Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 as far as mr kulbir's assertion that the rationalist society offered 30 lakhs to anyone who predicted number of seats, i have a few comments to make 1. sanjay ji on his website clearly predicted a win for the congress( with just the pre-election allies)..2 months before the results 2. there is no one in this world, no science including medical sceince and even physics, which is absolute and gives 100% result 3. consider this: if some one can tell about your brothers and sisters, parents, jobs, and a whole lot of other things just by knowing your time/place of birth, there must be some truth to it 4. what we indians are actually doing wrong is forgetting the knowledge of our great rishis and blindly following the west's version of Rationalism. the entire creation, my freind kulbir is irrational, no law in physics remains rational for 3-4 centuries, but astrological principles remain the same for thousands of years 5. just as there are good doctors and bad doctors and just as doctors only hope that patient willl recover after giving medicines, the same is with astrologers..remedies may work and may not, depending on the experience of the astrologer and his willingness to accept his mistake. sohamsa , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > Lord Krishna in Gita ch 17 sloka 8 says: > > 'Foods dear to those in the mode of goodness increase the duration > of life ,purify one's existence and give strength , health ,happiness ans > satisfaction.Such foods are juicy ,fatty ,wholesome and pleasing to the heart.' > > Birth chart gives indications based on Karma done in previous life , whatever Karma one does > in present life , do alter the picture in significant manner.Lord says so.This is the reason that > remedies do work > Can Prasana chart help us in this aspect of life. > Regards > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > ________________________________ > kulbir bance <kulbirbance > > Wednesday, 3 June, 2009 1:24:21 PM > Re: Upayagers or Astrologers ? > > > > > > Respected Mr. Finn, in the recently concluded parliamentary elections > in india, the Rationalist Society's Calcutta branch announced Rs. 30 > lakh cash prize to any astrologer who could predict the exact no. of > seats which BJP or Congress would win. Or predict the percentage of > votes by which 3-4 major candidates for the post of PM would win. > Needless to say no one succeded. The punjab chapter president Mr. > Bargari has a standing offer of a huge sum of prize money to any > astrologer who could predict the exact date of a person's death or > prove accuracy of predictive astrology by foretelling any such major > event. We have claims of some true predictions by some astrologers but > that very astrologer who succeded 1-2 times failed in about 98% of > other predictions. So much to say about pinpoint predictions. Regards. > Kulbir. > > On 6/2/09, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ mail.dk> wrote: > > Dear Members, > > > > The discussion going on at the moment is very interesting to follow. The > > importance of Tewa Darusthi is being emphasized, which is always very > > good, since Lal Kitab is an Ascendant-based kind of astrology. I have > > been able to notice bad examples of Lal Kitab astrologers giving out > > Upayas to people without doing any kind of Tewa Darusthi. This means > > these ignorant astrologers cannot possibly be sure if the chart is > > correctly calculated or not. > > > > As a matter of fact this is not the first time a problem like this have > > been seen in India. Around the 7th century AD the great > > astronomer/astrolog er Varaha Mihira wrote that a miscalculation of an > > astrologer is as sinful as the murder of a Brahmin. Actually, I think > > this proves that there was astrologers who was indiscriminately using > > wrong chart even at the time of Varaha Mihira. Otherwise he would never > > have given such a strong statement. > > > > My personal opinion is that any astrologer who is using an > > Ascendant-based kind of astrology without verifying whether or not the > > Ascendant is correct is nothing but a big charlatan. However, this goes > > on every day and it surely gives a bad name to Lal Kitab, when the > > charlatans belong to this category of astrologers. Anyway, there is not > > so much we can do about this problem, except to do our very best when > > we, who are supposed to be the good guys, do the horoscopes ourselves. > > But are we really doing our best, or are some of us perhaps getting a > > little lazy? This is actually a very important question. Since - after > > all - no astrologer, however big or famous, is any better than the last > > horoscope he did. > > > > There is a certain critizism about Lal Kitab astrologers that I have > > often among the other kinds of Hindu astrologers and even among some few > > western astrologers as well. They say, when you consult a Lal Kitab > > astrologer, he will ask you a number of highly relevant questions about > > your life, which clearly confirms the correctness of your chart, and he > > would even pin-point at certain events going on in certain years of the > > past. He may even say thing about the present situations, being > > precisely correct. But when it comes to the future, he either can or > > will not give any predictions at all, but rather gives a large number of > > Upayas (remedies) to guard agains any bad elements in the near future, > > normally without even telling what malefic event the remedy is supposed > > to guard against. > > > > No doubt a lot of relevant things are being said during an Lal Kitab > > consultation. I mean say, if Saturn is malefic in the 6th in the > > Varshphal we would caution against buying new leather shoes in that > > year. This is in my opinion a good and sound piece of astrological > > advice. And we have a lot of relevant information like that to share > > with our clients. But given the knowledge about the past and present > > that we present to the client, isn't it only natural that he/she also > > expect something like that to be said about the future? And not only > > Upayas, however relevant they may be. > > > > I think there is some element of truth is this critizism against Lal > > Kitab astrologers. If I am right then we need to ask ourselves some > > questions: Are we becoming so arrogant against astrology that we no > > longer care about giving predictions about the future? Did Pt. Roop > > Chand Joshi ever say anything against giving predictions about the > > future? (Except of course that predictions should be given with due > > caution and all the necessary ethical consideration, etc. etc.). Are we > > somehow forgetting what it means to be astrologers? Are we developing > > into Upayagers rather then Astrologers? > > > > Best regards, > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel http://in.travel./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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