Resolving Points

[Guest guest]

om paramesthi gurave namah

Dear Narasimha,

 

Since you do not have any real definition of Gandanta, I am

dropping that and continue with my belief of the junction between Agni and Jala

rasi as the case of gandanta and the loka junctions. Which is perfectly in line

with everything I have learnt.

 

Two statements you have made contradict standard texts on

Jyotish and Mantra Shastra. Please correct me if I am not understanding you

well out here -

 

Statement 1: *fasting

on any day or any tithi* is good so long as the sankalpa has been made

for the devata you intend to pray to. Results maybe a bit delayed but will

be there.

Statement 2: *reciting

any prayer* will give the desired effects for any ailment we wish to

remedy

 

 

Is this what you intended to say or did I get this wrong?

Statement 1 is an arrogance that the entire Jyotisha shastra is

bogus and has no relevance as the remedial measures prescribed by Parasara and

others to be done on specific days are irrlevant and not of much consequence.

This sounds like another astrologer I had known some time back whose statements

like this coerced me to write Vedic Remedies in Astrology so that people are

not misled but such pretexts to knowledge.

 

Statement 2 is an arrogance that the entire mantra shastra is

useless and the Rishi’s were wasting time in giving so many mantras for the

same devata, like say thousands of mantras for Vishnu or Hanuman when any one

mantra would suffice. OR it is like saying that we can take paracetamol and

pray that cancer is cured. I think I may have to write a book on Mantra Shastra

to validate the teachings of the vedic seers.

 

I think there is something wrong in the way you are saying what

you want to say. Please rethink and correct your statements for the sake of

good record in this list.

 

With Warm Regards

Sanjay Rath

http://srath.com http://sohamsa.com http://.org

15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi, 110060, India

[Guest guest]

om paramesthi gurave namah

Dear Narasimha,

 

I read this mail twice. OK, just spell it out. What is the

reason for Gandanta being in 0 deg, 120 deg and 240 deg of the zodiac if it is

not a junction between agni and jala...I want to her your words if you have

any. You keep saying Parasara says so and yet there is nothing forthcoming.

 

The rashi is associated with the Aditya as the rashi come into

existence because of the Sun, which is the agni tattva. Vara is also agni

tattva among the panchanga of Jyotisha. That is why Vaara is related to rashi. Karma

has been advised in the vaara of the lords of the rashi or the hora of the

lords of the rashi related to a bhaava and for this reason, fasting and other

such karma related to rashi are also based on this. [see Prashna Marga for

details].

 

Moon is the significator of the Aroodha. It is the *emotional

content* related to the maya manifestation of everything in life. Suffering

is caused as we do not fathom the karma associated that resulted in suffering

and fasting is a a means of self punishment and correction related to the

raashi where the aroodha is. Just as Agni has the purity to burn the root of

sin, fasting on vaara related to the UL is surely going to cleanse the sins

associated with the suffering in it. While this may not give a 100% satisfaction

as the *moon* content has not been addressed, at least the initiation of

the aroodha occurs and people find their partners, get married and get along

with life. Proof lies in the pudding and with so many cases where people have

fasted on UL days and have got result, we have found faith in these teachings

reinforced. Why fast? Fasting on vaara is a means to correcting the flaw

associated with the raashi. Raashi is a quantity and hence it is related to the

material effects of the bhava and that is what people are looking for when they

come to th astrologer. You have done well to recall my teachings in this –

remember what I taught – Men should worship a female deity and women shold worship

a male deity for the UL fasting. I wonder if they really follow this.

 

Why not give fasting at night instead of day? Sun is always good

for the Upapada (Jaimini etc) and that is why we have limited this to day

fasting and not night fasting as well or 24 hour fast. This is my

interpolation. [ satisfied J ] Elders would have given long periods of

fast starting from the vaara, like keeping 21 days fast for the birth of child!

You think I should be doing that! You think anyone will lsiten. Try it yourself

before asking me to advise those hard penance kind of fasts.

 

Who says the Moon has nothing to do with the arudha. It is the

sustainer. Now people to an astrologer when they are looking for getting married

and hardly anyone comes these days asking for prolonging marriage. Either they

want to get into one or get out of one and into another...astrologers these

days are relegated to helping people make these transitions painless and fast.

Of course some have come and I have not failed them. I have a ready shloka for

this – start from Taurus in Hamsa gati:

Gouri, Kaali, Uma, Bhadraa, Durga, Kanti, Saraswati

Mangalaa, Vaishnavi, Lakshmi, Shivaa, Naraayani

See I have them ready for the 12 signs in Hamsa Gati from the mool

trikona of Moon in hamsa gati

 

Mantra Shastra is a very detailed work and includes mantra dosha

etc. It is very scientific and accurate. It takes a lifetime to master this.

 

You talk of begging God vs commanding God? Now where did that

come from? How is it related to what is under discussion. Perhaps I have missed

many mails and am not able to get the context. Trying to command God is *BLACK

MAGIC* and this is detestable to say the least. The attitude should always

be that of a beggar in front of God. If anyone has said otherwise, I also

disagee with him/her.

 

Prasiddha mantras always give result, even without initiation

and who knows how ready a person is for initation. So I prefer sticking to

prasiddha mantras with people who do not have initiations. This is there in VRA

also.

 

I have some questions where I have doubts about what you say. It

is below  your mail.

 

With Warm Regards

Sanjay Rath

http://srath.com http://sohamsa.com http://.org

15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi, 110060, India

 

 

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

15 February 2009 09:34

sohamsa ; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

Cc: vedic astrology ;

On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: Resolving

Points)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Statement 1 is an arrogance that the entire Jyotisha shastra is bogus

 

 

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and has no relevance as the remedial measures prescribed by

 

 

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Parasara and others to be done on specific days are irrlevant and

 

 

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not of much consequence.

 

 

 

 

 

First

of all, Parasara did *not*

prescribe fasting on specific weekdays or tithis based on any arudhas or houses

in a chart.

 

 

 

 

 

For

doshas in birth chart or to get relief from planetary afflictions or to get the

blessings of planets, he suggested various *homas*

(fire rituals) and described how to perform them. His section on remedial

measures is full of various homas. I am not dismissing those remedies taught by

Parasara himself and I am in fact slowly preparing manuals on them so that

anybody can do them by themselves.

[sanjay Rath:] what about the Puranas? Have you gone through the

Navagraha mantras given in the Garuda Purana and other puranic literature?

 

 

 

 

 

Parasara

did *not*

specify the weekday or tithi for most of these homas (e.g. planetary homas).

Only for homas for specific birth doshas (e.g. Amavasya dosha or Moola dosha),

he fixed the tithi or nakshatra based on the dosha and the deity. But the days

are not based on any house or arudha in the chart.

[sanjay Rath:] If Amavasya dosha is to be performed on Amavasya,

when should the worship of a graha be done? Let us say someone wishes to

worship Mars (Mangala graha). When do you think this worship should be done?

 

 

 

 

 

Thus,

the principles I am questioning are *not*

from Parasara.

[sanjay Rath:] Where do you think Veda Vyasa (Krishna

dvaipaayana) got his knowledge and those who wrote it as scribes for him, where

did they get it from?

 

 

 

 

 

Second,

I said what I said in a *context*.

People are mentioning complicated principles that are not found in classics or

works of rishis and scaring people that performing austerities such as fasting

on certain days cause " danger to spouse " or " serious

doshas " or " insult to Vishnu " , based on horoscope. I find these

principles illogical and based on hasty thinking. There may be a little

difference between doing an austerity on different days, but my point is that

it is smaller compared to the difference between doing and not doing at all and

that doing it on a " wrong day " does not cause danger as being

suggested.

[sanjay Rath:] I am sorry. I missed the context and just saw

some mails that were forwarded to me amidst my writing. But them its always a

pleasure to talk to you as in that many many have benefitted, and that includes

us as well.

 

 

 

 

 

Third,

our shastras primarily talk about worshipping various deities on various days,

based on the energy of the *deity*.

For worshipping a certain deity, certain tithi or weekday or nakshatra is

better than others. This is based on the deity and irrespective of the person

worshipping. Let me give an analogy. If a rich man comes out with more money to

give to beggars on a specific day, a beggar is better off going and begging on

that day. Schedule and mood of the giver is more important.

[sanjay Rath:] That’s not right...at least people who read this

will think. Let’s say Shiva worship on Mondays. Shiva is the pratyadhi devata

of the Sun and is not worshipped on Sundays but on Mondays. NOTE – a day after

Sunday! Similarly Narayana is the pratyadhi devata of Mercury and is worshipped

on Thursdays instead of Wednesdays. NOTE – again a day after! So what happened

to the energy equation? J

 

 

 

 

 

Choosing

the day of a remedy based on the deity is more important and the variations

based on individual horoscope are less important. I am not saying there are no

horoscopic variations. But they are smaller and, more importantly, I

question if they are actually well-understood by astrologers today to

apply *reliably*.

I question over-emphasizing and over-selling unreliable principles of

questionable origin and scaring people on that basis.

[sanjay Rath:] To this I can agree as many have not understood

even the basics of Sanatana dharma! Some behave as if there is a battle going

on between Shiva and Vishnu – it’s hilarious to see how these are just attempts

to convert Hinduism into a religion they have left rather than trying to learn

what Hinduism means. Being newly converted there is a bellicose patriotism in

them to prove their faith to the *new god* they have found and every other God

must be the devil in disguise!! It will take years for many to learn that there

is no devil. It’s a figment of their imagination and whatever is devilish is

the dark side of mankind himself.

 

 

 

 

 

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Statement 2 is an arrogance that the entire mantra shastra is useless

 

 

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and the Rishi’s were wasting time in giving so many mantras for

 

 

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the same devata, like say thousands of mantras for Vishnu or Hanuman

 

 

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when any one mantra would suffice. OR it is like saying that we can

 

 

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take paracetamol and pray that cancer is cured. I think I may have to

 

 

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write a book on Mantra Shastra to validate the teachings of the vedic

 

 

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seers.

[sanjay Rath:] I got your point here. It’s a good point.

 

Now somewhere you talked of wasting time!!! Look what you are

doing. You were asked to work on Parashara by your Spiritual Master, and are

you doing that? Me10, Ve7, Ve6...good research but is that from Parashara?

I also know what argument you will give me - J You

will say I am already working on that and have some spare time to do this as

well...to which I will have nothing to say.