Re:Mandi

July 30, 2009

Dear RAO JI,

You are right . Mandi is the middle point of

Gulika portion,

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

________________________________

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao

revati_energetics_true_vedic_astrology

Thursday, 30 July, 2009 3:03:16 PM

Re: [revati_energetics_true_vedic_astrology] Kuch lethe kyon nahi

Dear Goel Ji,

That is why I am telling from all these days that we have to consider Mandi for

predictions and not Gulika as in Prashna Margam,the author considers Gulika and

Mandi as one and the same.

Gulika Kala is given in all our South Indian Panchangas and calenders also.

With Regards,

Ramadas Rao.

________________________________

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrology

Cc: astrologyandremedie s ; vedic astrology;

sohamsa <sohamsa@ .com>

Thursday, 30 July, 2009 3:44:56 AM

[revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrology] Kuch lethe kyon nahi

Dear Rao ji,

The similar line is toed by Phaldeepika and

uttarkalamirta.

There is absolutely no controversy on the first

table drawn by you.

In second table the learned Acharya indicated the values

assuming the dinman or Ratriman as 30(thirty) ghatika.

These value will give the middle point if we replace

30 ghatika with 32 ghatika.Then, every thing seems logical.

The ghatikas given in your second table will then give the sputa's of the middle

points of the portions of respective planets.This was

discussed in THE jAGANNATH hORA FOURUM,and JH-Hora

program follows it.

As portion of Saturn as a whole is called Gulika Kala and is

considered as most fear some , the latter authorities reach

to the consensus that the sphut of initial point may be considered

as Gulika point. And Middle point of Gulika portion may be called

as 'MANDI' point where maximum poison of this portion is concentrated.

The question arises , the effect of placement of Gulika point are given in many

Jatak Grantha like , BPHS, pRASANMARG , PHALDEEPIKA and so on. If we take Gulika

, the initial point of gulika portion,the effects will be mild and if we take

Mandi point , the effects will be very harsh and much more evil compared to the

placement of Gulika (initial) point..

In all fareness Gulkesa should be the planet which is the dispositor

of Mandi ,repeat, Mandi point.

As portions of all planets follow consecutively in the zodiac,

the bad effect of Gulika portion will ONLY be felt when a planet is located in

gulika portion like zodical signs.The rule of conjuction will not apply.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

________________________________

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in>

revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrology

Thursday, 30 July, 2009 12:58:25 AM

Re: [revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrology] Note on Kaala Vela

calculation

Dear Revati Ji,and other members of this list,

I have culled some important informations from ancient texts regarding Gulika

Kala/Vela and Mandi.Please go through this article and check whether the

calculations given here will match with JH software.

GULIKA KALA and MANDI

Here is a Shloka regarding Gulika Kala which should be avoided during auspicious

celeberations- Muhurta :

à¤¨à¤¿à¤°à¥‚à¤ªà¥à¤¯à¤¤à¥‡à¥¤

à¤—à¤£à¤¯à¥‡à¤¤à¥ à¤•à¥à¤°à¤®à¤¾à¤¤à¥à¥¤

ravivÄrÄdiÅ›anyantaá¹ gulikÄdi nirÅ«pyate|

divasÄnaá¹£á¹adhÄ bhaktvÄ vÄreÅ›Äd gaá¹‡ayet kramÄt|

To find out the Gulika Kala from Sunday to Saturday, we have to divide the day

into 8 parts.For 1st part,the day Lord becomes the Lord.Then for other

parts,consecutively other day Lords becomes Lords.So 8th part will not have any

Lord.So this is a part of the day without any planetary Lord.

aá¹£á¹amÄá¹Å›o nirÄ«Å›aá¸¥syÄt Å›yanyaá¹to gulikaá¸¥ smrutaá¸¥ |

rÄtrimapyaá¹£á¹adhÄ krutvÄ vÄreÅ›Ät paá¹camÄditaá¸¥ |

Meaning in a day time,the 8th portion of Shani is called Gulika Kala.Similarly

we have to divide the night duration into 8 parts.Then for the 1st portion,5th

day lord from that day will become the Lord of that portion.So similarly the 8th

portion will not have any day Lord.

à¤ªà¤°à¤¿à¤•à¥€à¤°à¥à¤¤à¤¿à¤¤à¤ƒà¥¤

à¤—à¥à¤°à¥à¤µà¤‚à¤¶à¥‹ à¤¯à¤®à¤•à¤‚à¤Ÿà¤•à¤ƒà¥¤

gaá¹‡ayedaá¹£á¹amaá¸¥ khaná¸o niá¹£patiá¸¥ parikÄ«rtitaá¸¥|

Å›anyaá¹Å›o gulikaá¸¥ prokto ravyaá¹Å›aá¸¥ kÄlasaá¹jnakaá¸¥ ||

bhaumÄá¹Å›o mrutyurÄdiá¹£á¹o gurvaá¹Å›o yamakaá¹á¹akaá¸¥|

saumyÄá¹Å›o ardha prÄharakaá¸¥ svasvadeÅ›od bhavaá¸¥ sphuá¹aá¸¥ ||

Meaning either in day time or night time,the 8th portion of Saturn is called

Gulika Kala,Sunâ€™s portion as Kala,Kuja/Marsâ€™ portion as Mrityu,Budha/

Mercuryâ€™s portion as Ardha Prahara,Guru/ Jupiterâ€™s portion is called as Yama

Kantaka.these have to be calculated as per each placeâ€™s day and night time

durations.

à¤µà¤¿à¤¨à¤¶à¥à¤¯à¤¤à¤¿à¥¥

guliko nÄá¸ikÄ mÄtrasthÄyÄ« tyÄjyassvayatnataá¸¥|

atastadudaye karmakrutaá¹ sarvaá¹ vinaÅ›yati||

Meaning,Gulika Kala has to be avoided in all auspicious celebrations. Any

auspicious celebration done during Gulika Kala/Vela becomes a waste and will

remove all the good results of such auspicious function.

Table of Gulika Kala

Week Day Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday

Ghatikas in day time 22 Â½ - 26 Â¼ 18 Â¾ - 22 Â½ 15 â€“ 18 Â¾ 11 Â¼ - 15 7

Â½ - 11 Â¼

Ghatikas in Night time 7 Â½ - 11 1/4 3 Â¾ - 7 Â½ 0 - 3 Â¾ 22 Â½ - 26 Â¼ 18

Â¾ - 22 Â½

Week Day Friday Saturday

Ghatikas in day time 3 Â¾ - 7 Â½ 0 â€“ 3 Â¾

Ghatikas in Night 15 â€“ 18 Â¾ 11 Â¼ - 15

Now let us see the calculations for Mandi.

à¤•à¥à¤°à¤®à¥‡à¤£à¤°à¥à¤•à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾à¤¤à¥à¥¤

à¤•à¤¾à¤°à¥à¤¯à¥Œ à¤¨à¤¿à¤¶à¤¾à¤¯à¤¾à¤‚ à¤¤à¥

caraá¹ rudradÄsyaá¹ ghaá¹aá¹ nityatÄnaá¹ khanirmÄndi nÄá¸yaá¸¥

krameá¹‡arkavÄrÄt|

aharmÄna vrudhdhiká¹£ayaua tatra kÄryau niÅ›ÄyÄá¹ tu

vÄreÅ›varÄtpaá¹camÄdyÄá¸¥ ||

Meaning when the day duration and night duration is 30 Ghatikas, we have to see

Gulikaâ€™s rise starting from Sunday,from Sun rise,day rising Ghatika and from

Sun set,night rising Ghatikas and these are given in the following table :

Mandi Rising Time in Ghatikas

Week Day Day Duration Night Duration

Sunday

Monday

Tuesday

Wednesday

Thursday

Friday

Saturday

26

22

18

14

10

6

2 10

6

2

26

22

18

14

Please note that 1 Ghatika = 24 Mins.of time duration.

I hope this helps all.

With Regards,

Ramadas Rao.

________________________________

" revati_energetics@ ymail.com " <revati_energetics@ ymail.com>

revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrology

Tuesday, 28 July, 2009 12:14:34 PM

[revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrology] Note on Kaala Vela

calculation

Dear All,

there are two calculation options regarding Kaala Velas:

(1) Taking the starting point of the daily portion of the Graha, and

(2) Taing the middle point of this portion.

In Jagannatha Hora, the setting is " middle portion " - but you can change

it to " beginning " .

(Preferences -> Upagraha Calculation Options -> Kala, Mrityu rise at the

.... (beginning))

Taking the middle point is one view, if we see the 8 daily periods of

the Grahas (not equal to the 12 planetary Horas!) as " fields " . As we

know, the middle of a field is strongest, e.g. 15Â° in each Rashi is

the strongest placement within this Rashi. This way one could interpret

the 8 daily periods as fields, too, and compute the Kaala Velas to the

middle of this period.

For Saturn's daily period this would give " Gulika " for the starting

point and " Mandi " for the middle point.

Obviously in vedic astrology tradition some astrologers defined both as

the same, others not.

Sure is, who uses Mandi - the middle portion of Saturn - has to do so

with all other planetary portions, too.

Why taking only Saturn's middle portion, Mandi - and not all other six

ones?

There are *seven* Kaala Velas ( " co-Grahas " ) in summary.

Nevertheless, BPHS teaches to take the starting point of the daily

planetary 1/8 portion (the last portion is lordless, always). This makes

sense, too:

If we look at Dasha sequences, we see that in most Dashas the starting

point of it is the " strongest one " ,

e.g. if a Jupiter MD starts, the first AD is of Jupiter, too (and PD,

SD). Or Taurus MD, start, first AD of Taurus.

With this perspective the beginning of a period is stronger (full

Jupiter, or Taurus influence, later other Graha and Rashi periods).

As Kaala Velas are derived from *periods* it makes more sense in my view

to take the starting point for Kaala Vela computation - and BPHS teaches

exactly this.

Best Regards,

Revati

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July 30, 2009

Dear RAO JI,You are right . Mandi is the middle point ofGulika portion,Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIARamadas Rao <ramadasraorevati_energetics_true_vedic_astrology Sent: Thursday, 30 July, 2009 3:03:16 PMRe: [revati_energetics_true_vedic_astrology] Kuch lethe kyon nahi

Dear Goel Ji,

That is why I am telling from all these days that we have to consider Mandi for predictions and not Gulika as in Prashna Margam,the author considers Gulika and Mandi as one and the same.

Gulika Kala is given in all our South Indian Panchangas and calenders also.

With Regards,

Ramadas Rao.

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in>revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrologyCc: astrologyandremedie s ; vedic astrology; sohamsa <sohamsa@ .com>Thursday, 30 July, 2009 3:44:56 AM[revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrology] Kuch lethe kyon nahi

Dear Rao ji,The similar line is toed by Phaldeepika anduttarkalamirta.There is absolutely no controversy on the first table drawn by you.In second table the learned Acharya indicated the valuesassuming the dinman or Ratriman as 30(thirty) ghatika.These value will give the middle point if we replace 30 ghatika with 32 ghatika.Then, every thing seems logical.The ghatikas given in your second table will then give the sputa's of the middle points of the portions of respective planets.This was discussed in THE jAGANNATH hORA FOURUM,and JH-Hora program follows it.As portion of Saturn as a whole is called Gulika Kala and isconsidered as most fear some , the latter authorities reachto the consensus that the sphut of initial point may be consideredas Gulika point.

And

Middle point of Gulika portion may be calledas 'MANDI' point where maximum poison of this portion is concentrated.The question arises , the effect of placement of Gulika point are given in many Jatak Grantha like , BPHS, pRASANMARG , PHALDEEPIKA and so on. If we take Gulika , the initial point of gulika portion,the effects will be mild and if we take Mandi point , the effects will be very harsh and much more evil compared to theplacement of Gulika (initial) point.In all fareness Gulkesa should be the planet which is the dispositorof Mandi ,repeat, Mandi point.As portions of all planets follow consecutively in the zodiac,the bad effect of Gulika portion will ONLY be felt when a planet is located in gulika portion like zodical signs.The rule of conjuction will not apply.Regards,

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in>revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrologyThursday, 30 July, 2009 12:58:25 AMRe: [revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrology] Note on Kaala Vela calculation

Dear Revati Ji,and other members of this list,

I have culled some important informations from ancient texts regarding Gulika Kala/Vela and Mandi.Please go through this article and check whether the calculations given here will match with JH software.

GULIKA KALA and MANDI

Here is a Shloka regarding Gulika Kala which should be avoided during auspicious celeberations- Muhurta :

ravivÄrÄdiÅ›anyantaá¹ gulikÄdi nirÅ«pyate|

divasÄnaá¹£á¹adhÄ bhaktvÄ vÄreÅ›Äd gaá¹‡ayet kramÄt|

To find out the Gulika Kala from Sunday to Saturday, we have to divide the day into 8 parts.For 1st part,the day Lord becomes the Lord.Then for other parts,consecutively other day Lords becomes Lords.So 8th part will not have any Lord.So this is a part of the day without any planetary Lord.

aá¹£á¹amÄá¹Å›o nirÄ«Å›aá¸¥syÄt Å›yanyaá¹to gulikaá¸¥ smrutaá¸¥ |

rÄtrimapyaá¹£á¹adhÄ krutvÄ vÄreÅ›Ät paá¹camÄditaá¸¥ |

Meaning in a day time,the 8th portion of Shani is called Gulika Kala.Similarly we have to divide the night duration into 8 parts.Then for the 1st portion,5th day lord from that day will become the Lord of that portion.So similarly the 8th portion will not have any day Lord.

gaá¹‡ayedaá¹£á¹amaá¸¥ khaná¸o niá¹£patiá¸¥ parikÄ«rtitaá¸¥|

Å›anyaá¹Å›o gulikaá¸¥ prokto ravyaá¹Å›aá¸¥ kÄlasaá¹jnakaá¸¥ ||

bhaumÄá¹Å›o mrutyurÄdiá¹£á¹o gurvaá¹Å›o yamakaá¹á¹akaá¸¥|

saumyÄá¹Å›o ardha prÄharakaá¸¥ svasvadeÅ›od bhavaá¸¥ sphuá¹aá¸¥ ||

Meaning either in day time or night time,the 8th portion of Saturn is called Gulika Kala,Sunâ€™s portion as Kala,Kuja/Marsâ€™ portion as Mrityu,Budha/ Mercuryâ€™s portion as Ardha Prahara,Guru/ Jupiterâ€™s portion is called as Yama Kantaka.these have to be calculated as per each placeâ€™s day and night time durations.

guliko nÄá¸ikÄ mÄtrasthÄyÄ« tyÄjyassvayatnataá¸¥|

atastadudaye karmakrutaá¹ sarvaá¹ vinaÅ›yati||

Meaning,Gulika Kala has to be avoided in all auspicious celebrations. Any auspicious celebration done during Gulika Kala/Vela becomes a waste and will remove all the good results of such auspicious function.

Table of Gulika Kala

Week Day

Sunday

Monday

Tuesday

Wednesday

Thursday

Ghatikas in day time

22 Â½ - 26 Â¼

18 Â¾ - 22 Â½

15 â€“ 18 Â¾

11 Â¼ - 15

7 Â½ - 11 Â¼

Ghatikas in Night time

7 Â½ - 11 1/4

3 Â¾ - 7 Â½

0 - 3 Â¾

22 Â½ - 26 Â¼

18 Â¾ - 22 Â½

Week Day

Friday

Saturday

Ghatikas in day time

3 Â¾ - 7 Â½

0 â€“ 3 Â¾

Ghatikas in Night

15 â€“ 18 Â¾

11 Â¼ - 15

Now let us see the calculations for Mandi.

caraá¹ rudradÄsyaá¹ ghaá¹aá¹ nityatÄnaá¹ khanirmÄndi nÄá¸yaá¸¥ krameá¹‡arkavÄrÄt|

aharmÄna vrudhdhiká¹£ayaua tatra kÄryau niÅ›ÄyÄá¹ tu vÄreÅ›varÄtpaá¹camÄdyÄá¸¥ ||

Meaning when the day duration and night duration is 30 Ghatikas, we have to see Gulikaâ€™s rise starting from Sunday,from Sun rise,day rising Ghatika and from Sun set,night rising Ghatikas and these are given in the following table :

Mandi Rising Time in Ghatikas

Week Day

Day Duration

Night Duration

Sunday

Monday

Tuesday

Wednesday

Thursday

Friday

Saturday

26

22

18

14

10

6

2

10

6

2

26

22

18

14

Please note that 1 Ghatika = 24 Mins.of time duration.

I hope this helps all.

With Regards,

Ramadas Rao..

"revati_energetics@ ymail.com" <revati_energetics@ ymail.com>revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrologyTuesday, 28 July, 2009 12:14:34 PM[revati_energetics_ true_vedic_ astrology] Note on Kaala Vela calculation

Dear All,there are two calculation options regarding Kaala Velas:(1) Taking the starting point of the daily portion of the Graha, and(2) Taing the middle point of this portion.In Jagannatha Hora, the setting is "middle portion" - but you can changeit to "beginning".(Preferences -> Upagraha Calculation Options -> Kala, Mrityu rise at the... (beginning))Taking the middle point is one view, if we see the 8 daily periods ofthe Grahas (not equal to the 12 planetary Horas!) as "fields". As weknow, the middle of a field is strongest, e.g. 15Â° in each Rashi isthe strongest placement within this Rashi. This way one could interpretthe 8 daily periods as fields, too, and compute the Kaala Velas to themiddle of this period.For Saturn's daily period this would give "Gulika" for the startingpoint and "Mandi" for the middle point.Obviously in vedic astrology tradition some

astrologers defined both asthe same, others not.Sure is, who uses Mandi - the middle portion of Saturn - has to do sowith all other planetary portions, too.Why taking only Saturn's middle portion, Mandi - and not all other sixones?There are *seven* Kaala Velas ("co-Grahas" ) in summary.Nevertheless, BPHS teaches to take the starting point of the dailyplanetary 1/8 portion (the last portion is lordless, always). This makessense, too:If we look at Dasha sequences, we see that in most Dashas the startingpoint of it is the "strongest one",e.g. if a Jupiter MD starts, the first AD is of Jupiter, too (and PD,SD). Or Taurus MD, start, first AD of Taurus.With this perspective the beginning of a period is stronger (fullJupiter, or Taurus influence, later other Graha and Rashi periods).As Kaala Velas are derived from *periods* it makes more sense in my viewto take the starting

point for Kaala Vela computation - and BPHS teachesexactly this.Best Regards,Revati

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