Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Guruji and Jyotishas, I have observed that Panchanga at Sunrise is more accurate for Daily predictions or influence on the native, whereas the Panchanga at given moment is valid for Prashna and Muhurtha. For example lets say for a native Dhanishta is Mangala Peedita Nakshatra and at Sunrise the Nakshatra is Dhanishta and it changes to Shatabhishaj in few minutes after sunrise. Then the results of Dhanishta will be seen throughout the day. Can you please tell if this observation is accurate.-Warm Regards,Sanjay P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 oá¹ gurave namaḥ Dear Sanjay Extremely correct and accurate. The moment of sunrise os of the greatest importance. Just as birth horoscope is so important although we have praÅ›na and so many other techniques, the birth of the day is so much more important than the rest of the day. This is where we can check which sunrise calculation was better for the station – tip of Sun or middle of Sun ... you see the implications. VarÄhamihÄ«ra was a great observer and thats why we follow him Best Wishes Sanjay Rath WebPages: http://srath.com Jaimini Scholar: http://sohamsa.com SJC: http://.org Jyotish Digest, Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran 05 October 2009 10:55 sohamsa Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Guruji and Jyotishas, I have observed that Panchanga at Sunrise is more accurate for Daily predictions or influence on the native, whereas the Panchanga at given moment is valid for Prashna and Muhurtha. For example lets say for a native Dhanishta is Mangala Peedita Nakshatra and at Sunrise the Nakshatra is Dhanishta and it changes to Shatabhishaj in few minutes after sunrise. Then the results of Dhanishta will be seen throughout the day. Can you please tell if this observation is accurate. -Warm Regards, Sanjay P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Namaste, Sanjay. May Lord Ganesh remove all obstacles from your path and grant you peace and prosperity in all things! My limited experience (only several months) supports your observation. Namaste, David Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiarsohamsa Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 12:24:56 AM Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Guruji and Jyotishas, I have observed that Panchanga at Sunrise is more accurate for Daily predictions or influence on the native, whereas the Panchanga at given moment is valid for Prashna and Muhurtha. For example lets say for a native Dhanishta is Mangala Peedita Nakshatra and at Sunrise the Nakshatra is Dhanishta and it changes to Shatabhishaj in few minutes after sunrise. Then the results of Dhanishta will be seen throughout the day.Can you please tell if this observation is accurate.-Warm Regards,Sanjay P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 sri ganeshaya namah dear sanjay p, namaste. you are indeed on the right track as also confirmed by sanjay rathji. if somebody is born in evening at 6.15 pm when tithi changes from purnima to krishna pratipada , we should observe that tithi at sunrise for native during the birth weekday was purnima , so tithi affecting native will be purnima and not krishna pratipada as normally would be taken. but shouldnt yoga and karana be taken as it is at birth time? humbly, chandan s sabarwal. sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote: > > > > > > oá¹ gurave namaḥ > > Dear Sanjay > > Extremely correct and accurate. The moment of sunrise os of the greatest importance. Just as birth horoscope is so important although we have praÅ›na and so many other techniques, the birth of the day is so much more important than the rest of the day. > > This is where we can check which sunrise calculation was better for the station †" tip of Sun or middle of Sun ... you see the implications. VarÄhamihÄ«ra was a great observer and thats why we follow him > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org > > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran > 05 October 2009 10:55 > sohamsa > Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Guruji and Jyotishas, > > I have observed that Panchanga at Sunrise is more accurate for Daily predictions or influence on the native, whereas the Panchanga at given moment is valid for Prashna and Muhurtha. > > For example lets say for a native Dhanishta is Mangala Peedita Nakshatra and at Sunrise the Nakshatra is Dhanishta and it changes to Shatabhishaj in few minutes after sunrise. Then the results of Dhanishta will be seen throughout the day. > Can you please tell if this observation is accurate. > > -Warm Regards, > Sanjay P > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Dear Chandan and Sanjay P Sometime back when I wrote about the chart of Sri Rama , this was my argument keeping the Ramayana as sakshi ... Sri Rama could not have been born on Navami unless the tithi at sunrise was used for the Panchanga. Also we need to be sure that the other method of reckoning tithi was not used i.e. Time tithi instead of Space tithi ... These days we have been following the tradition in using space tithi i.e. 12 deg *relative motion* of the Moon w.r.t Sun = 13 degree actual motion of Moon = 1 tithi. Time tithi would, on the other hand, use the speed and acceleration of the Moon as well and the spans may not be equal. Am I confusing people? Then leave it Best wishes Sanjay Rath sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of chandan s sabarwal 06 October 2009 15:22 sohamsa Re: Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime sri ganeshaya namah dear sanjay p, namaste. you are indeed on the right track as also confirmed by sanjay rathji. if somebody is born in evening at 6.15 pm when tithi changes from purnima to krishna pratipada , we should observe that tithi at sunrise for native during the birth weekday was purnima , so tithi affecting native will be purnima and not krishna pratipada as normally would be taken. but shouldnt yoga and karana be taken as it is at birth time? humbly, chandan s sabarwal. sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote: > > > > > > oá¹ gurave namaḥ > > Dear Sanjay > > Extremely correct and accurate. The moment of sunrise os of the greatest importance. Just as birth horoscope is so important although we have praÅ›na and so many other techniques, the birth of the day is so much more important than the rest of the day. > > This is where we can check which sunrise calculation was better for the station †" tip of Sun or middle of Sun ... you see the implications. VarÄÂhamihÄ«ra was a great observer and thats why we follow him > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org > > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran > 05 October 2009 10:55 > sohamsa > Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Guruji and Jyotishas, > > I have observed that Panchanga at Sunrise is more accurate for Daily predictions or influence on the native, whereas the Panchanga at given moment is valid for Prashna and Muhurtha. > > For example lets say for a native Dhanishta is Mangala Peedita Nakshatra and at Sunrise the Nakshatra is Dhanishta and it changes to Shatabhishaj in few minutes after sunrise. Then the results of Dhanishta will be seen throughout the day. > Can you please tell if this observation is accurate. > > -Warm Regards, > Sanjay P > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 sri ganeshaya namah, dear sanjay ji, namaste. i understand the point you are trying to make about tithi being important at sunrise. however , what about yoga and karana? should they be taken as it is at birthtime? or should yoga and karana also be taken as at sunrise? since jataka bharnam gives a good description about all panchanga limbs seperately , one could easily identify which yoga and karana suits a person more. what are your experiences on this? also , as per lahiri ayanamsa my janma nakshatra is shows as bharani , where as from what ive read and understood , im definately not bharani , but rather ashwini. ashwini as my janma nakshatra is only possible if we use an ayanamsa thats starts the sidereal zodiac from krittika nakshatra for ex the djwhal khul,deluce and galactic centerat 0sg0. same is the case with my brother also . lahiri shows him to be hasta nakshatra , where as he is more of u.phalguni. any comments? humble regards, chandan s sabarwal. sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote: > > Dear Chandan and Sanjay P > > Sometime back when I wrote about the chart of Sri Rama , this was my argument keeping the Ramayana as sakshi ... Sri Rama could not have been born on Navami unless the tithi at sunrise was used for the Panchanga. Also we need to be sure that the other method of reckoning tithi was not used i.e. Time tithi instead of Space tithi ... > > These days we have been following the tradition in using space tithi i.e. 12 deg *relative motion* of the Moon w.r.t Sun = 13 degree actual motion of Moon = 1 tithi. > > Time tithi would, on the other hand, use the speed and acceleration of the Moon as well and the spans may not be equal. Am I confusing people? Then leave it > > Best wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of chandan s sabarwal > 06 October 2009 15:22 > sohamsa > Re: Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime > > > > > > sri ganeshaya namah > > dear sanjay p, > namaste. > > you are indeed on the right track as also confirmed by sanjay rathji. > if somebody is born in evening at 6.15 pm when tithi changes from purnima to krishna pratipada , we should observe that tithi at sunrise for native during the birth weekday was purnima , so tithi affecting native will be purnima and not krishna pratipada as normally would be taken. > > but shouldnt yoga and karana be taken as it is at birth time? > > humbly, > chandan s sabarwal. > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > oá¹ gurave namaḥ > > > > Dear Sanjay > > > > Extremely correct and accurate. The moment of sunrise os of the greatest importance. Just as birth horoscope is so important although we have praÅ›na and so many other techniques, the birth of the day is so much more important than the rest of the day. > > > > This is where we can check which sunrise calculation was better for the station †" tip of Sun or middle of Sun ... you see the implications. VarÄÂhamihÄ«ra was a great observer and thats why we follow him > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > > > > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > > > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org > > > > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran > > 05 October 2009 10:55 > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Guruji and Jyotishas, > > > > I have observed that Panchanga at Sunrise is more accurate for Daily predictions or influence on the native, whereas the Panchanga at given moment is valid for Prashna and Muhurtha. > > > > For example lets say for a native Dhanishta is Mangala Peedita Nakshatra and at Sunrise the Nakshatra is Dhanishta and it changes to Shatabhishaj in few minutes after sunrise. Then the results of Dhanishta will be seen throughout the day. > > Can you please tell if this observation is accurate. > > > > -Warm Regards, > > Sanjay P > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Guruji,I think I understand what you are mentioning. Let me state what I understood,Tithi basically mean's divide by 15 of paksha. So, if we divide a paksha 'space' area of 180 degrees into 15 we get 12 degrees. (But in terms of actualy movement of Moon it would nearly 13 degree travel as Sun would have travelled one degree in that duration of about a day) If we take Time based Paksha for Full moon to New Moon or New Moon Full Moon. Tithi would 15th part of that portion. Let me take an example, Event Time Duration to Next Event in Days Amavasya (New Moon) Sun-Moon Conj 19-Sep-2009 00:19:35  Purnima (Full Moon) Sun-Moon 180 degrees 04-Oct-2009 11:42:39 15.47 Amavasya (New Moon) Sun Moon Conj 18-Oct-2009 11:01:44 13.97 Purnima to Amavasya duration is 13.97 days and 15th portion is 0.93 days.Adding this portion to Last Purnima we get 1st tithi ending as per Time Division. So the First Tithi, i.e Krishna Prathamai(K1) will be from 04-Oct-2009 11:42:39 to 05-Oct-2009 10:03:55Note that on 4th Oct Purnima Sun is at 17 Vi 10' 29 " and Moon is at 17 Pi 10' 20 " , exactly 180 degree's spacial distance. This is commencement of Krishna Prathamai. On 19th Oct 9:23:00 Sun is at 1 Li 55' 16 " and 13 Li 40' 01 " So the distance between them is 11.75 degree. (Actual Space based tithi division ends on 19th Oct 9:52 AM)So we see in this example Time Based Tithi is of shorter duration than space based duration. (In other times it could be equal or larger, Basically the point is Time division Tithi is different from Space Division) Warm Regards,Sanjay PNote: All Times mentioned are IST (5:30 East GMT)2009/10/10 Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath Dear Chandan and Sanjay P Sometime back when I wrote about the chart of Sri Rama , this was my argument keeping the Ramayana as sakshi ... Sri Rama could not have been born on Navami unless the tithi at sunrise was used for the Panchanga. Also we need to be sure that the other method of reckoning tithi was not used i.e. Time tithi instead of Space tithi ... These days we have been following the tradition in using space tithi i.e. 12 deg *relative motion* of the Moon w.r.t Sun = 13 degree actual motion of Moon = 1 tithi. Time tithi would, on the other hand, use the speed and acceleration of the Moon as well and the spans may not be equal. Am I confusing people? Then leave it Best wishes Sanjay Rath  sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of chandan s sabarwal 06 October 2009 15:22 sohamsa Re: Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime   sri ganeshaya namah dear sanjay p, namaste. you are indeed on the right track as also confirmed by sanjay rathji. if somebody is born in evening at 6.15 pm when tithi changes from purnima to krishna pratipada , we should observe that tithi at sunrise for native during the birth weekday was purnima , so tithi affecting native will be purnima and not krishna pratipada as normally would be taken. but shouldnt yoga and karana be taken as it is at birth time? humbly, chandan s sabarwal. sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote: > > > > > > oá¹ gurave namaḥ > > Dear Sanjay > > Extremely correct and accurate. The moment of sunrise os of the greatest importance. Just as birth horoscope is so important although we have praÅ›na and so many other techniques, the birth of the day is so much more important than the rest of the day. > > This is where we can check which sunrise calculation was better for the station †" tip of Sun or middle of Sun ... you see the implications. VarÄ hamihÄ«ra was a great observer and thats why we follow him > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org > > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran > 05 October 2009 10:55 > sohamsa > Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Guruji and Jyotishas, > > I have observed that Panchanga at Sunrise is more accurate for Daily predictions or influence on the native, whereas the Panchanga at given moment is valid for Prashna and Muhurtha. > > For example lets say for a native Dhanishta is Mangala Peedita Nakshatra and at Sunrise the Nakshatra is Dhanishta and it changes to Shatabhishaj in few minutes after sunrise. Then the results of Dhanishta will be seen throughout the day. > Can you please tell if this observation is accurate. > > -Warm Regards, > Sanjay P > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 om gurave namah Brilliant Sanjay P Thats exactly what I was talking about. Jataka Parijatha specifically advises the use of this in timing various events and also defines a whole nakshatra system based on this. If that be so, then the spacial span of the nakshatra will also change if time is the basis. In that example you used Moon catching up with the Sun to get the full lunar month. Now consider the exact moment of Moons entry into (1) Ashvini or (2) Krittika to define the start of a lunar cycle. When Moon returns to zero degrees of Aries this would be one full lunar cycle and this when divided by 27 will give the nakshatra span in *time* and not space. This is very specifically advised Now can you imagine its implications w.r.t dasha?? Best wishes Sanjay Rath sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran 14 October 2009 12:57 sohamsa Re: Re: Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Guruji, I think I understand what you are mentioning. Let me state what I understood, Tithi basically mean's divide by 15 of paksha. So, if we divide a paksha 'space' area of 180 degrees into 15 we get 12 degrees. (But in terms of actualy movement of Moon it would nearly 13 degree travel as Sun would have travelled one degree in that duration of about a day) If we take Time based Paksha for Full moon to New Moon or New Moon Full Moon. Tithi would 15th part of that portion. Let me take an example, Event Time Duration to Next Event in Days Amavasya (New Moon) Sun-Moon Conj 19-Sep-2009 00:19:35 Purnima (Full Moon) Sun-Moon 180 degrees 04-Oct-2009 11:42:39 15.47 Amavasya (New Moon) Sun Moon Conj 18-Oct-2009 11:01:44 13.97 Purnima to Amavasya duration is 13.97 days and 15th portion is 0.93 days. Adding this portion to Last Purnima we get 1st tithi ending as per Time Division. So the First Tithi, i.e Krishna Prathamai(K1) will be from 04-Oct-2009 11:42:39 to 05-Oct-2009 10:03:55 Note that on 4th Oct Purnima Sun is at 17 Vi 10' 29 " and Moon is at 17 Pi 10' 20 " , exactly 180 degree's spacial distance. This is commencement of Krishna Prathamai. On 19th Oct 9:23:00 Sun is at 1 Li 55' 16 " and 13 Li 40' 01 " So the distance between them is 11.75 degree. (Actual Space based tithi division ends on 19th Oct 9:52 AM) So we see in this example Time Based Tithi is of shorter duration than space based duration. (In other times it could be equal or larger, Basically the point is Time division Tithi is different from Space Division) Warm Regards, Sanjay P Note: All Times mentioned are IST (5:30 East GMT) 2009/10/10 Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath Dear Chandan and Sanjay P Sometime back when I wrote about the chart of Sri Rama , this was my argument keeping the Ramayana as sakshi ... Sri Rama could not have been born on Navami unless the tithi at sunrise was used for the Panchanga. Also we need to be sure that the other method of reckoning tithi was not used i.e. Time tithi instead of Space tithi ... These days we have been following the tradition in using space tithi i.e. 12 deg *relative motion* of the Moon w.r.t Sun = 13 degree actual motion of Moon = 1 tithi. Time tithi would, on the other hand, use the speed and acceleration of the Moon as well and the spans may not be equal. Am I confusing people? Then leave it Best wishes Sanjay Rath sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of chandan s sabarwal 06 October 2009 15:22 sohamsa Re: Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime sri ganeshaya namah dear sanjay p, namaste. you are indeed on the right track as also confirmed by sanjay rathji. if somebody is born in evening at 6.15 pm when tithi changes from purnima to krishna pratipada , we should observe that tithi at sunrise for native during the birth weekday was purnima , so tithi affecting native will be purnima and not krishna pratipada as normally would be taken. but shouldnt yoga and karana be taken as it is at birth time? humbly, chandan s sabarwal. sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote: > > > > > > oá¹ gurave namaḥ > > Dear Sanjay > > Extremely correct and accurate. The moment of sunrise os of the greatest importance. Just as birth horoscope is so important although we have praÅ›na and so many other techniques, the birth of the day is so much more important than the rest of the day. > > This is where we can check which sunrise calculation was better for the station †" tip of Sun or middle of Sun ... you see the implications. VarÄ hamihÄ«ra was a great observer and thats why we follow him > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com > > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org > > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran > 05 October 2009 10:55 > sohamsa > Panchanga at Sunrise vs GivenTime > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Guruji and Jyotishas, > > I have observed that Panchanga at Sunrise is more accurate for Daily predictions or influence on the native, whereas the Panchanga at given moment is valid for Prashna and Muhurtha. > > For example lets say for a native Dhanishta is Mangala Peedita Nakshatra and at Sunrise the Nakshatra is Dhanishta and it changes to Shatabhishaj in few minutes after sunrise. Then the results of Dhanishta will be seen throughout the day. > Can you please tell if this observation is accurate. > > -Warm Regards, > Sanjay P > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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