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Dear Sarbani Rath

 

Sanjay ji and PVR ji views about jaimini and parashara sharing the same jyotish

principles can be seen in the books authored by them resepectively.

 

1.crux of vedic astrology

2.Astrology-An integrated approach

 

You can check the first few pages of the book for this information.

 

Thanks

 

Vishnu

 

 

sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Shanmukha,

>

> You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the

> same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested

> to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha

> never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has

> never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

>

> Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> http://sagittariuspublications.com

>

> Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

>

> Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

>

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> teli Shanmukha

> 02 August 2009 19:40

> sohamsa

> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

>

>

>

>

>

Om Namah Sivaya

>

>

>

> Namaste Goel Ji,

>

>

>

> I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha

> wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators

> had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a

> scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only

> said time will prove his findings.

>

>

>

> By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> different from what is existing.

>

>

>

> I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira

> dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same

> science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

>

>

>

> I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a

> try.

>

>

>

> Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful

> commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he

> has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't

> mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As a

> matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble

> opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> anything on a rasi dasa.

>

>

>

> I seek your blessings.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Shanmukha

>

> --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

>

> Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

> Re :Sthir dasa

> teli_sha2002

> Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa >

> Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

>

> DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

>

> NO BODY IS LAYING.

>

> Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

>

> You will get the results.

>

> Regards.

>

> G.K.GOEL

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.

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>

>

> _____

>

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>

>

>

>

>

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Om Namah Sivaya

 

Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

 

OH, is it?

 

Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different

systems? "

 

If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and seek

excuses from anyone concerned.

 

If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't you?)

declare your stand on this, once for all?

 

If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

 

Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some explanation

in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

 

Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why don't

you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is the Guru and

Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge and discussion

they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

 

I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

 

I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in understanding

this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from Sanjay as well apart

from my Guru. As you know so many students are Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they

read his books.

 

Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was

written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will

definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

 

I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha saying

that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini

ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded

or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this. So, I

differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote one and the same

system.

 

If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively

written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini

wrote the same science.

 

Warm Regards,

Shanmukha

 

 

sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Shanmukha,

>

> You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the

> same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested

> to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha

> never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has

> never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

>

> Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> http://sagittariuspublications.com

>

> Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

>

> Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

>

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> teli Shanmukha

> 02 August 2009 19:40

> sohamsa

> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

>

>

>

>

>

Om Namah Sivaya

>

>

>

> Namaste Goel Ji,

>

>

>

> I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha

> wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators

> had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a

> scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only

> said time will prove his findings.

>

>

>

> By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> different from what is existing.

>

>

>

> I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira

> dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same

> science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

>

>

>

> I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a

> try.

>

>

>

> Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful

> commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he

> has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't

> mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As a

> matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble

> opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> anything on a rasi dasa.

>

>

>

> I seek your blessings.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Shanmukha

>

> --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

>

> Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

> Re :Sthir dasa

> teli_sha2002

> Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa >

> Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

>

> DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

>

> NO BODY IS LAYING.

>

> Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

>

> You will get the results.

>

> Regards.

>

> G.K.GOEL

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.

> Click here

> <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> .

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.

> Click here

> <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> .

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.

> Click here

> <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> .

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Hare Rama Krsna

 

From my understanding, proper study of both texts makes it apparent that no where do Jaimini or Parashara contradict each other, and that Jaimini is elaborating what has been said by his guru/paramguru Parashara. In the teachings of Guruji (Sri Sanjay Rath), where weeks are spent on small sections of MJUS, never have I seen any teaching not complement the teachings of Parashara/BPHS.

 

Such scholars as Pingree may state that BPHS was "written" in the 800-850 time period, others may say it was "compiled" in that time period, but the teaching and techniques are extremely older-that is another topic.

 

Just a small point that I need to mention in your thinking: "No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini."

 

Parashara never says he created this science, nor does Jiamini. Parashara often states "according to the sages", or other such statements which infer he is refering to his elders and other contemporary astrologers. It may be a major treatise for us, but that is because it is what has survived down to us. At the time of these rishis, they were all practicing a similar well developed system of astrology (there are always disagreements about individual points like 7 or 8 charakarakas, etc) but the fundamantal astrological system is the same. When Guruji teaches, Parashara, Jaimini, nadi texts, Puranas, Varahamihira, etc.,they stand as a fundamantally unitative system of astrology complimenting each other with occasionally varying techniques. Often one text will elaborate the reasoning for certain statements in another. The Lame Muni teaches in his Saturnian style, and Jaimini teaches in his Ketu style, but the fundamental

teachings are not different. Try to understand all of Parashara's statements in his chapters of each house without "nadi techniques" and it is not possible- this and many other details show Parashara was very aware of these techniques- even if he does not directly teach them. It is easy to box these systems as seperate, but much more work to understand their unity.

 

"Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS."

 

After studying with Guruji for years and reading his Jaimini translation four times, I could not have fathomed the depth he has taken each Sutra to. It has been wonderful to watch him take one sutra and work on it for two or three days to show the complexity of the Mahrshi's teaching hidden in the one sutra.

 

Freedom

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

 

 

Shanmukha <teli_sha2002sohamsa Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 10:59:56 AM Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

Om Namah SivayaNamaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,OH, is it? Do you mean SJC promotes "Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different systems?" If your answer is "YES", then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and seek excuses from anyone concerned. If you answer is "NO", why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?If your answer is "No Comment" or a similar one, then ??? Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? I guess you are the official

spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote one and the same system. If you don't mind kindly

show the reference / or any commentary exclusively written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote the same science.. Warm Regards,Shanmukha sohamsa@ .com, "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani > wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Shanmukha,> > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the> same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested> to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha> never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has> never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani Rath> > Homepage: <http://sarbani.. com/> http://sarbani. com> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>> http://sagittariusp ublications. com> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org> > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of> teli Shanmukha> 02 August 2009 19:40> sohamsa@ .com> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya> > > > Namaste Goel Ji,> > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha> wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators> had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a> scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only> said time

will prove his findings.> > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically> different from what is existing.> > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same> science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira> dasa as "A Sthira Dasa of Parasara", when both Sages writes the same> science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a> try. > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful> commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he> has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't> mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the

winner. As a> matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble> opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing> anything on a rasi dasa.> > > > I seek your blessings.> > > > Regards,> > Shanmukha> > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:> > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...>> Re :Sthir dasa> teli_sha2002@ ...> Cc: "sohamsa" <sohamsa@ .com>> Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM> > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,> > NO BODY IS LAYING.> > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.> > You will get the results.> >

Regards.> > G.K.GOEL> > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.> Click here> <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> .> > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.> Click here> <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> .> > > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live

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Hare Rama Krsna

 

Shanmukha,

Please read the preface to Guruji's MJUS (all is said clearly on the first page).

 

 

 

Shanmukha <teli_sha2002sohamsa Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 10:59:56 AM Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

Om Namah SivayaNamaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,OH, is it? Do you mean SJC promotes "Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different systems?" If your answer is "YES", then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and seek excuses from anyone concerned. If you answer is "NO", why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?If your answer is "No Comment" or a similar one, then ??? Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? I guess you are the official

spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote one and the same system. If you don't mind kindly

show the reference / or any commentary exclusively written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote the same science.. Warm Regards,Shanmukha sohamsa@ .com, "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani > wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Shanmukha,> > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the> same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested> to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha> never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has> never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani Rath> > Homepage: <http://sarbani.. com/> http://sarbani. com> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>> http://sagittariusp ublications. com> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org> > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of> teli Shanmukha> 02 August 2009 19:40> sohamsa@ .com> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya> > > > Namaste Goel Ji,> > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha> wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators> had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a> scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only> said time

will prove his findings.> > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically> different from what is existing.> > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same> science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira> dasa as "A Sthira Dasa of Parasara", when both Sages writes the same> science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a> try. > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful> commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he> has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't> mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the

winner. As a> matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble> opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing> anything on a rasi dasa.> > > > I seek your blessings.> > > > Regards,> > Shanmukha> > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:> > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...>> Re :Sthir dasa> teli_sha2002@ ...> Cc: "sohamsa" <sohamsa@ .com>> Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM> > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,> > NO BODY IS LAYING.> > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.> > You will get the results.> >

Regards.> > G.K.GOEL> > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.> Click here> <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> .> > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.> Click here> <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> .> > > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live

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Om Namah Sivaya

 

Dear Sri Freedom,

 

Thank you for your response and referring me to Sri Sanjay's book.

 

I hope my questions are clear and so is your mail. I got the answers.

 

As you vouch from you study, I vouch from my study that both are two different

systems and they don't contradicts each other.

 

Why do you read between the lines of BPHS and assume He might know the other

concepts as well, when there are other sources clearly explain these concepts ?

 

It is very easy to box them as same, but again, it needs much more work to

understand their subtlety.

 

Warm Regards,

Shanmukha

 

sohamsa , Freedomji <freeflowaum wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> From my understanding, proper study of both texts makes it apparent that no

where do Jaimini or Parashara contradict each other, and that Jaimini is

elaborating what has been said by his guru/paramguru Parashara. In the teachings

of Guruji (Sri Sanjay Rath), where weeks are spent on small sections of MJUS,

never have I seen any teaching not complement the teachings of Parashara/BPHS.

>

> Such scholars as Pingree may state that BPHS was " written " in the 800-850 time

period, others may say it was " compiled " in that time period, but the teaching

and techniques are extremely older-that is another topic.  

>

> Just a small point that I need to mention in your thinking: " No commentator of

Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and

expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. "

>

> Parashara never says he created this science, nor does Jiamini. Parashara

often states " according to the sages " , or other such statements which infer he

is refering to his elders and other contemporary astrologers. It may be a major

treatise for us, but that is because it is what has survived down to us. At the

time of these rishis, they were all practicing a similar well developed system

of astrology (there are always disagreements about individual points like 7 or 8

charakarakas, etc) but the fundamantal astrological system is the same. When

Guruji teaches, Parashara, Jaimini, nadi texts, Puranas, Varahamihira,

etc.,they stand as a fundamantally unitative system of astrology

complimenting each other with occasionally varying techniques. Often one text

will elaborate the reasoning for certain statements in another. The Lame Muni

teaches in his Saturnian style, and Jaimini teaches in his Ketu style, but the

fundamental teachings are not different.

> Try to understand all of Parashara's statements in his chapters of each house

without " nadi techniques "  and it is not possible- this and many other details

show Parashara was very aware of these techniques- even if he does not directly

teach them. It is easy to box these systems as seperate, but much more work to

understand their unity.

>

> " Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what

was written in MJUS. "

>

> After studying with Guruji for years and reading his Jaimini translation four

times, I could not have fathomed the depth he has taken each Sutra to. It has

been wonderful to watch him take one sutra and work on it for two or three days

to show the complexity of the Mahrshi's teaching hidden in the one sutra.

>

> Freedom

> Aum Namah Shivaya

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Shanmukha <teli_sha2002

> sohamsa

> Monday, August 3, 2009 10:59:56 AM

> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

>

>  

> Om Namah Sivaya

>

> Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

>

> OH, is it?

>

> Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different

systems? "

>

> If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and seek

excuses from anyone concerned.

>

> If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't

you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

>

> If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

>

> Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

>

> Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why

don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is the

Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge and

discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

>

> I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

>

> I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from Sanjay

as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are Ekalavyas to

B.V.Raman after they read his books.

>

> Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was

written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will

definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

>

> I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of

Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and

expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this.

So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote one and the

same system.

>

> If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively

written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini

wrote the same science.

>

> Warm Regards,

> Shanmukha

>

> sohamsa@ .com, " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@ > wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear Shanmukha,

> >

> > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the

> > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested

> > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha

> > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has

> > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Sarbani Rath

> >

> > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com

> >

> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>

> > http://sagittariusp ublications. com

> >

> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com

> >

> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf

Of

> > teli Shanmukha

> > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > sohamsa@ .com

> > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namah Sivaya

> >

> >

> >

> > Namaste Goel Ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha

> > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators

> > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a

> > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only

> > said time will prove his findings.

> >

> >

> >

> > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > different from what is existing.

> >

> >

> >

> > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira

> > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same

> > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> >

> >

> >

> > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a

> > try.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful

> > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he

> > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't

> > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As a

> > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble

> > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > anything on a rasi dasa.

> >

> >

> >

> > I seek your blessings.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Shanmukha

> >

> > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...>

> > Re :Sthir dasa

> > teli_sha2002@ ...

> > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa@ .com>

> > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

> >

> > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> >

> > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> >

> > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> >

> > You will get the results..

> >

> > Regards.

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

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Hare Rama Krishna

Om Srigurave Namah

Dear

Shanmukha Teli,

Om

Shanti. I hope Freedom’s mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

questions are beyond the scope of administration.

ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the

author of Kalpalatha saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini.

IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was

initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage

Jaimini. They are clear about this.

So are we. There is no doubt on

the Maharshi’s words. He indeed was very unique, as are his sutras. My

pranam to him.

ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically

different from what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard

of learning will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning

from Books.

As Freedom said, each sutra almost

took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not need to say more. Suffice it to know that what

Sanjayji is teaching in this 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him

before. That includes Narasimha or anyone else.

Best Regards,

Sarbani

Rath

Homepage:

http://sarbani.com

Sagittarius

Publications: http://sagittariuspublications.com

Sohamsa:

http://sohamsa.com

Sri

Jagannath Centre: http://.org

 

 

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Shanmukha

03 August 2009 23:30

sohamsa

Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namah Sivaya

 

Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

 

OH, is it?

 

Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two

different systems? "

 

If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence

and seek excuses from anyone concerned.

 

If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India

(Aren't you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

 

If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

 

Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some explanation

in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

 

Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why

don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is the

Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge and

discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

 

I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

 

I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in understanding

this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from Sanjay as well apart

from my Guru. As you know so many students are Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after

they read his books.

 

Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was

written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will

definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

 

I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha saying

that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini

ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded

or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this. So, I

differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote one and the same

system.

 

If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively

written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini

wrote the same science.

 

Warm Regards,

Shanmukha

 

sohamsa ,

" Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Shanmukha,

>

> You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the

> same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested

> to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha

> never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has

> never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

>

> Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> http://sagittariuspublications.com

>

> Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

>

> Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/>

http://.org

>

>

>

> sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

On Behalf Of

> teli Shanmukha

> 02 August 2009 19:40

> sohamsa

> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namah Sivaya

>

>

>

> Namaste Goel Ji,

>

>

>

> I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha

> wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

commentators

> had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a

> scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only

> said time will prove his findings.

>

>

>

> By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> different from what is existing.

>

>

>

> I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira

> dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the

same

> science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

>

>

>

> I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give

a

> try.

>

>

>

> Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

wonderful

> commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he

> has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

doesn't

> mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As

a

> matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble

> opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> anything on a rasi dasa.

>

>

>

> I seek your blessings.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Shanmukha

>

> --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

>

> Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

> Re :Sthir dasa

> teli_sha2002

> Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa >

> Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

>

> DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

>

> NO BODY IS LAYING.

>

> Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

>

> You will get the results.

>

> Regards.

>

> G.K.GOEL

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.

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>

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Om Namah Sivaya,

 

Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath,

 

//So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.//

 

Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as well,

since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator?

 

Regards,

Shanmukha

 

sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Om Srigurave Namah

>

> Dear Shanmukha Teli,

>

> Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

> following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

> questions are beyond the scope of administration.

>

> ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> clear about this.

>

> So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.

>

> ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from

> what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning

> will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

>

> As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not

> need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in this

> 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes

> Narasimha or anyone else.

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

>

> Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> http://sagittariuspublications.com

>

> Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

>

> Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

>

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> Shanmukha

> 03 August 2009 23:30

> sohamsa

> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namah Sivaya

>

> Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

>

> OH, is it?

>

> Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different

> systems? "

>

> If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and

> seek excuses from anyone concerned.

>

> If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't

> you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

>

> If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

>

> Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

> explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

>

> Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why

> don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is

> the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge

> and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

>

> I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

>

> I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

> understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from

> Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are

> Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books.

>

> Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what

> was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will

> definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

>

> I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage

> Jaimini wrote one and the same system.

>

> If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively

> written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini

> wrote the same science.

>

> Warm Regards,

> Shanmukha

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani

> Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear Shanmukha,

> >

> > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the

> > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested

> > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha

> > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has

> > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Sarbani Rath

> >

> > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> >

> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> >

> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> >

> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On

> Behalf Of

> > teli Shanmukha

> > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namah Sivaya

> >

> >

> >

> > Namaste Goel Ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha

> > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

> commentators

> > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a

> > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only

> > said time will prove his findings.

> >

> >

> >

> > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > different from what is existing.

> >

> >

> >

> > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira

> > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same

> > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> >

> >

> >

> > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give

> a

> > try.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

> wonderful

> > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he

> > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

> doesn't

> > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As

> a

> > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble

> > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > anything on a rasi dasa.

> >

> >

> >

> > I seek your blessings.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Shanmukha

> >

> > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

> > Re :Sthir dasa

> > teli_sha2002@

> > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> >

> > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

> >

> > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> >

> > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> >

> > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> >

> > You will get the results.

> >

> > Regards.

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.

> > Click here

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> >

> >

> >

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Mr.Shanmukha,Freedom Cole and others

 

 

Stand of SJC

 

 

 

I have read the books of Shri Sanjay RAth and Shri P.V.R.Rao namely crux of

vedic astrology and vedic astrology-integrated approach

 

 

They both maintain that Parashara and Jaimini taught the same system of

astrology with minor differences

 

regards

 

vivek

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002 wrote:

>

> Om Namah Sivaya,

>

> Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath,

>

> //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.//

>

> Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as well,

since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator?

>

> Regards,

> Shanmukha

>

> sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Om Srigurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> >

> > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

> > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

> > questions are beyond the scope of administration.

> >

> > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> > clear about this.

> >

> > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.

> >

> > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from

> > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning

> > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

> >

> > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not

> > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in this

> > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes

> > Narasimha or anyone else.

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Sarbani Rath

> >

> > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> >

> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> >

> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> >

> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > Shanmukha

> > 03 August 2009 23:30

> > sohamsa

> > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namah Sivaya

> >

> > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> >

> > OH, is it?

> >

> > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different

> > systems? "

> >

> > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and

> > seek excuses from anyone concerned.

> >

> > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't

> > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

> >

> > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

> >

> > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

> > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

> >

> > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why

> > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is

> > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge

> > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

> >

> > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

> >

> > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

> > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from

> > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are

> > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books.

> >

> > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what

> > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will

> > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

> >

> > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > Jaimini wrote one and the same system.

> >

> > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively

> > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini

> > wrote the same science.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Shanmukha

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani

> > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear Shanmukha,

> > >

> > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the

> > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested

> > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha

> > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has

> > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani Rath

> > >

> > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > >

> > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > >

> > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > >

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On

> > Behalf Of

> > > teli Shanmukha

> > > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Goel Ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha

> > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

> > commentators

> > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a

> > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only

> > > said time will prove his findings.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > > different from what is existing.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira

> > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same

> > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give

> > a

> > > try.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

> > wonderful

> > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he

> > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

> > doesn't

> > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As

> > a

> > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble

> > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > > anything on a rasi dasa.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I seek your blessings.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Shanmukha

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

> > > Re :Sthir dasa

> > > teli_sha2002@

> > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > >

> > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

> > >

> > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> > >

> > > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> > >

> > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> > >

> > > You will get the results.

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

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> > > Click here

> > > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.

> > > Click here

> > > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > > Click here

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> > >

> >

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Hare Rama Krishna

Om Rishibhyo Namah

Dear

Shanmukha Teli,

I do

not know what you mean by “stand”. I and 25 others are studying the

Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He is

teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through which he

teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many astrologers

in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji’s paramaparik

teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to

discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say, Sanjayji’s

perspective is the “stand” of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us studying

the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his perspective.

In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the way his tradition

viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us have voluntarily opted

to learn this tradition of our own choice.

As

your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has tasted

that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When we

receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are actually

present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our reach. I would like

to reiterate Freedom’s recommendation to you and ask you to read Sanjayji’s

Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph itself should dispel whatever

doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji’s perspective on this matter.

Best

Regards,

Sarbani

Rath

Homepage:

http://sarbani.com

Sagittarius

Publications: http://sagittariuspublications.com

Sohamsa:

http://sohamsa.com

Sri

Jagannath Centre: http://.org

 

 

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Shanmukha

05 August 2009 13:03

sohamsa

Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

 

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namah Sivaya,

 

Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath,

 

//So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.//

 

Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as well,

since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator?

 

Regards,

Shanmukha

 

sohamsa ,

" Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Om Srigurave Namah

>

> Dear Shanmukha Teli,

>

> Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

> following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

> questions are beyond the scope of administration.

>

> ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of

Kalpalatha

> saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> clear about this.

>

> So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.

>

> ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from

> what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning

> will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from

Books.

>

> As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not

> need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in

this

> 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes

> Narasimha or anyone else.

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

>

> Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> http://sagittariuspublications.com

>

> Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

>

> Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/>

http://.org

>

>

>

> sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

On Behalf Of

> Shanmukha

> 03 August 2009 23:30

> sohamsa

> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namah Sivaya

>

> Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

>

> OH, is it?

>

> Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two

different

> systems? "

>

> If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my

sentence and

> seek excuses from anyone concerned.

>

> If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC

Asia/India (Aren't

> you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

>

> If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

>

> Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

> explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

>

> Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why

> don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is

> the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much

knowledge

> and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

>

> I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

>

> I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

> understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from

> Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are

> Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books.

>

> Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what

> was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will

> definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

>

> I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage

> Jaimini wrote one and the same system.

>

> If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively

> written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage

Jaimini

> wrote the same science.

>

> Warm Regards,

> Shanmukha

>

> sohamsa

<sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani

> Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Dear Shanmukha,

> >

> > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini

wrote the

> > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be

interested

> > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also,

Narasimha

> > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own.

Sanjayji has

> > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Sarbani Rath

> >

> > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/>

http://sarbani.com

> >

> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> >

> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/>

http://sohamsa.com

> >

> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/>

http://.org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> [sohamsa

<sohamsa%40> ] On

> Behalf Of

> > teli Shanmukha

> > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namah Sivaya

> >

> >

> >

> > Namaste Goel Ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri

Narasimha

> > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

> commentators

> > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is

not a

> > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I

only

> > said time will prove his findings.

> >

> >

> >

> > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > different from what is existing.

> >

> >

> >

> > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of

sthira

> > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes

the same

> > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> >

> >

> >

> > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still

give

> a

> > try.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

> wonderful

> > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and

he

> > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

> doesn't

> > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the

winner. As

> a

> > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my

humble

> > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > anything on a rasi dasa.

> >

> >

> >

> > I seek your blessings.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Shanmukha

> >

> > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

> > Re :Sthir dasa

> > teli_sha2002@

> > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> >

> > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

> >

> > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> >

> > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> >

> > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> >

> > You will get the results.

> >

> > Regards.

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and

more.

> > Click here

> > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.>

..

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and

more.

> > Click here

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..

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

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Sri Ganesaya Namah

 

Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

 

I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer

" Yes " or " No " to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the

Freedom's answer.

 

Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view /

understanding /perspective or whatever you call it.

 

Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and

other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll

withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all.

 

I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views

than Astrology.

 

To all other members,

 

I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in

the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the

true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember

Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge,

if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course,

how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that

will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya.

 

The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri

B.V. Raman puts it " Planets only impel not compel. " So, I take all the

happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to

understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons,

traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord

Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those

demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our

efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the

Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is

devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all

increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take

his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating

himself as Varaha Avatara.

 

The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner

consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source,

to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself.

 

So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference

commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system.

 

Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much

corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a

scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries

on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a

dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard

of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries

in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did

that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much

available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that

they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS?

 

" Let the knowledge come from everywhere " is the call by our Vedas.

 

Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in print

where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you diet

yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for now

sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge?

 

The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always

welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries.

At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and

think over on that at least for a day. He said " At the end of the day, the

nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini " . In addition, he

cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he

learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never

left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the

new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When

we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras,

we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have

been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to

understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches

of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all

the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least

introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO.

 

If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and

then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of

course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious,

industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of

information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could

get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the

system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many

of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most

scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand

it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who

don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this.

 

Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly request

you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all.

 

Regards,

Shanmukha

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Om Rishibhyo Namah

>

> Dear Shanmukha Teli,

>

> I do not know what you mean by " stand " . I and 25 others are studying the

> Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He

> is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through

> which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many

> astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik

> teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to

> discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say,

> Sanjayji's perspective is the " stand " of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us

> studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his

> perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the

> way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us

> have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice.

>

> As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has

> tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When

> we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are

> actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our

> reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you

> to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph

> itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's

> perspective on this matter.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

>

> Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> http://sagittariuspublications.com

>

> Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

>

> Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

>

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> Shanmukha

> 05 August 2009 13:03

> sohamsa

> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namah Sivaya,

>

> Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath,

>

> //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.//

>

> Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as

> well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator?

>

> Regards,

> Shanmukha

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani

> Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Om Srigurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> >

> > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

> > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

> > questions are beyond the scope of administration.

> >

> > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of

> Kalpalatha

> > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> > clear about this.

> >

> > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.

> >

> > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from

> > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning

> > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from

> Books.

> >

> > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not

> > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in

> this

> > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes

> > Narasimha or anyone else.

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Sarbani Rath

> >

> > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> >

> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> >

> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> >

> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On

> Behalf Of

> > Shanmukha

> > 03 August 2009 23:30

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namah Sivaya

> >

> > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> >

> > OH, is it?

> >

> > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two

> different

> > systems? "

> >

> > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and

> > seek excuses from anyone concerned.

> >

> > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't

> > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

> >

> > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

> >

> > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

> > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

> >

> > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why

> > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is

> > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much

> knowledge

> > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

> >

> > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

> >

> > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

> > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from

> > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are

> > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books.

> >

> > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what

> > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will

> > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

> >

> > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > Jaimini wrote one and the same system.

> >

> > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary

> exclusively

> > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage

> Jaimini

> > wrote the same science.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Shanmukha

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani

> > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear Shanmukha,

> > >

> > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote

> the

> > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be

> interested

> > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also,

> Narasimha

> > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji

> has

> > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani Rath

> > >

> > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > >

> > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > >

> > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > >

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> <sohamsa%40>

> > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> <sohamsa%40> ] On

> > Behalf Of

> > > teli Shanmukha

> > > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> <sohamsa%40>

> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Goel Ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri

> Narasimha

> > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

> > commentators

> > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not

> a

> > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only

> > > said time will prove his findings.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > > different from what is existing.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of

> sthira

> > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same

> > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still

> give

> > a

> > > try.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

> > wonderful

> > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and

> he

> > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

> > doesn't

> > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner.

> As

> > a

> > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble

> > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > > anything on a rasi dasa.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I seek your blessings.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Shanmukha

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

> > > Re :Sthir dasa

> > > teli_sha2002@

> > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa

> <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40>

> > >

> > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

> > >

> > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> > >

> > > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> > >

> > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> > >

> > > You will get the results.

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

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Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Shanmukha,

I have been following these threads and as a silent and too busy to regularly

participate on the list, I must sincerelly say that I get tired of reading the

same view stand again and again. I personally read your website, appriciate and

welcome your point to prove and follow the teachings of your Guru, but also

myself and I beleive Sarbani Rath and others do the same. I have read all the

commentaries and books of your Guru Sri Rangacharya and appriciate and pay him

respect much, but I am perfectly fine and thankful to my Guru Pt. Sanyay Rath,

find his ways of teaching the sutra perfectly fine with me, and perfectly

working in the charts and practical experience as far as I am concerned. So I

see no reason why we cannot both coexist in peace and follow our own paths,

without proving to each other who is right or wrong. As it is, I repeat again, I

have been taught the sutras by Pt. Sanjay Rath, and find this teaching a great

blessing and perfectly true for me, as I beleive Sarbani and others do,

including you with the teachings of your Guru to you. So, why not the things

reaming as they are and coexist in peace.I beleive that you will alwyas think

and beleive in the words of your Guru as absolute truth, and so do we, and

nothing will change that at least as far as I am concerned, and most likely the

same holds true for my gurubhais.

So, all schollarly debates are always welcomed however, they should flow in

tolerance and peace, with respect for both sides.If we fail to agree, so what,

the world will not end:)

Regarding the official stand of SJC which you are instisting on, as students of

Jaimini sutras, many things are taught as a part of secret teachings (which I

beleive you also your self stated as " secret " ), and Sarbani is right. That was

taught only directly by Pt. Sanjay Rath to his 26 students, and will remain as

such no matter how much people try to push it out. I also personally beleive

that knowledge will come to those who are pure hearted and full of faith, so let

us all go in that path, and Maharishis decide.

With kind regards,

Zoran Radosavljevic

P.S. I see no fury at all, nor should there be any

 

> Sri Ganesaya Namah

>

> Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

>

> I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer

" Yes " or " No " to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the

Freedom's answer.

>

> Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view /

understanding /perspective or whatever you call it.

>

> Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and

other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll

withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all.

>

> I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views

than Astrology.

>

> To all other members,

>

> I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in

the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the

true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember

Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge,

if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course,

how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that

will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya.

>

> The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri

B.V. Raman puts it " Planets only impel not compel. " So, I take all the

happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to

understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons,

traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord

Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those

demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our

efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the

Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is

devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all

increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take

his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating

himself as Varaha Avatara.

>

> The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner

consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source,

to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself.

>

> So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference

commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system.

>

> Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much

corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a

scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries

on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a

dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard

of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries

in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did

that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much

available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that

they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS?

>

> " Let the knowledge come from everywhere " is the call by our Vedas.

>

> Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in

print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you

diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for

now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge?

>

> The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always

welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries.

At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and

think over on that at least for a day. He said " At the end of the day, the

nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini " . In addition, he

cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he

learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never

left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the

new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When

we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras,

we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have

been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to

understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches

of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all

the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least

introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO.

>

> If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and

then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of

course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious,

industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of

information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could

get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the

system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many

of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most

scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand

it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who

don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this.

>

> Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly

request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all.

>

> Regards,

> Shanmukha

>

>

>

> sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Om Rishibhyo Namah

> >

> > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> >

> > I do not know what you mean by " stand " . I and 25 others are studying the

> > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He

> > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through

> > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many

> > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik

> > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to

> > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say,

> > Sanjayji's perspective is the " stand " of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us

> > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his

> > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the

> > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us

> > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice.

> >

> > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has

> > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When

> > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are

> > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our

> > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you

> > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph

> > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's

> > perspective on this matter.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Sarbani Rath

> >

> > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> >

> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> >

> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> >

> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > Shanmukha

> > 05 August 2009 13:03

> > sohamsa

> > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namah Sivaya,

> >

> > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> >

> > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.//

> >

> > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as

> > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Shanmukha

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani

> > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Om Srigurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> > >

> > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

> > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

> > > questions are beyond the scope of administration.

> > >

> > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of

> > Kalpalatha

> > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> > > clear about this.

> > >

> > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.

> > >

> > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from

> > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning

> > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from

> > Books.

> > >

> > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not

> > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in

> > this

> > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes

> > > Narasimha or anyone else.

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani Rath

> > >

> > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > >

> > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > >

> > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > >

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On

> > Behalf Of

> > > Shanmukha

> > > 03 August 2009 23:30

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > >

> > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> > >

> > > OH, is it?

> > >

> > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two

> > different

> > > systems? "

> > >

> > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and

> > > seek excuses from anyone concerned.

> > >

> > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't

> > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

> > >

> > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

> > >

> > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

> > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why

> > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is

> > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much

> > knowledge

> > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

> > >

> > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

> > >

> > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

> > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from

> > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are

> > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books.

> > >

> > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what

> > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will

> > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

> > >

> > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system.

> > >

> > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary

> > exclusively

> > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > Jaimini

> > > wrote the same science.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > > Shanmukha

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani

> > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shanmukha,

> > > >

> > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote

> > the

> > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be

> > interested

> > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also,

> > Narasimha

> > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji

> > has

> > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sarbani Rath

> > > >

> > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > > >

> > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > > >

> > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > > >

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%40> ] On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > teli Shanmukha

> > > > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Goel Ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri

> > Narasimha

> > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

> > > commentators

> > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not

> > a

> > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only

> > > > said time will prove his findings.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > > > different from what is existing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of

> > sthira

> > > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same

> > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still

> > give

> > > a

> > > > try.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

> > > wonderful

> > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and

> > he

> > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

> > > doesn't

> > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner.

> > As

> > > a

> > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble

> > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > > > anything on a rasi dasa.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I seek your blessings.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Shanmukha

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

> > > > Re :Sthir dasa

> > > > teli_sha2002@

> > > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40>

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

> > > >

> > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> > > >

> > > > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> > > >

> > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> > > >

> > > > You will get the results.

> > > >

> > > > Regards.

> > > >

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

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> > > > INDIA

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Shri Ganeshaya Namah

 

Namaste Sri Zoran,

 

Yes, I felt the same and ended the correspondence about the views/stands etc. on

this from my side.

 

Yes, both can coexist.

 

I had to write the mail to other memmbers when someone expressed doubts

regarding the happenings in the sky and its consequences on Jaimini. I wanted to

reassure the Maharshis's teachings will prevail.

 

Though it is redundant, I finally write the following and kindly bear with me.

My main issue was a request to all to gather all the available knowledge on this

system, which I hope you also agree. I never forced anyone to read my Gurus

books, but I wanted all to read all the available info. If you think it otherway

I can't help it.

 

Thanks for your appreciation and Blessings

 

Regards,

Shanmukha

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah,

> Dear Shanmukha,

> I have been following these threads and as a silent and too busy to regularly

participate on the list, I must sincerelly say that I get tired of reading the

same view stand again and again. I personally read your website, appriciate and

welcome your point to prove and follow the teachings of your Guru, but also

myself and I beleive Sarbani Rath and others do the same. I have read all the

commentaries and books of your Guru Sri Rangacharya and appriciate and pay him

respect much, but I am perfectly fine and thankful to my Guru Pt. Sanyay Rath,

find his ways of teaching the sutra perfectly fine with me, and perfectly

working in the charts and practical experience as far as I am concerned. So I

see no reason why we cannot both coexist in peace and follow our own paths,

without proving to each other who is right or wrong. As it is, I repeat again, I

have been taught the sutras by Pt. Sanjay Rath, and find this teaching a great

blessing and perfectly true for me, as I beleive Sarbani and others do,

including you with the teachings of your Guru to you. So, why not the things

reaming as they are and coexist in peace.I beleive that you will alwyas think

and beleive in the words of your Guru as absolute truth, and so do we, and

nothing will change that at least as far as I am concerned, and most likely the

same holds true for my gurubhais.

> So, all schollarly debates are always welcomed however, they should flow in

tolerance and peace, with respect for both sides.If we fail to agree, so what,

the world will not end:)

> Regarding the official stand of SJC which you are instisting on, as students

of Jaimini sutras, many things are taught as a part of secret teachings (which I

beleive you also your self stated as " secret " ), and Sarbani is right. That was

taught only directly by Pt. Sanjay Rath to his 26 students, and will remain as

such no matter how much people try to push it out. I also personally beleive

that knowledge will come to those who are pure hearted and full of faith, so let

us all go in that path, and Maharishis decide.

> With kind regards,

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> P.S. I see no fury at all, nor should there be any

>

> > Sri Ganesaya Namah

> >

> > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> >

> > I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would

answer " Yes " or " No " to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to

the Freedom's answer.

> >

> > Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view /

understanding /perspective or whatever you call it.

> >

> > Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and

other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll

withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all.

> >

> > I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more

views than Astrology.

> >

> > To all other members,

> >

> > I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings

in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach

the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all

remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach

knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour.

Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if

misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya.

> >

> > The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As

Sri B.V. Raman puts it " Planets only impel not compel. " So, I take all the

happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to

understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons,

traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord

Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those

demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our

efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the

Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is

devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all

increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take

his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating

himself as Varaha Avatara.

> >

> > The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner

consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source,

to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself.

> >

> > So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference

commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system.

> >

> > Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is

much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a

scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries

on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a

dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard

of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries

in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did

that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much

available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that

they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS?

> >

> > " Let the knowledge come from everywhere " is the call by our Vedas.

> >

> > Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in

print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you

diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for

now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge?

> >

> > The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always

welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries.

At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and

think over on that at least for a day. He said " At the end of the day, the

nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini " . In addition, he

cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he

learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never

left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the

new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When

we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras,

we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have

been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to

understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches

of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all

the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least

introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO.

> >

> > If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature

and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of

course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious,

industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of

information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could

get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the

system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many

of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most

scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand

it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who

don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this.

> >

> > Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly

request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Shanmukha

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Om Rishibhyo Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> > >

> > > I do not know what you mean by " stand " . I and 25 others are studying the

> > > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC.

He

> > > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through

> > > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are

many

> > > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's

paramaparik

> > > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to

> > > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say,

> > > Sanjayji's perspective is the " stand " of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us

> > > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his

> > > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in

the

> > > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us

> > > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice.

> > >

> > > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has

> > > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini.

When

> > > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are

> > > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our

> > > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask

you

> > > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph

> > > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's

> > > perspective on this matter.

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani Rath

> > >

> > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > >

> > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > >

> > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > >

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf

Of

> > > Shanmukha

> > > 05 August 2009 13:03

> > > sohamsa

> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namah Sivaya,

> > >

> > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> > >

> > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.//

> > >

> > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as

> > > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Shanmukha

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ,

" Sarbani

> > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Om Srigurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> > > >

> > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

> > > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

> > > > questions are beyond the scope of administration.

> > > >

> > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of

> > > Kalpalatha

> > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No

commentator

> > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They

are

> > > > clear about this.

> > > >

> > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.

> > > >

> > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different

from

> > > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of

learning

> > > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from

> > > Books.

> > > >

> > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not

> > > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in

> > > this

> > > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes

> > > > Narasimha or anyone else.

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sarbani Rath

> > > >

> > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > > >

> > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > > >

> > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > > >

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > Shanmukha

> > > > 03 August 2009 23:30

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> > > >

> > > > OH, is it?

> > > >

> > > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two

> > > different

> > > > systems? "

> > > >

> > > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence

and

> > > > seek excuses from anyone concerned.

> > > >

> > > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India

(Aren't

> > > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

> > > >

> > > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

> > > >

> > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

> > > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But,

Why

> > > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay

is

> > > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much

> > > knowledge

> > > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

> > > >

> > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

> > > >

> > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

> > > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from

> > > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are

> > > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books.

> > > >

> > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from

what

> > > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning

will

> > > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

> > > >

> > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No

commentator

> > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They

are

> > > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system.

> > > >

> > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary

> > > exclusively

> > > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > > Jaimini

> > > > wrote the same science.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > Shanmukha

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani

> > > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shanmukha,

> > > > >

> > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote

> > > the

> > > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be

> > > interested

> > > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also,

> > > Narasimha

> > > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji

> > > has

> > > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarbani Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/>

http://.org

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40> ] On

> > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > teli Shanmukha

> > > > > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Goel Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri

> > > Narasimha

> > > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

> > > > commentators

> > > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is

not

> > > a

> > > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I

only

> > > > > said time will prove his findings.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > > > > different from what is existing.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of

> > > sthira

> > > > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same

> > > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still

> > > give

> > > > a

> > > > > try.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

> > > > wonderful

> > > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru

and

> > > he

> > > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the

winner.

> > > As

> > > > a

> > > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my

humble

> > > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > > > > anything on a rasi dasa.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I seek your blessings.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Shanmukha

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

> > > > > Re :Sthir dasa

> > > > > teli_sha2002@

> > > > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa

> > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> > > > >

> > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> > > > >

> > > > > You will get the results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards.

> > > > >

> > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > G.K.GOEL

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Zoran sir,

 

You summarized it wonderfully.

 

sohamsa , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah,

> Dear Shanmukha,

> I have been following these threads and as a silent and too busy to regularly

participate on the list, I must sincerelly say that I get tired of reading the

same view stand again and again. I personally read your website, appriciate and

welcome your point to prove and follow the teachings of your Guru, but also

myself and I beleive Sarbani Rath and others do the same. I have read all the

commentaries and books of your Guru Sri Rangacharya and appriciate and pay him

respect much, but I am perfectly fine and thankful to my Guru Pt. Sanyay Rath,

find his ways of teaching the sutra perfectly fine with me, and perfectly

working in the charts and practical experience as far as I am concerned. So I

see no reason why we cannot both coexist in peace and follow our own paths,

without proving to each other who is right or wrong. As it is, I repeat again, I

have been taught the sutras by Pt. Sanjay Rath, and find this teaching a great

blessing and perfectly true for me, as I beleive Sarbani and others do,

including you with the teachings of your Guru to you. So, why not the things

reaming as they are and coexist in peace.I beleive that you will alwyas think

and beleive in the words of your Guru as absolute truth, and so do we, and

nothing will change that at least as far as I am concerned, and most likely the

same holds true for my gurubhais.

> So, all schollarly debates are always welcomed however, they should flow in

tolerance and peace, with respect for both sides.If we fail to agree, so what,

the world will not end:)

> Regarding the official stand of SJC which you are instisting on, as students

of Jaimini sutras, many things are taught as a part of secret teachings (which I

beleive you also your self stated as " secret " ), and Sarbani is right. That was

taught only directly by Pt. Sanjay Rath to his 26 students, and will remain as

such no matter how much people try to push it out. I also personally beleive

that knowledge will come to those who are pure hearted and full of faith, so let

us all go in that path, and Maharishis decide.

> With kind regards,

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> P.S. I see no fury at all, nor should there be any

>

> > Sri Ganesaya Namah

> >

> > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> >

> > I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would

answer " Yes " or " No " to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to

the Freedom's answer.

> >

> > Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view /

understanding /perspective or whatever you call it.

> >

> > Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and

other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll

withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all.

> >

> > I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more

views than Astrology.

> >

> > To all other members,

> >

> > I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings

in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach

the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all

remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach

knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour.

Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if

misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya.

> >

> > The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As

Sri B.V. Raman puts it " Planets only impel not compel. " So, I take all the

happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to

understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons,

traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord

Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those

demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our

efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the

Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is

devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all

increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take

his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating

himself as Varaha Avatara.

> >

> > The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner

consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source,

to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself.

> >

> > So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference

commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system.

> >

> > Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is

much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a

scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries

on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a

dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard

of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries

in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did

that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much

available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that

they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS?

> >

> > " Let the knowledge come from everywhere " is the call by our Vedas.

> >

> > Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in

print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you

diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for

now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge?

> >

> > The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always

welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries.

At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and

think over on that at least for a day. He said " At the end of the day, the

nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini " . In addition, he

cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he

learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never

left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the

new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When

we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras,

we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have

been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to

understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches

of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all

the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least

introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO.

> >

> > If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature

and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of

course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious,

industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of

information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could

get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the

system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many

of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most

scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand

it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who

don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this.

> >

> > Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly

request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Shanmukha

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Om Rishibhyo Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> > >

> > > I do not know what you mean by " stand " . I and 25 others are studying the

> > > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC.

He

> > > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through

> > > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are

many

> > > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's

paramaparik

> > > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to

> > > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say,

> > > Sanjayji's perspective is the " stand " of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us

> > > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his

> > > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in

the

> > > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us

> > > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice.

> > >

> > > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has

> > > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini.

When

> > > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are

> > > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our

> > > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask

you

> > > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph

> > > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's

> > > perspective on this matter.

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani Rath

> > >

> > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > >

> > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > >

> > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > >

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf

Of

> > > Shanmukha

> > > 05 August 2009 13:03

> > > sohamsa

> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namah Sivaya,

> > >

> > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> > >

> > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.//

> > >

> > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as

> > > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Shanmukha

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ,

" Sarbani

> > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Om Srigurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> > > >

> > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

> > > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

> > > > questions are beyond the scope of administration.

> > > >

> > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of

> > > Kalpalatha

> > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No

commentator

> > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They

are

> > > > clear about this.

> > > >

> > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.

> > > >

> > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different

from

> > > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of

learning

> > > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from

> > > Books.

> > > >

> > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not

> > > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in

> > > this

> > > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes

> > > > Narasimha or anyone else.

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sarbani Rath

> > > >

> > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > > >

> > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > > >

> > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > > >

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > Shanmukha

> > > > 03 August 2009 23:30

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> > > >

> > > > OH, is it?

> > > >

> > > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two

> > > different

> > > > systems? "

> > > >

> > > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence

and

> > > > seek excuses from anyone concerned.

> > > >

> > > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India

(Aren't

> > > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

> > > >

> > > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

> > > >

> > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

> > > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But,

Why

> > > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay

is

> > > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much

> > > knowledge

> > > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

> > > >

> > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

> > > >

> > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

> > > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from

> > > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are

> > > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books.

> > > >

> > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from

what

> > > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning

will

> > > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

> > > >

> > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No

commentator

> > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They

are

> > > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system.

> > > >

> > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary

> > > exclusively

> > > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > > Jaimini

> > > > wrote the same science.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > Shanmukha

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani

> > > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shanmukha,

> > > > >

> > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote

> > > the

> > > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be

> > > interested

> > > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also,

> > > Narasimha

> > > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji

> > > has

> > > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarbani Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/>

http://.org

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40> ] On

> > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > teli Shanmukha

> > > > > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Goel Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri

> > > Narasimha

> > > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

> > > > commentators

> > > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is

not

> > > a

> > > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I

only

> > > > > said time will prove his findings.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > > > > different from what is existing.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of

> > > sthira

> > > > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same

> > > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still

> > > give

> > > > a

> > > > > try.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

> > > > wonderful

> > > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru

and

> > > he

> > > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the

winner.

> > > As

> > > > a

> > > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my

humble

> > > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > > > > anything on a rasi dasa.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I seek your blessings.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Shanmukha

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

> > > > > Re :Sthir dasa

> > > > > teli_sha2002@

> > > > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa

> > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> > > > >

> > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> > > > >

> > > > > You will get the results.

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Dear ahimsavm

 

Without a Guru nobody can learn Jyotish and faith in Guru is much more important

than anything else to learn jyotish.I appreciate the faith you have in your guru

and this is the need of the hour for all seekers of jyotish

 

I have read blogs of PVRji,Visti Larsen,Sarajit poddar and many other students

of SJC parampara and i hope all of them give their original views on their blog

for benefit of seekers of astrology to learn when they are not able to come in

person and join classes of Devaguru Brihaspati centre or individual centers

started by some of them.Some of the articles written by them which quote ancient

classics are good and they have made it wonderful with their scholarly

writing.YEt there are many articles which dont have essential backing of

scriptures but only name of parampara behind are not helpful to many as the

principles in them never work in reality at all.Some have mixed jaimini system

and parasara system while giving predictions advocating jaimini principles in

BPHS is same as that of what original Jaimini sutras is totally dubious.if one

does a wide reading ,one can understand that BPHS we have is not the original

text written by sage parashara and its authenticity is in doubt.Its status being

text book of astrology has occured with the help of publishers and publicity

stunts.

 

Regarding Jaimini being a secret parampara i fully agree.But as Shanmukha

contends we have with us only four adhyayas available of which the last 2 are

not very pure or original.Unless we try to learn from the commentaries we cannot

move forward in learning the jaimini system a whole

 

One should not claim scholarship of jaimini system by just learning 4 adhyayas

taught by guru when there is lot of material to be studied on Jaimini.

 

Quoting one example,Are you sure when rahu can be taken as atmakaraka.We see so

many articles circulating in the form of teaching on charakarakas when ebough

research has not been done to find out assignment of charakarakas correctly

 

You claim some secret teachings of jaimini in your parampara.Shri shanmukha as

you know has given his manuscripts to the internet wanting people to learn and

test jaimini more freely which has to be welcomed .But your views are like -i

have learnt secrets in jaimini principles which works perfectly well and we the

26 students will not share as it is something divine.I am sure if that secret is

true,one of your 26 colleagues would have write an research article with 10

examples of few famous personalities.I see most of the principles discussed in

articles will work only in those charts and not on other ordinary people

charts. P.S.It is always easy to explain the fructification of Rajayogas in

famous personalities chart.Claiming secrecy and saying that true seekers of

knowledge will defenitely understand Jaimini from their guru is an escapist

statement to a big extent.It is like scoring a centum in theory exams when the

answer papar is correctly by his own school teacher and failing in practical

exams when supervised by external examiner because of lack of demonstrating

ability.

 

So claiming there are many secrets in first 4 adhyayas that were not brought to

light by giants like Suryanarayana rao or B.V.Raman or Irangati Rangacharya is

not accceptable.Though i am not part of your DBLC Or JMUS it is very easily

known that there are not much secrets in forst 4 adhyayas that arent explored by

the above mentioned authors in their books.Most of the above authors are humble

and they have expressed their views only and did not impose anything on readers

or claim the shlokas having a mystical meaning wherever they are uncertain.

 

That is why we need to research on older commnetaries to find out the " real

secrets " in Jaimini system.Call of shanmukha for this is very genuine.Only

barrier we have is language.some works are in telugu as all of us here may not

know or understand telugu as the language is confined to a single state.Some are

in Sanskrit and it is very hard to find sanskrit scholars who is well versed in

vedanga .

 

Astrology will work very superbly if applied on well known charts

retrospectively.As parameters are many ,one can take the parameters which is

helping him in the chart and can prove the happening of an event in the chart.

 

The real test lies in predicting an event beforehand using jaimini system and

dashas with the available knowledge in your parampara and then it will be

definetely appreciated by all.I wish to see scholarly debates and articles on

Jaimini (which works iniversally )from you rather than views of real jaimini

scholarship is claimed.

 

pranams

 

vishnu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah,

> Dear Shanmukha,

> I have been following these threads and as a silent and too busy to regularly

participate on the list, I must sincerelly say that I get tired of reading the

same view stand again and again. I personally read your website, appriciate and

welcome your point to prove and follow the teachings of your Guru, but also

myself and I beleive Sarbani Rath and others do the same. I have read all the

commentaries and books of your Guru Sri Rangacharya and appriciate and pay him

respect much, but I am perfectly fine and thankful to my Guru Pt. Sanyay Rath,

find his ways of teaching the sutra perfectly fine with me, and perfectly

working in the charts and practical experience as far as I am concerned. So I

see no reason why we cannot both coexist in peace and follow our own paths,

without proving to each other who is right or wrong. As it is, I repeat again, I

have been taught the sutras by Pt. Sanjay Rath, and find this teaching a great

blessing and perfectly true for me, as I beleive Sarbani and others do,

including you with the teachings of your Guru to you. So, why not the things

reaming as they are and coexist in peace.I beleive that you will alwyas think

and beleive in the words of your Guru as absolute truth, and so do we, and

nothing will change that at least as far as I am concerned, and most likely the

same holds true for my gurubhais.

> So, all schollarly debates are always welcomed however, they should flow in

tolerance and peace, with respect for both sides.If we fail to agree, so what,

the world will not end:)

> Regarding the official stand of SJC which you are instisting on, as students

of Jaimini sutras, many things are taught as a part of secret teachings (which I

beleive you also your self stated as " secret " ), and Sarbani is right. That was

taught only directly by Pt. Sanjay Rath to his 26 students, and will remain as

such no matter how much people try to push it out. I also personally beleive

that knowledge will come to those who are pure hearted and full of faith, so let

us all go in that path, and Maharishis decide.

> With kind regards,

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> P.S. I see no fury at all, nor should there be any

>

> > Sri Ganesaya Namah

> >

> > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> >

> > I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would

answer " Yes " or " No " to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to

the Freedom's answer.

> >

> > Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view /

understanding /perspective or whatever you call it.

> >

> > Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and

other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll

withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all.

> >

> > I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more

views than Astrology.

> >

> > To all other members,

> >

> > I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings

in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach

the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all

remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach

knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour.

Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if

misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya.

> >

> > The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As

Sri B.V. Raman puts it " Planets only impel not compel. " So, I take all the

happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to

understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons,

traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord

Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those

demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our

efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the

Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is

devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all

increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take

his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating

himself as Varaha Avatara.

> >

> > The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner

consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source,

to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself.

> >

> > So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference

commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system.

> >

> > Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is

much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a

scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries

on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a

dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard

of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries

in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did

that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much

available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that

they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS?

> >

> > " Let the knowledge come from everywhere " is the call by our Vedas.

> >

> > Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in

print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you

diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for

now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge?

> >

> > The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always

welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries.

At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and

think over on that at least for a day. He said " At the end of the day, the

nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini " . In addition, he

cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he

learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never

left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the

new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When

we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras,

we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have

been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to

understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches

of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all

the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least

introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO.

> >

> > If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature

and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of

course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious,

industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of

information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could

get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the

system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many

of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most

scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand

it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who

don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this.

> >

> > Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly

request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Shanmukha

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Om Rishibhyo Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> > >

> > > I do not know what you mean by " stand " . I and 25 others are studying the

> > > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC.

He

> > > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through

> > > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are

many

> > > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's

paramaparik

> > > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to

> > > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say,

> > > Sanjayji's perspective is the " stand " of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us

> > > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his

> > > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in

the

> > > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us

> > > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice.

> > >

> > > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has

> > > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini.

When

> > > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are

> > > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our

> > > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask

you

> > > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph

> > > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's

> > > perspective on this matter.

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani Rath

> > >

> > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > >

> > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > >

> > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > >

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf

Of

> > > Shanmukha

> > > 05 August 2009 13:03

> > > sohamsa

> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namah Sivaya,

> > >

> > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> > >

> > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.//

> > >

> > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as

> > > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Shanmukha

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ,

" Sarbani

> > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Om Srigurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> > > >

> > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

> > > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

> > > > questions are beyond the scope of administration.

> > > >

> > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of

> > > Kalpalatha

> > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No

commentator

> > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They

are

> > > > clear about this.

> > > >

> > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.

> > > >

> > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different

from

> > > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of

learning

> > > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from

> > > Books.

> > > >

> > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not

> > > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in

> > > this

> > > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes

> > > > Narasimha or anyone else.

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sarbani Rath

> > > >

> > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > > >

> > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > > >

> > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > > >

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > Shanmukha

> > > > 03 August 2009 23:30

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> > > >

> > > > OH, is it?

> > > >

> > > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two

> > > different

> > > > systems? "

> > > >

> > > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence

and

> > > > seek excuses from anyone concerned.

> > > >

> > > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India

(Aren't

> > > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

> > > >

> > > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ???

> > > >

> > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

> > > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But,

Why

> > > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay

is

> > > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much

> > > knowledge

> > > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

> > > >

> > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

> > > >

> > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

> > > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from

> > > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are

> > > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books.

> > > >

> > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from

what

> > > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning

will

> > > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

> > > >

> > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No

commentator

> > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They

are

> > > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system.

> > > >

> > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary

> > > exclusively

> > > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > > Jaimini

> > > > wrote the same science.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > Shanmukha

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani

> > > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shanmukha,

> > > > >

> > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote

> > > the

> > > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be

> > > interested

> > > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also,

> > > Narasimha

> > > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji

> > > has

> > > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarbani Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> > > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/>

http://.org

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40> ] On

> > > > Behalf Of

> > > > > teli Shanmukha

> > > > > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Goel Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri

> > > Narasimha

> > > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

> > > > commentators

> > > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is

not

> > > a

> > > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I

only

> > > > > said time will prove his findings.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > > > > different from what is existing.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of

> > > sthira

> > > > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same

> > > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still

> > > give

> > > > a

> > > > > try.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

> > > > wonderful

> > > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru

and

> > > he

> > > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the

winner.

> > > As

> > > > a

> > > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my

humble

> > > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > > > > anything on a rasi dasa.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I seek your blessings.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Shanmukha

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

> > > > > Re :Sthir dasa

> > > > > teli_sha2002@

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> > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> > > > >

> > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> > > > >

> > > > > You will get the results.

> > > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

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"Dear ahimsavm and groupWithout a Guru nobody can learn Jyotish and faith in Guru is much more important than anything else to learn jyotish.I appreciate the faith you have in your guru and this is the need of the hour for all seekers of jyotishI have read blogs of PVRji,Visti Larsen,Sarajit poddar and many other students of SJC parampara and i hope all of them give their original views on their blog for benefit of seekers of astrology to learn when they are not able to come in person and join classes of Devaguru Brihaspati centre or individual centers started by some

of them.Some of the articles written by them which quote ancient classics are good and they have made it wonderful with their scholarly writing.YEt there are many articles which dont have essential backing of scriptures but only name of parampara behind are not helpful to many as the principles in them never work in reality at all.Some have mixed jaimini system and parasara system while giving predictions advocating jaimini principles in BPHS is same as that of what original Jaimini sutras is totally dubious.if one does a wide reading ,one can understand that BPHS we have is not the original text written by sage parashara and its authenticity is in

doubt.Its status being text book of astrology has been achieved with the help of publishers and publicity stunts.Nobody knows how many chapters the real BPHS contains and whether the original compiler was parashara or not.if that being the case,what abt the jaimini principles in BPHS which says argalas can be considered for houses also.If we read Jaimini sutras,it is made very clear that argalas apply only for planets and not for others.Regarding Jaimini being a secret parampara i fully agree.But as Shanmukha contends we have with us only four adhyayas available of which the last 2 are not very pure or original.Unless we try to learn from

the commentaries we cannot move forward in learning the jaimini system a wholeOne should not claim scholarship of jaimini system by just learning 4 adhyayas taught by guru when there is lot of material to be studied on Jaimini.Quoting one example,Are you sure when rahu can be taken as atmakaraka.We see so many articles circulating in the form of teaching on charakarakas when enough research has not been done to find out assignment of charakarakas correctlyYou claim some secret teachings of jaimini in your parampara.Shri shanmukha as you know has given his manuscripts to the internet wanting people to

learn and test jaimini more freely which has to be welcomed .But your views are like -i have learnt secrets in jaimini principles which works perfectly well and we the 26 students will not share as it is something divine.I am sure if that secret is true,one of your 26 colleagues would have written an research article by now with 10 examples of few famous personalities.I see most of the principles discussed in articles will work only on those charts and not on other ordinary people charts. P.S.It is always easy to explain the fructification of Rajayogas in famous personalities chart.Claiming secrecy and saying that true seekers of knowledge will

defenitely understand Jaimini from their guru is an escapist statement to a big extent.It is like scoring a centum in theory exams when the answer paper is corrected by his own school teacher and failing in practical exams when supervised by external examiner because of lack of demonstrating ability.So claiming there are many secrets in first 4 adhyayas that were not brought to light by giants like Suryanarayana rao or B.V.Raman or Irangati Rangacharya is not accceptable.Though i am not part of your DBC Or JMUS or belong to Shri Rangacharya school ,it is very easily understood that there are not much secrets in first 4 adhyayas that

arent explored by the above mentioned authors in their books.Most of the above authors are humble and they have expressed their views only in places where they cannot do justice and did not impose anything on readers or claim the shlokas having a mystical meaning wherever they are uncertain.That is why we need to research on older commnetaries to find out the "real secrets" in Jaimini system.Call of shanmukha for this is very genuine.Only barrier we have is language.some works are in telugu as all of us here may not know or understand telugu as the language is confined to a single state.Some are in Sanskrit and it is very hard to find sanskrit scholars

who is well versed in vedanga .Astrology will work very superbly if applied on well known charts retrospectively.As parameters are many ,one can take the parameters which is helping him in the chart and can prove the happening of an event in the chart.The real test lies in predicting an event beforehand using jaimini system and dashas with the available knowledge in your parampara and then it will be definetely appreciated by all.I wish to see scholarly debates and articles on Jaimini (which works universally )from you rather than views on jaimini .There can be only one meaning for each of the sutras.Either one among Sanjay Ji or

Suryanarayana Ji or Rangacharya Ji in intrepreting a particular sutra because Jaimini maharishi would have had only 1 meaning for it while writing a sutra.The duty and geniousness of the commentator/translator is to find the actual meaning.If you mean to say all can coexist in peace ,it brings to a full stop to progress in learning real astrology."pranams'Vishnu--- On Sat, 8/8/09, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002 wrote:Shanmukha <teli_sha2002 Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasasohamsa Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009,

10:36 AM

 

 

Sri Ganesaya Namah

 

Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

 

I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer "Yes" or "No" to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the Freedom's answer.

 

Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view / understanding /perspective or whatever you call it.

 

Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all.

 

I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views than Astrology.

 

To all other members,

 

I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya.

 

The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri B.V. Raman puts it "Planets only impel not compel." So, I take all the happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons, traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating himself as Varaha Avatara.

 

The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source, to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself.

 

So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system.

 

Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS?

 

"Let the knowledge come from everywhere" is the call by our Vedas.

 

Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge?

 

The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries. At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and think over on that at least for a day. He said "At the end of the day, the nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini". In addition, he cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras, we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to understand Sutra

Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO.

 

If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious, industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this.

 

Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all.

 

Regards,

Shanmukha

 

sohamsa@ .com, "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani > wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Om Rishibhyo Namah

>

> Dear Shanmukha Teli,

>

> I do not know what you mean by "stand". I and 25 others are studying the

> Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He

> is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through

> which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many

> astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik

> teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to

> discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say,

> Sanjayji's perspective is the "stand" of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us

> studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his

> perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the

> way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us

> have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice.

>

> As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has

> tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When

> we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are

> actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our

> reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you

> to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph

> itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's

> perspective on this matter.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com

>

> Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>

> http://sagittariusp ublications. com

>

> Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com

>

> Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// .org/> http:// .org

>

>

>

> sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of

> Shanmukha

> 05 August 2009 13:03

> sohamsa@ .com

> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

>

>

>

>

>

> Om Namah Sivaya,

>

> Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath,

>

> //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.//

>

> Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as

> well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator?

>

> Regards,

> Shanmukha

>

> sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> , "Sarbani

> Rath" <sarbani@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Om Srigurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> >

> > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

> > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

> > questions are beyond the scope of administration.

> >

> > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of

> Kalpalatha

> > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> > clear about this.

> >

> > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words.. He indeed was very

> > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.

> >

> > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from

> > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning

> > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from

> Books.

> >

> > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not

> > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in

> this

> > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes

> > Narasimha or anyone else.

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Sarbani Rath

> >

> > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com

> >

> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>

> > http://sagittariusp ublications. com

> >

> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com

> >

> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// .org/> http:// .org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On

> Behalf Of

> > Shanmukha

> > 03 August 2009 23:30

> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namah Sivaya

> >

> > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> >

> > OH, is it?

> >

> > Do you mean SJC promotes "Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two

> different

> > systems?"

> >

> > If your answer is "YES", then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and

> > seek excuses from anyone concerned.

> >

> > If you answer is "NO", why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't

> > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

> >

> > If your answer is "No Comment" or a similar one, then ???

> >

> > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

> > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

> >

> > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why

> > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is

> > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much

> knowledge

> > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

> >

> > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

> >

> > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

> > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from

> > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are

> > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books.

> >

> > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what

> > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will

> > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

> >

> > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > Jaimini wrote one and the same system.

> >

> > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary

> exclusively

> > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage

> Jaimini

> > wrote the same science.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Shanmukha

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> <sohamsa% 40. com> , "Sarbani

> > Rath" <sarbani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear Shanmukha,

> > >

> > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote

> the

> > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be

> interested

> > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also,

> Narasimha

> > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji

> has

> > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani Rath

> > >

> > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com

> > >

> > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>

> > > http://sagittariusp ublications. com

> > >

> > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com

> > >

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// ..org/> http:// .org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On

> > Behalf Of

> > > teli Shanmukha

> > > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > > sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste Goel Ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri

> Narasimha

> > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

> > commentators

> > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not

> a

> > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only

> > > said time will prove his findings.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > > different from what is existing.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of

> sthira

> > > dasa as "A Sthira Dasa of Parasara", when both Sages writes the same

> > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still

> give

> > a

> > > try.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

> > wonderful

> > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and

> he

> > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

> > doesn't

> > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner.

> As

> > a

> > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara.. In my humble

> > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > > anything on a rasi dasa.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I seek your blessings.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Shanmukha

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ >

> > > Re :Sthir dasa

> > > teli_sha2002@

> > > Cc: "sohamsa" <sohamsa@ .com

> <sohamsa% 40. com> <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > >

> > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

> > >

> > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> > >

> > > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> > >

> > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> > >

> > > You will get the results.

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

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Dear Zoranaji - NamaskarThanks.Best explanation.Good eyeopener. Regards..Satish.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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+91-9981601638--- On Sun, 9/8/09, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:ahimsavm <ahimsans Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasasohamsa Date: Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 1:41 AM

 

 

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Shanmukha,

I have been following these threads and as a silent and too busy to regularly participate on the list, I must sincerelly say that I get tired of reading the same view stand again and again. I personally read your website, appriciate and welcome your point to prove and follow the teachings of your Guru, but also myself and I beleive Sarbani Rath and others do the same. I have read all the commentaries and books of your Guru Sri Rangacharya and appriciate and pay him respect much, but I am perfectly fine and thankful to my Guru Pt. Sanyay Rath, find his ways of teaching the sutra perfectly fine with me, and perfectly working in the charts and practical experience as far as I am concerned. So I see no reason why we cannot both coexist in peace and follow our own paths, without proving to each other who is right or wrong. As it is, I repeat again, I have been taught the sutras by Pt. Sanjay Rath, and find this teaching a great blessing and perfectly true

for me, as I beleive Sarbani and others do, including you with the teachings of your Guru to you. So, why not the things reaming as they are and coexist in peace.I beleive that you will alwyas think and beleive in the words of your Guru as absolute truth, and so do we, and nothing will change that at least as far as I am concerned, and most likely the same holds true for my gurubhais.

So, all schollarly debates are always welcomed however, they should flow in tolerance and peace, with respect for both sides.If we fail to agree, so what, the world will not end:)

Regarding the official stand of SJC which you are instisting on, as students of Jaimini sutras, many things are taught as a part of secret teachings (which I beleive you also your self stated as "secret"), and Sarbani is right. That was taught only directly by Pt. Sanjay Rath to his 26 students, and will remain as such no matter how much people try to push it out. I also personally beleive that knowledge will come to those who are pure hearted and full of faith, so let us all go in that path, and Maharishis decide.

With kind regards,

Zoran Radosavljevic

P.S. I see no fury at all, nor should there be any

 

> Sri Ganesaya Namah

>

> Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

>

> I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer "Yes" or "No" to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the Freedom's answer.

>

> Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view / understanding /perspective or whatever you call it.

>

> Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all.

>

> I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views than Astrology.

>

> To all other members,

>

> I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya.

>

> The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri B.V. Raman puts it "Planets only impel not compel." So, I take all the happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons, traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating himself as Varaha Avatara.

>

> The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source, to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself.

>

> So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system.

>

> Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS?

>

> "Let the knowledge come from everywhere" is the call by our Vedas.

>

> Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge?

>

> The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries.. At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and think over on that at least for a day. He said "At the end of the day, the nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini". In addition, he cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before.. That's how he learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life.. Unfortunately, now the new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras, we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to understand

Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO..

>

> If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious, industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this.

>

> Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all.

>

> Regards,

> Shanmukha

>

>

>

> sohamsa@ .com, "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > Om Rishibhyo Namah

> >

> > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> >

> > I do not know what you mean by "stand". I and 25 others are studying the

> > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He

> > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through

> > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many

> > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik

> > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to

> > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say,

> > Sanjayji's perspective is the "stand" of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us

> > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his

> > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the

> > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us

> > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice.

> >

> > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has

> > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When

> > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are

> > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our

> > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you

> > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph

> > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's

> > perspective on this matter.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Sarbani Rath

> >

> > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com

> >

> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>

> > http://sagittariusp ublications. com

> >

> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com

> >

> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// .org/> http:// .org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of

> > Shanmukha

> > 05 August 2009 13:03

> > sohamsa@ .com

> > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namah Sivaya,

> >

> > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> >

> > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.//

> >

> > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as

> > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Shanmukha

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> , "Sarbani

> > Rath" <sarbani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > Om Srigurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Shanmukha Teli,

> > >

> > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the

> > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your

> > > questions are beyond the scope of administration.

> > >

> > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of

> > Kalpalatha

> > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> > > clear about this.

> > >

> > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very

> > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.

> > >

> > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from

> > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning

> > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from

> > Books.

> > >

> > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not

> > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in

> > this

> > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes

> > > Narasimha or anyone else.

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani Rath

> > >

> > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com

> > >

> > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>

> > > http://sagittariusp ublications. com

> > >

> > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com

> > >

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// .org/> http:// .org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On

> > Behalf Of

> > > Shanmukha

> > > 03 August 2009 23:30

> > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > >

> > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,

> > >

> > > OH, is it?

> > >

> > > Do you mean SJC promotes "Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two

> > different

> > > systems?"

> > >

> > > If your answer is "YES", then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and

> > > seek excuses from anyone concerned.

> > >

> > > If you answer is "NO", why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't

> > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?

> > >

> > > If your answer is "No Comment" or a similar one, then ???

> > >

> > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some

> > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation?

> > >

> > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why

> > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is

> > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much

> > knowledge

> > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it?

> > >

> > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.

> > >

> > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in

> > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from

> > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are

> > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books.

> > >

> > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what

> > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will

> > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.

> > >

> > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha

> > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator

> > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage

> > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are

> > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system.

> > >

> > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary

> > exclusively

> > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage

> > Jaimini

> > > wrote the same science.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > > Shanmukha

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > <sohamsa% 40. com> , "Sarbani

> > > Rath" <sarbani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shanmukha,

> > > >

> > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote

> > the

> > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be

> > interested

> > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also,

> > Narasimha

> > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji

> > has

> > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars.

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sarbani Rath

> > > >

> > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com

> > > >

> > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>

> > > > http://sagittariusp ublications. com

> > > >

> > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com

> > > >

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// ..org/> http:// .org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > > [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > teli Shanmukha

> > > > 02 August 2009 19:40

> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Namah Sivaya

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Goel Ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri

> > Narasimha

> > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient

> > > commentators

> > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not

> > a

> > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only

> > > > said time will prove his findings.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically

> > > > different from what is existing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same

> > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of

> > sthira

> > > > dasa as "A Sthira Dasa of Parasara", when both Sages writes the same

> > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still

> > give

> > > a

> > > > try.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote

> > > wonderful

> > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and

> > he

> > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he

> > > doesn't

> > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner.

> > As

> > > a

> > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble

> > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing

> > > > anything on a rasi dasa.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I seek your blessings.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Shanmukha

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ >

> > > > Re :Sthir dasa

> > > > teli_sha2002@

> > > > Cc: "sohamsa" <sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa% 40. com> <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM

> > > >

> > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,

> > > >

> > > > NO BODY IS LAYING.

> > > >

> > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.

> > > >

> > > > You will get the results.

> > > >

> > > > Regards.

> > > >

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > >

> > > >

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