Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Dear Sarbani Rath Sanjay ji and PVR ji views about jaimini and parashara sharing the same jyotish principles can be seen in the books authored by them resepectively. 1.crux of vedic astrology 2.Astrology-An integrated approach You can check the first few pages of the book for this information. Thanks Vishnu sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Shanmukha, > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > teli Shanmukha > 02 August 2009 19:40 > sohamsa > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > said time will prove his findings. > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > different from what is existing. > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a > try. > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As a > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > Regards, > > Shanmukha > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 > Re :Sthir dasa > teli_sha2002 > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > You will get the results. > > Regards. > > G.K.GOEL > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > Click here > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > Click here > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > > > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > Click here > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Om Namah Sivaya Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, OH, is it? Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different systems? " If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and seek excuses from anyone concerned. If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote one and the same system. If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote the same science. Warm Regards, Shanmukha sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Shanmukha, > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > teli Shanmukha > 02 August 2009 19:40 > sohamsa > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > said time will prove his findings. > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > different from what is existing. > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a > try. > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As a > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > Regards, > > Shanmukha > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 > Re :Sthir dasa > teli_sha2002 > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > You will get the results. > > Regards. > > G.K.GOEL > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > Click here > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > Click here > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > > > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna From my understanding, proper study of both texts makes it apparent that no where do Jaimini or Parashara contradict each other, and that Jaimini is elaborating what has been said by his guru/paramguru Parashara. In the teachings of Guruji (Sri Sanjay Rath), where weeks are spent on small sections of MJUS, never have I seen any teaching not complement the teachings of Parashara/BPHS. Such scholars as Pingree may state that BPHS was "written" in the 800-850 time period, others may say it was "compiled" in that time period, but the teaching and techniques are extremely older-that is another topic. Just a small point that I need to mention in your thinking: "No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini." Parashara never says he created this science, nor does Jiamini. Parashara often states "according to the sages", or other such statements which infer he is refering to his elders and other contemporary astrologers. It may be a major treatise for us, but that is because it is what has survived down to us. At the time of these rishis, they were all practicing a similar well developed system of astrology (there are always disagreements about individual points like 7 or 8 charakarakas, etc) but the fundamantal astrological system is the same. When Guruji teaches, Parashara, Jaimini, nadi texts, Puranas, Varahamihira, etc.,they stand as a fundamantally unitative system of astrology complimenting each other with occasionally varying techniques. Often one text will elaborate the reasoning for certain statements in another. The Lame Muni teaches in his Saturnian style, and Jaimini teaches in his Ketu style, but the fundamental teachings are not different. Try to understand all of Parashara's statements in his chapters of each house without "nadi techniques" and it is not possible- this and many other details show Parashara was very aware of these techniques- even if he does not directly teach them. It is easy to box these systems as seperate, but much more work to understand their unity. "Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS." After studying with Guruji for years and reading his Jaimini translation four times, I could not have fathomed the depth he has taken each Sutra to. It has been wonderful to watch him take one sutra and work on it for two or three days to show the complexity of the Mahrshi's teaching hidden in the one sutra. Freedom Aum Namah Shivaya Shanmukha <teli_sha2002sohamsa Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 10:59:56 AM Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa Om Namah SivayaNamaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,OH, is it? Do you mean SJC promotes "Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different systems?" If your answer is "YES", then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and seek excuses from anyone concerned. If you answer is "NO", why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?If your answer is "No Comment" or a similar one, then ??? Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote one and the same system. If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote the same science.. Warm Regards,Shanmukha sohamsa@ .com, "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani > wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Shanmukha,> > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the> same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested> to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha> never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has> never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani Rath> > Homepage: <http://sarbani.. com/> http://sarbani. com> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>> http://sagittariusp ublications. com> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org> > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of> teli Shanmukha> 02 August 2009 19:40> sohamsa@ .com> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya> > > > Namaste Goel Ji,> > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha> wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators> had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a> scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only> said time will prove his findings.> > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically> different from what is existing.> > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same> science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira> dasa as "A Sthira Dasa of Parasara", when both Sages writes the same> science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a> try. > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful> commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he> has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't> mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As a> matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble> opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing> anything on a rasi dasa.> > > > I seek your blessings.> > > > Regards,> > Shanmukha> > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:> > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...>> Re :Sthir dasa> teli_sha2002@ ...> Cc: "sohamsa" <sohamsa@ .com>> Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM> > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,> > NO BODY IS LAYING.> > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.> > You will get the results.> > Regards.> > G.K.GOEL> > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.> Click here> <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> .> > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.> Click here> <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> .> > > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Hare Rama Krsna Shanmukha, Please read the preface to Guruji's MJUS (all is said clearly on the first page). Shanmukha <teli_sha2002sohamsa Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 10:59:56 AM Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa Om Namah SivayaNamaste Smt. Sarbani Rath,OH, is it? Do you mean SJC promotes "Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different systems?" If your answer is "YES", then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and seek excuses from anyone concerned. If you answer is "NO", why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't you?) declare your stand on this, once for all?If your answer is "No Comment" or a similar one, then ??? Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC.I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books.I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote one and the same system. If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote the same science.. Warm Regards,Shanmukha sohamsa@ .com, "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani > wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Shanmukha,> > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the> same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested> to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha> never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has> never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > Best Regards,> > Sarbani Rath> > Homepage: <http://sarbani.. com/> http://sarbani. com> > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/>> http://sagittariusp ublications. com> > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com> > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org> > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of> teli Shanmukha> 02 August 2009 19:40> sohamsa@ .com> Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya> > > > Namaste Goel Ji,> > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha> wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators> had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a> scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only> said time will prove his findings.> > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically> different from what is existing.> > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same> science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira> dasa as "A Sthira Dasa of Parasara", when both Sages writes the same> science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a> try. > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful> commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he> has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't> mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As a> matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble> opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing> anything on a rasi dasa.> > > > I seek your blessings.> > > > Regards,> > Shanmukha> > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:> > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...>> Re :Sthir dasa> teli_sha2002@ ...> Cc: "sohamsa" <sohamsa@ .com>> Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM> > DEAR SHANMUKH JI,> > NO BODY IS LAYING.> > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says.> > You will get the results.> > Regards.> > G.K.GOEL> > > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.> Click here> <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> .> > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more.> Click here> <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> .> > > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Om Namah Sivaya Dear Sri Freedom, Thank you for your response and referring me to Sri Sanjay's book. I hope my questions are clear and so is your mail. I got the answers. As you vouch from you study, I vouch from my study that both are two different systems and they don't contradicts each other. Why do you read between the lines of BPHS and assume He might know the other concepts as well, when there are other sources clearly explain these concepts ? It is very easy to box them as same, but again, it needs much more work to understand their subtlety. Warm Regards, Shanmukha sohamsa , Freedomji <freeflowaum wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > From my understanding, proper study of both texts makes it apparent that no where do Jaimini or Parashara contradict each other, and that Jaimini is elaborating what has been said by his guru/paramguru Parashara. In the teachings of Guruji (Sri Sanjay Rath), where weeks are spent on small sections of MJUS, never have I seen any teaching not complement the teachings of Parashara/BPHS. > > Such scholars as Pingree may state that BPHS was " written " in the 800-850 time period, others may say it was " compiled " in that time period, but the teaching and techniques are extremely older-that is another topic. > > Just a small point that I need to mention in your thinking: " No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. " > > Parashara never says he created this science, nor does Jiamini. Parashara often states " according to the sages " , or other such statements which infer he is refering to his elders and other contemporary astrologers. It may be a major treatise for us, but that is because it is what has survived down to us. At the time of these rishis, they were all practicing a similar well developed system of astrology (there are always disagreements about individual points like 7 or 8 charakarakas, etc) but the fundamantal astrological system is the same. When Guruji teaches, Parashara, Jaimini, nadi texts, Puranas, Varahamihira, etc.,they stand as a fundamantally unitative system of astrology complimenting each other with occasionally varying techniques. Often one text will elaborate the reasoning for certain statements in another. The Lame Muni teaches in his Saturnian style, and Jaimini teaches in his Ketu style, but the fundamental teachings are not different. > Try to understand all of Parashara's statements in his chapters of each house without " nadi techniques " and it is not possible- this and many other details show Parashara was very aware of these techniques- even if he does not directly teach them. It is easy to box these systems as seperate, but much more work to understand their unity. > > " Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS. " > > After studying with Guruji for years and reading his Jaimini translation four times, I could not have fathomed the depth he has taken each Sutra to. It has been wonderful to watch him take one sutra and work on it for two or three days to show the complexity of the Mahrshi's teaching hidden in the one sutra. > > Freedom > Aum Namah Shivaya > > > > > ________________________________ > Shanmukha <teli_sha2002 > sohamsa > Monday, August 3, 2009 10:59:56 AM > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > OH, is it? > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different systems? " > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote the same science. > > Warm Regards, > Shanmukha > > sohamsa@ .com, " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@ > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/> > > http://sagittariusp ublications. com > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of > > teli Shanmukha > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > sohamsa@ .com > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a > > try. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As a > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Shanmukha > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> > > Re :Sthir dasa > > teli_sha2002@ ... > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa@ .com> > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > > > You will get the results.. > > > > Regards. > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > Click here > > <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> . > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Om Srigurave Namah Dear Shanmukha Teli, Om Shanti. I hope Freedom’s mail has helped clarify. I supplement the following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your questions are beyond the scope of administration. ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this. So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi’s words. He indeed was very unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in this 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes Narasimha or anyone else. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Homepage: http://sarbani.com Sagittarius Publications: http://sagittariuspublications.com Sohamsa: http://sohamsa.com Sri Jagannath Centre: http://.org sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Shanmukha 03 August 2009 23:30 sohamsa Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa Om Namah Sivaya Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, OH, is it? Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different systems? " If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and seek excuses from anyone concerned. If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote one and the same system. If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote the same science. Warm Regards, Shanmukha sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Shanmukha, > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > teli Shanmukha > 02 August 2009 19:40 > sohamsa > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient commentators > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > said time will prove his findings. > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > different from what is existing. > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give a > try. > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote wonderful > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he doesn't > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As a > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > Regards, > > Shanmukha > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 > Re :Sthir dasa > teli_sha2002 > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > You will get the results. > > Regards. > > G.K.GOEL > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > Click here > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> .. > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > Click here > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> .. > > > > > > _____ > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Om Namah Sivaya, Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath, //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.// Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator? Regards, Shanmukha sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Om Srigurave Namah > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your > questions are beyond the scope of administration. > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > clear about this. > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in this > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes > Narasimha or anyone else. > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Shanmukha > 03 August 2009 23:30 > sohamsa > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > OH, is it? > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different > systems? " > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and > seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage > Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini > wrote the same science. > > Warm Regards, > Shanmukha > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On > Behalf Of > > teli Shanmukha > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient > commentators > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give > a > > try. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote > wonderful > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he > doesn't > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As > a > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Shanmukha > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> > > Re :Sthir dasa > > teli_sha2002@ > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > > > You will get the results. > > > > Regards. > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > Click here > > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > Click here > > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > Click here > > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Mr.Shanmukha,Freedom Cole and others Stand of SJC I have read the books of Shri Sanjay RAth and Shri P.V.R.Rao namely crux of vedic astrology and vedic astrology-integrated approach They both maintain that Parashara and Jaimini taught the same system of astrology with minor differences regards vivek sohamsa , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002 wrote: > > Om Namah Sivaya, > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.// > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator? > > Regards, > Shanmukha > > sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Om Srigurave Namah > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your > > questions are beyond the scope of administration. > > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > clear about this. > > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. > > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in this > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes > > Narasimha or anyone else. > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > Shanmukha > > 03 August 2009 23:30 > > sohamsa > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > OH, is it? > > > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different > > systems? " > > > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and > > seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? > > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini > > wrote the same science. > > > > Warm Regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On > > Behalf Of > > > teli Shanmukha > > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient > > commentators > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira > > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give > > a > > > try. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote > > wonderful > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he > > doesn't > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As > > a > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > > > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> > > > Re :Sthir dasa > > > teli_sha2002@ > > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > > > > > You will get the results. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Om Rishibhyo Namah Dear Shanmukha Teli, I do not know what you mean by “stand”. I and 25 others are studying the Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji’s paramaparik teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say, Sanjayji’s perspective is the “stand” of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice. As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom’s recommendation to you and ask you to read Sanjayji’s Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji’s perspective on this matter. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Homepage: http://sarbani.com Sagittarius Publications: http://sagittariuspublications.com Sohamsa: http://sohamsa.com Sri Jagannath Centre: http://.org sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Shanmukha 05 August 2009 13:03 sohamsa Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa Om Namah Sivaya, Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath, //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.// Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator? Regards, Shanmukha sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Om Srigurave Namah > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your > questions are beyond the scope of administration. > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > clear about this. > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in this > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes > Narasimha or anyone else. > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Shanmukha > 03 August 2009 23:30 > sohamsa > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > OH, is it? > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two different > systems? " > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and > seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much knowledge > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage > Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary exclusively > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini > wrote the same science. > > Warm Regards, > Shanmukha > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be interested > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, Narasimha > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji has > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On > Behalf Of > > teli Shanmukha > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri Narasimha > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient > commentators > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not a > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of sthira > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still give > a > > try. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote > wonderful > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and he > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he > doesn't > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. As > a > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Shanmukha > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> > > Re :Sthir dasa > > teli_sha2002@ > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > > > You will get the results. > > > > Regards. > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > Click here > > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> .. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Sri Ganesaya Namah Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer " Yes " or " No " to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the Freedom's answer. Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view / understanding /perspective or whatever you call it. Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all. I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views than Astrology. To all other members, I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya. The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri B.V. Raman puts it " Planets only impel not compel. " So, I take all the happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons, traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating himself as Varaha Avatara. The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source, to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself. So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system. Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS? " Let the knowledge come from everywhere " is the call by our Vedas. Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge? The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries. At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and think over on that at least for a day. He said " At the end of the day, the nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini " . In addition, he cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras, we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO. If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious, industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this. Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all. Regards, Shanmukha sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Om Rishibhyo Namah > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > I do not know what you mean by " stand " . I and 25 others are studying the > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say, > Sanjayji's perspective is the " stand " of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice. > > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's > perspective on this matter. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Shanmukha > 05 August 2009 13:03 > sohamsa > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya, > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.// > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator? > > Regards, > Shanmukha > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Om Srigurave Namah > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your > > questions are beyond the scope of administration. > > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of > Kalpalatha > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > clear about this. > > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. > > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from > Books. > > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in > this > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes > > Narasimha or anyone else. > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On > Behalf Of > > Shanmukha > > 03 August 2009 23:30 > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > OH, is it? > > > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two > different > > systems? " > > > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and > > seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? > > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much > knowledge > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary > exclusively > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage > Jaimini > > wrote the same science. > > > > Warm Regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote > the > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be > interested > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, > Narasimha > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji > has > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > <sohamsa%40> > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > <sohamsa%40> ] On > > Behalf Of > > > teli Shanmukha > > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > <sohamsa%40> > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri > Narasimha > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient > > commentators > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not > a > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of > sthira > > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still > give > > a > > > try. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote > > wonderful > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and > he > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he > > doesn't > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. > As > > a > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > > > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> > > > Re :Sthir dasa > > > teli_sha2002@ > > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > > > > > You will get the results. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Om Gurave Namah, Dear Shanmukha, I have been following these threads and as a silent and too busy to regularly participate on the list, I must sincerelly say that I get tired of reading the same view stand again and again. I personally read your website, appriciate and welcome your point to prove and follow the teachings of your Guru, but also myself and I beleive Sarbani Rath and others do the same. I have read all the commentaries and books of your Guru Sri Rangacharya and appriciate and pay him respect much, but I am perfectly fine and thankful to my Guru Pt. Sanyay Rath, find his ways of teaching the sutra perfectly fine with me, and perfectly working in the charts and practical experience as far as I am concerned. So I see no reason why we cannot both coexist in peace and follow our own paths, without proving to each other who is right or wrong. As it is, I repeat again, I have been taught the sutras by Pt. Sanjay Rath, and find this teaching a great blessing and perfectly true for me, as I beleive Sarbani and others do, including you with the teachings of your Guru to you. So, why not the things reaming as they are and coexist in peace.I beleive that you will alwyas think and beleive in the words of your Guru as absolute truth, and so do we, and nothing will change that at least as far as I am concerned, and most likely the same holds true for my gurubhais. So, all schollarly debates are always welcomed however, they should flow in tolerance and peace, with respect for both sides.If we fail to agree, so what, the world will not end:) Regarding the official stand of SJC which you are instisting on, as students of Jaimini sutras, many things are taught as a part of secret teachings (which I beleive you also your self stated as " secret " ), and Sarbani is right. That was taught only directly by Pt. Sanjay Rath to his 26 students, and will remain as such no matter how much people try to push it out. I also personally beleive that knowledge will come to those who are pure hearted and full of faith, so let us all go in that path, and Maharishis decide. With kind regards, Zoran Radosavljevic P.S. I see no fury at all, nor should there be any > Sri Ganesaya Namah > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer " Yes " or " No " to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the Freedom's answer. > > Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view / understanding /perspective or whatever you call it. > > Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all. > > I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views than Astrology. > > To all other members, > > I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya. > > The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri B.V. Raman puts it " Planets only impel not compel. " So, I take all the happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons, traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating himself as Varaha Avatara. > > The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source, to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself. > > So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system. > > Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS? > > " Let the knowledge come from everywhere " is the call by our Vedas. > > Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge? > > The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries. At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and think over on that at least for a day. He said " At the end of the day, the nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini " . In addition, he cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras, we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO. > > If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious, industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this. > > Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all. > > Regards, > Shanmukha > > > > sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Om Rishibhyo Namah > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > I do not know what you mean by " stand " . I and 25 others are studying the > > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He > > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through > > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many > > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik > > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to > > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say, > > Sanjayji's perspective is the " stand " of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us > > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his > > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the > > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us > > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice. > > > > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has > > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When > > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are > > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our > > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you > > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph > > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's > > perspective on this matter. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > Shanmukha > > 05 August 2009 13:03 > > sohamsa > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya, > > > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.// > > > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as > > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator? > > > > Regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Om Srigurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the > > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your > > > questions are beyond the scope of administration. > > > > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of > > Kalpalatha > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > > clear about this. > > > > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. > > > > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from > > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning > > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from > > Books. > > > > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not > > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in > > this > > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes > > > Narasimha or anyone else. > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On > > Behalf Of > > > Shanmukha > > > 03 August 2009 23:30 > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > > > OH, is it? > > > > > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two > > different > > > systems? " > > > > > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and > > > seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > > > > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't > > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > > > > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? > > > > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some > > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > > > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why > > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is > > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much > > knowledge > > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > > > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > > > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in > > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from > > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are > > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > > > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what > > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will > > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > > > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage > > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > > > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary > > exclusively > > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage > > Jaimini > > > wrote the same science. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote > > the > > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be > > interested > > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, > > Narasimha > > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji > > has > > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > <sohamsa%40> > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > <sohamsa%40> ] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > teli Shanmukha > > > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri > > Narasimha > > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient > > > commentators > > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not > > a > > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of > > sthira > > > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still > > give > > > a > > > > try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote > > > wonderful > > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and > > he > > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he > > > doesn't > > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. > > As > > > a > > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > > > > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> > > > > Re :Sthir dasa > > > > teli_sha2002@ > > > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > > > > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > > > > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > > > > > > > You will get the results. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > > Click here > > > > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > > Click here > > > > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > > Click here > > > > <http://in.rd./tagline_cricket_2/*http:/cricket.> . > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Shri Ganeshaya Namah Namaste Sri Zoran, Yes, I felt the same and ended the correspondence about the views/stands etc. on this from my side. Yes, both can coexist. I had to write the mail to other memmbers when someone expressed doubts regarding the happenings in the sky and its consequences on Jaimini. I wanted to reassure the Maharshis's teachings will prevail. Though it is redundant, I finally write the following and kindly bear with me. My main issue was a request to all to gather all the available knowledge on this system, which I hope you also agree. I never forced anyone to read my Gurus books, but I wanted all to read all the available info. If you think it otherway I can't help it. Thanks for your appreciation and Blessings Regards, Shanmukha sohamsa , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah, > Dear Shanmukha, > I have been following these threads and as a silent and too busy to regularly participate on the list, I must sincerelly say that I get tired of reading the same view stand again and again. I personally read your website, appriciate and welcome your point to prove and follow the teachings of your Guru, but also myself and I beleive Sarbani Rath and others do the same. I have read all the commentaries and books of your Guru Sri Rangacharya and appriciate and pay him respect much, but I am perfectly fine and thankful to my Guru Pt. Sanyay Rath, find his ways of teaching the sutra perfectly fine with me, and perfectly working in the charts and practical experience as far as I am concerned. So I see no reason why we cannot both coexist in peace and follow our own paths, without proving to each other who is right or wrong. As it is, I repeat again, I have been taught the sutras by Pt. Sanjay Rath, and find this teaching a great blessing and perfectly true for me, as I beleive Sarbani and others do, including you with the teachings of your Guru to you. So, why not the things reaming as they are and coexist in peace.I beleive that you will alwyas think and beleive in the words of your Guru as absolute truth, and so do we, and nothing will change that at least as far as I am concerned, and most likely the same holds true for my gurubhais. > So, all schollarly debates are always welcomed however, they should flow in tolerance and peace, with respect for both sides.If we fail to agree, so what, the world will not end:) > Regarding the official stand of SJC which you are instisting on, as students of Jaimini sutras, many things are taught as a part of secret teachings (which I beleive you also your self stated as " secret " ), and Sarbani is right. That was taught only directly by Pt. Sanjay Rath to his 26 students, and will remain as such no matter how much people try to push it out. I also personally beleive that knowledge will come to those who are pure hearted and full of faith, so let us all go in that path, and Maharishis decide. > With kind regards, > Zoran Radosavljevic > P.S. I see no fury at all, nor should there be any > > > Sri Ganesaya Namah > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer " Yes " or " No " to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the Freedom's answer. > > > > Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view / understanding /perspective or whatever you call it. > > > > Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all. > > > > I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views than Astrology. > > > > To all other members, > > > > I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya. > > > > The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri B.V. Raman puts it " Planets only impel not compel. " So, I take all the happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons, traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating himself as Varaha Avatara. > > > > The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source, to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself. > > > > So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system. > > > > Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS? > > > > " Let the knowledge come from everywhere " is the call by our Vedas. > > > > Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge? > > > > The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries. At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and think over on that at least for a day. He said " At the end of the day, the nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini " . In addition, he cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras, we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO. > > > > If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious, industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this. > > > > Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all. > > > > Regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Om Rishibhyo Namah > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > > > I do not know what you mean by " stand " . I and 25 others are studying the > > > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He > > > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through > > > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many > > > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik > > > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to > > > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say, > > > Sanjayji's perspective is the " stand " of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us > > > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his > > > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the > > > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us > > > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice. > > > > > > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has > > > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When > > > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are > > > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our > > > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you > > > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph > > > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's > > > perspective on this matter. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > > Shanmukha > > > 05 August 2009 13:03 > > > sohamsa > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya, > > > > > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.// > > > > > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as > > > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Om Srigurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > > > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the > > > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your > > > > questions are beyond the scope of administration. > > > > > > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of > > > Kalpalatha > > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > > > clear about this. > > > > > > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. > > > > > > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from > > > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning > > > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from > > > Books. > > > > > > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not > > > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in > > > this > > > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes > > > > Narasimha or anyone else. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > Shanmukha > > > > 03 August 2009 23:30 > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > > > > > OH, is it? > > > > > > > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two > > > different > > > > systems? " > > > > > > > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and > > > > seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > > > > > > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't > > > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > > > > > > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? > > > > > > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some > > > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why > > > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is > > > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much > > > knowledge > > > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > > > > > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > > > > > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in > > > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from > > > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are > > > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > > > > > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what > > > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will > > > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > > > > > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage > > > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > > > > > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary > > > exclusively > > > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage > > > Jaimini > > > > wrote the same science. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > > > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > > > > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote > > > the > > > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be > > > interested > > > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, > > > Narasimha > > > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji > > > has > > > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> ] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > teli Shanmukha > > > > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri > > > Narasimha > > > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient > > > > commentators > > > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not > > > a > > > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > > > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > > > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of > > > sthira > > > > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > > > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still > > > give > > > > a > > > > > try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote > > > > wonderful > > > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and > > > he > > > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he > > > > doesn't > > > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. > > > As > > > > a > > > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. 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Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Zoran sir, You summarized it wonderfully. sohamsa , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah, > Dear Shanmukha, > I have been following these threads and as a silent and too busy to regularly participate on the list, I must sincerelly say that I get tired of reading the same view stand again and again. I personally read your website, appriciate and welcome your point to prove and follow the teachings of your Guru, but also myself and I beleive Sarbani Rath and others do the same. I have read all the commentaries and books of your Guru Sri Rangacharya and appriciate and pay him respect much, but I am perfectly fine and thankful to my Guru Pt. Sanyay Rath, find his ways of teaching the sutra perfectly fine with me, and perfectly working in the charts and practical experience as far as I am concerned. So I see no reason why we cannot both coexist in peace and follow our own paths, without proving to each other who is right or wrong. As it is, I repeat again, I have been taught the sutras by Pt. Sanjay Rath, and find this teaching a great blessing and perfectly true for me, as I beleive Sarbani and others do, including you with the teachings of your Guru to you. So, why not the things reaming as they are and coexist in peace.I beleive that you will alwyas think and beleive in the words of your Guru as absolute truth, and so do we, and nothing will change that at least as far as I am concerned, and most likely the same holds true for my gurubhais. > So, all schollarly debates are always welcomed however, they should flow in tolerance and peace, with respect for both sides.If we fail to agree, so what, the world will not end:) > Regarding the official stand of SJC which you are instisting on, as students of Jaimini sutras, many things are taught as a part of secret teachings (which I beleive you also your self stated as " secret " ), and Sarbani is right. That was taught only directly by Pt. Sanjay Rath to his 26 students, and will remain as such no matter how much people try to push it out. I also personally beleive that knowledge will come to those who are pure hearted and full of faith, so let us all go in that path, and Maharishis decide. > With kind regards, > Zoran Radosavljevic > P.S. I see no fury at all, nor should there be any > > > Sri Ganesaya Namah > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer " Yes " or " No " to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the Freedom's answer. > > > > Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view / understanding /perspective or whatever you call it. > > > > Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all. > > > > I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views than Astrology. > > > > To all other members, > > > > I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya. > > > > The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri B.V. Raman puts it " Planets only impel not compel. " So, I take all the happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons, traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating himself as Varaha Avatara. > > > > The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source, to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself. > > > > So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system. > > > > Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS? > > > > " Let the knowledge come from everywhere " is the call by our Vedas. > > > > Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge? > > > > The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries. At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and think over on that at least for a day. He said " At the end of the day, the nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini " . In addition, he cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras, we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO. > > > > If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious, industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this. > > > > Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all. > > > > Regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Om Rishibhyo Namah > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > > > I do not know what you mean by " stand " . I and 25 others are studying the > > > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He > > > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through > > > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many > > > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik > > > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to > > > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say, > > > Sanjayji's perspective is the " stand " of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us > > > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his > > > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the > > > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us > > > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice. > > > > > > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has > > > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When > > > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are > > > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our > > > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you > > > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph > > > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's > > > perspective on this matter. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > > Shanmukha > > > 05 August 2009 13:03 > > > sohamsa > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya, > > > > > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.// > > > > > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as > > > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Om Srigurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > > > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the > > > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your > > > > questions are beyond the scope of administration. > > > > > > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of > > > Kalpalatha > > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > > > clear about this. > > > > > > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. > > > > > > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from > > > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning > > > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from > > > Books. > > > > > > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not > > > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in > > > this > > > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes > > > > Narasimha or anyone else. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > Shanmukha > > > > 03 August 2009 23:30 > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > > > > > OH, is it? > > > > > > > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two > > > different > > > > systems? " > > > > > > > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and > > > > seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > > > > > > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't > > > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > > > > > > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? > > > > > > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some > > > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why > > > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is > > > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much > > > knowledge > > > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > > > > > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > > > > > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in > > > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from > > > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are > > > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > > > > > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what > > > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will > > > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > > > > > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage > > > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > > > > > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary > > > exclusively > > > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage > > > Jaimini > > > > wrote the same science. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > > > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > > > > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote > > > the > > > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be > > > interested > > > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, > > > Narasimha > > > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji > > > has > > > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> ] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > teli Shanmukha > > > > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri > > > Narasimha > > > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient > > > > commentators > > > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not > > > a > > > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > > > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > > > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of > > > sthira > > > > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > > > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still > > > give > > > > a > > > > > try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote > > > > wonderful > > > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and > > > he > > > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he > > > > doesn't > > > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. > > > As > > > > a > > > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > > > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > > > > > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> > > > > > Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > teli_sha2002@ > > > > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > > > > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > > > > > > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > > > > > > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > > > > > > > > > You will get the results. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear ahimsavm Without a Guru nobody can learn Jyotish and faith in Guru is much more important than anything else to learn jyotish.I appreciate the faith you have in your guru and this is the need of the hour for all seekers of jyotish I have read blogs of PVRji,Visti Larsen,Sarajit poddar and many other students of SJC parampara and i hope all of them give their original views on their blog for benefit of seekers of astrology to learn when they are not able to come in person and join classes of Devaguru Brihaspati centre or individual centers started by some of them.Some of the articles written by them which quote ancient classics are good and they have made it wonderful with their scholarly writing.YEt there are many articles which dont have essential backing of scriptures but only name of parampara behind are not helpful to many as the principles in them never work in reality at all.Some have mixed jaimini system and parasara system while giving predictions advocating jaimini principles in BPHS is same as that of what original Jaimini sutras is totally dubious.if one does a wide reading ,one can understand that BPHS we have is not the original text written by sage parashara and its authenticity is in doubt.Its status being text book of astrology has occured with the help of publishers and publicity stunts. Regarding Jaimini being a secret parampara i fully agree.But as Shanmukha contends we have with us only four adhyayas available of which the last 2 are not very pure or original.Unless we try to learn from the commentaries we cannot move forward in learning the jaimini system a whole One should not claim scholarship of jaimini system by just learning 4 adhyayas taught by guru when there is lot of material to be studied on Jaimini. Quoting one example,Are you sure when rahu can be taken as atmakaraka.We see so many articles circulating in the form of teaching on charakarakas when ebough research has not been done to find out assignment of charakarakas correctly You claim some secret teachings of jaimini in your parampara.Shri shanmukha as you know has given his manuscripts to the internet wanting people to learn and test jaimini more freely which has to be welcomed .But your views are like -i have learnt secrets in jaimini principles which works perfectly well and we the 26 students will not share as it is something divine.I am sure if that secret is true,one of your 26 colleagues would have write an research article with 10 examples of few famous personalities.I see most of the principles discussed in articles will work only in those charts and not on other ordinary people charts. P.S.It is always easy to explain the fructification of Rajayogas in famous personalities chart.Claiming secrecy and saying that true seekers of knowledge will defenitely understand Jaimini from their guru is an escapist statement to a big extent.It is like scoring a centum in theory exams when the answer papar is correctly by his own school teacher and failing in practical exams when supervised by external examiner because of lack of demonstrating ability. So claiming there are many secrets in first 4 adhyayas that were not brought to light by giants like Suryanarayana rao or B.V.Raman or Irangati Rangacharya is not accceptable.Though i am not part of your DBLC Or JMUS it is very easily known that there are not much secrets in forst 4 adhyayas that arent explored by the above mentioned authors in their books.Most of the above authors are humble and they have expressed their views only and did not impose anything on readers or claim the shlokas having a mystical meaning wherever they are uncertain. That is why we need to research on older commnetaries to find out the " real secrets " in Jaimini system.Call of shanmukha for this is very genuine.Only barrier we have is language.some works are in telugu as all of us here may not know or understand telugu as the language is confined to a single state.Some are in Sanskrit and it is very hard to find sanskrit scholars who is well versed in vedanga . Astrology will work very superbly if applied on well known charts retrospectively.As parameters are many ,one can take the parameters which is helping him in the chart and can prove the happening of an event in the chart. The real test lies in predicting an event beforehand using jaimini system and dashas with the available knowledge in your parampara and then it will be definetely appreciated by all.I wish to see scholarly debates and articles on Jaimini (which works iniversally )from you rather than views of real jaimini scholarship is claimed. pranams vishnu sohamsa , " ahimsavm " <ahimsans wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah, > Dear Shanmukha, > I have been following these threads and as a silent and too busy to regularly participate on the list, I must sincerelly say that I get tired of reading the same view stand again and again. I personally read your website, appriciate and welcome your point to prove and follow the teachings of your Guru, but also myself and I beleive Sarbani Rath and others do the same. I have read all the commentaries and books of your Guru Sri Rangacharya and appriciate and pay him respect much, but I am perfectly fine and thankful to my Guru Pt. Sanyay Rath, find his ways of teaching the sutra perfectly fine with me, and perfectly working in the charts and practical experience as far as I am concerned. So I see no reason why we cannot both coexist in peace and follow our own paths, without proving to each other who is right or wrong. As it is, I repeat again, I have been taught the sutras by Pt. Sanjay Rath, and find this teaching a great blessing and perfectly true for me, as I beleive Sarbani and others do, including you with the teachings of your Guru to you. So, why not the things reaming as they are and coexist in peace.I beleive that you will alwyas think and beleive in the words of your Guru as absolute truth, and so do we, and nothing will change that at least as far as I am concerned, and most likely the same holds true for my gurubhais. > So, all schollarly debates are always welcomed however, they should flow in tolerance and peace, with respect for both sides.If we fail to agree, so what, the world will not end:) > Regarding the official stand of SJC which you are instisting on, as students of Jaimini sutras, many things are taught as a part of secret teachings (which I beleive you also your self stated as " secret " ), and Sarbani is right. That was taught only directly by Pt. Sanjay Rath to his 26 students, and will remain as such no matter how much people try to push it out. I also personally beleive that knowledge will come to those who are pure hearted and full of faith, so let us all go in that path, and Maharishis decide. > With kind regards, > Zoran Radosavljevic > P.S. I see no fury at all, nor should there be any > > > Sri Ganesaya Namah > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer " Yes " or " No " to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the Freedom's answer. > > > > Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view / understanding /perspective or whatever you call it. > > > > Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all. > > > > I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views than Astrology. > > > > To all other members, > > > > I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya. > > > > The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri B.V. Raman puts it " Planets only impel not compel. " So, I take all the happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons, traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating himself as Varaha Avatara. > > > > The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source, to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself. > > > > So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system. > > > > Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS? > > > > " Let the knowledge come from everywhere " is the call by our Vedas. > > > > Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge? > > > > The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries. At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and think over on that at least for a day. He said " At the end of the day, the nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini " . In addition, he cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras, we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO. > > > > If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious, industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this. > > > > Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all. > > > > Regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Om Rishibhyo Namah > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > > > I do not know what you mean by " stand " . I and 25 others are studying the > > > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He > > > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through > > > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many > > > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik > > > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to > > > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say, > > > Sanjayji's perspective is the " stand " of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us > > > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his > > > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the > > > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us > > > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice. > > > > > > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has > > > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When > > > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are > > > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our > > > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you > > > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph > > > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's > > > perspective on this matter. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > > Shanmukha > > > 05 August 2009 13:03 > > > sohamsa > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya, > > > > > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.// > > > > > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as > > > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Om Srigurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > > > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the > > > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your > > > > questions are beyond the scope of administration. > > > > > > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of > > > Kalpalatha > > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > > > clear about this. > > > > > > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. > > > > > > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from > > > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning > > > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from > > > Books. > > > > > > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not > > > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in > > > this > > > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes > > > > Narasimha or anyone else. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > Shanmukha > > > > 03 August 2009 23:30 > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > > > > > OH, is it? > > > > > > > > Do you mean SJC promotes " Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two > > > different > > > > systems? " > > > > > > > > If your answer is " YES " , then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and > > > > seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > > > > > > > If you answer is " NO " , why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't > > > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > > > > > > > If your answer is " No Comment " or a similar one, then ??? > > > > > > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some > > > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why > > > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is > > > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much > > > knowledge > > > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > > > > > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > > > > > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in > > > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from > > > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are > > > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > > > > > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what > > > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will > > > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > > > > > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage > > > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > > > > > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary > > > exclusively > > > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage > > > Jaimini > > > > wrote the same science. > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> , " Sarbani > > > > Rath " <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > > > > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote > > > the > > > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be > > > interested > > > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, > > > Narasimha > > > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji > > > has > > > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani.com/> http://sarbani.com > > > > > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> > > > > > http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> ] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > teli Shanmukha > > > > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri > > > Narasimha > > > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient > > > > commentators > > > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not > > > a > > > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > > > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > > > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of > > > sthira > > > > > dasa as " A Sthira Dasa of Parasara " , when both Sages writes the same > > > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still > > > give > > > > a > > > > > try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote > > > > wonderful > > > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and > > > he > > > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he > > > > doesn't > > > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. > > > As > > > > a > > > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > > > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > > > > > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> > > > > > Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > teli_sha2002@ > > > > > Cc: " sohamsa " <sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > > > > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > > > > > > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > > > > > > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > > > > > > > > > You will get the results. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 "Dear ahimsavm and groupWithout a Guru nobody can learn Jyotish and faith in Guru is much more important than anything else to learn jyotish.I appreciate the faith you have in your guru and this is the need of the hour for all seekers of jyotishI have read blogs of PVRji,Visti Larsen,Sarajit poddar and many other students of SJC parampara and i hope all of them give their original views on their blog for benefit of seekers of astrology to learn when they are not able to come in person and join classes of Devaguru Brihaspati centre or individual centers started by some of them.Some of the articles written by them which quote ancient classics are good and they have made it wonderful with their scholarly writing.YEt there are many articles which dont have essential backing of scriptures but only name of parampara behind are not helpful to many as the principles in them never work in reality at all.Some have mixed jaimini system and parasara system while giving predictions advocating jaimini principles in BPHS is same as that of what original Jaimini sutras is totally dubious.if one does a wide reading ,one can understand that BPHS we have is not the original text written by sage parashara and its authenticity is in doubt.Its status being text book of astrology has been achieved with the help of publishers and publicity stunts.Nobody knows how many chapters the real BPHS contains and whether the original compiler was parashara or not.if that being the case,what abt the jaimini principles in BPHS which says argalas can be considered for houses also.If we read Jaimini sutras,it is made very clear that argalas apply only for planets and not for others.Regarding Jaimini being a secret parampara i fully agree.But as Shanmukha contends we have with us only four adhyayas available of which the last 2 are not very pure or original.Unless we try to learn from the commentaries we cannot move forward in learning the jaimini system a wholeOne should not claim scholarship of jaimini system by just learning 4 adhyayas taught by guru when there is lot of material to be studied on Jaimini.Quoting one example,Are you sure when rahu can be taken as atmakaraka.We see so many articles circulating in the form of teaching on charakarakas when enough research has not been done to find out assignment of charakarakas correctlyYou claim some secret teachings of jaimini in your parampara.Shri shanmukha as you know has given his manuscripts to the internet wanting people to learn and test jaimini more freely which has to be welcomed .But your views are like -i have learnt secrets in jaimini principles which works perfectly well and we the 26 students will not share as it is something divine.I am sure if that secret is true,one of your 26 colleagues would have written an research article by now with 10 examples of few famous personalities.I see most of the principles discussed in articles will work only on those charts and not on other ordinary people charts. P.S.It is always easy to explain the fructification of Rajayogas in famous personalities chart.Claiming secrecy and saying that true seekers of knowledge will defenitely understand Jaimini from their guru is an escapist statement to a big extent.It is like scoring a centum in theory exams when the answer paper is corrected by his own school teacher and failing in practical exams when supervised by external examiner because of lack of demonstrating ability.So claiming there are many secrets in first 4 adhyayas that were not brought to light by giants like Suryanarayana rao or B.V.Raman or Irangati Rangacharya is not accceptable.Though i am not part of your DBC Or JMUS or belong to Shri Rangacharya school ,it is very easily understood that there are not much secrets in first 4 adhyayas that arent explored by the above mentioned authors in their books.Most of the above authors are humble and they have expressed their views only in places where they cannot do justice and did not impose anything on readers or claim the shlokas having a mystical meaning wherever they are uncertain.That is why we need to research on older commnetaries to find out the "real secrets" in Jaimini system.Call of shanmukha for this is very genuine.Only barrier we have is language.some works are in telugu as all of us here may not know or understand telugu as the language is confined to a single state.Some are in Sanskrit and it is very hard to find sanskrit scholars who is well versed in vedanga .Astrology will work very superbly if applied on well known charts retrospectively.As parameters are many ,one can take the parameters which is helping him in the chart and can prove the happening of an event in the chart.The real test lies in predicting an event beforehand using jaimini system and dashas with the available knowledge in your parampara and then it will be definetely appreciated by all.I wish to see scholarly debates and articles on Jaimini (which works universally )from you rather than views on jaimini .There can be only one meaning for each of the sutras.Either one among Sanjay Ji or Suryanarayana Ji or Rangacharya Ji in intrepreting a particular sutra because Jaimini maharishi would have had only 1 meaning for it while writing a sutra.The duty and geniousness of the commentator/translator is to find the actual meaning.If you mean to say all can coexist in peace ,it brings to a full stop to progress in learning real astrology."pranams'Vishnu--- On Sat, 8/8/09, Shanmukha <teli_sha2002 wrote:Shanmukha <teli_sha2002 Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasasohamsa Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 10:36 AM Sri Ganesaya Namah Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer "Yes" or "No" to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the Freedom's answer. Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view / understanding /perspective or whatever you call it. Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all. I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views than Astrology. To all other members, I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya. The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri B.V. Raman puts it "Planets only impel not compel." So, I take all the happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons, traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating himself as Varaha Avatara. The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source, to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself. So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system. Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS? "Let the knowledge come from everywhere" is the call by our Vedas. Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge? The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries. At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and think over on that at least for a day. He said "At the end of the day, the nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini". In addition, he cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before. That's how he learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life. Unfortunately, now the new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras, we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO. If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious, industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this. Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all. Regards, Shanmukha sohamsa@ .com, "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani > wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Om Rishibhyo Namah > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > I do not know what you mean by "stand". I and 25 others are studying the > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say, > Sanjayji's perspective is the "stand" of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice. > > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's > perspective on this matter. > > Best Regards, > > Sarbani Rath > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/> > http://sagittariusp ublications. com > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// .org/> http:// .org > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of > Shanmukha > 05 August 2009 13:03 > sohamsa@ .com > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya, > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.// > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator? > > Regards, > Shanmukha > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> , "Sarbani > Rath" <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Om Srigurave Namah > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your > > questions are beyond the scope of administration. > > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of > Kalpalatha > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > clear about this. > > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words.. He indeed was very > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. > > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from > Books. > > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in > this > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes > > Narasimha or anyone else. > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/> > > http://sagittariusp ublications. com > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// .org/> http:// .org > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On > Behalf Of > > Shanmukha > > 03 August 2009 23:30 > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > OH, is it? > > > > Do you mean SJC promotes "Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two > different > > systems?" > > > > If your answer is "YES", then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and > > seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > > > If you answer is "NO", why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > > > If your answer is "No Comment" or a similar one, then ??? > > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much > knowledge > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary > exclusively > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage > Jaimini > > wrote the same science. > > > > Warm Regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > <sohamsa% 40. com> , "Sarbani > > Rath" <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote > the > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be > interested > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, > Narasimha > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji > has > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/> > > > http://sagittariusp ublications. com > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// ..org/> http:// .org > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > <sohamsa% 40. com> > > [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On > > Behalf Of > > > teli Shanmukha > > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > > sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa% 40. com> > <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri > Narasimha > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient > > commentators > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not > a > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of > sthira > > > dasa as "A Sthira Dasa of Parasara", when both Sages writes the same > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still > give > > a > > > try. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote > > wonderful > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and > he > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he > > doesn't > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. > As > > a > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara.. In my humble > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > > > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ > > > > Re :Sthir dasa > > > teli_sha2002@ > > > Cc: "sohamsa" <sohamsa@ .com > <sohamsa% 40. com> <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > > > > > You will get the results. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Dear Zoranaji - NamaskarThanks.Best explanation.Good eyeopener. Regards..Satish. Yours sincerely Satish 36, Indrapuri Colony, Narmada Road, Jabalpur - M.P.- 482008 - India +91-9981601638--- On Sun, 9/8/09, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:ahimsavm <ahimsans Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasasohamsa Date: Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 1:41 AM Om Gurave Namah, Dear Shanmukha, I have been following these threads and as a silent and too busy to regularly participate on the list, I must sincerelly say that I get tired of reading the same view stand again and again. I personally read your website, appriciate and welcome your point to prove and follow the teachings of your Guru, but also myself and I beleive Sarbani Rath and others do the same. I have read all the commentaries and books of your Guru Sri Rangacharya and appriciate and pay him respect much, but I am perfectly fine and thankful to my Guru Pt. Sanyay Rath, find his ways of teaching the sutra perfectly fine with me, and perfectly working in the charts and practical experience as far as I am concerned. So I see no reason why we cannot both coexist in peace and follow our own paths, without proving to each other who is right or wrong. As it is, I repeat again, I have been taught the sutras by Pt. Sanjay Rath, and find this teaching a great blessing and perfectly true for me, as I beleive Sarbani and others do, including you with the teachings of your Guru to you. So, why not the things reaming as they are and coexist in peace.I beleive that you will alwyas think and beleive in the words of your Guru as absolute truth, and so do we, and nothing will change that at least as far as I am concerned, and most likely the same holds true for my gurubhais. So, all schollarly debates are always welcomed however, they should flow in tolerance and peace, with respect for both sides.If we fail to agree, so what, the world will not end:) Regarding the official stand of SJC which you are instisting on, as students of Jaimini sutras, many things are taught as a part of secret teachings (which I beleive you also your self stated as "secret"), and Sarbani is right. That was taught only directly by Pt. Sanjay Rath to his 26 students, and will remain as such no matter how much people try to push it out. I also personally beleive that knowledge will come to those who are pure hearted and full of faith, so let us all go in that path, and Maharishis decide. With kind regards, Zoran Radosavljevic P.S. I see no fury at all, nor should there be any > Sri Ganesaya Namah > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > I would have been very much delighted and thankful to you if you would answer "Yes" or "No" to my simple questions rather than supplementing twice to the Freedom's answer. > > Anyway, I thank you very much for stating your stand/ opinion / view / understanding /perspective or whatever you call it. > > Now, it looks those 26 scholars only share the perspetive of Sri Sanjay and other may or may not. So, I can take this as the pespective of DBC and I'll withdraw the word SJC. No Problem at all. > > I end the correspondence on this topic since its becoming views and more views than Astrology. > > To all other members, > > I request you all not to get frightened or disheartened with the happenings in the sky. Maharshis are so kind and powerful and their teachings will reach the true knowledge seekers provided they are industrious. I request you all remember Ekalavya episode in the Epic Mahabharata. Even the statue can teach knowledge, if you believe and deserve. That much dedication is need of the hour. Of course, how the knowledge will be used by the disciple is another issue, if misused that will be severed by Lord Krishna as been done to Ekalavya. > > The God will plan the things and the planets will only impel his plan. As Sri B.V. Raman puts it "Planets only impel not compel." So, I take all the happenings in the sky on a positive note and move forward with our quest to understand this system. The impediments caused by the planets, persons, traditions etc. all are temporary and God interferes at the right time. The Lord Vishnu sees the Nectar available to the deserved. He will definitely cut those demons; even they had drunk the nectar. It doesn't mean we are helpless, our efforts will be rewarded and God is kind enough. It is rather fight back by the Jupiter being retrograde in Capricorn. Of course, the Rahu in Capricorn is devastating, yet if it's against Jupiter, the Truth Shall win always. We can all increase the Jupiterian power by becoming united and be truthful. God will take his form to rescue Vedas (The knowledge) from the Hiranyaksha by incarnating himself as Varaha Avatara. > > The Western Astrology says the retrograde Jupiter evokes the inner consciousness. It is the best time to evaluate how close you are to the source, to go back to your basics, how you are not being honest with yourself. > > So, I request all to become industrious and read the available reference commentaries and Vriddha Karikas to learn this wonderful Jaimini system. > > Yes, they are not available in print, I do agree. And that's how there is much corruption and interpolations have been crept in this science. How come a scholar in Andhra Pradesh could procure and secure the most of the commentaries on Jaimini? I do not know the exact number, but he has wealth of more than a dozen of commentaries (Is it more than two dozens?), some of them we never heard of. He did that single handedly by consulting most of the manuscripts libraries in India like Madras Oriental Library, Tanjore Library etc for decades. He did that monumental work when the communications and transport facilities not much available. A single person could do that, why not the coveted organizations that they can't show even a sloka other than BPHS? > > "Let the knowledge come from everywhere" is the call by our Vedas. > > Why do we limit ourselves with the four or five commentaries available in print where they are mainly based only on Neelakantha commentary? Why do you diet yourself when there is a feast available, of course dieting is advised for now sedentary lives, not the dieting the knowledge? > > The point here is not spending a day or two on each sutra. That is always welcome and that what precisely is been done by Jaimini Scholars for centuries.. At first place, My Guru advised me the same. He wanted me to read the sutra and think over on that at least for a day. He said "At the end of the day, the nectar will flow, and if you get it, you never leave Jaimini". In addition, he cautioned me to read all the available literature as well before.. That's how he learnt it and his sishyas as well. Though I can't claim I learnt it, yet I never left Jaimini since that day, it' been part of my life.. Unfortunately, now the new schools both in India and West came up without banking on manuscripts. When we can't understand Sanskrit Sutra literature and try over to interpret Sutras, we will go nowhere and for that precise purpose, we have commentaries which have been forgot by the modern savants of this system. It is reiterated here that to understand Sutra Vangmaya, one must be very conversant with all the six branches of Vedangas, else we must recourse to the commentaries at least. That way, all the ancient commentators were much fortunate than us, they were at least introduced to some of them. So, doubting their caliber is not acceptable IMHO.. > > If you want to learn Jaimini System, please read the available literature and then experiment. Don't get carried away with All-In-One books, which are of course essential for understanding, but to master this system, be cautious, industrious and gather all the available. If you desirous, there is no dearth of information, as I already said elsewhere in this note, if a single person could get them, why not we all combined. With the blessings of Guru, we can learn the system. My Guru blessed me by giving a Magnum Opus called Kalpalatha, which many of us never saw. The blessings of Guru will be as such. It was such a book, most scholars never fortunate to even peep in, if they did, failed to even understand it, forget the mastery. This is Kali Yuga and we have Gurus and Disciples who don't believe in each other. Jaimini gave a clear dictum about this. > > Let us all put the Jaimini system at its most deserving place. I humbly request you all bless me and forgive my fury, if at all. > > Regards, > Shanmukha > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Om Rishibhyo Namah > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > I do not know what you mean by "stand". I and 25 others are studying the > > Sutras under Sanjay Rath. He is not teaching it under the banner of SJC. He > > is teaching it as an individual, under his own individual banner through > > which he teaches courses, that is Devaguru Brihaspati Centre. There are many > > astrologers in SJC, and they all may or may not share Sanjayji's paramaparik > > teachings. SJC is a loose umbrella under which many astrologers gather, to > > discuss and debate. Its doors are not closed to anyone. Hence to say, > > Sanjayji's perspective is the "stand" of SJC, is incorrect. Those of us > > studying the Sutras under him formally in his course, definitely share his > > perspective. In fact, more, as we are being trained in his tradition; in the > > way his tradition viewed the knowledge including the Sutras. The 26 of us > > have voluntarily opted to learn this tradition of our own choice. > > > > As your jyotish guru writes, the sutras are indeed nectar and one who has > > tasted that nectar, shall forever bow at the feet of Maharshi Jaimini. When > > we receive the knowledge of Jaimini, we beleive the rishis themselves are > > actually present, for without their blessings, the Sutras are beyond our > > reach. I would like to reiterate Freedom's recommendation to you and ask you > > to read Sanjayji's Preface to his Upadesha Sutra book. The first paragraph > > itself should dispel whatever doubts you have and clarify Sanjayji's > > perspective on this matter. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/> > > http://sagittariusp ublications. com > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// .org/> http:// .org > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of > > Shanmukha > > 05 August 2009 13:03 > > sohamsa@ .com > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya, > > > > Dear Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > //So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him.// > > > > Thank you for stating your stand. Shall I take it as the stand of SJC as > > well, since you wrote as an astrologer not an adiministrator? > > > > Regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> , "Sarbani > > Rath" <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Om Srigurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha Teli, > > > > > > Om Shanti. I hope Freedom's mail has helped clarify. I supplement the > > > following points, as an astrologer and not as an administrator, as your > > > questions are beyond the scope of administration. > > > > > > ST: I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of > > Kalpalatha > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > > clear about this. > > > > > > So are we. There is no doubt on the Maharshi's words. He indeed was very > > > unique, as are his sutras. My pranam to him. > > > > > > ST: Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from > > > what was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning > > > will definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from > > Books. > > > > > > As Freedom said, each sutra almost took 2-3 days to study. Hope I do not > > > need to say more. Suffice it to know that what Sanjayji is teaching in > > this > > > 6-7 year long course has not been taught by him before. That includes > > > Narasimha or anyone else. > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/> > > > http://sagittariusp ublications. com > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// .org/> http:// .org > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > > [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On > > Behalf Of > > > Shanmukha > > > 03 August 2009 23:30 > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > Namaste Smt. Sarbani Rath, > > > > > > OH, is it? > > > > > > Do you mean SJC promotes "Sage Parasara and Sage Jaimini wrote two > > different > > > systems?" > > > > > > If your answer is "YES", then I am very happy to withdraw my sentence and > > > seek excuses from anyone concerned. > > > > > > If you answer is "NO", why not as the President of SJC Asia/India (Aren't > > > you?) declare your stand on this, once for all? > > > > > > If your answer is "No Comment" or a similar one, then ??? > > > > > > Do you mean Sage Jaimini wrote this system and somehow we find some > > > explanation in BPHS about these concepts after the recent compilation? > > > > > > Thank you very much for giving your own view about Sri Narasimha. But, Why > > > don't you to leave this to themselves. As a matter of fact, Sri Sanjay is > > > the Guru and Narasimha is his disciple and they only know how much > > knowledge > > > and discussion they had on Jaimini or other systems? Isn't it? > > > > > > I guess you are the official spokesperson to Sri Sanjay / SJC. > > > > > > I read Sri Sanjay's commentary on Jaimini Sutras and benefited in > > > understanding this system. That way I feel I learnt Jaimini system from > > > Sanjay as well apart from my Guru. As you know so many students are > > > Ekalavyas to B.V.Raman after they read his books. > > > > > > Is that those 26 scholars learnt something drastically different from what > > > was written in MJUS. Of course I understand, the standard of learning will > > > definitely be different if we learn in-person than learning from Books. > > > > > > I have ample references like Somanatha Mishra , the author of Kalpalatha > > > saying that this science was written by Sage Jaimini. IMHO, No commentator > > > of Jaimini ever have written that this science was initiated by Sage > > > Parasara and expanded or improvised or whatever by Sage Jaimini. They are > > > clear about this. So, I differ on the view that Sage Parasara and Sage > > > Jaimini wrote one and the same system. > > > > > > If you don't mind kindly show the reference / or any commentary > > exclusively > > > written on Jaimini Sutras that explains that Sage Parasara and Sage > > Jaimini > > > wrote the same science. > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > > <sohamsa% 40. com> , "Sarbani > > > Rath" <sarbani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Shanmukha, > > > > > > > > You wrote I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote > > the > > > > same science, which I differ. Just out of curiosity, I would be > > interested > > > > to know from where you got this piece of information. And also, > > Narasimha > > > > never learnt Jaimini from Sanjayji. His opinions are his own. Sanjayji > > has > > > > never taught Jaimini to anyone other than the 26 scholars. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Sarbani Rath > > > > > > > > Homepage: <http://sarbani. com/> http://sarbani. com > > > > > > > > Sagittarius Publications: <http://sagittariusp ublications. com/> > > > > http://sagittariusp ublications. com > > > > > > > > Sohamsa: <http://sohamsa. com/> http://sohamsa. com > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre: <http:// ..org/> http:// .org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > > <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > > <sohamsa% 40. com> ] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > teli Shanmukha > > > > 02 August 2009 19:40 > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com> > > <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > > Fw: Re: Re :Sthir dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fear you missed my point. My point was not to say whatever Sri > > Narasimha > > > > wrote wrong. Yet, the point is if he doesn't read what ancient > > > commentators > > > > had to say and comment on their caliber and efficacy, that itself is not > > a > > > > scholar's approach. I hope I never said his teachings were wrong. I only > > > > said time will prove his findings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way Sri Narasimha didn't wrote something which is drastically > > > > different from what is existing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know SJC promotes the view that Parasara and Jaimini wrote the same > > > > science, which I differ. Why Sri Narasimha names this variation of > > sthira > > > > dasa as "A Sthira Dasa of Parasara", when both Sages writes the same > > > > science? Is it not he contradicting himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request you to kindly clarify my points, before asking me to still > > give > > > a > > > > try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for your advice. Yet, I have a Guru, who wrote > > > wonderful > > > > commentary on Jaimini. If I want to learn I will learn from my Guru and > > he > > > > has 45 years of experience in Jaimini. He is my best resource and he > > > doesn't > > > > mix up Parasara's mathematical model with Jaimini to decide the winner. > > As > > > a > > > > matter of fact, Jaimini drastically differs from Parasara. In my humble > > > > opinion, we must have at least a decade of experience in pronouncing > > > > anything on a rasi dasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I seek your blessings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ > > > > > Re :Sthir dasa > > > > teli_sha2002@ > > > > Cc: "sohamsa" <sohamsa@ .com > > <sohamsa% 40. com> <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 2 August, 2009, 4:32 PM > > > > > > > > DEAR SHANMUKH JI, > > > > > > > > NO BODY IS LAYING. > > > > > > > > Sill kindly give a try what Mr. Narshinha Rao says. > > > > > > > > You will get the results. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > > Click here > > > > <http://in..rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > > Click here > > > > <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. > > > > Click here > > > > <http://in.rd. / tagline_cricket_ 2/*http:/ cricket.. com> .. > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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