > intentions? Is > > > > it jyotish? It's all just about learning truth. I wanted to > > learn > > > > the truth. That's my intention. It's so simple as that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coming back to jyotish, Every sutra in Sutra Vangmaya will have > > two > > > > meanings. One Lakshana and one Upa Lakshana. Lakshana is the > > science and > > > > Upa Lakshana is the art. Unless, we have a correct commentary, > > which > > > > clearly defines the subtle difference between the two, we never > > > > understand the real meaning of the sutra. This applies to every > > work in > > > > Sutra Vangamaya including Jaimini Sutras. My Guru, though > > considered one > > > > of the great commentators alive on Jaimini Sutras, still feels > > he might > > > > have done some mistakes in commenting, for the very reason, > that > > to > > > > understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be adept in six branches of > > > > Vedangas. Simple knowledge of Sanskrit doesn't suffice to bring > > subtle > > > > points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said " You can observe Argalas on Grahas taking their > > Naisargika > > > > significations, like Guru ... " . What is the difference > > between " You Can " > > > > and " You Shall " ? > > > > > > > > For me > > > > > > > > You Shall ----> is the science > > > > > > > > You Can ----> is the Art > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need the science to the core. If you go with the art unless > > you don't > > > > understand the science, it will fetch nothing. First, let me > > understand > > > > what is advocated by Classics. Did you ever try to understand, > > what is > > > > the meaning of " Nidhyatuh " in the " Dara Bhagya .... " sutra > > regarding > > > > Argala. Whatever the meaning given by Sri Sanjay suffices > > without that > > > > word. Remember Jaimini never speaks of a letter without a > > purpose, > > > > forget about a word. If you miss that word, you can explain > that > > each > > > > and every house has argala on every other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said " However, if you are taking Rasi occupied by Ketu, > for > > let's > > > > say, Narayana Dasa analyzing, then you should observe Argala in > > > > regular direction if native is not involved in spirituality, > > but you > > > > should take reverse direction in case if spirituality is an > > > > important part of life for this native. " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me spirituality is way of life. It is not a thing that a > > person is > > > > particularly involved in. Spirituality is about being true to > > self. In > > > > Indian history a butcher (Selling meat) was considered the most > > dharmic > > > > person than a person continually involved in Tapas, for the > very > > reason > > > > that he does his swadharma. Take example of Dharma Vyadha, in > > > > Mahabharata. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never come across any classic advocating 8th house as argala > > sthana, > > > > but I have seen 7th house being considered for argala by some > > scholars. > > > > In jyotish, there are Sampradaya (traditions) and Sasthra > > (science) and > > > > without understanding these two, never Astrology be called the > > Jyotish. > > > > I wanted to learn the Sampradaya, that's the reason why I asked > > > > whether it is endorsed Achyuta Parampara. Without the > scientific > > concept > > > > of Argala, how can you use it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One respected scholar here opined not to read Jaimini at all, > > for the > > > > reason of its ambiguity. Though I have not replied to him then, > > I want > > > > to point out here for comprehensiveness. Only thing I want to > > urge the > > > > readers here is to read Jaimini Sutras to learn Jaimini, letter > > by > > > > letter, word by word, and sutra by sutra. If you go with simple > > slokas > > > > available elsewhere, you will be one in the lot, that's been > > there for > > > > centuries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to end this post with the caution, that whatever the > > Argala > > > > concept presently used is grossly incomplete. Kindly read > Jaimini > > > > Sutras. Don't be trapped that the world has been over the > > centuries. One > > > > friend of mine advised me to be silent on forums since nobody is > > > > interested here. Though I agree him, yet I write here, if my > > writing > > > > moves a piece of grass, my purpose is survived. Somebody > > said, " I have > > > > no agendas and not trying to sell anything and hence have no > > conflicts > > > > of interest " . I have only one agenda here and that is jyotish. > > That it. > > > > Coming to conflict of interest. I have conflict with a no. of > > issues > > > > that discussed here. Yet, I respect each and everyone here. > > Since, it is > > > > said " Spardhayaa Vardhate Vidya " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > >  > > > > > Dear Shanmukha, Namaste > > > > >  > > > > > All the quotations From R. Cothc's book you wrote here are > > correct (it > > > > is SJC, of course. Dear, please don't use " his own > > interpretation " . It > > > > really sounds a little bit inappropriate (I suppose that you > did > > not > > > > have any bad intention, you were probably unaware of this) No > > one > > > > under guidance of any SJC Guru is doing anything similar.) > > > > >  > > > > > You can observe Argalas on Grahas taking their Naisargika > > > > significations, like Guru for money, Sukra for partnership etc. > > and then > > > > analyze their influence on these life areas. > > > > >  > > > > > Ketu is for spirituality and Moksha, but also for buildings, > > right? > > > > So, when you analyze argalas on Ketu as naisargika karaka for > > Moksha, > > > > take them in reverse, but when you analize Ketu for buildings, > > take > > > > regular principles (2nd, 11th and 4th there from having primary > > Argala, > > > > and 5th, 7th and 8th having secondary argala. Malefic in 3rd > > there from > > > > gives parakramargala.). In case you want to analyze career from > > > > Naisargika karaka Budh, and this Graha is joining Ketu, then > you > > take > > > > regular principles in consideration. I believe that this is > what > > Robert > > > > was trying to point at. > > > > >  > > > > > However, if you are taking Rasi occupied by Ketu, for let's > > say, > > > > Narayana Dasa analyzing, then you should observe Argala in > > regular > > > > direction if native is not involved in spirituality, but you > > should > > > > take reverse direction in case if spirituality is an important > > part > > > > of life for this native. > > > > >  > > > > > Maybe if you read about Argala once again from this source: > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > http://www.srigaruda.com/articles/2008/04/30/argala-slides/ > > > > >  > > > > > then I think that it will become more clear about primary and > > > > secondary argala (7th is also mentioned there). > > > > >  > > > > > One more link: > > > > >  > > > > > http://www.srigaruda.com/articles/2004/11/27/introduction-to- > > argala/ > > > > >  > > > > > Sadly I can not point you on any classical source. I hope > that > > someone > > > > else more learned will include and let you know about > particular > > page in > > > > BPHS or similar. > > > > >  > > > > > Hope that this was of some help. > > > > >  > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > >  > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Shanmukha teli_sha2002@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shanmukha teli_sha2002@ > > > > > Argala - Robert Coch's Book > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > Namaste All, > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, I was reading " The Spirtual Dimensions of Vedic > > > > > Astrology " , by Sri Robert Coch, and came across the following > > points. > > > > > > > > > > 1.In Page 149, he wrote " Argala are not as strong as aspects > > (rasi > > > > > or graha), but their intervention is influential nevertheless. > > > > > > > > > > 2. In the same page he continued " Secondary argala : From > > signa A, > > > > > sign-houses, as well as any planets in them, in the 5th, as > > well as > > > > > 8th, cause argala on it. " > > > > > > > > > > 3. In page 150, he wrote " Planets in the 7th from " A " also > have > > > > > argala on it. " > > > > > > > > > > 4. I page 151, he wrote " The reversal of direction for Ketu's > > > > > argala, however, does not apply to planets that are conjoined > > Ketu. " > > > > > > > > > > Now, I would like to request the members to kindly clarify the > > > > > following doubts. In case if they have been already clarified > > by any > > > > > Guru, I request any one could kindly direct me there. > > > > > > > > > > Are the points above written by Sri Robert, also endorsed by > > Sri > > > > > Jagannatha Center/ Acthyuta Paramapara or his own > > interpretation ? > > > > > > > > > > He included 8th and 7th houses in the places of Argala. Could > > anyone > > > > > here direct me to any classical reference. > > > > > > > > > > If we agree on the above interpretation, then 6 houses get > > included, > > > > > in addition to the Argala of 3rd. So, seven houses in total. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly refer to point No.4 above. It says that Tadvipareetam > > Ketoh > > > > > Principle applies only for Argala. But, in Narayana dasa, we > > apply > > > > > this rule when Ketu occupies starting dasa sign. Is the > Argala > > for a > > > > > Planet or a Rasi ? > > > > > > > > > > a. If it's for a Planet(Ketu) , then Robert is right. > > > > > b. If its for a Rasi, then applying to Rasi dasas seems > > > > > logical. Then Argala shall be calculated in reverse for the > > > > > planets conjioned by Ketu as well. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > Shanmukha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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