Leucoderma Problem- for Maja

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Some pointers to handling this case.Leucoderma - Cancer (Rahu) of Skin (Mercury) which involves body (Gross) - Lagna and its manifested form (Surya Lagna).Chart: July 14, 1972 at 20.20 in Navsari, India In the natives chart, Rahu is in Lagna, causing affliction. Mercury (Skin), lord of the 6th (disease), is viewing the native with negative energy and is in Aslesha Naksahtra. Surya Lagna is in the 6th house from Lagna which indicates that disease carries more weightage in its manifested form.While prescribing remedial measures astrologically, we have three optionsa) Remedialb) Curtailingc) DestroyingTo understand it better, let us consider our above case - Not to allow the cancer to start is acheived by Remedial Measures. 2nd option is to CURTAIL the growth of cancer and 3rd option is to DESTROY the existing cancerous cells.Since the 1st option is not possible now, let us look at the remaining two options.Curtailing - Rahu in Vargottama is not favorable, and Mercury 9th ownership is facilitating the growth. Rahu can be controlled by reciting Rahu Kavacham, while Mercury can be tackled with the help of Jupiter. Jupiter is a enemy of Mercury and if we empower Jupiter with enough ammo, and allow them to fight, he will defeat Mercury and take away all his weapons/energy.Destroying - Surya Lagna is very strong. Further Rahu is Vargottama, in Uttarashada, gives it enough strength to fight back if needed. Mercury as the 6th lord is equally dangerous. Destroying the cells would become very difficult. The native can try the this - Take a vacation to any preferred beach. On a Wednesday evening, go knee deep (not more than that as Jupiter is in the 12th), face South direction, and recite "Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya" for 108 times and then sprinkle the sea water all over the body. Repeating this every year is suggested.Hope this framework would be helpful to astrologers and students while analyzing charts.Best wishes, Raman Suprajaramahttp://www.astrologicalmagazine.comsohamsa , nalini swamy <nalini2818 wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Maja,> Namaskar.> > Autoimmune disorders occur when the body 'recognises' its own cells as antigenic and mounts an immune response, basically starting with an inflammatory response - swelling, thrombocyte activity and the cells being destroyed and new tissue/cells building leading to formation of repeated layers of fibrous tissue/fibrosis. This tissue most often than not cannot perform all the functions of the original tissue, for example when the inflammatory response occurs in the lungs, the resultant tissue causes scarring on the lungs and the lungs/that part of the lungs loses the function of gas exchange - its porus nature and less of the surface of the lungs are capable of their normal function. Immune responses are directly connected to the lymphatic system, lymph/ lymph glands/ lymphocytes. Now, lymph travels all over the body and is collected and drained at the lymph nodes and swelling of the lymph nodes is also a signal of infection and is due to the> initiation of the immune response. Some typical lymph nodes ... armpits, groin.. These also have a link to the endocrine functions.. for example extreme stress, leading to excessive secretion of stress hormone, cortisol also is thought to be a precursor to immune system breakdown/ autoimmune disorders.> Some biology background for a thorough astrological discussion that has been going on (:> > Regards> Nalini> > >  > > > > ________________________________> Maja Å trbac majastrbacastro sohamsa > Thursday, 3 September, 2009 9:33:46 PM> Fw: Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >  > *Why I insist on nodes in context of destruction?> Ketu destroys Rajas, Rahu destroys Satva. > > --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> > > >Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >sohamsa@ .com> >Thursday, September 3, 2009, 2:21 AM> >> >> >Om Gurave Namah> >> >Dear Michal, namaste> >> >"Essentially it is the body attacking its own cells. "> >> >Precisely. Self destruction. > >> >There is obvious way of self destruction:> >http://www.mypointl ess.com/2009/ 02/nurse- sets-off- metal-detectors. html> >> >Or similar, but wrapped in shiny paper:> >http://www.hitsvill e.org/wp/ wp-content/ uploads/2009/ 06/michael- jackson-neverlan d.jpg> >> >The only difference between autoimmune respond and obvious self injuring lies in fact that it is not superficial or done by scalpel, needle etc. It is a little bit subtle way of self destruction and it is not conscious choice.> >> >"Self" and "destruction" , now this is not my personal wisdom, I will just retell that we need paka lagna to be involved in a way for that part "self", for applied intelligence used in a wrong way. I was mentioning Rahu a while ago and I still think we need nodes and preferably Mangal for destruction. Badhaka involved by all means. Check all those charts, not just this with celiac syndrome.> >> >And how to relate this with specific body part where respond manifests? That is the reason why I included in this discussion.> >> >> >Warm Regards,> >Maja Strbac> >> >Hari Om Tat Sat> >> >--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Michal Dziwulski nearmichal > wrote:> >> >> >>Michal Dziwulski nearmichal >> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:50 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Hare Rama Krsna ||> >>> >>Dear Maja,> >>> >>So what is the 'root cause' of autoimmune disorder? Essentially it is the body attacking its own cells. 6th house is something else attacking the body, 8th house is nija dosha. Nija - innate, of one's own party or country, an enemy in one's own country (MW). So how about the 8th house/lord?> >>> >>Regards,> >>Michal> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Wednesday, 2 September, 2009 11:11:29 PM> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>> >> > >>Om Gurave Namah> >>> >>Dear Michal and Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>> >>It is a little bit of a problem to understand each other and continue dialogue if we are not looking at same subject from same perspective.> >>> >>Michal: "So you are right, scientifically it is a problem in the person's digestion tract, but experientially it is a problem with gluten. "> >>> >>No, scientifically it is a problem with immune system which secondary leads to problems with digestion. I am trying to agree on this order of symptoms and find them in charts. Do you still consider this order to be wrong? I see no chicken/egg dilemma in this order. > >>> >>I completely agree on including Graha signifying particular allergen, but I would not start or end chart observation with this. That is what I am trying to say, and I think Krishnamurthy is trying same among rest of his points. Getting rid of allergen is not curing anything, problem is still there in body. > >>> >>People suffering celiac syndrome are not perfectly fine if they exclude 80% of grains (only corn, rice and buckwheat don't contain gluten). They are excluding valuable source for large number of vitamins from B group (especially if they are ovo-lacto, lacto or ovo vegetarians) . Synthetic supplements can't replace it perfectly speaking in long terms. > >>> >>What I am trying to say is: excluding gluten is just a small patch over a big, open wound. It is like someone is having Kala Sarpa Yoga on 5/11th axis in chart (and imagine that positions related to KSY are really pointing on problems related to progeny), and you give them advice to chant Santana Gopala mantra (and maybe add prasidha Savitur Gayatri for just in case) to accomplish progeny. It is a good advice, but... it is skipping the root cause.> >>> >>Let me rephrase my initial question: What is primary for observation about autoimmune diseases: positions in chart pointing on autoimmune disorders (probably signified by Rahu) or secondary symptoms (lungs, digestion, skin)? When we determine positions pointing on autoimmune disorders, how do we relate them with particular body part where they manifest? > >>> >>I would also like to read reply on Tarun's question.> >>> >>Warm Regards,> >>Maja Strbac> >>> >>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>> >>--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >>> >>> >>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:12 PM> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>Dear Michal,> >>>> >>>> >>>You said:> >>>> >>>> >>>Autoimmune disorders are extremely complicated - even doctors who train for years can't do anything about them - so what could I possibly do? I see the person is having a problem with the Sun, and there are remedies for this. Gluten intolerance is just a physical manifestation of a karmic problem.> >>>> >>>> >>>It is clear that I am focusing on the root cause of the problem and you are focusing on the remedies for the problem. It appears to me that we are at different ends of the domain that we need to address. But, a remedy suggested without understanding the cause fully could be incomplete and ineffective. It is like treating just the symptoms and not addressing the root cause.> >>>> >>>> >>>Regards,> >>>Krishna> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Michal Dziwulski nearmichal > wrote:> >>>> >>> > >>>>Hare Rama Krsna ||> >>>>> >>>>Dear Krishna,> >>>>> >>>>It is the earth that revolves around the Sun. Nevertheless we take the geocentric viewpoint. So you are right, scientifically it is a problem in the person's digestion tract, but experientially it is a problem with gluten. So which do we use? It is like chicken and egg situation - which came first?> >>>>> >>>>For a person with celiac disorder, they are fine as long as they don't eat wheat (Sun). When they see a loaf of bread they say no thanks. This is how it is manifesting in their experiential world. That the doctor tells them about this protein and this immune system is something secondary as far as they're concerned because the primary thing the doctor tells them is don't eat anything which contains gluten. So when we look at the chart we need to be clear what we are looking at ie. which level are we going to. Autoimmune disorders are extremely complicated - even doctors who train for years can't do anything about them - so what could I possibly do? I see the person is having a problem with the Sun, and there are remedies for this. Gluten intolerance is just a physical manifestation of a karmic problem.> >>>>> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Michal> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________> Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 4:56:56 PM > >>>>> >>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> > >>>>Dear Michal,> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>It depends on how one is looking at the problem. From my perspective, the native will not be able to digest Gluten etc., after the damage is caused. And, Gluten by itself does not cause the damage to start with. Hence, what you are describing as the cause is an after effect of having the damage already in place. What causes the damage is the autoimmune reaction in the first place.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Dear Maja,> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Yes, I am the same SY SY... person :-)> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Virgo has two malefic aspects and not just one. Both Mars and Ketu aspect Virgo. And, it is a good observation from Amit that Mercury is conjunct (and combust by) 8th lord Sun. In addition, Mercury occupies 8th house from Virgo. It is evident that Virgo, 6H and Mercury are all  afflicted. > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Krishna> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Michal Dziwulski nearmichal > wrote:> >>>>> >>>> > >>>>>Hare Rama Krsna ||> >>>>>> >>>>>Dear Maja and Krishna,> >>>>>> >>>>>Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheat> >>>>>> >>>>>So is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL).> >>>>>> >>>>>In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord it can give chronic digestive disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.> >>>>>> >>>>>Regards,> >>>>>Michal> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________> Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PM > >>>>>> >>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>Dear Maja,> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder.> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well.> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Regards,> >>>>>Krishna> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>>>>> >>>>>>(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also > >>>>>>> >>>>>>For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:> >>>>>>DOB: 25th of April 1975> >>>>>>TOB: 01:44 AM> >>>>>>POB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 > >>>>>>Time zone is 01h East of GMT> >>>>>>> >>>>>>You should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. > >>>>>>> >>>>>>Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Warm Regards, > >>>>>>> >>>>>>Maja Strbac> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Dear Maja,> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Another good name :-)> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Dear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>(two wonderful names indeed > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. > >>>>>>>>Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.> >>>>>>>>Asthma - lungs> >>>>>>>>Vitiligo-skin> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart?> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join me to go through them together? > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Warm Regards to both,> >>>>>>>>Maja Strbac> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hari Om Tat Sat > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Dear Lakshmi,> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Yours is a good name too :-)> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>>>>Nice name!> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet.> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>There is the seed , or origin,> >>>>>>>>>> and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma,> >>>>>>>>>>it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms".> >>>>>>>>>>Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro,> >>>>>>>>>>to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are,> >>>>>>>>>> where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc.> >>>>>>>>>>In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof)> >>>>>>>>>>But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.> >>>>>>>>>> Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body.> >>>>>>>>>>Hope you understand my point.> >>>>>>>>>>One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks.> >>>>>>>>>>One symptom of chicken pox is a rash.> >>>>>>>>>>One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer.> >>>>>>>>>>So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease?> >>>>>>>>>>Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms".> >>>>>>>>>>Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka .> >>>>>>>>>>Hopefully you understand what i was getting at.> >>>>>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________> Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >>>>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Dear Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey.> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Did you want to say:> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>- It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or> >>>>>>>>>>- It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Please clarify.> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>>>>>Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved.> >>>>>>>>>>>When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack.> >>>>>>>>>>>Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues.> >>>>>>>>>>>Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Bottom line Many of these things overlap> >>>>>>>>>>>( i mean karaka wise)> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it?> >>>>>>>>>>>So I see it all as inter related.> >>>>>>>>>>>See primary issue, and then secondary issue.> >>>>>>>>>>>In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause.> >>>>>>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________> Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >>>>>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM> >>>>>>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Sanjay, > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Interestingly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts  leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out  leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Comments welcome.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>|| Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>>>>Dear Krishna,> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue).> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's house.> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions.> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Warm Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>2009/8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Dear Sanjayji, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this?> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|| Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dear Jani,> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warm Regards> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>2009/8/27 Jani Minesh mhjani >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Birth details of one my relative are follows.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOB 14/7/1972> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time: 20:20 Hrs> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M H Jani> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Natal Chart> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     July 14, 1972> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Time:      20:20:00> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Time Zone:   5:30:00 (East of GMT)> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Place:     72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Navsari, India> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Altitude:    0.00 meters> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lunar Yr-Mo:  Paridhavi - Ashadha> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tithi:     Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nakshatra:   Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yoga:      Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Karana:     Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lord:   Venus (5 min sign: Cn)> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kaala Lord:   Mars (Mahakala: Mars)> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sunrise:    6:05:28> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sunset:     19:22:37> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Janma Ghatis:  35.6057> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ayanamsa:    23-28-21.04> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sidereal Time: 15:11:56> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Body         Longitude     Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lagna        14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav    2   Cp  Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sun - AK       28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna    3   Ge  Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Moon - GK      16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha    1   Le  Le> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mars - PK      16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push    4   Cn  Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mercury - MK     24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre    3   Cn  Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jupiter ® - DK   7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool    3   Sg  Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Venus - BK      25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig    1   Ta  Le> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Saturn - PiK     21 Ta 58' 15.19" Rohi    4   Ta  Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rahu - AmK      2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha    2   Cp  Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ketu         2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna    4   Cn  Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maandi        19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar    2   Ar  Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gulika        7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi    3   Ar  Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bhava Lagna      1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan    3   Aq  Li> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lagna      5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha    3   Vi  Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghati Lagna     16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr    3   Ge  Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vighati Lagna    10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi    1   Ta  Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Varnada Lagna    14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr    3   Ge  Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sree Lagna      10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi    4   Ar  Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pranapada Lagna   11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast    1   Vi  Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Indu Lagna      16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast    2   Vi  Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bhrigu Bindu     24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar    4   Ar  Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dhooma        12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu    3   Sc  Li> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vyatipata      17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha    2   Le  Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Parivesha      17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata    4   Aq  Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Indra Chapa     12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi    1   Ta  Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Upaketu       28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig    2   Ta  Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kaala         1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig    3   Ge  Li> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu        10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav    1   Cp  Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Artha Prahara     3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan    3   Aq  Li> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yama Ghantaka    28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha    3   Aq  Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prana Sphuta     21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva    2   Pi  Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Deha Sphuta     19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar    2   Ar  Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu Sphuta    20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha    3   Le  Li> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sookshma TriSphuta  2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha    2   Vi  Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>TriSphuta       8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr    1   Ge  Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>ChatusSphuta     7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha    4   Vi  Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>PanchaSphuta     10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr    2   Ge  Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V2          14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast    2   Vi  Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V3          14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat    3   Li  Le> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V4          14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav    2   Cp  Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V5          14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata    3   Aq  Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V6          14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi    2   Ta  Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V7          14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr    3   Ge  Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V8          14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast    2   Vi  Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V9          14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat    3   Li  Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V10         14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav    2   Cp  Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V11         14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata    3   Aq  Le> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>V12         14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi    2   Ta  Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kunda         7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit    4   Ta  Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |Md  Gk   |Ve  Sa   |Su  GL   |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |Ma  Me   |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |Ke     |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|----------- |     Rasi      |----------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|As  Ra   |            |Mo     |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|JuR     |      |      |HL  AL   |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |As     |Su  JuR  |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |Gk     |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|Me  HL   |            |Sa  Ke   |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|GL     |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |     Navamsa     |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|----------- |            |----------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|Ra     |      D-9      |Mo  Ve   |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |AL     |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |            |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|----------- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |Ma     |      |Md     |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>|      |      |      |      |> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vimsottari Dasa ():> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ven  Ven 1967-10-10  Sun 1971-02-05  Moon 1972-02-05  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Mars 1973-10-09  Rah 1974-12-08  Jup 1977-12-08  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sat 1980-08-08  Merc 1983-10-10  Ket 1986-08-09  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sun  Sun 1987-10-10  Moon 1988-01-25  Mars 1988-07-27  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Rah 1988-12-02  Jup 1989-10-27  Sat 1990-08-15  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Merc 1991-07-28  Ket 1992-05-31  Ven 1992-10-09  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Moon  Moon 1993-10-09  Mars 1994-08-09  Rah 1995-03-07  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Jup 1996-09-09  Sat 1998-01-07  Merc 1999-08-09  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Ket 2001-01-06  Ven 2001-08-09  Sun 2003-04-06  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mars  Mars 2003-10-10  Rah 2004-03-03  Jup 2005-03-22  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sat 2006-02-26  Merc 2007-04-06  Ket 2008-04-03  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Ven 2008-09-02  Sun 2009-11-03  Moon 2010-03-07  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rah  Rah 2010-10-10  Jup 2013-06-19  Sat 2015-11-15  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Merc 2018-09-21  Ket 2021-04-06  Ven 2022-04-25  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sun 2025-04-24  Moon 2026-03-19  Mars 2027-09-22  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jup  Jup 2028-10-09  Sat 2030-11-27  Merc 2033-06-07  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ket 2035-09-16  Ven 2036-08-21  Sun 2039-04-19  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Moon 2040-02-06  Mars 2041-06-07  Rah 2042-05-13  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sat  Sat 2044-10-09  Merc 2047-10-13  Ket 2050-06-20  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ven 2051-07-31  Sun 2054-10-01  Moon 2055-09-13  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Mars 2057-04-09  Rah 2058-05-20  Jup 2061-03-25  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Merc  Merc 2063-10-10  Ket 2066-03-04  Ven 2067-03-02  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sun 2070-01-01  Moon 2070-11-09  Mars 2072-04-06  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Rah 2073-04-03  Jup 2075-10-25  Sat 2078-01-28  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ket  Ket 2080-10-10  Ven 2081-03-04  Sun 2082-05-04  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Moon 2082-09-13  Mars 2083-04-10  Rah 2083-09-10  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Jup 2084-09-28  Sat 2085-09-03  Merc 2086-10-13  > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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