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Dear Sanjay,

 

Regarding Kali yuga and Parasara's teachings on homam:

 

> > Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only

> > the one who is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is

> > used as the medium for offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its

> > surroundings and the delivery of the mantra. When Parasara taught

> > various remedies in BPHS, he mentioned homam everywhere, for every

> > problem. If you are not pure, take help of the one who is not only

> > pure but also purifies whatever he comes in contact with!

>

> To that extent, those verses in Bá¹›hat ParÄÂÅ›ara are accurate as

> ParÄÂÅ›ara lived in another Yuga. He had passed before the advent

> of Kali Yuga, falling prey to wolves as he allow his son and another

> to make their escape. In that Yuga, the practise of hamam as a means

> of sÄÂdhana was considered most apporpriate as the general people

> were very learned and experts in these rituals. In Kali Yuga, the

> situation is different and your prescription of Homam as the ultimate

> means of sahdhana is definitely wrong.

 

Parasara specifically referred to *Kali yuga* a few times in BPHS. He

specifically mentioned the short-comings of people of Kali yuga and said he

would teach techniques that would benefit them. Though he was teaching the

subject near the end of Dwapara yuga, he made it amply clear that he had the

people of Kali yuga in mind!

 

Thus, your suggestion that homam (which is embedded in most of Parasara's

remedies) is not applicable in Kali yuga is not acceptable.

 

I did not use the word " ultimate " . I say that homam is one of the most effective

sadhanas available today. Purity of mind, which is essential to success in

sadhana, is so rare these days due to impurities everywhere and a powerful

purifying factor like an external homam fire is very effective.

 

Proof of the pudding is in eating it. Anyone who tries a homam on a regular

basis for a few months will know the difference it makes, especially after the

starting troubles are overcome.

 

* * *

 

> In reality, there is only one purifier and His name is chanted at

> the time of all purification †" it is the name of Kṛṣṇa

> (or Viṣṇu). This process is called Achamana. The *apavitra

> pavitro va ...* prayer is a clear confirmation of the

> purification we seek from His grace.

 

Well, paavaka is one of the names of fire and it means " purifier " . Thus, your

assertion of " only one " is wrong. Agni IS a purifier that you can bring near

you.

 

Of course, Agni is a form of Vishnu and one of his 1000 names. Actually, yaGYa

is also a name of Vishnu. However, one who sees a homam, the fire in it, the

doer of homam, the materials offered in homam etc as different objects, though

all of them are mentioned as different names of Vishnu in Vishnu sahasra naama

stotram, IS deluded by Vishnu Maayaa. These objects seem different and seem to

serve different purposes to such a person. If such a person worships in front of

a low level form of Vishnu that one is able to relate to, e.g. homam fire or an

idol, one can make faster progress towards being able to see the underlying

Vishnu in all and not be perturbed.

 

One who *realizes* the all-pervading nature of Vishnu and has perfect surrender

has an equanimous vision and any temporary impurity in such a mind, coming due

to contact with others, is indeed cast aside by merely thinking of Vishnu's

name. When such a person chants Vishnu's name, his mind is *established* in

Vishnu and he automatically becomes perfectly pure. But there *are* millions who

may say Vishnu's name thousands of times and yet be beset with many impure

thoughts.

 

It is not that Vishnu's name is not pure enough. Let me give an analogy. Sun may

be shining bright in the sky, but a room with very dirty glass windows all

around may be getting very little light. If one cleans the windows or opens

them, more light may start coming in. Sun is the same in both the cases and it

is the window that makes the difference. Similarly, Vishnu and his sattwa is

present everywhere and always. But an impure mind may be thinking of all kinds

of things even when chanting Vishnu's name and mere chanting a name does not

ensure purity. It has only a small impact for normal people. Still, if that is

all one can do, excellent, go ahead and do it. It will work over time.

 

But, if one is *willing* to try, there are other means given in scriptures and

mentioned by rishis such as Parasara. To a realized person, chanting Vishnu's

name a few times and offering Vishnu sahasra naama in homam fire is

non-different. But, for a normal person, they are different and work with

different speeds. As I said, proof of the pudding is in eating it.

 

It is one thing to quote shastras and yet another to understand them in the

right perspective. Shastras have many statements that seem to contradict each

other when one is missing the right perspective.

 

* * *

 

> However, if you remember, you had stated that the start of the

> spiritual sÄÂdhana is always with GaṇeÅ›a mantra dÄ«ká¹£a

†"

> particularly emphasizing on Ganapati homam. To this you had

> quoted the following †"

 

When Dev Sarkar asked me to recommend a specific homam to him, I suggested to do

Ganapathi homam for a few months and switch to whatever he likes. The quotes in

question are only to show that the path I showed is sanctioned by scriptures and

*not* to show that it is the only path. I gave the quotes when *you* asked for

scriptural backing of the path I showed.

 

I clearly said: " I want to be absolutely clear about one thing. I have nothing

against any mantra or sadhana. I am happy if more people do sadhana, no matter

what sadhana. It can be Mahamantra, Vishnu sahasra naama, Venkateswara mantra,

Chandipath, Lalitasahasra naama, Panchadasi, Savitru Gayatri, Sri Rudram,

Ganapathi atharva seersham or anything. It can be japam, homam or just selfless

service to fellow beings. I am happy if more people do spiritual sadhana and

overcome their weaknesses. "

 

I may give specific advice based on my knowledge, experience and understanding,

but I am not dogmatic. In fact, no dogma can be perfect, for Truth is too subtle

to be captured by any dogmatic principles. I am happier and happier as more and

more people on earth make progress towards reaching that Truth, using whatever

tools they have access to and feel attracted to!

 

* * *

 

> > Flaw is not in mantra, but in the mind. Each mantra protects the

> > mind. The mechanism of this protection may or may not work fast

> > depending on how impure and flawed a particular *mind* is.

>

> It is evident that you have not read any book, not a single one, on

> mantra shastra and are now trying to pose like an expert. I have

> nothing more to say beyond this.

 

I did read what was meant to be read by me, I did experience what was meant to

be experienced by me, I do know what was meant to be known by me and I do share

what is meant to be shared by me.

 

Some may think I am " an expert " and some may think I am an ignoramus, depending

on the play of kaarmik debts and depending on their mental conditioning. I

myself never said any such things.

 

One who does not expect *anything* from *anybody* in return for what one does,

need not " pose like " anybody. Such a person can just be oneself!

 

* * *

 

> Please do not write to me or disturb this list with your new

> theories...

> I will be saying goodbye. It was nice knowing you for the time

> we did associate.

 

I am sorry to know that you were " disturbed " .

 

Good bye and good luck. Thank you for the knowledge you gave me and also for

redirecting me to rishis like Parasara. You humbly and honestly told me in the

early years that you had a little knowledge that you were given in a short

period of time by your elders and that this hurriedly accumulated knowledge may

have many errors. You told me to work hard and honestly to clean it up and

refine it. I will continue that work until my spiritual master asks me to leave

Jyotish.

 

> Firstly, please thank your spiritual master for his beautiful

> words. They summarize the avadhuta in a nutshell.

 

I will.

 

* * *

 

Namaste friends,

 

As Sanjay ji effectively asked to stop posting such mails to sohamsa, I will

stop posting to sohamsa. I will be posting my astrological mails only to

vedic astrology and . Those who are interested in

reading my reasearch and independent interpretation of the teachings of Parasara

and other rishis in the coming months (and perhaps years) may want to find some

way of having access to those writings.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote:

>

> oṠgurave namaḥ

>

> Dear Narasiá¹Âha

>

> Firstly, please thank your spiritual master for his beautiful words. They

summarize the avadhuta in a nutshell.

>

> However, if you remember, you had stated that the start of the spiritual

sÄÂdhana is always with GaṇeÅ›a mantra dÄ«ká¹£a –

particularly emphasizing on Ganapati homam. To this you had quoted the following

–

>

> Narasiá¹Âha wrote:

>

> > (1) Relevance of Ganapathi: Punaranic saying " Kalau Chandi Vinayakau "

(Chandi and Ganapathi save one in Kali).

> > (2) Importance of Ganapathi worship at the beginning: The puranic story of

how Ganesha became the ruler of overcoming obstacles. There can be obstacles

even when doing sadhana of a specific deity (e.g. Krishna, Chandi, Shiva, Vishnu

etc). Worship of Ganesha at the beginning is helpful. So, when asked which homam

is good, I suggested to do Ganapathi homam for a while and then switch to

whatever he feels an affinity to.

> > (3) Ganapathi being in the Mooladhara and taking care of material life:

Ganapathi atharva seersham

> > (4) Ganapathi controlling the opening of sushumna: Ganapathi's puraanic

prayer of 108 names

>

> My answers to the above are –

>

> (1) Kalau Chandi Vinayaka refers to the importance of handling the nodes

RÄÂhu and Ketu during dark periods (can also be interpreted as Kali Yuga)

through the worship of Chandi and Vinayaka. Now, you are missing the finer point

here in that DurgÄ has many forms and the particular form for dealing with

the evil of RÄÂhu is Chandi as She dances the TÄÂṇá¸Âava with

Chandesvara Śiva. Similarly, there are many forms of Gaṇeśa and the

particualr form associated with Kali Yuga RÄÂÅ›i (Makara –

Capricorn) is Vinayaka as per the 12 names of Gaṇeśa taught by

Ã…Å¡rÄ« NÄÂrada Muni. Therefore the particular dictum is far more precise in

its meaning. In any case, it does not tell us that this is the way to start the

sÄÂdhana nor does it give any other purpose other than the overcoming of the

nodal effects related to the evils of Kali Yuga rÄÂÅ›i (highest) or the

darkness caused by this yuga.

>

> (2) Worship of Gaṇeśa in the beginning is due to the blessings of

Śiva – every other reason you give is secondary. However, this again

does not mean that the first dÄ«ká¹£a mantra which is done for sÄÂdhana

should be that of Gaṇeśa. It only means that whenever there is any

spiritual activity, we need to worship ganesa in the beggining to remove the

obstacles. Hence the name Vighnesvara or Vighnaraja. Further, you advise to do

Gaṇeśa homam for a while and switch over is not a good spiritual

advise. If the person is going to be a Gaṇeśa sadhaka then he has to

complete the number of homam which is prescribed in the shastra. He has to

complete the purascharana for the completion of the sÄÂdhana. To stop at any

time based on whim and fancy is not good.

>

> (3) MÅ«lÄÂdhÄÂra chakra is one of the seven chakras. These seven

important knots (gaNThi in oriya, I don;t know what this is in hindi) are among

the few thousand in the body of which about 64 are crucial. Among these most

important nine, the seven rest along the spine (although spiritual spine would

be better term). Now simply because Gaṇeśa is the devatĠof the

MÅ«lÄÂdhÄÂra, why should we have this as the first dÄ«ká¹£a mantra?

In any case, how did you arrive at ganapati Atharva Seersham for the muladhara?

What about the very pot that holds this shakti? Is that vessel, called *kumbha*

not important and then how do we worship the kumbha if not as Viṣṇu

with Varuṇa in the holy waters in it? Therefore even from the

kuṇá¸ÂalinÄ« perspective, the first pujÄ should be to

Viṣṇu and for this Yuga to Kṛṣṇa as He is the

Viṣṇu Yuga avatÄÂra.

>

> (4) Suṣumna is Sarasvatī, GaṅgĠand Yamuna being the other

two important nÄÂá¸Âi interwining around the suá¹£umna. Every *creator*

devatĠhas the power to open the suṣumna. Why only Gaṇeśa?

Brahma has the first power as the spouse of Sarasvatī and this is how the

nada starts when the vina of Sarasvatī plays. Every devatĠis worshipped

by the devout as *aja* to have this potential to open the suá¹£umna. So to

say that only Gaṇeśa and that too only the 108 names of

Gaṇeśa can do so is narrow to my mind. Further, is there any shastric

refereence in any classical text to support your claim?

>

> Narasiá¹Âha wrote:

>

> > Yes, mahamantra is unbelievably pure and eventually purifies one who chants

it everyday (ideally, 16x108 times or more).

>

> My answers to the above are –

>

> You have assumed that I said Mahamantra by which I assume you meant the Yuga

Santarana Mantra of 16 words and 32 syllables. Now I never said any such thing.

I only said Kṛṣṇa mantra and clealy stated one authority

*Mantra Mahodadhih* in support of my claim. The argument being that there are so

many flaws even in mantras and unless one uses a prasiddha mantra, it is tough

to get siddhi.

>

> The paraá¹ÂparÄ has recommended some very specific mantra and only these

mantra are stated by me as well for everyone to start their learning with SJC.

Different paraá¹ÂparÄ may have different mantra. Spiritual

paraá¹ÂparÄ normally always start with the Kṛṣṇa bÄ«ja

mantra – kliiM. At SJC we start with either *om kṛṣṇa

guru*, *hare rama kṛṣṇa* ...or one of the others which are also

Kṛṣṇa mantras (including that of VedavyÄÂsa – who was

Kṛṣṇa dvaipayana). Importance is given to the oneness in the

teachings of a lineage that emanates from this great union of Śrī

Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Dvipäyana VedavyÄÂsa

supported by all toher souls to re-establish dharma for the benefit of humanity.

>

> Therefore only a kṛṣṇa mantra should be used as the starting

point as He alone is the Yuga avatÄÂra and He alone holds the key to eveything

else happening in this yuga. To be sure that whatever we do is always under His

umbrella, we need to first have this as our first sÄÂdhana before we do other

sÄÂdhana.

>

>

>

> Narasiá¹Âha wrote:

>

> > Flaw is not in mantra, but in the mind. Each mantra protects the mind. The

mechanism of this protection may or may not work fast depending on how impure

and flawed a particular *mind* is.

>

> My answers to the above are –

>

> It is evident that you have not read any book, not a single one, on mantra

shastra and are now trying to pose like an expert. I have nothing more to say

beyond this. Unless you read, we cannot discuss further as there is nothing to

debate about. You are talking about things you believe or imagine to believe

whereas I am quoting a scriptural authority. This discussion is over.

>

>

>

> Narasiá¹Âha wrote:

>

> > Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only the one who

is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is used as the medium for

offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its surroundings and the delivery of the

mantra. When Parasara taught various remedies in BPHS, he mentioned homam

everywhere, for every problem. If you are not pure, take help of the one who is

not only pure but also purifies whatever he comes in contact with!

>

> My answers to the above are –

>

> To that extent, those verses in Bá¹›hat ParÄÂÅ›ara are accurate as

ParÄÂÅ›ara lived in another Yuga. He had passed before the advent of Kali

Yuga, falling prey to wolves as he allow his son and another to make their

escape. In that Yuga, the practise of hamam as a means of sÄÂdhana was

considered most apporpriate as the general people were very learned and experts

in these rituals. In Kali Yuga, the situation is different and your prescription

of Homam as the ultimate means of sahdhana is definitely wrong. My reference is

the Shiva PurÄÂṇa where the SÄÂdhana and Saadhya is specifically

described and this ritual comes under the *medium or madhyama* sÄÂdhana. Once

again you have interpolated and assumed that something is right based on what

you believe rather than scriptural knowedge of the subject matter.

>

> Secondly, you state that Agni is a carrier and the means to carry our prayers.

And then you say that lighting a fire (physical fire – homam) will help

to carry those prayers to God. Thats fine, butthere are other forms of agni

which are far more potent than lighting that fire in the sacrificial pit and

that too by one who is not qualified to do so. Pavaka refers to Agni alright but

then so does jatavedas and so many other names.

>

> And most interestingly, Agni has seven tongues and they have seven bīja

mantra and then the most potent of these is the kliiM bīja as it is the

carrier of prayers to the Gods ... now is this not the Kṛṣṇa

bīja? Then the Kṛṣṇa bīja is also the Agni bīja for

carrying the prayers to the Gods. So you see no matter where you trun,

Kṛṣṇa is there. That is why He is JagannÄÂth.

>

> If you study the daily spiritual practise taught in mantra Mahodadhih and

other books, the first thing to do on awakening is always to remember

Kṛṣṇa. The rest of the day, the pujas and everything else will

fall in place. Those who miss this one thing have missed the sÄÂdhana for the

day – the continue to sleep even with their eyes open and experiencing

everything in the day.

>

> In reality, there is only one purifier and His name is chanted at the time of

all purification – it is the name of Kṛṣṇa (or

Viṣṇu). This process is called Achamana. The *apavitra pavitro va

....* prayer is a clear confirmation of the purification we seek from His grace.

>

> It is evident that you will keep arguing with me giving all sorts of silly

arguments and points and without any shastraic references. So my debate and

discusison end here. I will not be replying any further to you as I am not sure

about the purity of your intentions in this regard. Strangely you seem to be on

a binge to attack everything where the word tradition is added ... while trying

to redefine it. Maybe it is the Sun in the 7th house ... something about the

seventh Āditya.

>

> Please do not write to me or disturb this list with your new theories of what

you think ParÄÂÅ›ara meant and how the whole of India for the past thousand

years or so, since varahamihira at least, is definitely wrong!!! There is a

public forum for all that – Vedic Astrology list where everything under

the Sun is acceptable. Please use that forum. I am not sure whether Śrī

JagannÄÂth Center would like to associate with that forum in the future as it

has ceased to serve the purpose of its creation.

>

> I will be saying goodbye. It was nice knowing you for the time we did

associate.

>

> PS. You will surely want to give a very long reply ..a book maybe, to this.

You can send it to VA list. Someone will forward it to me.

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Sanjay Rath

 

sohamsa , " pvr108 " <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> > What is the opinion of your spiritual master?

> > Does he have an opinion on this?

>

> I forwarded your mail to him and here is his reply..

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------

>

> Dear Narasimha, Sanjay and others

>

> Ganesha. Why should one worship Ganesha or Rudra or Chandika or Mahakala.

> In fact can anybody actually worship any deity.

>

> 1. The fact of the matter is that one's mind will be drawn to the worship of

deities which one has worshipped in past lives.

> 2. But, whether one will achive or not with that aspect of the divine is based

on

> a. What is the residue of karmas which one has left? Karana Shareera

basically is responsible for this.One in a million

> individuals will achieve the burning of the Karana Shareera. But when

this is being done, then every karma done to that person

> to his body or mind, good or bad must have an almost hundred times more

intensity result, like for like.

>

> b. What is the intensity of the desire of that person for the Divine

Beloved?

> Which again boils down to the amount of karmas left in that Karana

Shareera. The thicker the overlay of karmas, the lesser the desire to actually

perform any kind of worship.

>

> People talk about mantras, mahamantras, and all this.

> I find that it simply does not matter.

> Every mantra is a name (nam), every nam has a form (rupa).

> So, when the mantra is chanted, the rupa is forming.

> Where is the rupa forming?

> In the physical body, mind, koshas and everywhere.

> So the deity will actually occupy the person.

> But when can this happen?

> Only when the body is dead. Not dead physically, but in a different sense.

> ie. ASANA: the mind forgets the body exists after a few hours of sitting

really still for a few hours a day.

> Pranayana: the mind reflects on the breath and feels it is alive, it tries

to still the breath.

> Dhyana, the rupa of the deity forms in the mind, remember the body is dead

for the mind at this stage.

> Dharana: The mind percieves that form of God which is the object of the

consciousness, but duality exists.

> Pratyahara: a phenomenon where the eyes do not see, the ears do not hear.

> Samadhi: the rupa is so well established, that the ultimate form of that

rupa, that mantra, the Nirguna manifests.

>

> So the emptiness must come about in the mind and body about one's own identity

before God fills it up with His form.

> So, mantra is simply a tool to make us realise God. Anybody can do mantras,

but most people's internal fire or Agni is

> not really charged up to digest these.

> Japa is no doubt great, but it is involved with the purification of air,

whereas fire is involved in the purification of internal fire.

> When internal fire is purified, then the ability to visualise your deity

becomes stronger. Hence homam in this age is easy and moreover, Agni is a living

God, pratyaksha Devata who can be seen by your physical eyes.

> It moves, eats, talks with the sadhaka and finally when it dies, it continues

to live on within the sadhaka.

> In Kali Yuga, this ability to call a living God into the house is so powerful

and so exhalting that later on japa after homam

> brings very fast results.

> Why Ganesha? Most people do not want spirituality, and in any case are not

destined to be spiritual in this lifetime, so the only way they will pursue some

sadhana is if they are given some material result quite quickly by their

sadhana.

> Those who have problems in career, litigation, problems with marriage or in

finding life partner, problems with education or speech can really advance their

mundane satisfaction with Ganapati homa.

> I have seen this numerous times myself with people who are in this movement

and outside.

> That is not to say that Ganapati can't give Mukti. The ultimate form of

Ganapati is the word of God.

> And He is sakshama in giving Mukti as well.

>

> The mahamantras are many and I agree that some may say that lets do

this(mahamantras) first.

> BUT,

> The Vedic mahamantras require the kind of intonation so perfect with

visualisation at different bits of the body with various syllables, that for

most people this is not feasible, especially since their Sanskrit itself is

somewhat imperfect.(remember name is form, if name is not repeated properly then

how will the form be?)(example, of someone who repeated bhakshati for rakshati

in Pune many years ago).

> And then there are mahamantras which are ok with almost any intonation. If

someone wants to follow this that is also ok.

> But, with any mantra sadhana, Ganesha sadhana is anivarya. Because, the

entrance to Shakti at Sushumna is guarded by Him.

>

> Again some doubt comes into people's heads about some mantras harming them

when recited:

> If somebody experiences bad things when a mantra of a certain deity is recited

then all it means is that the karmas of the Karana shareera are being dealt

with(by the deity) quite fast, so they have to be experienced. It actually means

that the Devata is close and more intense sadhana is needed.

>

> Actually, all this business about mantra and mahamantra is immaterial, Allah

malik Hai, voh sab janta hai.

> Us parvardigar se prarthana kar, woh sab raste khol deta hai.

>

> With humility

> Manish

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> >

> > oṠgurave namaḥ

> >

> > Dear Narasiá¹Âha

> >

> > Before I venture on this ...is this your opinion? What is the opinion of

your spiritual master? Does he have an opinion on this?

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

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> >

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> >

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> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

pvr108

> > 16 September 2009 01:05

> > sohamsa

> > Spiritual sadhana (Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva...)

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Yes, mahamantra is unbelievably pure and eventually purifies one who chants

it everyday (ideally, 16x108 times or more).

> >

> > > all mantra and pujÄ have many flaws

> >

> > Flaw is not in mantra, but in the mind. Each mantra protects the mind. The

mechanism of this protection may or may not work fast depending on how impure

and flawed a particular *mind* is.

> >

> > Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only the one who

is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is used as the medium for

offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its surroundings and the delivery of the

mantra. When Parasara taught various remedies in BPHS, he mentioned homam

everywhere, for every problem. If you are not pure, take help of the one who is

not only pure but also purifies whatever he comes in contact with!

> >

> > One who spends 30 minutes or more everyday in any homam will know the effect

of fire on mind and can appreciate why fire is called " the purifier " and why

Parasara mentioned homam in pretty much every remedy.

> >

> > > Please quote your source in support

> >

> > (1) Relevance of Ganapathi: Punaranic saying " Kalau Chandi Vinayakau "

(Chandi and Ganapathi save one in Kali).

> > (2) Importance of Ganapathi worship at the beginning: The puranic story of

how Ganesha became the ruler of overcoming obstacles. There can be obstacles

even when doing sadhana of a specific deity (e.g. Krishna, Chandi, Shiva, Vishnu

etc). Worship of Ganesha at the beginning is helpful. So, when asked which homam

is good, I suggested to do Ganapathi homam for a while and then switch to

whatever he feels an affinity to.

> > (3) Ganapathi being in the Mooladhara and taking care of material life:

Ganapathi atharva seersham

> > (4) Ganapathi controlling the opening of sushumna: Ganapathi's puraanic

prayer of 108 names

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > I want to be absolutely clear about one thing. I have nothing against any

mantra or sadhana. I am happy if more people do sadhana, no matter what sadhana.

It can be Mahamantra, Vishnu sahasra naama, Venkateswara mantra, Chandipath,

Lalitasahasra naama, Panchadasi, Savitru Gayatri, Sri Rudram, Ganapathi atharva

seersham or anything. It can be japam, homam or just selfless service to fellow

beings. I am happy if more people do spiritual sadhana and overcome their

weaknesses.

> >

> > But, if one asks for my advice based on my understanding of shastras, I

suggest Ganapathi sadhana as appropriate in the beginning to remove obstacles

from one's spiritual sadhana and then the main sadhana to the chosen deity.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > -------------------------

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sanjay

Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> > > oṠgurave namaḥ

> > >

> > > Dear Narasiá¹ÂÂha

> > >

> > > I think the best way to start sÄÂÂdhana is to start reciting the

Mahamantra of Kali yuga as all mantra and pujÄ have many flaws and these

can cause suffering when not done by experts. Only mantra with the name of

Krishna have no flaws ... I quote Mantra Mahodadhih in support

> > >

> > > Please quote your source in support

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > >

> > > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com

> > >

> > > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > >

> > > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > >

> > > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

[sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On Behalf

Of Narasimha PVR Rao

> > > 15 September 2009 02:32

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > > Explaining clearly the traits of Brahmana , Kshatriya & Vaisya

> > > > at the context of learning & sharing of knowledge was very

> > > > nicely said. Knowledge is Power but sharing it gives enlightment.

> > >

> > > Knowledge is indeed Power. However, looking at one's own knowledge as

power, feeling proud and wanting to get some influence or authority over people

using it is kshatriya attitude. It does not lead to enlightenment. Such attitude

restricts the blooming of (and also the benefit to the world from) one's

knowledge.

> > >

> > > One should humbly look at oneself as an instrument of god and operate

guided by one's sense of dharma, without being sensitive to whether others are

praising or criticizing one. Swami Vivekananda famously said once that

Ramakrishna could have created 100 Vivekanandas from sand and whatever he was

and did was due to his guru's greatness. That is what I mean by humbly looking

at oneself as an instrument. BTW, Swamiji was not one to show off fake humility.

He spoke his mind frankly and always stood up for what he believed in, with

unmatched honesty, integrity, conviction and fearlessness.

> > >

> > > Surrender to god, ask for nothing (including any knowledge), be grateful

for whatEVER He gives (including any knowledge) and do what you see as your

dharma with what he gives you. THAT is the spirit of a braahmana.

> > >

> > > Interestingly, one with a pure braahmana attitude automatically becomes

powerful. One who wants power and control is upset when that is undermined. One

who wants money and profits is upset when that is underminded. How can anyone

upset one who wants nothing and does whatever one *can* with whatever one *has*?

Freedom from desires (including desires related to knowledge) is the highest

power.

> > >

> > > In not-so-old days, braahmanas roamed this earth who very pure like fire,

who had no desires and who fulfilled what they saw as their dharma without any

expectations or inhibitions. No wonder such braahmanas exuded such power that

the whole world was in awe of them and even mighty kings bowed before their

" power " .

> > >

> > > > Your mail has prompted me to delve into the homan section in you

> > > > website and shortly I will start with the homan with the various

> > > > templates you have cited in your site. PVRji, would you kindly

> > > > advise us which homan to start with and what are the benefits

> > > > one can get from the various homan's stated in your site.

> > > > (Thanks for your time and advises).

> > >

> > > Ganapathi homam is the best homam for anybody to start with. As a

spiritual sadhana, it is a good idea to do Ganapathi homam for a few months

before starting any other homam. Ganapathi controls the mooladhara chakra, as

well as the the opening of the sushumna nadi. Thus, he protects one's material

life and enables spiritual progress. Moreover, Ganapathi sadhana pleases Ketu

and that can help in one's astrology pursuits too.

> > >

> > > > My humble prayers to our Creator to bless with you with all

> > > > the knowledge so that you can share it with us

> > >

> > > My humble prayers to the Mother to create a bunch of purified Braahminical

Jyotishis and bless them with perfect knowledge so that the world re-awakens and

sanatana dharma is re-estalished firmly on this earth..

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > -------------------------

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

<sohamsa%40> , Dev Sarkar <sarkar_dbx@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > PVRji Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > Your mail , reply, clarifications and the write-ups has been quite an

enlightening experience for student of astrology like me.

> > > >

> > > > Explaining clearly the traits of Brahmana , Kshatriya & Vaisya at the

context of learning & sharing of knowledge was very nicely said. Knowledge is

Power but sharing it gives enlightment.

> > > >

> > > > Your mail has prompted me to delve into the homan section in you website

and shortly I will start with the homan with the various templates you have

cited in your site. PVRji, would you kindly advise us which homan to start with

and what are the benefits one can get from the various homan's stated in your

site. (Thanks for your time and advises).

> > > >

> > > > My humble prayers to our Creator to bless with you with all the

knowledge so that you can share it with us for the development of our studies

and for students like me.

> > > >

> > > > With Respects,

> > > >

> > > > Devbrato Sarkar

> > > >

> > > > " Wealth is not just about making the money BUT making the MAN while he

is making money " .

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> > > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra

> > > > sjc-guru <sjc-guru%40>

<sjc-guru%40> ,

<%40> <%40>

, sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

<sohamsa%40> , sjcBoston

<sjcBoston%40> <sjcBoston%40> ,

vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>

<vedic astrology%40>

> > > > Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 11:37 PM

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Rajarshi,

> > > >

> > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes sense

logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you would expect it to

apply. That's all.

> > > >

> > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all answers.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot.

> > > >

> > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the planetary special

lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an example sometime back.

> > > >

> > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses and so many

nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests using many examples,

one can arrive at so many formulas using what I gave as a template.

> > > >

> > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house reckoned

from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned from AmK in SBC

have an influence of the same planet and that planet is also associated with a

trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a position of power and influence in

one's work. We are basically looking for synergy between (a) the professional

(D-10) effort (6th) and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of

work in one (AmK) and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence

(GL).

> > > >

> > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star counted

anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and Venus. In

D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus

owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th

house from GL.

> > > >

> > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing Venus, the

10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and Jupiter. In D-10, the

6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg. Jupiter owns it. In rasi chart,

Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL.

> > > >

> > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu, the 10th

star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has vedha from nodes

and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Pi containing Rahu

counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and Mercury aspect it from Ta. In rasi

chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord from GL.

> > > >

> > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing Venus, the

10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from

Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing Venus is Ge owned by

Mercury and only Mercury aspects it. In rasi chart, Mercury is the dispositor of

the 5th and 9th lords from GL and is with them, aspecting GL.

> > > >

> > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun, the 10th

star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and aspect from Mars and

Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing Sun is Vi owned and occupied

by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from Pi. In rasi chart, Mercury and Mars are

in GL and Mars owns the 5th from GL.

> > > >

> > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing Jupiter, the 10th

star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but aspected by Mercury, Jupiter

and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp containing Jupiter is Ge owned by

Mercury and aspected by Venus from Sg. In rasi chart, Mercury and Venus are in

the 9th house from GL.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Bottomline:

> > > >

> > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra chakra (SBC),

various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at the mental level (SBC),

what factor at the level of a specific environment in life (i.e. a divisional

chart, examples of various environments shown in various divisional charts are -

professional in D-10, parental in D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20,

financial in D-2 etc) and what factor at the physical level (rasi chart) need to

have a synergy, in order to produce a specific result?

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum- Jyotishis,

> > > >

> > > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2 cents if

this makes no sense to you.

> > > >

> > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years back and

used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3 am and get up at 6

am. I used to spend long hours formulating principles and testing them out on

charts, changing JHora sometimes for it. After coming home from work, I used to

spend as much time on astrology study and research, as I used to spend on my

main profession during the day.

> > > >

> > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped spending that

much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish research went up. Some ideas

that struck to my mind at the end of nice meditation sessions turned out to be

good and simply worked in several charts that I tried out later.

> > > >

> > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever knowledge

you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god and rishis and

surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish knowledge with the spirit

of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares about nothing other than knowledge and

liberation. Kshatriya is one who cares about power, authority and control over

others. Vaisya is one who cares about money. Do not look at your Jyotish

knowledge as a means to have some control or authority over people and do not

feel proud of your knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your

Jyotish knowledge as a means to get money and try to increase your gains, like a

vaishya. Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish knowledge and surrender

to god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you then.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in Jyotish

completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish knowledge. But so

be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever knowledge *you need* " . You don't

know what you really need, but god does! Complete surrender means not asking for

any specific thing and accepting whatever comes one's way!

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Reply to Mail 2 below:

> > > >

> > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother when she was

pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial beings on a regular

basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after the delivery.

> > > >

> > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you refer to,

that *he himself* would come as a son.

> > > >

> > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself declared

should be the final word.

> > > >

> > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I sometimes go into

a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire to find some principle

based on abhisheka nakshatra *before* meditation started, it completely vanished

from my consciousness as meditation deepened and the regular self-awareness

vanished too. Then I was in a nice spiritual state where the logical mind and

intuitive mind were very very calm without much mental activity. When I was

coming back to a state of normal self-awareness from such a state, I just became

aware of a thought. It felt like it was someone's thought just flowing in the

universe and I happened to be on the same wavelength and was able to observe it.

> > > >

> > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to me. I did

not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I express my gratitude to

Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and then this thought came and moreover

this principle is far more logical and far more accurate than anything I was

able to synthesize using my rational and intuitive minds before. If one begged

the king for money and suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's

backyard by an unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the

coins seem to be made of real gold..

> > > >

> > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you have some

really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask Agni to carry an

oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis, without a separate invocation..

For example, if your gotra is Goutama, you can offer an oblation in the fire

while saying " om gautamaaya svaahaa. gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to

offer to Jupiter, you can offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om

bR^ihaspataye svaahaa. bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main

homam and before you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya, Prajapati,

Vishnu and Shiva.

> > > >

> > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha invocation

from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template and follow that

procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM paM paraasharaaya namaH "

or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse for Parasara below. Irresepctive

of the exact procedure you used, the keys to success are (a) the strength of

belief that Parasara is there in fire and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use

whatever procedure maximizes those aspects in you.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana

> > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Narasimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > Very good work.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very accurate

results.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a few queries:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled, can we

safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest spiritual experience

of Moksha?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha aspects the

12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or 9th in rasi, or vice

versa, can we conclude that the person is spiritual but may not reach the

highest realization?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this person cannot

attain moksha in that life time?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot.

> > > > >

> > > > > -Regards

> > > > > Rajarshi

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ ------

> > > > >

> > > > > Mail 2:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams

> > > > >

> > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not quote this

email

> > > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would benefit a

larger

> > > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.*

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from Maharishi

> > > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as independent charts

and

> > > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between rasi and

vargas

> > > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here!

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue light

emanated

> > > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna' s mother went to the

temple and

> > > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if she was

pregnant

> > > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna' s father had a dream

at Gaya

> > > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an empirical

> > > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the judgement was

arrived

> > > > > at.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation?

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had been

toying with

> > > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and Jaimini in the

homam,

> > > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the jyotisa

shastra..

> > > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I invoke

Maharishi

> > > > > Jaimini in the homan?

> > > > >

> > > > > best regards

> > > > > <name deleted>

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> > > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka Nakshatra

> > > > > sohamsa@ .com, vedic astrology,

, sjcBoston@grou ps.com, sjc-guru@

s.com

> > > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding Ramakrishna

Paramhamsa's chart:

> > > > >

> > > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I have

never come across anything as close to this chart which represents a perfect

incarnation of Lord Shiva. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of " Shiva " shown by

the chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself revealed

and religious authorities at his time opined.

> > > > >

> > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra (Swami

Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his divinity if he declares

his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness and suffering. " As if he detected

the thought, Ramakrishna said to Narendra, " you still have doubts? He who was

Rama and Krishna before is in this body now. And I do not mean it in your

vedantic sense! "

> > > > >

> > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic sense and

referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he clearly revealed that he

was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ramakrishna never spoke a lie and valued

truthfulness highly. The words of the realized man in question himself must be

more reliable than questionable and unreliable astrological principles.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the time studied

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was being trained by

Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and physical marks that confirmed

to them that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. They declared him to be an

incarnation of Vishnu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and even

called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as hallucinations and plays of

the mind. He only accepted the formless. Ramakrishna slowly created in him

respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa that governs duality. Well, it takes one with

purified Vishnu tattva to create respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with

raw Shiva tattva. Moreover, it was at the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas

that Vivekananda finally realized his true nature.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and Jupiter is

supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show Vishnu, one may be

tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu is sishya and attribute Shiva

tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair. However, that is no logic. Jupiter is not

just Sadashiva, he is Jagannath too. Some of Vishnu's avataras have been the

greatest gurus. Krishna is the ultimate jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad

Gita, the greatest spiritual teaching ever.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya pair from a

few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi Shankara. Govinda

Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated master. He too had several great

sishyas. His main sishya Aadi Shankara is considered an incarnation of Lord

Shiva and Govinda Bhagavatpada is considered to be of Vishnu tattwa.

> > > > >

> > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha of Shiva

(Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must have had an amsha

of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that would be no logic at all!

Shiva himself said that he would be born as Aadi Shankara.

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi Shankara and

Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a re-incarnation of Aadi

Shankara.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > >

> > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord (as per

Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of a high level soul

having incarnated " . You use the charts of Ramakrishna and Vivekananda and a

questionable chart of Lord Krishna to justify it.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana Maharshi,

Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami Sivananda, which do

not satisfy the criterion. All of them are definitely " high level souls having

incarnated " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important formula based

on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet mapping for one specific

dasa scheme among many, as taught by Parasara. Secondly, the space of Vimsottari

lord of abhisheka nakshtra contains nine planets, while the space of chara

karakas contains eight planets. A formula based on equating them is mixing up

two unequal sets. That is illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many

examples and works in just two (third example is based on questionable data).

Thus, it sounds like a formula constructed based on an observation which was

made based on just 2-3 charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage of

applicable charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based on

abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for liberation,

that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was unsuccessful. Each formula

works in some and fails in some. The example charts I chose are all

unquestionably very high caliber spiritual people.

> > > > >

> > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily Chandi

homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on abhisheka

nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable charts. The formula

that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra -

reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra

(SBC) from a planet that is also associated with (a) the 12th house from chara

aatma kaaraka in D-20 chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart.

If chara aatma kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as

counting of the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house from AK in

it shows the liberation of individual soul as one progresses spiritually.

Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra space and abhisheka (28th)

nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of soul in the nakshatra space. Planet

having an influence on both the factors supports spiritual liberation. The 5th

and 9th from lagna show poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences

all the three factors, that planet can suggest liberation. The reverse counting

from Rahu is because Rahu goes in reverse. Even when defining argala, Parasara

asked to reckon argalas and virodha argalas based on houses from Rahu and Ketu

in anti-zodiacal order.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings poorvapunya and

bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence (lagna) and promotes liberation

(12th house/28th star) of individual soul (AK) in the conscious mental plane

(SBC) and the plane of spiritual activity (D-20).

> > > > >

> > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa lordships.

It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for rasis.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana Maharshi, Swami

Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami Sivananda. It worked in all

the charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th star from

him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In D-20, Moon is in Ta and

the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars is the 5th lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star from him

counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only from Saturn. In

D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn

owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t star from him

is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and Saturn. In D-20, Sun is

in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th

house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th star from

him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In

D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp. In rasi, Jupiter occupies

the 5th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in Chitra. The

28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and Ketu and aspect from

Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and Jupiter owns the 12th while Rahu

and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter owns 5th and occupies 9th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th star from

him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects it. In D-20, Rahu is

in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally is Cp and Sun aspects it. In

rasi, Sun is the 9th lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The 28th star

from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC and Saturn aspects

it.. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is Aq. Saturn and Rahu own it and

Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna lord in 9th house.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time continuum

when living here in a body can bless us even after they leave earth. To those of

you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly and want to surrender to Parasara

and get some blessings from him, I suggest making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis

(oblations) of ghee at the beginning of uttaraangam while saying one of the

following:

> > > > >

> > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM

> > > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM. svaahaa.

paraasharaayedaM na mama.

> > > > >

> > > > > or

> > > > >

> > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay, Narasimha,

Namaste!! I am not a scholar in any manner,

just a lay man. If you dont like what I say, please feel free to dismiss

it as the prattling of an ignoramus.

 

What I would submit from what little I have seen with my Guru's grace

is that there is no One answer. The right answer always depends on ones

Guru parampara. Each Guru parampara has its right or wrong, its own way

of thinking and doing- all of which is meant for the people belonging to

that parampara to achieve the highest divine grace.

 

Even when the upasana devatha is the same there can be differences in

prayoga according to the Guru parampara. Even the same Guru reveals

things a bit differently to each sishya until one reaches the highest

stage( or so I have heard).

 

 

 

Warm Regards,

 

Shyam

 

On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 14:52 -0400, Narasimha PVR Rao wrote:

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> Regarding Kali yuga and Parasara's teachings on homam:

>

> > > Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only

> > > the one who is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is

> > > used as the medium for offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its

> > > surroundings and the delivery of the mantra. When Parasara taught

> > > various remedies in BPHS, he mentioned homam everywhere, for every

> > > problem. If you are not pure, take help of the one who is not only

> > > pure but also purifies whatever he comes in contact with!

> >

> > To that extent, those verses in Bá¹›hat ParÄÂÅ›ara are accurate as

> > ParÄÂÅ›ara lived in another Yuga. He had passed before the advent

> > of Kali Yuga, falling prey to wolves as he allow his son and another

> > to make their escape. In that Yuga, the practise of hamam as a means

> > of sÄÂdhana was considered most apporpriate as the general people

> > were very learned and experts in these rituals. In Kali Yuga, the

> > situation is different and your prescription of Homam as the

> ultimate

> > means of sahdhana is definitely wrong.

>

> Parasara specifically referred to *Kali yuga* a few times in BPHS. He

> specifically mentioned the short-comings of people of Kali yuga and

> said he would teach techniques that would benefit them. Though he was

> teaching the subject near the end of Dwapara yuga, he made it amply

> clear that he had the people of Kali yuga in mind!

>

> Thus, your suggestion that homam (which is embedded in most of

> Parasara's remedies) is not applicable in Kali yuga is not acceptable.

>

> I did not use the word " ultimate " . I say that homam is one of the most

> effective sadhanas available today. Purity of mind, which is essential

> to success in sadhana, is so rare these days due to impurities

> everywhere and a powerful purifying factor like an external homam fire

> is very effective.

>

> Proof of the pudding is in eating it. Anyone who tries a homam on a

> regular basis for a few months will know the difference it makes,

> especially after the starting troubles are overcome.

>

> * * *

>

> > In reality, there is only one purifier and His name is chanted at

> > the time of all purification †" it is the name of Kṛṣṇa

> > (or Viṣṇu). This process is called Achamana. The *apavitra

> > pavitro va ...* prayer is a clear confirmation of the

> > purification we seek from His grace.

>

> Well, paavaka is one of the names of fire and it means " purifier " .

> Thus, your assertion of " only one " is wrong. Agni IS a purifier that

> you can bring near you.

>

> Of course, Agni is a form of Vishnu and one of his 1000 names.

> Actually, yaGYa is also a name of Vishnu. However, one who sees a

> homam, the fire in it, the doer of homam, the materials offered in

> homam etc as different objects, though all of them are mentioned as

> different names of Vishnu in Vishnu sahasra naama stotram, IS deluded

> by Vishnu Maayaa. These objects seem different and seem to serve

> different purposes to such a person. If such a person worships in

> front of a low level form of Vishnu that one is able to relate to,

> e.g. homam fire or an idol, one can make faster progress towards being

> able to see the underlying Vishnu in all and not be perturbed.

>

> One who *realizes* the all-pervading nature of Vishnu and has perfect

> surrender has an equanimous vision and any temporary impurity in such

> a mind, coming due to contact with others, is indeed cast aside by

> merely thinking of Vishnu's name. When such a person chants Vishnu's

> name, his mind is *established* in Vishnu and he automatically becomes

> perfectly pure. But there *are* millions who may say Vishnu's name

> thousands of times and yet be beset with many impure thoughts.

>

> It is not that Vishnu's name is not pure enough. Let me give an

> analogy. Sun may be shining bright in the sky, but a room with very

> dirty glass windows all around may be getting very little light. If

> one cleans the windows or opens them, more light may start coming in.

> Sun is the same in both the cases and it is the window that makes the

> difference. Similarly, Vishnu and his sattwa is present everywhere and

> always. But an impure mind may be thinking of all kinds of things even

> when chanting Vishnu's name and mere chanting a name does not ensure

> purity. It has only a small impact for normal people. Still, if that

> is all one can do, excellent, go ahead and do it. It will work over

> time.

>

> But, if one is *willing* to try, there are other means given in

> scriptures and mentioned by rishis such as Parasara. To a realized

> person, chanting Vishnu's name a few times and offering Vishnu sahasra

> naama in homam fire is non-different. But, for a normal person, they

> are different and work with different speeds. As I said, proof of the

> pudding is in eating it.

>

> It is one thing to quote shastras and yet another to understand them

> in the right perspective. Shastras have many statements that seem to

> contradict each other when one is missing the right perspective.

>

> * * *

>

> > However, if you remember, you had stated that the start of the

> > spiritual sÄÂdhana is always with GaṇeÅ›a mantra dÄ«ká¹£a

†"

> > particularly emphasizing on Ganapati homam. To this you had

> > quoted the following †"

>

> When Dev Sarkar asked me to recommend a specific homam to him, I

> suggested to do Ganapathi homam for a few months and switch to

> whatever he likes. The quotes in question are only to show that the

> path I showed is sanctioned by scriptures and *not* to show that it is

> the only path. I gave the quotes when *you* asked for scriptural

> backing of the path I showed.

>

> I clearly said: " I want to be absolutely clear about one thing. I have

> nothing against any mantra or sadhana. I am happy if more people do

> sadhana, no matter what sadhana. It can be Mahamantra, Vishnu sahasra

> naama, Venkateswara mantra, Chandipath, Lalitasahasra naama,

> Panchadasi, Savitru Gayatri, Sri Rudram, Ganapathi atharva seersham or

> anything. It can be japam, homam or just selfless service to fellow

> beings. I am happy if more people do spiritual sadhana and overcome

> their weaknesses. "

>

> I may give specific advice based on my knowledge, experience and

> understanding, but I am not dogmatic. In fact, no dogma can be

> perfect, for Truth is too subtle to be captured by any dogmatic

> principles. I am happier and happier as more and more people on earth

> make progress towards reaching that Truth, using whatever tools they

> have access to and feel attracted to!

>

> * * *

>

> > > Flaw is not in mantra, but in the mind. Each mantra protects the

> > > mind. The mechanism of this protection may or may not work fast

> > > depending on how impure and flawed a particular *mind* is.

> >

> > It is evident that you have not read any book, not a single one, on

> > mantra shastra and are now trying to pose like an expert. I have

> > nothing more to say beyond this.

>

> I did read what was meant to be read by me, I did experience what was

> meant to be experienced by me, I do know what was meant to be known by

> me and I do share what is meant to be shared by me.

>

> Some may think I am " an expert " and some may think I am an ignoramus,

> depending on the play of kaarmik debts and depending on their mental

> conditioning. I myself never said any such things.

>

> One who does not expect *anything* from *anybody* in return for what

> one does, need not " pose like " anybody. Such a person can just be

> oneself!

>

> * * *

>

> > Please do not write to me or disturb this list with your new

> > theories...

> > I will be saying goodbye. It was nice knowing you for the time

> > we did associate.

>

> I am sorry to know that you were " disturbed " .

>

> Good bye and good luck. Thank you for the knowledge you gave me and

> also for redirecting me to rishis like Parasara. You humbly and

> honestly told me in the early years that you had a little knowledge

> that you were given in a short period of time by your elders and that

> this hurriedly accumulated knowledge may have many errors. You told me

> to work hard and honestly to clean it up and refine it. I will

> continue that work until my spiritual master asks me to leave Jyotish.

>

> > Firstly, please thank your spiritual master for his beautiful

> > words. They summarize the avadhuta in a nutshell.

>

> I will.

>

> * * *

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> As Sanjay ji effectively asked to stop posting such mails to sohamsa,

> I will stop posting to sohamsa. I will be posting my astrological

> mails only to vedic astrology and . Those who

> are interested in reading my reasearch and independent interpretation

> of the teachings of Parasara and other rishis in the coming months

> (and perhaps years) may want to find some way of having access to

> those writings.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote:

> >

> > oṠgurave namaḥ

> >

> > Dear Narasiá¹Âha

> >

> > Firstly, please thank your spiritual master for his beautiful words.

> They summarize the avadhuta in a nutshell.

> >

> > However, if you remember, you had stated that the start of the

> spiritual sÄÂdhana is always with GaṇeÅ›a mantra dÄ«ká¹£a

–

> particularly emphasizing on Ganapati homam. To this you had quoted the

> following –

> >

> > Narasiá¹Âha wrote:

> >

> > > (1) Relevance of Ganapathi: Punaranic saying " Kalau Chandi

> Vinayakau " (Chandi and Ganapathi save one in Kali).

> > > (2) Importance of Ganapathi worship at the beginning: The puranic

> story of how Ganesha became the ruler of overcoming obstacles. There

> can be obstacles even when doing sadhana of a specific deity (e.g.

> Krishna, Chandi, Shiva, Vishnu etc). Worship of Ganesha at the

> beginning is helpful. So, when asked which homam is good, I suggested

> to do Ganapathi homam for a while and then switch to whatever he feels

> an affinity to.

> > > (3) Ganapathi being in the Mooladhara and taking care of material

> life: Ganapathi atharva seersham

> > > (4) Ganapathi controlling the opening of sushumna: Ganapathi's

> puraanic prayer of 108 names

> >

> > My answers to the above are –

> >

> > (1) Kalau Chandi Vinayaka refers to the importance of handling the

> nodes RÄÂhu and Ketu during dark periods (can also be interpreted as

> Kali Yuga) through the worship of Chandi and Vinayaka. Now, you are

> missing the finer point here in that DurgÄ has many forms and the

> particular form for dealing with the evil of RÄÂhu is Chandi as She

> dances the TÄÂṇá¸Âava with Chandesvara Ã…Å¡iva. Similarly, there

are

> many forms of Gaṇeśa and the particualr form associated with Kali

> Yuga RÄÂÅ›i (Makara – Capricorn) is Vinayaka as per the 12 names

of

> GaṇeÅ›a taught by Ã…Å¡rÄ« NÄÂrada Muni. Therefore the particular

> dictum is far more precise in its meaning. In any case, it does not

> tell us that this is the way to start the sÄÂdhana nor does it give

> any other purpose other than the overcoming of the nodal effects

> related to the evils of Kali Yuga rÄÂÅ›i (highest) or the darkness

> caused by this yuga.

> >

> > (2) Worship of Gaṇeśa in the beginning is due to the blessings of

> Śiva – every other reason you give is secondary. However, this

> again does not mean that the first dīkṣa mantra which is done for

> sÄÂdhana should be that of GaṇeÅ›a. It only means that whenever

> there is any spiritual activity, we need to worship ganesa in the

> beggining to remove the obstacles. Hence the name Vighnesvara or

> Vighnaraja. Further, you advise to do Gaṇeśa homam for a while and

> switch over is not a good spiritual advise. If the person is going to

> be a Gaṇeśa sadhaka then he has to complete the number of homam

> which is prescribed in the shastra. He has to complete the

> purascharana for the completion of the sÄÂdhana. To stop at any time

> based on whim and fancy is not good.

> >

> > (3) MÅ«lÄÂdhÄÂra chakra is one of the seven chakras. These seven

> important knots (gaNThi in oriya, I don;t know what this is in hindi)

> are among the few thousand in the body of which about 64 are crucial.

> Among these most important nine, the seven rest along the spine

> (although spiritual spine would be better term). Now simply because

> GaṇeÅ›a is the devatÄ of the MÅ«lÄÂdhÄÂra, why should we

have this

> as the first dīkṣa mantra? In any case, how did you arrive at

> ganapati Atharva Seersham for the muladhara? What about the very pot

> that holds this shakti? Is that vessel, called *kumbha* not important

> and then how do we worship the kumbha if not as Viṣṇu with

> Varuṇa in the holy waters in it? Therefore even from the

> kuṇá¸ÂalinÄ« perspective, the first pujÄ should be to

Viṣṇu and

> for this Yuga to Kṛṣṇa as He is the Viṣṇu Yuga

avatÄÂra.

> >

> > (4) Suṣumna is Sarasvatī, GaṅgĠand Yamuna being the other

two

> important nÄÂá¸Âi interwining around the suá¹£umna. Every *creator*

> devatĠhas the power to open the suṣumna. Why only Gaṇeśa?

> Brahma has the first power as the spouse of Sarasvatī and this is how

> the nada starts when the vina of Sarasvatī plays. Every devatĠis

> worshipped by the devout as *aja* to have this potential to open the

> suṣumna. So to say that only Gaṇeśa and that too only the 108

> names of Gaṇeśa can do so is narrow to my mind. Further, is there

> any shastric refereence in any classical text to support your claim?

> >

> > Narasiá¹Âha wrote:

> >

> > > Yes, mahamantra is unbelievably pure and eventually purifies one

> who chants it everyday (ideally, 16x108 times or more).

> >

> > My answers to the above are –

> >

> > You have assumed that I said Mahamantra by which I assume you meant

> the Yuga Santarana Mantra of 16 words and 32 syllables. Now I never

> said any such thing. I only said Kṛṣṇa mantra and clealy

stated

> one authority *Mantra Mahodadhih* in support of my claim. The argument

> being that there are so many flaws even in mantras and unless one uses

> a prasiddha mantra, it is tough to get siddhi.

> >

> > The paraá¹ÂparÄ has recommended some very specific mantra and only

> these mantra are stated by me as well for everyone to start their

> learning with SJC. Different paraá¹ÂparÄ may have different mantra.

> Spiritual paraá¹ÂparÄ normally always start with the

Kṛṣṇa

> bīja mantra – kliiM. At SJC we start with either *om

kṛṣṇa

> guru*, *hare rama kṛṣṇa* ...or one of the others which are

also

> Kṛṣṇa mantras (including that of VedavyÄÂsa – who

was Ká¹›á¹

> £á¹‡a dvaipayana). Importance is given to the oneness in the teachings

> of a lineage that emanates from this great union of Śrī

Kṛṣṇa,

> Kṛṣṇa Dvipäyana VedavyÄÂsa supported by all toher souls

to

> re-establish dharma for the benefit of humanity.

> >

> > Therefore only a kṛṣṇa mantra should be used as the

starting

> point as He alone is the Yuga avatÄÂra and He alone holds the key to

> eveything else happening in this yuga. To be sure that whatever we do

> is always under His umbrella, we need to first have this as our first

> sÄÂdhana before we do other sÄÂdhana.

> >

> >

> >

> > Narasiá¹Âha wrote:

> >

> > > Flaw is not in mantra, but in the mind. Each mantra protects the

> mind. The mechanism of this protection may or may not work fast

> depending on how impure and flawed a particular *mind* is.

> >

> > My answers to the above are –

> >

> > It is evident that you have not read any book, not a single one, on

> mantra shastra and are now trying to pose like an expert. I have

> nothing more to say beyond this. Unless you read, we cannot discuss

> further as there is nothing to debate about. You are talking about

> things you believe or imagine to believe whereas I am quoting a

> scriptural authority. This discussion is over.

> >

> >

> >

> > Narasiá¹Âha wrote:

> >

> > > Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only

> the one who is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is used

> as the medium for offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its

> surroundings and the delivery of the mantra. When Parasara taught

> various remedies in BPHS, he mentioned homam everywhere, for every

> problem. If you are not pure, take help of the one who is not only

> pure but also purifies whatever he comes in contact with!

> >

> > My answers to the above are –

> >

> > To that extent, those verses in Bá¹›hat ParÄÂÅ›ara are accurate as

> ParÄÂÅ›ara lived in another Yuga. He had passed before the advent of

> Kali Yuga, falling prey to wolves as he allow his son and another to

> make their escape. In that Yuga, the practise of hamam as a means of

> sÄÂdhana was considered most apporpriate as the general people were

> very learned and experts in these rituals. In Kali Yuga, the situation

> is different and your prescription of Homam as the ultimate means of

> sahdhana is definitely wrong. My reference is the Shiva PurÄÂṇa

> where the SÄÂdhana and Saadhya is specifically described and this

> ritual comes under the *medium or madhyama* sÄÂdhana. Once again you

> have interpolated and assumed that something is right based on what

> you believe rather than scriptural knowedge of the subject matter.

> >

> > Secondly, you state that Agni is a carrier and the means to carry

> our prayers. And then you say that lighting a fire (physical fire –

> homam) will help to carry those prayers to God. Thats fine, butthere

> are other forms of agni which are far more potent than lighting that

> fire in the sacrificial pit and that too by one who is not qualified

> to do so. Pavaka refers to Agni alright but then so does jatavedas and

> so many other names.

> >

> > And most interestingly, Agni has seven tongues and they have seven

> bīja mantra and then the most potent of these is the kliiM bīja as

> it is the carrier of prayers to the Gods ... now is this not the

> Kṛṣṇa bīja? Then the Kṛṣṇa bīja is

also the Agni bīja

> for carrying the prayers to the Gods. So you see no matter where you

> trun, Kṛṣṇa is there. That is why He is JagannÄÂth.

> >

> > If you study the daily spiritual practise taught in mantra

> Mahodadhih and other books, the first thing to do on awakening is

> always to remember Kṛṣṇa. The rest of the day, the pujas and

> everything else will fall in place. Those who miss this one thing have

> missed the sÄÂdhana for the day – the continue to sleep even with

> their eyes open and experiencing everything in the day.

> >

> > In reality, there is only one purifier and His name is chanted at

> the time of all purification – it is the name of Kṛṣṇa

(or

> Viṣṇu). This process is called Achamana. The *apavitra pavitro

> va ...* prayer is a clear confirmation of the purification we seek

> from His grace.

> >

> > It is evident that you will keep arguing with me giving all sorts of

> silly arguments and points and without any shastraic references. So my

> debate and discusison end here. I will not be replying any further to

> you as I am not sure about the purity of your intentions in this

> regard. Strangely you seem to be on a binge to attack everything where

> the word tradition is added ... while trying to redefine it. Maybe it

> is the Sun in the 7th house ... something about the seventh Āditya.

> >

> > Please do not write to me or disturb this list with your new

> theories of what you think ParÄÂÅ›ara meant and how the whole of India

> for the past thousand years or so, since varahamihira at least, is

> definitely wrong!!! There is a public forum for all that – Vedic

> Astrology list where everything under the Sun is acceptable. Please

> use that forum. I am not sure whether Ã…Å¡rÄ« JagannÄÂth Center would

> like to associate with that forum in the future as it has ceased to

> serve the purpose of its creation.

> >

> > I will be saying goodbye. It was nice knowing you for the time we

> did associate.

> >

> > PS. You will surely want to give a very long reply ..a book maybe,

> to this. You can send it to VA list. Someone will forward it to me.

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

>

> sohamsa , " pvr108 " <pvr wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > > What is the opinion of your spiritual master?

> > > Does he have an opinion on this?

> >

> > I forwarded your mail to him and here is his reply..

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------

> >

> > Dear Narasimha, Sanjay and others

> >

> > Ganesha. Why should one worship Ganesha or Rudra or Chandika or

> Mahakala.

> > In fact can anybody actually worship any deity.

> >

> > 1. The fact of the matter is that one's mind will be drawn to the

> worship of deities which one has worshipped in past lives.

> > 2. But, whether one will achive or not with that aspect of the

> divine is based on

> > a. What is the residue of karmas which one has left? Karana Shareera

> basically is responsible for this.One in a million

> > individuals will achieve the burning of the Karana Shareera. But

> when this is being done, then every karma done to that person

> > to his body or mind, good or bad must have an almost hundred times

> more intensity result, like for like.

> >

> > b. What is the intensity of the desire of that person for the Divine

> Beloved?

> > Which again boils down to the amount of karmas left in that Karana

> Shareera. The thicker the overlay of karmas, the lesser the desire to

> actually perform any kind of worship.

> >

> > People talk about mantras, mahamantras, and all this.

> > I find that it simply does not matter.

> > Every mantra is a name (nam), every nam has a form (rupa).

> > So, when the mantra is chanted, the rupa is forming.

> > Where is the rupa forming?

> > In the physical body, mind, koshas and everywhere.

> > So the deity will actually occupy the person.

> > But when can this happen?

> > Only when the body is dead. Not dead physically, but in a different

> sense.

> > ie. ASANA: the mind forgets the body exists after a few hours of

> sitting really still for a few hours a day.

> > Pranayana: the mind reflects on the breath and feels it is alive, it

> tries to still the breath.

> > Dhyana, the rupa of the deity forms in the mind, remember the body

> is dead for the mind at this stage.

> > Dharana: The mind percieves that form of God which is the object of

> the consciousness, but duality exists.

> > Pratyahara: a phenomenon where the eyes do not see, the ears do not

> hear.

> > Samadhi: the rupa is so well established, that the ultimate form of

> that rupa, that mantra, the Nirguna manifests.

> >

> > So the emptiness must come about in the mind and body about one's

> own identity before God fills it up with His form.

> > So, mantra is simply a tool to make us realise God. Anybody can do

> mantras, but most people's internal fire or Agni is

> > not really charged up to digest these.

> > Japa is no doubt great, but it is involved with the purification of

> air, whereas fire is involved in the purification of internal fire.

> > When internal fire is purified, then the ability to visualise your

> deity becomes stronger. Hence homam in this age is easy and moreover,

> Agni is a living God, pratyaksha Devata who can be seen by your

> physical eyes.

> > It moves, eats, talks with the sadhaka and finally when it dies, it

> continues to live on within the sadhaka.

> > In Kali Yuga, this ability to call a living God into the house is so

> powerful and so exhalting that later on japa after homam

> > brings very fast results.

> > Why Ganesha? Most people do not want spirituality, and in any case

> are not destined to be spiritual in this lifetime, so the only way

> they will pursue some sadhana is if they are given some material

> result quite quickly by their sadhana.

> > Those who have problems in career, litigation, problems with

> marriage or in finding life partner, problems with education or speech

> can really advance their mundane satisfaction with Ganapati homa.

> > I have seen this numerous times myself with people who are in this

> movement and outside.

> > That is not to say that Ganapati can't give Mukti. The ultimate form

> of Ganapati is the word of God.

> > And He is sakshama in giving Mukti as well.

> >

> > The mahamantras are many and I agree that some may say that lets do

> this(mahamantras) first.

> > BUT,

> > The Vedic mahamantras require the kind of intonation so perfect with

> visualisation at different bits of the body with various syllables,

> that for most people this is not feasible, especially since their

> Sanskrit itself is somewhat imperfect.(remember name is form, if name

> is not repeated properly then how will the form be?)(example, of

> someone who repeated bhakshati for rakshati in Pune many years ago).

> > And then there are mahamantras which are ok with almost any

> intonation. If someone wants to follow this that is also ok.

> > But, with any mantra sadhana, Ganesha sadhana is anivarya. Because,

> the entrance to Shakti at Sushumna is guarded by Him.

> >

> > Again some doubt comes into people's heads about some mantras

> harming them when recited:

> > If somebody experiences bad things when a mantra of a certain deity

> is recited then all it means is that the karmas of the Karana shareera

> are being dealt with(by the deity) quite fast, so they have to be

> experienced. It actually means that the Devata is close and more

> intense sadhana is needed.

> >

> > Actually, all this business about mantra and mahamantra is

> immaterial, Allah malik Hai, voh sab janta hai.

> > Us parvardigar se prarthana kar, woh sab raste khol deta hai.

> >

> > With humility

> > Manish

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> > >

> > > oṠgurave namaḥ

> > >

> > > Dear Narasiá¹Âha

> > >

> > > Before I venture on this ...is this your opinion? What is the

> opinion of your spiritual master? Does he have an opinion on this?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > >

> > > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com

> > >

> > > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > >

> > > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > >

> > > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

> Behalf Of pvr108

> > > 16 September 2009 01:05

> > > sohamsa

> > > Spiritual sadhana (Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva...)

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Yes, mahamantra is unbelievably pure and eventually purifies one

> who chants it everyday (ideally, 16x108 times or more).

> > >

> > > > all mantra and pujÄ have many flaws

> > >

> > > Flaw is not in mantra, but in the mind. Each mantra protects the

> mind. The mechanism of this protection may or may not work fast

> depending on how impure and flawed a particular *mind* is.

> > >

> > > Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only

> the one who is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is used

> as the medium for offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its

> surroundings and the delivery of the mantra. When Parasara taught

> various remedies in BPHS, he mentioned homam everywhere, for every

> problem. If you are not pure, take help of the one who is not only

> pure but also purifies whatever he comes in contact with!

> > >

> > > One who spends 30 minutes or more everyday in any homam will know

> the effect of fire on mind and can appreciate why fire is called " the

> purifier " and why Parasara mentioned homam in pretty much every

> remedy.

> > >

> > > > Please quote your source in support

> > >

> > > (1) Relevance of Ganapathi: Punaranic saying " Kalau Chandi

> Vinayakau " (Chandi and Ganapathi save one in Kali).

> > > (2) Importance of Ganapathi worship at the beginning: The puranic

> story of how Ganesha became the ruler of overcoming obstacles. There

> can be obstacles even when doing sadhana of a specific deity (e.g.

> Krishna, Chandi, Shiva, Vishnu etc). Worship of Ganesha at the

> beginning is helpful. So, when asked which homam is good, I suggested

> to do Ganapathi homam for a while and then switch to whatever he feels

> an affinity to.

> > > (3) Ganapathi being in the Mooladhara and taking care of material

> life: Ganapathi atharva seersham

> > > (4) Ganapathi controlling the opening of sushumna: Ganapathi's

> puraanic prayer of 108 names

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > I want to be absolutely clear about one thing. I have nothing

> against any mantra or sadhana. I am happy if more people do sadhana,

> no matter what sadhana. It can be Mahamantra, Vishnu sahasra naama,

> Venkateswara mantra, Chandipath, Lalitasahasra naama, Panchadasi,

> Savitru Gayatri, Sri Rudram, Ganapathi atharva seersham or anything.

> It can be japam, homam or just selfless service to fellow beings. I am

> happy if more people do spiritual sadhana and overcome their

> weaknesses.

> > >

> > > But, if one asks for my advice based on my understanding of

> shastras, I suggest Ganapathi sadhana as appropriate in the beginning

> to remove obstacles from one's spiritual sadhana and then the main

> sadhana to the chosen deity.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > -------------------------

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40> , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> > > > oṠgurave namaḥ

> > > >

> > > > Dear Narasiá¹ÂÂha

> > > >

> > > > I think the best way to start sÄÂÂdhana is to start reciting

> the Mahamantra of Kali yuga as all mantra and pujÄ have many flaws

> and these can cause suffering when not done by experts. Only mantra

> with the name of Krishna have no flaws ... I quote Mantra Mahodadhih

> in support

> > > >

> > > > Please quote your source in support

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > >

> > > > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com

> > > >

> > > > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com

> > > >

> > > > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/>

> http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> [sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ]

> On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao

> > > > 15 September 2009 02:32

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

> > > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka

> Nakshatra

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > > Explaining clearly the traits of Brahmana , Kshatriya & Vaisya

> > > > > at the context of learning & sharing of knowledge was very

> > > > > nicely said. Knowledge is Power but sharing it gives

> enlightment.

> > > >

> > > > Knowledge is indeed Power. However, looking at one's own

> knowledge as power, feeling proud and wanting to get some influence or

> authority over people using it is kshatriya attitude. It does not lead

> to enlightenment. Such attitude restricts the blooming of (and also

> the benefit to the world from) one's knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > One should humbly look at oneself as an instrument of god and

> operate guided by one's sense of dharma, without being sensitive to

> whether others are praising or criticizing one. Swami Vivekananda

> famously said once that Ramakrishna could have created 100

> Vivekanandas from sand and whatever he was and did was due to his

> guru's greatness. That is what I mean by humbly looking at oneself as

> an instrument. BTW, Swamiji was not one to show off fake humility. He

> spoke his mind frankly and always stood up for what he believed in,

> with unmatched honesty, integrity, conviction and fearlessness.

> > > >

> > > > Surrender to god, ask for nothing (including any knowledge), be

> grateful for whatEVER He gives (including any knowledge) and do what

> you see as your dharma with what he gives you. THAT is the spirit of a

> braahmana.

> > > >

> > > > Interestingly, one with a pure braahmana attitude automatically

> becomes powerful. One who wants power and control is upset when that

> is undermined. One who wants money and profits is upset when that is

> underminded. How can anyone upset one who wants nothing and does

> whatever one *can* with whatever one *has*? Freedom from desires

> (including desires related to knowledge) is the highest power.

> > > >

> > > > In not-so-old days, braahmanas roamed this earth who very pure

> like fire, who had no desires and who fulfilled what they saw as their

> dharma without any expectations or inhibitions. No wonder such

> braahmanas exuded such power that the whole world was in awe of them

> and even mighty kings bowed before their " power " .

> > > >

> > > > > Your mail has prompted me to delve into the homan section in

> you

> > > > > website and shortly I will start with the homan with the

> various

> > > > > templates you have cited in your site. PVRji, would you kindly

> > > > > advise us which homan to start with and what are the benefits

> > > > > one can get from the various homan's stated in your site.

> > > > > (Thanks for your time and advises).

> > > >

> > > > Ganapathi homam is the best homam for anybody to start with. As

> a spiritual sadhana, it is a good idea to do Ganapathi homam for a few

> months before starting any other homam. Ganapathi controls the

> mooladhara chakra, as well as the the opening of the sushumna nadi.

> Thus, he protects one's material life and enables spiritual progress.

> Moreover, Ganapathi sadhana pleases Ketu and that can help in one's

> astrology pursuits too.

> > > >

> > > > > My humble prayers to our Creator to bless with you with all

> > > > > the knowledge so that you can share it with us

> > > >

> > > > My humble prayers to the Mother to create a bunch of purified

> Braahminical Jyotishis and bless them with perfect knowledge so that

> the world re-awakens and sanatana dharma is re-estalished firmly on

> this earth..

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -------------------------

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > > -------------------------

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40> <sohamsa%40> , Dev Sarkar

> <sarkar_dbx@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > PVRji Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your mail , reply, clarifications and the write-ups has been

> quite an enlightening experience for student of astrology like me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Explaining clearly the traits of Brahmana , Kshatriya & Vaisya

> at the context of learning & sharing of knowledge was very nicely

> said. Knowledge is Power but sharing it gives enlightment.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your mail has prompted me to delve into the homan section in

> you website and shortly I will start with the homan with the various

> templates you have cited in your site. PVRji, would you kindly advise

> us which homan to start with and what are the benefits one can get

> from the various homan's stated in your site. (Thanks for your time

> and advises).

> > > > >

> > > > > My humble prayers to our Creator to bless with you with all

> the knowledge so that you can share it with us for the development of

> our studies and for students like me.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Respects,

> > > > >

> > > > > Devbrato Sarkar

> > > > >

> > > > > " Wealth is not just about making the money BUT making the MAN

> while he is making money " .

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> > > > > Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka

> Nakshatra

> > > > > sjc-guru <sjc-guru%

> 40> <sjc-guru%40> ,

> <%40>

> <%40> , sohamsa

> <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%

> 40> , sjcBoston <sjcBoston%

> 40> <sjcBoston%40> ,

> vedic astrology <vedic astrology%

> 40> <vedic astrology%40>

> > > > > Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 11:37 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Rajarshi,

> > > > >

> > > > > (1) Of course not. This is just a conducive factor. It makes

> sense logically and it seems to work in several charts in which you

> would expect it to apply. That's all.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no view on (2) and (3). Obviously, I do not have all

> answers.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot.

> > > > >

> > > > > What I shared is the tip of the iceberg, just like the

> planetary special lagna concepts that I illustrated using Ve7 as an

> example sometime back.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are so many reference points in charts, so many houses

> and so many nakshatras. If one applies oneself intelligently and tests

> using many examples, one can arrive at so many formulas using what I

> gave as a template.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will illustrate just one more principle. If the 6th house

> reckoned from AmK in D-10 and the 10th star (karma nakshatra) reckoned

> from AmK in SBC have an influence of the same planet and that planet

> is also associated with a trine from GL in rasi chart, one rises to a

> position of power and influence in one's work. We are basically

> looking for synergy between (a) the professional (D-10) effort (6th)

> and (b) mental (SBC) activity (10th star) of the spirit of work in one

> (AmK) and the blessings (trines) related to power and influence (GL).

> > > > >

> > > > > Nehru's AmK is Rahu. From Ardra containing Rahu, the 10th star

> counted anti-zodiacally is Satabhishak. In SBC, it has vedha from

> Mercury and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Li containing Rahu

> counted anti-zodiacally is Ta. Venus owns it. In rasi chart, Venus is

> the lord of GL and joins the lord of the 5th house from GL.

> > > > >

> > > > > Indira Gandhi's AmK is Venus. From Poorvashadha containing

> Venus, the 10th star is Aswini. In SBC, it has vedha from Mars and

> Jupiter. In D-10, the 6th house from Cn containing Venus is Sg.

> Jupiter owns it. In rasi chart, Jupiter is the 9th lord from GL.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rajiv Gandhi's AmK is Rahu. From Punarvasu containing Rahu,

> the 10th star counted anti-zodiacally is Poorvabhadra. In SBC, it has

> vedha from nodes and aspect from Mercury and Mars. In D-10, the 6th

> house from Pi containing Rahu counted anti-zodiacally is Li. Mars and

> Mercury aspect it from Ta. In rasi chart, Mervcury is the 9th lord

> from GL.

> > > > >

> > > > > PV Narasimha Rao's AmK is Venus. From Krittika containing

> Venus, the 10th star is Uttara Phalguni. In SBC, it has vedha from

> Mercury and aspect from Moon and Mars. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp

> containing Venus is Ge owned by Mercury and only Mercury aspects it.

> In rasi chart, Mercury is the dispositor of the 5th and 9th lords from

> GL and is with them, aspecting GL.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ronald Reagan's AmK is Sun. From Dhanishtha containing Sun,

> the 10th star is Mrigasira. In SBC, it has vedha from Mercury and

> aspect from Mars and Saturn. In D-10, the 6th house from Ar containing

> Sun is Vi owned and occupied by Mercury and only Mars aspects it from

> Pi. In rasi chart, Mercury and Mars are in GL and Mars owns the 5th

> from GL.

> > > > >

> > > > > George W Bush's AmK is Jupiter. From Chitra containing

> Jupiter, the 10th star is Sravana. In SBC, it has vedha from none but

> aspected by Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. In D-10, the 6th house from Cp

> containing Jupiter is Ge owned by Mercury and aspected by Venus from

> Sg. In rasi chart, Mercury and Venus are in the 9th house from GL.

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > Bottomline:

> > > > >

> > > > > One may be able to unearth many ways to combine nakshatra

> chakra (SBC), various divisional charts and rasi chart. What factor at

> the mental level (SBC), what factor at the level of a specific

> environment in life (i.e. a divisional chart, examples of various

> environments shown in various divisional charts are - professional in

> D-10, parental in D-12, educational in D-24, spiritual in D-20,

> financial in D-2 etc) and what factor at the physical level (rasi

> chart) need to have a synergy, in order to produce a specific result?

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste Rajarshi and other young sadhakas-cum- Jyotishis,

> > > > >

> > > > > I want to humbly say a word on " research " . Please ignore my 2

> cents if this makes no sense to you.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was quite passionate about Jyotish research several years

> back and used to spend a lot of time in research. I used to sleep at 3

> am and get up at 6 am. I used to spend long hours formulating

> principles and testing them out on charts, changing JHora sometimes

> for it. After coming home from work, I used to spend as much time on

> astrology study and research, as I used to spend on my main profession

> during the day.

> > > > >

> > > > > After spiritual transformation in recent years, I stopped

> spending that much time. However, the productivity of my Jyotish

> research went up. Some ideas that struck to my mind at the end of nice

> meditation sessions turned out to be good and simply worked in several

> charts that I tried out later.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you surrender to god and rishis, you will receive whatever

> knowledge you need for your activities in this life. Have faith in god

> and rishis and surrender. Also, it is important to approach Jyotish

> knowledge with the spirit of a brahmana. Brahmana is one who cares

> about nothing other than knowledge and liberation. Kshatriya is one

> who cares about power, authority and control over others. Vaisya is

> one who cares about money. Do not look at your Jyotish knowledge as a

> means to have some control or authority over people and do not feel

> proud of your knowledge, like a kshatriya. Also, do not look at your

> Jyotish knowledge as a means to get money and try to increase your

> gains, like a vaishya. Be a true braahmana in the prusuit of Jyotish

> knowledge and surrender to god and rishis. Sky is the limit for you

> then.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, it is also possible then that you lose interest in

> Jyotish completely or partially and do not receive any or much Jyotish

> knowledge. But so be it. As I said, you will receive " whatever

> knowledge *you need* " . You don't know what you really need, but god

> does! Complete surrender means not asking for any specific thing and

> accepting whatever comes one's way!

> > > > >

> > > > > * * *

> > > > >

> > > > > Reply to Mail 2 below:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am replying publicly while keeping your anonymity.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Yes, a blue light from a Shiva linga entered his mother

> when she was pregnant with him. She also had darshan of many celestial

> beings on a regular basis during her pregnancy, which stopped after

> the delivery.

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually, Vishnu told his father in the dream at Gaya that you

> refer to, that *he himself* would come as a son.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are different indications, but what Ramakrishna himself

> declared should be the final word.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. When I meditate deeply after homam or in general, I

> sometimes go into a nice spiritual state. Though there was some desire

> to find some principle based on abhisheka nakshatra *before*

> meditation started, it completely vanished from my consciousness as

> meditation deepened and the regular self-awareness vanished too. Then

> I was in a nice spiritual state where the logical mind and intuitive

> mind were very very calm without much mental activity. When I was

> coming back to a state of normal self-awareness from such a state, I

> just became aware of a thought. It felt like it was someone's thought

> just flowing in the universe and I happened to be on the same

> wavelength and was able to observe it.

> > > > >

> > > > > I only said I prayed to Parasara and this formula was given to

> me. I did not say who gave it to me, because I do not know. But I

> express my gratitude to Parasara, as I had prayed to him before and

> then this thought came and moreover this principle is far more logical

> and far more accurate than anything I was able to synthesize using my

> rational and intuitive minds before. If one begged the king for money

> and suddenly found a bag of gold coins thrown into one's backyard by

> an unseen person, one will only thank the king. Especially if the

> coins seem to be made of real gold..

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. I am glad you were thinking along those lines! It shows you

> have some really good samskaras guiding your instincts. You can ask

> Agni to carry an oblation of ghee to various deities and rishis,

> without a separate invocation.. For example, if your gotra is Goutama,

> you can offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om gautamaaya

> svaahaa. gautamaayedam na mama " . Or, if you want to offer to Jupiter,

> you can offer an oblation in the fire while saying " om bR^ihaspataye

> svaahaa. bR^ihaspataya na mama " . You can do this after the main homam

> and before you start the final offerings to Agni, Vaayu, Surya,

> Prajapati, Vishnu and Shiva.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you want to specifically invoke, you can use the Ganesha

> invocation from Krishna homam or Shiva homam manual as the template

> and follow that procedure. Replace " oM gaM gaNapataye namaH " with " oM

> paM paraasharaaya namaH " or just " oM paraasharaaya namaH " or the verse

> for Parasara below. Irresepctive of the exact procedure you used, the

> keys to success are (a) the strength of belief that Parasara is there

> in fire and (b) respect and surrender for him. Use whatever procedure

> maximizes those aspects in you.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

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> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa@ .com, rajarshi nandy

> <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Narasimha,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Very good work.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was trying this in some charts and most of them gave very

> accurate results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a few queries:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) If both condition (a) and condition (b) get fulfilled,

> can we safely conclude that this person will attain to the highest

> spiritual experience of Moksha?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) If only one condition is fulfilled, say the Vedha graha

> aspects the 12th from Ak in D20, but is not connected to 5th and/or

> 9th in rasi, or vice versa, can we conclude that the person is

> spiritual but may not reach the highest realization?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3) In case of no Vedha graha, does it indicate that this

> person cannot attain moksha in that life time?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for your research. Appreciate them a lot.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -Regards

> > > > > > Rajarshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ ------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mail 2:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *The nature of this email is necessarily private. Do not

> quote this email

> > > > > > unless you feel some points/your reply to points would

> benefit a larger

> > > > > > section of society. Thanks in advance.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. I am so excited at your directly received revelation from

> Maharishi

> > > > > > Parasara! This indicates that vargas can be read as

> independent charts and

> > > > > > gives some valuable pointers as to how connections between

> rasi and vargas

> > > > > > can be synthesized. The tip of an iceberg is indicated here!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. It is mentioned (I cannot cite the reference) that a blue

> light emanated

> > > > > > out of the Shiva Linga when Sri Ramakrishna' s mother went

> to the temple and

> > > > > > the waves of the blue light passed into her. She felt as if

> she was pregnant

> > > > > > immediately. At the same time, Sri Ramakrishna' s father had

> a dream at Gaya

> > > > > > that Vishnu would bless him with an illustrious progeny.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. The statement of Sanjay cited by you below is at best an

> empirical

> > > > > > statement. It does not give any criteria as to how the

> judgement was arrived

> > > > > > at.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. May I respectfully ask how you received the revelation?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5. Nowadays I am performing the Ganesha homam weekly. I had

> been toying with

> > > > > > the idea of whether to invoke Maharishis Parasara and

> Jaimini in the homam,

> > > > > > bow before them and seek their blessings for studying the

> jyotisa shastra..

> > > > > > You indirectly answered the unspoken desire! How may I

> invoke Maharishi

> > > > > > Jaimini in the homan?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best regards

> > > > > > <name deleted>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/9/09, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

> > > > > > Ramakrishna, Shiva and Abhisheka

> Nakshatra

> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, vedic astrology@ .

> com, , sjcBoston@grou ps.com,

> sjc-guru@ s.com

> > > > > > Tuesday, 8 September, 2009, 5:22 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Sanjay and friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your book " Brihat Nakshatra " , you said regarding

> Ramakrishna Paramhamsa's chart:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " In all my years of study and tens of thousands of charts, I

> have never come across anything as close to this chart which

> represents a perfect incarnation of Lord Shiva. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then you went on to talk about the " specific " form of

> " Shiva " shown by the chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, this is inconsistent with what Ramakrishna himself

> revealed and religious authorities at his time opined.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Ramakrishna was on death bed with cancer, Narendra

> (Swami Vivekananda) once thought to himself, " I will accept his

> divinity if he declares his divinity *now*, inspite of this sickness

> and suffering. " As if he detected the thought, Ramakrishna said to

> Narendra, " you still have doubts? He who was Rama and Krishna before

> is in this body now. And I do not mean it in your vedantic sense! "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By explicitly saying that he did not mean it in the vedantic

> sense and referring to " He who was Rama and Krishna before " , he

> clearly revealed that he was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu.

> Ramakrishna never spoke a lie and valued truthfulness highly. The

> words of the realized man in question himself must be more reliable

> than questionable and unreliable astrological principles.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moreover, a couple of great religious authorities of the

> time studied Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in his younger days when he was

> being trained by Bhairavi Brahmani and saw all behavioral signs and

> physical marks that confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of

> Vishnu. They declared him to be an incarnation of Vishnu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Given these two facts, your conclusion cannot be correct.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vivekananda was inherently a jnaani. He rejected Maayaa and

> even called Ramakrishna' s visions of various deities as

> hallucinations and plays of the mind. He only accepted the formless.

> Ramakrishna slowly created in him respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa

> that governs duality. Well, it takes one with purified Vishnu tattva

> to create respect and love for Vishnu Maayaa in one with raw Shiva

> tattva. Moreover, it was at the Shiva temple at Amarnath in Himalayas

> that Vivekananda finally realized his true nature.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As Jupiter and Mercury are the natural guru and sishya and

> Jupiter is supposed to show Sadashiva and Mercury is supposed to show

> Vishnu, one may be tempted to theorize that Shiva is guru and Vishnu

> is sishya and attribute Shiva tattva to guru in a guru-sishya pair.

> However, that is no logic. Jupiter is not just Sadashiva, he is

> Jagannath too. Some of Vishnu's avataras have been the greatest gurus.

> Krishna is the ultimate jagadguru for his teaching of Bhagavad Gita,

> the greatest spiritual teaching ever.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, take the example of another illustrious guru-sishya

> pair from a few millennia back - Govinda Bhagavatpada and Aadi

> Shankara. Govinda Bhagavatpada was a highly learned and elevated

> master. He too had several great sishyas. His main sishya Aadi

> Shankara is considered an incarnation of Lord Shiva and Govinda

> Bhagavatpada is considered to be of Vishnu tattwa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If one says that Govinda Bhagavatpada must have had an amsha

> of Shiva (Jupiter) because he was the guru and that Aadi Shankara must

> have had an amsha of Vishnu (Mercury) because he was the sishya, that

> would be no logic at all! Shiva himself said that he would be born as

> Aadi Shankara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually, given the parallels between the lives of Aadi

> Shankara and Vivekananda, it is possible that Vivekananda was a

> re-incarnation of Aadi Shankara.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > > Abhisheka Nakshatra Principle

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said in the same book that abhisheka nakshatra's lord

> (as per Vimsottari dasa lordship) being AK is the " first indication of

> a high level soul having incarnated " . You use the charts of

> Ramakrishna and Vivekananda and a questionable chart of Lord Krishna

> to justify it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, there are many exampsles like Sarada Mata, Ramana

> Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada and Swami

> Sivananda, which do not satisfy the criterion. All of them are

> definitely " high level souls having incarnated " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moreover, it is questionable to have such an important

> formula based on " vimsottari lordships " , which is just a star-planet

> mapping for one specific dasa scheme among many, as taught by

> Parasara. Secondly, the space of Vimsottari lord of abhisheka nakshtra

> contains nine planets, while the space of chara karakas contains eight

> planets. A formula based on equating them is mixing up two unequal

> sets. That is illogical. Moreover, this formula fails in many examples

> and works in just two (third example is based on questionable data).

> Thus, it sounds like a formula constructed based on an observation

> which was made based on just 2-3 charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any genuine formula should work in a far higher percentage

> of applicable charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I tried to find some reasonable and logical criterion based

> on abhisheka nakshatra to find initial indications of a potential for

> liberation, that works in all the charts I mentioned above. I was

> unsuccessful. Each formula works in some and fails in some. The

> example charts I chose are all unquestionably very high caliber

> spiritual people.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After my failure, I bowed to Maharshi Parasara after a daily

> Chandi homam and prayed to him to kindly show me a criterion based on

> abhisheka nakshatra that works in a higher percentage of applicable

> charts. The formula that was given to me is this: " The abhisheka

> nakshatra - the 28th nakshatra - reckoned from chara aatma kaaraka has

> aspect or vedha in sarvatobhadra chakra (SBC) from a planet that is

> also associated with (a) the 12th house from chara aatma kaaraka in

> D-20 chart and (b) 5th or 9th house from lagna in rasi chart. If chara

> aatma kaaraka is Rahu, counting of the 28th star in SBC as well as

> counting of the 12th house in D-20 is in anti-zodiacal order. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The D-20 is the chart of spiritual progress. The 12th house

> from AK in it shows the liberation of individual soul as one

> progresses spiritually. Similarly, SBC is the chakra in the nakshatra

> space and abhisheka (28th) nakshatra from AK in it shows liberation of

> soul in the nakshatra space. Planet having an influence on both the

> factors supports spiritual liberation. The 5th and 9th from lagna show

> poorvapunya and bhagya. If the same planet influences all the three

> factors, that planet can suggest liberation. The reverse counting from

> Rahu is because Rahu goes in reverse. Even when defining argala,

> Parasara asked to reckon argalas and virodha argalas based on houses

> from Rahu and Ketu in anti-zodiacal order.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus, we are finding a planetary influence that brings

> poorvapunya and bhagya (5th and 9th) to this specific existence

> (lagna) and promotes liberation (12th house/28th star) of individual

> soul (AK) in the conscious mental plane (SBC) and the plane of

> spiritual activity (D-20).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please note that this formula does not use Vimsottari dasa

> lordships. It uses nakshatra chakra (SBC) for nakshatras and D-20 for

> rasis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When the formula came to me, I tried it on the charts of

> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Sarada Mata, Swami Vivekananda, Ramana

> Maharshi, Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati, Srila Prabhupada, Swami

> Sivananda. It worked in all the charts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sarada Mata's AK is Moon. He is in Uttara Phalguni. The 28th

> star from him is Poorva Phalguni. It has vedha only from Mars. In

> D-20, Moon is in Ta and the 12th lord from him is Mars. In rasi, Mars

> is the 5th lord.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramakrishna' s AK is Rahu. He is in Krittika. The 28th star

> from him counted anti-zodiacally is Rohini. It has vedha in SBC only

> from Saturn. In D-20, Rahu is in Cp and the 12th house counted

> anti-zodiacally is Aq. Saturn owns it. In rasi, Saturn occupies the

> 9th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vivekananda' s AK is Sun. He is in Uttarashadha. The 28t

> star from him is Poorvashadha. It has vedha in SBC only from Moon and

> Saturn. In D-20, Sun is in Pi and Saturn is the 12th lord from him. In

> rasi, Saturn occupies the 9th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramana Maharashi's AK is Moon. He is in Punarvasu. The 28th

> star from him is Ardra. It has vedha from Sun and Rahu and aspect from

> Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Moon is in Aq and Jupiter and Rahu aspect Cp.

> In rasi, Jupiter occupies the 5th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati's AK is Saturn. He is in

> Chitra. The 28th star from him is Hasta. It has vedha from Rahu and

> Ketu and aspect from Jupiter in SBC. In D-20, Saturn is in Cp and

> Jupiter owns the 12th while Rahu and Ketu aspect it. In rasi, Jupiter

> owns 5th and occupies 9th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Srila Prabhupada's AK is Rahu. He is in Dhanishtha. The 28th

> star from him is Satabhishak. It has no vedha in SBC, but Sun aspects

> it. In D-20, Rahu is in Sg. The 12th from him reckoned anti-zodiacally

> is Cp and Sun aspects it. In rasi, Sun is the 9th lord.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Swami Sivananda's AK is Sun. He is in Poorva Phalguni. The

> 28th star from him is Magha. It has vedha from Moon and Rahu in SBC

> and Saturn aspects it.. In D-20, Sun is in Pi. The 12th from him is

> Aq. Saturn and Rahu own it and Moon aspects it. In rasi, Moon is lagna

> lord in 9th house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * * *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maharshis who overcame the concept of Time and space-time

> continuum when living here in a body can bless us even after they

> leave earth. To those of you who do any kind of homam daily or weekly

> and want to surrender to Parasara and get some blessings from him, I

> suggest making 4 or 8 or 12 aahutis (oblations) of ghee at the

> beginning of uttaraangam while saying one of the following:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > daivavidbhyo varaM viGYaM shaktiputraM munIshvaraM

> > > > > > horaa shaastra pravaktaaraM paraasharaM namaamyahaM.

> svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na mama.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > om pam paraasharaaya namaH svaahaa. paraasharaayedaM na

> mama.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Sanjay Ji,

Pranam.

Often we find that the mind reacts one way or the other, at least for a given individual, and generally speaking, based on stimuli received. As you have said the suffering in the Sade-Sati is caused by the over-excitement of the Vayu Tattwa.

Is that to say, that the given person's mind would have reacted very differently to the identical events/ stimuli precipitated in the Sade-Sati, if the Sade-Sati had not been running? In other words, what is the correlation between what 'happens' at the level of naive realism or objective reality in the Sade-Sati and the Vayu Tattwa? Does the Sade-Sati, as the popular perception goes, precipitate conventionally negative events to which the mind reacts by recording suffering or are such events to be looked for in other facets of the horoscope that might be activated at the same time as the Sade-Sati?

Regards,

Anurag.sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> > > > > oá¹ gurave namaḥ> > Dear Rashmi> > I think the issue with sade-sati is the slowing down, the degeneration caused by vÄyu tattva becoming negative. The over excitement of the vÄyu tattva in the manas is the cause of the suffering during the sade sati period. Having identified that the problem is with vÄyu tattva, we first look at the pañca devatÄ for this and find the answer with Åšiva who controls the vÄyu tattva.> > Therefore Åšiva and every Rudra avatÄra can be worhsipped for the problem of sade-sati. For this eason traditionally people have been worshipping Åšiva, Hanuman (Rudra avatÄra and vÄyu son) for overcoming the negative effects of sade-sati.> > > > I cannot answer why Narasiá¹ha made a recommendation. I have never heard about this recommendation nor read about GaṇeÅ›a Atharva Sirsha for overcoming sade-sati !!! Please check with him in his new forums.> > Best Wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > WebPages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com> > Jaimini Scholar: <http://sohamsa.com/> http://sohamsa.com> > SJC: <http://.org/> http://.org> > Jyotish Digest, Books: <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> http://sagittariuspublications.com> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of rashmi patel> 24 September 2009 07:44> sohamsa > Spiritual sadhana (Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva...)> > > > > > Respected SanjayJi,> > I had wrote to NarasinhaJi the meaning & benifits or how good it is to do GANESH AATHARVA SEERSH> > but I guess he must be busy but please can you answer my question?> > Also do you think this AATHARVA SEERSH can help me in my sade sati period at all.> > please reply me.> > thanks> > rashmi patel> > > > _____ > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath sohamsa > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:12:35 AM> RE: Spiritual sadhana (Re: Ramakrishna, Shiva...)> > > > oá¹ gurave namaḥ> > Dear Narasiá¹ha> > Firstly, please thank your spiritual master for his beautiful words. They summarize the avadhuta in a nutshell.> > However, if you remember, you had stated that the start of the spiritual sÄdhana is always with GaṇeÅ›a mantra dÄ«ká¹£a â€" particularly emphasizing on Ganapati homam. To this you had quoted the following â€"> > Narasiá¹ha wrote:> > > (1) Relevance of Ganapathi: Punaranic saying "Kalau Chandi Vinayakau" (Chandi and Ganapathi save one in Kali).> > (2) Importance of Ganapathi worship at the beginning: The puranic story of how Ganesha became the ruler of overcoming obstacles. There can be obstacles even when doing sadhana of a specific deity (e.g. Krishna, Chandi, Shiva, Vishnu etc). Worship of Ganesha at the beginning is helpful. So, when asked which homam is good, I suggested to do Ganapathi homam for a while and then switch to whatever he feels an affinity to.> > (3) Ganapathi being in the Mooladhara and taking care of material life: Ganapathi atharva seersham> > (4) Ganapathi controlling the opening of sushumna: Ganapathi's puraanic prayer of 108 names> > My answers to the above are â€"> > (1) Kalau Chandi Vinayaka refers to the importance of handling the nodes RÄhu and Ketu during dark periods (can also be interpreted as Kali Yuga) through the worship of Chandi and Vinayaka. Now, you are missing the finer point here in that DurgÄ has many forms and the particular form for dealing with the evil of RÄhu is Chandi as She dances the TÄṇá¸ava with Chandesvara Åšiva. Similarly, there are many forms of GaṇeÅ›a and the particualr form associated with Kali Yuga RÄÅ›i (Makara â€" Capricorn) is Vinayaka as per the 12 names of GaṇeÅ›a taught by ÅšrÄ« NÄrada Muni. Therefore the particular dictum is far more precise in its meaning. In any case, it does not tell us that this is the way to start the sÄdhana nor does it give any other purpose other than the overcoming of the nodal effects related to the evils of Kali Yuga rÄÅ›i (highest) or the darkness caused by this yuga.> > (2) Worship of GaṇeÅ›a in the beginning is due to the blessings of Åšiva â€" every other reason you give is secondary. However, this again does not mean that the first dÄ«ká¹£a mantra which is done for sÄdhana should be that of GaṇeÅ›a. It only means that whenever there is any spiritual activity, we need to worship ganesa in the beggining to remove the obstacles. Hence the name Vighnesvara or Vighnaraja. Further, you advise to do GaṇeÅ›a homam for a while and switch over is not a good spiritual advise. If the person is going to be a GaṇeÅ›a sadhaka then he has to complete the number of homam which is prescribed in the shastra. He has to complete the purascharana for the completion of the sÄdhana. To stop at any time based on whim and fancy is not good.> > (3) MÅ«lÄdhÄra chakra is one of the seven chakras. These seven important knots (gaNThi in oriya, I don;t know what this is in hindi) are among the few thousand in the body of which about 64 are crucial. Among these most important nine, the seven rest along the spine (although spiritual spine would be better term). Now simply because GaṇeÅ›a is the devatÄ of the MÅ«lÄdhÄra, why should we have this as the first dÄ«ká¹£a mantra? In any case, how did you arrive at ganapati Atharva Seersham for the muladhara? What about the very pot that holds this shakti? Is that vessel, called *kumbha* not important and then how do we worship the kumbha if not as Viṣṇu with Varuṇa in the holy waters in it? Therefore even from the kuṇá¸alinÄ« perspective, the first pujÄ should be to Viṣṇu and for this Yuga to Kṛṣṇa as He is the Viṣṇu Yuga avatÄra. > > (4) Suá¹£umna is SarasvatÄ«, Gaá¹…gÄ and Yamuna being the other two important nÄá¸i interwining around the suá¹£umna. Every *creator* devatÄ has the power to open the suá¹£umna. Why only GaṇeÅ›a? Brahma has the first power as the spouse of SarasvatÄ« and this is how the nada starts when the vina of SarasvatÄ« plays. Every devatÄ is worshipped by the devout as *aja* to have this potential to open the suá¹£umna. So to say that only GaṇeÅ›a and that too only the 108 names of GaṇeÅ›a can do so is narrow to my mind. Further, is there any shastric refereence in any classical text to support your claim? > > Narasiá¹ha wrote:> > > Yes, mahamantra is unbelievably pure and eventually purifies one who chants it everyday (ideally, 16x108 times or more).> > My answers to the above are â€"> > You have assumed that I said Mahamantra by which I assume you meant the Yuga Santarana Mantra of 16 words and 32 syllables.. Now I never said any such thing. I only said Kṛṣṇa mantra and clealy stated one authority *Mantra Mahodadhih* in support of my claim. The argument being that there are so many flaws even in mantras and unless one uses a prasiddha mantra, it is tough to get siddhi.> > The paraá¹parÄ has recommended some very specific mantra and only these mantra are stated by me as well for everyone to start their learning with SJC. Different paraá¹parÄ may have different mantra. Spiritual paraá¹parÄ normally always start with the Kṛṣṇa bÄ«ja mantra â€" kliiM. At SJC we start with either *om kṛṣṇa guru*, *hare rama kṛṣṇa* ...or one of the others which are also Kṛṣṇa mantras (including that of VedavyÄsa â€" who was Kṛṣṇa dvaipayana). Importance is given to the oneness in the teachings of a lineage that emanates from this great union of ÅšrÄ« Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Dvipäyana VedavyÄsa supported by all toher souls to re-establish dharma for the benefit of humanity.> > Therefore only a kṛṣṇa mantra should be used as the starting point as He alone is the Yuga avatÄra and He alone holds the key to eveything else happening in this yuga. To be sure that whatever we do is always under His umbrella, we need to first have this as our first sÄdhana before we do other sÄdhana.> > > > Narasiá¹ha wrote:> > > Flaw is not in mantra, but in the mind. Each mantra protects the mind. The mechanism of this protection may or may not work fast depending on how impure and flawed a particular *mind* is.> > My answers to the above are â€"> > It is evident that you have not read any book, not a single one, on mantra shastra and are now trying to pose like an expert. I have nothing more to say beyond this. Unless you read, we cannot discuss further as there is nothing to debate about. You are talking about things you believe or imagine to believe whereas I am quoting a scriptural authority. This discussion is over.> > > > Narasiá¹ha wrote:> > > Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only the one who is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is used as the medium for offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its surroundings and the delivery of the mantra. When Parasara taught various remedies in BPHS, he mentioned homam everywhere, for every problem. If you are not pure, take help of the one who is not only pure but also purifies whatever he comes in contact with!> > My answers to the above are â€"> > To that extent, those verses in Bá¹›hat ParÄÅ›ara are accurate as ParÄÅ›ara lived in another Yuga. He had passed before the advent of Kali Yuga, falling prey to wolves as he allow his son and another to make their escape. In that Yuga, the practise of hamam as a means of sÄdhana was considered most apporpriate as the general people were very learned and experts in these rituals. In Kali Yuga, the situation is different and your prescription of Homam as the ultimate means of sahdhana is definitely wrong. My reference is the Shiva PurÄṇa where the SÄdhana and Saadhya is specifically described and this ritual comes under the *medium or madhyama* sÄdhana. Once again you have interpolated and assumed that something is right based on what you believe rather than scriptural knowedge of the subject matter.> > Secondly, you state that Agni is a carrier and the means to carry our prayers. And then you say that lighting a fire (physical fire â€" homam) will help to carry those prayers to God. Thats fine, butthere are other forms of agni which are far more potent than lighting that fire in the sacrificial pit and that too by one who is not qualified to do so. Pavaka refers to Agni alright but then so does jatavedas and so many other names.> > And most interestingly, Agni has seven tongues and they have seven bÄ«ja mantra and then the most potent of these is the kliiM bÄ«ja as it is the carrier of prayers to the Gods ... now is this not the Kṛṣṇa bÄ«ja? Then the Kṛṣṇa bÄ«ja is also the Agni bÄ«ja for carrying the prayers to the Gods. So you see no matter where you trun, Kṛṣṇa is there. That is why He is JagannÄth. > > If you study the daily spiritual practise taught in mantra Mahodadhih and other books, the first thing to do on awakening is always to remember Kṛṣṇa. The rest of the day, the pujas and everything else will fall in place. Those who miss this one thing have missed the sÄdhana for the day â€" the continue to sleep even with their eyes open and experiencing everything in the day.> > In reality, there is only one purifier and His name is chanted at the time of all purification â€" it is the name of Kṛṣṇa (or Viṣṇu). This process is called Achamana. The *apavitra pavitro va ...* prayer is a clear confirmation of the purification we seek from His grace.> > > > It is evident that you will keep arguing with me giving all sorts of silly arguments and points and without any shastraic references. So my debate and discusison end here. I will not be replying any further to you as I am not sure about the purity of your intentions in this regard. Strangely you seem to be on a binge to attack everything where the word tradition is added ... while trying to redefine it. Maybe it is the Sun in the 7th house ... something about the seventh Ä€ditya.> > Please do not write to me or disturb this list with your new theories of what you think ParÄÅ›ara meant and how the whole of India for the past thousand years or so, since varahamihira at least, is definitely wrong!!! There is a public forum for all that â€" Vedic Astrology list where everything under the Sun is acceptable. Please use that forum. I am not sure whether ÅšrÄ« JagannÄth Center would like to associate with that forum in the future as it has ceased to serve the purpose of its creation.> > > > I will be saying goodbye. It was nice knowing you for the time we did associate.> > > > PS. You will surely want to give a very long reply ..a book maybe, to this. You can send it to VA list. Someone will forward it to me.> > Best Wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > WebPages: http://srath. com <http://srath.com/> > > Jaimini Scholar: http://sohamsa. com <http://sohamsa..com/> > > SJC: http:// .org <http://.org/> > > Jyotish Digest, Books: http://sagittariusp <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> ublications. com>

[Guest guest]

> Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only the one who

> is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is used as the medium for

> offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its surroundings and the delivery of

> the mantra. When Parasara taught various remedies in BPHS, he mentioned

> homam everywhere, for every problem. If you are not pure, take help of the

> one who is not only pure but also purifies whatever he comes in contact

> with!

>

 

It seems that section of BPHS wherin remedial measures are given is

not genuine and interpolated by others. Parasara was a great Vaisnava

and these remedial measures mentioned in modern BPHS recomend things

which are against vaisnavism hence contradicting Parasara's onw

position.

 

All this and more revelations regarding the modern BPHS are explained

in an scholalry article that I stumbled up. It can be found here:

 

http://tinyurl.com/ykq6pfr

 

 

With regards

 

Agastya

[Guest guest]

Namaste! Could it be that the definition of 'Vaishnava' has changed

since the time of Parashara. Parashara was certainly a Vishnu bhakta-but

would he be a Vaishnava as defined in modern times ? Sanatana dharma and

its various sects and components were configured differently then and it

would be wrong for us to look at them with modern eyes ( wrong not for

purposes of bhakti, but for purposes of judgement).

 

Regards,

 

Shyam

 

On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 15:40 +0530, Agastya Rishi wrote:

>

> > Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only the

> one who

> > is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is used as the

> medium for

> > offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its surroundings and the

> delivery of

> > the mantra. When Parasara taught various remedies in BPHS, he

> mentioned

> > homam everywhere, for every problem. If you are not pure, take help

> of the

> > one who is not only pure but also purifies whatever he comes in

> contact

> > with!

> >

>

> It seems that section of BPHS wherin remedial measures are given is

> not genuine and interpolated by others. Parasara was a great Vaisnava

> and these remedial measures mentioned in modern BPHS recomend things

> which are against vaisnavism hence contradicting Parasara's onw

> position.

>

> All this and more revelations regarding the modern BPHS are explained

> in an scholalry article that I stumbled up. It can be found here:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/ykq6pfr

>

> With regards

>

> Agastya

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

हरे राम कृष्ण

Dear Shyam, Namaskar.

Keep in mind that it is recorded quite clearly that Parashara spent

most of his life worshipping Shiva and is also an author of the Rg Veda

indicating his knowledge of the same. Making assumptions about

Parashara's faith from the first chapter of BPHS does not do justice to

his legacy.

Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen

----------

Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)

www: http://srigaruda.com

@: visti

 

 

Shyam V Srivatsa skrev:

 

 

Namaste! Could it be that the definition of 'Vaishnava' has changed

since the time of Parashara. Parashara was certainly a Vishnu bhakta-but

would he be a Vaishnava as defined in modern times ? Sanatana dharma and

its various sects and components were configured differently then and it

would be wrong for us to look at them with modern eyes ( wrong not for

purposes of bhakti, but for purposes of judgement).

 

Regards,

 

Shyam

 

On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 15:40 +0530, Agastya Rishi wrote:

>

> > Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not

only the

> one who

> > is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is used as

the

> medium for

> > offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its surroundings and

the

> delivery of

> > the mantra. When Parasara taught various remedies in BPHS, he

> mentioned

> > homam everywhere, for every problem. If you are not pure,

take help

> of the

> > one who is not only pure but also purifies whatever he comes

in

> contact

> > with!

> >

>

> It seems that section of BPHS wherin remedial measures are given is

> not genuine and interpolated by others. Parasara was a great

Vaisnava

> and these remedial measures mentioned in modern BPHS recomend

things

> which are against vaisnavism hence contradicting Parasara's onw

> position.

>

> All this and more revelations regarding the modern BPHS are

explained

> in an scholalry article that I stumbled up. It can be found here:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/ykq6pfr

>

> With regards

>

> Agastya

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti,

Namaskar,Thank you for correcting me.

 

Regards,

 

Shyam

 

On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 13:29 +0200, Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£

> Dear Shyam, Namaskar.

> Keep in mind that it is recorded quite clearly that Parashara spent

> most of his life worshipping Shiva and is also an author of the Rg

> Veda indicating his knowledge of the same. Making assumptions about

> Parashara's faith from the first chapter of BPHS does not do justice

> to his legacy.

> Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen

> ----------

> Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer)

> www: http://srigaruda.com

> @: visti

>

> Shyam V Srivatsa skrev:

> >

> >

> > Namaste! Could it be that the definition of 'Vaishnava' has changed

> > since the time of Parashara. Parashara was certainly a Vishnu

> > bhakta-but

> > would he be a Vaishnava as defined in modern times ? Sanatana dharma

> > and

> > its various sects and components were configured differently then

> > and it

> > would be wrong for us to look at them with modern eyes ( wrong not

> > for

> > purposes of bhakti, but for purposes of judgement).

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Shyam

> >

> > On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 15:40 +0530, Agastya Rishi wrote:

> > >

> > > > Agni (fire) is called paavaka, i.e. the purifier. He is not only

> > the

> > > one who

> > > > is pure, but also the one who *purifies*. When he is used as the

> > > medium for

> > > > offering mantras, he purifies the mind, its surroundings and the

> > > delivery of

> > > > the mantra. When Parasara taught various remedies in BPHS, he

> > > mentioned

> > > > homam everywhere, for every problem. If you are not pure, take

> > help

> > > of the

> > > > one who is not only pure but also purifies whatever he comes in

> > > contact

> > > > with!

> > > >

> > >

> > > It seems that section of BPHS wherin remedial measures are given

> > is

> > > not genuine and interpolated by others. Parasara was a great

> > Vaisnava

> > > and these remedial measures mentioned in modern BPHS recomend

> > things

> > > which are against vaisnavism hence contradicting Parasara's onw

> > > position.

> > >

> > > All this and more revelations regarding the modern BPHS are

> > explained

> > > in an scholalry article that I stumbled up. It can be found here:

> > >

> > > http://tinyurl.com/ykq6pfr

> > >

> > > With regards

> > >

> > > Agastya

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>