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Dear Sanjay,

 

> What is the opinion of your spiritual master?

> Does he have an opinion on this?

 

I forwarded your mail to him and here is his reply..

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-------------

 

Dear Narasimha, Sanjay and others

 

Ganesha. Why should one worship Ganesha or Rudra or Chandika or Mahakala.

In fact can anybody actually worship any deity.

 

1. The fact of the matter is that one's mind will be drawn to the worship of

deities which one has worshipped in past lives.

2. But, whether one will achive or not with that aspect of the divine is based

on

a. What is the residue of karmas which one has left? Karana Shareera basically

is responsible for this.One in a million

individuals will achieve the burning of the Karana Shareera. But when this

is being done, then every karma done to that person

to his body or mind, good or bad must have an almost hundred times more

intensity result, like for like.

 

b. What is the intensity of the desire of that person for the Divine Beloved?

Which again boils down to the amount of karmas left in that Karana

Shareera. The thicker the overlay of karmas, the lesser the desire to actually

perform any kind of worship.

 

People talk about mantras, mahamantras, and all this.

I find that it simply does not matter.

Every mantra is a name (nam), every nam has a form (rupa).

So, when the mantra is chanted, the rupa is forming.

Where is the rupa forming?

In the physical body, mind, koshas and everywhere.

So the deity will actually occupy the person.

But when can this happen?

Only when the body is dead. Not dead physically, but in a different sense.

ie. ASANA: the mind forgets the body exists after a few hours of sitting really

still for a few hours a day.

Pranayana: the mind reflects on the breath and feels it is alive, it tries

to still the breath.

Dhyana, the rupa of the deity forms in the mind, remember the body is dead

for the mind at this stage.

Dharana: The mind percieves that form of God which is the object of the

consciousness, but duality exists.

Pratyahara: a phenomenon where the eyes do not see, the ears do not hear.

Samadhi: the rupa is so well established, that the ultimate form of that

rupa, that mantra, the Nirguna manifests.

 

So the emptiness must come about in the mind and body about one's own identity

before God fills it up with His form.

So, mantra is simply a tool to make us realise God. Anybody can do mantras, but

most people's internal fire or Agni is

not really charged up to digest these.

Japa is no doubt great, but it is involved with the purification of air, whereas

fire is involved in the purification of internal fire.

When internal fire is purified, then the ability to visualise your deity becomes

stronger. Hence homam in this age is easy and moreover, Agni is a living God,

pratyaksha Devata who can be seen by your physical eyes.

It moves, eats, talks with the sadhaka and finally when it dies, it continues to

live on within the sadhaka.

In Kali Yuga, this ability to call a living God into the house is so powerful

and so exhalting that later on japa after homam

brings very fast results.

Why Ganesha? Most people do not want spirituality, and in any case are not

destined to be spiritual in this lifetime, so the only way they will pursue some

sadhana is if they are given some material result quite quickly by their

sadhana.

Those who have problems in career, litigation, problems with marriage or in

finding life partner, problems with education or speech can really advance their

mundane satisfaction with Ganapati homa.

I have seen this numerous times myself with people who are in this movement and

outside.

That is not to say that Ganapati can't give Mukti. The ultimate form of Ganapati

is the word of God.

And He is sakshama in giving Mukti as well.

 

The mahamantras are many and I agree that some may say that lets do

this(mahamantras) first.

BUT,

The Vedic mahamantras require the kind of intonation so perfect with

visualisation at different bits of the body with various syllables, that for

most people this is not feasible, especially since their Sanskrit itself is

somewhat imperfect.(remember name is form, if name is not repeated properly then

how will the form be?)(example, of someone who repeated bhakshati for rakshati

in Pune many years ago).

And then there are mahamantras which are ok with almost any intonation. If

someone wants to follow this that is also ok.

But, with any mantra sadhana, Ganesha sadhana is anivarya. Because, the entrance

to Shakti at Sushumna is guarded by Him.

 

Again some doubt comes into people's heads about some mantras harming them when

recited:

If somebody experiences bad things when a mantra of a certain deity is recited

then all it means is that the karmas of the Karana shareera are being dealt

with(by the deity) quite fast, so they have to be experienced. It actually means

that the Devata is close and more intense sadhana is needed.

 

Actually, all this business about mantra and mahamantra is immaterial, Allah

malik Hai, voh sab janta hai.

Us parvardigar se prarthana kar, woh sab raste khol deta hai.

 

 

With humility

Manish

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote:

>

> oṠgurave namaḥ

>

> Dear Narasiá¹ha

>

> Before I venture on this ...is this your opinion? What is the opinion of your

spiritual master? Does he have an opinion on this?

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Sanjay Rath

>

> WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com

>

> Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

>

> SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org

>

> Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

http://sagittariuspublications.com

>

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

pvr108

> 16 September 2009 01:05

> sohamsa

> Spiritual sadhana (Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva...)

>

>

>

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> Yes, mahamantra is unbelievably pure and eventually purifies one who chants it

everyday (ideally, 16x108 times or more).

>

> > all mantra and pujÄ have many flaws

>

> Flaw is not in mantra, but in the mind. Each mantra protects the mind. The

mechanism of this protection may or may not work fast depending on how impure

and flawed a particular *mind* is.

>

> Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only the one who

is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is used as the medium for

offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its surroundings and the delivery of the

mantra. When Parasara taught various remedies in BPHS, he mentioned homam

everywhere, for every problem. If you are not pure, take help of the one who is

not only pure but also purifies whatever he comes in contact with!

>

> One who spends 30 minutes or more everyday in any homam will know the effect

of fire on mind and can appreciate why fire is called " the purifier " and why

Parasara mentioned homam in pretty much every remedy.

>

> > Please quote your source in support

>

> (1) Relevance of Ganapathi: Punaranic saying " Kalau Chandi Vinayakau " (Chandi

and Ganapathi save one in Kali).

> (2) Importance of Ganapathi worship at the beginning: The puranic story of how

Ganesha became the ruler of overcoming obstacles. There can be obstacles even

when doing sadhana of a specific deity (e.g. Krishna, Chandi, Shiva, Vishnu

etc). Worship of Ganesha at the beginning is helpful. So, when asked which homam

is good, I suggested to do Ganapathi homam for a while and then switch to

whatever he feels an affinity to.

> (3) Ganapathi being in the Mooladhara and taking care of material life:

Ganapathi atharva seersham

> (4) Ganapathi controlling the opening of sushumna: Ganapathi's puraanic prayer

of 108 names

>

> * * *

>

> I want to be absolutely clear about one thing. I have nothing against any

mantra or sadhana. I am happy if more people do sadhana, no matter what sadhana.

It can be Mahamantra, Vishnu sahasra naama, Venkateswara mantra, Chandipath,

Lalitasahasra naama, Panchadasi, Savitru Gayatri, Sri Rudram, Ganapathi atharva

seersham or anything. It can be japam, homam or just selfless service to fellow

beings. I am happy if more people do spiritual sadhana and overcome their

weaknesses.

>

> But, if one asks for my advice based on my understanding of shastras, I

suggest Ganapathi sadhana as appropriate in the beginning to remove obstacles

from one's spiritual sadhana and then the main sadhana to the chosen deity.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sanjay

Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> > oṠgurave namaḥ

> >

> > Dear Narasiá¹Âha

> >

> > I think the best way to start sÄÂdhana is to start reciting the Mahamantra

of Kali yuga as all mantra and pujÄ have many flaws and these can cause

suffering when not done by experts. Only mantra with the name of Krishna have no

flaws ... I quote Mantra Mahodadhih in support

> >

> > Please quote your source in support

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com

> >

> > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> >

> > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org

> >

> > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

http://sagittariuspublications.com

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

[sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On Behalf

Of Narasimha PVR Rao

> > 15 September 2009 02:32

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > > Explaining clearly the traits of Brahmana , Kshatriya & Vaisya

> > > at the context of learning & sharing of knowledge was very

> > > nicely said. Knowledge is Power but sharing it gives enlightment.

> >

> > Knowledge is indeed Power. However, looking at one's own knowledge as power,

feeling proud and wanting to get some influence or authority over people using

it is kshatriya attitude. It does not lead to enlightenment. Such attitude

restricts the blooming of (and also the benefit to the world from) one's

knowledge.

> >

> > One should humbly look at oneself as an instrument of god and operate guided

by one's sense of dharma, without being sensitive to whether others are praising

or criticizing one. Swami Vivekananda famously said once that Ramakrishna could

have created 100 Vivekanandas from sand and whatever he was and did was due to

his guru's greatness. That is what I mean by humbly looking at oneself as an

instrument. BTW, Swamiji was not one to show off fake humility. He spoke his

mind frankly and always stood up for what he believed in, with unmatched

honesty, integrity, conviction and fearlessness.

> >

> > Surrender to god, ask for nothing (including any knowledge), be grateful for

whatEVER He gives (including any knowledge) and do what you see as your dharma

with what he gives you. THAT is the spirit of a braahmana.

> >

> > Interestingly, one with a pure braahmana attitude automatically becomes

powerful. One who wants power and control is upset when that is undermined. One

who wants money and profits is upset when that is underminded. How can anyone

upset one who wants nothing and does whatever one *can* with whatever one *has*?

Freedom from desires (including desires related to knowledge) is the highest

power.

> >

> > In not-so-old days, braahmanas roamed this earth who very pure like fire,

who had no desires and who fulfilled what they saw as their dharma without any

expectations or inhibitions. No wonder such braahmanas exuded such power that

the whole world was in awe of them and even mighty kings bowed before their

" power " .

> >

> > > Your mail has prompted me to delve into the homan section in you

> > > website and shortly I will start with the homan with the various

> > > templates you have cited in your site. PVRji, would you kindly

> > > advise us which homan to start with and what are the benefits

> > > one can get from the various homan's stated in your site.

> > > (Thanks for your time and advises).

> >

> > Ganapathi homam is the best homam for anybody to start with. As a spiritual

sadhana, it is a good idea to do Ganapathi homam for a few months before

starting any other homam. Ganapathi controls the mooladhara chakra, as well as

the the opening of the sushumna nadi. Thus, he protects one's material life and

enables spiritual progress. Moreover, Ganapathi sadhana pleases Ketu and that

can help in one's astrology pursuits too.

> >

> > > My humble prayers to our Creator to bless with you with all

> > > the knowledge so that you can share it with us

> >

> > My humble prayers to the Mother to create a bunch of purified Braahminical

Jyotishis and bless them with perfect knowledge so that the world re-awakens and

sanatana dharma is re-estalished firmly on this earth..

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > -------------------------

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

<sohamsa%40> , Dev Sarkar <sarkar_dbx@> wrote:

> > >

> > > PVRji Namaste,

> > >

> > > Your mail , reply, clarifications and the write-ups has been quite an

enlightening experience for student of astrology like me.

> > >

> > > Explaining clearly the traits of Brahmana , Kshatriya & Vaisya at the

context of learning & sharing of knowledge was very nicely said. Knowledge is

Power but sharing it gives enlightment.

> > >

> > > Your mail has prompted me to delve into the homan section in you website

and shortly I will start with the homan with the various templates you have

cited in your site. PVRji, would you kindly advise us which homan to start with

and what are the benefits one can get from the various homan's stated in your

site. (Thanks for your time and advises).

> > >

> > > My humble prayers to our Creator to bless with you with all the knowledge

so that you can share it with us for the development of our studies and for

students like me.

> > >

> > > With Respects,

> > >

> > > Devbrato Sarkar

> > >

> > > " Wealth is not just about making the money BUT making the MAN while he is

making money " .

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra

> > > sjc-guru <sjc-guru%40>

<sjc-guru%40> ,

<%40> <%40>

, sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

<sohamsa%40> , sjcBoston

<sjcBoston%40> <sjcBoston%40> ,

vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>

<vedic astrology%40>

> > > Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 11:37 PM

> > >

> > > Namaste Rajarshi,

> > >

> > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense

logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would expect it to

apply. That's all.

> > >

> > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot.

> > >

> > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary special

lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example sometime back.

> > >

> > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so many

nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using many examples,

one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a template.

> > >

> > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned from

AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC have an

influence of the same planet and that planet is also associated with a trine

from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position of power and influence in one's

work. We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10)

effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in

one (AmK) and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL).

> > >

> > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star counted

anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and Venus. In

D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus

owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th

house from GL.

> > >

> > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, the 10th

star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In D-10, the 6th

house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In rasi chart, Jupiter is

the 9th lord from GL.

> > >

> > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th star

counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from nodes and

aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi containing Rahu

counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect it from Ta. In rasi

chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL.

> > >

> > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the 10th

star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from Moon

and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing Venus is Ge owned by Mercury

and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th

and 9th lords from GL and is with them, aspecting GL.

> > >

> > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th star

is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from Mars and Saturn.

In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi owned and occupied by

Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi chart, Mercury and Mars are in

GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL.

> > >

> > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the 10th

star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by Mercury, Jupiter

and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing Jupiter is Ge owned by

Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi chart, Mercury and Venus are in

the 9th house from GL.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Bottomline:

> > >

> > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra (SBC),

various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the mental level (SBC),

what factor at the level of a specific environment in life (i.e. a divisional

chart, examples of various environments shown in various divisional charts are -

professional in D-10, parental in D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20,

financial in D-2 etc) and what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to

have a synergy, in order to produce a specific result?

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum- Jyotishis,

> > >

> > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2 cents if

this makes no sense to you.

> > >

> > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and used

to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get up at 6 am.

I used to spend long hours formulating principles and testing them out on

charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After coming home from work, I used to

spend as much time on astrology study and research, as I used to spend on my

main profession during the day.

> > >

> > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending that

much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went up. Some ideas

that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation sessions turned out to be

good and simply worked in several charts that I tried out later.

> > >

> > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever knowledge

you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god and rishis and

surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish knowledge with the spirit

of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about nothing other than knowledge and

liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares about power, authority and control over

others. Vaisya is one who cares about money. Do not look at your Jyotish

knowledge as a means to have some control or authority over people and do not

feel proud of your knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your

Jyotish knowledge as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a

vaishya. Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender

to god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then.

> > >

> > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in Jyotish

completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish knowledge. But so

be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge *you need* " . You don't

know what you really need, but god does! Complete surrender means not asking for

any specific thing and accepting whatever comes one's way!

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Reply to Mail 2 below:

> > >

> > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity.

> > >

> > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she was

pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on a regular

basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery.

> > >

> > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer to,

that *he himself* would come as a son.

> > >

> > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself declared

should be the final word.

> > >

> > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go into a

nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some principle based

on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it completely vanished from

my consciousness as meditation deepened and the regular self-awareness vanished

too. Then I was in a nice spiritual state where the logical mind and intuitive

mind were very very calm without much mental activity. When I was coming back to

a state of normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became aware of a

thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the universe and

I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to observe it.

> > >

> > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I did

not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my gratitude to

Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this thought came and moreover

this principle is far more logical and far more accurate than anything I was

able to synthesize using my rational and intuitive minds before. If one begged

the king for money and suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's

backyard by an unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the

coins seem to be made of real gold..

> > >

> > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have some

really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to carry an

oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a separate invocation..

For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can offer an oblation in the fire

while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to

offer to Jupiter, you can offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om

bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main

homam and before you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati,

Vishnu and Shiva.

> > >

> > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha invocation

from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and follow that

procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM paraasharaaya namaH "

or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse for Parasara below. Irresepctive

of the exact procedure you used, the keys to success are (a) the strength of

belief that Parasara is there in fire and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use

whatever procedure maximizes those aspects in you.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ .com, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Narasimha,

> > > >

> > > > Very good work.

> > > >

> > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very accurate

results.

> > > >

> > > > I have a few queries:

> > > >

> > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we safely

conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual experience of

Moksha?

> > > >

> > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects the

12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, or vice

versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not reach the

highest realization?

> > > >

> > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person cannot

attain moksha in that life time?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot.

> > > >

> > > > -Regards

> > > > Rajarshi

> > > >

> > > > ------------ ------

> > > >

> > > > Mail 2:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams

> > > >

> > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote this

email

> > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a larger

> > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.*

> > > >

> > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from Maharishi

> > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent charts

and

> > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi and

vargas

> > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here!

> > > >

> > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light

emanated

> > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna' s mother went to the temple

and

> > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she was

pregnant

> > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna' s father had a dream at

Gaya

> > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny.

> > > >

> > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an empirical

> > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement was

arrived

> > > > at.

> > > >

> > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation?

> > > >

> > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been toying

with

> > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in the

homam,

> > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa

shastra..

> > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke Maharishi

> > > > Jaimini in the homan?

> > > >

> > > > best regards

> > > > <name deleted>

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra

> > > > sohamsa@ .com, vedic astrology,

, sjcBoston@grou ps.com, sjc-guru@

s.com

> > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends,

> > > >

> > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding Ramakrishna

Paramhamsa's chart:

> > > >

> > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have never

come across anything as close to this chart which represents a perfect

incarnation of Lord Shiva. "

> > > >

> > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of " Shiva " shown by

the chart.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself revealed and

religious authorities at his time opined.

> > > >

> > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami

Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he declares

his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As if he detected

the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still have doubts? He who was

Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And I do not mean it in your

vedantic sense! "

> > > >

> > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense and

referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly revealed that he

was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never spoke a lie and valued

truthfulness highly. The words of the realized man in question himself must be

more reliable than questionable and unreliable astrological principles.

> > > >

> > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time studied

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being trained by

Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical marks that confirmed

to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They declared him to be an

incarnation of Vishnu.

> > > >

> > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct.

> > > >

> > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even called

Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and plays of the

mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly created in him respect

and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. Well, it takes one with

purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with

raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas

that Vivekananda finally realized his true nature.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter is

supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, one may be

tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya and attribute Shiva

tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that is no logic. Jupiter is not

just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of Vishnu's avataras have been the

greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad

Gita, the greatest spiritual teaching ever.

> > > >

> > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair from a

few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. Govinda

Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too had several great

sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered an incarnation of Lord

Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to be of Vishnu tattwa.

> > > >

> > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of Shiva

(Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have had an amsha

of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would be no logic at all!

Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi Shankara.

> > > >

> > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara and

Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of Aadi

Shankara.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > >

> > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per

Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high level soul

having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and Vivekananda and a

questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it.

> > > >

> > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana Maharshi,

Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami Sivananda, which do

not satisfy the criterion. All of them are definitely " high level souls having

incarnated " .

> > > >

> > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula based on

" vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for one specific

dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, the space of Vimsottari

lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine planets, while the space of chara

karakas contains eight planets. A formula based on equating them is mixing up

two unequal sets. That is illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many

examples and works in just two (third example is based on questionable data).

Thus, it sounds like a formula constructed based on an observation which was

made based on just 2-3 charts.

> > > >

> > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of applicable

charts.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on abhisheka

nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for liberation, that works

in all the charts I mentioned above. I was unsuccessful. Each formula works in

some and fails in some. The example charts I chose are all unquestionably very

high caliber spiritual people.

> > > >

> > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily Chandi

homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on abhisheka

nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable charts. The formula

that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra -

reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra

(SBC) from a planet that is also associated with (a) the 12th house from chara

aatma kaaraka in D-20 chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart.

If chara aatma kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as

counting of the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. "

> > > >

> > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK in

it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses spiritually.

Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and abhisheka (28th)

nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the nakshatra space. Planet

having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual liberation. The 5th

and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences

all the three factors, that planet can suggest liberation. The reverse counting

from Rahu is because Rahu goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara

asked to reckon argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu

in anti-zodiacal order.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya and

bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes liberation

(12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the conscious mental plane

(SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20).

> > > >

> > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa lordships. It

uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for rasis.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi, Swami

Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami Sivananda. It worked in all

the charts.

> > > >

> > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star from

him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon is in Ta and

the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th lord.

> > > >

> > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from him

counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from Saturn. In

D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn

owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th house.

> > > >

> > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from him

is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In D-20, Sun is

in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th

house.

> > > >

> > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star from

him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In

D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. In rasi, Jupiter occupies

the 5th house.

> > > >

> > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. The 28th

star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and aspect from Jupiter

in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns the 12th while Rahu and Ketu

aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and occupies 9th.

> > > >

> > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star from

him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In D-20, Rahu is

in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp and Sun aspects it. In

rasi, Sun is the 9th lord.

> > > >

> > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th star

from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and Saturn aspects

it.. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. Saturn and Rahu own it and

Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord in 9th house.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time continuum when

living here in a body can bless us even after they leave earth. To those of you

who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want to surrender to Parasara and

get some blessings from him, I suggest making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations)

of ghee at the beginning of uttaraangam while saying one of the following:

> > > >

> > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM

> > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa.

paraasharaayedaM na mama.

> > > >

> > > > or

> > > >

> > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

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