Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra

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om gurave namah

Dear Reema

Before I begin, I want to show my appreciation for your sincere

effort. First let us understand the principle concerned - Principle 2 is what

is being examined by you, so I will stick to that.

The statement is -

Principle 2: PVR

> I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house

reckoned from AmK in D-10 and the 10th

> star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an

influence of the same planet and that

> planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi

chart, one rises to a position of power and

> influence in one's work. We are basically looking for

synergy between (a) the professional (D-10)

> effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of

the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the

> blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL).

POINT 1: In order to understand, we need to address the

following - why are we looking at the 6th house from Amatyakaraka? AmK related

to profession is something I have been *propagating* and can be stated

as another of *Rath's own teachings*. So, this statement means that, to

a limited extent my teaching/Puri teaching, is being accepted. Fine

Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatya

daase chaivaM* which means we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...for

what? This has reference to the previous sutra of Jaimini which relates to Ista

devata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has *nothing

to do with power and position*

On this ground, I reject the principle as it lacks understanding

of the basic rules and the upadesha of Jaimini has been grossly misinterpreted.

Even Pasashara does not ask us to see the 6th house from AmK for power, so why

should we do it?

POINT 2: Karma Nakshatra is a well known point and this is

nothing new. Whether one is using the 28 star system or the 27 star system,

this nakshatra will always play a powerful role in life and will dicate Karma

(work). More details can be had from Brihat nakshatra Book.

POINT 3: Trines to Ghatika Lagna is an attempt to hide the

standard - 1,5,7,9 house. In fact real power is in the 5th from ghatika lagna.

....we can have so many other things from Vedic Astrology and

then try to put them together and create multiple rules.

.............. MY VIEW............

Reema, I never look for rules. There are millions of them in

Vedic Astrology.I look for principles underlying the rules andthis is what I

teach all the time. If one tries to mug up rules, they will fail whereas the

principles will always stand and help as they are based on understanding and

not just memory.

Finally, please DO NOT look at 6th house Amatya Karaka for

power. This is preposterous idea. It is another place for seeing God,

spirituality and not power.

 

Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from

Amatyakaraka in dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual

path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

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sohamsa [sohamsa ]

On Behalf Of reema_sriganesh

10 November 2009 20:26

sohamsa

Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra

 

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||

 

Namaskaar Narasimha Ji,

 

I was catching up with the old emails on Sohamsa, and I came across your

messages elucidating the following two principles:

 

Principle 1

 

> The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK in it

shows the liberation of

> individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the

chakra in the nakshatra space and

> abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the

nakshatra space. Planet

> having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual liberation. The

5th and 9th from lagna

> show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three

factors, that planet can

> suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu goes in

reverse. Even when

> defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha argalas

based on houses from Rahu

> and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order.

 

Principle 2

 

> I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned from

AmK in D-10 and the 10th

> star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of the

same planet and that

> planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to

a position of power and

> influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy between (a)

the professional (D-10)

> effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of

work in one (AmK) and the

> blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL).

 

I studied both these principles in several charts. I do not feel that I can do

any justice towards testing the first principle, because, after all, who am I

to pass a judgment about someone's spirituality and then check the validity of

my presumptuous opinion in their charts?! However, I think I can do justice to

testing the second principle that you propose because power and influence,

especially power, that an individual wields is a tangible thing, and can be

perceived by the outside World.

 

You did provide 6 charts to support Principle 2. However, in my study I have

come across quite a few charts where this principle does not work. Here are the

examples of the charts where the principle does not work. Please note that I

used Jagannatha Ayanamsa and mixed 7/8 chara karakas (as per your

interpretation of Parasara).

 

1) Al Gore

 

DoB: 03/31/1948

ToB: 12:58

PoB: 77W02, 38N54

TZ: 5:00 Hrs. West of GMT

 

AmK is Budha. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and Rahu and is given

rasi drishti by Shani and Surya. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra

from Purvabhadra (occupied by AmK Budha) is Punarvasu. Punarvasu gets vedha

from Budha, Guru, and Chandra. So, a common planet is not influencing the first

two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-vice

president.

 

2) Abdul Kalam

 

DoB: 10/15/1931

ToB: 11:30

PoB: 79E18, 9N17

TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT

 

AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala and Ketu, and is

occupied by Guru. Budha and Chandra give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra,

the 10th nakshatra from Visakha (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Satabhishaka.

Satabhishaka gets vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the

first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an Indian

ex-president.

 

3) Benazir Bhutto

 

DoB: 06/21/1953

ToB: 20:16:03

PoB: Karachi, Pakistan

TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT

 

AmK is Shukra. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and is given rasi

drishti by Surya, Shani, and Shukra. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th

nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shukra) is Purvaphalguni, which

receives vedha from Ketu. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two

hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of a Pakistani ex-prime

minister.

 

4) Boris Yeltsin

 

DoB: 02/01/1931

ToB: 17:00:00

PoB: 63E47, 56N47

TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT

 

AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and occupied by

Chandra and Ketu. Shani, Budha, and Mangala give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra

Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvashadha (occupied by AmK Shani) is Aswini

receiving vedha from Chandra. Hence, there is a common planet i.e. Chandra

influencing these two hot spots. Let us see if Chandra influences trikona from

Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in Vrishchika and GL is in Tula. Chandra, thus,

does not associate in any way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not

work in this chart of a Russian ex-president.

 

5) Donald Rumsfeld

 

DoB: 07/09/1932

ToB: 17:40:00

PoB: 87W39, 41N51

TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT

 

AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Guru, and occupied by

Shani. Budha gives rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra

from Rohini (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Hasta, which receives vedha from

Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The

principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of defense.

 

6) Dudley Senanyake

 

DoB: 06/19/1911

ToB: 12:15:51

PoB: 79E51, 6N56

TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT

 

AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and Guru, Chandra,

Shani, Rahu, and Ketu give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th

nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shani) is Purvaphalguni, which receives

drishti from Chandra. Hence, there is a common planet i.e. Chandra influencing

these two hot spots. Let us see if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna

in rasi. Chandra is in Kumbha and GL is in Kanya. Chandra, thus, does not associate

in any way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of

a Sri Lankan ex-prime minister.

 

7) Gerald Ford Jr.

 

DoB: 07/14/1913

ToB: 0:41:00

PoB: 96W01, 41N17

TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT

 

AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned, and occupied by Shukra.

Shani, Chandra, and Budha give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th

nakshatra from Krittika (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Uttaraphalguni, which

receives vedha from Surya. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two

hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an American

ex-president.

 

8) Henry Kissinger

 

DoB: 05/27/1923

ToB: 5:30:00

PoB: Furth, Germany

TZ: 1:00 Hrs. East of GMT

 

AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and occupied by

Guru. Shani, Shukra, and Chandra give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra,

the 10th nakshatra from Hasta (occupied by AmK Shani) is Abhijeet, which

receives vedha from Surya, Budha, and Rahu. So, a common planet is not

influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart

of an American ex-secretary of state.

 

Of course, I ran out of time to test this principle on *all* the charts of

politicians that I have. Also, I cannot vouch for the accuracy of birth data

that I have used. But I can say this - out of the 16 charts I tested, 8

validated the principle, and 8 did not. The ones that did validate the

principle are:

 

1) Adolf Hitler

2) Bill Bradley

3) Condelizza Rice

4) Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi

5) Elizabeth Dole

6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt

7) Jayalalitha

8) Abraham Lincoln

 

So the success rate for me was 50%. It also got me thinking that perhaps we

should use another varga instead of D-10? Say, D-5? D-5 specifically deals with

power and authority as per my understanding. You have put forth two very

interesting principles based on your research and blessed intuition. I hope you

do write a follow-up to my question.

 

Om Tat Sat

Reema.

 

sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste Rajarshi,

>

> (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense

logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would expect it

to apply. That's all.

>

> I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers.

>

> * * *

>

> > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot.

>

> What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary special

lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example sometime back.

>

> There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so many

nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using many examples,

one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a template.

>

> I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned from

AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have

an influence of the same planet and that planet is also associated with a trine

from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position of power and influence in one's

work. We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10)

effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in

one (AmK) and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL).

>

> Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star counted

anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and Venus. In

D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Ta.

Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is the lord of GL and joins the lord of the

5th house from GL.

>

> Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, the 10th

star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In D-10, the 6th

house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In rasi chart, Jupiter

is the 9th lord from GL.

>

> Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th star

counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from nodes and

aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi containing Rahu

counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect it from Ta. In rasi

chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL.

>

> PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the 10th

star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from Moon

and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing Venus is Ge owned by

Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, Mercury is the dispositor

of the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with them, aspecting GL.

>

> Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th star

is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from Mars and

Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi owned and occupied

by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi chart, Mercury and Mars

are in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL.

>

> George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the 10th

star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by Mercury,

Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing Jupiter is Ge

owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi chart, Mercury and

Venus are in the 9th house from GL.

>

> * * *

>

> Bottomline:

>

> One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra (SBC),

various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the mental level

(SBC), what factor at the level of a specific environment in life (i.e. a

divisional chart, examples of various environments shown in various divisional

charts are - professional in D-10, parental in D-12, educational in D-24,

spiritual in D-20, financial in D-2 etc) and what factor at the physical level

(rasi chart) need to have a synergy, in order to produce a specific result?

>

> * * *

>

> Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum-Jyotishis,

>

> I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2

cents if this makes no sense to you.

>

> I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and used

to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get up at 6 am.

I used to spend long hours formulating principles and testing them out on

charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After coming home from work, I used to

spend as much time on astrology study and research, as I used to spend on my

main profession during the day.

>

> After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending that

much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went up. Some ideas

that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation sessions turned out to be

good and simply worked in several charts that I tried out later.

>

> If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever knowledge

you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god and rishis and

surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish knowledge with the spirit

of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about nothing other than knowledge and

liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares about power, authority and control over

others. Vaisya is one who cares about money. Do not look at your Jyotish

knowledge as a means to have some control or authority over people and do not

feel proud of your knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your

Jyotish knowledge as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like

a vaishya. Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and

surrender to god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then.

>

> Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in Jyotish

completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish knowledge. But

so be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge *you

need* " . You don't know what you really need, but god does! Complete

surrender means not asking for any specific thing and accepting whatever comes

one's way!

>

> * * *

>

> Reply to Mail 2 below:

>

> I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity.

>

> 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she was

pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on a regular

basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery.

>

> Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer to,

that *he himself* would come as a son.

>

> There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself declared should

be the final word.

>

> 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go into a

nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some principle based

on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it completely vanished from

my consciousness as meditation deepened and the regular self-awareness vanished

too. Then I was in a nice spiritual state where the logical mind and intuitive

mind were very very calm without much mental activity. When I was coming back

to a state of normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a

thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the universe and

I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to observe it.

>

> I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I did

not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my gratitude to

Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this thought came and moreover

this principle is far more logical and far more accurate than anything I was

able to synthesize using my rational and intuitive minds before. If one begged

the king for money and suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's

backyard by an unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the

coins seem to be made of real gold..

>

> 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have some

really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to carry an

oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a separate invocation.

For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can offer an oblation in the fire

while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if

you want to offer to Jupiter, you can offer an oblation in the fire while

saying " om bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do

this after the main homam and before you start the final offerings to Agni,

Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati, Vishnu and Shiva.

>

> If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha invocation

from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and follow that

procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM

paraasharaaya namaH " or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the

verse for Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the

keys to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there in fire

and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure maximizes those

aspects in you.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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>

>

> sohamsa , rajarshi nandy rajarshi14@ wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Narasimha,

> >

> > Very good work.

> >

> > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very accurate

results.

> >

> > I have a few queries:

> >

> > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we

safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual

experience of Moksha?

> >

> > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects

the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, or

vice versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not reach the

highest realization?

> >

> > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person

cannot attain moksha in that life time?

> >

> > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot.

> >

> > -Regards

> > Rajarshi

> >

> > ------------------

> >

> > Mail 2:

> >

> > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams

> >

> > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote this

email

> > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a

larger

> > section of society. Thanks in advance.*

> >

> > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from

Maharishi

> > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent

charts and

> > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi and

vargas

> > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here!

> >

> > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light

emanated

> > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna's mother went to the

temple and

> > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she was

pregnant

> > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna's father had a dream

at Gaya

> > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny.

> >

> > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an empirical

> > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement was

arrived

> > at.

> >

> > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation?

> >

> > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been

toying with

> > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in the

homam,

> > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa

shastra.

> > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke

Maharishi

> > Jaimini in the homan?

> >

> > best regards

> > <name deleted>

> >

> > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote:

> >

> > Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@

> > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra

> > sohamsa , vedic astrology ,

, sjcBoston , sjc-guru

> > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM

> >

> > Namaste Sanjay and friends,

> >

> > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding

Ramakrishna Paramhamsa's chart:

> >

> > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I

have never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a

perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva. "

> >

> > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of

" Shiva " shown by the chart.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself revealed

and religious authorities at his time opined.

> >

> > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami

Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he

declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As

if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still have

doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And I do not

mean it in your vedantic sense! "

> >

> > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense

and referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly

revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never spoke a

lie and valued truthfulness highly. The words of the realized man in question

himself must be more reliable than questionable and unreliable astrological

principles.

> >

> > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time studied

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being trained by

Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical marks that

confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They declared him to be

an incarnation of Vishnu.

> >

> > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct.

> >

> > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even

called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and plays of

the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly created in him

respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. Well, it takes one

with purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa in one

with raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at the Shiva temple at Amarnath in

Himalayas that Vivekananda finally realized his true nature.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter is

supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, one may be

tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya and attribute Shiva

tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that is no logic. Jupiter is not

just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of Vishnu's avataras have been the

greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad

Gita, the greatest spiritual teaching ever.

> >

> > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair from a

few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. Govinda

Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too had several great

sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered an incarnation of Lord

Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to be of Vishnu tattwa.

> >

> > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of Shiva

(Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have had an amsha

of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would be no logic at all!

Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi Shankara.

> >

> > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara and

Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of Aadi

Shankara.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle

> > ------------ --------- --------- -

> >

> > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per

Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high

level soul having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and

Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it.

> >

> > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana Maharshi,

Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami Sivananda, which do

not satisfy the criterion. All of them are definitely " high level souls

having incarnated " .

> >

> > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula based

on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for

one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, the space

of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine planets, while the space

of chara karakas contains eight planets. A formula based on equating them is

mixing up two unequal sets. That is illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in

many examples and works in just two (third example is based on questionable

data). Thus, it sounds like a formula constructed based on an observation which

was made based on just 2-3 charts.

> >

> > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of

applicable charts.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on

abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for liberation,

that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was unsuccessful. Each

formula works in some and fails in some. The example charts I chose are all

unquestionably very high caliber spiritual people.

> >

> > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily Chandi

homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on abhisheka

nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable charts. The formula

that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka nakshatra - the 28th

nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has aspect or vedha in

sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is also associated with (a) the

12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in D-20 chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from

lagna in rasi chart. If chara aatma kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star

in SBC as well as counting of the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal

order. "

> >

> > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK

in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses spiritually.

Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and abhisheka (28th)

nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the nakshatra space. Planet

having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual liberation. The 5th

and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences

all the three factors, that planet can suggest liberation. The reverse counting

from Rahu is because Rahu goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara

asked to reckon argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu

in anti-zodiacal order.

> >

> > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya

and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes

liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the conscious

mental plane (SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20).

> >

> > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa lordships.

It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for rasis.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi, Swami

Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami Sivananda. It worked in all the

charts.

> >

> > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star

from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon is in

Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th lord.

> >

> > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from him

counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from Saturn. In

D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn

owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th house.

> >

> > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from

him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In D-20,

Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn occupies the

9th house.

> >

> > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star from

him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In

D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. In rasi, Jupiter occupies

the 5th house.

> >

> > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. The

28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and aspect from

Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns the 12th while Rahu

and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and occupies 9th.

> >

> > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star

from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In D-20,

Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp and Sun aspects

it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord.

> >

> > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th star

from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and Saturn aspects

it. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. Saturn and Rahu own it and

Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord in 9th house.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time continuum

when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave earth. To those

of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want to surrender to

Parasara and get some blessings from him, I suggest making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis

(oblations) of ghee at the beginning of uttaraangam while saying one of the

following:

> >

> > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM

> > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa.

paraasharaayedaM na mama.

> >

> > or

> >

> > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

>

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krushna ||Namaskaar Sanjay Ji,Thank you for raising a pertinent question. I guess I should have asked that, too, before checking the validity of this principle on charts. I would be very interested to hear Narasimha Ji's reasoning as to why he takes 6th from AmK to see power and influence.> Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatyadaase chaivaM* which means > we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...forwhat? This has reference to the previous > sutra of Jaimini which relates to Istadevata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality > purpose and has *nothingto do with power and position*Yes, I am aware of the SJC teaching of seeing Palana Devata - more specifically, a Devi form - from the 6th from AmK in Navamsa. I have two questions, here:1) What does 6th from AmK have to do with spirituality? I mean, for a spiritual person his/her palana is a manifestation of Devata's blessing. I get that. But beyond this, how does Palana Devata lead one to be more spiritual?2) A more fundamental question is why is Palana Devata seen from the 6th? It relates to matters of sustenance. Then, why not 2nd from AmK?Om Tat SatReema.sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> om gurave namah> > Dear Reema> > Before I begin, I want to show my appreciation for your sincere effort. First let us understand the principle concerned - Principle 2 is what is being examined by you, so I will stick to that.> > The statement is -> > Principle 2: PVR> > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that > > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position of power and > > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) > > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL).> > POINT 1: In order to understand, we need to address the following - why are we looking at the 6th house from Amatyakaraka? AmK related to profession is something I have been *propagating* and can be stated as another of *Rath's own teachings*. So, this statement means that, to a limited extent my teaching/Puri teaching, is being accepted. Fine> > Next why the 6th house? It is because of the dictum *amatya daase chaivaM* which means we need to look at the 6th house from AmK ...for what? This has reference to the previous sutra of Jaimini which relates to Ista devata. So, the 6th from AmK is seen for spirituality purpose and has *nothing to do with power and position*> > On this ground, I reject the principle as it lacks understanding of the basic rules and the upadesha of Jaimini has been grossly misinterpreted. Even Pasashara does not ask us to see the 6th house from AmK for power, so why should we do it?> > POINT 2: Karma Nakshatra is a well known point and this is nothing new. Whether one is using the 28 star system or the 27 star system, this nakshatra will always play a powerful role in life and will dicate Karma (work). More details can be had from Brihat nakshatra Book.> > POINT 3: Trines to Ghatika Lagna is an attempt to hide the standard - 1,5,7,9 house. In fact real power is in the 5th from ghatika lagna.> > ...we can have so many other things from Vedic Astrology and then try to put them together and create multiple rules.> > ............. MY VIEW............> > Reema, I never look for rules. There are millions of them in Vedic Astrology.I look for principles underlying the rules andthis is what I teach all the time. If one tries to mug up rules, they will fail whereas the principles will always stand and help as they are based on understanding and not just memory.> > Finally, please DO NOT look at 6th house Amatya Karaka for power. This is preposterous idea. It is another place for seeing God, spirituality and not power.> > > > Try this - If a strong planet is in the 6th house from Amatyakaraka in dashamsha, then the native will also do some good work in the spiritual path. This would be a more apt way of sayng things> > Best Wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762> > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of reema_sriganesh> 10 November 2009 20:26> sohamsa > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna ||> > Namaskaar Narasimha Ji,> > I was catching up with the old emails on Sohamsa, and I came across your messages elucidating the following two principles:> > Principle 1> > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK in it shows the liberation of > > individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and > > abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the nakshatra space. Planet > > having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna > > show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet can > > suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu goes in reverse. Even when > > defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu > > and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order.> > Principle 2> > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned from AmK in D-10 and the 10th > > star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that > > planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position of power and > > influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) > > effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the > > blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL).> > I studied both these principles in several charts. I do not feel that I can do any justice towards testing the first principle, because, after all, who am I to pass a judgment about someone's spirituality and then check the validity of my presumptuous opinion in their charts?! However, I think I can do justice to testing the second principle that you propose because power and influence, especially power, that an individual wields is a tangible thing, and can be perceived by the outside World.> > You did provide 6 charts to support Principle 2. However, in my study I have come across quite a few charts where this principle does not work. Here are the examples of the charts where the principle does not work. Please note that I used Jagannatha Ayanamsa and mixed 7/8 chara karakas (as per your interpretation of Parasara).> > 1) Al Gore> > DoB: 03/31/1948> ToB: 12:58> PoB: 77W02, 38N54> TZ: 5:00 Hrs. West of GMT> > AmK is Budha. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and Rahu and is given rasi drishti by Shani and Surya. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvabhadra (occupied by AmK Budha) is Punarvasu. Punarvasu gets vedha from Budha, Guru, and Chandra. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-vice president.> > 2) Abdul Kalam> > DoB: 10/15/1931> ToB: 11:30> PoB: 79E18, 9N17> TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT> > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala and Ketu, and is occupied by Guru. Budha and Chandra give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Visakha (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Satabhishaka. Satabhishaka gets vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an Indian ex-president.> > 3) Benazir Bhutto> > DoB: 06/21/1953> ToB: 20:16:03> PoB: Karachi, Pakistan> TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT> > AmK is Shukra. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and is given rasi drishti by Surya, Shani, and Shukra. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shukra) is Purvaphalguni, which receives vedha from Ketu. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of a Pakistani ex-prime minister.> > 4) Boris Yeltsin> > DoB: 02/01/1931> ToB: 17:00:00> PoB: 63E47, 56N47> TZ: 5 Hrs. East of GMT> > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Shani and occupied by Chandra and Ketu. Shani, Budha, and Mangala give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Purvashadha (occupied by AmK Shani) is Aswini receiving vedha from Chandra. Hence, there is a common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in Vrishchika and GL is in Tula. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a Russian ex-president.> > 5) Donald Rumsfeld> > DoB: 07/09/1932> ToB: 17:40:00> PoB: 87W39, 41N51> TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT> > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Guru, and occupied by Shani. Budha gives rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Rohini (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Hasta, which receives vedha from Shukra. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of defense.> > 6) Dudley Senanyake> > DoB: 06/19/1911> ToB: 12:15:51> PoB: 79E51, 6N56> TZ: 5:30 Hrs. East of GMT> > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and Guru, Chandra, Shani, Rahu, and Ketu give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Bharani (occupied by AmK Shani) is Purvaphalguni, which receives drishti from Chandra. Hence, there is a common planet i.e. Chandra influencing these two hot spots. Let us see if Chandra influences trikona from Ghati Lagna in rasi. Chandra is in Kumbha and GL is in Kanya. Chandra, thus, does not associate in any way to GL or its trikonas. The principle does not work in this chart of a Sri Lankan ex-prime minister.> > 7) Gerald Ford Jr.> > DoB: 07/14/1913> ToB: 0:41:00> PoB: 96W01, 41N17> TZ: 6 Hrs. West of GMT> > AmK is Mangala. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned, and occupied by Shukra. Shani, Chandra, and Budha give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Krittika (occupied by AmK Mangala) is Uttaraphalguni, which receives vedha from Surya. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-president.> > 8) Henry Kissinger> > DoB: 05/27/1923> ToB: 5:30:00> PoB: Furth, Germany> TZ: 1:00 Hrs. East of GMT> > AmK is Shani. Sixth from AmK in Dasamsa is owned by Mangala, and occupied by Guru. Shani, Shukra, and Chandra give rasi drishti. In Sarvatobhadra Chakra, the 10th nakshatra from Hasta (occupied by AmK Shani) is Abhijeet, which receives vedha from Surya, Budha, and Rahu. So, a common planet is not influencing the first two hot spots. The principle does not work in this chart of an American ex-secretary of state.> > Of course, I ran out of time to test this principle on *all* the charts of politicians that I have. Also, I cannot vouch for the accuracy of birth data that I have used. But I can say this - out of the 16 charts I tested, 8 validated the principle, and 8 did not. The ones that did validate the principle are:> > 1) Adolf Hitler> 2) Bill Bradley> 3) Condelizza Rice> 4) Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi> 5) Elizabeth Dole> 6) Franklin Delano Roosevelt> 7) Jayalalitha> 8) Abraham Lincoln> > So the success rate for me was 50%. It also got me thinking that perhaps we should use another varga instead of D-10? Say, D-5? D-5 specifically deals with power and authority as per my understanding. You have put forth two very interesting principles based on your research and blessed intuition. I hope you do write a follow-up to my question.> > Om Tat Sat> Reema.> > sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote:> >> > Namaste Rajarshi,> > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would expect it to apply. That's all.> > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers.> > > > * * *> > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot.> > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary special lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example sometime back.> > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so many nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using many examples, one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a template.> > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that planet is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position of power and influence in one's work. We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one (AmK) and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL).> > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star counted anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th house from GL.> > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, the 10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In D-10, the 6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In rasi chart, Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL.> > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from nodes and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect it from Ta. In rasi chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL.> > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the 10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing Venus is Ge owned by Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with them, aspecting GL.> > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from Mars and Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi owned and occupied by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi chart, Mercury and Mars are in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL.> > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the 10th star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing Jupiter is Ge owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi chart, Mercury and Venus are in the 9th house from GL.> > > > * * *> > > > Bottomline:> > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra (SBC), various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the mental level (SBC), what factor at the level of a specific environment in life (i.e. a divisional chart, examples of various environments shown in various divisional charts are - professional in D-10, parental in D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20, financial in D-2 etc) and what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to have a synergy, in order to produce a specific result?> > > > * * *> > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum-Jyotishis,> > > > I want to humbly say a word on "research". Please ignore my 2 cents if this makes no sense to you.> > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get up at 6 am. I used to spend long hours formulating principles and testing them out on charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After coming home from work, I used to spend as much time on astrology study and research, as I used to spend on my main profession during the day.> > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending that much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went up. Some ideas that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation sessions turned out to be good and simply worked in several charts that I tried out later.> > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever knowledge you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god and rishis and surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish knowledge with the spirit of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about nothing other than knowledge and liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares about power, authority and control over others. Vaisya is one who cares about money. Do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to have some control or authority over people and do not feel proud of your knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a vaishya. Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender to god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then.> > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in Jyotish completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish knowledge. But so be it. As I said, you will receive "whatever knowledge *you need*". You don't know what you really need, but god does! Complete surrender means not asking for any specific thing and accepting whatever comes one's way!> > > > * * *> > > > Reply to Mail 2 below:> > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity.> > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she was pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on a regular basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery.> > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer to, that *he himself* would come as a son.> > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself declared should be the final word.> > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go into a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some principle based on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it completely vanished from my consciousness as meditation deepened and the regular self-awareness vanished too. Then I was in a nice spiritual state where the logical mind and intuitive mind were very very calm without much mental activity. When I was coming back to a state of normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the universe and I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to observe it.> > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I did not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my gratitude to Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this thought came and moreover this principle is far more logical and far more accurate than anything I was able to synthesize using my rational and intuitive minds before. If one begged the king for money and suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's backyard by an unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the coins seem to be made of real gold..> > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have some really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to carry an oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a separate invocation. For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can offer an oblation in the fire while saying "om gautamaaya svaahaa. gautamaayedam na mama". Or, if you want to offer to Jupiter, you can offer an oblation in the fire while saying "om bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. bR^ihaspataya na mama". You can do this after the main homam and before you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati, Vishnu and Shiva.> > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha invocation from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and follow that procedure. Replace "oM gaM gaNapataye namaH" with "oM paM paraasharaaya namaH" or just "oM paraasharaaya namaH" or the verse for Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the keys to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there in fire and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure maximizes those aspects in you.> > > > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > sohamsa , rajarshi nandy rajarshi14@ wrote:> > > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > > > Very good work.> > > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very accurate results.> > > > > > I have a few queries:> > > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual experience of Moksha?> > > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, or vice versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not reach the highest realization?> > > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person cannot attain moksha in that life time?> > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot.> > > > > > -Regards > > > Rajarshi> > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > Mail 2:> > > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams> > > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote this email> > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a larger> > > section of society. Thanks in advance.*> > > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from Maharishi> > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent charts and> > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi and vargas> > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here!> > > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light emanated> > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna's mother went to the temple and> > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she was pregnant> > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna's father had a dream at Gaya> > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny.> > > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an empirical> > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement was arrived> > > at.> > > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation?> > > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been toying with> > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in the homam,> > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa shastra.> > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke Maharishi> > > Jaimini in the homan?> > > > > > best regards> > > <name deleted>> > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote:> > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@> > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra> > > sohamsa , vedic astrology , , sjcBoston , sjc-guru > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM> > > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends,> > > > > > In your book "Brihat Nakshatra", you said regarding Ramakrishna Paramhamsa's chart:> > > > > > "In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva."> > > > > > Then you went on to talk about the "specific" form of "Shiva" shown by the chart.> > > > > > * * *> > > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself revealed and religious authorities at his time opined.> > > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami Vivekananda) once thought to himself, "I will accept his divinity if he declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering." As if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, "you still have doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And I do not mean it in your vedantic sense!"> > > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense and referring to "He who was Rama and Krishna before", he clearly revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never spoke a lie and valued truthfulness highly. The words of the realized man in question himself must be more reliable than questionable and unreliable astrological principles.> > > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time studied Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being trained by Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical marks that confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They declared him to be an incarnation of Vishnu.> > > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct.> > > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and plays of the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly created in him respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. Well, it takes one with purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas that Vivekananda finally realized his true nature.> > > > > > * * *> > > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter is supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, one may be tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya and attribute Shiva tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that is no logic. Jupiter is not just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of Vishnu's avataras have been the greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad Gita, the greatest spiritual teaching ever.> > > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair from a few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. Govinda Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too had several great sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered an incarnation of Lord Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to be of Vishnu tattwa.> > > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of Shiva (Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have had an amsha of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would be no logic at all! Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi Shankara.> > > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara and Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of Aadi Shankara.> > > > > > * * *> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle> > > ------------ --------- --------- -> > > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the "first indication of a high level soul having incarnated". You use the charts of Ramakrishna and Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it.> > > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami Sivananda, which do not satisfy the criterion. All of them are definitely "high level souls having incarnated".> > > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula based on "vimsottari lordships", which is just a star-planet mapping for one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, the space of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine planets, while the space of chara karakas contains eight planets. A formula based on equating them is mixing up two unequal sets. That is illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many examples and works in just two (third example is based on questionable data). Thus, it sounds like a formula constructed based on an observation which was made based on just 2-3 charts.> > > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of applicable charts.> > > > > > * * *> > > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for liberation, that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was unsuccessful. Each formula works in some and fails in some. The example charts I chose are all unquestionably very high caliber spiritual people.> > > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily Chandi homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on abhisheka nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable charts. The formula that was given to me is this: "The abhisheka nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is also associated with (a) the 12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in D-20 chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart. If chara aatma kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as counting of the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order."> > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the nakshatra space. Planet having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three factors, that planet can suggest liberation. The reverse counting from Rahu is because Rahu goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order.> > > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the conscious mental plane (SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20).> > > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa lordships. It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for rasis.> > > > > > * * *> > > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami Sivananda. It worked in all the charts.> > > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon is in Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th lord.> > > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from him counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from Saturn. In D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th house.> > > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In D-20, Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th house.> > > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star from him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. In rasi, Jupiter occupies the 5th house.> > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. The 28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns the 12th while Rahu and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and occupies 9th.> > > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In D-20, Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp and Sun aspects it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord.> > > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th star from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and Saturn aspects it. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. Saturn and Rahu own it and Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord in 9th house.> > > > > > * * *> > > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time continuum when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave earth. To those of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want to surrender to Parasara and get some blessings from him, I suggest making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations) of ghee at the beginning of uttaraangam while saying one of the following:> > > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM> > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama.> > > > > > or> > > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama.> > > > > > Best regards,> > > Narasimha> >>