Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Dear Visti Thank you for pointing out the error. The slides/audio has been matched properly and I have also done the same for the tables which are better now. I hope everyone is studying the slides and will get into some serious research and confirm my initial findings. Thank you Sanjay Rath Nadi Navamsha slides: http://sohamsa.com Visti Larsen [visti] 29 October 2009 03:53 Sanjay Rath Nadi Navamsa हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Guruji, Namaskar. Very nice presentation, wish I was there. Some correction: The Audio from Slide 9 has been doubled and is present in slide 9 & 10 and then the following Audios are always in a slide ahead of the one it should be in. It does ruin the presentation somewhat. On a different note I'm looking forward to some more JD-articles for the website from you. Hope you like the website so far. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Dear Sanjay, pranaams In my chart, the planets are all in earthy/watery signs and thus you have ensured by your initial findings that I will definitely do some serious research lifelong! best regardsHariOn Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: Dear Visti Thank you for pointing out the error. The slides/audio has been matched properly and I have also done the same for the tables which are better now. I hope everyone is studying the slides and will get into some serious research and confirm my initial findings. Thank you Sanjay Rath Nadi Navamsha slides: http://sohamsa.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009  Respected Sanjayji, Today I was hearing to the presentation on Nadi Navamsa. Simply wonderfull. But still there is problem with audio. In between streaming stops indicating `buffering' and it never starts again. Most probably alignments of audio with the presentation is still not perfectly ok. Warm regards Jk sohamsa [sohamsa ]On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath29 October 2009 09:38'Visti Larsen'Cc: sohamsa ; jaiminisutra Subject: RE: Nadi Navamsa Dear Visti Thank you for pointing out the error. The slides/audio has been matched properly and I have also done the same for the tables which are better now. I hope everyone is studying the slides and will get into some serious research and confirm my initial findings. Thank you Sanjay Rath Nadi Navamsha slides: http://sohamsa.com Visti Larsen [visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com] 29 October 2009 03:53Sanjay RathNadi Navamsa हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£Dear Guruji, Namaskar.Very nice presentation, wish I was there.Some correction: The Audio from Slide 9 has been doubled and is present in slide 9 & 10 and then the following Audios are always in a slide ahead of the one it should be in. It does ruin the presentation somewhat.On a different note I'm looking forward to some more JD-articles for the website from you. Hope you like the website so far.Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen----------Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com@: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 om gurave namah No escape Hari, no escape. In fact this is what you will become Sanjay Rath sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya 30 October 2009 20:51 sohamsa Re: RE: Nadi Navamsa Dear Sanjay, pranaams In my chart, the planets are all in earthy/watery signs and thus you have ensured by your initial findings that I will definitely do some serious research lifelong! best regards Hari On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: Dear Visti Thank you for pointing out the error. The slides/audio has been matched properly and I have also done the same for the tables which are better now. I hope everyone is studying the slides and will get into some serious research and confirm my initial findings. Thank you Sanjay Rath Nadi Navamsha slides: http://sohamsa.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 om gurave namah Dear Goel Sahib It is not the critique that I question, it is the intention. Why was the critique not given for Krishna Mishra Navamsha when Shanmukha wrote about it? I had not seen the writings of Shanmukha but have read Iranganti Rangacharya profusely. Maybe I shoudl start reading Shanmukha as well. As I told Narasimha earlier - it is bhakti that is under doubt and question, and that is the heart. He has no bhakti for Jagannath and there is no truth in his heart. If it was there he would be able to see what he has been doing for 3 years now. Even now if someone had not shown him that the nadi navamsha is the same as that which was used by Rangacharya (Shanmukha) for understanding Krishna Mishra, his tone would not have changed. He has tried to cover up in words, as he is good with words being of Mercury Lagna, but his intention shows right through. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762 Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org Gopal Goel [gkgoel1937] 05 November 2009 21:37 JyotishWritings Cc: P.V.R. Narasimha Rao Re:Nadi Navamsa Dear Narasimha , I am convinced that you are right. BPHS adopts same methodology in D-30 and D-60 charts. The following rules have ti be observed: 1, A sign is divided in nine equal parts 2. All 12 signs will have 108 navamsa 3. In a sign , no navamsa will be repeated 4. There will be of nine navamsa of each sign As such in even signs the order will be reversed, and division will be as under: Tauras ,Virgo , Capricorn-6,5,4,3,2,1,12,11,and 10 Cancer , Scorpio , Pisces-12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,and4 As you are updating the JH-hora ,I suggest that Nadi navamsa may also be included. This will help further research which is already initiated by Pt.Rath. Regards G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA " JyotishWritings " <JyotishWritings > JyotishWritings Thu, 5 November, 2009 6:54:28 PM [JyotishWritings] Digest Number 8 Jyotish writings of P.V.R. Narasimha Rao Messages In This Digest (1 Message) 1. Krishna Mishra's Navamsa Verse (Re: Critique on Nadi Navamsa..) Narasimha PVR Rao View All Topics | Create New Topic Message 1. Krishna Mishra's Navamsa Verse (Re: Critique on Nadi Navamsa..) Posted by: " Narasimha PVR Rao " pvr pvr108 Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:05 am (PST) Namaste Souvik and others, > For those you are interested to read more, may refer to his articles in his (Shanmukha's) blog. > http://sutramritam. blogspot. com/ > > It is true that this is the same Navamsa referred to by Pt. Rath as " Nadi Navamsa " . Absolutely. Though defined in slightly different language, both are identical. The Krishna Mishra navamsa (or Jaimini navamsa) chart defined in the articles of Shanmukha is absolutely *identical* to what Pt Rath introduced as " Nadi navamsa " . * * * As I said, this is an asymmetric chart with different signs represented unequally in it. Some signs appear 12 times, some 9 times and some 6 times, instead of all signs appearing 9 times overall. THAT makes no sense whatsoever and is quite illogical, irrespective of the caliber of the scholars who taught it. It tells you something is amiss. * * * It is possible that Krishna Mishra's verse quoted by Shanmukha is misunderstood. As a Sanskrit scholar, I can certainly see it meaning the following, which is slightly different from how Shanmukha interpreted it. But that slight difference in detail changes the complexion completely and makes it logical. My independent interpretation of Krishna Mishra's verse is as follows: " The nine parts of a movable/fixed/ dual sign are mapped to nine signs starting from the 1st/9th/5th sign from it, respectively. The nine parts of the sign are considered in zodiacal/anti- zodiacal order in odd/even signs, respectively. " This is subtly different from the standard interpretation that Shanmukha went with, but note how it changtes the equation. The second Krishna Mishra verse given by Shanmukha also says that amsas in even rasis are reckoned anti-zodiacally, but it does not say the mapped signs are reckoned anti-zodiacally. So my interpretation fits with both the verses. Let me show how this changes the mapping, using an example: The nine parts of Ar reckoned zodiacally go into the nine signs starting from Ar, i.e. Ar, Ta, .., Sc, Sg. The nine parts of Ta reckoned anti-zodiacally within Ta go into the nine signs starting from Cp, i.e. Cp, Aq, ..., Le, Vi. In other words, 26Ta40-30Ta00 goes to Cp, 23Ta20-26Ta40 goes to Aq, 20Ta00-23Ta20 goes to Pi, ..., 3Ta20-6Ta40 goes to Le and 0ta0-3Ta20 goes to Vi. Then the nine parts of Ge are reckoned zodiacally again and mapped to the nine signs starting Li, i.e. Li, Sc, ..., Ta, Ge. The nine parts of Cn reckoned anti-zodiacally within Cn go into the nine signs starting from Cn, i.e. Cn, Le, ..., Aq, Pi. In other words, 26Cn40-30TCn00 goes to Cn, 23Cn20-26Cn40 goes to Le, 20Cn00-23Cn20 goes to Vi, ..., 3Cn20-6Cn40 goes to Aq and 0Cn0-3Cn20 goes to Pi. And so on. * * * Such an interpretation of Krishna Mishra's Sanskrit verse is certainly tenable. And, it does not *bias* the chart towards some signs like the standard interpretation. All signs appear exactly 9 times in the list of 108 navamsas. THAT would be logical. To find amsas in Ta in standard interpretation, we are starting from Cp and going in reverse and mapping the nine parts of Ta (0Ta0-3Ta20, 3Ta20-6Ta40, 6ta40-10Ta0 etc) to Cp, Sg, Sc etc. It results in some signs repeated too many times and some signs missing out. In my interpretation, the signs mapped to are Cp, Aq, Pi etc as in Pararsara's navamsa, but the parts within the sign that are mapped to these signs are reversed in order (26Ta40-30Ta0, 23Ta20-26Ta40, 20Ta0-23Ta20 etc). This small twist, which is perfectly tenable with Krishna Mishra's language, makes things far more logical. You do not want a navamsa chart in which not all signs appear 9 times in the list of 108 navamsas! * * * I wasn't sure why I felt compelled to write a critique on this topic. I just followed my inner inspiration faithfully, even without understanding why that action was required. NOW, I think I understand why I was inspired to get into this. The inner inspiration now tells me that my dharma with topic is finally fulfilled and I can move on... Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - ---- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@ > wrote: > Dear PVNR=ji, > > Thanks for sharing. > > The young talent and the co-author of JHora from the last version, Shanmukha has written a beautiful article on this Navamsa (aka Krishna Mishra Navamsa, Jamini Navamsa by Sri Irangati Ranganacharya) . > > Provided below are the links to his articles published in SA. > > http://www.scribd. com/doc/19874893 /Jaimini- Navamsa-Part- 1-NI > http://www.scribd. com/doc/19183735 /30True-Jaimini- Navamsa-Revealed -2 > > For those you are interested to read more, may refer to his articles in his (Shanmukha's) blog. > http://sutramritam. blogspot. com/ > > It is true that this is the same Navamsa referred to by Pt. Rath as " Nadi Navamsa " . > > Regards > > Souvik > > jhora , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > > In other words, some signs come more than some other signs in this > > > chart. In all the divisional charts defined by rishis and classics, > > > we see all signs getting equal coverage overall. In D-9 sequence, > > > all signs appear 9 times; in D-10 sequence, all signs appear 10 > > > times; and so on. Pt Rath's D-9 sequence is illogical. > > > > > > Krishna Mishra Navamsa also has jumps in it, but it is better > > > structured with logical jumps in such a way that all signs get > > > equal coverage overall. > > > > I had in mind " Kaalachakra navamsa " , which has a few specific kinds of jumps, but ended up mis-typing " Krishna Mishra Navamsa " . My apologies. > > > > In fact, the new navamsa chart christened by Pt Rath as " Nadi Navamsa " is nothing but Krishna Mishra navamsa already available in Jagannatha Hora software! > > > > BTW, my assertion about " all the divisional charts defined by rishis " has two exceptions - hora chart that has only Cn and Le and trimsamsa chart that skips Cn and Le. Even in those charts, all the signs *appearing* in the chart have an equal probability. It is only in this new navamsa chart defined by Pt Rath that some signs are more likely than others. For example, a planet is twice as likely to be in Sg or Ge than in Vi or Pi. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > ---- Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Someone sent me a link to Pt Sanjay Rath's multimedia presentation on " Nadi Navamsa " and asked for my comments. You can access the presentation at: > > > > > > http://www.sohamsa. com/dbc/nadinava msha/ > > > > > > I will share my critique on it. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Definition > > > > > > Chandra Kala Nadi verse 5753 in book 3 defines navamsa as follows: " In Ar, Le and Sg, start from Ar. In Cp, Ta and Vi, start from Cp. In Li, Aq and Ge, start from Li. In Cn, Sc and Pi, start from Cn. " > > > > > > There is absolutely no indication in the verse of going anti-zodiacally in any of the above cases and only the start sign is mentioned. So, by default, it must mean we start from the given sign and go zodiacally. This is just the regular Parasara navamsa! In other words, the nadi verse quoted by Pt Rath merely defines Parasara's navamsa. In fact, Santhanam's translation interprets it the same way, i.e. consistent with Parasara's navamsa! > > > > > > Now, Pt Rath says that you go anti-zodiacally for even signs because they have female energy. That is not mentioned by Nadi. That is his own extrapolation. Moreover, this sequence is quite oddly constructed: > > > > > > Ar Ta Ge Cn Le Vi Li Sc Sg : Cp Sg Sc Li Vi Le Cn Ge Ta : Li Sc Sg Cp Aq Pi Ar Ta Ge : Cn Ge Ta Ar Pi Aq Cp Sg Sc : Ar Ta Ge ... > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Badly Structured > > > > > > Unlike other navamsa variations (and various other divisional charts for that matter), the distribution across the twelve signs is *unequal* in Pt Rath's " Nadi Navamsa " mapping: > > > > > > Ar - 9 times, Ta - 12 times, Ge - 12 times, Cn - 9 times, > > > Le - 6 times, Vi - 6 times, Li - 9 times, Sc - 12 times, > > > Sg - 12 times, Cp - 9 times, Aq - 6 times, Pi - 6 times > > > > > > In other words, some signs come more than some other signs in this chart. In all the divisional charts defined by rishis and classics, we see all signs getting equal coverage overall. In D-9 sequence, all signs appear 9 times; in D-10 sequence, all signs appear 10 times; and so on. Pt Rath's D-9 sequence is illogical. > > > > > > If navamsas go from Ar to Sg in Ar and they pretty much cover the same signs backwards in Ta, what is the need to go just one sign up to Cp and then start coming backwards? What is the jump from Ta to Li? Krishna Mishra Navamsa also has jumps in it, but it is better structured with logical jumps in such a way that all signs get equal coverage overall. > > > > > > The chart invented by Pt Rath is essentially a badly structured chart that is NOT granted by any classic. Pt Rath seems to have come up with it, in order to solve a mystery that simply does not exist in my view. It is structurally very weak and illogical and not in the same league as the other charts we have seen before. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Motivation > > > > > > The whole research is motivated by a verse in Chandra Kala Nadi. Verse 2115 in book 1 can litereally be translated as: " if Sun is in debilitated amsa and Taurus, the second dasa will give thread ceremony. " > > > > > > Pt Rath notes that a planet in Taurus cannot be in Libra navamsa and comes up with a new navamsa chart calculation to allow that. However, there are several possible interpretations of the verse without having to design a new chart: > > > > > > (1) Amsa does not mean navamsa, but a different divisional chart (e.g. dwadasamsa, vimsamsa etc). > > > (2) The verse means that Sun in Li amsa and Sun in Ta amsa, give thread ceremony in the 2nd dasa. In other words, Sun has to be in a Venusian amsa. This is certainly a tenable interpretation. > > > (3) Kalachakra navamsa, which can be derived from the Kalachakra dasa tables given by Parasara, allows Li navamsa in Ta! As you go across the zodiac from Ar to Pi and take 9 navamsas in each, the 12x9=108 navamsas go as Ar, Ta, ..., Aq, Pi; Sc, Li, ..., Cp, Sg; Ar, Ta, ..., Aq, Pi; Sc, Li, ..., Cp, Sg; and so on. Thre nakshatras give navamsas (3x4=12) in the savya chakra (zodiacal cycle) and three nakshatras give navamsas in apasavya chakra (anto-zodiacal cycle) and so on. This way, navamsas in Ta will be Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge. So Li navamsa comes in Ta! > > > (4) There is an error in the manuscripts as Santhanam suspected. > > > > > > Given different ways in which the verse can be explained, there is no real motivation to come up with whole new calculations just to explain it. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Example - Abraham Lincoln > > > > > > He died in Saturn-Saturn antardasa. Pt Rath questions how Saturn in navamsa lagna could have killed him. > > > > > > One wonders why he is seeing death from navamsa. He says death is an internal thing and not an external thing. Because of his theory that internal things are seen from nadi navamsa (i.e. his newly created chart) and external things are seen from Pararsara navamsa and because he wants to justify death in Saturn dasa based on nadi navamsa but not Parasara navamsa, he makes death into an internal thing and not an external thing. > > > > > > But death is internal *as well as* external. After all, it's not like the world does not know it when one dies!! > > > > > > Actually, forget navamsa, which is not really the chart of death. Take rasi chart, the chart of physical body. It must surely show death. Saturn is lagna lord in a quadrant. Why did he kill? It makes no sense. > > > > > > Lincoln has two planets in lagna, while Moon is in an inimical sign in 12th. Lagna is much stronger than Moon. Thus, Vimsottari dasa from lagna is far more appropriate for him. Parasara never said dasas are only from Moon's star. They can be from the star of Moon or lagna. Based on lagna Vimsottari, which is far far more appropriate here, Mercury dasa started in 1965 February and he died 2 months later. Mercury is the 8th lord in lagna with 7th lord. He is a maraka using classical rules of Parasara. So Lincoln died as soon as a classical maraka dasa started. > > > > > > Instead of making lagna lord of rasi chart (Saturn) a maraka simply because he is in the 7th house in a newly constructed chart, let us stick to simple principles and accept 8th lord in lagna with 7th lord (Mercury) as a maraka, irrespective of navamsa. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Example - A.R. Rahman ( " Jai ho " composer) > > > > > > Indian composer A.R. Rahman became popular in the Dwisaptati sama dasa of Mars (1998-2007). Pt Rath asked why Mars made him so successful despite being in the 8th house in navamsa. He pointed out that Mars in 10th house in nadi navamsa and said that explains his " siddhi " . > > > > > > Questions arise: What does he mean by siddhi, which he says is " internal " and hence seen in nadi navamsa? How does Pt Rath know that Rahman got this siddhi in Mars dasa? If he is concluding it by externally looking at the quality of his compositions or their success, isn't then this " siddhi " an external thing? Why is it only internal? Why is this " siddhi " seen in navamsa and not siddhamsa (D-24) or some other chart? > > > > > > Moreover, he is composing as well in Mercury dasa (since 2007). In fact, his international fame (e.g. Jai ho from " Slumdog Millionnaire " ) came in Mercury dasa. Mercury is 8th lord in 7th in both Parasara navamsa and " nadi navamsa " . Why does he continue to maintain " siddhi " , compose well and increase fame in this dasa? > > > > > > Now, let us simply address the basic question - why this success in Mars dasa? > > > > > > Though Mars is in 8th in Parasara navamsa, he is lagna lord. Lagna lord in 8th can give sudden rise. Navamsa is the chart of poorvapunya. Lagna lord is always beneficial. So his poorvapunya gives him sudden and unexpected rise. In rasi, Mars is the 6th lord in 8th with 12th lord. This is VRY and shows rising to great heights after suffering. VRY does not necessarily show getting " undeserved " success after someone dies as Pt Rath said in the presentation. It shows rising to great and unexpected heights after suffering. > > > > > > In any case, dasamsa is the real chart for this. In D-10, Mars is 10th and 5th lord and a yogakaraka. He is in keertipada (A5). Though he is in 8th, yogakaraka in 8th gives sudden fame and sudden rise. > > > > > > Success in Mars dasa makes sense without resorting to nadi navamsa. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Example - Rabindranath Tagore > > > > > > He questions how Jupiter can kill, because he is lagna lord in 12th in navamsa. With his " nadi navamsa " , Jupiter is 2nd and 5th lord in 2nd. He says that explains death in Jupiter-Jupiter dasa. > > > > > > However, death cannot be justified just based on navamsa. Rasi chart must show it. Jupiter is the lagna lord exalted in 5th. How can his dasa and antardasa give death? Obviously, he is using a wrong dasa to see death. > > > > > > Pt Rath used Dwisaptati sama dasa for Rahman and not Vimsottari. So he does use conditional dasas when they are applicable? Why doesn't he then use Sataabdika dasa here, as lagna is in vargottama?? > > > > > > If we use Lagna Sataabdika dasa for vargottama lagna, we see that Saturn-Venus antardasa killed him. Saturn is a malefic in an inimical sign aspecting 8th house and 3rd house, while Venus is the 8th lord in 2nd and aspecting 8th. This fits Parasara's criteria for marakatwa very well. > > > > > > Let us not ignore the true marakas associated with the 8th house and convert lagna lord of rasi chart exalted in the 5th house into a maraka, simply because he is in the 2nd house in a new chart. > > > > > > Even wife's death is clear. Jupiter is the 7th lord from the arudha pada of 7th lord and his Sataabdika dasa killed wife. Antardasa was that of Sun, who is a malefic in 3rd with Rahu. > > > > > > As for his Nobel prize, Mars-Saturn gave it as per lagna Sataabdika dasa. In D-10, Mars is yogakaraka in 11th aspecting 5th. Saturn is 7th lord with 5th lord Jupiter and exchanges results. So both the planets are associated with 5th. If we do not insist on seeing the events from navamsa and use the correct chart (D-10), it makes good sense. In any case, Pt Rath did not really have any convincing logic using nadi navamsa. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Nadi navamsa, Nadis and Chakras > > > > > > Simply because he " sees " a mystery in a " nadi " text and " solves " it by defining a new chart, he seems to jump to the conclusion that this chart shows internal " nadis and chakras " and death. He never justifies why this chart should show " nadis and chakras " , though he makes that assertion several times. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Internal vs External > > > > > > After saying that Parasara navamsa shows external things and nadi navamsa shows internal things, he shows how Parasara navamsa does not explain Knighthood and Nobel prize in Tagore's chart and how nadi navamsa shows it. He explains it saying " you get recognition for what *you* do and not what somebody else does " and thus makes recognition into an internal thing. This blurs the distinction between internal and external. On one hand, he says " manifestation of the entire external world is from Parasara's navamsa " and yet says Knighthood and Nobel cannot be seen in it because they are internal siddhis and nadi navamsa shows them better. > > > > > > To put it bluntly, he is all over the place and really offers no clarity on what constitutes internal things and what constitutes external things, what should be seen in which navamsa chart. > > > > > > Even his assertion that apamrityu is not death but death like suffering and his effort to divide mrityu and apamrityu as internal and external things and separate them out into the 2 charts is illogical. Apamrityu can mean either death like suffering or an unnatural death. Whether someone had an apamrityu or mrityu, it is an internal *and* external event. World sees it, it affects how one interacts with the world and it affects one internally. The effort to these classify things into internal vs external things is illogical. > > > > > > When trying to see Tagore's external recognition in nadi navamsa, because Pt Rath somehow considers it an " internal " event, he explains why the antardasa of Venus - 12th lord in 12th - gave the recognition, saying that the recognition was " from abroad " . He then goes on to say, " from now onwards remember that 12th house is not bad. It can give recognition " . The 12th lord in 12th is a good combination, but nowhere did rishis say that it gives recognition! With this kind of logic, anything can be justified. Contrast this explanation with what I gave above based on D-10 and Sataabdika dasa! > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Pt Rath is all over the place and inconsistent in his characterization of internal vs external (his idea of things to be seen in Parasara's navamsa vs his navamsa). He theorizes a lot in a very inconsistent fashion. Above all, the chart constructed by him has some signs occurring too often and some signs occurring less often. It is structurally very weak and does not pass a sanity check of constructional stability. Such a structurally weak chart that is not sanctioned by any classic can almost be ruled out from being genuine. > > > > > > In my view, one has a higher chance of arriving at some genuine knowledge, if one sticks to calculations given by a rishi and tries to figure out the purpose of those calculations. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity · 35 New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Celebrity Parents Spotlight on Kids Hollywood families share stories Y! Groups blog the best source for the latest scoop on Groups. Need to Reply? Click one of the " Reply " links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. 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Guest guest Posted November 9, 2009 Report Share Posted November 9, 2009 Om Gurave NamahaDear all,Sanjay ji' s presentation is not accessible now, is there any other source?ThanksRegardsSharatOn 29 Oct 2009, at 04:07, Sanjay Rath wrote: Dear VistiThank you for pointing out the error. The slides/audio has been matched properly and I have also done the same for the tables which are better now. I hope everyone is studying the slides and will get into some serious research and confirm my initial findings.Thank youSanjay RathNadi Navamsha slides: http://sohamsa.com Visti Larsen [visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com] 29 October 2009 03:53 Sanjay Rath Nadi Navamsa हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Guruji, Namaskar. Very nice presentation, wish I was there. Some correction: The Audio from Slide 9 has been doubled and is present in slide 9 & 10 and then the following Audios are always in a slide ahead of the one it should be in. It does ruin the presentation somewhat. On a different note I'm looking forward to some more JD-articles for the website from you. Hope you like the website so far. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sharat, Noted. I will inform Sanjayji. Meanwhile he has a samll video uploaded on his home page on Putins chart. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Homepage: http://sarbani.com Sagittarius Publications: http://sagittariuspublications.com Sohamsa: http://sohamsa.com Sri Jagannath Centre: http://.org Sharat Misra [gidoc] 10 November 2009 00:29 sohamsa Re: RE: Nadi Navamsa Om Gurave Namaha Dear all, Sanjay ji' s presentation is not accessible now, is there any other source? Thanks Regards Sharat On 29 Oct 2009, at 04:07, Sanjay Rath wrote: Dear Visti Thank you for pointing out the error. The slides/audio has been matched properly and I have also done the same for the tables which are better now. I hope everyone is studying the slides and will get into some serious research and confirm my initial findings. Thank you Sanjay Rath Nadi Navamsha slides: http://sohamsa.com Visti Larsen [visti] 29 October 2009 03:53 Sanjay Rath Nadi Navamsa हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Guruji, Namaskar. Very nice presentation, wish I was there. Some correction: The Audio from Slide 9 has been doubled and is present in slide 9 & 10 and then the following Audios are always in a slide ahead of the one it should be in. It does ruin the presentation somewhat. On a different note I'm looking forward to some more JD-articles for the website from you. Hope you like the website so far. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Dear SarbaniThanksYes have seen both parts of Putin, very informative.Best RegardsSharat Misra MD,DM,FRCPConsultant GastroenterologistSent from my iPhone 3GOn 10 Nov 2009, at 09:52 AM, "Sarbani Rath" <sarbani wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sharat, Noted. I will inform Sanjayji. Meanwhile he has a samll video uploaded on his home page on Putins chart. Best Regards, Sarbani Rath Homepage: http://sarbani.com Sagittarius Publications: http://sagittariuspublications.com Sohamsa: http://sohamsa.com Sri Jagannath Centre: http://.org Sharat Misra [gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org] 10 November 2009 00:29 sohamsa Re: RE: Nadi Navamsa Om Gurave Namaha Dear all, Sanjay ji' s presentation is not accessible now, is there any other source? Thanks Regards Sharat On 29 Oct 2009, at 04:07, Sanjay Rath wrote: Dear Visti Thank you for pointing out the error. The slides/audio has been matched properly and I have also done the same for the tables which are better now. I hope everyone is studying the slides and will get into some serious research and confirm my initial findings. Thank you Sanjay Rath Nadi Navamsha slides: http://sohamsa.com Visti Larsen [visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com] 29 October 2009 03:53 Sanjay Rath Nadi Navamsa हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Guruji, Namaskar. Very nice presentation, wish I was there. Some correction: The Audio from Slide 9 has been doubled and is present in slide 9 & 10 and then the following Audios are always in a slide ahead of the one it should be in. It does ruin the presentation somewhat. On a different note I'm looking forward to some more JD-articles for the website from you. Hope you like the website so far. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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