Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Dear All, I was following your discussion. I could not resist but wanted to share a chart that i have of a native currently experiencing vitiligo. Will it be permanent or temporary and what would be the cause? DOB: 11/05/07 TOB: 7:57AM. POB co-ordinates: Long: 122 W 4' 58" Latitude: 37 N 23' 10". -thanks Kris --- On Tue, 9/1/09, tarungarg <tarungarg wrote: tarungarg <tarungarg Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:18 PM Hi Michal,Interesting revelation there in terms of the weekday and AK. Can you suggest why? What is the principle behind that?Tarunsohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Maja,> > Yes, allergy. The allergy is to a particular graha. Take lactose intolerance - would we not be looking for Moon? Why not look at the allergen itself - it is the nimitta for a karmic disfunction.> > I remember another small point. Take the weekday order. The graha who rules the day previous to AK is something the person cannot eat. Mars AK cannot take milk, Moon AK cannot take wheat etc.> > Regards,> Michal> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...>> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 10:56:38 PM> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Michal, namaste> > I do see a point in first paragraph of your email. Everything I write in my replies, please understand it as a big question, even though there is no question mark. It is loud thinking. > > Because this protein is typical for wheat, we should probably take Sy in consideration after all. But Krishnamurthy gave a very good point there in reply to us: wheat is not causing this problem. I will add one question to this in next reply.> > You were saying: "Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu)." You just gave definition how it started. When first symptoms of celiac syndrome appear it is not so easy to give correct diagnosis. It is very shocking, drastic, weight loosing, swelling, elimination of everything one eats without absorption etc. Think of suffering this havoc for almost two months and listening to wrong diagnosys, even cancer at one point. > > This is one of the easiest illnesses she was experiencing so far. All of them were "drastic, shocking" and hard for determining correct diagnosis (or she was very "lucky" with choice of MD every time). I will have to ask what was the illness for which doctors told her she is about to die and they are powerless to help her (that was decade ago). > > That is why I was not giving up adding Rahu and Badhakstan to this story. > > My initial question was: should we just search karaka for autoimmune disease in chart, or stick to symptoms and karaka for area where they appear? I see both in this chart. Am I alone in this?> > Autoimmune diseases are not so simple as they may appear at first. Why there is no standard therapy which can bring to complete healing? "Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. " Only if you don't eat wheat. There is no other way known to allopathic medicine to manage it. This can manage symptomes, but can not cancel the cause.> > Classifying it as autoimmune disease is not a big discovery. It is easy to explain physiological background of what is happening during allergic reaction, but this is not including root cause (we are not all alergic). Problem is to determine which factors unleash this reaction of immune system (I am not aiming on allergen). Bottom line, it is still unknown. Do you notice any similarity with Rahu?> > Warm Regards,> Maja Strbac> > --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> > > >Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >sohamsa@ .com> >Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:41 PM> >> >> > > > >Hare Rama Krsna ||> >> >Dear Maja,> >> >There is protein in milk and peanuts. When we are dealing with the level of the graha should we look at the foods represented by them or microscopic levels they represent?> >> >In this case I am more inclined to look at 8th lord Sun. Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. With this being the case why do you insist on looking at badhakstan? Perhaps the person has other health problems that may be due to this. Nodes on 1/7 axis definitely gives stomach problems but not necessarily celiac disease.> >> >Regards,> >Michal> >> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >> >sohamsa@ .com> >Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 12:33:16 PM> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >> > > > >Om Gurave Namah> >> >Dear Michal, namaste> >> >One little detail, it can be relevant: Surya is karaka for wheat, but karaka for proteins is Mangal (I can point you to recent lessons where Sanjay was mentioning this). 6th and 8th lords joined-giving digestion related problems sounds pretty much common sense to me (as additional factor along with lagnesh in 6th. Celiac syndrome is not one and only serious health problem she was experiencing until nowadays), but I still see big Rahu/mangal parivartana "screaming" from badhakstan aspecting Lagna (health) by Rasi dristi. I just can't skip this part.> >> >Warm Regards,> >Maja Strbac> >> >Hari Om> > Tat Sat> >> >--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> >> >> >>> >> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:25 PM> >>> >>> >> >> > >>Hare Rama Krsna ||> >>> >>Dear Maja and Krishna,> >>> >>Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheat> >>> >>So is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL).> >>> >>In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord> >> it can give chronic digestive> >> disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.> >>> >>Regards,> >>Michal> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PM> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>> >> >> > >>Dear Maja,> >>> >>> >>Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder.> >>> >>> >>I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well.> >>> >>> >>This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).> >>> >>> >>Regards,> >>Krishna> >>> >>> >>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>> >> >>>> >>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>> >>>Dear Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>> >>>(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also > >>>> >>>For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:> >>>DOB: 25th of April 1975> >>>TOB: 01:44 AM> >>>POB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 > >>>Time zone is 01h East of GMT> >>>> >>>You should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. > >>>> >>>Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?> >>>> >>>Warm> >>> Regards,> >>>> >>>Maja Strbac> >>>> >>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>> >>>> >>>--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>> >>>> >>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>Dear Maja,> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Another good name :-)> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Krishna> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>>>> >>>>>Dear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>>>> >>>>>(two wonderful names indeed > >>>>>> >>>>>Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. > >>>>>Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.> >>>>>Asthma - lungs> >>>>>Vitiligo- skin> >>>>>> >>>>>All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). > >>>>>> >>>>>Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart?> >>>>>> >>>>>I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join> >>>>> me to go through them together? > >>>>>> >>>>>Warm Regards to both,> >>>>>Maja Strbac> >>>>>> >>>>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>Dear Lakshmi,> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Yours is a good name too :-)> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>Nice name!> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>There is the seed , or origin,> >>>>>>> and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma,> >>>>>>>it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms".> >>>>>>>Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro,> >>>>>>>to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are,> >>>>>>> where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc.> >>>>>>>In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof)> >>>>>>>But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.> >>>>>>> Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body.> >>>>>>>Hope you understand my point.> >>>>>>>One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks.> >>>>>>>One symptom of chicken pox is a rash.> >>>>>>>One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer.> >>>>>>>So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease?> >>>>>>>Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms".> >>>>>>>Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka .> >>>>>>>Hopefully you understand what i was getting at.> >>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Dear Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Did you want to say:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>- It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or> >>>>>>>- It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Please clarify.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>>Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved.> >>>>>>>>When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack.> >>>>>>>>Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues.> >>>>>>>>Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Bottom line Many of these things overlap> >>>>>>>>( i mean karaka wise)> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it?> >>>>>>>>So I see it all as inter related.> >>>>>>>>See primary issue, and then secondary issue.> >>>>>>>>In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause.> >>>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM> >>>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Dear Sanjay, > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Interesting ly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Comments welcome.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>|| Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>Dear Krishna,> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue).> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's> >>>>>>>>> house.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Warm Regards,> >>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Dear Sanjayji, > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this?> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>| | Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Jani,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.> >>>>>>>>>>>In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Warm Regards> >>>>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani (AT) (DOT) com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Birth details of one my relative are follows.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> DOB 14/7/1972> >>>>>>>>>>>> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time: 20:20 Hrs> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> M H Jani> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Natal Chart> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>July 14, 1972> >>>>>>>>>>>Time: 20:20:00> >>>>>>>>>>>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> >>>>>>>>>>>Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00"> >>>>>>>>>>> Navsari, India> >>>>>>>>>>>Altitude : 0.00 meters> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha> >>>>>>>>>>>Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)> >>>>>>>>>>>Nakshatr a: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn)> >>>>>>>>>>>Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunrise: 6:05:28> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunset: 19:22:37> >>>>>>>>>>>Janma Ghatis: 35.6057> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Ayanamsa : 23-28-21.04> >>>>>>>>>>>Sidereal Time: 15:11:56> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58'> >>>>>>>>>>> 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Maandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar > >>>>>>>>>>> Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Bhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Ghati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Varnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Pranapad a Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Bhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar> >>>>>>>>>>> Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Vyatipat a 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Parivesh a 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Yama Ghantaka > >>>>>>>>>>> 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Prana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>TriSphut a 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>ChatusSp huta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" 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Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Hi,Pls. let me know if the date is November 5th or May 11th. Also, I guess DST is applicable for this date. Please confirmRegards,Krishna On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Ishwar <sikris wrote: Dear All, I was following your discussion. I could not resist but wanted to share a chart that i have of a native currently experiencing vitiligo. Will it be permanent or temporary and what would be the cause? DOB: 11/05/07 TOB: 7:57AM. POB co-ordinates: Long: 122 W 4' 58 " Latitude: 37 N 23' 10 " . -thanks Kris --- On Tue, 9/1/09, tarungarg <tarungarg wrote: tarungarg <tarungarg Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:18 PM Hi Michal,Interesting revelation there in terms of the weekday and AK. Can you suggest why? What is the principle behind that?Tarunsohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: >> Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Maja,> > Yes, allergy. The allergy is to a particular graha. Take lactose intolerance - would we not be looking for Moon? Why not look at the allergen itself - it is the nimitta for a karmic disfunction. > > I remember another small point. Take the weekday order. The graha who rules the day previous to AK is something the person cannot eat. Mars AK cannot take milk, Moon AK cannot take wheat etc.> > Regards, > Michal> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...>> sohamsa@ .com > Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 10:56:38 PM> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Michal, namaste> > I do see a point in first paragraph of your email. Everything I write in my replies, please understand it as a big question, even though there is no question mark. It is loud thinking. > > Because this protein is typical for wheat, we should probably take Sy in consideration after all. But Krishnamurthy gave a very good point there in reply to us: wheat is not causing this problem. I will add one question to this in next reply. > > You were saying: " Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). " You just gave definition how it started. When first symptoms of celiac syndrome appear it is not so easy to give correct diagnosis. It is very shocking, drastic, weight loosing, swelling, elimination of everything one eats without absorption etc. Think of suffering this havoc for almost two months and listening to wrong diagnosys, even cancer at one point. > > This is one of the easiest illnesses she was experiencing so far. All of them were " drastic, shocking " and hard for determining correct diagnosis (or she was very " lucky " with choice of MD every time). I will have to ask what was the illness for which doctors told her she is about to die and they are powerless to help her (that was decade ago). > > That is why I was not giving up adding Rahu and Badhakstan to this story. > > My initial question was: should we just search karaka for autoimmune disease in chart, or stick to symptoms and karaka for area where they appear? I see both in this chart. Am I alone in this?> > Autoimmune diseases are not so simple as they may appear at first. Why there is no standard therapy which can bring to complete healing? " Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. " Only if you don't eat wheat. There is no other way known to allopathic medicine to manage it. This can manage symptomes, but can not cancel the cause. > > Classifying it as autoimmune disease is not a big discovery. It is easy to explain physiological background of what is happening during allergic reaction, but this is not including root cause (we are not all alergic). Problem is to determine which factors unleash this reaction of immune system (I am not aiming on allergen). Bottom line, it is still unknown. Do you notice any similarity with Rahu?> > Warm Regards,> Maja Strbac> > --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> > > >Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> > >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >sohamsa@ .com> >Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:41 PM> >> >> > > > >Hare Rama Krsna || > >> >Dear Maja,> >> >There is protein in milk and peanuts. When we are dealing with the level of the graha should we look at the foods represented by them or microscopic levels they represent? > >> >In this case I am more inclined to look at 8th lord Sun. Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. With this being the case why do you insist on looking at badhakstan? Perhaps the person has other health problems that may be due to this. Nodes on 1/7 axis definitely gives stomach problems but not necessarily celiac disease. > >> >Regards,> >Michal> >> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > > >sohamsa@ .com> >Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 12:33:16 PM> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >> > > > >Om Gurave Namah > >> >Dear Michal, namaste> >> >One little detail, it can be relevant: Surya is karaka for wheat, but karaka for proteins is Mangal (I can point you to recent lessons where Sanjay was mentioning this). 6th and 8th lords joined-giving digestion related problems sounds pretty much common sense to me (as additional factor along with lagnesh in 6th. Celiac syndrome is not one and only serious health problem she was experiencing until nowadays), but I still see big Rahu/mangal parivartana " screaming " from badhakstan aspecting Lagna (health) by Rasi dristi. I just can't skip this part. > >> >Warm Regards,> >Maja Strbac> >> >Hari Om> > Tat Sat> >> >--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> > > >> >>> >> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>sohamsa@ .com > >>Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:25 PM> >>> >>> >> >> > >>Hare Rama Krsna ||> >>> >>Dear Maja and Krishna,> >>> >>Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheat> >>> >>So is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL). > >>> >>In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord> >> it can give chronic digestive> >> disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running. > >>> >>Regards,> >>Michal> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PM > >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>> >> >> > >>Dear Maja,> >>> >>> >>Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. > >>> >>> >>I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. > >>> >>> >>This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them). > >>> >>> >>Regards,> >>Krishna> >>> >>> >>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: > >>> >> >>>> >>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>> >>>Dear Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>> >>>(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for " water " also > >>>> >>>For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:> >>>DOB: 25th of April 1975> >>>TOB: 01:44 AM> >>>POB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 > >>>Time zone is 01h East of GMT > >>>> >>>You should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. > >>>> >>>Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?> >>>> >>>Warm> >>> Regards, > >>>> >>>Maja Strbac> >>>> >>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>> >>>> >>>--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote: > >>>> >>>> >>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com > >>>>Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>Dear Maja,> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Another good name :-)> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle. > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Krishna> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>>> > >>>>>Dear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>>>> >>>>>(two wonderful names indeed > >>>>>> >>>>>Your discussion made me think over some examples of " root cause " and manifestation of disease. > >>>>>Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.> >>>>>Asthma - lungs> >>>>>Vitiligo- skin> >>>>>> >>>>>All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). > >>>>>> >>>>>Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this " global epidemic " ), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? > >>>>>> >>>>>I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join> >>>>> me to go through them together? > >>>>>> >>>>>Warm Regards to both, > >>>>>Maja Strbac> >>>>>> >>>>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>Dear Lakshmi,> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Yours is a good name too :-) > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.> >>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: > >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>Nice name! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>There is the seed , or origin,> >>>>>>> and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma,> >>>>>>>it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal " symptoms " .> >>>>>>>Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro,> >>>>>>>to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are,> >>>>>>> where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc. > >>>>>>>In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) > >>>>>>>But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.> >>>>>>> Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body.> >>>>>>>Hope you understand my point.> >>>>>>>One " symptom " of lupus is a rash on the cheeks. > >>>>>>>One symptom of chicken pox is a rash.> >>>>>>>One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer.> >>>>>>>So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease? > >>>>>>>Not at the skin, it is just one of many " symptoms " .> >>>>>>>Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka .> >>>>>>>Hopefully you understand what i was getting at. > >>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Dear Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Did you want to say:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>- It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or > >>>>>>>- It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Please clarify.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>>Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved. > >>>>>>>>When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Many skin problems are the result of " body chemistry " out of wack. > >>>>>>>>Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues.> >>>>>>>>Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Bottom line Many of these things overlap> >>>>>>>>( i mean karaka wise)> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it?> >>>>>>>>So I see it all as inter related. > >>>>>>>>See primary issue, and then secondary issue.> >>>>>>>>In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause. > >>>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM > >>>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Dear Sanjay, > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Interesting ly, Dr. Charak in his book on " Essentials of Medical Astrology " puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Comments welcome.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>|| Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>Dear Krishna,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue). > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's > >>>>>>>>> house.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Warm Regards,> >>>>>>>>>Sanjay P > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Dear Sanjayji, > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this?> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>| | Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Jani, > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.> >>>>>>>>>>>In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Warm Regards > >>>>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani (AT) (DOT) com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Birth details of one my relative are follows. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> DOB 14/7/1972 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time: 20:20 Hrs> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> M H Jani> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Natal Chart> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>July 14, 1972 > >>>>>>>>>>>Time: 20:20:00> >>>>>>>>>>>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> >>>>>>>>>>>Place: 72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 " > >>>>>>>>>>> Navsari, India> >>>>>>>>>>>Altitude : 0.00 meters> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha> >>>>>>>>>>>Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)> >>>>>>>>>>>Nakshatr a: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left) > >>>>>>>>>>>Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn) > >>>>>>>>>>>Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Sunrise: 6:05:28> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunset: 19:22:37> >>>>>>>>>>>Janma Ghatis: 35.6057> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Ayanamsa : 23-28-21.04> >>>>>>>>>>>Sidereal Time: 15:11:56 > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Ta > >>>>>>>>>>>Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna 3 Ge Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha 1 Le Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push 4 Cn Sc > >>>>>>>>>>>Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre 3 Cn Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool 3 Sg Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig 1 Ta Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' > >>>>>>>>>>> 15.19 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha 2 Cp Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna 4 Cn Cn > >>>>>>>>>>>Maandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi 3 Ar > >>>>>>>>>>> Ge > >>>>>>>>>>>Bhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha 3 Vi Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Ghati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Varnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar > >>>>>>>>>>>Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi 4 Ar Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Pranapad a Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast 1 Vi Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast 2 Vi Ta > >>>>>>>>>>>Bhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar 4 Ar> >>>>>>>>>>> Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu 3 Sc Li > >>>>>>>>>>>Vyatipat a 17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha 2 Le Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Parivesh a 17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata 4 Aq Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi > >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig 3 Ge Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav 1 Cp Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan 3 Aq Li > >>>>>>>>>>>Yama Ghantaka > >>>>>>>>>>> 28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha 3 Aq Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Prana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva 2 Pi Cp > >>>>>>>>>>>Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha 3 Le Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha 2 Vi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>TriSphut a 8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>ChatusSp huta 7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha 4 Vi Pi > >>>>>>>>>>>PanchaSp huta 10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V3 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Le> >>>>>>>>>>>V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Sg > >>>>>>>>>>>V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V7 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V9 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Sg > >>>>>>>>>>>V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>V11 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Le > >>>>>>>>>>>V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit 4 Ta Pi> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>| |Md Gk |Ve Sa > >>>>>>>>>>> |Su GL | > >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | > >>>>>>>>>>> | | | > >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- 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Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Namaste The date is november 5th, 2007. West of GMT -thanks kris--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Vitiligo Problemsohamsa Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:34 AM Hi, Pls. let me know if the date is November 5th or May 11th. Also, I guess DST is applicable for this date. Please confirm Regards, Krishna On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Ishwar <sikris > wrote: Dear All, I was following your discussion. I could not resist but wanted to share a chart that i have of a native currently experiencing vitiligo. Will it be permanent or temporary and what would be the cause? DOB: 11/05/07 TOB: 7:57AM. POB co-ordinates: Long: 122 W 4' 58" Latitude: 37 N 23' 10". -thanks Kris --- On Tue, 9/1/09, tarungarg <tarungarg > wrote: tarungarg <tarungarg > Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comTuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:18 PM Hi Michal,Interesting revelation there in terms of the weekday and AK. Can you suggest why? What is the principle behind that?Tarunsohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Maja,> > Yes, allergy. The allergy is to a particular graha. Take lactose intolerance - would we not be looking for Moon? Why not look at the allergen itself - it is the nimitta for a karmic disfunction.> > I remember another small point. Take the weekday order. The graha who rules the day previous to AK is something the person cannot eat. Mars AK cannot take milk, Moon AK cannot take wheat etc.> > Regards,> Michal> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...>> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 10:56:38 PM> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Michal, namaste> > I do see a point in first paragraph of your email. Everything I write in my replies, please understand it as a big question, even though there is no question mark. It is loud thinking. > > Because this protein is typical for wheat, we should probably take Sy in consideration after all. But Krishnamurthy gave a very good point there in reply to us: wheat is not causing this problem. I will add one question to this in next reply.> > You were saying: "Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu)." You just gave definition how it started. When first symptoms of celiac syndrome appear it is not so easy to give correct diagnosis. It is very shocking, drastic, weight loosing, swelling, elimination of everything one eats without absorption etc. Think of suffering this havoc for almost two months and listening to wrong diagnosys, even cancer at one point. > > This is one of the easiest illnesses she was experiencing so far. All of them were "drastic, shocking" and hard for determining correct diagnosis (or she was very "lucky" with choice of MD every time). I will have to ask what was the illness for which doctors told her she is about to die and they are powerless to help her (that was decade ago). > > That is why I was not giving up adding Rahu and Badhakstan to this story. > > My initial question was: should we just search karaka for autoimmune disease in chart, or stick to symptoms and karaka for area where they appear? I see both in this chart. Am I alone in this?> > Autoimmune diseases are not so simple as they may appear at first. Why there is no standard therapy which can bring to complete healing? "Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. " Only if you don't eat wheat. There is no other way known to allopathic medicine to manage it. This can manage symptomes, but can not cancel the cause.> > Classifying it as autoimmune disease is not a big discovery. It is easy to explain physiological background of what is happening during allergic reaction, but this is not including root cause (we are not all alergic). Problem is to determine which factors unleash this reaction of immune system (I am not aiming on allergen). Bottom line, it is still unknown. Do you notice any similarity with Rahu?> > Warm Regards,> Maja Strbac> > --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> > > >Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >sohamsa@ .com> >Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:41 PM> >> >> > > > >Hare Rama Krsna ||> >> >Dear Maja,> >> >There is protein in milk and peanuts. When we are dealing with the level of the graha should we look at the foods represented by them or microscopic levels they represent?> >> >In this case I am more inclined to look at 8th lord Sun. Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. With this being the case why do you insist on looking at badhakstan? Perhaps the person has other health problems that may be due to this. Nodes on 1/7 axis definitely gives stomach problems but not necessarily celiac disease.> >> >Regards,> >Michal> >> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >> >sohamsa@ .com> >Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 12:33:16 PM> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >> > > > >Om Gurave Namah> >> >Dear Michal, namaste> >> >One little detail, it can be relevant: Surya is karaka for wheat, but karaka for proteins is Mangal (I can point you to recent lessons where Sanjay was mentioning this). 6th and 8th lords joined-giving digestion related problems sounds pretty much common sense to me (as additional factor along with lagnesh in 6th. Celiac syndrome is not one and only serious health problem she was experiencing until nowadays), but I still see big Rahu/mangal parivartana "screaming" from badhakstan aspecting Lagna (health) by Rasi dristi. I just can't skip this part.> >> >Warm Regards,> >Maja Strbac> >> >Hari Om> > Tat Sat> >> >--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> >> >> >>> >> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:25 PM> >>> >>> >> >> > >>Hare Rama Krsna ||> >>> >>Dear Maja and Krishna,> >>> >>Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheat> >>> >>So is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL).> >>> >>In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord> >> it can give chronic digestive> >> disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.> >>> >>Regards,> >>Michal> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PM> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>> >> >> > >>Dear Maja,> >>> >>> >>Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder.> >>> >>> >>I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well.> >>> >>> >>This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).> >>> >>> >>Regards,> >>Krishna> >>> >>> >>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>> >> >>>> >>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>> >>>Dear Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>> >>>(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also > >>>> >>>For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:> >>>DOB: 25th of April 1975> >>>TOB: 01:44 AM> >>>POB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 > >>>Time zone is 01h East of GMT> >>>> >>>You should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. > >>>> >>>Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?> >>>> >>>Warm> >>> Regards,> >>>> >>>Maja Strbac> >>>> >>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>> >>>> >>>--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>> >>>> >>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>Dear Maja,> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Another good name :-)> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Krishna> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>>>> >>>>>Dear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>>>> >>>>>(two wonderful names indeed > >>>>>> >>>>>Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. > >>>>>Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.> >>>>>Asthma - lungs> >>>>>Vitiligo- skin> >>>>>> >>>>>All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). > >>>>>> >>>>>Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart?> >>>>>> >>>>>I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join> >>>>> me to go through them together? > >>>>>> >>>>>Warm Regards to both,> >>>>>Maja Strbac> >>>>>> >>>>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>Dear Lakshmi,> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Yours is a good name too :-)> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>Nice name!> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>There is the seed , or origin,> >>>>>>> and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma,> >>>>>>>it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms".> >>>>>>>Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro,> >>>>>>>to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are,> >>>>>>> where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc.> >>>>>>>In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof)> >>>>>>>But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.> >>>>>>> Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body.> >>>>>>>Hope you understand my point.> >>>>>>>One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks.> >>>>>>>One symptom of chicken pox is a rash.> >>>>>>>One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer.> >>>>>>>So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease?> >>>>>>>Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms".> >>>>>>>Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka .> >>>>>>>Hopefully you understand what i was getting at.> >>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Dear Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Did you want to say:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>- It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or> >>>>>>>- It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Please clarify.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>>Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved.> >>>>>>>>When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack.> >>>>>>>>Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues.> >>>>>>>>Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Bottom line Many of these things overlap> >>>>>>>>( i mean karaka wise)> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it?> >>>>>>>>So I see it all as inter related.> >>>>>>>>See primary issue, and then secondary issue.> >>>>>>>>In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause.> >>>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM> >>>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Dear Sanjay, > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Interesting ly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Comments welcome.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>|| Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>Dear Krishna,> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue).> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's> >>>>>>>>> house.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Warm Regards,> >>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Dear Sanjayji, > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this?> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>| | Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Jani,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.> >>>>>>>>>>>In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Warm Regards> >>>>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Birth details of one my relative are follows.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> DOB 14/7/1972> >>>>>>>>>>>> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time: 20:20 Hrs> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> M H Jani> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Natal Chart> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>July 14, 1972> >>>>>>>>>>>Time: 20:20:00> >>>>>>>>>>>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> >>>>>>>>>>>Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00"> >>>>>>>>>>> Navsari, India> >>>>>>>>>>>Altitude : 0.00 meters> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha> >>>>>>>>>>>Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)> >>>>>>>>>>>Nakshatr a: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn)> >>>>>>>>>>>Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunrise: 6:05:28> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunset: 19:22:37> >>>>>>>>>>>Janma Ghatis: 35.6057> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Ayanamsa : 23-28-21.04> >>>>>>>>>>>Sidereal Time: 15:11:56> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58'> >>>>>>>>>>> 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Maandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar > >>>>>>>>>>> Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Bhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Ghati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Varnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Pranapad a Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Bhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar> >>>>>>>>>>> Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Vyatipat a 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Parivesh a 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Yama Ghantaka > >>>>>>>>>>> 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Prana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>TriSphut a 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>ChatusSp huta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>PanchaSp huta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V3 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li Le> >>>>>>>>>>>V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V7 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>V11 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq Le> >>>>>>>>>>>V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>| |Md Gk |Ve Sa > >>>>>>>>>>> |Su GL |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | > >>>>>>>>>>> | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |Ma Me |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |Ke |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |> >>>>>>>>>>> |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- | Rasi |----------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| As Ra | > >>>>>>>>>>> |Mo |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | > >>>>>>>>>>> | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| JuR | | |HL AL |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | > >>>>>>>>>>> | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |As |Su JuR |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |Gk |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| Me HL | |Sa Ke |> >>>>>>>>>>>| GL | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| > >>>>>>>>>>> | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | Navamsa | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- | |----------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| Ra > >>>>>>>>>>> | D-9 |Mo Ve |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |AL |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| |Ma | |Md |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>|> >>>>>>>>>>> | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Vimsotta ri Dasa ():> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 > >>>>>>>>>>> Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 > >>>>>>>>>>>Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 > >>>>>>>>>>> Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 > >>>>>>>>>>> Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 > >>>>>>>>>>>Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 > >>>>>>>>>>> Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 > >>>>>>>>>>>Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 > >>>>>>>>>>>Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 > >>>>>>>>>>> Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun 2025-04-24> >>>>>>>>>>> Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 > >>>>>>>>>>>Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 > >>>>>>>>>>> Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 > >>>>>>>>>>>Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 > >>>>>>>>>>> Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 > >>>>>>>>>>>Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 > >>>>>>>>>>> Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 > >>>>>>>>>>>Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 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Guest guest Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Dear Kris,Thanks for the clarification.Are the patches more on the lower part of the body?I feel that the main reason for the problem is afflictions to both Mercury & Venus: - Mercury is in Rasi Sandhi and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu- Venus is in its debilitation sign and is in papa kartari and aspected by Mars. Venus also occupies 11H of skin problems - There is parivartana yoga between Mercury and VenusThe child is born during Sun-Jup period. Sun is with Mercury in Rasi and Jupiter is in the nakshatra of Mercury. Hence, it is possible that the problem was there by birth or it could have started during Sun-Sat period. The child is going through Sun-Mer period now which is a bad phase for this problem. However, the good news is that Mercury is vargottama and it is not combust. Also, Venus is far away from its deep debilitation point. Hence, possibly this child could be cured from the condition. There is a need to strengthen Mercury and Venus.Regards,KrishnaOn Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Ishwar <sikris wrote: Namaste The date is november 5th, 2007. West of GMT -thanks kris--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Vitiligo Problem sohamsa Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:34 AM Hi, Pls. let me know if the date is November 5th or May 11th. Also, I guess DST is applicable for this date. Please confirm Regards, Krishna On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Ishwar <sikris > wrote: Dear All, I was following your discussion. I could not resist but wanted to share a chart that i have of a native currently experiencing vitiligo. Will it be permanent or temporary and what would be the cause? DOB: 11/05/07 TOB: 7:57AM. POB co-ordinates: Long: 122 W 4' 58 " Latitude: 37 N 23' 10 " . -thanks Kris --- On Tue, 9/1/09, tarungarg <tarungarg > wrote: tarungarg <tarungarg > Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa@ .comTuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:18 PM Hi Michal,Interesting revelation there in terms of the weekday and AK. Can you suggest why? What is the principle behind that?Tarunsohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: >> Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Maja,> > Yes, allergy. The allergy is to a particular graha. Take lactose intolerance - would we not be looking for Moon? Why not look at the allergen itself - it is the nimitta for a karmic disfunction. > > I remember another small point. Take the weekday order. The graha who rules the day previous to AK is something the person cannot eat. Mars AK cannot take milk, Moon AK cannot take wheat etc.> > Regards, > Michal> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...>> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 10:56:38 PM > Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Michal, namaste> > I do see a point in first paragraph of your email. Everything I write in my replies, please understand it as a big question, even though there is no question mark. It is loud thinking. > > Because this protein is typical for wheat, we should probably take Sy in consideration after all. But Krishnamurthy gave a very good point there in reply to us: wheat is not causing this problem. I will add one question to this in next reply. > > You were saying: " Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). " You just gave definition how it started. When first symptoms of celiac syndrome appear it is not so easy to give correct diagnosis. It is very shocking, drastic, weight loosing, swelling, elimination of everything one eats without absorption etc. Think of suffering this havoc for almost two months and listening to wrong diagnosys, even cancer at one point. > > This is one of the easiest illnesses she was experiencing so far. All of them were " drastic, shocking " and hard for determining correct diagnosis (or she was very " lucky " with choice of MD every time). I will have to ask what was the illness for which doctors told her she is about to die and they are powerless to help her (that was decade ago). > > That is why I was not giving up adding Rahu and Badhakstan to this story. > > My initial question was: should we just search karaka for autoimmune disease in chart, or stick to symptoms and karaka for area where they appear? I see both in this chart. Am I alone in this?> > Autoimmune diseases are not so simple as they may appear at first. Why there is no standard therapy which can bring to complete healing? " Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. " Only if you don't eat wheat. There is no other way known to allopathic medicine to manage it. This can manage symptomes, but can not cancel the cause. > > Classifying it as autoimmune disease is not a big discovery. It is easy to explain physiological background of what is happening during allergic reaction, but this is not including root cause (we are not all alergic). Problem is to determine which factors unleash this reaction of immune system (I am not aiming on allergen). Bottom line, it is still unknown. Do you notice any similarity with Rahu? > > Warm Regards,> Maja Strbac> > --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> > > >Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >sohamsa@ .com> >Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:41 PM> >> >> > > > >Hare Rama Krsna ||> >> >Dear Maja,> >> >There is protein in milk and peanuts. When we are dealing with the level of the graha should we look at the foods represented by them or microscopic levels they represent? > >> >In this case I am more inclined to look at 8th lord Sun. Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. With this being the case why do you insist on looking at badhakstan? Perhaps the person has other health problems that may be due to this. Nodes on 1/7 axis definitely gives stomach problems but not necessarily celiac disease.> >> >Regards,> >Michal> >> >> > > >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >> >sohamsa@ .com > >Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 12:33:16 PM> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >> > > > >Om Gurave Namah> >> >Dear Michal, namaste > >> >One little detail, it can be relevant: Surya is karaka for wheat, but karaka for proteins is Mangal (I can point you to recent lessons where Sanjay was mentioning this). 6th and 8th lords joined-giving digestion related problems sounds pretty much common sense to me (as additional factor along with lagnesh in 6th. Celiac syndrome is not one and only serious health problem she was experiencing until nowadays), but I still see big Rahu/mangal parivartana " screaming " from badhakstan aspecting Lagna (health) by Rasi dristi. I just can't skip this part. > >> >Warm Regards,> >Maja Strbac> >> >Hari Om> > Tat Sat> >> >--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> > > >> >>> >> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>sohamsa@ .com > >>Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:25 PM> >>> >>> >> >> > >>Hare Rama Krsna ||> >>> >>Dear Maja and Krishna,> >>> >>Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheat> >>> >>So is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL). > >>> >>In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord> >> it can give chronic digestive> >> disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running. > >>> >>Regards,> >>Michal> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PM> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >>> >> >> > >>Dear Maja,> >>> >>> >>Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. > >>> >>> >>I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. > >>> >>> >>This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them). > >>> >>> >>Regards,> >>Krishna> >>> >>> >>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: > >>> >> >>>> >>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>> >>>Dear Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>> >>>(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for " water " also > >>>> >>>For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:> >>>DOB: 25th of April 1975> >>>TOB: 01:44 AM> >>>POB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 > >>>Time zone is 01h East of GMT > >>>> >>>You should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. > >>>> >>>Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?> >>>> >>>Warm > >>> Regards,> >>>> >>>Maja Strbac> >>>> >>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>> >>>> >>>--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote: > >>>> >>>> >>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com > >>>>Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>Dear Maja,> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Another good name :-)> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle. > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Krishna> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Om Gurave Namah > >>>>>> >>>>>Dear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>>>> >>>>>(two wonderful names indeed > >>>>>> >>>>>Your discussion made me think over some examples of " root cause " and manifestation of disease. > >>>>>Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.> >>>>>Asthma - lungs> >>>>>Vitiligo- skin> >>>>>> >>>>>All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). > >>>>>> >>>>>Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this " global epidemic " ), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? > >>>>>> >>>>>I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join> >>>>> me to go through them together? > >>>>>> >>>>>Warm Regards to both, > >>>>>Maja Strbac> >>>>>> >>>>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>Dear Lakshmi,> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Yours is a good name too :-) > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.> >>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: > >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>Nice name! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>There is the seed , or origin,> >>>>>>> and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma,> >>>>>>>it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal " symptoms " . > >>>>>>>Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro,> >>>>>>>to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, > >>>>>>> where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc.> >>>>>>>In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) > >>>>>>>But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.> >>>>>>> Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. > >>>>>>>Hope you understand my point.> >>>>>>>One " symptom " of lupus is a rash on the cheeks.> >>>>>>>One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. > >>>>>>>One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer.> >>>>>>>So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease?> >>>>>>>Not at the skin, it is just one of many " symptoms " . > >>>>>>>Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka .> >>>>>>>Hopefully you understand what i was getting at.> >>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> > >>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Dear Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Did you want to say:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>- It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or > >>>>>>>- It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Please clarify.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna > >>>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>>Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved.> >>>>>>>>When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Many skin problems are the result of " body chemistry " out of wack.> >>>>>>>>Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. > >>>>>>>>Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Bottom line Many of these things overlap> >>>>>>>>( i mean karaka wise)> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it?> >>>>>>>>So I see it all as inter related.> >>>>>>>>See primary issue, and then secondary issue. > >>>>>>>>In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause.> >>>>>>>>Best wishes > >>>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __ > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM> >>>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Dear Sanjay, > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Interesting ly, Dr. Charak in his book on " Essentials of Medical Astrology " puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Comments welcome.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>|| Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>Dear Krishna,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue).> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's> >>>>>>>>> house.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Warm Regards,> >>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Dear Sanjayji, > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>| | Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Jani,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma. > >>>>>>>>>>>In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Warm Regards> >>>>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Birth details of one my relative are follows.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> DOB 14/7/1972> >>>>>>>>>>>> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time: 20:20 Hrs> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> M H Jani> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Natal Chart> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>July 14, 1972 > >>>>>>>>>>>Time: 20:20:00> >>>>>>>>>>>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> >>>>>>>>>>>Place: 72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 " > >>>>>>>>>>> Navsari, India> >>>>>>>>>>>Altitude : 0.00 meters > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha> >>>>>>>>>>>Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left) > >>>>>>>>>>>Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)> >>>>>>>>>>>Nakshatr a: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) > >>>>>>>>>>>Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn)> >>>>>>>>>>>Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunrise: 6:05:28 > >>>>>>>>>>>Sunset: 19:22:37> >>>>>>>>>>>Janma Ghatis: 35.6057> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Ayanamsa : 23-28-21.04 > >>>>>>>>>>>Sidereal Time: 15:11:56> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna 3 Ge Ge > >>>>>>>>>>>Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha 1 Le Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push 4 Cn Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre 3 Cn Aq > >>>>>>>>>>>Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool 3 Sg Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig 1 Ta Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' > >>>>>>>>>>> 15.19 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha 2 Cp Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna 4 Cn Cn > >>>>>>>>>>>Maandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi 3 Ar > >>>>>>>>>>> Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Bhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha 3 Vi Aq > >>>>>>>>>>>Ghati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Varnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar > >>>>>>>>>>>Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi 4 Ar Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Pranapad a Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast 1 Vi Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast 2 Vi Ta > >>>>>>>>>>>Bhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar 4 Ar> >>>>>>>>>>> Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu 3 Sc Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Vyatipat a 17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha 2 Le Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Parivesh a 17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata 4 Aq Pi > >>>>>>>>>>>Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig 3 Ge Li > >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav 1 Cp Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Yama Ghantaka > >>>>>>>>>>> 28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha 3 Aq Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Prana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva 2 Pi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha 3 Le Li > >>>>>>>>>>>Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha 2 Vi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>TriSphut a 8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>ChatusSp huta 7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha 4 Vi Pi > >>>>>>>>>>>PanchaSp huta 10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V3 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Le> >>>>>>>>>>>V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V7 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar > >>>>>>>>>>>V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V9 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Vi > >>>>>>>>>>>V11 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Le> >>>>>>>>>>>V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta > >>>>>>>>>>>Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit 4 Ta Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>| |Md Gk |Ve Sa > >>>>>>>>>>> |Su GL |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | | > >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | > >>>>>>>>>>> | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | > >>>>>>>>>>>| | |Ma Me |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |Ke |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |> >>>>>>>>>>> | > >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- | Rasi |----------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| As Ra | > >>>>>>>>>>> |Mo |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | > >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | > >>>>>>>>>>> | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- | > >>>>>>>>>>>| JuR | | |HL AL |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | > >>>>>>>>>>> | | > >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |As |Su JuR | > >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |Gk |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | | > >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| Me HL | |Sa Ke |> >>>>>>>>>>>| GL | | | > >>>>>>>>>>>| > >>>>>>>>>>> | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | Navamsa | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- | |----------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| Ra > >>>>>>>>>>> | D-9 |Mo Ve | > >>>>>>>>>>>| | |AL |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | > >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| |Ma | |Md |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | | > >>>>>>>>>>>|> >>>>>>>>>>> | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Vimsotta ri Dasa ():> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 > >>>>>>>>>>> Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 > >>>>>>>>>>>Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 > >>>>>>>>>>> Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 > >>>>>>>>>>> Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 > >>>>>>>>>>>Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 > >>>>>>>>>>> Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 > >>>>>>>>>>>Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 > >>>>>>>>>>>Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 > >>>>>>>>>>> Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun 2025-04-24> >>>>>>>>>>> Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 > >>>>>>>>>>>Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 > >>>>>>>>>>> Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 > >>>>>>>>>>>Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 > >>>>>>>>>>> Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 > >>>>>>>>>>>Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 > >>>>>>>>>>> Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 > >>>>>>>>>>>Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 2082-05-04 > >>>>>>>>>>> Moon 2082-09-13 Mars 2083-04-10 Rah 2083-09-10 > >>>>>>>>>>> Jup 2084-09-28 Sat 2085-09-03 Merc 2086-10-13 > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> > >>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >> Need mail bonding? 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Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Namaste, It is in the lower part of the body with a little bit in the upper part. What remedies would you suggest for mercury and venus. The problem was not from birth but after a year or so. -regards kris--- On Tue, 9/22/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Vitiligo Problemsohamsa Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Kris, Thanks for the clarification. Are the patches more on the lower part of the body? I feel that the main reason for the problem is afflictions to both Mercury & Venus: - Mercury is in Rasi Sandhi and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu - Venus is in its debilitation sign and is in papa kartari and aspected by Mars. Venus also occupies 11H of skin problems - There is parivartana yoga between Mercury and Venus The child is born during Sun-Jup period. Sun is with Mercury in Rasi and Jupiter is in the nakshatra of Mercury. Hence, it is possible that the problem was there by birth or it could have started during Sun-Sat period. The child is going through Sun-Mer period now which is a bad phase for this problem. However, the good news is that Mercury is vargottama and it is not combust. Also, Venus is far away from its deep debilitation point. Hence, possibly this child could be cured from the condition. There is a need to strengthen Mercury and Venus. Regards, Krishna On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Ishwar <sikris > wrote: Namaste The date is november 5th, 2007. West of GMT -thanks kris --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Vitiligo Problemsohamsa@ .comMonday, September 14, 2009, 8:34 AM Hi, Pls. let me know if the date is November 5th or May 11th. Also, I guess DST is applicable for this date. Please confirm Regards, Krishna On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Ishwar <sikris > wrote: Dear All, I was following your discussion. I could not resist but wanted to share a chart that i have of a native currently experiencing vitiligo. Will it be permanent or temporary and what would be the cause? DOB: 11/05/07 TOB: 7:57AM. POB co-ordinates: Long: 122 W 4' 58" Latitude: 37 N 23' 10". -thanks Kris --- On Tue, 9/1/09, tarungarg <tarungarg > wrote: tarungarg <tarungarg > Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comTuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:18 PM Hi Michal,Interesting revelation there in terms of the weekday and AK. Can you suggest why? What is the principle behind that?Tarunsohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Maja,> > Yes, allergy. The allergy is to a particular graha. Take lactose intolerance - would we not be looking for Moon? Why not look at the allergen itself - it is the nimitta for a karmic disfunction.> > I remember another small point. Take the weekday order. The graha who rules the day previous to AK is something the person cannot eat. Mars AK cannot take milk, Moon AK cannot take wheat etc.> > Regards,> Michal> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...>> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 10:56:38 PM> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Michal, namaste> > I do see a point in first paragraph of your email. Everything I write in my replies, please understand it as a big question, even though there is no question mark. It is loud thinking. > > Because this protein is typical for wheat, we should probably take Sy in consideration after all. But Krishnamurthy gave a very good point there in reply to us: wheat is not causing this problem. I will add one question to this in next reply.> > You were saying: "Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu)." You just gave definition how it started. When first symptoms of celiac syndrome appear it is not so easy to give correct diagnosis. It is very shocking, drastic, weight loosing, swelling, elimination of everything one eats without absorption etc. Think of suffering this havoc for almost two months and listening to wrong diagnosys, even cancer at one point. > > This is one of the easiest illnesses she was experiencing so far. All of them were "drastic, shocking" and hard for determining correct diagnosis (or she was very "lucky" with choice of MD every time). I will have to ask what was the illness for which doctors told her she is about to die and they are powerless to help her (that was decade ago). > > That is why I was not giving up adding Rahu and Badhakstan to this story. > > My initial question was: should we just search karaka for autoimmune disease in chart, or stick to symptoms and karaka for area where they appear? I see both in this chart. Am I alone in this?> > Autoimmune diseases are not so simple as they may appear at first. Why there is no standard therapy which can bring to complete healing? "Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. " Only if you don't eat wheat. There is no other way known to allopathic medicine to manage it. This can manage symptomes, but can not cancel the cause.> > Classifying it as autoimmune disease is not a big discovery. It is easy to explain physiological background of what is happening during allergic reaction, but this is not including root cause (we are not all alergic). Problem is to determine which factors unleash this reaction of immune system (I am not aiming on allergen). Bottom line, it is still unknown. Do you notice any similarity with Rahu?> > Warm Regards,> Maja Strbac> > --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> > > >Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >sohamsa@ .com> >Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:41 PM> >> >> > > > >Hare Rama Krsna ||> >> >Dear Maja,> >> >There is protein in milk and peanuts. When we are dealing with the level of the graha should we look at the foods represented by them or microscopic levels they represent?> >> >In this case I am more inclined to look at 8th lord Sun. Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. With this being the case why do you insist on looking at badhakstan? Perhaps the person has other health problems that may be due to this. Nodes on 1/7 axis definitely gives stomach problems but not necessarily celiac disease.> >> >Regards,> >Michal> >> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >> >sohamsa@ .com> >Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 12:33:16 PM> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >> > > > >Om Gurave Namah> >> >Dear Michal, namaste> >> >One little detail, it can be relevant: Surya is karaka for wheat, but karaka for proteins is Mangal (I can point you to recent lessons where Sanjay was mentioning this). 6th and 8th lords joined-giving digestion related problems sounds pretty much common sense to me (as additional factor along with lagnesh in 6th. Celiac syndrome is not one and only serious health problem she was experiencing until nowadays), but I still see big Rahu/mangal parivartana "screaming" from badhakstan aspecting Lagna (health) by Rasi dristi. I just can't skip this part.> >> >Warm Regards,> >Maja Strbac> >> >Hari Om> > Tat Sat> >> >--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> >> >> >>> >> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:25 PM> >>> >>> >> >> > >>Hare Rama Krsna ||> >>> >>Dear Maja and Krishna,> >>> >>Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheat> >>> >>So is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL).> >>> >>In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord> >> it can give chronic digestive> >> disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.> >>> >>Regards,> >>Michal> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PM> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>> >> >> > >>Dear Maja,> >>> >>> >>Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder.> >>> >>> >>I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well.> >>> >>> >>This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).> >>> >>> >>Regards,> >>Krishna> >>> >>> >>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>> >> >>>> >>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>> >>>Dear Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>> >>>(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also > >>>> >>>For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:> >>>DOB: 25th of April 1975> >>>TOB: 01:44 AM> >>>POB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 > >>>Time zone is 01h East of GMT> >>>> >>>You should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. > >>>> >>>Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?> >>>> >>>Warm> >>> Regards,> >>>> >>>Maja Strbac> >>>> >>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>> >>>> >>>--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>> >>>> >>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>Dear Maja,> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Another good name :-)> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Krishna> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>>>> >>>>>Dear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>>>> >>>>>(two wonderful names indeed > >>>>>> >>>>>Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. > >>>>>Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.> >>>>>Asthma - lungs> >>>>>Vitiligo- skin> >>>>>> >>>>>All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). > >>>>>> >>>>>Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart?> >>>>>> >>>>>I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join> >>>>> me to go through them together? > >>>>>> >>>>>Warm Regards to both,> >>>>>Maja Strbac> >>>>>> >>>>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>Dear Lakshmi,> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Yours is a good name too :-)> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>Nice name!> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>There is the seed , or origin,> >>>>>>> and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma,> >>>>>>>it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms".> >>>>>>>Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro,> >>>>>>>to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are,> >>>>>>> where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc.> >>>>>>>In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof)> >>>>>>>But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.> >>>>>>> Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body.> >>>>>>>Hope you understand my point.> >>>>>>>One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks.> >>>>>>>One symptom of chicken pox is a rash.> >>>>>>>One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer.> >>>>>>>So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease?> >>>>>>>Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms".> >>>>>>>Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka .> >>>>>>>Hopefully you understand what i was getting at.> >>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Dear Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Did you want to say:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>- It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or> >>>>>>>- It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Please clarify.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>>Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved.> >>>>>>>>When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack.> >>>>>>>>Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues.> >>>>>>>>Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Bottom line Many of these things overlap> >>>>>>>>( i mean karaka wise)> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it?> >>>>>>>>So I see it all as inter related.> >>>>>>>>See primary issue, and then secondary issue.> >>>>>>>>In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause.> >>>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM> >>>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Dear Sanjay, > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Interesting ly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Comments welcome.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>|| Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>Dear Krishna,> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue).> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's> >>>>>>>>> house.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Warm Regards,> >>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Dear Sanjayji, > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this?> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>| | Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Jani,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.> >>>>>>>>>>>In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Warm Regards> >>>>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Birth details of one my relative are follows.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> DOB 14/7/1972> >>>>>>>>>>>> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time: 20:20 Hrs> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> M H Jani> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Natal Chart> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>July 14, 1972> >>>>>>>>>>>Time: 20:20:00> >>>>>>>>>>>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> >>>>>>>>>>>Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00"> >>>>>>>>>>> Navsari, India> >>>>>>>>>>>Altitude : 0.00 meters> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha> >>>>>>>>>>>Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)> >>>>>>>>>>>Nakshatr a: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn)> >>>>>>>>>>>Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunrise: 6:05:28> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunset: 19:22:37> >>>>>>>>>>>Janma Ghatis: 35.6057> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Ayanamsa : 23-28-21.04> >>>>>>>>>>>Sidereal Time: 15:11:56> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58'> >>>>>>>>>>> 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Maandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar > >>>>>>>>>>> Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Bhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Ghati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Varnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Pranapad a Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Bhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar> >>>>>>>>>>> Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Vyatipat a 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Parivesh a 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Yama Ghantaka > >>>>>>>>>>> 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Prana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>TriSphut a 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>ChatusSp huta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" UPha 4 Vi Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>PanchaSp huta 10 Ge 25' 48.50" Ardr 2 Ge Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V3 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li Le> >>>>>>>>>>>V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V7 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11" Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V9 14 Li 54' 19.11" Swat 3 Li Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>V11 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Aq 54' 19.11" Sata 3 Aq Le> >>>>>>>>>>>V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11" Rohi 2 Ta Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81" Krit 4 Ta Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>| |Md Gk |Ve Sa > >>>>>>>>>>> |Su GL |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | > >>>>>>>>>>> | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |Ma Me |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |Ke |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |> >>>>>>>>>>> |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- | Rasi |----------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| As Ra | > >>>>>>>>>>> |Mo |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | > >>>>>>>>>>> | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| JuR | | |HL AL |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | > >>>>>>>>>>> | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |As |Su JuR |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |Gk |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| Me HL | |Sa Ke |> >>>>>>>>>>>| GL | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| > >>>>>>>>>>> | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | Navamsa | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- | |----------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| Ra > >>>>>>>>>>> | D-9 |Mo Ve |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | |AL |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- +-------- --------- ------+-- --------- |> >>>>>>>>>>>| |Ma | |Md |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>|> >>>>>>>>>>> | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Vimsotta ri Dasa ():> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Ven Ven 1967-10-10 Sun 1971-02-05 Moon 1972-02-05 > >>>>>>>>>>> Mars 1973-10-09 Rah 1974-12-08 Jup 1977-12-08 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sat 1980-08-08 Merc 1983-10-10 Ket 1986-08-09 > >>>>>>>>>>>Sun Sun 1987-10-10 Moon 1988-01-25 Mars 1988-07-27 > >>>>>>>>>>> Rah 1988-12-02 Jup 1989-10-27 Sat 1990-08-15 > >>>>>>>>>>> Merc 1991-07-28 Ket 1992-05-31 Ven 1992-10-09 > >>>>>>>>>>>Moon Moon 1993-10-09 Mars 1994-08-09 Rah 1995-03-07 > >>>>>>>>>>> Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1998-01-07 Merc 1999-08-09 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ket 2001-01-06 Ven 2001-08-09 Sun 2003-04-06 > >>>>>>>>>>>Mars Mars 2003-10-10 Rah 2004-03-03 Jup 2005-03-22 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sat 2006-02-26 Merc 2007-04-06 Ket 2008-04-03 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ven 2008-09-02 Sun 2009-11-03 Moon 2010-03-07 > >>>>>>>>>>>Rah Rah 2010-10-10 Jup 2013-06-19 Sat 2015-11-15 > >>>>>>>>>>> Merc 2018-09-21 Ket 2021-04-06 Ven 2022-04-25 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun 2025-04-24> >>>>>>>>>>> Moon 2026-03-19 Mars 2027-09-22 > >>>>>>>>>>>Jup Jup 2028-10-09 Sat 2030-11-27 Merc 2033-06-07 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ket 2035-09-16 Ven 2036-08-21 Sun 2039-04-19 > >>>>>>>>>>> Moon 2040-02-06 Mars 2041-06-07 Rah 2042-05-13 > >>>>>>>>>>>Sat Sat 2044-10-09 Merc 2047-10-13 Ket 2050-06-20 > >>>>>>>>>>> Ven 2051-07-31 Sun 2054-10-01 Moon 2055-09-13 > >>>>>>>>>>> Mars 2057-04-09 Rah 2058-05-20 Jup 2061-03-25 > >>>>>>>>>>>Merc Merc 2063-10-10 Ket 2066-03-04 Ven 2067-03-02 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun 2070-01-01 Moon 2070-11-09 Mars 2072-04-06 > >>>>>>>>>>> Rah 2073-04-03 Jup 2075-10-25 Sat 2078-01-28 > >>>>>>>>>>>Ket Ket 2080-10-10 Ven 2081-03-04 Sun 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Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Dear Krishna, Is this a good parivartana yoga, considering that the 11 th and 12th house lords have exchanged places. Please advice. If not, will the child have to follow some remedies throughout her life. -thanks Kris--- On Tue, 9/22/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Vitiligo Problemsohamsa Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Kris, Thanks for the clarification. Are the patches more on the lower part of the body? I feel that the main reason for the problem is afflictions to both Mercury & Venus: - Mercury is in Rasi Sandhi and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu - Venus is in its debilitation sign and is in papa kartari and aspected by Mars. Venus also occupies 11H of skin problems - There is parivartana yoga between Mercury and Venus The child is born during Sun-Jup period. Sun is with Mercury in Rasi and Jupiter is in the nakshatra of Mercury. Hence, it is possible that the problem was there by birth or it could have started during Sun-Sat period. The child is going through Sun-Mer period now which is a bad phase for this problem. However, the good news is that Mercury is vargottama and it is not combust. Also, Venus is far away from its deep debilitation point. Hence, possibly this child could be cured from the condition. There is a need to strengthen Mercury and Venus. Regards, Krishna On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Ishwar <sikris > wrote: Namaste The date is november 5th, 2007. West of GMT -thanks kris --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Vitiligo Problemsohamsa@ .comMonday, September 14, 2009, 8:34 AM Hi, Pls. let me know if the date is November 5th or May 11th. Also, I guess DST is applicable for this date. Please confirm Regards, Krishna On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Ishwar <sikris > wrote: Dear All, I was following your discussion. I could not resist but wanted to share a chart that i have of a native currently experiencing vitiligo. Will it be permanent or temporary and what would be the cause? DOB: 11/05/07 TOB: 7:57AM. POB co-ordinates: Long: 122 W 4' 58" Latitude: 37 N 23' 10". -thanks Kris --- On Tue, 9/1/09, tarungarg <tarungarg > wrote: tarungarg <tarungarg > Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problemsohamsa@ .comTuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:18 PM Hi Michal,Interesting revelation there in terms of the weekday and AK. Can you suggest why? What is the principle behind that?Tarunsohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Maja,> > Yes, allergy. The allergy is to a particular graha. Take lactose intolerance - would we not be looking for Moon? Why not look at the allergen itself - it is the nimitta for a karmic disfunction.> > I remember another small point. Take the weekday order. The graha who rules the day previous to AK is something the person cannot eat. Mars AK cannot take milk, Moon AK cannot take wheat etc.> > Regards,> Michal> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...>> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 10:56:38 PM> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Michal, namaste> > I do see a point in first paragraph of your email. Everything I write in my replies, please understand it as a big question, even though there is no question mark. It is loud thinking. > > Because this protein is typical for wheat, we should probably take Sy in consideration after all. But Krishnamurthy gave a very good point there in reply to us: wheat is not causing this problem. I will add one question to this in next reply.> > You were saying: "Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu)." You just gave definition how it started. When first symptoms of celiac syndrome appear it is not so easy to give correct diagnosis. It is very shocking, drastic, weight loosing, swelling, elimination of everything one eats without absorption etc. Think of suffering this havoc for almost two months and listening to wrong diagnosys, even cancer at one point. > > This is one of the easiest illnesses she was experiencing so far. All of them were "drastic, shocking" and hard for determining correct diagnosis (or she was very "lucky" with choice of MD every time). I will have to ask what was the illness for which doctors told her she is about to die and they are powerless to help her (that was decade ago). > > That is why I was not giving up adding Rahu and Badhakstan to this story. > > My initial question was: should we just search karaka for autoimmune disease in chart, or stick to symptoms and karaka for area where they appear? I see both in this chart. Am I alone in this?> > Autoimmune diseases are not so simple as they may appear at first. Why there is no standard therapy which can bring to complete healing? "Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. " Only if you don't eat wheat. There is no other way known to allopathic medicine to manage it. This can manage symptomes, but can not cancel the cause.> > Classifying it as autoimmune disease is not a big discovery. It is easy to explain physiological background of what is happening during allergic reaction, but this is not including root cause (we are not all alergic). Problem is to determine which factors unleash this reaction of immune system (I am not aiming on allergen). Bottom line, it is still unknown. Do you notice any similarity with Rahu?> > Warm Regards,> Maja Strbac> > --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> > > >Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >sohamsa@ .com> >Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:41 PM> >> >> > > > >Hare Rama Krsna ||> >> >Dear Maja,> >> >There is protein in milk and peanuts. When we are dealing with the level of the graha should we look at the foods represented by them or microscopic levels they represent?> >> >In this case I am more inclined to look at 8th lord Sun. Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. With this being the case why do you insist on looking at badhakstan? Perhaps the person has other health problems that may be due to this. Nodes on 1/7 axis definitely gives stomach problems but not necessarily celiac disease.> >> >Regards,> >Michal> >> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >> >sohamsa@ .com> >Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 12:33:16 PM> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >> > > > >Om Gurave Namah> >> >Dear Michal, namaste> >> >One little detail, it can be relevant: Surya is karaka for wheat, but karaka for proteins is Mangal (I can point you to recent lessons where Sanjay was mentioning this). 6th and 8th lords joined-giving digestion related problems sounds pretty much common sense to me (as additional factor along with lagnesh in 6th. Celiac syndrome is not one and only serious health problem she was experiencing until nowadays), but I still see big Rahu/mangal parivartana "screaming" from badhakstan aspecting Lagna (health) by Rasi dristi. I just can't skip this part.> >> >Warm Regards,> >Maja Strbac> >> >Hari Om> > Tat Sat> >> >--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> >> >> >>> >> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:25 PM> >>> >>> >> >> > >>Hare Rama Krsna ||> >>> >>Dear Maja and Krishna,> >>> >>Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheat> >>> >>So is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL).> >>> >>In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord> >> it can give chronic digestive> >> disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running.> >>> >>Regards,> >>Michal> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PM> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>> >> >> > >>Dear Maja,> >>> >>> >>Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder.> >>> >>> >>I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well.> >>> >>> >>This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them).> >>> >>> >>Regards,> >>Krishna> >>> >>> >>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>> >> >>>> >>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>> >>>Dear Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>> >>>(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for "water" also > >>>> >>>For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:> >>>DOB: 25th of April 1975> >>>TOB: 01:44 AM> >>>POB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 > >>>Time zone is 01h East of GMT> >>>> >>>You should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. > >>>> >>>Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?> >>>> >>>Warm> >>> Regards,> >>>> >>>Maja Strbac> >>>> >>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>> >>>> >>>--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>> >>>> >>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>Dear Maja,> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Another good name :-)> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Krishna> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>>>> >>>>>Dear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>>>> >>>>>(two wonderful names indeed > >>>>>> >>>>>Your discussion made me think over some examples of "root cause" and manifestation of disease. > >>>>>Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.> >>>>>Asthma - lungs> >>>>>Vitiligo- skin> >>>>>> >>>>>All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). > >>>>>> >>>>>Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this "global epidemic"), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart?> >>>>>> >>>>>I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join> >>>>> me to go through them together? > >>>>>> >>>>>Warm Regards to both,> >>>>>Maja Strbac> >>>>>> >>>>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>Dear Lakshmi,> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Yours is a good name too :-)> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>Nice name!> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>There is the seed , or origin,> >>>>>>> and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma,> >>>>>>>it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal "symptoms".> >>>>>>>Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro,> >>>>>>>to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are,> >>>>>>> where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc.> >>>>>>>In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof)> >>>>>>>But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.> >>>>>>> Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body.> >>>>>>>Hope you understand my point.> >>>>>>>One "symptom" of lupus is a rash on the cheeks.> >>>>>>>One symptom of chicken pox is a rash.> >>>>>>>One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer.> >>>>>>>So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease?> >>>>>>>Not at the skin, it is just one of many "symptoms".> >>>>>>>Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka .> >>>>>>>Hopefully you understand what i was getting at.> >>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Dear Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Did you want to say:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>- It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or> >>>>>>>- It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Please clarify.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>>Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved.> >>>>>>>>When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Many skin problems are the result of "body chemistry" out of wack.> >>>>>>>>Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues.> >>>>>>>>Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Bottom line Many of these things overlap> >>>>>>>>( i mean karaka wise)> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it?> >>>>>>>>So I see it all as inter related.> >>>>>>>>See primary issue, and then secondary issue.> >>>>>>>>In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause.> >>>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM> >>>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Dear Sanjay, > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Interesting ly, Dr. Charak in his book on "Essentials of Medical Astrology" puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Comments welcome.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>|| Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>Dear Krishna,> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue).> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's> >>>>>>>>> house.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In another sense Vayu tattva is "Sense object" for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Warm Regards,> >>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Dear Sanjayji, > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this?> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>| | Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Jani,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma.> >>>>>>>>>>>In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Warm Regards> >>>>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Birth details of one my relative are follows.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> DOB 14/7/1972> >>>>>>>>>>>> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time: 20:20 Hrs> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice.> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> M H Jani> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Natal Chart> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>July 14, 1972> >>>>>>>>>>>Time: 20:20:00> >>>>>>>>>>>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> >>>>>>>>>>>Place: 72 E 55' 00", 20 N 51' 00"> >>>>>>>>>>> Navsari, India> >>>>>>>>>>>Altitude : 0.00 meters> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha> >>>>>>>>>>>Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)> >>>>>>>>>>>Nakshatr a: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn)> >>>>>>>>>>>Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunrise: 6:05:28> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunset: 19:22:37> >>>>>>>>>>>Janma Ghatis: 35.6057> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Ayanamsa : 23-28-21.04> >>>>>>>>>>>Sidereal Time: 15:11:56> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11" Srav 2 Cp Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46" Puna 3 Ge Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26" PPha 1 Le Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95" Push 4 Cn Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10" Asre 3 Cn Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92" Mool 3 Sg Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28" Mrig 1 Ta Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58'> >>>>>>>>>>> 15.19" Rohi 4 Ta Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08" USha 2 Cp Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08" Puna 4 Cn Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Maandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18" Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59" Aswi 3 Ar > >>>>>>>>>>> Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Bhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21" Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28" UPha 3 Vi Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Ghati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48" Ardr 3 Ge Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Varnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11" Ardr 3 Ge Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24" Aswi 4 Ar Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Pranapad a Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80" Hast 1 Vi Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26" Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Bhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17" Bhar 4 Ar> >>>>>>>>>>> Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46" Anu 3 Sc Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Vyatipat a 17 Le 53' 43.54" PPha 2 Le Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Parivesh a 17 Aq 53' 43.54" Sata 4 Aq Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46" Mrig 2 Ta Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04" Mrig 3 Ge Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34" Srav 1 Cp Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48" Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Yama Ghantaka > >>>>>>>>>>> 28 Aq 41' 23.20" PBha 3 Aq Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Prana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14" Reva 2 Pi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71" Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61" PPha 3 Le Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45" UPha 2 Vi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>TriSphut a 8 Ge 51' 28.97" Ardr 1 Ge Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>ChatusSp huta 7 Vi 37' 45.43" 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Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Dear Kris,Parivartana with a dusthana lord is called dainya parivartana. It is not considered to be good. Please find out the remedies from some one else as I am not good at it. Regards,KrishnaOn Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Ishwar <sikris wrote: Dear Krishna, Is this a good parivartana yoga, considering that the 11 th and 12th house lords have exchanged places. Please advice. If not, will the child have to follow some remedies throughout her life. -thanks Kris--- On Tue, 9/22/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58Re: Vitiligo Problem sohamsa Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Kris, Thanks for the clarification. Are the patches more on the lower part of the body? I feel that the main reason for the problem is afflictions to both Mercury & Venus: - Mercury is in Rasi Sandhi and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu - Venus is in its debilitation sign and is in papa kartari and aspected by Mars. Venus also occupies 11H of skin problems - There is parivartana yoga between Mercury and Venus The child is born during Sun-Jup period. Sun is with Mercury in Rasi and Jupiter is in the nakshatra of Mercury. Hence, it is possible that the problem was there by birth or it could have started during Sun-Sat period. The child is going through Sun-Mer period now which is a bad phase for this problem. However, the good news is that Mercury is vargottama and it is not combust. Also, Venus is far away from its deep debilitation point. Hence, possibly this child could be cured from the condition. There is a need to strengthen Mercury and Venus. Regards, Krishna On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Ishwar <sikris > wrote: Namaste The date is november 5th, 2007. West of GMT -thanks kris --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Vitiligo Problem sohamsa@ .comMonday, September 14, 2009, 8:34 AM Hi, Pls. let me know if the date is November 5th or May 11th. Also, I guess DST is applicable for this date. Please confirm Regards, Krishna On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Ishwar <sikris > wrote: Dear All, I was following your discussion. I could not resist but wanted to share a chart that i have of a native currently experiencing vitiligo. Will it be permanent or temporary and what would be the cause? DOB: 11/05/07 TOB: 7:57AM. POB co-ordinates: Long: 122 W 4' 58 " Latitude: 37 N 23' 10 " . -thanks Kris --- On Tue, 9/1/09, tarungarg <tarungarg > wrote: tarungarg <tarungarg > Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem sohamsa@ .comTuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:18 PM Hi Michal,Interesting revelation there in terms of the weekday and AK. Can you suggest why? What is the principle behind that?Tarunsohamsa@ .com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@ ...> wrote: >> Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Maja,> > Yes, allergy. The allergy is to a particular graha. Take lactose intolerance - would we not be looking for Moon? Why not look at the allergen itself - it is the nimitta for a karmic disfunction. > > I remember another small point. Take the weekday order. The graha who rules the day previous to AK is something the person cannot eat. Mars AK cannot take milk, Moon AK cannot take wheat etc.> > Regards, > Michal> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...>> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 10:56:38 PM > Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Michal, namaste> > I do see a point in first paragraph of your email. Everything I write in my replies, please understand it as a big question, even though there is no question mark. It is loud thinking. > > Because this protein is typical for wheat, we should probably take Sy in consideration after all. But Krishnamurthy gave a very good point there in reply to us: wheat is not causing this problem. I will add one question to this in next reply. > > You were saying: " Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). " You just gave definition how it started. When first symptoms of celiac syndrome appear it is not so easy to give correct diagnosis. It is very shocking, drastic, weight loosing, swelling, elimination of everything one eats without absorption etc. Think of suffering this havoc for almost two months and listening to wrong diagnosys, even cancer at one point. > > This is one of the easiest illnesses she was experiencing so far. All of them were " drastic, shocking " and hard for determining correct diagnosis (or she was very " lucky " with choice of MD every time). I will have to ask what was the illness for which doctors told her she is about to die and they are powerless to help her (that was decade ago). > > That is why I was not giving up adding Rahu and Badhakstan to this story. > > My initial question was: should we just search karaka for autoimmune disease in chart, or stick to symptoms and karaka for area where they appear? I see both in this chart. Am I alone in this?> > Autoimmune diseases are not so simple as they may appear at first. Why there is no standard therapy which can bring to complete healing? " Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. " Only if you don't eat wheat. There is no other way known to allopathic medicine to manage it. This can manage symptomes, but can not cancel the cause. > > Classifying it as autoimmune disease is not a big discovery. It is easy to explain physiological background of what is happening during allergic reaction, but this is not including root cause (we are not all alergic). Problem is to determine which factors unleash this reaction of immune system (I am not aiming on allergen). Bottom line, it is still unknown. Do you notice any similarity with Rahu? > > Warm Regards,> Maja Strbac> > --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> > > >Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >sohamsa@ .com> >Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:41 PM> >> >> > > > >Hare Rama Krsna ||> >> >Dear Maja,> >> >There is protein in milk and peanuts. When we are dealing with the level of the graha should we look at the foods represented by them or microscopic levels they represent? > >> >In this case I am more inclined to look at 8th lord Sun. Badhakesh is for unseen problems that are drastic and shocking (like Rahu). Celiac disease is quite standard, easily understood (diagnosed), and easily managed. With this being the case why do you insist on looking at badhakstan? Perhaps the person has other health problems that may be due to this. Nodes on 1/7 axis definitely gives stomach problems but not necessarily celiac disease.> >> >Regards,> >Michal> >> >> > > >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >> >sohamsa@ .com > >Tuesday, 1 September, 2009 12:33:16 PM> >Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >> > > > >Om Gurave Namah> >> >Dear Michal, namaste > >> >One little detail, it can be relevant: Surya is karaka for wheat, but karaka for proteins is Mangal (I can point you to recent lessons where Sanjay was mentioning this). 6th and 8th lords joined-giving digestion related problems sounds pretty much common sense to me (as additional factor along with lagnesh in 6th. Celiac syndrome is not one and only serious health problem she was experiencing until nowadays), but I still see big Rahu/mangal parivartana " screaming " from badhakstan aspecting Lagna (health) by Rasi dristi. I just can't skip this part. > >> >Warm Regards,> >Maja Strbac> >> >Hari Om> > Tat Sat> >> >--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal> wrote:> > > >> >>> >> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal>> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>sohamsa@ .com > >>Monday, August 31, 2009, 3:25 PM> >>> >>> >> >> > >>Hare Rama Krsna ||> >>> >>Dear Maja and Krishna,> >>> >>Coeliac disease is caused by a reaction to gliadin, a gluten protein found in wheat> >>> >>So is Sun not the culprit as Sun is karaka for wheat? Something external the body cannot digest - we have to look at 6th house. Lagnesh is in the 6th house for a start and it is Saturn. (Interestingly this will cause the AL to fall in the 11th house and thus Lagnesh is in the 8th from AL). > >>> >>In the chart provided Sun is 8th lord. When the 8th lord has anything to do with 6th house or lord> >> it can give chronic digestive> >> disease. Here Sun is conjoined 6th lord Mercury and in the 8th house from Moon - confirming the health issue. Narayana dasa of Leo was just running. > >>> >>Regards,> >>Michal> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>sohamsa@ .com> >>Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:42:46 PM> >>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >>> >> >> > >>Dear Maja,> >>> >>> >>Frankly, when I first opened the chart, I too looked at Venus, as it is in Rahu-Ketu axis and also aspected by Marsand in papakartari. This could have its own ramifications at the appropriate time and may not be relevant to Celiac Disorder. > >>> >>> >>I googled to get some details on Celiac disorder. From what I understand, I don't think it is a problem related to Mars, though it is a digestive disorder. The small intestine is affected and is unable to absorb some of the nutrients. Since it is the small intestine, one should look at the 6th house and the sign Virgo. In this case, the lord of both 6th house and Virgo both is Mercury. Mercury is combust and also disposits Saturn. Mercury and Rahu have a common dispositor and Saturn is in the nakshatra of Rahu, one can assume that rahu affects Mercury as well. The problem is on the lining of the small intestine which has some functions akin to skin also. That too calls for a look at Mercury as well. > >>> >>> >>This is not a conclusion but my preliminary line of analysis. I need to look at more charts (thanks to Tarun for providing more charts and I am yet to take a look at them). > >>> >>> >>Regards,> >>Krishna> >>> >>> >>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: > >>> >> >>>> >>>Om Gurave Namah> >>>> >>>Dear Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>> >>>(Heh, got me! I forgot origin of my name for a moment. This is Hebrew for " water " also > >>>> >>>For a start, here is Celiac disorder native:> >>>DOB: 25th of April 1975> >>>TOB: 01:44 AM> >>>POB: 20 E 30, 44 N 50 > >>>Time zone is 01h East of GMT > >>>> >>>You should get Makara lagna in Rasi chart and Kark lagna in Navamsa. Now tell me honestly, would you ever say that this native is suffering serious problems with digestion after quick peek on her chart (native is female)? I would never guess without knowing it in advance. I would probably bet on Sukra related issues (ovaries for example) because it is joined with badhakesh. > >>>> >>>Yet true, Rahu is in Badhakstan, so this could include a.i. disorders. In parivartana with Mangal... would you take this Mangal in consideration for agni7digestion?> >>>> >>>Warm > >>> Regards,> >>>> >>>Maja Strbac> >>>> >>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>> >>>> >>>--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote: > >>>> >>>> >>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com > >>>>Sunday, August 30, 2009, 7:46 AM> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>>Dear Maja,> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Another good name :-)> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You are correct that in case of autoimmune diseases the nodes play an important role. In fact, I have already documented that Rahu plays an important role in Juvenile Diabetes which is again caused due to autoimmune reaction. > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Though I don't have much exposure on all the three diseases that you have mentioned, it would be interesting to study them from autoimmune angle. > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Krishna> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Om Gurave Namah > >>>>>> >>>>>Dear Lakshmi and Krishnamurthy, namaste> >>>>>> >>>>>(two wonderful names indeed > >>>>>> >>>>>Your discussion made me think over some examples of " root cause " and manifestation of disease. > >>>>>Celiac syndrome (gluten allergy)-main symptom is located on intestine.> >>>>>Asthma - lungs> >>>>>Vitiligo- skin> >>>>>> >>>>>All above mentioned belongs to group of autoimmune diseases (most of opinions at least agree on this being main factor). Last info I got related to this type of diseases was that nodes should signify this disorder (what do you think?). > >>>>>> >>>>>Number and variety of autoimmune disorders is growing more and more each day (there is opinion that vaccines are root cause for this " global epidemic " ), so my question is: how to make difference between root cause and obvious symptom in chart? > >>>>>> >>>>>I have chart examples for all 3 mentioned. Would you join> >>>>> me to go through them together? > >>>>>> >>>>>Warm Regards to both, > >>>>>Maja Strbac> >>>>>> >>>>>Hari Om Tat Sat> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> wrote:> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009, 9:51 PM> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>Dear Lakshmi,> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Yours is a good name too :-) > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for taking time to explain and clarify my question.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>OK, I understand your view point now. Your point is - Venus is the primary cause for leucoderma. And, you also agree that we should look beyond Venus to confirm the disease. Fair enough. Thanks for expressing your views. My logic was that unless the dhatu (Mercury) is weak/afflicted, it may not carry a disease related to it even if other related planets are afflicted. Of course, skin could have multiple types of diseases depending upon what all planets are involved. But, if it is a skin problem, the issue should be revolving around Mercury is my point. > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>I raised this issue as Mercury was not even mentioned in Sanjay's first mail on the topic.> >>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: > >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna> >>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>Nice name! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I was just making some points when trying to understand disease in astro.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yes, disease is usually a multi planet project, it isnt so simple to point finger at one planet. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>There is the seed , or origin,> >>>>>>> and then it manifests and grows,in the right environment due to karma,> >>>>>>>it often changes and can become a multitude of external and internal " symptoms " . > >>>>>>>Many think the origin of most DIS EASE begins with the mind.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thats the value of ayurveda combined with astro,> >>>>>>>to determine where the intrinsic weak parts are, > >>>>>>> where are the imbalances,etc. Then perform remedies, change diet etc.> >>>>>>>In regards to Leucoderma, im pretty sure I read in Jaimini Sutras that Venus is connected to it. Why? I dont know, except Venus plays a role with hormones,lymph, rejuvenation( or lack thereof) > >>>>>>>But Venus by itself isnt going to be the sole planet involved.> >>>>>>> Im saying Venus must be at the root of it.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Most diseases end up involving many parts of the body. > >>>>>>>Hope you understand my point.> >>>>>>>One " symptom " of lupus is a rash on the cheeks.> >>>>>>>One symptom of chicken pox is a rash. > >>>>>>>One indication of AIDS is a distinct type of skin cancer.> >>>>>>>So where are we going to look for the basis of these disease?> >>>>>>>Not at the skin, it is just one of many " symptoms " . > >>>>>>>Planets, signs and houses, have multiple karaka .> >>>>>>>Hopefully you understand what i was getting at.> >>>>>>>Best wishes> >>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com> > >>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 8:24:56 PM> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Dear Lakshmi, > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am not clear as to what you really wanted to convey.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Did you want to say:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>- It is sufficient to just look at Venus for leucoderma, or > >>>>>>>- It is necessary to look beyond Mercury and Venus> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Please clarify.> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Hare Rama Krishna > >>>>>>>>Dear Krishnamurthy,> >>>>>>>>Venus is associated with all types fluids in the body, and lymph and hormones are involved.> >>>>>>>>When hormones or lympth has problem the person can have problems with regulating fluids in the whole or part of body. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Many skin problems are the result of " body chemistry " out of wack.> >>>>>>>>Yes, autoimmune responses make the body attach own tissues. > >>>>>>>>Often skin problems are a Symptom! of an underlying -in the body- issue.> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Bottom line Many of these things overlap> >>>>>>>>( i mean karaka wise)> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Just think how many disease process can manifest with some skin condition attached to it?> >>>>>>>>So I see it all as inter related.> >>>>>>>>See primary issue, and then secondary issue. > >>>>>>>>In india the ayurvedic doctor treats underlying dosha, imbalance to correct, and america is backwards, treating symptoms first and forgetting or be oblivious to underlying cause.> >>>>>>>>Best wishes > >>>>>>>>Lakshmi> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __ > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>sohamsa@ .com> >>>>>>>>Friday, August 28, 2009 2:49:28 AM> >>>>>>>>Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Leucoderma Problem > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Dear Sanjay, > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Your argument about beauty and hence the relation to Venus seems to be reasonable. However, I feel that is a secondary issue. Mercury represents the basic dhatu. Unless that is afflicted, diseases related to it may not show up. In the cited chart, I notice that Ketu is in trines to Mercury in both D6 and D30 in addition to being conjunct Mercury in Rasi. It appears that, in essence, Mercury is afflicted by Ketu. Now, on top of that we could add your argument about Venus. > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Interesting ly, Dr. Charak in his book on " Essentials of Medical Astrology " puts leucoderma under both Mercury and Venus. Hence, I guess one should look for afflictions to both Mercury and Venus to check out leucoderma. It would be interesting to check out a few more charts understand this better. > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Comments welcome.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>|| Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>Dear Krishna,> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yes Mercury is taken for skin and Jaimini Sutra mentions that boils and rashes can be caused if Ak or Badhakesh is in Mercury ruled amshas (Recently in the list there was another case posted for a small child who has this issue).> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>But, When specific dictum's for specific deceases are mentioned it's preferred to take that specific remedy. Here we already have one from Prashna Marga and hence it was opted. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In Vedic terms all deceases are due some negative karma. The prime object of a Jyotisha should be to delineate in as specific terms as possible the particular karma which causes the trouble. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Now, Skin as basic sense of duty of protecting the inner organs is well performed in Leucoderma the beauty aspect of skin which is ruled by Venus is trouble here so Prashna Marga's recommendation for Venus is not so far off from logic, If you consider that Venus get debilitated in Mercury's> >>>>>>>>> house.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In another sense Vayu tattva is " Sense object " for Skin so can we say Saturn is also kaaraka for Skin?, That was one logic I was thinking about, when I try to delienate as per Panch Tattva and Indriyas. Please give your opinions. > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Warm Regards,> >>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ gmail. com>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Dear Sanjayji, > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Since leucoderma is a problem associate with skin, don't you think the karaka for skin, Mercury should some how be associated with this problem? Does Ketu with Mercury cause this? > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards,> >>>>>>>>>>Krishna> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@ gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>| | Om Gurave Namah ||> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Dear Jani,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Prashna Marga 12.72 says venus brings about leucoderma. > >>>>>>>>>>>In this chart we see that Venus is conjoined Saturn and aspected by Rahu. The Venus kaaraka bhava is having badhakesha Mars,ketu and is aspected by Saturn and Rahu.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>We see 7th house (venus kaaraka) lord moon in 8th house in marana kaaraka staana.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Moon is in 64th Navamsa i.e 4th house in Navamsa with Venus. 4th lord (64th Navamsa lord) is Sun who is the atmakaaraka. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Prashna Marga recomends the following remedy,> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Stanza 23.7. Stealing the wealth of the Deities and Brahmins and eating forbidden foods give rise to leucoderma. Performance of kushmanda homa and gifting of gold are the palliatives. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I addition I would recomend worship of Lakshmi.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Warm Regards> >>>>>>>>>>>Sanjay P> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>2009/ 8/27 Jani Minesh <mhjani >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Birth details of one my relative are follows.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> DOB 14/7/1972> >>>>>>>>>>>> Place: Navsari/Gujarat> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time: 20:20 Hrs> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suffering from leucoderma. Will wearing Mangal Stone help reducing disease? Pl. advice. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> M H Jani> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Natal Chart> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>July 14, 1972 > >>>>>>>>>>>Time: 20:20:00> >>>>>>>>>>>Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> >>>>>>>>>>>Place: 72 E 55' 00 " , 20 N 51' 00 " > >>>>>>>>>>> Navsari, India> >>>>>>>>>>>Altitude : 0.00 meters > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Ashadha> >>>>>>>>>>>Tithi: Sukla Chaturthi (Me) (2.16% left) > >>>>>>>>>>>Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)> >>>>>>>>>>>Nakshatr a: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (76.16% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Yoga: Vyatipata (Ra) (10.38% left) > >>>>>>>>>>>Karana: Vishti (Sa) (4.33% left)> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Cn)> >>>>>>>>>>>Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Pi)> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Sunrise: 6:05:28 > >>>>>>>>>>>Sunset: 19:22:37> >>>>>>>>>>>Janma Ghatis: 35.6057> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Ayanamsa : 23-28-21.04 > >>>>>>>>>>>Sidereal Time: 15:11:56> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Lagna 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>Sun - AK 28 Ge 46' 16.46 " Puna 3 Ge Ge > >>>>>>>>>>>Moon - GK 16 Le 30' 41.26 " PPha 1 Le Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Mars - PK 16 Cn 39' 20.95 " Push 4 Cn Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Mercury - MK 24 Cn 45' 21.10 " Asre 3 Cn Aq > >>>>>>>>>>>Jupiter ® - DK 7 Sg 33' 17.92 " Mool 3 Sg Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Venus - BK 25 Ta 10' 43.28 " Mrig 1 Ta Le> >>>>>>>>>>>Saturn - PiK 21 Ta 58' > >>>>>>>>>>> 15.19 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Rahu - AmK 2 Cp 48' 03.08 " USha 2 Cp Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Ketu 2 Cn 48' 03.08 " Puna 4 Cn Cn > >>>>>>>>>>>Maandi 19 Ar 25' 49.18 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Gulika 7 Ar 26' 28.59 " Aswi 3 Ar > >>>>>>>>>>> Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Bhava Lagna 1 Aq 50' 22.21 " Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Hora Lagna 5 Vi 28' 25.28 " UPha 3 Vi Aq > >>>>>>>>>>>Ghati Lagna 16 Ge 22' 34.48 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq> >>>>>>>>>>>Vighati Lagna 10 Ta 53' 20.48 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Varnada Lagna 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar > >>>>>>>>>>>Sree Lagna 10 Ar 42' 53.24 " Aswi 4 Ar Cn> >>>>>>>>>>>Pranapad a Lagna 11 Vi 27' 17.80 " Hast 1 Vi Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Indu Lagna 16 Vi 30' 41.26 " Hast 2 Vi Ta > >>>>>>>>>>>Bhrigu Bindu 24 Ar 39' 22.17 " Bhar 4 Ar> >>>>>>>>>>> Sc> >>>>>>>>>>>Dhooma 12 Sc 06' 16.46 " Anu 3 Sc Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Vyatipat a 17 Le 53' 43.54 " PPha 2 Le Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Parivesh a 17 Aq 53' 43.54 " Sata 4 Aq Pi > >>>>>>>>>>>Indra Chapa 12 Ta 06' 16.46 " Rohi 1 Ta Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Upaketu 28 Ta 46' 16.46 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Kaala 1 Ge 04' 56.04 " Mrig 3 Ge Li > >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu 10 Cp 12' 36.34 " Srav 1 Cp Ar> >>>>>>>>>>>Artha Prahara 3 Aq 14' 51.48 " Dhan 3 Aq Li> >>>>>>>>>>>Yama Ghantaka > >>>>>>>>>>> 28 Aq 41' 23.20 " PBha 3 Aq Ge> >>>>>>>>>>>Prana Sphuta 21 Pi 58' 04.14 " Reva 2 Pi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>Deha Sphuta 19 Ar 31' 58.71 " Bhar 2 Ar Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>Mrityu Sphuta 20 Le 51' 36.61 " PPha 3 Le Li > >>>>>>>>>>>Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Vi 21' 39.45 " UPha 2 Vi Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>TriSphut a 8 Ge 51' 28.97 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>ChatusSp huta 7 Vi 37' 45.43 " UPha 4 Vi Pi > >>>>>>>>>>>PanchaSp huta 10 Ge 25' 48.50 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp> >>>>>>>>>>>V2 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V3 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Le> >>>>>>>>>>>V4 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Vi> >>>>>>>>>>>V5 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>V6 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V7 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Ge 54' 19.11 " Ardr 3 Ge Ar > >>>>>>>>>>>V8 14 Vi 54' 19.11 " Hast 2 Vi Ta> >>>>>>>>>>>V9 14 Li 54' 19.11 " Swat 3 Li Sg> >>>>>>>>>>>V10 14 Cp 54' 19.11 " Srav 2 Cp Vi > >>>>>>>>>>>V11 > >>>>>>>>>>> 14 Aq 54' 19.11 " Sata 3 Aq Le> >>>>>>>>>>>V12 14 Ta 54' 19.11 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta > >>>>>>>>>>>Kunda 7 Ta 19' 47.81 " Krit 4 Ta Pi> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>+ --------- -- --------- --------- --------- --------- +> >>>>>>>>>>>| |Md Gk |Ve Sa > >>>>>>>>>>> |Su GL |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | | > >>>>>>>>>>>| | | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| | > >>>>>>>>>>> | | |> >>>>>>>>>>>| --------- -- 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