Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Namaste friends, > > In SLOKA 34 AND 35, THREE WORDS ARE APPEARING SIMULTANEOUSLY, > > 'LAGNAHORAVILAGNABHAYAM'.This leads us no where. > > In other versions of BPHS , these words are not occurring simultaneously. > > Further more Vilagna may not signify Ghatilagna.There looks some mistake some where. Vilagna simply means special lagna. It can refer to any special lagna. Vilagna by itself can refer to Ghatilagna and several others, BUT it is being used as a part of the expression " horavilagna " here. So two terms are mentioned: lagna and horavilagna. If one separates hora and vilagna into two things, then we will have three things. But that is ruled out due to " bhyaam " following them! The ending -bhyaam is for dwivachana (dual case). In Sanskrit, there is a dual case in addition to singular and plural and that is used here. Thus, there are two things being mentioned: lagna and horavilagna. Hence, there aren't three words here, but two words. One is lagna and the second is horavilagna (one word). Quite obviously, the special lagna normally known as horalagna is being referred to as horavilagna, which is perfectly normal and fine in the Sanskrit literary style. Without any doubt, Parasara is talking about " lagna and horalagna " . There is neither a mistake nor an ambiguity here and things are crystal clear. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > Dear Bhagavathi ji, > > In Sloka , 31 the word Vilagna is translated signifying as Lagna. > > In SLOKA 34 AND 35, THREE WORDS ARE APPEARING SIMULTANEOUSLY, > > 'LAGNAHORAVILAGNABHAYAM'.This leads us no where. > > In other versions of BPHS , these words are not occurring simultaneously. > > Further more Vilagna may not signify Ghatilagna.There looks some mistake some where. > > As such , sloka 34 and 35 may be indicating pair of Lagna and Horalagna. > > The three pair method has several exception , some are given in next chapter > > on 'Marka' > > I will recall my memory and try to list exceptions to the best of my understanding. > > Regards, > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > > Sri Ganeshaya Namah: > > > > 23 evam sansadhya cha anyesham hanyat swaswa parayusha > > Nrunam parayusha bhaktva tesham ayuhu sphutam bhavet > > > > (Note: I will figure out the exact translation of this verse. The one given by Santhanam does not seem to match. Maybe, other members can help ) > > > > 24 atha ayuhu paramam vakshye nanajatisamudbhavam > > Anantasankhyam devanam rishinam cha dwijottama > > > > Now I shall tell about the complete life span of other living beings. Gods and sages enjoy endless life span (immortal), O Brahmin > > > > 25 grudhra olook shuka dhwanksha sarpanam cha sahastrakam > > Shyena vanara bhalluka mandukanam shatatrayam > > > > The life span for Eagles, owls, parrots, crows and snakes is 1000 years. Falcon, monkey, bear and frog, 300 years > > > > 26 panchashaduttarasha tam rakshasanam prakirtitam > > Naranam kunjaranam cha vinshottarashatam tatha > > > > Demons live for 150 years. Human beings and elephants live for 120 years > > > > 27 dwatrinshad ghotakanancha panchavinshat kharoshtrayoho > > Vrishanam mahishanam cha chaturvishativatsar am > > > > 32 years for horses, 25 for donkeys and camels, 24 for oxen and buffaloes, > > > > 28 vinahsti ayuhu mayuranam chagadinam cha shodasha > > Hansanam panchanava cha pikanam dwadasha abdakaha > > > > 20 years for peacocks, 16 for goats and others (rams etc) , 14 for swans, 12 years for cuckoos > > > > 29 shunam paaravatanam cha kukkutanam dwadasha abdakaha > > Budbuda adi andajanam cha parayuhu saptavatsaraha > > > > Dogs, pigeons and hens have a life span of 12 years. It is to be understood that all other birds have a longevity of 7 years > > > > 30 yadet adhuna proktam tridha ayu dwijasattama > > Teshu kincha kada grahyamiti te kathayami aham > > > > O Brahmin, I have narrated three methods of longevity. I shall tell about which of the three systems should be chosen > > > > 31 vilagnape balopete shubhadrishte anshasambhavam > > Ravau pindodbhavam grahyam chandre naisargikam tatha > > > > If the natal lagna is strong and aspected by benefics, then the amsahyu method is used. Is the Sun lagna is strong, then pindayu method is used; moon lagna be strong then naisargika method is used > > > > 32 balasamye dwayoho yogadalam ayuhu prakirtitam > > Trayanam triyutehe trayanshasamam gyeyam dwijottama > > > > If two lagnas happen to be equal strong, then two systems should be worked out, and the average should be considered. If all three lagnas are equally strong, then the average of three should be taken > > > > > >  > > > > 33 atha anyadapi vakshayami srunu tvam dwijasattama > > Kaishchit lagna ashtameshabhyam manda indubhyam tathaiva cha > > > > Now I shall tell about other methods, listen O Brahmin. This is based on Lagna, 8th lord, Saturn and moon > > > > 34 lagnahoravilagnabhy am sphutam ayuhu prakirtitam > > Adau lagna ashtameshabhyam yogam ekam vichintayet > > > > The longevity can be arrived it from the positions of hora lagna and(?)vighati lagna. Now the lagna and the 8th lord, together is one combination (for longevity purpose) > > > > 35 dwitiyam mandachandrabhyam yogam pashyet dwijottama > > Lagnahoravilagnabhy am tritiyam parichintayet > > > > The second is seen from the combination of moon and Saturn, O excellent of Brahmins, the third is the combination of hora lagna and vighati lagna (?) > > > > (Note: Verse 34 says lagna ashtameshabhyam, so it means just lagna and the 8L and not lagna lord. Verses 34 and 35 mention vilagna, which could best translate to vighati lagna than lagna, because in pair one, we already had lagna with 8L. This could be one of the reason why the three pair rule does not work all the time, as we have not been considering vighati lagna over lagna in pair three. This is my humble opinion, from the observation of several cases. Other learned members can share their views) > > > > 36 chararashau sthitau dwau chet tada deergham udahrutam > > Ekah sthire aparo dwandwe deergham ayuhu tathapi hi > > > > If two (out of three) combinations happen to be a movable sign, the life span will be long. One pair in a fixed sign and the other in a dual sign, also confers a long life > > > > 37 ekah chare sthira anyah chet tada madhyam udahrutam > > Dwau va dwandwe sthitau vipra madhyam ayuhu tathapi cha > > > > One in movable, the other in fixed confers medium life span. The same is also the case when two are in dual signs > > > > 38 ekah chare aparo dwandwe dwau va sthiragatau tada > > Jatakasya tada alpayuhu gyeyam evam dwijottama > > > > One in movable, and the other two in dual or fixed signs, will give limited longevity, O Brahmin > > > > 39 yogatrayena yogabhyam siddham yad grahyameva tat > > Yogatrayavisanvade lagnahoravilagnatah > > > > The type of life denoted by three pairs should be considered. If all three happen to be different, then the longevity denoted by hora lagna and (?)vighati lagna should be considered > > > > 40 lagne va saptame chandre grahyam manda indutah tada > > Haso vriddhihi cha kakshyaya vichintya sarvada budhihi > > > > If moon happens to be in the lagna or in the 7th house, then the pair of Saturn-moon rule applies ( if all three are different ) > > 41 deerghe yogatrayena evam nakha Chandra samabdakaha > > Yoga dwayena vasvahsa yogaekena rasankakaha > > > > If by all three pairs, long life is indicated, the span is 120 years, if it is by two pairs, then it is 108 years, if one pair indicates long life, then the span is 91 years > > > > 42 madhye yogatrayena evam kha ashtatulya abdakaha smritaha > > Dwayaga yogadwayena atra yogaekena abdhi shanmitaha > > > > If medium life is denoted by three pairs, the span is 80 years, 72 years if by two pairs and 64 years if denoted by one pair > > > > 43 alpe yogatrayena atra dwa trinshanmita vatsaraha > > Yogadwayena shat trinshat yoga ekena cha kha abdhayah > > > > If limited longevity is indicated by three pairs, the span is 32 years, if by two pairs, then it is 36 years and if by one pair, it is 40 years > > > > To continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2009 Report Share Posted May 1, 2009 Namaste friends, > > In SLOKA 34 AND 35, THREE WORDS ARE APPEARING SIMULTANEOUSLY,> > 'LAGNAHORAVILAGNABHAYAM'.This leads us no where.> > In other versions of BPHS , these words are not occurring simultaneously.> > Further more Vilagna may not signify Ghatilagna.There looks some mistake some where. Vilagna simply means special lagna. It can refer to any special lagna. Vilagna by itself can refer to Ghatilagna and several others, BUT it is being used as a part of the expression "horavilagna" here. So two terms are mentioned: lagna and horavilagna. If one separates hora and vilagna into two things, then we will have three things. But that is ruled out due to "bhyaam" following them! The ending -bhyaam is for dwivachana (dual case). In Sanskrit, there is a dual case in addition to singular and plural and that is used here. Thus, there are two things being mentioned: lagna and horavilagna. Hence, there aren't three words here, but two words. One is lagna and the second is horavilagna (one word). Quite obviously, the special lagna normally known as horalagna is being referred to as horavilagna, which is perfectly normal and fine in the Sanskrit literary style. Without any doubt, Parasara is talking about "lagna and horalagna". There is neither a mistake nor an ambiguity here and things are crystal clear. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > Dear Bhagavathi ji,> > In Sloka , 31 the word Vilagna is translated signifying as Lagna.> > In SLOKA 34 AND 35, THREE WORDS ARE APPEARING SIMULTANEOUSLY,> > 'LAGNAHORAVILAGNABHAYAM'.This leads us no where.> > In other versions of BPHS , these words are not occurring simultaneously.> > Further more Vilagna may not signify Ghatilagna.There looks some mistake some where.> > As such , sloka 34 and 35 may be indicating pair of Lagna and Horalagna.> > The three pair method has several exception , some are given in next chapter > > on 'Marka'> > I will recall my memory and try to list exceptions to the best of my understanding.> > Regards,> > > >  G.K.GOEL> > > > Sri Ganeshaya Namah:> > > > 23 evam sansadhya cha anyesham hanyat swaswa parayusha> > Nrunam parayusha bhaktva tesham ayuhu sphutam bhavet> > > > (Note: I will figure out the exact translation of this verse. The one given by Santhanam does not seem to match. Maybe, other members can help )> > > > 24 atha ayuhu paramam vakshye nanajatisamudbhavam> > Anantasankhyam devanam rishinam cha dwijottama> > > > Now I shall tell about the complete life span of other living beings. Gods and sages enjoy endless life span (immortal), O Brahmin> > > > 25 grudhra olook shuka dhwanksha sarpanam cha sahastrakam> > Shyena vanara bhalluka mandukanam shatatrayam> > > > The life span for Eagles, owls, parrots, crows and snakes is 1000 years. Falcon, monkey, bear and frog, 300 years> > > > 26 panchashaduttarasha tam rakshasanam prakirtitam> > Naranam kunjaranam cha vinshottarashatam tatha> > > > Demons live for 150 years. Human beings and elephants live for 120 years> > > > 27 dwatrinshad ghotakanancha panchavinshat kharoshtrayoho> > Vrishanam mahishanam cha chaturvishativatsar am> > > > 32 years for horses, 25 for donkeys and camels, 24 for oxen and buffaloes,> > > > 28 vinahsti ayuhu mayuranam chagadinam cha shodasha> > Hansanam panchanava cha pikanam dwadasha abdakaha> > > > 20 years for peacocks, 16 for goats and others (rams etc) , 14 for swans, 12 years for cuckoos > > > > 29 shunam paaravatanam cha kukkutanam dwadasha abdakaha> > Budbuda adi andajanam cha parayuhu saptavatsaraha> > > > Dogs, pigeons and hens have a life span of 12 years. It is to be understood that all other birds have a longevity of 7 years> > > > 30 yadet adhuna proktam tridha ayu dwijasattama> > Teshu kincha kada grahyamiti te kathayami aham> > > > O Brahmin, I have narrated three methods of longevity. I shall tell about which of the three systems should be chosen> > > > 31 vilagnape balopete shubhadrishte anshasambhavam> > Ravau pindodbhavam grahyam chandre naisargikam tatha> > > > If the natal lagna is strong and aspected by benefics, then the amsahyu method is used. Is the Sun lagna is strong, then pindayu method is used; moon lagna be strong then naisargika method is used> > > > 32 balasamye dwayoho yogadalam ayuhu prakirtitam> > Trayanam triyutehe trayanshasamam gyeyam dwijottama> > > > If two lagnas happen to be equal strong, then two systems should be worked out, and the average should be considered. If all three lagnas are equally strong, then the average of three should be taken> > > > > >  > > > > 33 atha anyadapi vakshayami srunu tvam dwijasattama> > Kaishchit lagna ashtameshabhyam manda indubhyam tathaiva cha> > > > Now I shall tell about other methods, listen O Brahmin. This is based on Lagna, 8th lord, Saturn and moon > > > > 34 lagnahoravilagnabhy am sphutam ayuhu prakirtitam> > Adau lagna ashtameshabhyam yogam ekam vichintayet> > > > The longevity can be arrived it from the positions of hora lagna and(?)vighati lagna. Now the lagna and the 8th lord, together is one combination (for longevity purpose) > > > > 35 dwitiyam mandachandrabhyam yogam pashyet dwijottama> > Lagnahoravilagnabhy am tritiyam parichintayet> > > > The second is seen from the combination of moon and Saturn, O excellent of Brahmins, the third is the combination of hora lagna and vighati lagna (?)> > > > (Note: Verse 34 says lagna ashtameshabhyam, so it means just lagna and the 8L and not lagna lord. Verses 34 and 35 mention vilagna, which could best translate to vighati lagna than lagna, because in pair one, we already had lagna with 8L. This could be one of the reason why the three pair rule does not work all the time, as we have not been considering vighati lagna over lagna in pair three. This is my humble opinion, from the observation of several cases. Other learned members can share their views)> > > > 36 chararashau sthitau dwau chet tada deergham udahrutam> > Ekah sthire aparo dwandwe deergham ayuhu tathapi hi> > > > If two (out of three) combinations happen to be a movable sign, the life span will be long. One pair in a fixed sign and the other in a dual sign, also confers a long life> > > > 37 ekah chare sthira anyah chet tada madhyam udahrutam> > Dwau va dwandwe sthitau vipra madhyam ayuhu tathapi cha> > > > One in movable, the other in fixed confers medium life span. The same is also the case when two are in dual signs> > > > 38 ekah chare aparo dwandwe dwau va sthiragatau tada> > Jatakasya tada alpayuhu gyeyam evam dwijottama> > > > One in movable, and the other two in dual or fixed signs, will give limited longevity, O Brahmin> > > > 39 yogatrayena yogabhyam siddham yad grahyameva tat> > Yogatrayavisanvade lagnahoravilagnatah> > > > The type of life denoted by three pairs should be considered. If all three happen to be different, then the longevity denoted by hora lagna and (?)vighati lagna should be considered> > > > 40 lagne va saptame chandre grahyam manda indutah tada> > Haso vriddhihi cha kakshyaya vichintya sarvada budhihi> > > > If moon happens to be in the lagna or in the 7th house, then the pair of Saturn-moon rule applies ( if all three are different )> > 41 deerghe yogatrayena evam nakha Chandra samabdakaha> > Yoga dwayena vasvahsa yogaekena rasankakaha> > > > If by all three pairs, long life is indicated, the span is 120 years, if it is by two pairs, then it is 108 years, if one pair indicates long life, then the span is 91 years> > > > 42 madhye yogatrayena evam kha ashtatulya abdakaha smritaha> > Dwayaga yogadwayena atra yogaekena abdhi shanmitaha> > > > If medium life is denoted by three pairs, the span is 80 years, 72 years if by two pairs and 64 years if denoted by one pair> > > > 43 alpe yogatrayena atra dwa trinshanmita vatsaraha> > Yogadwayena shat trinshat yoga ekena cha kha abdhayah> > > > If limited longevity is indicated by three pairs, the span is 32 years, if by two pairs, then it is 36 years and if by one pair, it is 40 years> > > > To continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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