On Remedial Measures Difference (Resolving Points)

February 16, 2009

Hi Michal,

What i can understand from Narasimha's mail is:

Yes, you can do Mantra, but there are infinetly possible mantras and

when you can fill your mind with the constant repetetion and

reverberation, you'll experience the mantra. However, this is

irrelevant to most of the people as they are not highly evolved in

understanding the subtleties or variations of these Mantras because

of their state of control over their mind. Hence for such ordinary

mortals one can recite the prasidha mantras.

May be his suggestions is if one has evolved and progressed by these

prasidha mantras, can perhaps progress to those special infinetly

possible mantras.

Thanks

Krishna Kanth

sohamsa , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal

wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> Regarding the following:

>

> The universe has many lokas (planes of

> consciousness) , many beings and many objects. There are infinite

karmic

> interactions possible between them. Accordingly, there are infinite

possible

> mantras. When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill

it*

> with a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the

mind

> constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect

absorption of

> self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal changes by the

flow of energy

> internally in specific ways (specific to the mantra) and that

causes

> corresponding external changes in the universe and corresponding

karmic

> interactions between various objects.

>

> However, this variety of mantras, experiences and

> results is irrelevant to one who does not have such perfect control

over the

> mind to absorb the mind fully in a mantra. It is relevant only to a

seer whose

> self-awareness is quite evolved and hence control over mind

impeccable. Such

> seers are extremely extremely rare today. Most people are unable to

experience

> any mantra and mantras do not work for them as they are supposed

> to.

>

> Thank you for this very original philosophy, I have never heard it

put like this. I will try to summarize so my issue is clear.

>

> Step 1: Perfectly control your mind.

> Step 2: Repeat a mantra and experience it fully.

> Step 3: Internal processes take place that then cause external

change.

>

> How are we to achieve step 1? Is it not recommended to practice

mantra to achieve this?

>

> Oh, but then I read this:

>

> Any prasiddha mantra (e.g. ashtakshari,

> panchakshari, dwadasakshari, navakshari, vishnu sahasranaam,

rudram, hare

> krishna maha mantra, chandipath, ganapati atharva seersham,

mrityunjaya

> mantra etc) can help one make progress if one develops the right

attitude.

> Without the right attitude, even an impeaccably picked mantra will

do

> nothing.

>

> So now I don't know what you are trying to say. Should we chant

mantra's or not? In one instance you are saying it is futile, then

you say it can help one make progress *with the right attitude*.

Progress to what? Controlling the mind?

>

> I only mention this because you said:

>

> I hope this sufficiently clarifies my stand.

>

> And I don't see how it could. Within a couple of sentences there

are totally opposite points.

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> ________________________________

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

> sohamsa ; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

> Cc: vedic astrology ;

> Sunday, 15 February, 2009 5:03:46 PM

> On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: Resolving

Points)

>

> ï»¿

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> > Since you do not have any real definition of

> Gandanta, I am dropping that

> I do have a definition of gandanta, which is

> Parasara's definition in BPHS.

>

> Since some of you are extrapolating it based on the fire embodied

in UL and

> water embodied in tithis, the onus is on you to outline and justify

your

> definition. I got into this thread because statements were made

that fasting on

> particular weekdays or tithis in a chart can cause " insult to

Vishnu " , " serious

> doshas " and " danger to spouse " , based on these far-fetched

extrapolations of

> gandanta.

>

> > Which is perfectly in line with everything I

> have learnt.

>

> Well, you once taught that houses represent

> Sun/Shiva/truth and arudhas represent Moon/Gouri/percepti on. That

was

> meaningful. Now, you associated UL, an arudha, with Sun and fire

and 12th, a

> house, with Gouri and water. I question whether the new theory on

fasting is

> really in line with everything you have learnt (and taught).

>

> BTW, I specifically asked for a clarification on

> whether this was based on your own thinking or from

classics/parampara (see

> quoted mail below for the full context). Like so many times with

similar

> questions I asked privately and recently publicly, you did not

> respond.

>

> *

> * *

>

> > Statement 1 is an arrogance that the entire

> Jyotisha shastra is bogus

> > and has no relevance as the remedial measures

> prescribed by

> > Parasara and others to be done on specific

> days are irrlevant and

> > not of much consequence.

>

> First of all, Parasara did *not* prescribe

> fasting on specific weekdays or tithis based on any arudhas or

houses in a

> chart.

>

> For doshas in birth chart or to get relief from

> planetary afflictions or to get the blessings of planets, he

suggested various

> *homas* (fire rituals) and described how to perform them. His

section

> on remedial measures is full of various homas. I am not dismissing

those

> remedies taught by Parasara himself and I am in fact slowly

preparing manuals on

> them so that anybody can do them by themselves.

>

> Parasara did *not* specify the weekday or

> tithi for most of these homas (e.g. planetary homas). Only for

homas for

> specific birth doshas (e.g. Amavasya dosha or Moola dosha), he

fixed the tithi

> or nakshatra based on the dosha and the deity. But the days are not

based on any

> house or arudha in the chart.

>

> Thus, the principles I am questioning are

> *not* from Parasara.

>

> Second, I said what I said in a *context*.

> People are mentioning complicated principles that are not found in

classics or

> works of rishis and scaring people that performing austerities such

as fasting

> on certain days cause " danger to spouse " or " serious doshas "

or " insult to

> Vishnu " , based on horoscope. I find these principles illogical and

based on

> hasty thinking. There may be a little difference between doing an

austerity on

> different days, but my point is that it is smaller compared to the

difference

> between doing and not doing at all and that doing it on a " wrong

day " does

> not cause danger as being suggested.

>

> Third, our shastras primarily talk about

> worshipping various deities on various days, based on the energy of

the

> *deity*. For worshipping a certain deity, certain tithi or weekday

or

> nakshatra is better than others. This is based on the deity and

irrespective of

> the person worshipping. Let me give an analogy. If a rich man comes

out with

> more money to give to beggars on a specific day, a beggar is better

off going

> and begging on that day. Schedule and mood of the giver is more

> important.

>

> Choosing the day of a remedy based on the deity is

> more important and the variations based on individual horoscope are

less

> important. I am not saying there are no horoscopic variations. But

they are

> smaller and, more importantly, I question if they are actually

> well-understood by astrologers today to apply *reliably*. I

> question over-emphasizing and over-selling unreliable principles of

questionable

> origin and scaring people on that basis.

>

> *

> * *

>

> > Statement 2 is an arrogance that the entire

> mantra shastra is useless

> > and the RishiÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s were wasting time in giving

> so many mantras for

> > the same devata, like say thousands of mantras

> for Vishnu or Hanuman

> > when any one mantra would suffice. OR it is

> like saying that we can

> > take paracetamol and pray that cancer is

> cured. I think I may have to

> > write a book on Mantra Shastra to validate the

> teachings of the vedic

> > seers.

>

> I did not say it is " useless " . Instead, I suggest

> that our ability to use it is limited and we should take our

limitations into

> consideration.

>

> The universe has many lokas (planes of

> consciousness) , many beings and many objects. There are infinite

karmic

> interactions possible between them. Accordingly, there are infinite

possible

> mantras. When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill

it*

> with a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the

mind

> constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect

absorption of

> self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal changes by the

flow of energy

> internally in specific ways (specific to the mantra) and that

causes

> corresponding external changes in the universe and corresponding

karmic

> interactions between various objects.

>

> However, this variety of mantras, experiences and

> results is irrelevant to one who does not have such perfect control

over the

> mind to absorb the mind fully in a mantra. It is relevant only to a

seer whose

> self-awareness is quite evolved and hence control over mind

impeccable. Such

> seers are extremely extremely rare today. Most people are unable to

experience

> any mantra and mantras do not work for them as they are supposed

> to.

>

> *

> * *

>

> Just repeating a combination of sounds does not

> guarantee anything. Some people may think that certain results come

when they

> repeat a mantra certain number of times. That is an incorrect

notion. A mantra

> may work for one person quickly and another may spend the whole

life chanting it

> and nothing may happen. Absorption of the entire mind into a mantra

is needed

> for a mantra to really work and it is much more difficult than one

may

> think.

>

> *

> * *

>

> A highly learned scholar in the court of a king may

> be able to command the king and get whatever he wants from king. An

incapable

> one is better off begging the king, rather than trying to command

(and failing

> for sure).

>

> Similarly, most people are better off begging god

> for what they want rather than trying to use the right mantra to

command what

> they want. A beggar does not need a huge vocabulary or great

scholarship or

> knowledge. Feeling of humility and helplessness, surrender,

> patience and persistence are what help a beggar succeed. A beggar

needs the

> right attitude rather than knowledge. In this age and time, best

bet for

> most people is to learn to be a good beggar at god's door.

>

> What people today need for

> material and spiritual progress through remedial measures is a

better attitude

> in begging god rather than a better choice of tools such as mantras

and other

> specifics such as weekday, tithi etc to command a specific result

from

> god.

>

> It is worth noting that so many great spiritual

> teachers who came in the last century or two did not emphasize

picking the right

> mantra based on horoscope etc. Instead, they emphasized having the

correct

> attitude - surrender, submission, devotion, patience, persistence,

discipline,

> humility etc. *That* is a lot more important and useful than

> trying to be oversmart with the choice of mantra, day etc and

impress

> god.

>

> *

> * *

>

> One more thing. We have many mantras given by

> rishis, but the guidelines from rishis like Parasara on how to pick

a

> mantra based on the horoscope are very limited. Astrologers today

do not operate

> solely based on them. They use all kinds of other rules coming from

various

> traditions. They are not free from corruption and imperfection.

Most scriptures

> associate various mantras with various results, irrespective of

horoscope. For

> example, irrespective of who is the 6th lord and 8th lord and lord

of A6 and A8,

> Rina Vimochaka Angaraka mantra is good for debt control. And so on.

Linking of

> horoscope is overplayed by today's astrologers, way beyond the

scope of

> Parasara's guidelines.

>

> If one has a sadguru, I recommend following the

> word of sadguru rather than that of an astrology theoretician.

>

> If not, there is no foolproof way to know the right

> path. Pick any path (given by an astrologer or one that you feel

attracted to)

> instead of wasting time and then keep working on your attitude. The

latter is

> the key. As I said earlier, learn to be a humble beggar at god's

door. Choice of

> Mantra is secondary and attitude is primary. If you succeed in

being a really

> humble beggar, you stand a better chance of success than great

> scholars.

>

> Any prasiddha mantra (e.g. ashtakshari,

> panchakshari, dwadasakshari, navakshari, vishnu sahasranaam,

rudram, hare

> krishna maha mantra, chandipath, ganapati atharva seersham,

mrityunjaya

> mantra etc) can help one make progress if one develops the right

attitude.

> Without the right attitude, even an impeaccably picked mantra will

do

> nothing.

>

> *

> * *

>

> I hope this sufficiently clarifies my stand. I

> discuss these matters related to spiritual sadhana more on the

> . Some writings are sampled at http://www.vedicast

rologer.org/ homam/writings. htm.

>

> Best

> regards,

> Narasimha

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> om paramesthi gurave namah

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> Since you do not have any real definition of Gandanta, I am

dropping that and continue with my belief of the junction between

Agni and Jala rasi as the case of gandanta and the loka junctions.

Which is perfectly in line with everything I have learnt.

>

> Two statements you have made contradict standard texts on Jyotish

and Mantra Shastra. Please correct me if I am not understanding you

well out here -

>

> 1. Statement 1: *fasting on any day or any tithi* is good so long

as the sankalpa has been made for the devata you intend to pray to.

Results maybe a bit delayed but will be there.

> 2. Statement 2: *reciting any prayer* will give the desired

effects for any ailment we wish to remedy

>

> Is this what you intended to say or did I get this wrong?

>

> Statement 1 is an arrogance that the entire Jyotisha shastra is

bogus and has no relevance as the remedial measures prescribed by

Parasara and others to be done on specific days are irrlevant and

not of much consequence. This sounds like another astrologer I had

known some time back whose statements like this coerced me to write

Vedic Remedies in Astrology so that people are not misled but such

pretexts to knowledge.

>

> Statement 2 is an arrogance that the entire mantra shastra is

useless and the RishiÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s were wasting time in giving so many

mantras for the same devata, like say thousands of mantras for Vishnu

or Hanuman when any one mantra would suffice. OR it is like saying

that we can take paracetamol and pray that cancer is cured. I think

I may have to write a book on Mantra Shastra to validate the

teachings of the vedic seers.

>

> I think there is something wrong in the way you are saying what

you want to say. Please rethink and correct your statements for the

sake of good record in this list.

>

> With Warm Regards

> Sanjay Rath

> http://srath. com http://sohamsa. com http:// .org

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi, 110060, India

>

> -

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> sohamsa@ .com

> Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:03 PM

> Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>

> Namaste Sanjay and friends,

>

> My answers are in red and prefixed with " [Narasimha] " .

>

> <<<<<< Begin quote <<<<<<

> > > >> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and

carries energy

> > > >> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of

the 2nd

> > > >> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and

gandanta may

> > > >> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the

way out.

> >

> > Why does a rashi carry the energy of vaara only and not that of

the tithi???? Why does rashi represent vaara or fire?

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] Because Raashi were created by Surya and for

doing so Surya took 12 forms called the Dvadasa Aditya...Narasimha

you ask this?? What is happening?

> >

> > After all, Rudra rules over the element of fire and Gouri rules

over the element of water and one worships Gouri at the time of

marriage. Moreover, Venus (water) is the karaka for marriage. So one

could even say that UL/marriage is represented by water element and

fasting on UL lord's tithi brings the element of water (prosperity

and well-being) to one's marriage (UL)? One could even say that

fasting on the weekday of UL lord should be prohibited as it brings

the fire element represented by weekday to the water of UL and

causes " gandanta " !

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] UL is the Maya and is associated with the Raashi

Narasimha. It is the 12L which is the creator of the UL...just as

the mother Gouri creates everything through the shakti of the graha,

all the arudha are created by her due to the lordships of the

planets. So fasting on the tithi lorded by the 12th lord will be a

*more correct* answer.

> >>>>>> End quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] We always say that houses (truth) are represented by

Sun (aatman) and arudha padas (maya) by Moon (mind).

>

> Thus, 12th house is the actual creator and UL is the apparent

creator in the field of maya. Houses (truth) should actually be

associated with Sun (aatman) and Shiva (and not Gouri), while arudha

padas (perception) should actually be associated with Moon (mind)

and Gouri. After all, that is what we do in the tripod method in

dasa judgment.

>

> Thus, it is actually more logical to say that 12th house and 12th

lord imbibe the agni tattva of Sun and UL and UL lord imbibe the

jala tattva of Moon.

>

> Is the above " *more correct* answer " based on your own thinking or

is it from a classic or from tradition?

>

> <<<<<< Begin quote <<<<<<

> > The mantra one meditates with at the end of a day's fasting is

far more effective than at other times. The conservation of energy

otherwise spent on digestion or speech will enable far more

effective mantra meditation. So fast or keep mouna and then meditate

with a mantra, to maximize the effect of the mantra.

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] I do not agree with this. Correct eating is the

best blessing for good mantra practise. On days when one fasts the

mind is troubled by hunger causing the stomach to burn and churn and

this disturbs mantra japa. Correct eating (alpa aahaara) is many

many times better than complete fasting.

>

> >>>>>> End quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] Well, if one cannot fast, then one is destined to

expend some energy on digestion after all and not focus all energy

on the mantra. But the bottomline is that shastras say that one

should meditate either without or with very little food (niraahaaro

mitaahaaro). In any case, I hope we agree that meditation sessions

after heavy eating are heavily restrained in effectiveness.

>

> <<<<<< Begin quote <<<<< Seriously, however, this kind of

stretching of gandanta concepts is quite illogical.

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] It is not stretching ... it is the very

definition of gandanta Ã¢â‚¬â€œ the interface between fire and

water. Put a burning match in a glass of water, the fire

dies...There are other GandaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s in the chart but they are not

anta (ends). Take Chitra ganda between Kanya and Tula.

>

> >>>>>> End quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] Putting a burning match in a glass of water does

indeed kill fire. But the question is of contact. If I am thinking

of fire in my mind while standing in water, it does not kill the

fire. There is no contact.

>

> My point is that the examples given have no real identifiable

contact between water and fire.

>

> One can be creative and come up with a lot of theories. For

example, one can say that Moon and Venus are jala tattva and all

rasis show agni tattva (then why are some rasis marked as agni rasis

and some as water rasis etc) and hence the sign occupied by Moon and

Venus cause contact between water and fire. Then one can say fasting

on the weekdays of the dispositors of Moon and Venus causes gandanta

and serious danger.

>

> It is not enough to show some fire and some water. See what counts

as contact. Otherwise, one will engage in illogical extrapolations.

>

> <<<<<< Begin quote <<<<<<

> > Three years back you said you are leaving jyotish....then again

you told me two years back and again recently that you are leaving

jyotish. Now it is getting very evident that *jyotish is leaving

you*. The knowledge of Jyotish is PERFECT Ã¢â‚¬â€œ individuals

embody it in different levels of their understanding and

intelligence.

>

> >>>>>> End quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] Nothing is permanent. What is one's cannot be taken

away. And one cannot cling on to what is not one's. Some rejoice

when it seems like something comes and cry when it seems like

something leaves. Some impassionately observe as things seem to come

and go and do what they see as their dharma with the things they

seem to have.

>

> Just a factual correction though: I never said I was leaving

Jyotish. For a few years after my spiritual master entered my life,

my interest in other things went down (though I continued to do

other things) and my focus on spiritual sadhana intensified. So I

said that my interest in Jyotish was very low. However, my guru gave

me a task later. He wanted me to study the teachings of Parasara

independently, meditate on them and share my interpretations with

the world. He said I was very passionate in my Jyotish activities

earlier, and he wanted me to do the same now but dispassionately and

without an attachment. He felt that I still have a contribution to

make to Jyotish and wants me to do it as an unattached karma. His

word is everything for me.

>

> What I told you recently is not that I was leaving Jyotish but what

I said above.

>

> However, if your judgment is correct and if Jyotish is

indeed " leaving " me, I am sure my spiritual guru will realize it

sooner or later and change his command to me.

>

> <<<<<< Begin quote <<<<<<

> > I can categorically declare one thing with utmost confidence.

You pick any weekday or tithi and take a vow to fast or do mouna

vrata (remain silent) on that weekday or tithi and meditate with a

particular mantra (any) at the end of the day. You can take a vow to

keep that practice for a certain duration of time (say, a few months

or years) for a specific purpose. Take a vow and keep the vrata for

the duration. If brahmacharya can be kept for the duration of the

vrata, there is nothing like it!

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] This is a fine statement but then you seem to be

saying that the Puranas and other teachings of the seers is of not

much relevance. Of course you are right as it will be spiritually

beneficial. For example, a person wishing to marry should not fast on

UL days and should choose any day (all days are the same) or any

tithi (all tithi are the same) and start fasting and do a mantra

(any mantra!!) and then in a few days, or (maybe) a few months (or

maybe) a few years ... or maybe (what you did not say), a few

lifetimes, the marriage will happen! I cannot say you are wrong, so

I agree that what you say is right.

>

> >>>>>> End quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] This is a gross exaggeration.

>

> Is all that is being taught and practiced now strictly

from " Puranas and other teachings of the seers " ?

>

> I did not say all days and tithis are the same. Of course, there

is some difference. But, it is not as big as being made here.

>

> To make khoa, whether one uses cow milk or buffalo milk or milk of

a brown cow or a black cow or a Jersey cow or another cow does make

some difference. But it is secondary. To say that " danger "

and " serious doshas " (see the quoted mails for such claims) can be

caused by a wrong choice is wrong. To say that a wrong choice means

khoa will take 100 years to make is also a gross exaggeration.

>

> The main thing is that you need milk and sugar. If one is confused

by endless claims of khoa making consultants and ends up not making

khoa at all, that will be sad. In such a case, one can simply pick

some milk or the other, take sugar and start cooking khoa. It will

take an extra half hour, but the job will be done.

>

> I request Jyotishis to behave responsibly and humbly and not

engage in scare-mongering and say that a speicifc austerity (fasting

on a specific weekday or tithi in a chart) can cause " danger "

and " serious doshas " . No wonder some spiritual teachers look down

upon Jyotish and dismiss it. Such unbalanced attitude and self-

importance from us does not help our cause!

>

> Yes, Jyotish is helpful, but let us not oversell it or overplay the

importance.. .

>

> <<<<<< Begin quote <<<<<<

> > Gem stones may harm when used incorrectly. But, austerities like

prayers, fasting, mouna vrata and brahmacharya will NEVER do you any

harm. If your body can take fasting, you can do it on any weekday or

tithi without too many calculations.

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] Brahmacharya is good for someone planning to have

a baby or one who cannot conceive and this is kept for some period

before the appointed date of nisheka. Brahmacharya is good for

marriage?! I think you are mistaking abstinence from physical union

as Brahmacharya. Oh no its so different.

>

> >>>>>> End quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] Of course, brahmacharya is much more, but also very

difficult for most. Even physical celibacy is a good enough

austerity. Physical celibacy over an extended period of time

increases the efficacy of other austerities such as fasting, mouna

vrata, meditation and homam.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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> sohamsa@ .com, " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote:

> >

> > om paramesthi gurave namah

> >

> > Dear Narasimha

> >

> > Just added a few thoughts and questions since we are on the

topic of spirituality, which is not my forte. So I am always seeking

to learn.

> >

> > With Warm Regards

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > http://srath. com http://sohamsa. com http:// .org

> >

> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi, 110060, India

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa]

On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao

> > 06 February 2009 00:48

> > sohamsa@ .com

> > Cc:

> > Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > I would like to express my reservations on a couple of issues.

It is funny that I should be typing this email on an Ekadashi day,

when many Vaishnavas fast irrespective of their horoscopes.

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] I write on dvadasi when so many vasihnava also

fast and keep great austerities. J Any difference?

> >

> > > >> Here is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd

bhava is

> > > >> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day

of UL in

> > > >> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the food

for us.

> >

> > My dear Zoran, please allow me to express my disagreement.

> >

> > Austerities can never be seen as an insult to Vishnu. Self-

deprivation of 2nd house matters such as food (fasting) or speech

(mouna vrata - vow of silence) are austerities. Giving up food or

speech is not an insult to Vishnu just as giving up sex (i.e.

brahmacharya) is not an insult to Sukracharya (Venus).

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] I though Brahma was very angry that his sons

decided not to have progeny and stayed celibate. So He created

others. Why was Brahma angry when his sons remained celibate? Why

should Sukracharya be angry if someone is celibate? How is it an

insult or not an insult to Sukracharya? You are taking planet

signification of Venus for 7H ...and linking this to creation

process...which is wrong Narasimha. Brahma is seen from lords of

dusthana 6, 8 and 12 from lagna or 7th which is....you know

this.There is nothing wrong with the 7th house as it is necessary

for procreation. It is only the link of this with the Brahma graha

that causes it to become a serious shad-ripu. Married people are as

eligible for moksha as unmarried ones and bachelors. It depends on

the following of dharma and ashrama.

> >

> > Various gods bestow various things on us, some at the gross

physical level and some at the subtle spiritual level. As we

overcome our dependendency on gross things, we make progress at the

subtle level.

> >

> > If one eats food, a good amount of internal fire (and subtle

internal energy associated with it) is used for digesting it and for

generating physical energy from it. If one fasts, that subtle energy

is unused and available for other things. This is a tremendous

benefit. As a result, one can better digest mantras and spiritual

food available all around one.

> >

> > The mantra one meditates with at the end of a day's fasting is

far more effective than at other times. The conservation of energy

otherwise spent on digestion or speech will enable far more

effective mantra meditation. So fast or keep mouna and then meditate

with a mantra, to maximize the effect of the mantra.

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] I do not agree with this. Correct eating is the

best blessing for good mantra practise. On days when one fasts the

mind is troubled by hunger causing the stomach to burn and churn and

this disturbs mantra japa. Correct eating (alpa aahaara) is many

many times better than complete fasting.

> >

> > > >> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd lord

and