Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Goel Ji, I never said a word against you. Even after being declared off the mark, I kept quiet. Is it a sign of fighting ? You have highlighted " always in fighting mood " to point out this defect in my character, instead of answering my points on AV (ashtaka-varga). Who is hypersensitive ? I had expected a better response from you. If you do not want to point at defects in my ideas on AV, there is no need to point at defects in my temperament. There is no need to change opinions, I am not an evangelist. You may keep your opinions. I merely wanted to know your opinions, because I (still) regard you a very experienced astrologers, that is all. Thanks ! -VJ ============ ============ ________________________________ Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 astrologyandremedies ; Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; prince <A_Foresight_Prince_of_India_Available >; sohamsa <sohamsa >; vedic astrology Monday, April 27, 2009 6:18:31 PM [vedic astrology] Fw: AV G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ----- Forwarded Message ---- Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Monday, 27 April, 2009 6:16:49 PM Re: AV Dear Jha ji, There is no occosion to mention that I consider you off the mark. You raised a quarry on internet and I replied according to my understanding. I do not think that I need to change my views on this issue as yet. You are wellcome to draw your own infrences , moreover I have not said that you are wrong. Why are you always in fighting mood or mode? Mr C.S Patel also of this thinking , I do not find him wrong. Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sunday, 26 April, 2009 10:21:14 PM Re: AV Goel Ji, According to BPHS chapter on Aahtakavarga (verses 63-70), Lagna-ashtaka- varga (LAV) gives " dots and lines (ie,happiness and sorrows) " andnot merely longevity. BPHS nowhere says AV excludes LAV in SAV. On the contrary, first verse in chapter-72 says ( " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " ) " sarva-ashtaka- phalam nyaset " , ie " add the phala of ALL ashtakas " . These two citations from BPHS are enough to dispel doubts about the use of LAV resulting from its absence in chapter 70 in which seven ashtaka-vargas are illustrated in details while the outcome of Lagna-ashtaka- varga is not illustrated separately. It is because seven planets have special effects depending upon their position vis-a-vis Lagna. Verses 63-70 make it clear that position of current Lagna and planets wrt birth Lagna gives " dots and lines (ie,happiness and sorrows) " which changes at every two hours approximately and makes it difficult to use LAV in actual practice manually (without computers). Initial verse of chapter removes all doubts, where " all " BAVs are ordered to be used in SAV. But it is wrong to assume that LAV has no outcome at all, because verses 63-70 clearly say LAV has outcome for the native. It clearly infers that if current lagna is in so many houses from the birth lagna, so and so will be the results. It is evident from your reply that you regard me " off the mark " not only in Ganita but also in Phalita. I had mentioned ( " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " ) which you perhaps did not see. I cannot accept modern wisdom against rishi-vaakya. There are some other " off-the mark " institutions who regard my works as " on the mark " : http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Credentials http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc http://jyotirvidya. .wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay_Jha Regards. -VJ ============ ========= = ============ ========= == ____________ _________ _________ __ Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:28:32 PM Re: AV Dear Jhaa ji, You have raised the interesting quarries on Astakvarga system. Name Ashakvarga is derived from the fact that as every planet gives auspicious and inauspicious results taking either Ascending or Moon sign, similarly ,it should be assessed from reaming six planets leaving aside Lunar Nodes.As such we get eight points - Lagna and 'Sun to Saturn ' with reference to which, the transit results are accessed.As such their are seven charts and each house of these seven charts can get total 8 points consisting of sum of dots (bad ) and Rekhas (good). Kindly refer shloka 10 and 11 of 1st chapter on Astakvarga of BPHS.' Astakvarga decided on one hand 'the happiness and sorrows' and on other hand 'the longevity -Aysha' The Lagna Varga is constructed to ascertain longevity. This is the reason Bphs has given 7 charts of dots of seven planets and then 7 chars of rekhas of seven planets to ascertain happiness and sorrows.Thereafter Parasara gives dual chart pf bindus and rekhas for Lagna seperately to ascertain longevity. In the last Chapter on Astakvarga , Parasara shows the use of Lagna astakvarga chart to ascertain Ayuradaya- If one cycle is complete then another cycle will commence ,The death is predicted by Marka principles. If seven charts are used , total number of good Rekhas will work out 337 and to this Lagna chart is added the total good rekhas work out 386. Their is some difference in Bphs and Brihat Jatak vis a vis Jatak Parijat,JH HORA gives all options to choose. BPHS IS A MONUMENTAL DOCUMENT AND HAD EVEN LAID THE FOUNDATION OF NADI SHASHTRA- PARTICULARLY DHRUV AND CHANDRA KALA NADI.SOME SAVANTS FEEL THIS IS AN ORDINARY DOCUMENT ...NO ONE CAN FULLY COMPREHEND IT IN ONE LIFE TIME. Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ____________ _________ _________ __ vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in Friday, 24 April, 2009 7:00:21 PM AV To Goel Ji, I sent following private message to some fora members : <<<I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.. Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas. Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?>>> ------------ ------ ------------ ------ I got following reply from Ash : <<<Dear Vinay ji, JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga. After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total. When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8. I think, you are getting confused in the calculation. So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8. Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro/. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca>>> ------------ ------ ------------ ------ My answer was : <<<I am amused to learn that I am " getting confused in the calculation " of SAV. BPHS clearly says : " सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ " , ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV. What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead of poking fun at my " confusion in calculation " . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ?? I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.>> > -VJ ============ ====== ============ ===== ____________ _________ _________ __ Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! ____________ _________ _________ __ Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition http://downloads. / in/firefox/ ?fr=om_email_ firefox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Goel Ji,I never said a word against you. Even after being declared off the mark, I kept quiet. Is it a sign of fighting ? You have highlighted "always in fighting mood" to point out this defect in my character, instead of answering my points on AV (ashtaka-varga). Who is hypersensitive ? I had expected a better response from you. If you do not want to point at defects in my ideas on AV, there is no need to point at defects in my temperament. There is no need to change opinions, I am not an evangelist. You may keep your opinions. I merely wanted to know your opinions, because I (still) regard you a very experienced astrologers, that is all. Thanks !-VJ============ ============Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937astrologyandremedies ; Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest ; prince <A_Foresight_Prince_of_India_Available >; sohamsa <sohamsa >; vedic astrology Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:18:31 PM Fw: AV G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA ----- Forwarded Message ----Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >Monday, 27 April, 2009 6:16:49 PMRe: AV Dear Jha ji, There is no occosion to mention that I consider you off the mark. You raised a quarry on internet and I replied according to my understanding. I do not think that I need to change my views on this issue as yet. You are wellcome to draw your own infrences , moreover I have not said that you are wrong. Why are you always in fighting mood or mode? Mr C.S Patel also of this thinking , I do not find him wrong. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co..in>Sunday, 26 April, 2009 10:21:14 PMRe: AV Goel Ji,According to BPHS chapter on Aahtakavarga (verses 63-70), Lagna-ashtaka- varga (LAV) gives "dots and lines (ie,happiness and sorrows)" and not merely longevity. BPHS nowhere says AV excludes LAV in SAV. On the contrary, first verse in chapter-72 says ("सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ ") "sarva-ashtaka- phalam nyaset", ie "add the phala of ALL ashtakas". These two citations from BPHS are enough to dispel doubts about the use of LAV resulting from its absence in chapter 70 in which seven ashtaka-vargas are illustrated in details while the outcome of Lagna-ashtaka- varga is not illustrated separately. It is because seven planets have special effects depending upon their position vis-a-vis Lagna.. Verses 63-70 make it clear that position of current Lagna and planets wrt birth Lagna gives "dots and lines (ie,happiness and sorrows)" which changes at every two hours approximately and makes it difficult to use LAV in actual practice manually (without computers). Initial verse of chapter removes all doubts, where "all" BAVs are ordered to be used in SAV. But it is wrong to assume that LAV has no outcome at all, because verses 63-70 clearly say LAV has outcome for the native. It clearly infers that if current lagna is in so many houses from the birth lagna, so and so will be the results.It is evident from your reply that you regard me "off the mark" not only in Ganita but also in Phalita. I had mentioned ("सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ ") which you perhaps did not see. I cannot accept modern wisdom against rishi-vaakya. There are some other "off-the mark" institutions who regard my works as "on the mark" :http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Credentialshttp://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_ %26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISchttp://jyotirvidya. .wetpaint. com/page/ Vinay_JhaRegards.-VJ============ ========= = ============ ========= == Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in>vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:28:32 PMRe: AV Dear Jhaa ji, You have raised the interesting quarries on Astakvarga system. Name Ashakvarga is derived from the fact that as every planet gives auspicious and inauspicious results taking either Ascending or Moon sign, similarly ,it should be assessed from reaming six planets leaving aside Lunar Nodes.As such we get eight points - Lagna and 'Sun to Saturn ' with reference to which, the transit results are accessed.As such their are seven charts and each house of these seven charts can get total 8 points consisting of sum of dots (bad ) and Rekhas (good). Kindly refer shloka 10 and 11 of 1st chapter on Astakvarga of BPHS.' Astakvarga decided on one hand 'the happiness and sorrows' and on other hand 'the longevity -Aysha' The Lagna Varga is constructed to ascertain longevity. This is the reason Bphs has given 7 charts of dots of seven planets and then 7 chars of rekhas of seven planets to ascertain happiness and sorrows.Thereafter Parasara gives dual chart pf bindus and rekhas for Lagna seperately to ascertain longevity. In the last Chapter on Astakvarga , Parasara shows the use of Lagna astakvarga chart to ascertain Ayuradaya- If one cycle is complete then another cycle will commence ,The death is predicted by Marka principles. If seven charts are used , total number of good Rekhas will work out 337 and to this Lagna chart is added the total good rekhas work out 386. Their is some difference in Bphs and Brihat Jatak vis a vis Jatak Parijat,JH HORA gives all options to choose. BPHS IS A MONUMENTAL DOCUMENT AND HAD EVEN LAID THE FOUNDATION OF NADI SHASHTRA- PARTICULARLY DHRUV AND CHANDRA KALA NADI.SOME SAVANTS FEEL THIS IS AN ORDINARY DOCUMENT ..NO ONE CAN FULLY COMPREHEND IT IN ONE LIFE TIME. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) . co.inFriday, 24 April, 2009 7:00:21 PMAVTo Goel Ji,I sent following private message to some fora members :<<<I found some differences in bhinnashtakavarhas of JHora with my Kundalee software, on account of my adherence to BPHS and PVR's on Brihadjaataka perhaps, wrt Budh, Mangala, Shukra and Lagna.Barring these minor differences, I found the SAV in JHora takes no account of Lagna-ashtakavarga and is therefore a total of seven instead of eight vargas.Is it a lapse or a deliberate act ?>>>------------ ------ ------------ ------I got following reply from Ash :<<<Dear Vinay ji,JHORA is giving proper values of Ashtakavarga.After plotting the SAV, we have to add the power of 7 planets to get the total.When you are plotting the BAV you are plotting that using relative position of planets from each other AND LAGNA thereby making it 8.I think, you are getting confused in the calculation.So each planet get get MAX bindu of 8 (i.e lagna + 7 planets) and hence 8.Cheers !!!Ash -> <http://www.ashtro/. ca/> http://www.ashtro/. ca>>>------------ ------ ------------ ------My answer was :<<<I am amused to learn that I am "getting confused in the calculation" of SAV.BPHS clearly says : "सरà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤·à¥à¤Ÿà¤•à¤«à¤²à¤®à¥ नà¥à¤¯à¤¸à¥‡à¤¤à¥ ", ie, the results of ALL ashtakavargas should be added to get the SAV.What is the proof that Lagna-AV should be omitted and only seven BAVs should be reckoned with while making SAV ? Please show me some ancient reference instead of poking fun at my "confusion in calculation" . If Lagna-AV is to be excluded, where is the rule mentioned, in which text ? If Lagna has no use, why not convert all BAVs into Saptaka-vargas only ??I do not want any controversy, but it is not fair to poke fun at my correct stand. First, prove me wrong before sighing at my ignorance.>>>-VJ============ ====== ============ ===== Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Now surf faster and smarter ! Check out the new Firefox 3 - Edition * Click here! Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.* Click here!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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