Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Dear Goel Ji, Namaskar, In continuation of your mail if Rahu owns Aq, shall we consider Ra-Ju combination for Gemini and Ra-Ve combination for Libra as Raj yoga (DKY). Ra-Ju is otherwise Guru-chandal. Kindly share your view. thank you Best regards Saumya ________________________________ Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 jyotish_vani Cc: vedic astrology ; sohamsa <sohamsa > Sat, December 12, 2009 4:55:59 PM [vedic astrology] DUAL lordship of nodes DEAR friends, On dual lordship of nodes ,BPHS is a good guide: I refer Santhanam edition ch 47- Effects of dasa lords in Vimsottari dasa system Sloka 34 to 36 - where in lordships of nodes are indicated - Rahu owns Aquarius (11th house of Kal purush) and VIRGO (6th house ): Sage Vaysa says Rahu as Vahu-balam- THIS IS THE REASON THAT RAHU IS EXALTED IN GEMINI ( 3rd house of Kala Pursa)-3 ,6 and 11 houses are called Upa-chya(along with 10th house). Similarly Ketu owns Scorpio (8th house- may mean disintegration of body) and Pisces (12 th house -liberation of soul) _Vaysa says that ketu represents Kulasya- unatti. For Rasi dasas -a reference may be made to sloka 157 ch46. As for aspects of nodes , a reference may be made to ch 47 sl 26 of BPHS PUBLISHED VANKTESWAR PRESS BOMBAY IN1989: iT SAYS NODES ASPECT 5TH ,7TH AND 9TH HOUSES BY FULL ASPECT, 3RD AND 6TH BY HALF AND 3RD AND 10TH HOUSES BY QUARTER ASPECT. rEGARDS, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 /*klim krishna klim*/ Dear Saumya Yes, Ra+Ju for Mithuna is dharmakarmadhipati yoga. Nirrti yoga (ra+ju) can show it will be gained in unusual circumstances where satya can be forgotten or associated with many shocks and reversal of fortunes. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* www.rohinaa.com //*Jyotish Tutorials */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> /*Mail:*/ /rgendarz rgendarz *Skype: jyotraff1*/ saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > Dear Goel Ji, Namaskar, > In continuation of your mail if Rahu owns Aq, shall we consider Ra-Ju > combination for Gemini and Ra-Ve combination for Libra as Raj yoga > (DKY). Ra-Ju is otherwise Guru-chandal. > Kindly share your view. > thank you > Best regards > Saumya > > ________________________________ > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 > <gkgoel1937%40.co.in>> > jyotish_vani <jyotish_vani%40hotmail.com> > Cc: vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>> > Sat, December 12, 2009 4:55:59 PM > [vedic astrology] DUAL lordship of nodes > > DEAR friends, > On dual lordship of nodes ,BPHS is a good guide: > I refer Santhanam edition ch 47- Effects of dasa lords in Vimsottari > dasa system > Sloka 34 to 36 - where in lordships of nodes are indicated - > Rahu owns Aquarius (11th house of Kal purush) and VIRGO (6th house ): > Sage Vaysa says Rahu as Vahu-balam- THIS IS THE REASON THAT RAHU > IS EXALTED IN GEMINI ( 3rd house of Kala Pursa)-3 ,6 and 11 houses > are called Upa-chya(along with 10th house). > Similarly Ketu owns Scorpio (8th house- may mean disintegration of body) > and Pisces (12 th house -liberation of soul) _Vaysa says that ketu > represents > Kulasya- unatti. > For Rasi dasas -a reference may be made to sloka 157 ch46. > As for aspects of nodes , a reference may be made to ch 47 sl 26 of BPHS > PUBLISHED VANKTESWAR PRESS BOMBAY IN1989: > iT SAYS NODES ASPECT 5TH ,7TH AND 9TH HOUSES BY FULL ASPECT, > 3RD AND 6TH BY HALF AND 3RD AND 10TH HOUSES BY QUARTER ASPECT. > rEGARDS, > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. http://in./ <http://in./> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Dear Friends, Regarding the dual lordship of lunar nodes; G.K. Goel's reference is quite pertinent and his analogy sounds worthy. Sages and Rishis advise to specially consider Rahu/Ketu for analysis of Dasa. Note that Parashar did not mention Rahu/Ketu ownership before/with Bhava Adhyaya or Yoga Adhyaya. Rather he explained nodes' rulership quite later while discussing the Dasa Adhyaya. On the other hand, there are certain yogas (Guru Chandaal, Khshyaroga, Bahuputra etc.) which are based on the natural traits of planet rather lordship of nodes. So deducting bhava/yoga phala on basis of Rahu/Ketu lordship may be a deviation from standard. But this innovation/deviation may prove a worthy research topic. If we follow the lordship of Rahu then for Capricorn lagna Rahu as 2nd lord (Aquarius) in 11th house (Scorpio) should give dhana yoga. For Libra lagna, Rahu in 1st house and Venus in 5th house (Aquarius) ought to term a raja yoga etc. But... Parashar stands on the other side of bank. For houses analysis he maintains to look at the sambandha (aspect/association), Rahu/Ketu make with other grahas. Not their ownership. Being Chhaya Graha they imbibe the good or bad effect of sign/planet, they are associated with. Commentators of Laghu Parashari enunciate that Rahu/Ketu yields shubh phala when (1) they are in kendara and sambandhi with (only) kona lord. And when (2) they are in kona and sambandhi with (only) kendara lord. In practice, I've found that Rahu/Ketu in own/exaltation etc. sign does not 'necessarily' ensure auspiciousness. Much is dependent on rashi/navamsa/nakshatra dispositor of nodes. Regards, M. Imran vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > Dear Saumya > > Yes, Ra+Ju for Mithuna is dharmakarmadhipati yoga. > > Nirrti yoga (ra+ju) can show it will be gained in unusual circumstances > where satya can be forgotten or associated with many shocks and reversal > of fortunes. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > www.rohinaa.com > //*Jyotish Tutorials > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > /*Mail:*/ > /rgendarz > rgendarz > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > Dear Goel Ji, Namaskar, > > In continuation of your mail if Rahu owns Aq, shall we consider Ra-Ju > > combination for Gemini and Ra-Ve combination for Libra as Raj yoga > > (DKY). Ra-Ju is otherwise Guru-chandal. > > Kindly share your view. > > thank you > > Best regards > > Saumya > > > > ________________________________ > > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 > > <gkgoel1937%40.co.in>> > > jyotish_vani <jyotish_vani%40hotmail.com> > > Cc: vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>> > > Sat, December 12, 2009 4:55:59 PM > > [vedic astrology] DUAL lordship of nodes > > > > DEAR friends, > > On dual lordship of nodes ,BPHS is a good guide: > > I refer Santhanam edition ch 47- Effects of dasa lords in Vimsottari > > dasa system > > Sloka 34 to 36 - where in lordships of nodes are indicated - > > Rahu owns Aquarius (11th house of Kal purush) and VIRGO (6th house ): > > Sage Vaysa says Rahu as Vahu-balam- THIS IS THE REASON THAT RAHU > > IS EXALTED IN GEMINI ( 3rd house of Kala Pursa)-3 ,6 and 11 houses > > are called Upa-chya(along with 10th house). > > Similarly Ketu owns Scorpio (8th house- may mean disintegration of body) > > and Pisces (12 th house -liberation of soul) _Vaysa says that ketu > > represents > > Kulasya- unatti. > > For Rasi dasas -a reference may be made to sloka 157 ch46. > > As for aspects of nodes , a reference may be made to ch 47 sl 26 of BPHS > > PUBLISHED VANKTESWAR PRESS BOMBAY IN1989: > > iT SAYS NODES ASPECT 5TH ,7TH AND 9TH HOUSES BY FULL ASPECT, > > 3RD AND 6TH BY HALF AND 3RD AND 10TH HOUSES BY QUARTER ASPECT. > > rEGARDS, > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. http://in./ <http://in./> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 /*klim krishna klim*/ Dear Gopalji Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual aspect). Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth for Mithuna form Rajayoga. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* www.rohinaa.com //*Jyotish Tutorials */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> /*Mail:*/ /rgendarz rgendarz *Skype: jyotraff1*/ Gopal Goel pisze: > > > Dear Saumya ji, > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > ruler. > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > for formation of Raj yoga. > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in.. com/ <http://in./> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th house while Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. thank you again With personal regards Saumya ________________________________ Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme vedic astrology ; sohamsa Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes /*klim krishna klim*/ Dear Gopalji Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual aspect). Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth for Mithuna form Rajayoga. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* www.rohinaa.com //*Jyotish Tutorials */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> /*Mail:*/ /rgendarz rgendarz *Skype: jyotraff1*/ Gopal Goel pisze: > > > Dear Saumya ji, > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > ruler. > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > for formation of Raj yoga. > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > http://in.. com/ <http://in./> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 /*klim krishna klim*/ Dear Saumya Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Śastra). Its mutual graha drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not all rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on Atmakaraka, Arudhapada etc.. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* www.rohinaa.com //*Jyotish Tutorials */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> /*Mail:*/ /rgendarz rgendarz/ saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th house while > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > thank you again > With personal regards > Saumya > > ________________________________ > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > <sohamsa%40> > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > Dear Gopalji > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual > aspect). > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > www.rohinaa.com > //*Jyotish Tutorials > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > /*Mail:*/ > /rgendarz <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > rgendarz <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > > ruler. > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/ <http://in./ <http://in./>> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 /*klim krishna klim*/ Dear M.Imran Dual lordship is supported by śastra. BHPS Chapter 30/15-20. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* /http://rohinaa.com/ /*Jyotish Tutorials */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> /*Mail:*/ /rgendarz rgendarz/ Rafał Gendarz pisze: > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > Dear Saumya > > Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Śastra). Its mutual graha > drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. > > There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not all > rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on Atmakaraka, > Arudhapada etc.. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > www.rohinaa.com > //*Jyotish Tutorials > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > /*Mail:*/ > /rgendarz <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > rgendarz <rgendarz%40gmail.com>/ > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th house while > > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > > thank you again > > With personal regards > > Saumya > > > > ________________________________ > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme <starsuponme%40wp.pl> > <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > <sohamsa%40> > > <sohamsa%40> > > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > Dear Gopalji > > > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha > > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga > > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual > > aspect). > > > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to > > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth > > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > -------------- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > www.rohinaa.com > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>> > > /*Mail:*/ > > /rgendarz <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > rgendarz <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > > > ruler. > > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > http://in.. com/ <http://in./ <http://in./> > <http://in./ <http://in./>>> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Deepak Chopra is a good example! vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > Dear M.Imran > > Dual lordship is supported by śastra. BHPS Chapter 30/15-20. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > /http://rohinaa.com/ > /*Jyotish Tutorials > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > /*Mail:*/ > /rgendarz > rgendarz/ > > Rafał Gendarz pisze: > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > Dear Saumya > > > > Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Śastra). Its mutual graha > > drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. > > > > There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not all > > rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on Atmakaraka, > > Arudhapada etc.. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > -------------- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > www.rohinaa.com > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > /*Mail:*/ > > /rgendarz <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > rgendarz <rgendarz%40gmail.com>/ > > > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > > > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th house while > > > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > > > thank you again > > > With personal regards > > > Saumya > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme <starsuponme%40wp.pl> > > <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > Dear Gopalji > > > > > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha > > > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga > > > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual > > > aspect). > > > > > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to > > > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > > > > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth > > > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > -------------- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>> > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > /rgendarz <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > rgendarz <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > > > > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > > > > ruler. > > > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > > > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > > > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > > > > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > http://in.. com/ <http://in./ <http://in./> > > <http://in./ <http://in./>>> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Dear respected Rafal,i have Rahu in 5th mutually asp by 9th L(kona).But so called success(material) i never had and i dont claim any spiritual success as well.I am retired and in my 56 year...and i am a dependent financially.Regards,gopi.sohamsa , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> /*klim krishna klim*/> Dear Deepen> > This is out of context. Mutual aspect between Rahu and Jupiter forms > yoga - if these planets are connecting Lakshmi and Narayana bhavas > namely kendra and kona then one is predestined to success in life. All > other effects given by śastra related to Rahu in fifth house are still > actual...like curse of serpents and the like..> > > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> SJC Jyotish Guru> --------------> /*Consultations & Pages*> www.rohinaa.com> //*Jyotish Tutorials> */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> /*Mail:*/> /rgendarz rgendarz *Skype: jyotraff1*/> > deepen thakkar pisze:> > > > Dear Rafael ji> >> > Rahu in 5th house can also qualify as raja yoga ????> >> > some astrologers in our community consider 5th rahu as PITRU DOSHA ..> > does it so ???> >> > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Rafał Gendarz /<starsuponme@ wp.pl>/* wrote:> >> >> > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>> > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes> > vedic astrology, sohamsa@ .com> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:56 PM> >> > > >> > /*klim krishna klim*/> > Dear Gopalji> >> > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu> > graha drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can> > form rajayoga with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which> > quallified for mutual aspect).> >> > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha- drsti) is> > quallified to give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti.> >> > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in> > ninth for Mithuna form Rajayoga.> >> >> >> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz> > SJC Jyotish Guru> > ------------ --> > / *Consultations & Pages*> > www.rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>> > / / *Jyotish Tutorials> > * / www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz> > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > /*Mail:*/> > / rgendarz@googlewave .com </mc/compose?to=rgendarz > rgendarz (AT) gmail (DOT) com </mc/compose?to=rgendarz > *Skype: jyotraff1* /> >> > Gopal Goel pisze:> >> >> > >>> >> Dear Saumya ji,> >> The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary> >> ruler.> >> Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio.> >>> >> The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose.> >> If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by> >> trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka.> >> Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari.> >>> >> Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for> >> for formation of Raj yoga.> >>> >> G.K.GOEL> >> Ph: 09350311433> >> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> >> NEW DELHI-110 076> >> INDIA> >>> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > >> Homepage. http://in.. com/ <http://in./>> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Rafal, First of all sorry for not replying on time, as I had an engaged week. I maintained (in my reply on December 13th, message number 117547) that Sage Parashar discussed Rahu/Ketu lordship quite later while describing Ududasa, rather before/in/along with Bhava Adhyayah or Yoga Adhayayah. In reply, you argued that Parashar supported dual lordship of lunar nodes in chapter 30, verse 15-20. For verifying your notion, I inquired Parashar Hora. In both (Santhanam and G.C. Sharma's) translations of BPHS, chapter 30 falls into Ishtakashta Adhyayah. And shalokas 15-20 of this chapter, DO NOT discuss anything about RAHU/KETU, not to speak of DUAL LORDSHIP. Please clarify. Sincerely, Imran PS: Apart from above, please note that my different point of view is NOT driven by any wrong/ill intention. I hope you won't assume difference as dispute. By the way, you hardly find any jyotisha shastar where author did not mention various opinions of forerunners as well as contemporaries. In fact, difference of opinion is the spirit of research that leads to true knowledge. Just think, what if Aristotle did not differ to work of Plato, what if Kalyan Varma did not differ to Varahamihira's opinion, what if John M. Keynes did not disagree to Alfred Marshal's viewpoint and what if Carl Jung did not differ to theory of Sigmund Freud? However, their disagreements were on pure academic grounds. Alas ours not. I'm writing these lines, since I've found many a members deriding and belittling each other without weighing themselves. vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > Dear M.Imran > > Dual lordship is supported by śastra. BHPS Chapter 30/15-20. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > /http://rohinaa.com/ > /*Jyotish Tutorials > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > /*Mail:*/ > /rgendarz > rgendarz/ > > Rafał Gendarz pisze: > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > Dear Saumya > > > > Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Śastra). Its mutual graha > > drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. > > > > There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not all > > rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on Atmakaraka, > > Arudhapada etc.. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > -------------- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > www.rohinaa.com > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > /*Mail:*/ > > /rgendarz <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > rgendarz <rgendarz%40gmail.com>/ > > > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > > > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th house while > > > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > > > thank you again > > > With personal regards > > > Saumya > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme <starsuponme%40wp.pl> > > <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40> > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > Dear Gopalji > > > > > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha > > > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga > > > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual > > > aspect). > > > > > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to > > > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > > > > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth > > > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > -------------- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>> > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > /rgendarz <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > rgendarz <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > > > > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > > > > ruler. > > > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > > > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > > > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > > > > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > http://in.. com/ <http://in./ <http://in./> > > <http://in./ <http://in./>>> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Imran, For What it is worth: BPHS - Chowkhambha Hindi Edition by Jha_jee covers in Chapter 30: Arudhapadadhyaaya! Sl. 15-20 covers 'Pad say Dwadash ka phal' Incidentally, this edition, for those who can read Devnagri contains BPHS - slokas and translation in ONE VOLUME! RR__, vedic astrology , " astroimran " <astroimran wrote: > > Dear Rafal, > > First of all sorry for not replying on time, as I had an engaged week. > > I maintained (in my reply on December 13th, message number 117547) that Sage Parashar discussed Rahu/Ketu lordship quite later while describing Ududasa, rather before/in/along with Bhava Adhyayah or Yoga Adhayayah. > > In reply, you argued that Parashar supported dual lordship of lunar nodes in chapter 30, verse 15-20. > > For verifying your notion, I inquired Parashar Hora. In both (Santhanam and G.C. Sharma's) translations of BPHS, chapter 30 falls into Ishtakashta Adhyayah. And shalokas 15-20 of this chapter, DO NOT discuss anything about RAHU/KETU, not to speak of DUAL LORDSHIP. > > Please clarify. > > Sincerely, > Imran > > > PS: Apart from above, please note that my different point of view is NOT driven by any wrong/ill intention. I hope you won't assume difference as dispute. > > By the way, you hardly find any jyotisha shastar where author did not mention various opinions of forerunners as well as contemporaries. In fact, difference of opinion is the spirit of research that leads to true knowledge. Just think, what if Aristotle did not differ to work of Plato, what if Kalyan Varma did not differ to Varahamihira's opinion, what if John M. Keynes did not disagree to Alfred Marshal's viewpoint and what if Carl Jung did not differ to theory of Sigmund Freud? > > However, their disagreements were on pure academic grounds. Alas ours not. I'm writing these lines, since I've found many a members deriding and belittling each other without weighing themselves. vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > Dear M.Imran > > > > Dual lordship is supported by śastra. BHPS Chapter 30/15-20. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > -------------- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > /http://rohinaa.com/ > > /*Jyotish Tutorials > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > /*Mail:*/ > > /rgendarz@ > > rgendarz@/ > > > > Rafał Gendarz pisze: > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > Dear Saumya > > > > > > Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Śastra). Its mutual graha > > > drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. > > > > > > There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not all > > > rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on Atmakaraka, > > > Arudhapada etc.. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > -------------- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz%40gmail.com>/ > > > > > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > > > > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th house while > > > > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > > > > thank you again > > > > With personal regards > > > > Saumya > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ <starsuponme%40wp.pl> > > > <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > Dear Gopalji > > > > > > > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha > > > > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga > > > > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual > > > > aspect). > > > > > > > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to > > > > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > > > > > > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth > > > > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > -------------- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>> > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > > > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > > > > > ruler. > > > > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > > > > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > > > > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > > > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > > > > > > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > > > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > http://in.. com/ <http://in./ <http://in./> > > > <http://in./ <http://in./>>> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Imran Ji, Namaste, There are a lot number of books on BPHS and almost all have different chapter numbers,different headings of chapters. The one which have is edited by Ganesh Datt Pathak of Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar, Varanasi. Even in this book also the chapter under discussions is not covered. Therefore, what I feel is and you will agree, that it is really important to get a right book, which covers all the chapters of original BPHS ! Hope you agree with me. With my best regards. Raj Bhardwaj vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Imran, > > For What it is worth: BPHS - Chowkhambha Hindi Edition by Jha_jee covers in Chapter 30: Arudhapadadhyaaya! Sl. 15-20 covers 'Pad say Dwadash ka phal' > > Incidentally, this edition, for those who can read Devnagri contains BPHS - slokas and translation in ONE VOLUME! > > RR__, > > > vedic astrology , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > First of all sorry for not replying on time, as I had an engaged week. > > > > I maintained (in my reply on December 13th, message number 117547) that Sage Parashar discussed Rahu/Ketu lordship quite later while describing Ududasa, rather before/in/along with Bhava Adhyayah or Yoga Adhayayah. > > > > In reply, you argued that Parashar supported dual lordship of lunar nodes in chapter 30, verse 15-20. > > > > For verifying your notion, I inquired Parashar Hora. In both (Santhanam and G.C. Sharma's) translations of BPHS, chapter 30 falls into Ishtakashta Adhyayah. And shalokas 15-20 of this chapter, DO NOT discuss anything about RAHU/KETU, not to speak of DUAL LORDSHIP. > > > > Please clarify. > > > > Sincerely, > > Imran > > > > > > PS: Apart from above, please note that my different point of view is NOT driven by any wrong/ill intention. I hope you won't assume difference as dispute. > > > > By the way, you hardly find any jyotisha shastar where author did not mention various opinions of forerunners as well as contemporaries. In fact, difference of opinion is the spirit of research that leads to true knowledge. Just think, what if Aristotle did not differ to work of Plato, what if Kalyan Varma did not differ to Varahamihira's opinion, what if John M. Keynes did not disagree to Alfred Marshal's viewpoint and what if Carl Jung did not differ to theory of Sigmund Freud? > > > > However, their disagreements were on pure academic grounds. Alas ours not. I'm writing these lines, since I've found many a members deriding and belittling each other without weighing themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > Dear M.Imran > > > > > > Dual lordship is supported by śastra. BHPS Chapter 30/15-20. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > -------------- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > /http://rohinaa.com/ > > > /*Jyotish Tutorials > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > /rgendarz@ > > > rgendarz@/ > > > > > > Rafał Gendarz pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > Dear Saumya > > > > > > > > Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Śastra). Its mutual graha > > > > drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. > > > > > > > > There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not all > > > > rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on Atmakaraka, > > > > Arudhapada etc.. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > -------------- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz%40gmail.com>/ > > > > > > > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > > > > > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th house while > > > > > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > > > > > thank you again > > > > > With personal regards > > > > > Saumya > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ <starsuponme%40wp.pl> > > > > <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > Dear Gopalji > > > > > > > > > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha > > > > > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga > > > > > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual > > > > > aspect). > > > > > > > > > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to > > > > > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > > > > > > > > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth > > > > > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > -------------- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>> > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > > <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > > > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > > > > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > > > > > > ruler. > > > > > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > > > > > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > > > > > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > > > > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > > > > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Bhardwaj, RR and Rafal, Yes, I know there are more or less half a dozen translations of Parashar Hora that brought out in 20th century. And the order of chapters in them, are not unique. By the way, neither Ishtakashata Adhyayah, Pada Adhyayah, nor Upapada Adhayayah contains anything regarding Rahu/Ketu lorship. Well, that is NOT my viewpoint. What I put forwarded in my first reply is that Parashar did not consider Rahu/Ketu lordship for analyzing houses, bhavaphal and yogaphala. If we do so (against BPHS and it is not a 'sin' in anyway), then we'll have to take Rahu/Ketu ownership for bhaveshphalam (lord of houses in other houses) and functional lordship as well. However, as far as my little understanding is concerned, Parashar or any of his commentators has not supported this thesis. On the other hand, Maharishi Parashar accentuates the Rahu/Ketu co-lordship etc. when the question of dasa arises (vide Dasaphala Adhyayah, sloka 35-36). In other words, Rahu/Ketu ownership/exaltation/debilitation etc. is specific for certain purposes, especially for weighing periods. Despite, one may consider Rahu/Ketu ownership for all purposes as an innovation or a new research methodology. But don't label it Parashari Principle. With Regard, M. Imran vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > Dear Imran Ji, > Namaste, > There are a lot number of books on BPHS and almost all have different chapter numbers,different headings of chapters. The one which have is edited by Ganesh Datt Pathak of Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar, Varanasi. Even in this book also the chapter under discussions is not covered. Therefore, what I feel is and you will agree, that it is really important to get a right book, which covers all the chapters of original BPHS ! Hope you agree with me. With my best regards. > Raj Bhardwaj > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Imran, > > > > For What it is worth: BPHS - Chowkhambha Hindi Edition by Jha_jee covers in Chapter 30: Arudhapadadhyaaya! Sl. 15-20 covers 'Pad say Dwadash ka phal' > > > > Incidentally, this edition, for those who can read Devnagri contains BPHS - slokas and translation in ONE VOLUME! > > > > RR__, > > > > > > vedic astrology , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > First of all sorry for not replying on time, as I had an engaged week. > > > > > > I maintained (in my reply on December 13th, message number 117547) that Sage Parashar discussed Rahu/Ketu lordship quite later while describing Ududasa, rather before/in/along with Bhava Adhyayah or Yoga Adhayayah. > > > > > > In reply, you argued that Parashar supported dual lordship of lunar nodes in chapter 30, verse 15-20. > > > > > > For verifying your notion, I inquired Parashar Hora. In both (Santhanam and G.C. Sharma's) translations of BPHS, chapter 30 falls into Ishtakashta Adhyayah. And shalokas 15-20 of this chapter, DO NOT discuss anything about RAHU/KETU, not to speak of DUAL LORDSHIP. > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Imran > > > > > > > > > PS: Apart from above, please note that my different point of view is NOT driven by any wrong/ill intention. I hope you won't assume difference as dispute. > > > > > > By the way, you hardly find any jyotisha shastar where author did not mention various opinions of forerunners as well as contemporaries. In fact, difference of opinion is the spirit of research that leads to true knowledge. Just think, what if Aristotle did not differ to work of Plato, what if Kalyan Varma did not differ to Varahamihira's opinion, what if John M. Keynes did not disagree to Alfred Marshal's viewpoint and what if Carl Jung did not differ to theory of Sigmund Freud? > > > > > > However, their disagreements were on pure academic grounds. Alas ours not. I'm writing these lines, since I've found many a members deriding and belittling each other without weighing themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > Dear M.Imran > > > > > > > > Dual lordship is supported by śastra. BHPS Chapter 30/15-20. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > -------------- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > /http://rohinaa.com/ > > > > /*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > /rgendarz@ > > > > rgendarz@/ > > > > > > > > Rafał Gendarz pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > Dear Saumya > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Śastra). Its mutual graha > > > > > drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not all > > > > > rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on Atmakaraka, > > > > > Arudhapada etc.. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > -------------- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz%40gmail.com>/ > > > > > > > > > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > > > > > > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th house while > > > > > > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > > > > > > thank you again > > > > > > With personal regards > > > > > > Saumya > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ <starsuponme%40wp.pl> > > > > > <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > > > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > Dear Gopalji > > > > > > > > > > > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha > > > > > > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga > > > > > > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual > > > > > > aspect). > > > > > > > > > > > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to > > > > > > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth > > > > > > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>> > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > > <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > > > <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > > > > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > > > > > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > > > > > > > ruler. > > > > > > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > > > > > > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > > > > > > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > > > > > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > > > > > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > http://in.. com/ <http://in./ <http://in./> > > > > > <http://in./ <http://in./>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Hi Imran, Happy Saturday! May Shani-Maharaj absorb into its bottomless appetite, our collective ignorance and preprare us for the Dawn! You are right that the dual-lordship of lunar nodes should not be called Parashari-principle but rather 'derived from BPHS' or 'based on information given in BPHS', etc. I will have to check but in my articles on the topic of 'kujavata ketu sanivada rahu', I had consciously tried to avoid terms like " Parashari principle " which may give false impressions. There are many huge myths etc floating around in Jyotish, already. For example, " ~planets cause effects and are responsible for our good or bad experiences~ " ! RR_, vedic astrology , " astroimran " <astroimran wrote: > > Dear Bhardwaj, RR and Rafal, > > Yes, I know there are more or less half a dozen translations of Parashar Hora that brought out in 20th century. And the order of chapters in them, are not unique. By the way, neither Ishtakashata Adhyayah, Pada Adhyayah, nor Upapada Adhayayah contains anything regarding Rahu/Ketu lorship. > > Well, that is NOT my viewpoint. What I put forwarded in my first reply is that Parashar did not consider Rahu/Ketu lordship for analyzing houses, bhavaphal and yogaphala. If we do so (against BPHS and it is not a 'sin' in anyway), then we'll have to take Rahu/Ketu ownership for bhaveshphalam (lord of houses in other houses) and functional lordship as well. However, as far as my little understanding is concerned, Parashar or any of his commentators has not supported this thesis. > > On the other hand, Maharishi Parashar accentuates the Rahu/Ketu co-lordship etc. when the question of dasa arises (vide Dasaphala Adhyayah, sloka 35-36). In other words, Rahu/Ketu ownership/exaltation/debilitation etc. is specific for certain purposes, especially for weighing periods. > > Despite, one may consider Rahu/Ketu ownership for all purposes as an innovation or a new research methodology. But don't label it Parashari Principle. > > With Regard, > M. Imran > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > Dear Imran Ji, > > Namaste, > > There are a lot number of books on BPHS and almost all have different chapter numbers,different headings of chapters. The one which have is edited by Ganesh Datt Pathak of Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar, Varanasi. Even in this book also the chapter under discussions is not covered. Therefore, what I feel is and you will agree, that it is really important to get a right book, which covers all the chapters of original BPHS ! Hope you agree with me. With my best regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Imran, > > > > > > For What it is worth: BPHS - Chowkhambha Hindi Edition by Jha_jee covers in Chapter 30: Arudhapadadhyaaya! Sl. 15-20 covers 'Pad say Dwadash ka phal' > > > > > > Incidentally, this edition, for those who can read Devnagri contains BPHS - slokas and translation in ONE VOLUME! > > > > > > RR__, > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > First of all sorry for not replying on time, as I had an engaged week. > > > > > > > > I maintained (in my reply on December 13th, message number 117547) that Sage Parashar discussed Rahu/Ketu lordship quite later while describing Ududasa, rather before/in/along with Bhava Adhyayah or Yoga Adhayayah. > > > > > > > > In reply, you argued that Parashar supported dual lordship of lunar nodes in chapter 30, verse 15-20. > > > > > > > > For verifying your notion, I inquired Parashar Hora. In both (Santhanam and G.C. Sharma's) translations of BPHS, chapter 30 falls into Ishtakashta Adhyayah. And shalokas 15-20 of this chapter, DO NOT discuss anything about RAHU/KETU, not to speak of DUAL LORDSHIP. > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Apart from above, please note that my different point of view is NOT driven by any wrong/ill intention. I hope you won't assume difference as dispute. > > > > > > > > By the way, you hardly find any jyotisha shastar where author did not mention various opinions of forerunners as well as contemporaries. In fact, difference of opinion is the spirit of research that leads to true knowledge. Just think, what if Aristotle did not differ to work of Plato, what if Kalyan Varma did not differ to Varahamihira's opinion, what if John M. Keynes did not disagree to Alfred Marshal's viewpoint and what if Carl Jung did not differ to theory of Sigmund Freud? > > > > > > > > However, their disagreements were on pure academic grounds. Alas ours not. I'm writing these lines, since I've found many a members deriding and belittling each other without weighing themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > Dear M.Imran > > > > > > > > > > Dual lordship is supported by śastra. BHPS Chapter 30/15-20. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > -------------- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > /http://rohinaa.com/ > > > > > /*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > /rgendarz@ > > > > > rgendarz@/ > > > > > > > > > > Rafał Gendarz pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > Dear Saumya > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Śastra). Its mutual graha > > > > > > drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not all > > > > > > rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on Atmakaraka, > > > > > > Arudhapada etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz%40gmail.com>/ > > > > > > > > > > > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > > > > > > > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th house while > > > > > > > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > > > > > > > thank you again > > > > > > > With personal regards > > > > > > > Saumya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ <starsuponme%40wp.pl> > > > > > > <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > > > > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > > Dear Gopalji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha > > > > > > > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga > > > > > > > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual > > > > > > > aspect). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to > > > > > > > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth > > > > > > > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>> > > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > > > <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > > > > <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > > > > > > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > > > > > > > > ruler. > > > > > > > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > > > > > > > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > > > > > > > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > > > > > > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > > > > > > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Dear Imran Ji, I have since got the book in question with me and gone thro Ch 30,Ver 15-21, and I am afraid, it does not clarify the point put forth by Rafal Ji and RR, in answer to your query. Now, I have understood the complete essence of your point of view and the underlying idea related to this. Yes we must search for answers either from within the BPHS, but then we do not have the vision like that of Sage Parashara to unravel the complete meaning of his verses. So, at the best, someone can come out with plausible reasoning with examples to take the Parashara Muni's theory further! With my best regards. Raj Bhardwaj vedic astrology , " astroimran " <astroimran wrote: > > Dear Bhardwaj, RR and Rafal, > > Yes, I know there are more or less half a dozen translations of Parashar Hora that brought out in 20th century. And the order of chapters in them, are not unique. By the way, neither Ishtakashata Adhyayah, Pada Adhyayah, nor Upapada Adhayayah contains anything regarding Rahu/Ketu lorship. > > Well, that is NOT my viewpoint. What I put forwarded in my first reply is that Parashar did not consider Rahu/Ketu lordship for analyzing houses, bhavaphal and yogaphala. If we do so (against BPHS and it is not a 'sin' in anyway), then we'll have to take Rahu/Ketu ownership for bhaveshphalam (lord of houses in other houses) and functional lordship as well. However, as far as my little understanding is concerned, Parashar or any of his commentators has not supported this thesis. > > On the other hand, Maharishi Parashar accentuates the Rahu/Ketu co-lordship etc. when the question of dasa arises (vide Dasaphala Adhyayah, sloka 35-36). In other words, Rahu/Ketu ownership/exaltation/debilitation etc. is specific for certain purposes, especially for weighing periods. > > Despite, one may consider Rahu/Ketu ownership for all purposes as an innovation or a new research methodology. But don't label it Parashari Principle. > > With Regard, > M. Imran > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Raj " rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote: > > > > Dear Imran Ji, > > Namaste, > > There are a lot number of books on BPHS and almost all have different chapter numbers,different headings of chapters. The one which have is edited by Ganesh Datt Pathak of Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar, Varanasi. Even in this book also the chapter under discussions is not covered. Therefore, what I feel is and you will agree, that it is really important to get a right book, which covers all the chapters of original BPHS ! Hope you agree with me. With my best regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Imran, > > > > > > For What it is worth: BPHS - Chowkhambha Hindi Edition by Jha_jee covers in Chapter 30: Arudhapadadhyaaya! Sl. 15-20 covers 'Pad say Dwadash ka phal' > > > > > > Incidentally, this edition, for those who can read Devnagri contains BPHS - slokas and translation in ONE VOLUME! > > > > > > RR__, > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > First of all sorry for not replying on time, as I had an engaged week. > > > > > > > > I maintained (in my reply on December 13th, message number 117547) that Sage Parashar discussed Rahu/Ketu lordship quite later while describing Ududasa, rather before/in/along with Bhava Adhyayah or Yoga Adhayayah. > > > > > > > > In reply, you argued that Parashar supported dual lordship of lunar nodes in chapter 30, verse 15-20. > > > > > > > > For verifying your notion, I inquired Parashar Hora. In both (Santhanam and G.C. Sharma's) translations of BPHS, chapter 30 falls into Ishtakashta Adhyayah. And shalokas 15-20 of this chapter, DO NOT discuss anything about RAHU/KETU, not to speak of DUAL LORDSHIP. > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Apart from above, please note that my different point of view is NOT driven by any wrong/ill intention. I hope you won't assume difference as dispute. > > > > > > > > By the way, you hardly find any jyotisha shastar where author did not mention various opinions of forerunners as well as contemporaries. In fact, difference of opinion is the spirit of research that leads to true knowledge. Just think, what if Aristotle did not differ to work of Plato, what if Kalyan Varma did not differ to Varahamihira's opinion, what if John M. Keynes did not disagree to Alfred Marshal's viewpoint and what if Carl Jung did not differ to theory of Sigmund Freud? > > > > > > > > However, their disagreements were on pure academic grounds. Alas ours not. I'm writing these lines, since I've found many a members deriding and belittling each other without weighing themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > Dear M.Imran > > > > > > > > > > Dual lordship is supported by śastra. BHPS Chapter 30/15-20. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > -------------- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > /http://rohinaa.com/ > > > > > /*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > /rgendarz@ > > > > > rgendarz@/ > > > > > > > > > > Rafał Gendarz pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > Dear Saumya > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Śastra). Its mutual graha > > > > > > drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not all > > > > > > rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on Atmakaraka, > > > > > > Arudhapada etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz%40gmail.com>/ > > > > > > > > > > > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > > > > > > > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th house while > > > > > > > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > > > > > > > thank you again > > > > > > > With personal regards > > > > > > > Saumya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ <starsuponme%40wp.pl> > > > > > > <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>; sohamsa > > > > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > > Dear Gopalji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. Rahu graha > > > > > > > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can form rajayoga > > > > > > > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified for mutual > > > > > > > aspect). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha-drsti) is quallified to > > > > > > > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter being in ninth > > > > > > > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>> > > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > > > <%2Frgendarz%40googlewave.com> > > > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > > > > <rgendarz%40gmail.com> > > > > > > > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > > > > > > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only secondary > > > > > > > > ruler. > > > > > > > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and purpose. > > > > > > > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and aspected by > > > > > > > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > > > > > > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in Laguparasari. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > > > > > > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > http://in.. com/ <http://in./ <http://in./> > > > > > > <http://in./ <http://in./>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 /*klim krishna klim*/ Dear Raj Jyotish cant be grasp without blessings of Guru so ask your Guruji and you will know. I have asked mine and I know that Rahu and Ketu lords Kumbha and Vrscika respectively, not only for counting Dasa-calculation but also for all phalas related yogas. Open few charts and test this rule. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* /http://rohinaa.com/'>http://rohinaa.com/ /*Jyotish Tutorials */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> /*Mail:*/ /rgendarz rgendarz/ Raj pisze: > > > > > Dear Imran Ji, > > I have since got the book in question with me and gone thro Ch 30,Ver > 15-21, and I am afraid, it does not clarify the point put forth by Rafal > Ji and RR, in answer to your query. Now, I have understood the complete > essence of your point of view and the underlying idea related to this. > Yes we must search for answers either from within the BPHS, but then we > do not have the vision like that of Sage Parashara to unravel the > complete meaning of his verses. So, at the best, someone can come out > with plausible reasoning with examples to take the Parashara Muni's > theory further! With my best regards. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " astroimran " <astroimran@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhardwaj, RR and Rafal, > > > > Yes, I know there are more or less half a dozen translations of > Parashar Hora that brought out in 20th century. And the order of > chapters in them, are not unique. By the way, neither Ishtakashata > Adhyayah, Pada Adhyayah, nor Upapada Adhayayah contains anything > regarding Rahu/Ketu lorship. > > > > Well, that is NOT my viewpoint. What I put forwarded in my first reply > is that Parashar did not consider Rahu/Ketu lordship for analyzing > houses, bhavaphal and yogaphala. If we do so (against BPHS and it is not > a 'sin' in anyway), then we'll have to take Rahu/Ketu ownership for > bhaveshphalam (lord of houses in other houses) and functional lordship > as well. However, as far as my little understanding is concerned, > Parashar or any of his commentators has not supported this thesis. > > > > On the other hand, Maharishi Parashar accentuates the Rahu/Ketu > co-lordship etc. when the question of dasa arises (vide Dasaphala > Adhyayah, sloka 35-36). In other words, Rahu/Ketu > ownership/exaltatio n/debilitation etc. is specific for certain purposes, > especially for weighing periods. > > > > Despite, one may consider Rahu/Ketu ownership for all purposes as an > innovation or a new research methodology. But don't label it Parashari > Principle. > > > > With Regard, > > M. Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Raj " rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Imran Ji, > > > Namaste, > > > There are a lot number of books on BPHS and almost all have > different chapter numbers,different headings of chapters. The one which > have is edited by Ganesh Datt Pathak of Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar, > Varanasi. Even in this book also the chapter under discussions is not > covered. Therefore, what I feel is and you will agree, that it is really > important to get a right book, which covers all the chapters of original > BPHS ! Hope you agree with me. With my best regards. > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Imran, > > > > > > > > For What it is worth: BPHS - Chowkhambha Hindi Edition by Jha_jee > covers in Chapter 30: Arudhapadadhyaaya! Sl. 15-20 covers 'Pad say > Dwadash ka phal' > > > > > > > > Incidentally, this edition, for those who can read Devnagri > contains BPHS - slokas and translation in ONE VOLUME! > > > > > > > > RR__, > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " astroimran " <astroimran@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > First of all sorry for not replying on time, as I had an engaged > week. > > > > > > > > > > I maintained (in my reply on December 13th, message number > 117547) that Sage Parashar discussed Rahu/Ketu lordship quite later > while describing Ududasa, rather before/in/along with Bhava Adhyayah or > Yoga Adhayayah. > > > > > > > > > > In reply, you argued that Parashar supported dual lordship of > lunar nodes in chapter 30, verse 15-20. > > > > > > > > > > For verifying your notion, I inquired Parashar Hora. In both > (Santhanam and G.C. Sharma's) translations of BPHS, chapter 30 falls > into Ishtakashta Adhyayah. And shalokas 15-20 of this chapter, DO NOT > discuss anything about RAHU/KETU, not to speak of DUAL LORDSHIP. > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Apart from above, please note that my different point of > view is NOT driven by any wrong/ill intention. I hope you won't assume > difference as dispute. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, you hardly find any jyotisha shastar where author > did not mention various opinions of forerunners as well as > contemporaries. In fact, difference of opinion is the spirit of research > that leads to true knowledge. Just think, what if Aristotle did not > differ to work of Plato, what if Kalyan Varma did not differ to > Varahamihira' s opinion, what if John M. Keynes did not disagree to > Alfred Marshal's viewpoint and what if Carl Jung did not differ to > theory of Sigmund Freud? > > > > > > > > > > However, their disagreements were on pure academic grounds. Alas > ours not. I'm writing these lines, since I've found many a members > deriding and belittling each other without weighing themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafał Gendarz > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > Dear M.Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > Dual lordship is supported by śastra. BHPS Chapter > 30/15-20. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > /http://rohinaa. com/ <http://rohinaa.com/> > > > > > > /*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > */www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > /rgendarz@ > > > > > > rgendarz@/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafał Gendarz pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > > Dear Saumya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Śastra). > Its mutual graha > > > > > > > drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not > all > > > > > > > rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on > Atmakaraka, > > > > > > > Arudhapada etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > > */www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>> > > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz %40googlewave. com> > > > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz% 40gmail.com> / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > > > > > > > > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th > house while > > > > > > > > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > > > > > > > > thank you again > > > > > > > > With personal regards > > > > > > > > Saumya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ > <starsuponme %40wp.pl> > > > > > > > <starsuponme %40wp.pl> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>; > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > > > Dear Gopalji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. > Rahu graha > > > > > > > > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can > form rajayoga > > > > > > > > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified > for mutual > > > > > > > > aspect). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha- drsti) is > quallified to > > > > > > > > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter > being in ninth > > > > > > > > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > > www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > > > */www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>>> > > > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz %40googlewave. com> > > > > > > > <%2Frgendarz %40googlewave. com> > > > > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > <rgendarz% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > > > > > > > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only > secondary > > > > > > > > > ruler. > > > > > > > > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and > purpose. > > > > > > > > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and > aspected by > > > > > > > > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > > > > > > > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in > Laguparasari. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > > > > > > > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Dear GuruRafal Ji, Namaste, Yes I am in full agreement with you. I am also clear that while calculating the dasha, we have options to chose the lordship of sign Sc between Mars and Ketu, and lordship of Aq between Sat and Rahu. What was my view of agreeing with question as put and clarified by Imran Ji with reference to BPHS that " PARASHARA DID NOT CONSIDER RAHU/KETU LORDSHIP FOR ANALYSING LORDSHIP FOR ANALYSING HOUSES,BHAVPHAL AND YOGAPHAL, AND IF WE DO SO THEN WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE RAHU/KETU LORDSHIP FOR ANALYSING HOUSES,BHAVAPHAL AND YOGAPHALA............ " The essence of my conclusion was also that some great Guru can only attempt it , when I wrote " YES WE MUST SEARCH FOR ANSWERS EITHER FROM WITHIN THE BPHS, BUT THEN WE DO NOT HAVE THE VISION LIKE THAT OF SAGE PARASHARA TO UNRAVEL THE COMPLETE MEANINGS OF HIS VERSES, SO AT THE BEST SOMEONE CAN COME OUT SWITH PLAUSIBLE REASONING WITH EXAMPLES TO TAKE THE PARASHARA'S MUNI'S THEORIES FURTHER " Dear Guru Rafal Ji, I also to the theory of " BIN GURU GYAN KAHAN SE PAYOON ? I apologise to you, if my msg conveyed contrary. With my due respect to you and all Gurus and best wishes. Raj Bhardwaj -- In vedic astrology , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > Dear Raj > > Jyotish cant be grasp without blessings of Guru so ask your Guruji and > you will know. I have asked mine and I know that Rahu and Ketu lords > Kumbha and Vrscika respectively, not only for counting Dasa-calculation > but also for all phalas related yogas. Open few charts and test this rule. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > /http://rohinaa.com/'>http://rohinaa.com/ > /*Jyotish Tutorials > */www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > /*Mail:*/ > /rgendarz > rgendarz/ > > Raj pisze: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Imran Ji, > > > > I have since got the book in question with me and gone thro Ch 30,Ver > > 15-21, and I am afraid, it does not clarify the point put forth by Rafal > > Ji and RR, in answer to your query. Now, I have understood the complete > > essence of your point of view and the underlying idea related to this. > > Yes we must search for answers either from within the BPHS, but then we > > do not have the vision like that of Sage Parashara to unravel the > > complete meaning of his verses. So, at the best, someone can come out > > with plausible reasoning with examples to take the Parashara Muni's > > theory further! With my best regards. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " astroimran " <astroimran@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhardwaj, RR and Rafal, > > > > > > Yes, I know there are more or less half a dozen translations of > > Parashar Hora that brought out in 20th century. And the order of > > chapters in them, are not unique. By the way, neither Ishtakashata > > Adhyayah, Pada Adhyayah, nor Upapada Adhayayah contains anything > > regarding Rahu/Ketu lorship. > > > > > > Well, that is NOT my viewpoint. What I put forwarded in my first reply > > is that > > as well. However, as far as my little understanding is concerned, > > Parashar or any of his commentators has not supported this thesis. > > > > > > On the other hand, Maharishi Parashar accentuates the Rahu/Ketu > > co-lordship etc. when the question of dasa arises (vide Dasaphala > > Adhyayah, sloka 35-36). In other words, Rahu/Ketu > > ownership/exaltatio n/debilitation etc. is specific for certain purposes, > > especially for weighing periods. > > > > > > Despite, one may consider Rahu/Ketu ownership for all purposes as an > > innovation or a new research methodology. But don't label it Parashari > > Principle. > > > > > > With Regard, > > > M. Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " Raj " rajbhardwaj1949@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Imran Ji, > > > > Namaste, > > > > There are a lot number of books on BPHS and almost all have > > different chapter numbers,different headings of chapters. The one which > > have is edited by Ganesh Datt Pathak of Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar, > > Varanasi. Even in this book also the chapter under discussions is not > > covered. Therefore, what I feel is and you will agree, that it is really > > important to get a right book, which covers all the chapters of original > > BPHS ! Hope you agree with me. With my best regards. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Imran, > > > > > > > > > > For What it is worth: BPHS - Chowkhambha Hindi Edition by Jha_jee > > covers in Chapter 30: Arudhapadadhyaaya! Sl. 15-20 covers 'Pad say > > Dwadash ka phal' > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, this edition, for those who can read Devnagri > > contains BPHS - slokas and translation in ONE VOLUME! > > > > > > > > > > RR__, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " astroimran " <astroimran@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all sorry for not replying on time, as I had an engaged > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > I maintained (in my reply on December 13th, message number > > 117547) that Sage Parashar discussed Rahu/Ketu lordship quite later > > while describing Ududasa, rather before/in/along with Bhava Adhyayah or > > Yoga Adhayayah. > > > > > > > > > > > > In reply, you argued that Parashar supported dual lordship of > > lunar nodes in chapter 30, verse 15-20. > > > > > > > > > > > > For verifying your notion, I inquired Parashar Hora. In both > > (Santhanam and G.C. Sharma's) translations of BPHS, chapter 30 falls > > into Ishtakashta Adhyayah. And shalokas 15-20 of this chapter, DO NOT > > discuss anything about RAHU/KETU, not to speak of DUAL LORDSHIP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Apart from above, please note that my different point of > > view is NOT driven by any wrong/ill intention. I hope you won't assume > > difference as dispute. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, you hardly find any jyotisha shastar where author > > did not mention various opinions of forerunners as well as > > contemporaries. In fact, difference of opinion is the spirit of research > > that leads to true knowledge. Just think, what if Aristotle did not > > differ to work of Plato, what if Kalyan Varma did not differ to > > Varahamihira' s opinion, what if John M. Keynes did not disagree to > > Alfred Marshal's viewpoint and what if Carl Jung did not differ to > > theory of Sigmund Freud? > > > > > > > > > > > > However, their disagreements were on pure academic grounds. Alas > > ours not. I'm writing these lines, since I've found many a members > > deriding and belittling each other without weighing themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > > Dear M.Imran > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dual lordship is supported by Å›astra. BHPS Chapter > > 30/15-20. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > /http://rohinaa. com/ <http://rohinaa.com/> > > > > > > > /*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > > */www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > > /rgendarz@ > > > > > > > rgendarz@/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RafaÅ‚ Gendarz pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in eleventh by itself is rajayoga (per Åšastra). > > Its mutual graha > > > > > > > > drsti with Jupiter in third forms rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more to rajayoga which I cant write here, but not > > all > > > > > > > > rajayogas will be enjoyed by the native..it depends a lot on > > Atmakaraka, > > > > > > > > Arudhapada etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > > www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > > > */www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>> > > > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz %40googlewave. com> > > > > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz% 40gmail.com> / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saumya ray chaudhuri pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Guru Rafal Ji,Namaskar, > > > > > > > > > Do you consider Rahu forms yoga for Gemini being in 11th > > house while > > > > > > > > > Ju posits on 3rd house giving 9th dristi to Rahu. > > > > > > > > > thank you again > > > > > > > > > With personal regards > > > > > > > > > Saumya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > <starsuponme %40wp.pl> > > > > > > > > <starsuponme %40wp.pl> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>; > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> > > > > > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 9:56:00 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Dual Lordship of Nodes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*klim krishna klim*/ > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopalji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your below statements are not supported by SJC tradition. > > Rahu graha > > > > > > > > > drsti on fifth house is considered as purna-drsti and can > > form rajayoga > > > > > > > > > with Jupiter (as it has ninth house drsti which quallified > > for mutual > > > > > > > > > aspect). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mutual aspects of graha drsti (sam-purna-graha- drsti) is > > quallified to > > > > > > > > > give yoga besides i) parivartana and ii) yuti. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on above teaching Rahu being in fifth and Jupiter > > being in ninth > > > > > > > > > for Mithuna form Rajayoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > > > www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > //*Jyotish Tutorials > > > > > > > > > */www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz> > > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube. com/user/ RafalGendarz > > <http://www.youtube.com/user/RafalGendarz>>>> > > > > > > > > > /*Mail:*/ > > > > > > > > > /rgendarz@ <%2Frgendarz %40googlewave. com> > > > > > > > > <%2Frgendarz %40googlewave. com> > > > > > > > > > rgendarz@ <rgendarz% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > <rgendarz% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > *Skype: jyotraff1*/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal Goel pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saumya ji, > > > > > > > > > > The real ruler of Aquarius is Saturn and Rahu is only > > secondary > > > > > > > > > > ruler. > > > > > > > > > > Similarly , Mars is real ruler of Scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The secondary rulership of nodes is for specific use and > > purpose. > > > > > > > > > > If nodes are placed in kendra (angular ) houses and > > aspected by > > > > > > > > > > trikona lord or vice vars , the nodes become yogakarka. > > > > > > > > > > Kindly study three slokas given on nodes in > > Laguparasari. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly , only 7th aspect of nodes is considered for > > > > > > > > > > for formation of Raj yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 24, 2009 Report Share Posted December 24, 2009 Dear Friends, THERE IS A NICE DISCUSSIONS ON DUAL LORDSHIP ANS ASPECTS OF NODES. first of all ,I will give references as available in BPHS: Ch 35 of Sitaram Jha and ch 36 -'YOGA KARKAS ADHYA'- in both versions slokas 16 and 17 on nodes: Sl16-The shadowy planets( Rahu and Ketu) give predominantly the effects of the lord of the house with whom they are in conjunction or of the house in which they are placed. Sl 17-If the Tamograha are situated in an angle or a trine , and are in conjunction with or are aspected by the trinal lord or Angular lord respectively , then they become yogakarka. THESE TWO SLOKA(S) ARE GIVEN IN LAGHU PARASARI ALSO. Laghu Parasari gives one additional sloka: SL-36- If rahu and ketu are placed in auspicious houses , even if they are not in sambandha (as explained in sloka 17 above) , they will GIVE yogakarka resuts according to sub-periods. Analysis of above three slokas clearly reveals that Node's aspects are not assigned any role while considering their effects and neither their lordship. The question therefore arises what is the function of their lordship and aspects which are revealed in BPHS at a latter stage . Obviously these will used in the reference and context where these are mentioned . These are not for general or universal use. Ch 47 Sloka 106 of Sitaram Jha version ,and ch 48 Sloka 157 of G C Sharma version of Bphs under the heading -DASA Adhaya- In the context of ascertaining sign dasas, it is mentioned: " Scorpio sign has two lordship of two planets namely Mars and Ketu and Aquarius sign of Saturn and Rahu, " The purpose is well defined. Ch-48 of sitaram version and chapter 49 of Sharma version -in Dasaphal Adya - of BPHS sloka 34,35and 36 , it is mentioned: " For accessing dasa results (these sloka are mentioned in the context of NAKSHATRA DASAS MORE PARTICULARLY VIMSOTTARI DASA),the exaltation signs of Rahu and ketu are Taurus and Scorpio.Mool trikona are Gemini and Sagittarius.Own signs are Aquarius and Scorpio. Some also say Virgo and Pisces. " Bphs used the lordships of nodes for accessing marka potential.This can be ascertained where parasara elaborated dasa and antardasa results in nine separate chapters. On aspects of Rahu , BPHS version published from Bombay in 1989 , Khemraj Shrikrishnadasa, in Ch 47 sloka 26 on page 498 , it is mentioned: Rahu has full aspects on 5,7 and 9 houses, half aspect on 2and 10 houses and quarter aspect on 3 and 6 houses and considered as blind for the house in which it is placed. " " Nothing is mentioned on the aspects of Ketu " AS SUCH the rulership and aspects of nodes is not for universal use but for specific purpose. Some savants suggested that if Rahu and Ketu in mutual aspect of 5/9 with Jupiter , it generate Rajyoga.This is not true.The aspects of nodes influences the aspected positions and should not be used for accessing Rajyogas. AS BPHS HAS NOT INDICATED THE ASPECTS OF KETU , IT IS GENERALLY VIEWED THAT KETU HAS FULL ASPECTS ON 5,7 AND 9 HOUSE(INFLUENCE ASPECTS). I HAVE GIVEN ORIGINAL QUOTES FROM VARIOUS VERSIONS OF BPHS AND LAGHU PARASARI AND ALSO MY VIEWS.THE SAVANTS ARE FREE TO DRAW OWN CONCLUSIONS. G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ________________________________ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Dear Gendarg,I wish you happy X mus and New year.My Guru Pt. Sanjay Rath And your guru respectedVishti ji , follow it , and you are also follow it.This is not enough to call it Sgs tadition.I am not able to convince me to follow as BPHS and Laghu -parasari ofsage Parasar do not support this view.Regards. G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Dear Gendarg,I wish you happy X mus and New year.My Guru Pt. Sanjay Rath And your guru respectedVishti ji , follow it , and you are also following it.This is not enough to call it Sjs tadition.I am not able to convince myself to follow the above tradition as BPHS and Laghu -parasari ofsage Parasar do not support this view.As far Gemini ascendant is concerned , Rahu in 5H will give yoga results as it is aspected by angular lord Jupiter, even if ,Jupiter is placed in 1st Rahu will become yoga karka.Regards. G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 om gurave namah Dear Geol sahib Your doubt is very valid. Like Jaimini, Maharsi Parasara also assumed that those reading his hora shastra are very knowledgable already with the sadhaarana jyotirvidya. Alas today we are struggling to put togther bits of information, the links of which seem to be missing. That is why at such times it is better to respect the tradition until proven otherwise. What is tradition if not the practise of following the previous generation to the best of our abilities? Here there are two pitfalls (1) we assume that everything that the previous generation learnt, they learnt perfectly and (2) we assume thatwhatever they had to teach we learnt perfectly In these dark days of Kali Yuga, such assumptions prove to be our failing and we have to constantly strive to improve upon them. Firstly, when learning any classic of the level of Parasara we should know that every part of it is like a part of a complete, perfect body. This body of knowledge is in perfect harmony and is like the Kalapurusha Himself. Therefore there can be no conflict between one part of the body and another. A person who fails to perceive this is saying that his head went to office and his legs stayed behind! This failing will surely happen to those who learn with their own buddhi because they are guided by their own cultures, their own traditions and thinking processes which are the limiting factors to this high learning. Secondly, we, the people living through the experience of Kali Yuga are like blind men touching different parts of the huge body of knowledge, like different parts of an elephant and saying elephant is like tree trunk (touch leg), no it is like a snake (trunk) ...and so on. And we shall continue to debate endlessly for none of us is wiser the other trying to belittle rather than share the knowledge so that we may complete the puzzle before us. Thirdly, even if we are able to map every part of the elephant body (Jyotish knowledge), our little brains cannot comprehend the fathoms of knowledge in it for those parts which lie inside the body of the elephant are beyond the reach of those who seek to learn of it through the mere sense organs or touch, taste etc. With all these limitations, those of us who at least try to follow the older generation are ina slightly advantageous point in that we at least know that we do not fully know. That does give us the advantage of constant learning. It gives us he advantage of humility. It gives us the advantage of the grace of the Guru ...and that for one like me, is heaven itself. On a personal note, Goel ji. let not Mercury take you into endless debates as this is the esential rajasic nature of Mercury. Instead let him take you to the Bhagavat Gita. The same graha when dominated by different gunas will manifest differently in the karmas it contains. We always have the options, and here the option of sattva is simply *one mantra away* ...om namo bhagavate vasudevaya. In the end, let me simply say that if Parasara says that the nodes have dual lordships, then there must be a reason for saying so. We need to understand this from a deeper perspective. if Ketu did not rule Scorpio, then Kalachakra and kalachakra dasa would be defunct. This is just one example. And we know that kalachakra is based on the bha-chakra ...can keep on debating till 2019 Dec 25 ...or can leave it here and get along with the task I have started parasara Jyotisa Course ...where I can finally put everything I learnt in the right perspective. Thank you for bringing suhc a beautiful point to my notice. With much regards as always, Pranaam. Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762 Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel 25 December 2009 01:03 PM sohamsa Dual Lordship of Nodes Dear Gendarg, I wish you happy X mus and New year. My Guru Pt. Sanjay Rath And your guru respected Vishti ji , follow it , and you are also follow it. This is not enough to call it Sgs tadition. I am not able to convince me to follow as BPHS and Laghu -parasari of sage Parasar do not support this view. Regards. G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 JAI SRIRAMDear Sanjay,Because of strength either one planet considered as Lagna lord for each sign scorpio/aquaris,What about other planet? How exactly it act as lagna co lord?There are two rules exaltation for nodes,how it should be applicable?Tarus,Gemini - RahuScorpio,Sagritus - KetuThanks,Venkatesh--- On Fri, 25/12/09, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:Sanjay Rath <sanjayrathRE: Dual Lordship of Nodessohamsa Date: Friday, 25 December, 2009, 10:27 PM om gurave namah Dear Geol sahib Your doubt is very valid. Like Jaimini, Maharsi Parasara also assumed that those reading his hora shastra are very knowledgable already with the sadhaarana jyotirvidya. Alas today we are struggling to put togther bits of information, the links of which seem to be missing. That is why at such times it is better to respect the tradition until proven otherwise. What is tradition if not the practise of following the previous generation to the best of our abilities? Here there are two pitfalls (1) we assume that everything that the previous generation learnt, they learnt perfectly and (2) we assume thatwhatever they had to teach we learnt perfectly In these dark days of Kali Yuga, such assumptions prove to be our failing and we have to constantly strive to improve upon them. Firstly, when learning any classic of the level of Parasara we should know that every part of it is like a part of a complete, perfect body. This body of knowledge is in perfect harmony and is like the Kalapurusha Himself. Therefore there can be no conflict between one part of the body and another. A person who fails to perceive this is saying that his head went to office and his legs stayed behind! This failing will surely happen to those who learn with their own buddhi because they are guided by their own cultures, their own traditions and thinking processes which are the limiting factors to this high learning. Secondly, we, the people living through the experience of Kali Yuga are like blind men touching different parts of the huge body of knowledge, like different parts of an elephant and saying elephant is like tree trunk (touch leg), no it is like a snake (trunk) ...and so on. And we shall continue to debate endlessly for none of us is wiser the other trying to belittle rather than share the knowledge so that we may complete the puzzle before us. Thirdly, even if we are able to map every part of the elephant body (Jyotish knowledge), our little brains cannot comprehend the fathoms of knowledge in it for those parts which lie inside the body of the elephant are beyond the reach of those who seek to learn of it through the mere sense organs or touch, taste etc. With all these limitations, those of us who at least try to follow the older generation are ina slightly advantageous point in that we at least know that we do not fully know. That does give us the advantage of constant learning. It gives us he advantage of humility. It gives us the advantage of the grace of the Guru ...and that for one like me, is heaven itself. On a personal note, Goel ji. let not Mercury take you into endless debates as this is the esential rajasic nature of Mercury. Instead let him take you to the Bhagavat Gita. The same graha when dominated by different gunas will manifest differently in the karmas it contains. We always have the options, and here the option of sattva is simply *one mantra away* ...om namo bhagavate vasudevaya. In the end, let me simply say that if Parasara says that the nodes have dual lordships, then there must be a reason for saying so. We need to understand this from a deeper perspective. if Ketu did not rule Scorpio, then Kalachakra and kalachakra dasa would be defunct. This is just one example. And we know that kalachakra is based on the bha-chakra ...can keep on debating till 2019 Dec 25 ...or can leave it here and get along with the task I have started parasara Jyotisa Course ...where I can finally put everything I learnt in the right perspective. Thank you for bringing suhc a beautiful point to my notice. With much regards as always, Pranaam. Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762 Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa. com; Books: www.sagittariuspubl ications. com; Community: www.. org sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel 25 December 2009 01:03 PM sohamsa@ .com Dual Lordship of Nodes Dear Gendarg, I wish you happy X mus and New year. My Guru Pt. Sanjay Rath And your guru respected Vishti ji , follow it , and you are also follow it. This is not enough to call it Sgs tadition. I am not able to convince me to follow as BPHS and Laghu -parasari of sage Parasar do not support this view. Regards. G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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