[Ind. & West. Astrology] Value Of Ayanamsa

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Dear Mr. Kaul,

I never contradict the  views of  fellow scholars. You are entitled to hold your

views and

I well come the same.

I regard Mr. Lahiri a great personality, and type of comments attributed to him,

by you , are not palatable . It does not go well with your scholarship and

dignity.

Mr. Lahiri had never called Ayanamsa adopted in his Ephemeris as citra ayanamsa.

It is you or other scholars called it so.

 Initial point of Nakshatra Acivini does not commence from its yoga Tara  , but

180  degrees

away from Star citra.

 

There seems to be lot of merit in fixing 27 Nakshatra  and there respective

 yogatatras along the ecliptic and star citra as reference point (Sidereal

londitude being 180 deg,). As you are aware 204 deg. log. of this star  is

tropical and goes on increasing at a rate of about 50.3 sec.

Vedic sages always used planetary movement including V.E.point in the back

ground of stars.

 

Each nakshatra has four padas , indicating dharma ,artha, kama and

moksha.Aries.Leo

and Sagittarius are of Agni tatwa ( means dharma) as it contains three darma

pada and so on.

Once sidereal signs came into use , tropical signs of same nomenclature were

adopted.

How on earth Tropical signs could be named based on constellations as they have

no correlation

with them.

No doubt ,day of Equinoxes and Solstices were given importance due to them

,ANCIENT INDIAN SAGES ALWAYS FOLLOWED SIDEREAL SYSTEM.MOST  OF OUR FESTIVALS ARE

BASED

ON LUNAR MONTHS.All panchang-makers prepare panchangs , to meet this

requirement.

Regards, 

 

 G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

 

 

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Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

Friday, 6 February, 2009 7:00:59 PM

[ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Value Of Ayanamsa

 

 

Shri Gopal Goelji,

Namaskar!

< Ayanamsa is angular arc between two points namely initial point of

sidereal Aries(Acvani) and first point of tropical Aries.>

 

The longitudes of two stars of Ashvini group viz. Alpha Arietis and

Beta Arietis from the Vernal Equinox of date are about 38 and 34

degrees respectively As such, longitudes of either of the two stars

should be the real Ayanamsha, as per your own definitions, which

means the Ayanamsha as on date is either 38 or 34 degrees!

To the best of my knowedge, however, no jyotishis is using that much

of ayanamsha--- all are circumnavigating betwen 22 and 25 degrees! Why?

 

<The second quetion arises as to how fix the initial point ofÂ

sidereal Aries. This has to be fixed with help of some fixed star.

The followers of Citrapakchha Ayanamsa recommend that Star Citra

(Spica 16) should act as reference point and its sidereal TRUE

longitude should be assumed as 180 deg on ecliptic.>

 

The Indian Astronomical Ephemeris takes the " intial point " as an

imaginary point that was opposite to Star Chitra on the day of Vernal

Equinox of March 285 AD! In fact, that is actually Lahiri

Ayanamsha! Can you ever imagine something more incongruous and

imaginary than a point which was opposite a particular star about two

thousand years back? It is actullay Lahiri Ayanamsha on the shoulders

of Chitra Star, when the poor Chitra has aboslutely nothing to do

with it!

Actually, late N. C. Lahiri was afraid of losing the sale of his

Vishudha Sidhanta Panjika (Bangla) and Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris if

he had switched over to Revati paksha, as had been advocated by B.G.

Tilak, since that Ayanamsha (Revati) was less by about four degrees

than that of Grahalaghava in 1940 or so. As the general public had

become accustomed to Grahalaghava sankrantis then, they would not

have tolerated a difference of about four days between Grahalghava

Sankrantis and Revati Sankrantis! As such, Lahiri dovetailed his

ayanamsha to Grahalaghava by taking shelter behind so called Chitra-

paksha, which is as absurd as a human being can ever invent something!

The same N. C. Lahiri inveigled himself into Saha Calendar Reform

Committee in 1954 as its Secreatary and thrust down the throat of all

the other members of that committee his own Ayanamsha by " geting it

ratified " from hundreds of phalita jyotishis!

 

Revati star, as the starting point of the zodiac, had a much better

basis than that of Lahiri Ayanamsha, since Revati is at least

a " Fixed Star " and not an imaginary point opposint a Star that is

hudnreds of times larger than the sun!

Revati Ayanamsha, as on date is around 20 degrees and not 24 (Lahiri)

or 204 (actual Chitra longitude).

It must be pointed out that if you select any point as the starting

point of the zodiac, you have to take the mutual distances of planets

etc. from that star on a day to day basis and not keep that " base "

fixed permanently for an indefinite number of years as is being done

in the case of " Chitra " (read Lahiri) Ayanamsha!

I must also put on record that there is no sidereal or tropical

zodiac! Zodiac is just one and it is the constellational belt as per

IAU constellations! It cannot be divided into twelve neat and equal

compartments which may have fancy names like Lahiri Mesha, Vrisha

etc. or Ramana Mesha, Vrisha etc. or Chandra Hari Mesha, Vrisha

etc. or Fagan Mesha, Vrisha etc. or of late Shakuntala Devi Mesha,

Vrisha Rashis etc. and so on! We must not, of course, forget the so

called Sayana Mesha, Vrisha divisions--- the original Chaldean

astrological signs, which Maya the mlechha thrust on Hindus via the

Surya Sidhanta--too are imaginary.

All the ayanamshas are thus baseless and meaningless, and that is

why " Vedic astrologers " claim to be able to make correct predictions

from all of them, since " Vedic astrologers " (including " Sayana

Vedic " , of course!) can make correct predictions only from incorrect

data!

 

The only " blessings " of all these ayanamshas galore have been that we

are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days! And

that is why I keep on repeating, " We do not need enemies to ruin our

dharma since 'Vedic astrologers' are doing that job in a much

more 'satisfactory manner' than any enemy could have done it " .

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

The actual Chitra Ayanamsha, as on date, should thus be 204 degrees,

since that is the actual longitude of that star from the Vernal

Equinox of today!

But it is too much to expect any scientific basis from jyotishis!

All they are interested i

 

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal

Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Patnaik ,

> Ayanamsa is angular arc between two points namely initial point of

sidereal Aries(Acvani)

> and first point of tropical Aries.

> First point of tropical Aries is called V.E.POINT .This is point

of intersection

> of ecliptic and equator of date.Incidently both these planes are

continuously vibrating

> due to gravitational and other forces exerted on earth mainly by

Moon and Sun. Thus

> mean position of equinoxes go on varying slightly. This is

corrected by addition or subtraction

> of Nutation of the day. Thus

>   True position of equinox = Mean position of equinox - /+ value

of nutation of the day 

>    Modern Astronomers calculate Nutation and Aberration based on

new constants and there is a

>  big advancement in this direction. This done based on1979 IAU

THEORY OF NUTATION.

> (You may refer 'INDIAN ASTRONOMICAL EPHEMERIS' which is published

every year by

> IndiaMetrological Department).

>  

> The second quetion arises as to how fix the initial point

of sidereal Aries. This has to be fixed

> with help of some fixed star. The followers of Citrapakchha

Ayanamsa recommend that

> Star Citra (Spica 16) should act as reference point and its

sidereal TRUE longitude should be assumed as 180 deg on ecliptic. The

following aspects are to be shorted out:

> 1. Every star has its proper motion. The longitude of Spica along

the ecliptic has diminished

> by 60 sec during the period 1724 years from  VE DAY falling in

the year 285 A.D

> 2. The latest Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6)indicates Mean

tropical positions of the stars.

>    On the other hand ,the apparent geocentric longitudes and

latitudes are referred to the true

>    equinox and ecliptic of date and corrected for planetary

aberration.

> 3.Obuously , first point of Aries is to be fixed after taking into

account the displacement in star position due to above factors.

>    True position of star = Mean position of star -/+Nutation of

the day =180 deg.

>  

> Needless to say that modern astronomy has already measured these

values , only astrologers

> are required to adopt them properly.

> Precession rate in long. per tropical year=50 " .29, per

sid.year=50 " .26

> Regards

>  

> G.K.GOEL

>  

> G.K.GOEL

>

>

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Dear Mr. Kaul,

I never contradict the views of fellow scholars. You are entitled to hold your views and

I well come the same.

I regard Mr. Lahiri a great personality, and type of comments attributed to him,

by you , are not palatable . It does not go well with your scholarship and dignity.

Mr. Lahiri had never called Ayanamsa adopted in his Ephemeris as citra ayanamsa.

It is you or other scholars called it so.

Initial point of Nakshatra Acivini does not commence from its yoga Tara , but 180 degrees

away from Star citra.

 

There seems to be lot of merit in fixing 27 Nakshatra and there respective yogatatras along the ecliptic and star citra as reference point (Sidereal londitude being 180 deg,). As you are aware 204 deg. log. of this star is tropical and goes on increasing at a rate of about 50.3 sec.

Vedic sages always used planetary movement including V.E.point in the back ground of stars.

 

Each nakshatra has four padas , indicating dharma ,artha, kama and moksha.Aries.Leo

and Sagittarius are of Agni tatwa ( means dharma) as it contains three darma pada and so on.

Once sidereal signs came into use , tropical signs of same nomenclature were adopted.

How on earth Tropical signs could be named based on constellations as they have no correlation

with them.

No doubt ,day of Equinoxes and Solstices were given importance due to them ,ANCIENT INDIAN SAGES ALWAYS FOLLOWED SIDEREAL SYSTEM.MOST OF OUR FESTIVALS ARE BASED

ON LUNAR MONTHS.All panchang-makers prepare panchangs , to meet this requirement.

Regards,

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

 

 

 

Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirvedIndian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest Sent: Friday, 6 February, 2009 7:00:59 PM[ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Value Of Ayanamsa

 

Shri Gopal Goelji,Namaskar!< Ayanamsa is angular arc between two points namely initial point of sidereal Aries(Acvani) and first point of tropical Aries.>The longitudes of two stars of Ashvini group viz. Alpha Arietis and Beta Arietis from the Vernal Equinox of date are about 38 and 34 degrees respectively As such, longitudes of either of the two stars should be the real Ayanamsha, as per your own definitions, which means the Ayanamsha as on date is either 38 or 34 degrees!To the best of my knowedge, however, no jyotishis is using that much of ayanamsha--- all are circumnavigating betwen 22 and 25 degrees! Why?<The second quetion arises as to how fix the initial point of sidereal Aries. This has to be fixed with help of some fixed star. The followers of Citrapakchha Ayanamsa recommend that Star Citra (Spica 16) should act as reference point and its sidereal TRUE longitude

should be assumed as 180 deg on ecliptic.>The Indian Astronomical Ephemeris takes the "intial point" as an imaginary point that was opposite to Star Chitra on the day of Vernal Equinox of March 285 AD! In fact, that is actually Lahiri Ayanamsha! Can you ever imagine something more incongruous and imaginary than a point which was opposite a particular star about two thousand years back? It is actullay Lahiri Ayanamsha on the shoulders of Chitra Star, when the poor Chitra has aboslutely nothing to do with it! Actually, late N. C. Lahiri was afraid of losing the sale of his Vishudha Sidhanta Panjika (Bangla) and Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris if he had switched over to Revati paksha, as had been advocated by B.G. Tilak, since that Ayanamsha (Revati) was less by about four degrees than that of Grahalaghava in 1940 or so. As the general public had become accustomed to Grahalaghava sankrantis then,

they would not have tolerated a difference of about four days between Grahalghava Sankrantis and Revati Sankrantis! As such, Lahiri dovetailed his ayanamsha to Grahalaghava by taking shelter behind so called Chitra-paksha, which is as absurd as a human being can ever invent something!The same N. C. Lahiri inveigled himself into Saha Calendar Reform Committee in 1954 as its Secreatary and thrust down the throat of all the other members of that committee his own Ayanamsha by "geting it ratified" from hundreds of phalita jyotishis!Revati star, as the starting point of the zodiac, had a much better basis than that of Lahiri Ayanamsha, since Revati is at least a "Fixed Star" and not an imaginary point opposint a Star that is hudnreds of times larger than the sun!Revati Ayanamsha, as on date is around 20 degrees and not 24 (Lahiri) or 204 (actual Chitra longitude).It must be pointed out that if

you select any point as the starting point of the zodiac, you have to take the mutual distances of planets etc. from that star on a day to day basis and not keep that "base" fixed permanently for an indefinite number of years as is being done in the case of "Chitra" (read Lahiri) Ayanamsha!I must also put on record that there is no sidereal or tropical zodiac! Zodiac is just one and it is the constellational belt as per IAU constellations! It cannot be divided into twelve neat and equal compartments which may have fancy names like Lahiri Mesha, Vrisha etc. or Ramana Mesha, Vrisha etc. or Chandra Hari Mesha, Vrisha etc. or Fagan Mesha, Vrisha etc. or of late Shakuntala Devi Mesha, Vrisha Rashis etc. and so on! We must not, of course, forget the so called Sayana Mesha, Vrisha divisions--- the original Chaldean astrological signs, which Maya the mlechha thrust on Hindus via the Surya Sidhanta--too are

imaginary. All the ayanamshas are thus baseless and meaningless, and that is why "Vedic astrologers" claim to be able to make correct predictions from all of them, since "Vedic astrologers" (including "Sayana Vedic", of course!) can make correct predictions only from incorrect data!The only "blessings" of all these ayanamshas galore have been that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days! And that is why I keep on repeating, "We do not need enemies to ruin our dharma since 'Vedic astrologers' are doing that job in a much more 'satisfactory manner' than any enemy could have done it".With regards,A K KaulThe actual Chitra Ayanamsha, as on date, should thus be 204 degrees, since that is the actual longitude of that star from the Vernal Equinox of today! But it is too much to expect any scientific basis from jyotishis! All they are interested i--- In

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr. Patnaik ,> Ayanamsa is angular arc between two points namely initial point of sidereal Aries(Acvani)> and first point of tropical Aries.> First point of tropical Aries is called V.E.POINT .This is point of intersection > of ecliptic and equator of date.Incidently both these planes are continuously vibrating > due to gravitational and other forces exerted on earth mainly by Moon and Sun. Thus> mean position of equinoxes go on varying slightly. This is corrected by addition or subtraction > of Nutation of the day. Thus >  True position of equinox = Mean position of

equinox - /+ value of nutation of the day >   Modern Astronomers calculate Nutation and Aberration based on new constants and there is a>  big advancement in this direction. This done based on1979 IAU THEORY OF NUTATION.> (You may refer 'INDIAN ASTRONOMICAL EPHEMERIS' which is published every year by> IndiaMetrological Department).>  > The second quetion arises as to how fix the initial point of sidereal Aries. This has to be fixed > with help of some fixed star. The followers of Citrapakchha Ayanamsa recommend that> Star Citra (Spica 16) should act as reference point and its sidereal TRUE longitude should be assumed as 180 deg on ecliptic. The following aspects are to be shorted out:> 1. Every star has its proper motion. The longitude of Spica along the ecliptic has diminished> by 60 sec during the

period 1724 years from VE DAY falling in the year 285 A.D> 2. The latest Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6)indicates Mean tropical positions of the stars.>   On the other hand ,the apparent geocentric longitudes and latitudes are referred to the true>   equinox and ecliptic of date and corrected for planetary aberration.> 3.Obuously , first point of Aries is to be fixed after taking into account the displacement in star position due to above factors.>   True position of star = Mean position of star -/+Nutation of the day =180 deg.>  > Needless to say that modern astronomy has already measured these values , only astrologers > are required to adopt them properly.> Precession rate in long. per tropical year=50".29, per sid.year=50" .26> Regards>  > G.K.GOEL>

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Dear Mr. Kaul,

I never contradict the  views of  fellow scholars. You are entitled to hold your

views and

I well come the same.

I regard Mr. Lahiri a great personality, and type of comments attributed to him,

by you , are not palatable . It does not go well with your scholarship and

dignity.

Mr. Lahiri had never called Ayanamsa adopted in his Ephemeris as citra ayanamsa.

It is you or other scholars called it so.

 Initial point of Nakshatra Acivini does not commence from its yoga Tara  , but

180  degrees

away from Star citra.

 

There seems to be lot of merit in fixing 27 Nakshatra  and there respective

 yogatatras along the ecliptic and star citra as reference point (Sidereal

londitude being 180 deg,). As you are aware 204 deg. log. of this star  is

tropical and goes on increasing at a rate of about 50.3 sec.

Vedic sages always used planetary movement including V.E.point in the back

ground of stars.

 

Each nakshatra has four padas , indicating dharma ,artha, kama and moksha.Aries.

Leo

and Sagittarius are of Agni tatwa ( means dharma) as it contains three darma

pada and so on.

Once sidereal signs came into use , tropical signs of same nomenclature were

adopted.

How on earth Tropical signs could be named based on constellations as they have

no correlation

with them.

No doubt ,day of Equinoxes and Solstices were given importance due to them

,ANCIENT INDIAN SAGES ALWAYS FOLLOWED SIDEREAL SYSTEM.MOST  OF OUR FESTIVALS ARE

BASED

ON LUNAR MONTHS.All panchang-makers prepare panchangs , to meet this

requirement.

Regards, 

 

 G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

Friday, 6 February, 2009 7:00:59 PM

[ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Value Of Ayanamsa

 

Shri Gopal Goelji,

Namaskar!

< Ayanamsa is angular arc between two points namely initial point of

sidereal Aries(Acvani) and first point of tropical Aries.>

 

The longitudes of two stars of Ashvini group viz. Alpha Arietis and

Beta Arietis from the Vernal Equinox of date are about 38 and 34

degrees respectively As such, longitudes of either of the two stars

should be the real Ayanamsha, as per your own definitions, which

means the Ayanamsha as on date is either 38 or 34 degrees!

To the best of my knowedge, however, no jyotishis is using that much

of ayanamsha--- all are circumnavigating betwen 22 and 25 degrees! Why?

 

<The second quetion arises as to how fix the initial point ofÂ

sidereal Aries. This has to be fixed with help of some fixed star.

The followers of Citrapakchha Ayanamsa recommend that Star Citra

(Spica 16) should act as reference point and its sidereal TRUE

longitude should be assumed as 180 deg on ecliptic.>

 

The Indian Astronomical Ephemeris takes the " intial point " as an

imaginary point that was opposite to Star Chitra on the day of Vernal

Equinox of March 285 AD! In fact, that is actually Lahiri

Ayanamsha! Can you ever imagine something more incongruous and

imaginary than a point which was opposite a particular star about two

thousand years back? It is actullay Lahiri Ayanamsha on the shoulders

of Chitra Star, when the poor Chitra has aboslutely nothing to do

with it!

Actually, late N. C. Lahiri was afraid of losing the sale of his

Vishudha Sidhanta Panjika (Bangla) and Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris if

he had switched over to Revati paksha, as had been advocated by B.G.

Tilak, since that Ayanamsha (Revati) was less by about four degrees

than that of Grahalaghava in 1940 or so. As the general public had

become accustomed to Grahalaghava sankrantis then, they would not

have tolerated a difference of about four days between Grahalghava

Sankrantis and Revati Sankrantis! As such, Lahiri dovetailed his

ayanamsha to Grahalaghava by taking shelter behind so called Chitra-

paksha, which is as absurd as a human being can ever invent something!

The same N. C. Lahiri inveigled himself into Saha Calendar Reform

Committee in 1954 as its Secreatary and thrust down the throat of all

the other members of that committee his own Ayanamsha by " geting it

ratified " from hundreds of phalita jyotishis!

 

Revati star, as the starting point of the zodiac, had a much better

basis than that of Lahiri Ayanamsha, since Revati is at least

a " Fixed Star " and not an imaginary point opposint a Star that is

hudnreds of times larger than the sun!

Revati Ayanamsha, as on date is around 20 degrees and not 24 (Lahiri)

or 204 (actual Chitra longitude).

It must be pointed out that if you select any point as the starting

point of the zodiac, you have to take the mutual distances of planets

etc. from that star on a day to day basis and not keep that " base "

fixed permanently for an indefinite number of years as is being done

in the case of " Chitra " (read Lahiri) Ayanamsha!

I must also put on record that there is no sidereal or tropical

zodiac! Zodiac is just one and it is the constellational belt as per

IAU constellations! It cannot be divided into twelve neat and equal

compartments which may have fancy names like Lahiri Mesha, Vrisha

etc. or Ramana Mesha, Vrisha etc. or Chandra Hari Mesha, Vrisha

etc. or Fagan Mesha, Vrisha etc. or of late Shakuntala Devi Mesha,

Vrisha Rashis etc. and so on! We must not, of course, forget the so

called Sayana Mesha, Vrisha divisions--- the original Chaldean

astrological signs, which Maya the mlechha thrust on Hindus via the

Surya Sidhanta--too are imaginary.

All the ayanamshas are thus baseless and meaningless, and that is

why " Vedic astrologers " claim to be able to make correct predictions

from all of them, since " Vedic astrologers " (including " Sayana

Vedic " , of course!) can make correct predictions only from incorrect

data!

 

The only " blessings " of all these ayanamshas galore have been that we

are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days! And

that is why I keep on repeating, " We do not need enemies to ruin our

dharma since 'Vedic astrologers' are doing that job in a much

more 'satisfactory manner' than any enemy could have done it " .

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

The actual Chitra Ayanamsha, as on date, should thus be 204 degrees,

since that is the actual longitude of that star from the Vernal

Equinox of today!

But it is too much to expect any scientific basis from jyotishis!

All they are interested i

 

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal

Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Patnaik ,

> Ayanamsa is angular arc between two points namely initial point of

sidereal Aries(Acvani)

> and first point of tropical Aries.

> First point of tropical Aries is called V.E.POINT .This is point

of intersection

> of ecliptic and equator of date.Incidently both these planes are

continuously vibrating

> due to gravitational and other forces exerted on earth mainly by

Moon and Sun. Thus

> mean position of equinoxes go on varying slightly. This is

corrected by addition or subtraction

> of Nutation of the day. Thus

>   True position of equinox = Mean position of equinox - /+ value

of nutation of the day 

>    Modern Astronomers calculate Nutation and Aberration based on

new constants and there is a

>  big advancement in this direction. This done based on1979 IAU

THEORY OF NUTATION.

> (You may refer 'INDIAN ASTRONOMICAL EPHEMERIS' which is published

every year by

> IndiaMetrological Department).

>  

> The second quetion arises as to how fix the initial point

of sidereal Aries. This has to be fixed

> with help of some fixed star. The followers of Citrapakchha

Ayanamsa recommend that

> Star Citra (Spica 16) should act as reference point and its

sidereal TRUE longitude should be assumed as 180 deg on ecliptic. The

following aspects are to be shorted out:

> 1. Every star has its proper motion. The longitude of Spica along

the ecliptic has diminished

> by 60 sec during the period 1724 years from  VE DAY falling in

the year 285 A.D

> 2. The latest Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6)indicates Mean

tropical positions of the stars.

>    On the other hand ,the apparent geocentric longitudes and

latitudes are referred to the true

>    equinox and ecliptic of date and corrected for planetary

aberration.

> 3.Obuously , first point of Aries is to be fixed after taking into

account the displacement in star position due to above factors.

>    True position of star = Mean position of star -/+Nutation of

the day =180 deg.

>  

> Needless to say that modern astronomy has already measured these

values , only astrologers

> are required to adopt them properly.

> Precession rate in long. per tropical year=50 " .29, per

sid.year=50 " .26

> Regards

>  

> G.K.GOEL

>  

> G.K.GOEL

>

>

> Get your own website and domain for just Rs.1,999/year. * Go

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Dear Prasant ji,

Answer of 1st question:

Our Samvatsar calender is no doubt is Luni-solar based on sidereal zodiac

The adjustment is automatically done generally every third year but according to

some rules.

But almost all festivals are decided on the basis of lunar tithis. This is the

reason that our festivals move forward and back ward on solar calendars - may be

Shaka Solar sidereal calendar which starts on ingress of Sun in sidereal Aries

or our civil Gregorian Tropical calender , which starts on a arbitrarily fixed

date on Jan1,

or our Rastirya Tropical calender which starts on V.E.DAY every year IE ingress

of Sun in Tropical Aries.

 

Answer of 2nd question:

Sidereal signs were named and carved based on nine Nakshatra padas. With a view

to keep similarly,

First tropical sign was also named ARIES. Even modern astronomers call the

V.E.POINT AS THE

" FIRST POINT OF ARIES " based on this historical background.

 

All types of calenders are already available and known to astrologers , but it

for Dharm gurus , mullas,

mahants , priests and other such person under whose authority and diktat ,

various groups of people

celebrate their festivals and perform their rituals all over the world.

Astrologers and Astronomers can only indicate calendar dates according to

beliefs of a particular group or sect.

 

There is no problem to devise a Luni - solar Samvatsar calender based on

Tropical zodiac , but in this case

we will loose track with Nakshatras.Govt. of India tried to to it , but failed

miserably.You adopt any method ,it

will have it merits and demerits.The best course is that , we follow tropical

calender for our civil needs and

respective calenders according to the beliefs of particular sects.This is what

is being done presently all

over world.Why there should be any regret on this issue, we act according to our

beliefs , and let others

live according their own beliefs..

 

Regards,

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Pandey <praspandey

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

Monday, 23 March, 2009 6:35:19 AM

[ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Value Of Ayanamsa

 

 

Dear Shri Goelji,

 

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>

No doubt, day of Equinoxes and Solstices were given importance due to them,

ANCIENT INDIAN SAGES ALWAYS FOLLOWED SIDEREAL SYSTEM.MOST? OF OUR FESTIVALS ARE

BASED ON LUNAR MONTHS.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>

 

Could you please let me know what are those festivals which are lunar festivals

instead of Luni-Solar.

 

I heard that our Muslim Brethrens use Lunar calendar( So their festivals occur

11 days before to the date of last years date of festivals(we all use now

Gregorain calendar) ) if we adopt but i am hearing very first time from you

that Hindus also use Lunar calendar.

 

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

How on earth Tropical signs could be named based on constellations as they have

no correlation with them.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >

 

Sir then how the names of Tropical signs similar to constellations name. If

not?? Then what they represents??

 

Regs,

Prashant Pandey

 

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Kaul,

> I never contradict the ?views of? fellow scholars. You are entitled to hold

your views and

> I well come the same.

> I regard Mr. Lahiri a great personality, and type of comments attributed to

him,

> by you , are not palatable . It does not go well with your scholarship and

dignity.

> Mr. Lahiri had never called Ayanamsa adopted in his Ephemeris as citra

ayanamsa.

> It is you or?other scholars called it so.

> ?Initial point of Nakshatra Acivini does not commence from its yoga Tara? ,

but 180? degrees

> away from Star citra.

>

> There seems to be lot of merit in fixing 27 Nakshatra? and there respective

?yogatatras along the ecliptic and star citra as reference point (Sidereal

londitude being 180 deg,). As you are aware 204 deg. log. of this star ?is

tropical and goes on increasing at a rate of about?50.3 sec.

> Vedic sages always used planetary movement including V.E.point in the back

ground of stars.

>

> Each nakshatra has four padas , indicating dharma ,artha, kama and

moksha.Aries. Leo

> and Sagittarius are of Agni tatwa ( means dharma) as it contains three darma

pada and so on.

> Once sidereal signs came into use , tropical signs of same nomenclature were

adopted.

> How on earth Tropical signs could be named based on constellations as they

have no correlation

> with them.

> No doubt ,day of Equinoxes and Solstices were given importance due to them

,ANCIENT INDIAN SAGES ALWAYS FOLLOWED SIDEREAL SYSTEM.MOST? OF OUR FESTIVALS ARE

BASED

> ON LUNAR MONTHS.All panchang-makers prepare panchangs , to meet this

requirement.

> Regards,?

>

> ?G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@. ..>

> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> Friday, 6 February, 2009 7:00:59 PM

> [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Value Of Ayanamsa

>

>

> Shri Gopal Goelji,

> Namaskar!

> < Ayanamsa is angular arc between two points namely initial point of

> sidereal Aries(Acvani) and first point of tropical Aries.>

>

> The longitudes of two stars of Ashvini group viz. Alpha Arietis and

> Beta Arietis from the Vernal Equinox of date are about 38 and 34

> degrees respectively As such, longitudes of either of the two stars

> should be the real Ayanamsha, as per your own definitions, which

> means the Ayanamsha as on date is either 38 or 34 degrees!

> To the best of my knowedge, however, no jyotishis is using that much

> of ayanamsha--- all are circumnavigating betwen 22 and 25 degrees! Why?

>

> <The second quetion arises as to how fix the initial point ofÂ

> sidereal Aries. This has to be fixed with help of some fixed star.

> The followers of Citrapakchha Ayanamsa recommend that Star Citra

> (Spica 16) should act as reference point and its sidereal TRUE

> longitude should be assumed as 180 deg on ecliptic.>

>

> The Indian Astronomical Ephemeris takes the " intial point " as an

> imaginary point that was opposite to Star Chitra on the day of Vernal

> Equinox of March 285 AD! In fact, that is actually Lahiri

> Ayanamsha! Can you ever imagine something more incongruous and

> imaginary than a point which was opposite a particular star about two

> thousand years back? It is actullay Lahiri Ayanamsha on the shoulders

> of Chitra Star, when the poor Chitra has aboslutely nothing to do

> with it!

> Actually, late N. C. Lahiri was afraid of losing the sale of his

> Vishudha Sidhanta Panjika (Bangla) and Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris if

> he had switched over to Revati paksha, as had been advocated by B.G.

> Tilak, since that Ayanamsha (Revati) was less by about four degrees

> than that of Grahalaghava in 1940 or so. As the general public had

> become accustomed to Grahalaghava sankrantis then, they would not

> have tolerated a difference of about four days between Grahalghava

> Sankrantis and Revati Sankrantis! As such, Lahiri dovetailed his

> ayanamsha to Grahalaghava by taking shelter behind so called Chitra-

> paksha, which is as absurd as a human being can ever invent something!

> The same N. C. Lahiri inveigled himself into Saha Calendar Reform

> Committee in 1954 as its Secreatary and thrust down the throat of all

> the other members of that committee his own Ayanamsha by " geting it

> ratified " from hundreds of phalita jyotishis!

>

> Revati star, as the starting point of the zodiac, had a much better

> basis than that of Lahiri Ayanamsha, since Revati is at least

> a " Fixed Star " and not an imaginary point opposint a Star that is

> hudnreds of times larger than the sun!

> Revati Ayanamsha, as on date is around 20 degrees and not 24 (Lahiri)

> or 204 (actual Chitra longitude).

> It must be pointed out that if you select any point as the starting

> point of the zodiac, you have to take the mutual distances of planets

> etc. from that star on a day to day basis and not keep that " base "

> fixed permanently for an indefinite number of years as is being done

> in the case of " Chitra " (read Lahiri) Ayanamsha!

> I must also put on record that there is no sidereal or tropical

> zodiac! Zodiac is just one and it is the constellational belt as per

> IAU constellations! It cannot be divided into twelve neat and equal

> compartments which may have fancy names like Lahiri Mesha, Vrisha

> etc. or Ramana Mesha, Vrisha etc. or Chandra Hari Mesha, Vrisha

> etc. or Fagan Mesha, Vrisha etc. or of late Shakuntala Devi Mesha,

> Vrisha Rashis etc. and so on! We must not, of course, forget the so

> called Sayana Mesha, Vrisha divisions--- the original Chaldean

> astrological signs, which Maya the mlechha thrust on Hindus via the

> Surya Sidhanta--too are imaginary.

> All the ayanamshas are thus baseless and meaningless, and that is

> why " Vedic astrologers " claim to be able to make correct predictions

> from all of them, since " Vedic astrologers " (including " Sayana

> Vedic " , of course!) can make correct predictions only from incorrect

> data!

>

> The only " blessings " of all these ayanamshas galore have been that we

> are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days! And

> that is why I keep on repeating, " We do not need enemies to ruin our

> dharma since 'Vedic astrologers' are doing that job in a much

> more 'satisfactory manner' than any enemy could have done it " .

> With regards,

> A K Kaul

>

> The actual Chitra Ayanamsha, as on date, should thus be 204 degrees,

> since that is the actual longitude of that star from the Vernal

> Equinox of today!

> But it is too much to expect any scientific basis from jyotishis!

> All they are interested i

>

> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal

> Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Patnaik ,

> > Ayanamsa is angular arc between two points namely initial point of

> sidereal Aries(Acvani)

> > and first point of tropical Aries.

> > First point of tropical Aries is called V.E.POINT .This is point

> of intersection

> > of ecliptic and equator of date.Incidently both these planes are

> continuously vibrating

> > due to gravitational and other forces exerted on earth mainly by

> Moon and Sun. Thus

> > mean position of equinoxes go on varying slightly. This is

> corrected by addition or subtraction

> > of Nutation of the day. Thus

> >  True position of equinox = Mean position of equinox - /+ value

> of nutation of the dayÂ

> > Â Â Modern Astronomers calculate Nutation and Aberration based on

> new constants and there is a

> > Â big advancement in this direction. This done based on1979 IAU

> THEORY OF NUTATION.

> > (You may refer 'INDIAN ASTRONOMICAL EPHEMERIS' which is published

> every year by

> > IndiaMetrological Department).

> > Â

> > The second quetion arises as to how fix the initial point

> of sidereal Aries. This has to be fixed

> > with help of some fixed star. The followers of Citrapakchha

> Ayanamsa recommend that

> > Star Citra (Spica 16) should act as reference point and its

> sidereal TRUE longitude should be assumed as 180 deg on ecliptic. The

> following aspects are to be shorted out:

> > 1. Every star has its proper motion. The longitude of Spica along

> the ecliptic has diminished

> > by 60 sec during the period 1724 years from VE DAY falling in

> the year 285 A.D

> > 2. The latest Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6)indicates Mean

> tropical positions of the stars.

> > Â Â On the other hand ,the apparent geocentric longitudes and

> latitudes are referred to the true

> > Â Â equinox and ecliptic of date and corrected for planetary

> aberration.

> > 3.Obuously , first point of Aries is to be fixed after taking into

> account the displacement in star position due to above factors.

> > Â Â True position of star = Mean position of star -/+Nutation of

> the day =180 deg.

> > Â

> > Needless to say that modern astronomy has already measured these

> values , only astrologers

> > are required to adopt them properly.

> > Precession rate in long. per tropical year=50 " .29, per

> sid.year=50 " .26

> > Regards

> > Â

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Â

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> >

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Dear Prasant ji,Answer of 1st question:Our Samvatsar calender is no doubt is Luni-solar based on sidereal zodiacThe adjustment is automatically done generally every third year but according to some rules.But almost all festivals are decided on the basis of lunar tithis. This is the reason that our festivals move forward and back ward on solar calendars - may be Shaka Solar sidereal calendar which starts on ingress of Sun in sidereal Aries or our civil Gregorian Tropical calender , which starts on a arbitrarily fixed date on Jan1,or our Rastirya Tropical calender which starts on V.E.DAY every year IE ingress of Sun in Tropical Aries.Answer of 2nd question:Sidereal signs were named and carved based on nine Nakshatra padas. With a view to keep similarly,First tropical

sign was also named ARIES. Even modern astronomers call the V.E.POINT AS THE" FIRST POINT OF ARIES" based on this historical background.All types of calenders are already available and known to astrologers , but it for Dharm gurus , mullas,mahants , priests and other such person under whose authority and diktat , various groups of peoplecelebrate their festivals and perform their rituals all over the world.Astrologers and Astronomers can only indicate calendar dates according to beliefs of a particular group or sect.There is no problem to devise a Luni - solar Samvatsar calender based on Tropical zodiac , but in this case we will loose track with Nakshatras.Govt. of India tried to to it , but failed miserably.You adopt any method ,itwill have it merits and demerits.The best course is that , we follow tropical calender for our civil

needs andrespective calenders according to the beliefs of particular sects.This is what is being done presently allover world.Why there should be any regret on this issue, we act according to our beliefs , and let otherslive according their own beliefs..Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAPrashant Pandey <praspandeyIndian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest Sent: Monday,

23 March, 2009 6:35:19 AM[ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Value Of Ayanamsa Dear Shri Goelji, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> No doubt, day of Equinoxes and Solstices were given importance due to them, ANCIENT INDIAN SAGES ALWAYS FOLLOWED SIDEREAL SYSTEM.MOST? OF OUR FESTIVALS ARE BASED ON LUNAR MONTHS. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Could you please let me know what are those festivals which are lunar festivals instead of Luni-Solar. I heard that our Muslim Brethrens use Lunar calendar( So their festivals occur 11 days before to the

date of last years date of festivals(we all use now Gregorain calendar) ) if we adopt but i am hearing very first time from you that Hindus also use Lunar calendar. >>>>>>>>>>>> > How on earth Tropical signs could be named based on constellations as they have no correlation with them. >>>>>>>>>>>> > Sir then how the names of Tropical signs similar to constellations name. If not?? Then what they represents?? Regs, Prashant Pandey Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Mr. Kaul, > I never contradict the ?views of? fellow scholars. You are entitled to hold your

views and > I well come the same. > I regard Mr. Lahiri a great personality, and type of comments attributed to him, > by you , are not palatable . It does not go well with your scholarship and dignity. > Mr. Lahiri had never called Ayanamsa adopted in his Ephemeris as citra ayanamsa. > It is you or?other scholars called it so. > ?Initial point of Nakshatra Acivini does not commence from its yoga Tara? , but 180? degrees > away from Star citra. > > There seems to be lot of merit in fixing 27 Nakshatra? and there respective ?yogatatras along the ecliptic and star citra as reference point (Sidereal londitude being 180 deg,). As you are aware 204 deg. log. of this star ?is tropical and goes on increasing at a rate of about?50.3 sec. > Vedic sages always used planetary movement including V.E.point in the back ground of stars. > > Each nakshatra has four padas , indicating

dharma ,artha, kama and moksha.Aries. Leo > and Sagittarius are of Agni tatwa ( means dharma) as it contains three darma pada and so on. > Once sidereal signs came into use , tropical signs of same nomenclature were adopted. > How on earth Tropical signs could be named based on constellations as they have no correlation > with them. > No doubt ,day of Equinoxes and Solstices were given importance due to them ,ANCIENT INDIAN SAGES ALWAYS FOLLOWED SIDEREAL SYSTEM.MOST? OF OUR FESTIVALS ARE BASED > ON LUNAR MONTHS.All panchang-makers prepare panchangs , to meet this requirement. > Regards,? > > ?G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@. ..> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com > Friday, 6 February, 2009 7:00:59 PM > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Value Of Ayanamsa > > > Shri Gopal Goelji, > Namaskar! > < Ayanamsa is angular arc between two points namely initial point of > sidereal Aries(Acvani) and first point of tropical Aries.> > > The longitudes of two stars of Ashvini group viz. Alpha Arietis and > Beta Arietis from the Vernal Equinox of date are about 38 and 34 > degrees respectively As such, longitudes of either of the two stars > should be the real Ayanamsha, as per your own definitions, which > means the Ayanamsha as on date is either 38 or 34 degrees! > To the best of my

knowedge, however, no jyotishis is using that much > of ayanamsha--- all are circumnavigating betwen 22 and 25 degrees! Why? > > <The second quetion arises as to how fix the initial point of > sidereal Aries. This has to be fixed with help of some fixed star. > The followers of Citrapakchha Ayanamsa recommend that Star Citra > (Spica 16) should act as reference point and its sidereal TRUE > longitude should be assumed as 180 deg on ecliptic.> > > The Indian Astronomical Ephemeris takes the "intial point" as an > imaginary point that was opposite to Star Chitra on the day of Vernal > Equinox of March 285 AD! In fact, that is actually Lahiri > Ayanamsha! Can you ever imagine something more incongruous and > imaginary than a point which was opposite a particular star about two > thousand years back? It is actullay Lahiri Ayanamsha on

the shoulders > of Chitra Star, when the poor Chitra has aboslutely nothing to do > with it! > Actually, late N. C. Lahiri was afraid of losing the sale of his > Vishudha Sidhanta Panjika (Bangla) and Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris if > he had switched over to Revati paksha, as had been advocated by B.G. > Tilak, since that Ayanamsha (Revati) was less by about four degrees > than that of Grahalaghava in 1940 or so. As the general public had > become accustomed to Grahalaghava sankrantis then, they would not > have tolerated a difference of about four days between Grahalghava > Sankrantis and Revati Sankrantis! As such, Lahiri dovetailed his > ayanamsha to Grahalaghava by taking shelter behind so called Chitra- > paksha, which is as absurd as a human being can ever invent something! > The same N. C. Lahiri inveigled himself into Saha Calendar Reform >

Committee in 1954 as its Secreatary and thrust down the throat of all > the other members of that committee his own Ayanamsha by "geting it > ratified" from hundreds of phalita jyotishis! > > Revati star, as the starting point of the zodiac, had a much better > basis than that of Lahiri Ayanamsha, since Revati is at least > a "Fixed Star" and not an imaginary point opposint a Star that is > hudnreds of times larger than the sun! > Revati Ayanamsha, as on date is around 20 degrees and not 24 (Lahiri) > or 204 (actual Chitra longitude). > It must be pointed out that if you select any point as the starting > point of the zodiac, you have to take the mutual distances of planets > etc. from that star on a day to day basis and not keep that "base" > fixed permanently for an indefinite number of years as is being done > in the case of "Chitra" (read

Lahiri) Ayanamsha! > I must also put on record that there is no sidereal or tropical > zodiac! Zodiac is just one and it is the constellational belt as per > IAU constellations! It cannot be divided into twelve neat and equal > compartments which may have fancy names like Lahiri Mesha, Vrisha > etc. or Ramana Mesha, Vrisha etc. or Chandra Hari Mesha, Vrisha > etc. or Fagan Mesha, Vrisha etc. or of late Shakuntala Devi Mesha, > Vrisha Rashis etc. and so on! We must not, of course, forget the so > called Sayana Mesha, Vrisha divisions--- the original Chaldean > astrological signs, which Maya the mlechha thrust on Hindus via the > Surya Sidhanta--too are imaginary. > All the ayanamshas are thus baseless and meaningless, and that is > why "Vedic astrologers" claim to be able to make correct predictions > from all of them, since "Vedic astrologers"

(including "Sayana > Vedic", of course!) can make correct predictions only from incorrect > data! > > The only "blessings" of all these ayanamshas galore have been that we > are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days! And > that is why I keep on repeating, "We do not need enemies to ruin our > dharma since 'Vedic astrologers' are doing that job in a much > more 'satisfactory manner' than any enemy could have done it". > With regards, > A K Kaul > > The actual Chitra Ayanamsha, as on date, should thus be 204 degrees, > since that is the actual longitude of that star from the Vernal > Equinox of today! > But it is too much to expect any scientific basis from jyotishis! > All they are interested i > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal > Goel <gkgoel1937@

....> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Patnaik , > > Ayanamsa is angular arc between two points namely initial point of > sidereal Aries(Acvani) > > and first point of tropical Aries. > > First point of tropical Aries is called V.E.POINT .This is point > of intersection > > of ecliptic and equator of date.Incidently both these planes are > continuously vibrating > > due to gravitational and other forces exerted on earth mainly by > Moon and Sun. Thus > > mean position of equinoxes go on varying slightly. This is > corrected by addition or subtraction > > of Nutation of the day. Thus > >  True position of equinox = Mean position of equinox - /+ value > of nutation of the day > >   Modern Astronomers calculate Nutation and Aberration based on > new

constants and there is a > >  big advancement in this direction. This done based on1979 IAU > THEORY OF NUTATION. > > (You may refer 'INDIAN ASTRONOMICAL EPHEMERIS' which is published > every year by > > IndiaMetrological Department). > >  > > The second quetion arises as to how fix the initial point > of sidereal Aries. This has to be fixed > > with help of some fixed star. The followers of Citrapakchha > Ayanamsa recommend that > > Star Citra (Spica 16) should act as reference point and its > sidereal TRUE longitude should be assumed as 180 deg on ecliptic. The > following aspects are to be shorted out: > > 1. Every star has its proper motion. The longitude of Spica along > the ecliptic has diminished > > by 60 sec during the period 1724 years from VE DAY falling in

> the year 285 A.D > > 2. The latest Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6)indicates Mean > tropical positions of the stars. > > Â Â On the other hand ,the apparent geocentric longitudes and > latitudes are referred to the true > > Â Â equinox and ecliptic of date and corrected for planetary > aberration. > > 3.Obuously , first point of Aries is to be fixed after taking into > account the displacement in star position due to above factors. > > Â Â True position of star = Mean position of star -/+Nutation of > the day =180 deg. > > Â > > Needless to say that modern astronomy has already measured these > values , only astrologers > > are required to adopt them properly. > > Precession rate in long. per tropical year=50".29, per > sid.year=50" .26 > >

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