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Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Aspect of retrograde

 

 

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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear AMIT JI,

> Only five tara graha can becomes retrograde namely:

> Mars,Mercury,Jupiter,Venus and Saturn

> Mean Nodes always move in reverse direction and that

> is why they are called retrograde,As such no rules of retrograde

> planets are applicable on nodes.

> When a planet is moving in normal direction , but appears moving in

> backward direction when viewed from earth, it is called in retrograde

> motion.

> Such retrograde motion is only possible in Tara grahs as mentioned above.

>

> Now I come to your main quarry. In BPHS there is no dictum that retrograde

> planets

> should be considered as if placed in previous house while considering their

> aspect.

>

> In bhirgu jyotish , it is believed that when Jupiter is in transit repeat

> in transit , its aspect should also be considered as if it is placed in

> previous house. This would mean that it will aspect six houses compared to

> three

> when in direct motion.Some savants are applying this rule to Saturn also.

> No written principles of Bhirgu are available. This rule must be having

> some exceptions.No savant seems to know or talk about them.

> I BELIEVE THAT IF JUPITER IS RETROGRADE AND PASSED 20 DEGREES IN A SIGN IT

> MAY NOT OPERATE FROM PREVIOUS HOUSE.

> THIS RULE IS MAINLY APPLICABLE WHILE CONSIDERING TRANSIT AND BHIRGU

> PROGRESSION OF JUPITER

>

> NO SUCH DICTUM IS APPEARING IN BPHS.

> Regards,

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> ________________________________

> Amit Puri <amitpuri20 <amitpuri20%40gmail.com>>

> Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 <gkgoel1937%40.co.in>>

> Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:22:20 AM

> Aspect of retrograde

>

> namskar sir

>

> i need your guidance on one issue ... what prasara muni says about the

> dristi of the retrograde planets like if jupiter is retrograde placed in

> 10th bhava do we need to take its position from 9th house while counting its

> dristi... one of student of bhavan vidyalya lock horn with on this

> issue.......... i was stick with normal aspect even if planet is retro or

> not if we proceed with this method then we have to take rahu aspect in this

> way only..more over i was not able to find and reference from the BPHS ..

> you are requested to give me authintication of my stand for diristi of retro

> planets according Parsha muni only..

>

> regard

> Amit puri

>

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Dear AMIT JI,

Only five tara graha can becomes retrograde namely:

Mars,Mercury,Jupiter,Venus and Saturn

Mean Nodes always move in reverse direction and that

is why they are called retrograde,As such no rules of retrograde

planets are applicable on nodes.

When a planet is moving in normal direction , but appears moving in

backward direction when viewed from earth, it is called in retrograde motion.

Such retrograde motion is only possible in Tara grahs as mentioned above.

 

Now I come to your main quarry. In BPHS there is no dictum that retrograde

planets

should be considered as if placed in previous house while considering their

aspect.

 

In bhirgu jyotish , it is believed that when Jupiter is in transit repeat in

transit , its aspect should also be considered as if it is placed in previous

house. This would mean that it will aspect six houses compared to three

when in direct motion.Some savants are applying this rule to Saturn also.

No written principles of Bhirgu are available. This rule must be having some

exceptions.No savant seems to know or talk about them.

I BELIEVE THAT IF JUPITER IS RETROGRADE AND PASSED 20 DEGREES IN A SIGN IT MAY

NOT OPERATE FROM PREVIOUS HOUSE.

THIS RULE IS MAINLY APPLICABLE WHILE CONSIDERING TRANSIT AND BHIRGU

PROGRESSION OF JUPITER

 

NO SUCH DICTUM IS APPEARING IN BPHS.

Regards,

 

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Amit Puri <amitpuri20

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:22:20 AM

Aspect of retrograde

 

 

namskar sir

 

i need your guidance on one issue ... what prasara muni says about the dristi of

the retrograde planets like if jupiter is retrograde placed in 10th bhava do we

need to take its position from 9th house while counting its dristi... one of

student of bhavan vidyalya lock horn with on this issue.......... i was stick

with normal aspect even if planet is retro or not if we proceed with this method

then we have to take rahu aspect in this way only..more over i was not able to

find and reference from the BPHS .. you are requested to give me authintication

of my stand for diristi of retro planets according Parsha muni only..

 

regard

Amit puri

 

 

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Dear Shri Goel Ji,

 

I may kindly be permitted to give my views on your 'lines':

 

..... " In bhirgu jyotish , it is believed that when Jupiter is in transit -repeat

in transit -, its aspect should also be considered as if it is placed in

previous house. This would mean that it will aspect six houses compared to three

when in direct motion.Some savants are applying this rule to Saturn also " ....

 

In' Gochara' assessment none of the scripts clearly defines 'aspect' of moving

planets. The 'period' movement is restricted for each Planet, while it has, in

its 'path' - for a period - retrograded movement also.  As we all know, even in

the birth chart having these 'tara' grahas positioned in a 'house' in

retrograded status, the related merits and demerits for its effect is again

'dilute' and we have no specific answer.

However, the defined 'drushties are to be considered in deducting effects, while

studying the birth chart.  This principle is not seen extended in details made

available by 'authors' for moving Planets in 'Gochara', who explained many

'facets' on positioned planets in Birth chart.

 

As such, When I write on 'Gochara' results of the Planets in movement, I am NOT

including the 'drushti' factor.  Please take liberty in correcting my

contention. 

Regards,Pathi,  

 

________________________________

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

Amit Puri <amitpuri20

Cc: astrologyandremedies ;

revati_energetics_true_vedic_astrology ;

vedic astrology ; sohamsa <sohamsa >

Monday, August 31, 2009 12:58:57 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Aspect of retrograde

 

 

Dear AMIT JI,

Only five tara graha can becomes retrograde namely:

Mars,Mercury, Jupiter,Venus and Saturn

Mean Nodes always move in reverse direction and that

is why they are called retrograde,As such no rules of retrograde

planets are applicable on nodes.

When a planet is moving in normal direction , but appears moving in

backward direction when viewed from earth, it is called in retrograde motion.

Such retrograde motion is only possible in Tara grahs as mentioned above.

 

Now I come to your main quarry. In BPHS there is no dictum that retrograde

planets

should be considered as if placed in previous house while considering their

aspect.

 

In bhirgu jyotish , it is believed that when Jupiter is in transit repeat in

transit , its aspect should also be considered as if it is placed in previous

house. This would mean that it will aspect six houses compared to three

when in direct motion.Some savants are applying this rule to Saturn also.

No written principles of Bhirgu are available. This rule must be having some

exceptions.No savant seems to know or talk about them.

I BELIEVE THAT IF JUPITER IS RETROGRADE AND PASSED 20 DEGREES IN A SIGN IT MAY

NOT OPERATE FROM PREVIOUS HOUSE.

THIS RULE IS MAINLY APPLICABLE WHILE CONSIDERING TRANSIT AND BHIRGU PROGRESSION

OF JUPITER

 

NO SUCH DICTUM IS APPEARING IN BPHS.

Regards,

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Amit Puri <amitpuri20 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:22:20 AM

Aspect of retrograde

 

namskar sir

 

i need your guidance on one issue ... what prasara muni says about the dristi of

the retrograde planets like if jupiter is retrograde placed in 10th bhava do we

need to take its position from 9th house while counting its dristi... one of

student of bhavan vidyalya lock horn with on this issue....... ... i was stick

with normal aspect even if planet is retro or not if we proceed with this method

then we have to take rahu aspect in this way only..more over i was not able to

find and reference from the BPHS .. you are requested to give me authintication

of my stand for diristi of retro planets according Parsha muni only..

 

regard

Amit puri

 

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Dear AMIT JI,Only five tara graha can becomes retrograde namely:Mars,Mercury,Jupiter,Venus and SaturnMean Nodes always move in reverse direction and thatis why they are called retrograde,As such no rules of retrograde planets are applicable on nodes.When a planet is moving in normal direction , but appears moving inbackward direction when viewed from earth, it is called in retrograde motion.Such retrograde motion is only possible in Tara grahs as mentioned above.Now I come to your main quarry. In BPHS there is no dictum that retrograde planets should be considered as if placed in previous house while considering their aspect.In bhirgu jyotish , it is believed that when Jupiter is in transit repeat in transit , its aspect should also be

considered as if it is placed in previous house. This would mean that it will aspect six houses compared to threewhen in direct motion.Some savants are applying this rule to Saturn also.No written principles of Bhirgu are available. This rule must be having some exceptions.No savant seems to know or talk about them.I BELIEVE THAT IF JUPITER IS RETROGRADE AND PASSED 20 DEGREES IN A SIGN IT MAY NOT OPERATE FROM PREVIOUS HOUSE.THIS RULE IS MAINLY APPLICABLE WHILE CONSIDERING TRANSIT AND BHIRGU PROGRESSION OF JUPITERNO SUCH DICTUM IS APPEARING IN BPHS.Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAAmit Puri <amitpuri20Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:22:20 AMAspect of retrogradenamskar sir i need your guidance on one issue ... what prasara muni says about the dristi of the retrograde planets like if jupiter is retrograde placed in 10th bhava do we need to take its position from 9th house while counting its dristi... one of student of bhavan vidyalya lock horn with on this issue.......... i was stick with normal aspect even if planet is retro or not if we proceed with this method then we have to take rahu aspect in this way only..more over i was not able to find and reference from the BPHS .. you are requested to give me

authintication of my stand for diristi of retro planets according Parsha muni only.. regardAmit puri

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" I BELIEVE THAT IF JUPITER IS RETROGRADE AND PASSED 20 DEGREES IN A SIGN IT MAY

NOT OPERATE FROM PREVIOUS HOUSE.

THIS RULE IS MAINLY APPLICABLE WHILE CONSIDERING TRANSIT AND BHIRGU

PROGRESSION OF JUPITER "

 

Interesting! Why 20 degrees? And does this rule apply to other transiting

planets? What about natal planets? So, this seems to imply that instead of

using the whole sign as traditional Jyotish suggests, orbs must be used when

dealing with transits?

 

Bhirgu teachings appear to provide some concrete tips and from where can we find

more information on Bhirgu?

 

Thanks,

Leo

 

 

sohamsa , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear AMIT JI,

> Only five tara graha can becomes retrograde namely:

> Mars,Mercury,Jupiter,Venus and Saturn

> Mean Nodes always move in reverse direction and that

> is why they are called retrograde,As such no rules of retrograde

> planets are applicable on nodes.

> When a planet is moving in normal direction , but appears moving in

> backward direction when viewed from earth, it is called in retrograde motion.

> Such retrograde motion is only possible in Tara grahs as mentioned above.

>

> Now I come to your main quarry. In BPHS there is no dictum that retrograde

planets

> should be considered as if placed in previous house while considering their

aspect.

>

> In bhirgu jyotish , it is believed that when Jupiter is in transit repeat in

transit , its aspect should also be considered as if it is placed in previous

house. This would mean that it will aspect six houses compared to three

> when in direct motion.Some savants are applying this rule to Saturn also.

> No written principles of Bhirgu are available. This rule must be having some

exceptions.No savant seems to know or talk about them.

> I BELIEVE THAT IF JUPITER IS RETROGRADE AND PASSED 20 DEGREES IN A SIGN IT MAY

NOT OPERATE FROM PREVIOUS HOUSE.

> THIS RULE IS MAINLY APPLICABLE WHILE CONSIDERING TRANSIT AND BHIRGU

PROGRESSION OF JUPITER

>

> NO SUCH DICTUM IS APPEARING IN BPHS.

> Regards,

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Amit Puri <amitpuri20

> Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

> Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:22:20 AM

> Aspect of retrograde

>

>

> namskar sir

>

> i need your guidance on one issue ... what prasara muni says about the dristi

of the retrograde planets like if jupiter is retrograde placed in 10th bhava do

we need to take its position from 9th house while counting its dristi... one of

student of bhavan vidyalya lock horn with on this issue.......... i was stick

with normal aspect even if planet is retro or not if we proceed with this method

then we have to take rahu aspect in this way only..more over i was not able to

find and reference from the BPHS .. you are requested to give me authintication

of my stand for diristi of retro planets according Parsha muni only..

>

> regard

> Amit puri

>

>

> Looking for local information? Find it on Local

http://in.local./

>

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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear AMIT JI,

> Only five tara graha can becomes retrograde namely:

> Mars,Mercury,Jupiter,Venus and Saturn

> Mean Nodes always move in reverse direction and that

> is why they are called retrograde,As such no rules of retrograde

> planets are applicable on nodes.

> When a planet is moving in normal direction , but appears moving in

> backward direction when viewed from earth, it is called in retrograde

> motion.

> Such retrograde motion is only possible in Tara grahs as mentioned above.

>

> Now I come to your main quarry. In BPHS there is no dictum that retrograde

> planets

> should be considered as if placed in previous house while considering their

> aspect.

>

> In bhirgu jyotish , it is believed that when Jupiter is in transit repeat

> in transit , its aspect should also be considered as if it is placed in

> previous house. This would mean that it will aspect six houses compared to

> three

> when in direct motion.Some savants are applying this rule to Saturn also.

> No written principles of Bhirgu are available. This rule must be having

> some exceptions.No savant seems to know or talk about them.

> I BELIEVE THAT IF JUPITER IS RETROGRADE AND PASSED 20 DEGREES IN A SIGN IT

> MAY NOT OPERATE FROM PREVIOUS HOUSE.

> THIS RULE IS MAINLY APPLICABLE WHILE CONSIDERING TRANSIT AND BHIRGU

> PROGRESSION OF JUPITER

>

> NO SUCH DICTUM IS APPEARING IN BPHS.

> Regards,

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> ________________________________

> Amit Puri <amitpuri20 <amitpuri20%40gmail.com>>

> Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 <gkgoel1937%40.co.in>>

> Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:22:20 AM

> Aspect of retrograde

>

> namskar sir

>

> i need your guidance on one issue ... what prasara muni says about the

> dristi of the retrograde planets like if jupiter is retrograde placed in

> 10th bhava do we need to take its position from 9th house while counting its

> dristi... one of student of bhavan vidyalya lock horn with on this

> issue.......... i was stick with normal aspect even if planet is retro or

> not if we proceed with this method then we have to take rahu aspect in this

> way only..more over i was not able to find and reference from the BPHS ..

> you are requested to give me authintication of my stand for diristi of retro

> planets according Parsha muni only..

>

> regard

> Amit puri

>

> Looking for local information? Find it on Local

> http://in.local./

>

>