Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Dear Vishnu ji, The method indicated by you are popular but give gross longitudes of Gulika and Mandi. The precise values can only be calculated in following manner: 1. Find out the duration of Saturn's period by dividing the duration of the day by 8(eight) during the day and the duration of night by eight during the night. 2 According to most of the authorities including BPHS advocate that initial point of this period be called as Gulika. Some prefer to call the ending point of this arc as Gulika. 3. Middle point of this arc is called Mandi 4 The sign lord where Mandi repeat Mandi falls is called Gulikesha. 5. The planet which falls in Saturn's portion ( which is termed as Gulika portion) becomes afflicted 6. Maximum poison is concentrated on the middle portion of Gulika portion. This is why Mandi point is more fearsome than Gulika point. 7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika and Mandi on the basis explained Above. Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ________________________________ As Th <astrolearnjyotish Monday, 24 August, 2009 2:14:19 PM Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? everyone of us know that mandi position is very important in the chart.Escpecially astrologers in Kerala give a lot of importance to mandi.Most importance use of mandi is in fact verification of birth time in natal charts. formula " mandi sphhuta* 81/27 should be janma nakshatra or its 9th or 18th.Otherwise birth time has to be corrected. " The method to find Mandi longitude is given in the famous Prasna Marga and other classical jyotish texts. I am reproducing the text from Prasna Marga From Sunday onwards during daytime the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 26, 22, 18, 14, 10, 6 and 2 ghatikas after sunrise ; provided the sunrise is at 6 a.m. If the length of the day is more or less than 30, these figures have to be appropriately changed. Thus for example if the length of the day is 32 ghatis on a Sunday, the sunrise being at 5-40 a.m. then Mandi's position will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 27.73 ghatis after sunrise. During night times, the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 10, 6, 2, 26, 22, 18 and 14 ghatis respectively from sunset from Sunday onwards. These figures hold good provided the duration of night is 30 ghatis. Appropriate alterations should be made if the nocturnal duration is more or less than 30 ghatis. If for instance on a Saturday, the duration of night is 34 ghatis then the position of Mandi corresponds to the rising degree at 15.86 ghatis after sunset Jhora and Mandi Jhora has prederences where we can chose Mandi to be rising at either beginning/middle and end of saturn position. The mandi longitude obtained by hand calculation differes by a large degree say(3 to 4 degrees) when we chose " Mandi rises at the end of saturn position " .But this is the closest option. If we choose other two options " beginning.middle " .the longitude obtained is far off from which obtained via manual calculation. To check this one can calculate rise of mandi at any day -even today and you will find there is difference regards vishnu See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Namaste, > 7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika > and Mandi on the basis explained Above. That is correct. I am reproducing below my reply to Vishnu from " jhora " . --- Namaste, The ghatika tables you gave are based on 12 hour days and 12 hour nights. But daytime and night time are not always 12 hrs each. They can can vary. JHora sticks to dividing the day time and night time into 8 *equal* parts as suggested by Parasara and does not use fixed ghatika numbers as you gave below. If your manual calculations differ, either you have an incompatible preference in JHora (beginning/middle or sunrise definition) or your manual calculations (or the tables you used for your manual calculations) are inaccurate. JHora sticks to Parasara's instructions and calculates accurately. The only thing Parasara left ambiguous is whether Mandi rises at the beginning or middle of Saturn's portion. JHora allows you select your preference regarding that. JHora also allows you to select Saturn's portion or 8th portion. Though Parasara said Mandi rises in Saturn's portion, some people use the 8th un-lorded portion for Mandi and JHora allows that option (though *I* do not recommend it). Another option you can play with is sunrise definition. That affects the daytime and night time lengths! Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 Re: Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? Cc: astrologyandremedies , vedic astrology , " P.V.R. Narasimha Rao " <pvr108, " sohamsa " <sohamsa >, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07, " Ramadas Rao " <ramadasrao Monday, August 24, 2009, 8:33 AM Dear Vishnu ji, The method indicated by you are popular but give gross longitudes of Gulika and Mandi. The precise values can only be calculated in following manner: 1. Find out the duration of Saturn's period by dividing the duration of the day by 8(eight) during the day and the duration of night by eight during the night. 2 According to most of the authorities including BPHS advocate that initial point of this period be called as Gulika. Some prefer to call the ending point of this arc as Gulika. 3. Middle point of this arc is called Mandi 4 The sign lord where Mandi repeat Mandi falls is called Gulikesha. 5. The planet which falls in Saturn's portion ( which is termed as Gulika portion) becomes afflicted 6. Maximum poison is concentrated on the middle portion of Gulika portion. This is why Mandi point is more fearsome than Gulika point. 7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika and Mandi on the basis explained Above. Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA As Th <astrolearnjyotish Sent: Monday, 24 August, 2009 2:14:19 PM Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? everyone of us know that mandi position is very important in the chart.Escpecially astrologers in Kerala give a lot of importance to mandi.Most importance use of mandi is in fact verification of birth time in natal charts. formula " mandi sphhuta* 81/27 should be janma nakshatra or its 9th or 18th.Otherwise birth time has to be corrected. " The method to find Mandi longitude is given in the famous Prasna Marga and other classical jyotish texts. I am reproducing the text from Prasna Marga From Sunday onwards during daytime the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 26, 22, 18, 14, 10, 6 and 2 ghatikas after sunrise ; provided the sunrise is at 6 a.m. If the length of the day is more or less than 30, these figures have to be appropriately changed. Thus for example if the length of the day is 32 ghatis on a Sunday, the sunrise being at 5-40 a.m. then Mandi's position will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 27.73 ghatis after sunrise. During night times, the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 10, 6, 2, 26, 22, 18 and 14 ghatis respectively from sunset from Sunday onwards. These figures hold good provided the duration of night is 30 ghatis. Appropriate alterations should be made if the nocturnal duration is more or less than 30 ghatis. If for instance on a Saturday, the duration of night is 34 ghatis then the position of Mandi corresponds to the rising degree at 15.86 ghatis after sunset Jhora and Mandi Jhora has prederences where we can chose Mandi to be rising at either beginning/middle and end of saturn position. The mandi longitude obtained by hand calculation differes by a large degree say(3 to 4 degrees) when we chose " Mandi rises at the end of saturn position " .But this is the closest option. If we choose other two options " beginning.middle " .the longitude obtained is far off from which obtained via manual calculation. To check this one can calculate rise of mandi at any day -even today and you will find there is difference regards vishnu recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Dear Vishnu ji,The method indicated by you are popular butgive gross longitudes of Gulika and Mandi.The precise values can only be calculated in following manner:1. Find out the duration of Saturn's period by dividing the duration of the day by 8(eight) during the day and the duration of night by eight during the night.2 According to most of the authorities including BPHS advocate that initial point of this period be called as Gulika. Some prefer to call the ending point of this arc as Gulika.3. Middle point of this arc is called Mandi4 The sign lord where Mandi repeat Mandi falls is called Gulikesha.5. The planet which falls in Saturn's portion ( which is termed as Gulika portion) becomes afflicted 6. Maximum poison is concentrated on the middle portion of Gulika portion. This is why Mandi point is more fearsome than Gulika point.7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika and Mandi on the basis explained Above. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAAs Th <astrolearnjyotish Sent: Monday, 24 August, 2009 2:14:19 PM Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? everyone of us know that mandi position is very important in the chart.Escpecially astrologers in Kerala give a lot of importance to mandi.Most importance use of mandi is in fact verification of birth time in natal charts. formula "mandi sphhuta* 81/27 should be janma nakshatra or its 9th or 18th.Otherwise birth time has to be corrected." The method to find Mandi longitude is given in the famous Prasna Marga and other classical jyotish texts. I am reproducing the text from Prasna Marga From Sunday onwards during daytime the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 26, 22, 18, 14, 10, 6 and 2 ghatikas after sunrise ; provided the sunrise is at 6 a.m. If the length of the day is more or less than 30, these figures have to be appropriately changed. Thus for example if the length of the day is 32 ghatis on a Sunday, the sunrise being at 5-40 a.m. then Mandi's position will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 27.73 ghatis after sunrise. During night times, the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 10, 6, 2, 26, 22, 18 and 14 ghatis respectively from sunset from Sunday onwards. These figures hold good provided the duration of night is 30 ghatis. Appropriate alterations should be made if the nocturnal duration is more or less than 30 ghatis. If for instance on a Saturday, the duration of night is 34 ghatis then the position of Mandi corresponds to the rising degree at 15.86 ghatis after sunset Jhora and Mandi Jhora has prederences where we can chose Mandi to be rising at either beginning/middle and end of saturn position. The mandi longitude obtained by hand calculation differes by a large degree say(3 to 4 degrees) when we chose "Mandi rises at the end of saturn position".But this is the closest option. If we choose other two options " beginning.middle" .the longitude obtained is far off from which obtained via manual calculation. To check this one can calculate rise of mandi at any day -even today and you will find there is difference regards vishnu recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009  Zodiac Software, Zodiac VII calculates Gulika's longitude accurately With warm regards G KumarProfessional blogger, astro scholar & ceohttp://www.e.net/ Free Marketing Tips athttp://www.marketingeducate.com - Gopal Goel Cc: astrologyandremedies ; vedic astrology ; P.V.R. Narasimha Rao ; sohamsa ; neelam gupta ; Ramadas Rao Monday, August 24, 2009 6:03 PM Re: Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? Dear Vishnu ji,The method indicated by you are popular butgive gross longitudes of Gulika and Mandi.The precise values can only be calculated in following manner:1. Find out the duration of Saturn's period by dividing the duration of the day by 8(eight) during the day and the duration of night by eight during the night.2 According to most of the authorities including BPHS advocate that initial point of this period be called as Gulika. Some prefer to call the ending point of this arc as Gulika.3. Middle point of this arc is called Mandi4 The sign lord where Mandi repeat Mandi falls is called Gulikesha.5. The planet which falls in Saturn's portion ( which is termed as Gulika portion) becomes afflicted 6. Maximum poison is concentrated on the middle portion of Gulika portion. This is why Mandi point is more fearsome than Gulika point.7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika and Mandi on the basis explained Above. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA As Th <astrolearnjyotish > Sent: Monday, 24 August, 2009 2:14:19 PM Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? everyone of us know that mandi position is very important in the chart.Escpecially astrologers in Kerala give a lot of importance to mandi.Most importance use of mandi is in fact verification of birth time in natal charts. formula "mandi sphhuta* 81/27 should be janma nakshatra or its 9th or 18th.Otherwise birth time has to be corrected." The method to find Mandi longitude is given in the famous Prasna Marga and other classical jyotish texts. I am reproducing the text from Prasna Marga From Sunday onwards during daytime the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 26, 22, 18, 14, 10, 6 and 2 ghatikas after sunrise ; provided the sunrise is at 6 a.m. If the length of the day is more or less than 30, these figures have to be appropriately changed. Thus for example if the length of the day is 32 ghatis on a Sunday, the sunrise being at 5-40 a.m. then Mandi's position will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 27.73 ghatis after sunrise. During night times, the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 10, 6, 2, 26, 22, 18 and 14 ghatis respectively from sunset from Sunday onwards. These figures hold good provided the duration of night is 30 ghatis. Appropriate alterations should be made if the nocturnal duration is more or less than 30 ghatis. If for instance on a Saturday, the duration of night is 34 ghatis then the position of Mandi corresponds to the rising degree at 15.86 ghatis after sunset Jhora and Mandi Jhora has prederences where we can chose Mandi to be rising at either beginning/middle and end of saturn position. The mandi longitude obtained by hand calculation differes by a large degree say(3 to 4 degrees) when we chose "Mandi rises at the end of saturn position".But this is the closest option. If we choose other two options " beginning.middle" .the longitude obtained is far off from which obtained via manual calculation. To check this one can calculate rise of mandi at any day -even today and you will find there is difference regards vishnu recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Namaste, > 7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika> and Mandi on the basis explained Above. That is correct. I am reproducing below my reply to Vishnu from "jhora" .---Namaste, The ghatika tables you gave are based on 12 hour days and 12 hour nights. But daytime and night time are not always 12 hrs each. They can can vary. JHora sticks to dividing the day time and night time into 8 *equal* parts as suggested by Parasara and does not use fixed ghatika numbers as you gave below. If your manual calculations differ, either you have an incompatible preference in JHora (beginning/middle or sunrise definition) or your manual calculations (or the tables you used for your manual calculations) are inaccurate. JHora sticks to Parasara's instructions and calculates accurately. The only thing Parasara left ambiguous is whether Mandi rises at the beginning or middle of Saturn's portion. JHora allows you select your preference regarding that. JHora also allows you to select Saturn's portion or 8th portion. Though Parasara said Mandi rises in Saturn's portion, some people use the 8th un-lorded portion for Mandi and JHora allows that option (though *I* do not recommend it). Another option you can play with is sunrise definition. That affects the daytime and night time lengths! Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937Re: Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? Cc: astrologyandremedies , vedic astrology , "P.V.R. Narasimha Rao" <pvr108, "sohamsa" <sohamsa >, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07, "Ramadas Rao" <ramadasraoMonday, August 24, 2009, 8:33 AMDear Vishnu ji,The method indicated by you are popular butgive gross longitudes of Gulika and Mandi.The precise values can only be calculated in following manner:1. Find out the duration of Saturn's period by dividing the duration of the day by 8(eight) during the day and the duration of night by eight during the night.2 According to most of the authorities including BPHS advocate that initial point of this period be called as Gulika. Some prefer to call the ending point of this arc as Gulika.3. Middle point of this arc is called Mandi4 The sign lord where Mandi repeat Mandi falls is called Gulikesha.5. The planet which falls in Saturn's portion ( which is termed as Gulika portion) becomes afflicted 6. Maximum poison is concentrated on the middle portion of Gulika portion. This is why Mandi point is more fearsome than Gulika point.7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika and Mandi on the basis explained Above. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAAs Th <astrolearnjyotish Sent: Monday, 24 August, 2009 2:14:19 PM Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? everyone of us know that mandi position is very important in the chart.Escpecially astrologers in Kerala give a lot of importance to mandi.Most importance use of mandi is in fact verification of birth time in natal charts. formula "mandi sphhuta* 81/27 should be janma nakshatra or its 9th or 18th.Otherwise birth time has to be corrected." The method to find Mandi longitude is given in the famous Prasna Marga and other classical jyotish texts. I am reproducing the text from Prasna Marga From Sunday onwards during daytime the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 26, 22, 18, 14, 10, 6 and 2 ghatikas after sunrise ; provided the sunrise is at 6 a.m. If the length of the day is more or less than 30, these figures have to be appropriately changed. Thus for example if the length of the day is 32 ghatis on a Sunday, the sunrise being at 5-40 a.m. then Mandi's position will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 27.73 ghatis after sunrise. During night times, the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 10, 6, 2, 26, 22, 18 and 14 ghatis respectively from sunset from Sunday onwards. These figures hold good provided the duration of night is 30 ghatis. Appropriate alterations should be made if the nocturnal duration is more or less than 30 ghatis. If for instance on a Saturday, the duration of night is 34 ghatis then the position of Mandi corresponds to the rising degree at 15.86 ghatis after sunset Jhora and Mandi Jhora has prederences where we can chose Mandi to be rising at either beginning/middle and end of saturn position. The mandi longitude obtained by hand calculation differes by a large degree say(3 to 4 degrees) when we chose "Mandi rises at the end of saturn position".But this is the closest option. If we choose other two options " beginning.middle" .the longitude obtained is far off from which obtained via manual calculation. To check this one can calculate rise of mandi at any day -even today and you will find there is difference regards vishnu recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 oá¹ gurave namaḥ Dear Narasiá¹ha Can you give me the quote where ParÄÅ›ara says that *MÄndi rises in Saturn’s portion* and NOT Gulika. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath WebPages: http://srath.com Jaimini Scholar: http://sohamsa.com SJC: http://.org Jyotish Digest, Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 24 August 2009 21:42 ; Gopal Goel Cc: astrologyandremedies ; vedic astrology ; sohamsa; neelam gupta; Ramadas Rao Re: Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? Namaste, > 7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika > and Mandi on the basis explained Above. That is correct. I am reproducing below my reply to Vishnu from " jhora " . --- Namaste, The ghatika tables you gave are based on 12 hour days and 12 hour nights. But daytime and night time are not always 12 hrs each. They can can vary. JHora sticks to dividing the day time and night time into 8 *equal* parts as suggested by Parasara and does not use fixed ghatika numbers as you gave below. If your manual calculations differ, either you have an incompatible preference in JHora (beginning/middle or sunrise definition) or your manual calculations (or the tables you used for your manual calculations) are inaccurate. JHora sticks to Parasara's instructions and calculates accurately. The only thing Parasara left ambiguous is whether Mandi rises at the beginning or middle of Saturn's portion. JHora allows you select your preference regarding that. JHora also allows you to select Saturn's portion or 8th portion. Though Parasara said Mandi rises in Saturn's portion, some people use the 8th un-lorded portion for Mandi and JHora allows that option (though *I* do not recommend it). Another option you can play with is sunrise definition. That affects the daytime and night time lengths! Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 Re: Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? Cc: astrologyandremedies , vedic astrology , " P.V.R. Narasimha Rao " <pvr108, " sohamsa " <sohamsa >, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07, " Ramadas Rao " <ramadasrao Monday, August 24, 2009, 8:33 AM Dear Vishnu ji, The method indicated by you are popular but give gross longitudes of Gulika and Mandi. The precise values can only be calculated in following manner: 1. Find out the duration of Saturn's period by dividing the duration of the day by 8(eight) during the day and the duration of night by eight during the night. 2 According to most of the authorities including BPHS advocate that initial point of this period be called as Gulika. Some prefer to call the ending point of this arc as Gulika. 3. Middle point of this arc is called Mandi 4 The sign lord where Mandi repeat Mandi falls is called Gulikesha. 5. The planet which falls in Saturn's portion ( which is termed as Gulika portion) becomes afflicted 6. Maximum poison is concentrated on the middle portion of Gulika portion. This is why Mandi point is more fearsome than Gulika point. 7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika and Mandi on the basis explained Above. Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA As Th <astrolearnjyotish Monday, 24 August, 2009 2:14:19 PM Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? everyone of us know that mandi position is very important in the chart.Escpecially astrologers in Kerala give a lot of importance to mandi.Most importance use of mandi is in fact verification of birth time in natal charts. formula " mandi sphhuta* 81/27 should be janma nakshatra or its 9th or 18th.Otherwise birth time has to be corrected. " The method to find Mandi longitude is given in the famous Prasna Marga and other classical jyotish texts. I am reproducing the text from Prasna Marga From Sunday onwards during daytime the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 26, 22, 18, 14, 10, 6 and 2 ghatikas after sunrise ; provided the sunrise is at 6 a.m. If the length of the day is more or less than 30, these figures have to be appropriately changed. Thus for example if the length of the day is 32 ghatis on a Sunday, the sunrise being at 5-40 a.m. then Mandi's position will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 27.73 ghatis after sunrise. During night times, the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 10, 6, 2, 26, 22, 18 and 14 ghatis respectively from sunset from Sunday onwards. These figures hold good provided the duration of night is 30 ghatis. Appropriate alterations should be made if the nocturnal duration is more or less than 30 ghatis. If for instance on a Saturday, the duration of night is 34 ghatis then the position of Mandi corresponds to the rising degree at 15.86 ghatis after sunset Jhora and Mandi Jhora has prederences where we can chose Mandi to be rising at either beginning/middle and end of saturn position. The mandi longitude obtained by hand calculation differes by a large degree say(3 to 4 degrees) when we chose " Mandi rises at the end of saturn position " .But this is the closest option. If we choose other two options " beginning.middle " .the longitude obtained is far off from which obtained via manual calculation. To check this one can calculate rise of mandi at any day -even today and you will find there is difference regards vishnu recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:Sanjay Rath <sanjayrathRE: Re: Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct?sohamsa Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 4:12 AM oá¹ gurave namaḥ Dear Narasiá¹ha Can you give me the quote where ParÄÅ›ara says that *MÄndi rises in Saturn’s portion* and NOT Gulika. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath WebPages: http://srath. com Jaimini Scholar: http://sohamsa. com SJC: http:// .org Jyotish Digest, Books: http://sagittariusp ublications. com sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .. com] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 24 August 2009 21:42 vedic_astrology_ classes@gro ups.com; Gopal Goel Cc: astrologyandremedie s ; vedic astrology; sohamsa; neelam gupta; Ramadas Rao Re: [vedic_astrology_ classes] Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? Namaste, > 7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika > and Mandi on the basis explained Above. That is correct. I am reproducing below my reply to Vishnu from "jhora" . ------------ --------- --------- ------ Namaste, The ghatika tables you gave are based on 12 hour days and 12 hour nights. But daytime and night time are not always 12 hrs each. They can can vary. JHora sticks to dividing the day time and night time into 8 *equal* parts as suggested by Parasara and does not use fixed ghatika numbers as you gave below. If your manual calculations differ, either you have an incompatible preference in JHora (beginning/middle or sunrise definition) or your manual calculations (or the tables you used for your manual calculations) are inaccurate. JHora sticks to Parasara's instructions and calculates accurately. The only thing Parasara left ambiguous is whether Mandi rises at the beginning or middle of Saturn's portion. JHora allows you select your preference regarding that. JHora also allows you to select Saturn's portion or 8th portion. Though Parasara said Mandi rises in Saturn's portion, some people use the 8th un-lorded portion for Mandi and JHora allows that option (though *I* do not recommend it). Another option you can play with is sunrise definition. That affects the daytime and night time lengths! Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --- On Mon, 8/24/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: [vedic_astrology_ classes] Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? vedic_astrology_ classes@gro ups.com Cc: astrologyandremedie s , vedic astrology, "P.V.R. Narasimha Rao" <pvr108 >, "sohamsa" <sohamsa@ .com>, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>, "Ramadas Rao" <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> Monday, August 24, 2009, 8:33 AM Dear Vishnu ji, The method indicated by you are popular but give gross longitudes of Gulika and Mandi. The precise values can only be calculated in following manner: 1. Find out the duration of Saturn's period by dividing the duration of the day by 8(eight) during the day and the duration of night by eight during the night. 2 According to most of the authorities including BPHS advocate that initial point of this period be called as Gulika. Some prefer to call the ending point of this arc as Gulika. 3. Middle point of this arc is called Mandi 4 The sign lord where Mandi repeat Mandi falls is called Gulikesha. 5. The planet which falls in Saturn's portion ( which is termed as Gulika portion) becomes afflicted 6. Maximum poison is concentrated on the middle portion of Gulika portion. This is why Mandi point is more fearsome than Gulika point. 7, I believe that JH_hora gives the longitudes of Gulika and Mandi on the basis explained Above. Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA As Th <astrolearnjyotish@ > vedic_astrology_ classes@gro ups.com Monday, 24 August, 2009 2:14:19 PM [vedic_astrology_ classes] Mandi calculation in Jhora-correct? everyone of us know that mandi position is very important in the chart.Escpecially astrologers in Kerala give a lot of importance to mandi.Most importance use of mandi is in fact verification of birth time in natal charts. formula "mandi sphhuta* 81/27 should be janma nakshatra or its 9th or 18th.Otherwise birth time has to be corrected." The method to find Mandi longitude is given in the famous Prasna Marga and other classical jyotish texts. I am reproducing the text from Prasna Marga From Sunday onwards during daytime the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 26, 22, 18, 14, 10, 6 and 2 ghatikas after sunrise ; provided the sunrise is at 6 a.m. If the length of the day is more or less than 30, these figures have to be appropriately changed. Thus for example if the length of the day is 32 ghatis on a Sunday, the sunrise being at 5-40 a.m.. then Mandi's position will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 27.73 ghatis after sunrise. During night times, the position of Mandi will correspond to the rising degree at the end of 10, 6, 2, 26, 22, 18 and 14 ghatis respectively from sunset from Sunday onwards. These figures hold good provided the duration of night is 30 ghatis. Appropriate alterations should be made if the nocturnal duration is more or less than 30 ghatis. If for instance on a Saturday, the duration of night is 34 ghatis then the position of Mandi corresponds to the rising degree at 15.86 ghatis after sunset Jhora and Mandi Jhora has prederences where we can chose Mandi to be rising at either beginning/middle and end of saturn position. The mandi longitude obtained by hand calculation differes by a large degree say(3 to 4 degrees) when we chose "Mandi rises at the end of saturn position".But this is the closest option. If we choose other two options " beginning.middle" .the longitude obtained is far off from which obtained via manual calculation. To check this one can calculate rise of mandi at any day -even today and you will find there is difference regards vishnu recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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