Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk Tatva deitiessohamsa Cc: sanjayrathDate: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Maja,Greetings.Nice explanation. Am I right in thinking that there would be a rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example : Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in 12H,worshipping Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H).The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya.Best regardsSharat On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Štrbac wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa Cc: sanjayrath Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Hi Maja,No,it is not correct method.Mars is in 7th house it is in Vayu form.In Lord ram chart Mars is in 7th house,Hanuman comes in Vayu form(Vayu's son)I need deities in that way for the following tatvas1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastroRe: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 6:44 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteOK Where do you Akash Tatva in this way? ;)Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvkRe: Tatva deitiessohamsa Cc: sanjayrathDate: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:00 AM Hi Maja,No,it is not correct method.Mars is in 7th house it is in Vayu form.In Lord ram chart Mars is in 7th house,Hanuman comes in Vayu form(Vayu's son)I need deities in that way for the following tatvas1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSaturday, 12 December, 2009, 6:44 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteOK Where do you put Akash Tatva in this way? ;)Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastroRe: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:30 AM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteOK Where do you Akash Tatva in this way? ;)Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSunday, December 13, 2009, 12:00 AM Hi Maja,No,it is not correct method.Mars is in 7th house it is in Vayu form.In Lord ram chart Mars is in 7th house,Hanuman comes in Vayu form(Vayu's son)I need deities in that way for the following tatvas1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSaturday, 12 December, 2009, 6:44 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Hi Maja,I have no idea where is Akash tava here.It was taught like that in Atri class.Thanks,Venkatesh--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastroRe: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 2:00 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteOK Where do you Akash Tatva in this way? ;)Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSunday, December 13, 2009, 12:00 AM Hi Maja,No,it is not correct method.Mars is in 7th house it is in Vayu form.In Lord ram chart Mars is in 7th house,Hanuman comes in Vayu form(Vayu's son)I need deities in that way for the following tatvas1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSaturday, 12 December, 2009, 6:44 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteGood. I hope that it doesn't mean you will stop your Tatva learning with one lesson. In our Parampara you can always count on at least few lessons available online and related to one subject.As far as "where to fit Akash in that order", all I can say is keep on looking and I promise you will find out sooner or later. I did.I gave you list of Deities for Tatvas, that is fine and settled.If you are interested to find more arguments on why to apply Tatvas the way I told you, you can listen to this lecture:http://srigaruda.com/visti/index.php/publications/mp3/35-misc/160-lecture-on-remediesEnjoy! That is also from Achyuta Parampara. Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvkRe: Tatva deitiessohamsa Cc: sanjayrathDate: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:34 AM Hi Maja,I have no idea where is Akash tava here.It was taught like that in Atri class.Thanks,Venkatesh--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSunday, 13 December, 2009, 2:00 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteOK Where do you Akash Tatva in this way? ;)Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSunday, December 13, 2009, 12:00 AM Hi Maja,No,it is not correct method.Mars is in 7th house it is in Vayu form.In Lord ram chart Mars is in 7th house,Hanuman comes in Vayu form(Vayu's son)I need deities in that way for the following tatvas1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSaturday, 12 December, 2009, 6:44 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteThanx! Nice to hear from you.I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I don't apply Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that I was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, this usually means that way out is much longer.In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc wrote:Sharat Misra <gidocRe: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Maja,Greetings.Nice explanation. Am I right in thinking that there would be a rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example : Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in 12H,worshipping Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H).The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya.Best regardsSharat On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Å trbac wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Om Gurave NamhaDear Venkatesh,You may want to modify your table as follows:(tatva correlate with signs)Maja's table is correct and to this you add the signs and tatva lordshipAkash All pervading( all signs) Vishnu JupiterAgni Aries, Leo, Sagittarius Surya MarsPrithvi Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn Ganesh MercuryVayu Gemini, Libra,Aquarius Shiva SaturnJala Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces Devi VenusWhen you refer to Sri Ram's chart you are looking at the yoga between lagna and 7H which is a dristi sambandha between Sri Ram and Hanuman, which fructified out of desire.Hope that helps.Best wishesSharatOn 13 Dec 2009, at 09:01, Maja Štrbac wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteGood. I hope that it doesn't mean you will stop your Tatva learning with one lesson. In our Parampara you can always count on at least few lessons available online and related to one subject.As far as "where to fit Akash in that order", all I can say is keep on looking and I promise you will find out sooner or later. I did.I gave you list of Deities for Tatvas, that is fine and settled.If you are interested to find more arguments on why to apply Tatvas the way I told you, you can listen to this lecture:http://srigaruda.com/visti/index.php/publications/mp3/35-misc/160-lecture-on-remediesEnjoy! That is also from Achyuta Parampara. Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa Cc: sanjayrath Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:34 AM Hi Maja,I have no idea where is Akash tava here.It was taught like that in Atri class.Thanks,Venkatesh--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSunday, 13 December, 2009, 2:00 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteOK Where do you Akash Tatva in this way? ;)Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSunday, December 13, 2009, 12:00 AM Hi Maja,No,it is not correct method.Mars is in 7th house it is in Vayu form.In Lord ram chart Mars is in 7th house,Hanuman comes in Vayu form(Vayu's son)I need deities in that way for the following tatvas1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSaturday, 12 December, 2009, 6:44 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Maja,Namaskar,Yes youre right in the way we deal with remedy of curses and I learned the same as well. Tatva will be another means to overcome the evils of a malefic planet not necessarily in a curse and to be applied when there is no other way out. Thanks for your response.Best regardsSharatOn 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Štrbac wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteThanx! Nice to hear from you.I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I don't apply Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that I was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, this usually means that way out is much longer.In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org>Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Maja,Greetings.Nice explanation. Am I right in thinking that there would be a rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example : Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in 12H,worshipping Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H).The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya.Best regardsSharat On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Štrbac wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteI would love to read more about it. Honestly, it is my first time learn that karaka of Tatva should be strongly placed. In that case I will need explanation why not to use strong karaka placement for Tatva remedy in curses and why to use strong karaka placement in this case.Any chart example how to apply it? I will need illustration.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc wrote:Sharat Misra <gidocRe: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 1:59 AM Om Gurave NamahDear Maja,Namaskar,Yes youre right in the way we deal with remedy of curses and I learned the same as well. Tatva will be another means to overcome the evils of a malefic planet not necessarily in a curse and to be applied when there is no other way out. Thanks for your response.Best regardsSharatOn 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Å trbac wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat, namasteThanx! Nice to hear from you.I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I don't apply Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that I was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, this usually means that way out is much longer.In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org>Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Maja,Greetings.Nice explanation. Am I right in thinking that there would be a rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example : Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in 12H,worshipping Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H).The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya.Best regardsSharat On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Å trbac wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 klim krishna klim Dear Members If mars in seventh is source of affliction like curse etc, then dispositor and karaka bhava must be checked. In dispositor level we use Guru-roopa, for karaka bhava we use always pratyadi, if both are badly placed then we use Devi (same for three planet affliction) form of the graha. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- Consultations & Pages www.rohinaa.com Jyotish Tutorials www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz Mail: rgendarz rgendarz Skype: jyotraff1 Maja Štrbac pisze:  Om Gurave Namah Dear Sharat, namaste I would love to read more about it. Honestly, it is my first time learn that karaka of Tatva should be strongly placed. In that case I will need explanation why not to use strong karaka placement for Tatva remedy in curses and why to use strong karaka placement in this case. Any chart example how to apply it? I will need illustration. Warm regards, Maja Strbac --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote: Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Re: Tatva deities sohamsa Sunday, December 13, 2009, 1:59 AM  Om Gurave Namah Dear Maja, Namaskar, Yes youre right in the way we deal with remedy of curses and I learned the same as well. Tatva will be another means to overcome the evils of a malefic planet not necessarily in a curse and to be applied when there is no other way out. Thanks for your response. Best regards Sharat On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Štrbac wrote:  Om Gurave Namah Dear Sharat, namaste Thanx! Nice to hear from you. I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I don't apply Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that I was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, this usually means that way out is much longer. In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. Warm regards, Maja Strbac --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote: Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Re: Tatva deities sohamsa@ .com Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM  Om Gurave Namah Dear Maja, Greetings. Nice explanation.  Am I right in thinking that there would be a rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example : Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in 12H,worshipping Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. Best regards Sharat On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Štrbac wrote:  Om Gurave Namah Dear Venkatesh, namaste Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva. I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi. Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas: Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras) Prithivi-Ganesha Jala-Devi Vayu-Shiva Akash-Vishnu Hope this helps. Warm regards, Maja Strbac --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote: Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deities sohamsa@ .com Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM   Dear Sanjay,  Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva 4,8,12 - Jal tatva  Thanks, Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 JAI MAArespected sirnamaskar sir will u plz give some more details on this issue. i will be very thankful to you.thanks--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:Rafał Gendarz <starsuponmeRe: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:18 PM klim krishna klim Dear Members If mars in seventh is source of affliction like curse etc, then dispositor and karaka bhava must be checked. In dispositor level we use Guru-roopa, for karaka bhava we use always pratyadi, if both are badly placed then we use Devi (same for three planet affliction) form of the graha. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru ------------ -- Consultations & Pages www.rohinaa. com Jyotish Tutorials www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz Mail: rgendarz@googlewave .com rgendarz (AT) gmail (DOT) com Skype: jyotraff1 Maja Štrbac pisze: Om Gurave Namah Dear Sharat, namaste I would love to read more about it. Honestly, it is my first time learn that karaka of Tatva should be strongly placed. In that case I will need explanation why not to use strong karaka placement for Tatva remedy in curses and why to use strong karaka placement in this case. Any chart example how to apply it? I will need illustration. Warm regards, Maja Strbac --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote: Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Re: Tatva deities sohamsa@ .com Sunday, December 13, 2009, 1:59 AM Om Gurave Namah Dear Maja, Namaskar, Yes youre right in the way we deal with remedy of curses and I learned the same as well. Tatva will be another means to overcome the evils of a malefic planet not necessarily in a curse and to be applied when there is no other way out. Thanks for your response. Best regards Sharat On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Štrbac wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Sharat, namaste Thanx! Nice to hear from you. I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I don't apply Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that I was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, this usually means that way out is much longer. In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. Warm regards, Maja Strbac --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote: Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> Re: Tatva deities sohamsa@ .com Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM Om Gurave Namah Dear Maja, Greetings. Nice explanation. Am I right in thinking that there would be a rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example : Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in 12H,worshipping Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. Best regards Sharat On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Štrbac wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Venkatesh, namaste Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva. I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi. Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas: Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras) Prithivi-Ganesha Jala-Devi Vayu-Shiva Akash-Vishnu Hope this helps. Warm regards, Maja Strbac --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote: Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deities sohamsa@ .com Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva 4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks, Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Hi Sharat, In Lord Rama chart,yoga between lagna and 7H which is a dristi sambandha between Sri Ram and Hanuman, which fructified out of desire. Here Saturn is in kendra to Jupiter. Will it not block the efficacy of the aspect? Thanks, Venkatesh--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc wrote: Sharat Misra <gidocRe: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 3:21 PM Om Gurave Namha Dear Venkatesh, You may want to modify your table as follows: (tatva correlate with signs) Maja's table is correct and to this you add the signs and tatva lordship Akash All pervading( all signs) Vishnu Jupiter Agni Aries, Leo, Sagittarius Surya Mars Prithvi Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn Ganesh Mercury Vayu Gemini, Libra,Aquarius Shiva Saturn Jala Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces Devi Venus When you refer to Sri Ram's chart you are looking at the yoga between lagna and 7H which is a dristi sambandha between Sri Ram and Hanuman, which fructified out of desire. Hope that helps. Best wishes Sharat On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:01, Maja Å trbac wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteGood. I hope that it doesn't mean you will stop your Tatva learning with one lesson. In our Parampara you can always count on at least few lessons available online and related to one subject.As far as "where to fit Akash in that order", all I can say is keep on looking and I promise you will find out sooner or later. I did.I gave you list of Deities for Tatvas, that is fine and settled.If you are interested to find more arguments on why to apply Tatvas the way I told you, you can listen to this lecture:http://srigaruda. com/visti/ index.php/ publications/ mp3/35-misc/ 160-lecture- on-remediesEnjoy! That is also from Achyuta Parampara. Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote: Venkatesh <ksvssvk >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSunday, December 13, 2009, 12:34 AM Hi Maja, I have no idea where is Akash tava here. It was taught like that in Atri class. Thanks, Venkatesh--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSunday, 13 December, 2009, 2:00 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteOK Where do you Akash Tatva in this way? ;)Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote: Venkatesh <ksvssvk >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSunday, December 13, 2009, 12:00 AM Hi Maja, No,it is not correct method. Mars is in 7th house it is in Vayu form.In Lord ram chart Mars is in 7th house,Hanuman comes in Vayu form(Vayu's son) I need deities in that way for the following tatvas 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks, Venkatesh --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSaturday, 12 December, 2009, 6:44 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote: Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Maja, In the example, is Venus the bhavakaraka for 12th house? Do we have to use " Tattva of KAraka " or " Tattva of Bhava-karaka " ? Thanks and Best Regards, SS > On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Štrbac wrote: > > > >  > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sharat, namaste > > > > Thanx! Nice to hear from you. > > > > I almost never use words " you are wrong " , but I am afraid I don't apply > Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that I > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, > this usually means that way out is much longer. > > > > In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. > > > > Warm regards, > > Maja Strbac > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > wrote: > > > > Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > Re: Tatva deities > > sohamsa@ .com > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM > > > >  > > Om Gurave Namah > > > Dear Maja, > Greetings. > > > > Nice explanation. >  Am I right in thinking that there would be a > rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the > bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example : > Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in 12H,worshipping > Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). > The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a > curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. > Best regards > Sharat On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Štrbac wrote: > > > >  > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Venkatesh, namaste > > > > Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, > take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is > done, apply Devata of that Tatva. > > > > I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: > you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be > problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can > be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala > Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice > should be Maha Lakshmi. > > > > Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? > > > > List of Deities for Tatvas: > > > > Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of > Brahma mantras) > > Prithivi-Ganesha > > Jala-Devi > > Vayu-Shiva > > Akash-Vishnu > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Warm regards, > > Maja Strbac > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh ksvssvk > > wrote: > > > > Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > Tatva deities > > sohamsa@ .com > > Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM > > > >   > Dear Sanjay, >  > Please give the Deities based > on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. > What are the Deities for other > tatvas for the following principle? > > > 1,5,9 - Agni tatva > > 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva > > 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva > > 4,8,12 - Jal tatva >  > > > Thanks, > > Venkatesh > The INTERNET now has a > personality. YOURS! See > your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear SS, namasteNo, it is probably misunderstanding, Venus is not karaka for 12th in this example, we mentioned that it is placed in 12th bhava, but it is (normally) primary karaka for 7th bhava. I mentioned bhava karaka in my email, so I am using this. I was aiming on primary bhava karaka: 1st/Surya, 2nd/Guru, 3rd/Mangal, 4th/Chandra, 5th/Guru, 6th/Sani (for this purpose), 7th/Sukra, 8th/Sani, 9th/Guru, 10th/Budh, 11th/Guru and 12th/Sani. In order to avoid any further confusion I will add Tatvas of these Karakas (actually grahas): 1st/Agni, 2nd/Akash, 3rd/Agni, 4th/Jala, 5th/Akash, 6th/Vayu, 7th/Jala, 8th/Vayu, 9th/Akash, 10th/Prithivi, 11th/Akash and 12th/Vayu.Now add deities to Tatvas and there you go. (Hope I did not make any typo up there :)Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak <soulsadhak wrote:soulsadhak <soulsadhak Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:24 AM Dear Maja, In the example, is Venus the bhavakaraka for 12th house? Do we have to use " Tattva of KAraka" or "Tattva of Bhava-karaka" ? Thanks and Best Regards, SS > On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Štrbac wrote: > > > >  > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sharat, namaste > > > > Thanx! Nice to hear from you. > > > > I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I don't apply > Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that I > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, > this usually means that way out is much longer. > > > > In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. > > > > Warm regards, > > Maja Strbac > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > wrote: > > > > Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > Re: Tatva deities > > sohamsa@ .com > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM > > > >  > > Om Gurave Namah > > > Dear Maja, > Greetings. > > > > Nice explanation. >  Am I right in thinking that there would be a > rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the > bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example : > Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in 12H,worshipping > Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). > The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a > curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. > Best regards > Sharat On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Štrbac wrote: > > > >  > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Venkatesh, namaste > > > > Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, > take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is > done, apply Devata of that Tatva. > > > > I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: > you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be > problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can > be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala > Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice > should be Maha Lakshmi. > > > > Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? > > > > List of Deities for Tatvas: > > > > Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of > Brahma mantras) > > Prithivi-Ganesha > > Jala-Devi > > Vayu-Shiva > > Akash-Vishnu > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Warm regards, > > Maja Strbac > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh ksvssvk > > wrote: > > > > Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > Tatva deities > > sohamsa@ .com > > Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM > > > >   > Dear Sanjay, >  > Please give the Deities based > on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. > What are the Deities for other > tatvas for the following principle? > > > 1,5,9 - Agni tatva > > 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva > > 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva > > 4,8,12 - Jal tatva >  > > > Thanks, > > Venkatesh > The INTERNET now has a > personality. YOURS! See > your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your preferred Email name! > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. com. > http://mail. promotions. / newdomains/ aa/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Hello Maja, Thanks for the reply. I am still not able to make out why you mentioned " Jala tattva " for " karaka " " Sukra " that is " placed in 12th bhava " : " In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. " Karaka of the bhava (12th house) is Saturn and it's tattva is Vayu or am I still not understanding what you meant in this example; i.e. if you are not using tattva of bhavakaraka, are you using tattva of karaka Sukra? Thanks again and Best Regards, SS sohamsa , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear SS, namaste > > No, it is probably misunderstanding, Venus is not karaka for 12th in this example, we mentioned that it is placed in 12th bhava, but it is (normally) primary karaka for 7th bhava. > > I mentioned bhava karaka in my email, so I am using this. I was aiming on primary bhava karaka: 1st/Surya, 2nd/Guru, 3rd/Mangal, 4th/Chandra, 5th/Guru, 6th/Sani (for this purpose), 7th/Sukra, 8th/Sani, 9th/Guru, 10th/Budh, 11th/Guru and 12th/Sani. > > In order to avoid any further confusion I will add Tatvas of these Karakas (actually grahas): 1st/Agni, 2nd/Akash, 3rd/Agni, 4th/Jala, 5th/Akash, 6th/Vayu, 7th/Jala, 8th/Vayu, 9th/Akash, 10th/Prithivi, 11th/Akash and 12th/Vayu. > > Now add deities to Tatvas and there you go. (Hope I did not make any typo up there > > Warm regards, > Maja Strbac > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak soulsadhak wrote: > > soulsadhak soulsadhak > Re: Tatva deities > sohamsa > Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:24 AM >  > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > In the example, is Venus the bhavakaraka for 12th house? > > > > Do we have to use " Tattva of KAraka " or " Tattva of Bhava-karaka " ? > > > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > > > SS > > > > > On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Å trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sharat, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx! Nice to hear from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I almost never use words " you are wrong " , but I am afraid I don't > > apply > > > Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that > > I > > > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of > > > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of > > > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of > > > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this > > > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, > > > this usually means that way out is much longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > > > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > > > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > > > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > > > > Re: Tatva deities > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. > > >  Am I right in thinking that there would be a > > > rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the > > > bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example > > : > > > Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in > > 12H,worshipping > > > Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). > > > The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a > > > curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. > > > Best regards > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Å trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava > > karaka, > > > take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is > > > done, apply Devata of that Tatva. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is > > done: > > > you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be > > > problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can > > > be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala > > > Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava > > choice > > > should be Maha Lakshmi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? > > > > > > > > > > > > List of Deities for Tatvas: > > > > > > > > > > > > Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of > > > Brahma mantras) > > > > > > Prithivi-Ganesha > > > > > > Jala-Devi > > > > > > Vayu-Shiva > > > > > > Akash-Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > > > > Tatva deities > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Sanjay, > > >  > > > Please give the Deities based > > > on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. > > > What are the Deities for other > > > tatvas for the following principle? > > > > > > > > > 1,5,9 - Agni tatva > > > > > > 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva > > > > > > 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva > > > > > > 4,8,12 - Jal tatva > > >  > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a > > > personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear SS, namasteBut answer is right there in that paragraph you copied from my email. No, you should not use Vayu Tatva of karaka for 12th bhava in any of these steps. Reason why I mentioned Jala tatva for Sukra, here it is again: I was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is.OK, once again, imagine curse in 7th bhava. Lord of 7th is not well placed, next step is to look at Karaka. Karaka for 7th bhava is Sukra. If it is well placed, you can give Lakshmi mantra. If it is placed in Dusthan, like occupying 12th bhava, then you can not advise Lakshmi (pratyadhi devata) mantra. In that case you still stick to Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra, but at this step the only help left is Tatva of Sukra, which is Jala, and Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so you advise Devi mantra.Simple basic steps for curses...Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak <soulsadhak wrote:soulsadhak <soulsadhak Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 9:04 AM Hello Maja, Thanks for the reply. I am still not able to make out why you mentioned "Jala tattva" for "karakaSukra" that is "placed in 12th bhava": " In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case." Karaka of the bhava (12th house) is Saturn and it's tattva is Vayu or am I still not understanding what you meant in this example; i.e. if you are not using tattva of bhavakaraka, are you using tattva of karaka Sukra? Thanks again and Best Regards, SS sohamsa@ .com, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear SS, namaste > > No, it is probably misunderstanding, Venus is not karaka for 12th in this example, we mentioned that it is placed in 12th bhava, but it is (normally) primary karaka for 7th bhava. > > I mentioned bhava karaka in my email, so I am using this. I was aiming on primary bhava karaka: 1st/Surya, 2nd/Guru, 3rd/Mangal, 4th/Chandra, 5th/Guru, 6th/Sani (for this purpose), 7th/Sukra, 8th/Sani, 9th/Guru, 10th/Budh, 11th/Guru and 12th/Sani. > > In order to avoid any further confusion I will add Tatvas of these Karakas (actually grahas): 1st/Agni, 2nd/Akash, 3rd/Agni, 4th/Jala, 5th/Akash, 6th/Vayu, 7th/Jala, 8th/Vayu, 9th/Akash, 10th/Prithivi, 11th/Akash and 12th/Vayu. > > Now add deities to Tatvas and there you go. (Hope I did not make any typo up there > > Warm regards, > Maja Strbac > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak soulsadhak@. .. wrote: > > soulsadhak soulsadhak@. .. > Re: Tatva deities > sohamsa@ .com > Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:24 AM >  > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > In the example, is Venus the bhavakaraka for 12th house? > > > > Do we have to use " Tattva of KAraka" or "Tattva of Bhava-karaka" ? > > > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > > > SS > > > > > On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Å trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sharat, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx! Nice to hear from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I don't > > apply > > > Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that > > I > > > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of > > > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of > > > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of > > > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this > > > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, > > > this usually means that way out is much longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > > > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > > > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > > > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > > > > Re: Tatva deities > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. > > >  Am I right in thinking that there would be a > > > rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the > > > bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example > > : > > > Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in > > 12H,worshipping > > > Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). > > > The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a > > > curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. > > > Best regards > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Å trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava > > karaka, > > > take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is > > > done, apply Devata of that Tatva. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is > > done: > > > you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be > > > problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can > > > be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala > > > Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava > > choice > > > should be Maha Lakshmi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? > > > > > > > > > > > > List of Deities for Tatvas: > > > > > > > > > > > > Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of > > > Brahma mantras) > > > > > > Prithivi-Ganesha > > > > > > Jala-Devi > > > > > > Vayu-Shiva > > > > > > Akash-Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > > > > Tatva deities > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Sanjay, > > >  > > > Please give the Deities based > > > on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. > > > What are the Deities for other > > > tatvas for the following principle? > > > > > > > > > 1,5,9 - Agni tatva > > > > > > 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva > > > > > > 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva > > > > > > 4,8,12 - Jal tatva > > >  > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a > > > personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteI see that you are insisting on chart of Sri Rama and Mangal in 7th bhava Okie.For now I recommend you to dedicate more time on learning and finding examples for Tatva remedies the way I described. First learn to solve problems, charts are full of it. If attention is not paid on solving biggest problems in charts at first place, there is no point in strengthening other yogas or auspicious placements. It will not work (or it will work very hard).As far as Vayu Tatva for example of Mangal in 7th bhava in chart of Sri Rama, it is correct indeed. It has to do with Pancha Maha Purusha Yoga. In case you are not familiar what is Maha Purusha Yoga, it is formed whenever Guru, Sukra, Budh, Sani or Mangal are placed in one of four kendras from natal lagna (only lagna, not AL or Chandra), but they should be placed in own or exaltation sign. You will notice that only these five grahas are qualified to form Maha Purusha Yoga and these five are Garahas lording over Pancha Tatvas.When Maha Purusha Yoga is formed on lagna (whichever rasi is on lagna and whichever Graha is forming this Yoga), in that case native is having power of Agni tatva. If it is formed in 10th bhava, native is having power of Prithivi Tatva. If it is formed in 7th bhava, native is having power of Vayu Tatva. If it is formed in 4th bhava, native is having power of Jala Tatva.It is already within them. So now you see that Sanjay was not saying that Mangal in 7th bhava is power of Vayu. Technically, maybe he did say it literally this way (which I doubt, but I don't know for sure, I never listened to that recording), but reason why he said it was fact that Mangal in Sri Rama's chart is exalted in 7th bhava, meaning that it is forming Maha Purusha Yoga in 7th bhava which is related to Vayu Tatva (also Guru and Sani in his chart, but only one of these Maha Purusha Yogas will dominate). (Deities of Tatvas are still those I gave you. Please do not get ideas to prescribe them to people in order to strengthen their Maha Purusha Yogas. There is a lot more to add to this.) Is this of any help?Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Mon, 12/14/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk wrote:Venkatesh <ksvssvkRe: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 5:58 AM Hi Sharat, In Lord Rama chart,yoga between lagna and 7H which is a dristi sambandha between Sri Ram and Hanuman, which fructified out of desire. Here Saturn is in kendra to Jupiter. Will it not block the efficacy of the aspect? Thanks, Venkatesh--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote: Sharat Misra <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org>Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSunday, 13 December, 2009, 3:21 PM Om Gurave Namha Dear Venkatesh, You may want to modify your table as follows: (tatva correlate with signs) Maja's table is correct and to this you add the signs and tatva lordship Akash All pervading( all signs) Vishnu Jupiter Agni Aries, Leo, Sagittarius Surya Mars Prithvi Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn Ganesh Mercury Vayu Gemini, Libra,Aquarius Shiva Saturn Jala Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces Devi Venus When you refer to Sri Ram's chart you are looking at the yoga between lagna and 7H which is a dristi sambandha between Sri Ram and Hanuman, which fructified out of desire. Hope that helps. Best wishes Sharat On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:01, Maja Å trbac wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteGood. I hope that it doesn't mean you will stop your Tatva learning with one lesson. In our Parampara you can always count on at least few lessons available online and related to one subject.As far as "where to fit Akash in that order", all I can say is keep on looking and I promise you will find out sooner or later. I did.I gave you list of Deities for Tatvas, that is fine and settled.If you are interested to find more arguments on why to apply Tatvas the way I told you, you can listen to this lecture:http://srigaruda. com/visti/ index.php/ publications/ mp3/35-misc/ 160-lecture- on-remediesEnjoy! That is also from Achyuta Parampara. Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote: Venkatesh <ksvssvk >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSunday, December 13, 2009, 12:34 AM Hi Maja, I have no idea where is Akash tava here. It was taught like that in Atri class. Thanks, Venkatesh--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSunday, 13 December, 2009, 2:00 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteOK Where do you Akash Tatva in this way? ;)Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote: Venkatesh <ksvssvk >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSunday, December 13, 2009, 12:00 AM Hi Maja, No,it is not correct method. Mars is in 7th house it is in Vayu form.In Lord ram chart Mars is in 7th house,Hanuman comes in Vayu form(Vayu's son) I need deities in that way for the following tatvas 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks, Venkatesh --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote: Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comSaturday, 12 December, 2009, 6:44 PM Om Gurave NamahDear Venkatesh, namasteProcedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava karaka, take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is done, apply Devata of that Tatva.I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is done: you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava choice should be Maha Lakshmi.Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? List of Deities for Tatvas:Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of Brahma mantras)Prithivi-GaneshaJala-DeviVayu-ShivaAkash-VishnuHope this helps.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh <ksvssvk > wrote: Venkatesh <ksvssvk > Tatva deitiessohamsa@ .comCc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) comSaturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM Dear Sanjay, Please give the Deities based on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. What are the Deities for other tatvas for the following principle? 1,5,9 - Agni tatva2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva3,7,11 - Vayu tatva4,8,12 - Jal tatva Thanks,Venkatesh The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear SS, namasteBut answer is right there in that paragraph you copied from my email. No, you should not use Vayu Tatva of karaka for 12th bhava in any of these steps. Reason why I mentioned Jala tatva for Sukra, here it is again: I was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is.OK, once again, imagine curse in 7th bhava. Lord of 7th is not well placed, next step is to look at Karaka. Karaka for 7th bhava is Sukra. If it is well placed, you can give Lakshmi mantra. If it is placed in Dusthan, like occupying 12th bhava, then you can not advise Lakshmi (pratyadhi devata) mantra. In that case you still stick to Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra, but at this step the only help left is Tatva of Sukra, which is Jala, and Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so you advise Devi mantra.Simple basic steps for curses...Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak <soulsadhak wrote:soulsadhak <soulsadhak Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 9:04 AM Hello Maja, Thanks for the reply. I am still not able to make out why you mentioned "Jala tattva" for "karakaSukra" that is "placed in 12th bhava": " In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case." Karaka of the bhava (12th house) is Saturn and it's tattva is Vayu or am I still not understanding what you meant in this example; i.e. if you are not using tattva of bhavakaraka, are you using tattva of karaka Sukra? Thanks again and Best Regards, SS sohamsa@ .com, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear SS, namaste > > No, it is probably misunderstanding, Venus is not karaka for 12th in this example, we mentioned that it is placed in 12th bhava, but it is (normally) primary karaka for 7th bhava. > > I mentioned bhava karaka in my email, so I am using this. I was aiming on primary bhava karaka: 1st/Surya, 2nd/Guru, 3rd/Mangal, 4th/Chandra, 5th/Guru, 6th/Sani (for this purpose), 7th/Sukra, 8th/Sani, 9th/Guru, 10th/Budh, 11th/Guru and 12th/Sani. > > In order to avoid any further confusion I will add Tatvas of these Karakas (actually grahas): 1st/Agni, 2nd/Akash, 3rd/Agni, 4th/Jala, 5th/Akash, 6th/Vayu, 7th/Jala, 8th/Vayu, 9th/Akash, 10th/Prithivi, 11th/Akash and 12th/Vayu. > > Now add deities to Tatvas and there you go. (Hope I did not make any typo up there > > Warm regards, > Maja Strbac > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak soulsadhak@. .. wrote: > > soulsadhak soulsadhak@. .. > Re: Tatva deities > sohamsa@ .com > Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:24 AM >  > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > In the example, is Venus the bhavakaraka for 12th house? > > > > Do we have to use " Tattva of KAraka" or "Tattva of Bhava-karaka" ? > > > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > > > SS > > > > > On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Å trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sharat, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx! Nice to hear from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I don't > > apply > > > Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that > > I > > > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of > > > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of > > > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of > > > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this > > > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, > > > this usually means that way out is much longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > > > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > > > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > > > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > > > > Re: Tatva deities > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. > > >  Am I right in thinking that there would be a > > > rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the > > > bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example > > : > > > Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in > > 12H,worshipping > > > Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). > > > The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a > > > curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. > > > Best regards > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Å trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava > > karaka, > > > take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is > > > done, apply Devata of that Tatva. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is > > done: > > > you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be > > > problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can > > > be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala > > > Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava > > choice > > > should be Maha Lakshmi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? > > > > > > > > > > > > List of Deities for Tatvas: > > > > > > > > > > > > Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of > > > Brahma mantras) > > > > > > Prithivi-Ganesha > > > > > > Jala-Devi > > > > > > Vayu-Shiva > > > > > > Akash-Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > > > > Tatva deities > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Sanjay, > > >  > > > Please give the Deities based > > > on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. > > > What are the Deities for other > > > tatvas for the following principle? > > > > > > > > > 1,5,9 - Agni tatva > > > > > > 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva > > > > > > 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva > > > > > > 4,8,12 - Jal tatva > > >  > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a > > > personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 klim krishna klim Dear Maja After bhava karaka there is bhava Devata, so here we have two choices: - bhava devata - again Lakshmi for seventh house or - Srimati Kamalatmika. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- Consultations & Pages http://rohinaa.com/ Jyotish Tutorials www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz Mail: rgendarz rgendarz Maja Štrbac pisze:  Om Gurave Namah Dear SS, namaste But answer is right there in that paragraph you copied from my email. No, you should not use Vayu Tatva of karaka for 12th bhava in any of these steps. Reason why I mentioned Jala tatva for Sukra, here it is again: I was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. OK, once again, imagine curse in 7th bhava. Lord of 7th is not well placed, next step is to look at Karaka. Karaka for 7th bhava is Sukra. If it is well placed, you can give Lakshmi mantra. If it is placed in Dusthan, like occupying 12th bhava, then you can not advise Lakshmi (pratyadhi devata) mantra. In that case you still stick to Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra, but at this step the only help left is Tatva of Sukra, which is Jala, and Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so you advise Devi mantra. Simple basic steps for curses... Warm regards, Maja Strbac --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak <soulsadhak > wrote: soulsadhak <soulsadhak > Re: Tatva deities sohamsa Monday, December 14, 2009, 9:04 AM  Hello Maja, Thanks for the reply. I am still not able to make out why you mentioned "Jala tattva" for "karakaSukra" that is "placed in 12th bhava": " In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case." Karaka of the bhava (12th house) is Saturn and it's tattva is Vayu or am I still not understanding what you meant in this example; i.e. if you are not using tattva of bhavakaraka, are you using tattva of karaka Sukra? Thanks again and Best Regards, SS sohamsa@ ..com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear SS, namaste > > No, it is probably misunderstanding, Venus is not karaka for 12th in this example, we mentioned that it is placed in 12th bhava, but it is (normally) primary karaka for 7th bhava. > > I mentioned bhava karaka in my email, so I am using this. I was aiming on primary bhava karaka: 1st/Surya, 2nd/Guru, 3rd/Mangal, 4th/Chandra, 5th/Guru, 6th/Sani (for this purpose), 7th/Sukra, 8th/Sani, 9th/Guru, 10th/Budh, 11th/Guru and 12th/Sani. > > In order to avoid any further confusion I will add Tatvas of these Karakas (actually grahas): 1st/Agni, 2nd/Akash, 3rd/Agni, 4th/Jala, 5th/Akash, 6th/Vayu, 7th/Jala, 8th/Vayu, 9th/Akash, 10th/Prithivi, 11th/Akash and 12th/Vayu. > > Now add deities to Tatvas and there you go. (Hope I did not make any typo up there > > Warm regards, > Maja Strbac > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak soulsadhak@. .. wrote: > > soulsadhak soulsadhak@. .. > Re: Tatva deities > sohamsa@ ..com > Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:24 AM >  > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > In the example, is Venus the bhavakaraka for 12th house? > > > > Do we have to use " Tattva of KAraka" or "Tattva of Bhava-karaka" ? > > > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > > > SS > > > > > On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Ã… trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sharat, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx! Nice to hear from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I don't > > apply > > > Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that > > I > > > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of > > > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of > > > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of > > > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this > > > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, > > > this usually means that way out is much longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > > > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > > > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > > > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > > > > Re: Tatva deities > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. > > >  Am I right in thinking that there would be a > > > rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the > > > bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example > > : > > > Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in > > 12H,worshipping > > > Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). > > > The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a > > > curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. > > > Best regards > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Ã… trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava > > karaka, > > > take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is > > > done, apply Devata of that Tatva. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is > > done: > > > you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be > > > problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can > > > be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala > > > Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava > > choice > > > should be Maha Lakshmi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? > > > > > > > > > > > > List of Deities for Tatvas: > > > > > > > > > > > > Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of > > > Brahma mantras) > > > > > > Prithivi-Ganesha > > > > > > Jala-Devi > > > > > > Vayu-Shiva > > > > > > Akash-Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > > > > Tatva deities > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Sanjay, > > >  > > > Please give the Deities based > > > on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. > > > What are the Deities for other > > > tatvas for the following principle? > > > > > > > > > 1,5,9 - Agni tatva > > > > > > 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva > > > > > > 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva > > > > > > 4,8,12 - Jal tatva > > >  > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a > > > personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Rafal, OKRegards,Maja--- On Mon, 12/14/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:Rafał Gendarz <starsuponmeRe: Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 11:12 AM klim krishna klim Dear Maja After bhava karaka there is bhava Devata, so here we have two choices: - bhava devata - again Lakshmi for seventh house or - Srimati Kamalatmika. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru ------------ -- Consultations & Pages http://rohinaa. com/ Jyotish Tutorials www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz Mail: rgendarz@googlewave .com rgendarz (AT) gmail (DOT) com Maja Štrbac pisze: Om Gurave Namah Dear SS, namaste But answer is right there in that paragraph you copied from my email. No, you should not use Vayu Tatva of karaka for 12th bhava in any of these steps. Reason why I mentioned Jala tatva for Sukra, here it is again: I was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. OK, once again, imagine curse in 7th bhava. Lord of 7th is not well placed, next step is to look at Karaka. Karaka for 7th bhava is Sukra. If it is well placed, you can give Lakshmi mantra. If it is placed in Dusthan, like occupying 12th bhava, then you can not advise Lakshmi (pratyadhi devata) mantra. In that case you still stick to Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra, but at this step the only help left is Tatva of Sukra, which is Jala, and Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so you advise Devi mantra. Simple basic steps for curses... Warm regards, Maja Strbac --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak <soulsadhak > wrote: soulsadhak <soulsadhak > Re: Tatva deities sohamsa@ .com Monday, December 14, 2009, 9:04 AM Hello Maja, Thanks for the reply. I am still not able to make out why you mentioned "Jala tattva" for "karakaSukra" that is "placed in 12th bhava": " In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case." Karaka of the bhava (12th house) is Saturn and it's tattva is Vayu or am I still not understanding what you meant in this example; i.e. if you are not using tattva of bhavakaraka, are you using tattva of karaka Sukra? Thanks again and Best Regards, SS sohamsa@ ..com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear SS, namaste > > No, it is probably misunderstanding, Venus is not karaka for 12th in this example, we mentioned that it is placed in 12th bhava, but it is (normally) primary karaka for 7th bhava. > > I mentioned bhava karaka in my email, so I am using this. I was aiming on primary bhava karaka: 1st/Surya, 2nd/Guru, 3rd/Mangal, 4th/Chandra, 5th/Guru, 6th/Sani (for this purpose), 7th/Sukra, 8th/Sani, 9th/Guru, 10th/Budh, 11th/Guru and 12th/Sani. > > In order to avoid any further confusion I will add Tatvas of these Karakas (actually grahas): 1st/Agni, 2nd/Akash, 3rd/Agni, 4th/Jala, 5th/Akash, 6th/Vayu, 7th/Jala, 8th/Vayu, 9th/Akash, 10th/Prithivi, 11th/Akash and 12th/Vayu. > > Now add deities to Tatvas and there you go. (Hope I did not make any typo up there > > Warm regards, > Maja Strbac > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak soulsadhak@. .. wrote: > > soulsadhak soulsadhak@. .. > Re: Tatva deities > sohamsa@ ..com > Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:24 AM >  > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > In the example, is Venus the bhavakaraka for 12th house? > > > > Do we have to use " Tattva of KAraka" or "Tattva of Bhava-karaka" ? > > > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > > > SS > > > > > On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Ã… trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sharat, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx! Nice to hear from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I don't > > apply > > > Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is just that > > I > > > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of > > > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of > > > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of > > > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this > > > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of course, > > > this usually means that way out is much longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > > > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > > > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > > > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > > > > Re: Tatva deities > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. > > >  Am I right in thinking that there would be a > > > rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the karaka of the > > > bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For example > > : > > > Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in > > 12H,worshipping > > > Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). > > > The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a > > > curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. > > > Best regards > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Ã… trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary bhava > > karaka, > > > take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When this is > > > done, apply Devata of that Tatva. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will use rough example so you could get the picture how this is > > done: > > > you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and this can be > > > problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in 7th can > > > be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra is Jala > > > Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th bhava > > choice > > > should be Maha Lakshmi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? > > > > > > > > > > > > List of Deities for Tatvas: > > > > > > > > > > > > Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised instead of > > > Brahma mantras) > > > > > > Prithivi-Ganesha > > > > > > Jala-Devi > > > > > > Vayu-Shiva > > > > > > Akash-Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > > > > Tatva deities > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Dear Sanjay, > > >  > > > Please give the Deities based > > > on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. > > > What are the Deities for other > > > tatvas for the following principle? > > > > > > > > > 1,5,9 - Agni tatva > > > > > > 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva > > > > > > 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva > > > > > > 4,8,12 - Jal tatva > > >  > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a > > > personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Thanks Maja and Rafal... Sorry Maja - i got all mixed up! Best Regards, SS sohamsa , Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rafal, > > OK > > Regards, > Maja > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme > Re: Re: Tatva deities > sohamsa > Monday, December 14, 2009, 11:12 AM >  > > > > > > > klim > krishna klim > > Dear Maja > > > > After bhava karaka there is bhava Devata, so here we have two choices: > > - bhava devata - again Lakshmi for seventh house > > or > > - Srimati Kamalatmika. > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > ------------ -- > > > Consultations & > Pages > > http://rohinaa. com/ > > Jyotish > Tutorials > > www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > Mail: > > rgendarz@googlewave .com > > rgendarz (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > Maja Štrbac pisze: >  > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear SS, namaste > > > > But answer is right there in that paragraph you copied from my email. > No, you should not use Vayu Tatva of karaka for 12th bhava in any of > these steps. Reason why I mentioned Jala tatva for Sukra, here it is > again: > > > > I > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > > > OK, once again, imagine curse in 7th bhava. Lord of 7th is not well > placed, next step is to look at Karaka. Karaka for 7th bhava is Sukra. > If it is well placed, you can give Lakshmi mantra. If it is placed in > Dusthan, like occupying 12th bhava, then you can not advise Lakshmi > (pratyadhi devata) mantra. In that case you still stick to Karaka for > 7th bhava, which is Sukra, but at this step the only help left is Tatva > of Sukra, which is Jala, and Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so you > advise Devi mantra. > > > > Simple basic steps for curses... > > > > Warm regards, > > Maja Strbac > > > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak <soulsadhak > > wrote: > > > > soulsadhak <soulsadhak > > > Re: Tatva deities > > sohamsa@ .com > > Monday, December 14, 2009, 9:04 AM > > > >  > > > > Hello Maja, > > > > Thanks for the reply. > > > > I am still not able to make out why you mentioned " Jala tattva " for > > " karaka " " Sukra " that is " placed in 12th bhava " : > > > > " In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > > > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > > > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > > > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. " > > > > Karaka of the bhava (12th house) is Saturn and it's tattva is Vayu > > > > or am I still not understanding what you meant in this example; > > > > i.e. if you are not using tattva of bhavakaraka, are you using tattva of > > karaka Sukra? > > > > Thanks again and Best Regards, > > > > SS > > > > sohamsa@ > .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear SS, namaste > > > > > > No, it is probably misunderstanding, Venus is not karaka for 12th > in > > this example, we mentioned that it is placed in 12th bhava, but it is > > (normally) primary karaka for 7th bhava. > > > > > > I mentioned bhava karaka in my email, so I am using this. I was > aiming > > on primary bhava karaka: 1st/Surya, 2nd/Guru, 3rd/Mangal, 4th/Chandra, > > 5th/Guru, 6th/Sani (for this purpose), 7th/Sukra, 8th/Sani, 9th/Guru, > > 10th/Budh, 11th/Guru and 12th/Sani. > > > > > > In order to avoid any further confusion I will add Tatvas of these > > Karakas (actually grahas): 1st/Agni, 2nd/Akash, 3rd/Agni, 4th/Jala, > > 5th/Akash, 6th/Vayu, 7th/Jala, 8th/Vayu, 9th/Akash, 10th/Prithivi, > > 11th/Akash and 12th/Vayu. > > > > > > Now add deities to Tatvas and there you go. (Hope I did not make > any > > typo up there > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak soulsadhak@ .. wrote: > > > > > > soulsadhak soulsadhak@ .. > > > Re: Tatva deities > > > sohamsa@ > .com > > > Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the example, is Venus the bhavakaraka for 12th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we have to use " Tattva of KAraka " or " Tattva of Bhava-karaka " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Ã… trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sharat, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx! Nice to hear from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I almost never use words " you are wrong " , but I am afraid I > don't > > > > > > apply > > > > > > > Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is > just > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first > line of > > > > > > > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second > line of > > > > > > > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and > Tatva > > of > > > > > > > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense > left. In > > this > > > > > > > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of > course, > > > > > > > this usually means that way out is much longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is > > dusthan, > > > > > > > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi > devata > > > > > > > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is > Devi, so > > > > > > > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Tatva deities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. > > > > > > >  Am I right in thinking that there would be a > > > > > > > rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the > karaka of > > the > > > > > > > bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For > > example > > > > > > : > > > > > > > Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in > > > > > > 12H,worshipping > > > > > > > Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). > > > > > > > The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a > > > > > > > curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Ã… trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary > bhava > > > > > > karaka, > > > > > > > take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When > this > > is > > > > > > > done, apply Devata of that Tatva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will use rough example so you could get the picture how > this is > > > > > > done: > > > > > > > you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and > this can > > be > > > > > > > problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in > 7th > > can > > > > > > > be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra > is Jala > > > > > > > Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th > bhava > > > > > > choice > > > > > > > should be Maha Lakshmi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List of Deities for Tatvas: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised > instead of > > > > > > > Brahma mantras) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prithivi-Ganesha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jala-Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vayu-Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Akash-Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatva deities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Please give the Deities based > > > > > > > on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. > > > > > > > What are the Deities for other > > > > > > > tatvas for the following principle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1,5,9 - Agni tatva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,8,12 - Jal tatva > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a > > > > > > > personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear SS, namasteYou are most welcome.Hey, don't worry about it. What happened to you yesterday very same thing happens to me every two or three days. Honestly. Mixing all up and it feels like I am on spinning wheel, but few hours later or, at worst case, 24h later all is cleared out and placed where it should be.I've read so many of your brilliant analysis in past years, so I've realized something strange was happening to you yesterday. Phases, it is normal thing for human mind :)P.S. At least a woman can have perfect understanding for "phases" of human mind. We have them regularly every 28 days :)Warm regards,Maja--- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak <soulsadhak wrote:soulsadhak <soulsadhak Re: Tatva deitiessohamsa Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:19 PM Thanks Maja and Rafal... Sorry Maja - i got all mixed up! Best Regards, SS sohamsa@ .com, Maja Štrbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rafal, > > OK > > Regards, > Maja > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > Re: Re: Tatva deities > sohamsa@ .com > Monday, December 14, 2009, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > klim > krishna klim > > Dear Maja > > > > After bhava karaka there is bhava Devata, so here we have two choices: > > - bhava devata - again Lakshmi for seventh house > > or > > - Srimati Kamalatmika. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > ------------ -- > > > Consultations & > Pages > > http://rohinaa. com/ > > Jyotish > Tutorials > > www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > Mail: > > rgendarz@googlewave .com > > rgendarz (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > Maja Štrbac pisze: >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear SS, namaste > > > > But answer is right there in that paragraph you copied from my email. > No, you should not use Vayu Tatva of karaka for 12th bhava in any of > these steps. Reason why I mentioned Jala tatva for Sukra, here it is > again: > > > > I > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first line of > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second line of > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and Tatva of > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense left. In this > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > > > OK, once again, imagine curse in 7th bhava. Lord of 7th is not well > placed, next step is to look at Karaka. Karaka for 7th bhava is Sukra. > If it is well placed, you can give Lakshmi mantra. If it is placed in > Dusthan, like occupying 12th bhava, then you can not advise Lakshmi > (pratyadhi devata) mantra. In that case you still stick to Karaka for > 7th bhava, which is Sukra, but at this step the only help left is Tatva > of Sukra, which is Jala, and Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so you > advise Devi mantra. > > > > Simple basic steps for curses... > > > > Warm regards, > > Maja Strbac > > > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak <soulsadhak> > wrote: > > > > soulsadhak <soulsadhak> > > Re: Tatva deities > > sohamsa@ .com > > Monday, December 14, 2009, 9:04 AM > > > >  > > > > Hello Maja, > > > > Thanks for the reply. > > > > I am still not able to make out why you mentioned "Jala tattva" for > > "karakaSukra" that is "placed in 12th bhava": > > > > " In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is dusthan, > > > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi devata > > > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is Devi, so > > > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case." > > > > Karaka of the bhava (12th house) is Saturn and it's tattva is Vayu > > > > or am I still not understanding what you meant in this example; > > > > i.e. if you are not using tattva of bhavakaraka, are you using tattva of > > karaka Sukra? > > > > Thanks again and Best Regards, > > > > SS > > > > sohamsa@ > .com, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear SS, namaste > > > > > > No, it is probably misunderstanding, Venus is not karaka for 12th > in > > this example, we mentioned that it is placed in 12th bhava, but it is > > (normally) primary karaka for 7th bhava. > > > > > > I mentioned bhava karaka in my email, so I am using this. I was > aiming > > on primary bhava karaka: 1st/Surya, 2nd/Guru, 3rd/Mangal, 4th/Chandra, > > 5th/Guru, 6th/Sani (for this purpose), 7th/Sukra, 8th/Sani, 9th/Guru, > > 10th/Budh, 11th/Guru and 12th/Sani. > > > > > > In order to avoid any further confusion I will add Tatvas of these > > Karakas (actually grahas): 1st/Agni, 2nd/Akash, 3rd/Agni, 4th/Jala, > > 5th/Akash, 6th/Vayu, 7th/Jala, 8th/Vayu, 9th/Akash, 10th/Prithivi, > > 11th/Akash and 12th/Vayu. > > > > > > Now add deities to Tatvas and there you go. (Hope I did not make > any > > typo up there > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, soulsadhak soulsadhak@ .. wrote: > > > > > > soulsadhak soulsadhak@ .. > > > Re: Tatva deities > > > sohamsa@ > .com > > > Monday, December 14, 2009, 6:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the example, is Venus the bhavakaraka for 12th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we have to use " Tattva of KAraka" or "Tattva of Bhava-karaka" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Dec 2009, at 09:47, Maja Ã… trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sharat, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx! Nice to hear from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I almost never use words "you are wrong", but I am afraid I > don't > > > > > > apply > > > > > > > Tatva level remedies in curses the way you described. It is > just > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > was learned to use lord of bhava (if well placed) as first > line of > > > > > > > defense (Guru Roopa for Graha), karaka of bhava as second > line of > > > > > > > defense (if well placed, then Pratyadhi Devata of Graha) and > Tatva > > of > > > > > > > bhava Karaka as third, last and the only line of defense > left. In > > this > > > > > > > case it is not necessary to observe where Karaka is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if Tatva level of remedies is the only way out of > course, > > > > > > > this usually means that way out is much longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your example of karaka Sukra placed in 12th bhava, this is > > dusthan, > > > > > > > so it is not recommendable to advise mantra for pratyadhi > devata > > > > > > > Lakshmi. Tatva of karaka is Jala, Devata of Jala Tatva is > Devi, so > > > > > > > indeed Shakti is recommendable remedy in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat Misra gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Tatva deities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 3:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > Greetings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice explanation. > > > > > > >  Am I right in thinking that there would be a > > > > > > > rider for this scheme, depending on the position of the > karaka of > > the > > > > > > > bhava. The karaka must be well placed to provide benefit. For > > example > > > > > > : > > > > > > > Mangal in 7H, Shukra is the karaka and if positioned in > > > > > > 12H,worshipping > > > > > > > Vishnu is advised (natural deity of 12H). > > > > > > > The ultimate relief from a evil graha esp in a > > > > > > > curse may only be obtained by Devi shakti or Mahavidya. > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:14, Maja Ã… trbac wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Procedure goes a little bit different. Search for primary > bhava > > > > > > karaka, > > > > > > > take that Graha and find out which Tatva it corresponds. When > this > > is > > > > > > > done, apply Devata of that Tatva. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will use rough example so you could get the picture how > this is > > > > > > done: > > > > > > > you were mentioning Mangal in 7th bhava, it is malefic and > this can > > be > > > > > > > problem for 7th bhava (also known as Kuja Dosha), malefics in > 7th > > can > > > > > > > be remedied with Karaka for 7th bhava, which is Sukra. Sukra > is Jala > > > > > > > Tatva, Devata for Jala Tatva is Devi. Specifically for 7th > bhava > > > > > > choice > > > > > > > should be Maha Lakshmi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you need list of karakas for bhavas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List of Deities for Tatvas: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agni-Surya or Brahma (usually Gayatri mantra is advised > instead of > > > > > > > Brahma mantras) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prithivi-Ganesha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jala-Devi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vayu-Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Akash-Vishnu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venkatesh ksvssvk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatva deities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, December 12, 2009, 4:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Please give the Deities based > > > > > > > on tatvas like if Mars is in seventh house it is Hanuman. > > > > > > > What are the Deities for other > > > > > > > tatvas for the following principle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1,5,9 - Agni tatva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2,6,10 - Pritvi tatva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3,7,11 - Vayu tatva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4,8,12 - Jal tatva > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a > > > > > > > personality. 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