Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

[Guest guest]

I have often pondered the question of free will vs. natal horoscope. The

horoscope shows the " promise " or the potential but " free will " drives the

choices we make. There are some choices, I am sure, we make during our

lifetimes that are counter to our horoscope and those choices cannot be

predictable!

 

This is why I am a reluctant Jyotishi! How can we factor future choices an

individual is likely to make into our readings! And what advise do we give a

prospective client on the use of their " free will " to mitigate adverse

combinations or enhance favorable combinations in their charts?

 

And is " free will " really " free " or is it merely a perception of " freedom "

which in reality is a series of impulses (thoughts!) coming from the

unconscious which is participating in playing out the dance of prarabdha

karma!

 

Just some thoughts!

 

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvrwrote:

 

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question. I am

> cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from the mail.

>

> * * *

>

> For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is a

> little background.

>

> I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi would

> come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political power. At the

> time of that prediction, there were no such indications on the ground. But

> he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The initial talk was in

> 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and elections were in 2009. Though

> his party did badly, he was elected as a legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

>

> Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped the

> ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party would do well in 2009

> elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of success and did

> not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I was honestly

> expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus, the followup of my

> original prediction is a failure.

>

> * * *

>

> It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile

> political predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage,

> job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

>

> In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and yet we

> are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad predictions with

> good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in judging various

> factors. However, that human error seems to be a little more common in high

> profile political predictions than in regular predictions. What could be the

> reason?

>

> I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology plays a

> bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and elaborate what

> I mean.

>

> * * *

>

> One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous lives

> using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this life.

> However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed in THIS

> life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time in one's life

> is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that point of time,

> INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now. Some key actions

> committed using one's free will in THIS life, especially at important

> crossroads in life, should impact the life events from then onwards.

>

> Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a

> catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives which

> are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this life has

> little scope. When the options available for the free will in this life are

> limited, there may not be significant actions using free will and hence the

> modifications to destiny based on actions of this life may not be big

> enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to predict events.

>

> However, highly popular, successful and high profile public personalities

> may have less restrictions and more options available for their free will.

> With their free will being more free and powerful, the actions committed by

> their free will may have a higher weightage. As we are able to see only

> their destiny in the horoscope (free will exercise upto birth) and unable to

> factor in how free will was exercised in this life until now, we are perhaps

> handicapped in our predictions.

>

> Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the leader of

> opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying some

> political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy that

> power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an accurate

> prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of free

> will in this life until now make a difference in some high profile charts?

>

> * * *

>

> I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and answering

> it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for themselves...

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------

>

> -

> Dear PVR garu,

>

> Namaste.

>

> If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

> Chiranjeevi failed ?

>

> I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to understand

> if

> 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the

> correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

>

> I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know about

> you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the failures

> are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack of knowledge.

>

> If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a problem.

> We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is available to us

> at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.

>

> Best Regards,

> <deleted>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello i fully with your views, after an astrologer is not god but

i would like to nitpick

a) all astrologers including you should refrain from making such predictions

in public forum

b) the least i or us expect from an talented astrologer is certain amount of

humility and not arrogance of using the know bestowed

which is what i feel is the problem here, then you don't need to justify

like this

 

but at end of it we are all with you relax

 

take a chill pill

 

regards

with lots of love and affection

 

 

maddy

(madhusudan)

 

ooops i forgot , my jupiter is in Pisces 9th house and Sun in 10th house

(aries) ;-))

 

 

 

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvrwrote:

 

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question. I am

> cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from the mail.

>

> * * *

>

> For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is a

> little background.

>

> I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi would

> come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political power. At the

> time of that prediction, there were no such indications on the ground. But

> he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The initial talk was in

> 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and elections were in 2009. Though

> his party did badly, he was elected as a legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

>

> Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped the

> ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party would do well in 2009

> elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of success and did

> not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I was honestly

> expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus, the followup of my

> original prediction is a failure.

>

> * * *

>

> It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile

> political predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage,

> job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

>

> In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and yet we

> are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad predictions with

> good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in judging various

> factors. However, that human error seems to be a little more common in high

> profile political predictions than in regular predictions. What could be the

> reason?

>

> I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology plays a

> bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and elaborate what

> I mean.

>

> * * *

>

> One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous lives

> using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this life.

> However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed in THIS

> life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time in one's life

> is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that point of time,

> INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now. Some key actions

> committed using one's free will in THIS life, especially at important

> crossroads in life, should impact the life events from then onwards.

>

> Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a

> catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives which

> are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this life has

> little scope. When the options available for the free will in this life are

> limited, there may not be significant actions using free will and hence the

> modifications to destiny based on actions of this life may not be big

> enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to predict events.

>

> However, highly popular, successful and high profile public personalities

> may have less restrictions and more options available for their free will.

> With their free will being more free and powerful, the actions committed by

> their free will may have a higher weightage. As we are able to see only

> their destiny in the horoscope (free will exercise upto birth) and unable to

> factor in how free will was exercised in this life until now, we are perhaps

> handicapped in our predictions.

>

> Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the leader of

> opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying some

> political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy that

> power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an accurate

> prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of free

> will in this life until now make a difference in some high profile charts?

>

> * * *

>

> I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and answering

> it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for themselves...

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------

>

> -

> Dear PVR garu,

>

> Namaste.

>

> If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

> Chiranjeevi failed ?

>

> I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to understand

> if

> 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the

> correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

>

> I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know about

> you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the failures

> are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack of knowledge.

>

> If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a problem.

> We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is available to us

> at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.

>

> Best Regards,

> <deleted>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

> > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > still......

 

Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway? There is no

destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free will shapes tomorrow's

destiny.

 

In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham " that there is nothing called

destiny. He says all that is there is your free will. He says that actions done

in the past using your free will will catch up with you and that catching up is

given the name of destiny. This destiny is thus nothing external, but acts of

your own free will getting back at you.

 

Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first 10 days of the

month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who

abused their free will in the past may be faced with such a weighty destiny that

their free will is useless right now. Such people may feel that there is nothing

called free will.

 

The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may vary from person

to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that free will exists and

that acts of free will shape one's future.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Gopi ji,

>

> Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and somewhat musingly

(not amusingly!):

>

> All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some ending up being

effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable survey reporting the

efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate -- only anecdotal accounts) --

what are these? Destiny or acts of free will on the part of the nativity? In

both cases where they choose to follow these or choose not to follow the advice?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> >

> > Narasimha garu,

> >

> > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > still......

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question.

> > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from

> > the mail.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is

> > a little background.

> > >

> > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi

> > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political

> > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such indications on

> > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The

> > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and

> > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected as a

> > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > >

> > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped

> > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi's party would do well

> > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of

> > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I

> > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus,

> > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile

> > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage,

> > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > >

> > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and

> > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad

> > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in

> > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a little

> > more common in high profile political predictions than in regular

> > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > >

> > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology

> > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and

> > elaborate what I mean.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous

> > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this

> > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed

> > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time in

> > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that

> > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now.

> > Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS life,

> > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life

> > events from then onwards.

> > >

> > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a

> > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives

> > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this

> > life has little scope. When the options available for the free will in

> > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using free

> > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this

> > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to predict

> > events.

> > >

> > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public

> > personalities may have less restrictions and more options available for

> > their free will. With their free will being more free and powerful, the

> > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage. As we

> > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will exercise

> > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in this

> > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.

> > >

> > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the

> > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying

> > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy

> > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an accurate

> > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of

> > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high profile

> > charts?

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and

> > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for

> > themselves...

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Dear PVR garu,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

> > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > >

> > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to

> > understand if

> > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the

> > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > >

> > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know

> > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the

> > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack

> > of knowledge.

> > >

> > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a

> > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is

> > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > <deleted>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Om Vishnave Namah

 

Namasthe Narasimha Garu

 

Is there a way or techniques to quantitatively and accurately ascertain how much

is the

destiny/baggage part and the free will part.

May be this is where modern day astrologers are lagging?

 

Srinivasa

 

--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

 

 

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your

prediction on Chiranjeevi)

vedic astrology , sohamsa ,

,

Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:40 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

> > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > still......

 

Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway? There is no

destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free will shapes tomorrow's

destiny.

 

In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in " Yoga Vaasishtham " that there is nothing called

destiny. He says all that is there is your free will. He says that actions done

in the past using your free will will catch up with you and that catching up is

given the name of destiny. This destiny is thus nothing external, but acts of

your own free will getting back at you.

 

Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first 10 days of the

month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who

abused their free will in the past may be faced with such a weighty destiny that

their free will is useless right now. Such people may feel that there is nothing

called free will.

 

The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may vary from person

to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that free will exists and

that acts of free will shape one's future.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

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Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

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Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

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------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> Gopi ji,

>

> Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and somewhat musingly

(not amusingly!):

>

> All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some ending up being

effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable survey reporting the

efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate -- only anecdotal accounts) --

what are these? Destiny or acts of free will on the part of the nativity? In

both cases where they choose to follow these or choose not to follow the advice?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@> wrote:

> >

> > Narasimha garu,

> >

> > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also

> > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed

> > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but

> > still......

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question.

> > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from

> > the mail.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is

> > a little background.

> > >

> > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi

> > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political

> > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such indications on

> > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The

> > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and

> > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected as a

> > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

> > >

> > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped

> > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi' s party would do well

> > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of

> > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I

> > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus,

> > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile

> > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage,

> > job, childbirth etc in " regular " charts.

> > >

> > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and

> > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad

> > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in

> > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a little

> > more common in high profile political predictions than in regular

> > predictions. What could be the reason?

> > >

> > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology

> > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and

> > elaborate what I mean.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous

> > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this

> > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed

> > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time in

> > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that

> > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now.

> > Some key actions committed using one's free will in THIS life,

> > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life

> > events from then onwards.

> > >

> > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a

> > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives

> > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this

> > life has little scope. When the options available for the free will in

> > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using free

> > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this

> > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to predict

> > events.

> > >

> > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public

> > personalities may have less restrictions and more options available for

> > their free will. With their free will being more free and powerful, the

> > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage. As we

> > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will exercise

> > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in this

> > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.

> > >

> > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the

> > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying

> > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy

> > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an accurate

> > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of

> > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high profile

> > charts?

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and

> > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for

> > themselves.. .

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > >

> > > -

> > > Dear PVR garu,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

> > Chiranjeevi failed ?

> > >

> > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to

> > understand if

> > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the

> > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.

> > >

> > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know

> > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the

> > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack

> > of knowledge.

> > >

> > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a

> > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is

> > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > <deleted>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Respected Sir,

 

I have a sincere query with regard to free will, destiny and predetermined aspects of life.

 

In any one's life, where does the free will works out? i mean in which aspects of life free will of a person works out and in which aspects of life it wont work out.

 

The great chanakya him self said that......

 

These five: the life-span, the type of work, wealth, learning and the time of one's death are determined while one is in the womb.(Chapter Four, First Stanza, Chanakya Niti Shastra).

 

If we examine the above stanza from chanakya niti shastra, almost all the major aspects of life are predetermined according to our previous Karma.. Even our thinking process and emotions are determined as i understood. Because learning needs it.

My question is where does the chance lie to influence the next birth in this birth? I suppose that chance as the free will but how much ever i think about it i can not get any clue on it. where does that chance actually lie, in which form or in which aspects of life?

Thank you very much.

 

Sincerely

Sai Krishna.

 

 

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)vedic astrology , sohamsa , , Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 7:10 AM

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

> > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also> > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed> > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but> > still.......

 

Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is destiny anyway? There is no destiny if there is no free will, for today's act of free will shapes tomorrow's destiny.

 

In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in "Yoga Vaasishtham" that there is nothing called destiny. He says all that is there is your free will. He says that actions done in the past using your free will will catch up with you and that catching up is given the name of destiny. This destiny is thus nothing external, but acts of your own free will getting back at you.

 

Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in the first 10 days of the month may have no money to spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who abused their free will in the past may be faced with such a weighty destiny that their free will is useless right now. Such people may feel that there is nothing called free will.

 

The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for free may may vary from person to person and situation to situation, but it is a fact that free will exists and that acts of free will shape one's future.

 

Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

, "Rohiniranjan" <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:>> Gopi ji,> > Please understand that I am truly asking this sincerely and somewhat musingly (not amusingly!):> > All these remedies, that are prescribed and followed, some ending up being effective, others not (and there has never been a reliable survey reporting the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate -- only anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny or acts of free will on the part of the nativity? In both cases where they choose to follow these or choose not to follow the advice?> > Rohiniranjan> > , "gopi_b927" <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > > Narasimha garu,> > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so called free will can also> > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes whatever freewill existed> > for humans might have exited.I know majority will never agree but> > still......> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question.> > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing

your name from> > the mail.> > >> > > * * *> > >> > > For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is> > a little background.> > >> > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi> > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political> > power. At the time of that prediction, there were no such indications on> > the ground. But he did come into politics in the same timeframe. The> > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a party in 2008 and> > elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly, he was elected as a> > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.> > >> > > Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped> > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi' s party would do

well> > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of> > success and did not predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I> > was honestly expecting his party to do better than they managed. Thus,> > the followup of my original prediction is a failure.> > >> > > * * *> > >> > > It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile> > political predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage,> > job, childbirth etc in "regular" charts.> > >> > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and> > yet we are eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad> > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can be a human error in> > judging various factors. However, that human error seems to be a little> >

more common in high profile political predictions than in regular> > predictions. What could be the reason?> > >> > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology> > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and> > elaborate what I mean.> > >> > > * * *> > >> > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous> > lives using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this> > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed> > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens at any point of time in> > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed by one until that> > point of time, INCLUDING the actions committed in THIS life until now.> > Some key actions committed using one's free will

in THIS life,> > especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the life> > events from then onwards.> > >> > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a> > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives> > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this> > life has little scope. When the options available for the free will in> > this life are limited, there may not be significant actions using free> > will and hence the modifications to destiny based on actions of this> > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be sufficient to predict> > events.> > >> > > However, highly popular, successful and high profile public> > personalities may have less restrictions and more options available for> > their free

will. With their free will being more free and powerful, the> > actions committed by their free will may have a higher weightage. As we> > are able to see only their destiny in the horoscope (free will exercise> > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will was exercised in this> > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our predictions.> > >> > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the> > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying> > some political power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy> > that power. To predict the specific degree of power and make an accurate> > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always? Could the exercise of> > free will in this life until now make a difference in some high profile> > charts?> > >>

> > * * *> > >> > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and> > answering it myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for> > themselves.. .> > >> > > Best regards,> > > Narasimha> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > >> > > -> > > Dear PVR garu,> > >> > > Namaste.> > >> > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on> > Chiranjeevi failed ?> > >> > > I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to> > understand if> > > 1) It is a human error (May

be you ignored some data ? )> > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the> > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.> > >> > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know> > about you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the> > failures are not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack> > of knowledge.> > >> > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a> > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is> > available to us at this age is very limited and may not be accurate.> > >> > > Best Regards,> > > <deleted>

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Namaste,Whatever we do will be returned as we have experienced over a period of time...1. EQUAL EFFECTS: Spare (10%) some income for noble purposes and we will get back through a circle/circulation.2. MANIFOLD RETURNS: Spare our time to serve and we get freedom. This could be predominantly towards parents and the Guru and the rewards will be manifold... As we have been taught, "Serve a Guru and earn the freedom". (If we can't

find a suitable Guru due to time and place constraints, the direct Guru can be the Pitru/Atmakaraka Sun himself as shown by the sage Varahamihira. www.suryayog.org)The 'rope length' can be judged by the TOTALITY of the positive influences on all the houses including the dustanas (benefics in the spiritual houses is a huge blessing) and the negative influences on all the houses.Elapsed period--sub periods give a clue to the 'burnt karmas'. As an example, pass through the Saturn's dasa of 19 yrs placed in the spiritual

houses, and we will be left with very little residual karmas. This is one more way of burning karmas by 'experiencing them'.(However, It is preferable to focus on the act of getting karmas burnt

instead of attempting to know how much karmas we have burnt... Our positive actions/service/charity executed with the attitude of 'Krishnarpanamasthu" is the simplest way to break the link of action/fruit...)Shekhar--- On Thu, 28/5/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote:Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikaryRe: Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)sohamsa Date: Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 10:58 AM

 

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Shyam,

Nice analogy.

How would you see the rope length and type through the chart detials?

also, how to tell how much "karmas" are burned at any point in time?

With regards

Lakshmi

--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Shyam V. Srivatsa <shyam.srivatsa@ runbox.com> wrote:

Shyam V. Srivatsa <shyam.srivatsa@ runbox.com>Re: Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)sohamsa@ .comWednesday, May 27, 2009, 11:08 AM

 

 

Namaste!Ramakrishna Paramahamsa compared the results of past actions to be likea rope tied around the neck of a goat. Free will is restricted to theamount of freedom the rope allows one. As one burns more of past karma,it is like the rope being loosened and the freedom given increases.Ultimately we are all bound by the power of prakriti or maya as onechooses to call it.In psychological terms, ones own thought structures are the rope thatties us.. Our own conditioned mind restricts us. What a horoscope revealsin this sense is often the ropes that bind us. The grace of Guru and thepower of sadhana burn away these ropes/sanchita karma.Regards,ShyamOn Wed, 2009-05-27 at 13:38 +0530, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> Dear Srinivasa,> Let me give my opinion,> Upachaaya houses 3,6,10 and 11 are for free will. Upachaaya means

to> increase or grow. These houses can increase your level of karma. Most> of the houses are considered bad (except 10th) by Parashara. Hence we> should try to limit our free will for loading our karma baggage.> > 3rd House : Kaama or passion related karmas. > 11th house: Desire or Wants related karmas. > 6th house: Hatred, revenge etc.> > All the above are one of prime causes of increasing karma. Look at the> grahas in above places to see how many factors are forcing you to> indulge in those karmas. Malefics generally add more negative karma.> > 3rd house remedy is best to take Guru Upadesha (7th from 3rd is 9th> house).> 11th house worship Shiva> 6th House worship Vishnu.> > > > Warm Regards> Sanjay P> > > > > > > 2009/5/27 Srinivasa Sunchu <padmanu >> > > Om Vishnave Namah> > Namasthe Narasimha Garu> > Is there a way or techniques to quantitatively and accurately> ascertain how much is the> destiny/baggage part and the free will part.> May be this is where modern day astrologers are lagging?> > Srinivasa> > --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>> wrote:> > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>>

Re: Horoscope, free will and high> profile charts (Re: Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)> vedic astrology,> sohamsa@ .com, ,> > Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:40

PM> > Namaste,> > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so> called free will can also> > > be an asumption.As far as my experience goes> whatever freewill existed> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will> never agree but> > > still......> > Well, free will DOES exist. In fact, what exactly is> destiny anyway? There is no destiny if there is no> free will, for today's act of free will shapes> tomorrow's destiny.> > In fact, Vasishtha tells Rama in "Yoga Vaasishtham"> that there is nothing called destiny. He says all that> is there is your free will. He says that actions done> in the past using your free will will catch up with> you and that catching up is given the name of destiny.> This destiny is thus nothing external, but acts of> your own free

will getting back at you.> > Just as a person who spends all his monthly salary in> the first 10 days of the month may have no money to> spend in the next 20 days, similarly people who abused> their free will in the past may be faced with such a> weighty destiny that their free will is useless right> now. Such people may feel that there is nothing called> free will.> > The amount of leeway and wiggle room available for> free may may vary from person to person and situation> to situation, but it is a fact that free will exists> and that acts of free will shape one's future.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------> --------- ---------> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst> rologer.org/ homam> Do

Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst> rologer.org/ tarpana> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic-> wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.> home.comcast. net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst> rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------> --------- --------- > > > , "Rohiniranjan"> <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:> >>

> Gopi

ji,> > > > Please understand that I am truly asking this> sincerely and somewhat musingly (not amusingly!):> > > > All these remedies, that are prescribed and> followed, some ending up being effective, others not> (and there has never been a reliable survey reporting> the efficacy of remedies, sorted by type or aggregate> -- only anecdotal accounts) -- what are these? Destiny> or acts of free will on the part of the nativity? In> both cases where they choose to follow these or choose> not to follow the advice?> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > , "gopi_b927"> <gopi_b927@> wrote:> > > > > > Narasimha garu,> > > > > > how do we know that free will exists?.The so> called free will can also> > > be an

asumption.As far as my experience goes> whatever freewill existed> > > for humans might have exited.I know majority will> never agree but> > > still......> > > , "Narasimha> P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in> response to your question.> > > I am cc'ing this to some astrology lists after> removing your name from> > > the mail.> > > >> > > > * * *> > > >> > > > For those who are unaware of the prediction> referred to below, here is> > > a little background.> > > >> > > > I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu> film actor

Chiranjeevi> > > would come into politics in 2007-2009 and and> enjoy some political> > > power. At the time of that prediction, there were> no such indications on> > > the ground. But he did come into politics in the> same timeframe. The> > > initial talk was in 2007, he finally formed a> party in 2008 and> > > elections were in 2009. Though his party did> badly, he was elected as a> > > legislator (MLA) in May 2009.> > > >> > > > Thus, the original prediction was quite> successful. However, I upped> > > the ante last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi'> s party would do well> > > in 2009 elections. Though I was not specific> regarding his level of> > > success and did not predict that he would become> the Chief Minister, I> > >

was honestly expecting his party to do better than> they managed. Thus,> > > the followup of my original prediction is a> failure.> > > >> > > > * * *> > > >> > > > It is my personal observation that the success> rate in high profile> > > political predictions is less than in regular> predictions like marriage,> > > job, childbirth etc in "regular" charts.> > > >> > > > In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata> is not accurate and> > > yet we are eager to make predictions. But> sometimes we make bad> > > predictions with good data too. Of course, it can> be a human error in> > > judging various factors. However, that human error> seems to be a little> > > more common in high profile political

predictions> than in regular> > > predictions. What could be the reason?> > > >> > > > I wonder if the factor of free will that is left> out of astrology> > > plays a bigger role in political charts. I will> try to think loud and> > > elaborate what I mean.> > > >> > > > * * *> > > >> > > > One's birth chart contains the list of actions> committed in previous> > > lives using one's free will that are to give their> reactions in this> > > life. However, as life goes on, one accumulates> newer actions committed> > > in THIS life using one's free will. What happens> at any point of time in> > > one's life is a function of ALL actions committed> by one until that> > > point of time, INCLUDING the actions

committed in> THIS life until now.> > > Some key actions committed using one's free will> in THIS life,> > > especially at important crossroads in life, should> impact the life> > > events from then onwards.> > > >> > > > Many people are weighed down by too many karmas> and always playing a> > > catchup. In other words, destiny (sum of the> actions of previous lives> > > which are to give a reaction now) is too weighty> and free will in this> > > life has little scope. When the options available> for the free will in> > > this life are limited, there may not be> significant actions using free> > > will and hence the modifications to destiny based> on actions of this> > > life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be> sufficient to

predict> > > events.> > > >> > > > However, highly popular, successful and high> profile public> > > personalities may have less restrictions and more> options available for> > > their free will. With their free will being more> free and powerful, the> > > actions committed by their free will may have a> higher weightage. As we> > > are able to see only their destiny in the> horoscope (free will exercise> > > upto birth) and unable to factor in how free will> was exercised in this> > > life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in our> predictions.> > > >> > > > Whether a political leader is in limelight and> becomes MP or the> > > leader of opposition in parliament or the Prime> Minister, he is enjoying> > > some

political power. Previous karmas placed him> in a position to enjoy> > > that power. To predict the specific degree of> power and make an accurate> > > prediction, is the horoscope sufficient always?> Could the exercise of> > > free will in this life until now make a difference> in some high profile> > > charts?> > > >> > > > * * *> > > >> > > > I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing> a question and> > > answering it myself, I will let learned friends> ponder on this for> > > themselves.. .> > > >> > > > Best regards,> > > > Narasimha> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---------> --------- --------- ---------> > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst> rologer.org/ homam> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst> rologer.org/ tarpana> > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. /> group/vedic- wisdom> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.> home.comcast.. net> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > > > ------------

---------

--------- ---------> --------- --------- ---------> > > >> > > > -> > > > Dear PVR garu,> > > >> > > > Namaste.> > > >> > > > If you don't mind, could you please look in to> why your prediction on> > > Chiranjeevi failed ?> > > >> > > > I am not asking this question with a wrong> intent. I wanted to> > > understand if> > > > 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some> data ? )> > > > 2) You still can't understand why it failed and> you think that was the> > > correct prediction to be best of your knowledge.> > > >> > > > I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and> after coming to know> > > about you / your lessons I

developed strong faith> and I thought all the> > > failures are not because of astrology but because> of astrologer's lack> > > of knowledge.> > > >> > > > If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case> #2, then we have a> > > problem. We will have to conclude that the Jyotish> knowledge that is> > > available to us at this age is very limited and> may not be accurate.> > > >> > > > Best Regards,> > > > <deleted>> > > > >

 

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Dear Freedom,

 

It is good to hear from you.

 

Just for the record, I want to state that I agree with Freedom's point. The

charts of other people involved also matter. The charts of countries, political

parties, opponents and supporting leaders also matter. I have no disagreement

there.

 

* * *

 

But this is orthogonal to my main point.

 

Though we are including more factors above, we are still talking of horoscopes,

i.e. static snapshots of accumulated actions (destiny). My question is: Does

destiny get modified during one's lifetime due to one's newer actions in that

life? Is there a set of possibilities in one's life and does the exact result

vary within the set of possibilities based on one's actions, or are the exact

results fixed?

 

If you pick the latter, the next question is: Do you then believe in remedies?

What are you trying to do with remedies?

 

* * *

 

> If I remember correctly Narasimha, you had accurately

> predicted that Bush would win a second term based

> on the chart of United States.

 

Yes, I predicted that in 2004, mostly using the charts of Bush and Kerry and NOT

using US chart. In fact, I do not trust any US chart out there. I tried several

of them, but was not satisfied with any of them.

 

But I did use mundane charts like the lunar new year chart and, more

importantly, placement of planets in an eclipse chart in Washington DC just

before the 2004 elections. I suppose that is what you are referring to.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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sohamsa , Freedomji <freeflowaum wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> " It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political

predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth

etc in " regular " charts. "

>

> I agree with the fact that high profile people/politicians are harder to make

predictions about. I wouldn't agree that free-will is the cause of this.

Instead, my observation has been more that the politician is relating to a

representative body. In a battle, it doesn't matter only what the individual's

chart says, it also matters what the opositions chart says-they could both be in

good dashas- but one is better. In becoming the elected leader of a people, the

karma of the country as a whole influences the outcome. A country destined to

poverty will elect a leader who will take them there, or whatevere the karma may

be. The leader is only representing some larger karma. I have noticed that the

chart of a president severely impacts a country's events, as well as a country's

chart severely impacts a presidents life.

>

> If I remember correctly Narasimha, you had accurately predicted that Bush

would win a second term based on the chart of United States.

>

> In this way, a politician or high profile personality is more controlled and

influenced by larger bodies of karma outside themselves, and these need to be

taken into account when making predictions. I could only imagine if Obama did

everything he wanted to do, but he is so limited and controlled by the

ideologies of two political parties- and the job of making each of them happy.

>

> Namah Sivaya

> Freedom

>

> ________________________________

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

> vedic astrology ; sohamsa ;

 

> Monday, May 25, 2009 7:11:40 PM

> Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your

prediction on Chiranjeevi)

>

> Namaste,

>

> I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question. I am

cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from the mail.

>

> * * *

>

> For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is a

little background.

>

> I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi would come

into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political power. At the time of

that prediction, there were no such indications on the ground. But he did come

into politics in the same timeframe. The initial talk was in 2007, he finally

formed a party in 2008 and elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly,

he was elected as a legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

>

> Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped the ante

last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi' s party would do well in 2009

elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of success and did not

predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I was honestly expecting his

party to do better than they managed. Thus, the followup of my original

prediction is a failure.

> * * *

>

> It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political

predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth

etc in " regular " charts.

>

> In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and yet we are

eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad predictions with good data

too. Of course, it can be a human error in judging various factors. However,

that human error seems to be a little more common in high profile political

predictions than in regular predictions. What could be the reason?

>

> I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology plays a

bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and elaborate what I

mean.

>

> * * *

>

> One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous lives

using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this life. However, as

life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed in THIS life using one's

free will. What happens at any point of time in one's life is a function of ALL

actions committed by one until that point of time, INCLUDING the actions

committed in THIS life until now. Some key actions committed using one's free

will in THIS life, especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the

life events from then onwards.

>

> Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a catchup.

In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives which are to give

a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this life has little scope. When

the options available for the free will in this life are limited, there may not

be significant actions using free will and hence the modifications to destiny

based on actions of this life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be

sufficient to predict events.

>

> However, highly popular, successful and high profile public personalities may

have less restrictions and more options available for their free will. With

their free will being more free and powerful, the actions committed by their

free will may have a higher weightage. As we are able to see only their destiny

in the horoscope (free will exercise upto birth) and unable to factor in how

free will was exercised in this life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in

our predictions.

>

> Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the leader of

opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying some political

power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy that power. To predict

the specific degree of power and make an accurate prediction, is the horoscope

sufficient always? Could the exercise of free will in this life until now make a

difference in some high profile charts?

>

> * * *

>

> I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and answering it

myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for themselves.. .

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

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> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

>

> -

>

> Dear PVR garu,

>

> Namaste.

>

> If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

Chiranjeevi failed ?

>

> I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to understand if

> 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the correct

prediction to be best of your knowledge.

>

> I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know about

you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the failures are

not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack of knowledge.

>

> If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a problem. We

will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is available to us at this

age is very limited and may not be accurate.

>

> Best Regards,

> <deleted>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

--- On Sun, 31/5/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:

 

 

Freedom is life style to live every one. It is naturality if leaving thing.

then I think every houman being to live freedom and confortebal, happy.

 

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

[vedic astrology] Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re:

Your prediction on Chiranjeevi)

sohamsa , vedic astrology ,

 

Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 5:05 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Freedom,

 

It is good to hear from you.

 

Just for the record, I want to state that I agree with Freedom's point. The

charts of other people involved also matter. The charts of countries, political

parties, opponents and supporting leaders also matter. I have no disagreement

there.

 

* * *

 

But this is orthogonal to my main point.

 

Though we are including more factors above, we are still talking of horoscopes,

i.e. static snapshots of accumulated actions (destiny). My question is: Does

destiny get modified during one's lifetime due to one's newer actions in that

life? Is there a set of possibilities in one's life and does the exact result

vary within the set of possibilities based on one's actions, or are the exact

results fixed?

 

If you pick the latter, the next question is: Do you then believe in remedies?

What are you trying to do with remedies?

 

* * *

 

> If I remember correctly Narasimha, you had accurately

> predicted that Bush would win a second term based

> on the chart of United States.

 

Yes, I predicted that in 2004, mostly using the charts of Bush and Kerry and NOT

using US chart. In fact, I do not trust any US chart out there. I tried several

of them, but was not satisfied with any of them.

 

But I did use mundane charts like the lunar new year chart and, more

importantly, placement of planets in an eclipse chart in Washington DC just

before the 2004 elections. I suppose that is what you are referring to.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa@ .com, Freedomji <freeflowaum@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> " It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political

predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth

etc in " regular " charts. "

>

> I agree with the fact that high profile people/politicians are harder to make

predictions about. I wouldn't agree that free-will is the cause of this.

Instead, my observation has been more that the politician is relating to a

representative body. In a battle, it doesn't matter only what the individual's

chart says, it also matters what the opositions chart says-they could both be in

good dashas- but one is better. In becoming the elected leader of a people, the

karma of the country as a whole influences the outcome. A country destined to

poverty will elect a leader who will take them there, or whatevere the karma may

be. The leader is only representing some larger karma. I have noticed that the

chart of a president severely impacts a country's events, as well as a country's

chart severely impacts a presidents life.

>

> If I remember correctly Narasimha, you had accurately predicted that Bush

would win a second term based on the chart of United States.

>

> In this way, a politician or high profile personality is more controlled and

influenced by larger bodies of karma outside themselves, and these need to be

taken into account when making predictions. I could only imagine if Obama did

everything he wanted to do, but he is so limited and controlled by the

ideologies of two political parties- and the job of making each of them happy.

>

> Namah Sivaya

> Freedom

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

> vedic astrology; sohamsa@ .com; @

. com

> Monday, May 25, 2009 7:11:40 PM

> Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your

prediction on Chiranjeevi)

>

> Namaste,

>

> I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question. I am

cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from the mail.

>

> * * *

>

> For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is a

little background.

>

> I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi would come

into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political power. At the time of

that prediction, there were no such indications on the ground. But he did come

into politics in the same timeframe. The initial talk was in 2007, he finally

formed a party in 2008 and elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly,

he was elected as a legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

>

> Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped the ante

last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi' s party would do well in 2009

elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of success and did not

predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I was honestly expecting his

party to do better than they managed. Thus, the followup of my original

prediction is a failure.

> * * *

>

> It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political

predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth

etc in " regular " charts.

>

> In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and yet we are

eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad predictions with good data

too. Of course, it can be a human error in judging various factors. However,

that human error seems to be a little more common in high profile political

predictions than in regular predictions. What could be the reason?

>

> I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology plays a

bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and elaborate what I

mean.

>

> * * *

>

> One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous lives

using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this life. However, as

life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed in THIS life using one's

free will. What happens at any point of time in one's life is a function of ALL

actions committed by one until that point of time, INCLUDING the actions

committed in THIS life until now. Some key actions committed using one's free

will in THIS life, especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the

life events from then onwards.

>

> Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a catchup.

In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives which are to give

a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this life has little scope. When

the options available for the free will in this life are limited, there may not

be significant actions using free will and hence the modifications to destiny

based on actions of this life may not be big enough.. Thus, horoscope may be

sufficient to predict events.

>

> However, highly popular, successful and high profile public personalities may

have less restrictions and more options available for their free will. With

their free will being more free and powerful, the actions committed by their

free will may have a higher weightage. As we are able to see only their destiny

in the horoscope (free will exercise upto birth) and unable to factor in how

free will was exercised in this life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in

our predictions.

>

> Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the leader of

opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying some political

power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy that power. To predict

the specific degree of power and make an accurate prediction, is the horoscope

sufficient always? Could the exercise of free will in this life until now make a

difference in some high profile charts?

>

> * * *

>

> I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and answering it

myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for themselves.. .

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

>

> -

>

> Dear PVR garu,

>

> Namaste.

>

> If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

Chiranjeevi failed ?

>

> I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to understand if

> 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the correct

prediction to be best of your knowledge.

>

> I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know about

you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the failures are

not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack of knowledge.

>

> If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a problem. We

will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is available to us at this

age is very limited and may not be accurate.

>

> Best Regards,

> <deleted>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Free Will is also written in Horoscopes.

 

regards,

Lalit

 

sohamsa , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote:

>

> Namaste Freedomji

>  

>  agree with the fact that high profile people/politicians are harder to make

predictions about. I wouldn't agree that free-will is the cause of this.

Instead, my observation has been more that the politician is relating to

a representative body. In a battle, it doesn't matter only what the individual's

chart says, it also matters what the opositions chart says-they could both be in

good dashas- but one is better. In becoming the elected leader of a people, the

karma of the country as a whole influences the outcome. A country destined

to poverty will elect a leader who will take them there, or whatevere the karma

may be. The leader is only representing some larger karma. I have noticed that

the chart of a president severely impacts a country's events, as well as a

country's chart severely impacts a presidents life.

>

>  

> VERY VERY valid point I must say! As it, finding out an individuals karma with

respect to the amount of freewill is difficult, now considering the interplay of

karma between people, bodies, organizations, etc etc, its mind bogglingg!!

>  

> -Regards

>  Rajarshi

>  

> -Regards

>

>

> The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra

>

> --- On Sun, 31/5/09, Freedomji <freeflowaum wrote:

>

>

> Freedomji <freeflowaum

> Re: Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your

prediction on Chiranjeevi)

> sohamsa

> Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 3:44 AM

>

>

>

>

Hare Rama Krsna

>  

> " It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political

predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth

etc in " regular " charts. "

>  

> I agree with the fact that high profile people/politicians are harder to make

predictions about. I wouldn't agree that free-will is the cause of this.

Instead, my observation has been more that the politician is relating to

a representative body. In a battle, it doesn't matter only what the individual's

chart says, it also matters what the opositions chart says-they could both be in

good dashas- but one is better. In becoming the elected leader of a people, the

karma of the country as a whole influences the outcome. A country destined

to poverty will elect a leader who will take them there, or whatevere the karma

may be. The leader is only representing some larger karma. I have noticed that

the chart of a president severely impacts a country's events, as well as a

country's chart severely impacts a presidents life.

>  

> If I remember correctly Narasimha, you had accurately predicted that Bush

would win a second term based on the chart of United States.

>  

> In this way, a politician or high profile personality is more controlled and

influenced by larger bodies of karma outside themselves, and these need to be

taken into account when making predictions. I could only imagine if Obama did

everything he wanted to do, but he is so limited and controlled by the

ideologies of two political parties- and the job of making each of them happy. 

>  

> Namah Sivaya

> Freedom  

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>

> vedic astrology; sohamsa@ .com; @

. com

> Monday, May 25, 2009 7:11:40 PM

> Horoscope, free will and high profile charts (Re: Your

prediction on Chiranjeevi)

>

>

>

>

> Namaste,

>  

> I will share some freewheeling thoughts, in response to your question. I am

cc'ing this to some astrology lists after removing your name from the mail.

>  

>

> *        *        *

>  

> For those who are unaware of the prediction referred to below, here is a

little background.

>  

> I had predicted in print in 2000 that Telugu film actor Chiranjeevi would come

into politics in 2007-2009 and and enjoy some political power. At the time of

that prediction, there were no such indications on the ground. But he did come

into politics in the same timeframe. The initial talk was in 2007, he finally

formed a party in 2008 and elections were in 2009. Though his party did badly,

he was elected as a legislator (MLA) in May 2009.

>  

> Thus, the original prediction was quite successful. However, I upped the ante

last year by suggesting that Chiranjeevi' s party would do well in 2009

elections. Though I was not specific regarding his level of success and did not

predict that he would become the Chief Minister, I was honestly expecting his

party to do better than they managed. Thus, the followup of my original

prediction is a failure.

>  *        *        *

>  

> It is my personal observation that the success rate in high profile political

predictions is less than in regular predictions like marriage, job, childbirth

etc in " regular " charts.

>  

> In some cases, the reason is that the birthdata is not accurate and yet we are

eager to make predictions. But sometimes we make bad predictions with good data

too. Of course, it can be a human error in judging various factors. However,

that human error seems to be a little more common in high profile political

predictions than in regular predictions. What could be the reason?

>  

> I wonder if the factor of free will that is left out of astrology plays a

bigger role in political charts. I will try to think loud and elaborate what I

mean.

>  

> *        *        *

>  

> One's birth chart contains the list of actions committed in previous lives

using one's free will that are to give their reactions in this life. However, as

life goes on, one accumulates newer actions committed in THIS life using one's

free will. What happens at any point of time in one's life is a function of ALL

actions committed by one until that point of time, INCLUDING the actions

committed in THIS life until now. Some key actions committed using one's free

will in THIS life, especially at important crossroads in life, should impact the

life events from then onwards.

>  

> Many people are weighed down by too many karmas and always playing a catchup.

In other words, destiny (sum of the actions of previous lives which are to give

a reaction now) is too weighty and free will in this life has little scope. When

the options available for the free will in this life are limited, there may not

be significant actions using free will and hence the modifications to destiny

based on actions of this life may not be big enough. Thus, horoscope may be

sufficient to predict events.

>  

> However, highly popular, successful and high profile public personalities may

have less restrictions and more options available for their free will. With

their free will being more free and powerful, the actions committed by their

free will may have a higher weightage. As we are able to see only their destiny

in the horoscope (free will exercise upto birth) and unable to factor in how

free will was exercised in this life until now, we are perhaps handicapped in

our predictions.

>  

> Whether a political leader is in limelight and becomes MP or the leader of

opposition in parliament or the Prime Minister, he is enjoying some political

power. Previous karmas placed him in a position to enjoy that power. To predict

the specific degree of power and make an accurate prediction, is the horoscope

sufficient always? Could the exercise of free will in this life until now make a

difference in some high profile charts?

>  

> *        *        *

>  

> I am just thinking loud here. Rather than posing a question and answering it

myself, I will let learned friends ponder on this for themselves.. .

>  

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

>

>

> -

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear PVR garu,

>  

> Namaste.

>  

> If you don't mind, could you please look in to why your prediction on

Chiranjeevi failed ?

>  

> I am not asking this question with a wrong intent. I wanted to understand if

> 1) It is a human error (May be you ignored some data ? )

> 2) You still can't understand why it failed and you think that was the correct

prediction to be best of your knowledge.

>  

> I had a 50-50 faith on astrology 3 years ago and after coming to know about

you / your lessons I developed strong faith and I thought all the failures are

not because of astrology but because of astrologer's lack of knowledge.

>  

> If it is case #1, it is okay. But if it is case #2, then we have a problem. We

will have to conclude that the Jyotish knowledge that is available to us at this

age is very limited and may not be accurate.

>  

> Best Regards,

> <deleted>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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