Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yoga

January 24, 2010

Dear Maja mam,Wonderful write up ,yea it was a bit pain staking for its length but still worth vile . :)I also second you when you say that most of the marriages get tiring after some time ,very few fortunate ones find an ideal partner ,receptive and reciprocative in all senses .I also see people in relationships or newly weds around me and feel ki is love/marriage worth that sacrifice ,for you its wax in the ears ,for me it can be long incessant bills , but still when i see a wonderful child with them i feel ki marriage is a bliss ,children are the only factor that make you feel that the married cpl are in complete harmony...with regardsdeep--- On Sun, 24/1/10, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastroRE: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yogasohamsa Date: Sunday, 24 January, 2010, 4:23 AM

Om Gurave NamahDear Vivek, namasteI read that last email you were sending after this which is bellow my email. Your wife is pretty much healthy woman. Considering your relationships before marriage, the only serious relationship you ever had is this with your wife. She is first Upa Pada, I am glad this is confirmed.Before I forget to say it (again): yes that is right, your wife would have to contact me directly (however she feels more comfortable- privately or here on forum) in order to allow me to interpret her chart.Opposition to your

marriage was mostly from your father in law? When did you meet your wife?Eternal, life time painful spot of every Sukra Atma Karaka is its "Royal Highness-Institutio n of Marriage". What Sukra Atma

Karaka is living and breathing for is love. You have read that you are having afflicted Sukra (curse) in your chart. This adds hardships on previous statement. Here on forum many times I came across questions such as "Will I have love marriage or arranged marriage?" and every time I am wondering what is on questioners mind... Love? Or falling in love/passion? There is a difference and it is

so hard to explain it to someone who had never felt both, simply entered arranged marriage and remain there for rest of life. No matter what one says to a person who experienced only arranged marriage without falling in love to spouse or loving spouse, they can never understand that there is no big difference between deep love on one side and solid, quality relation inside arranged marriage on the other. There are no "butterflies in stomach" feeling, excitement, shivering, sweet insomnia when it comes to real, deep love. Are you following me so far Sukra Atma Karaka? :)"Butterflies" are present for few days, weeks, months... in best case for few years. Eventually they "fly away" and leave us in bills, loans, arguments over holiday destination, color of sofa, budget plans, "shall we rent/buy house/apartment here or there?", diapers, babies crying, "I am too tired talk, I had a very exhausting day at work", what are we going to have for

dinner, who is earning more, etc. etc. etc. A warm welcome to cruel reality of every day life! So really, who is messed up more at birth: westerns or Indians? Westerns rarely learn difference between love and falling in love, so landing "cruel reality" after "butterflies stage" appears more as a plain crash, if love did not have enough time to plant roots before living together. Indians, on the other side, can hardly get rid of feeling as if they are missing something crucial if their only option is simply to enter arranged marriage and that is it as far as their emotional life. (It is probably scary idea for nowadays 20 year old in India, considering what they are coming across in global media and internet.) As a human being I can only be honest with you and say that I don't

believe in institution of marriage either. At least not from that

perspective of what majority of human beings aged 20-35 is expecting

from partnership deep down inside, no matter which

tradition/country/ religion he or she belongs. Mutual love. Very small percentage of population is lucky to experience this, and majority of these lucky ones did not get everything on the plate as soon as they married. They probably had to put lot of effort and time to make things work.Bottom line, what every married human being needs in The Holy Institution of Marriage is mutual respect, understanding, both sides ready for compromises, cooperation and sharing responsibilities. Otherwise everyone included suffer terribly. Love is a

nice

asset, but it will not make it work if any single one of those above terms is not included. It will not plant roots and grow. It is hard enough to find a person who is ready to

cooperate with another to such extent. Deep down inside, all human beings are very

selfish. Institution of Marriage? Disappointments? Well, disappointments come after failed expectations. It depends on what one is expecting of marriage... See my point?I am not from India, so the first time I became familiar with Vedic viewpoints on marriage was only few years ago. I told you that as a human being I don't believe in Institution of Marriage: Well, why would I wish to push myself and accept so many responsibilities? Why would I ever wish to let anyone disturbing my privacy, habits and occupying half of my bed (while snoring, probably ? Two reasons:1. Children2. Children#1 Children is purely from human being level. I do wish to accomplish my self as a mother. #2 Children is from viewpoint of Dharma. As you are born in India, I am expecting that you do know that Dharma of every mortal human is continuing linage. This linage can be spiritual, within parampara, if one decides to renounce material aspects

of life. In this option one is adopting "spiritual children" or shishyas (students). Second option is to continue family linage and have biological or adopted children. We are here for the sake of creation and we are obligated to create our own children in order to pay our debts to our Pitris (ancestors). Are you familiar with these principles? If you are, in that case you do understand that you did not marry for your own benefit or pleasure (if this becomes part of your marriage, great!). You married for having children and share responsibilities with your wife in order to up bring them in to greatest possible human beings. Life really makes no sense without children. If you don't believe me, just search for married people who never decided to raise a child (even though they could) and observe their lives. From this viewpoint Institution of Marriage is sacred. One may believe in it or not, but it is sacred because it provides us fulfilling

significant portion of our Dharma. (As far as I am concerned, this paragraph is 80% of my motivation to enter marriage some day. God, I really hope I will have XXXL bed and enough wax for my ears to survive that. :)For good and bad marriage it takes two and it is always easier to blame the other side when something goes wrong. All human beings

find hard to face own failure and responsibility. .. Think about your actions and actions of your wife again, please. She learned to avoid mentioning something that might make you loose your temper. Good. Now is the best time to teach her how to make you talk, smile, feel that you belong there with her, make you happy... She needs you to show her how. You are where you are and there is no turning back. Divorce is always an option, but don't leave before you are sure you tried EVERYTHING to make it work. Replacing her with another woman maybe would be as good enough as changing a package to the same problem, so you need to try to pull the best out of current situation. You both need to become team players. I can try to help a little, rest is really on you.As mentioned earlier, Sukra in your chart is afflicted (under curse), but main problem in your chart is Kala Sarpa Yoga (KSY-all Grahas distributed

zodiacally from Rashi occupied by Ketu to Rashi occpuied by Rahu). Nodes are influencing 2nd bhava from Upa Pada. After you told me about circumstances of the way you entered your marriage, I do believe that described is related to Kumbha Rashi. Co lord Rahu is in 3rd bhava with Sukra and Mangal, so you fell in love and choice of spouse was mainly your decision. You were probably head over heels in love... It must have been very intensive emotional experience considering that Rahu is with Sukra Atma Karaka. Currently Rahu antar dasha is running, making Sukra and KSY issues very much in focus.Giving remedies for KSY is easy task if there is benefic with nodes. In your case that would be neecha Sukra. As

neecha Grahas are always related with Devi forms, Kamala Mahavidya would be perfect remedy to break KSY. But... Mahavidya Sadhana is always very intensive experience, since performer gets opportunity to burn significant amount of bad Karma within 40 days (to speed up process of purification in a way). This process is very painful but worth vile, as it would probably take few years or even longer to accoplish same results with another kind of worship. Atma Karaka by it self is delivering most intensive karmic experiences (usually painful, but again-worth vile) to each and every one of us. Combination of Atma Karaka and Mahavidya Sadhana is overextended intensity for fragile human mind. One of possible "side effects" of this combination is mental instability. I do think your Dhishakti, intelligence and mind are very strong, considering all those blessings on your lagna, but you are just a man who is worried about his marriage, financial existence and

employment-meaning you are "regular civilian", making you very fragile for this type of Sadhana.Alternative for Mahavidya is Jyotirlinga mantra for Graha which is joining nodes. Shiva in form of Tryambakkeshvaya is Jyotirlinga for Sukra. This will exalt Sukra, take care of KSY, additionally purify occupants in Meena and give strength to this Rashi which is sustaining your marriage (2nd from Kumbha). You get multiple benefits from this mantra:Om Haum Om Jum Sah Bhurbhuva Svah Tryambakkam Yajamahe Sugandhim Pushtivardhanam Urvarukameva Bandhanaam Mrityormoksheeya Maamritaat Bhur Bhuva Svah Roam Jum Sah Haum OmThis is Mahamrityunjaya Mantra and you are supposed to start it on any Monday, performing it 108 times (one Mala) in the morning and 108 times at the sunset. Do it for 40 days. After that you wait next Monday to start another 40 days of Shiva worship. There is catch with Jyotirlinga. I don't advise you to start it

unless you are fully prepared to be nothing but a loving husband to your wife. You must be very careful, there are no excuses. She can behave as she likes, be unbearable, impulsive, stubborn, behaving like a spoiled breath, I am so sorry, but all you are allowed to do is to behave like you are preparing for "Husband of decade" contest. You are not allowed to hurt her, insult her even a little bit, to raise your voice at her or to make her unhappy in any way. Whenever you do anything similar you will be "reminded" not to repeat it, because things can get very difficult again. Also, Sukra is related to couples and young, unmarried ladies, so this is place No2 and No3 on your personal list of sacred and divine. Ah yes, add Institution of Marriage as No4, as this institution is also related to Sukra. You are obligated to have full respect towards everything related to Sukra, especially your wife. Neecha Sukra requires you to be humble towards your wife,

sister, ladies etc. etc. Help them when they ask you, help them and support them even when they don't ask you. From now and on, your wife is Devi personified as far as you are concerned and the ground she is walking is sacred to you. You will have to chose this attitude if you want to give some strength to Sukra in your chart and pull your self out of the problem. Believe me that you will make incomparably less damage if you decide to insult anybody else in your life before you decide to make your wife unhappy. (Don't worry, I promise I will never share this conversation with her You have to perform some good karma if you want to prevent continuation of bad karma. Your wife is not with you by coincidence. She is there to deliver some karma that must be delivered and you can try to make it easier for yourself. I repeat again what I said few emails ago: Guru will protect Meena rashi, plus Ketu is there, so you need children as soon as

possible. Your marriage has more chances to sustain with children. Come on Karka lagna, you can be great father... I am sure that children will pull the best out of you. That palmist had a point about far away country. I recommend you to move Northwest as Chandra is in digbala from Arudha Lagna. Move from Asia, far far away, as movable rashis such as Karka require distance to get activated. Your lagna and all occupants are your way out of every problem. In next Maha Dasa of Guru it would be great to perform Tara Mahavidya. If you feel ready to do it earlier, let's say around August this year, start it then. I am saying Tara because Grahas on Lagna are also qualified to break Kala Sarpa Yoga. Tara is for Guru.Hm... that would be all for now. Email is long, I know. I had to trouble you to put some effort in reading long list of remedies and advices, as 3rd bhava is place of problems. Okay, I am joking. I just think that there was

some point in doing all this, as you might have benefits from everything written above this paragraph. You are reasonable, you might listen to me and you will probably perform Jyotirlinga. Thank you very much for reading this and giving me a chance to do some good karma. As I said before, rest is really on you.Keep in touch.Warm regards,Maja Å trbac--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Vivek Bajaj <bajajvivek (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:Vivek Bajaj <bajajvivek (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>RE: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yogasohamsa@ .comTuesday, January 19, 2010, 2:08 AM

Dear Maja ji

Thanks a lot for your kind reply. Here are some major details for my life.

I was married on 12th December 2008. My Father born in 1938 is a businessman and now not doing any active work except for some investments. He is having family history of diabetes and heart problems and is himself a Heart and blood Sugar patient. My mother is a housewife and she does not have any major medical problems except for overweight. Have always belonged to a well to do family but there was not much progress in our financial status and growth has always been stagnant. I've learnt from my parents not to believe in pump and show and lead a simple life. I'm a very stubborn person and don't usually change my decisions. I love to do charity and try to donate as much as possible. I have great love for literature and poetry and love art cinema more than commercial cinema. I passed my B.Com in 3rd division even when I was not that bad a student. I've always been haunted by Math and physics and complex calculations. I did my 12 in Science. After that i

did some computer courses and worked here and there but my proper job started in Sep 2003 when I left India and came for a contract job of 2 months in Bangkok. here after 3 months i was offered a full time job and had to travel a lot in this job. I have recently been moved to plant location which has forced me to stay away from my wife as she is also working in the city. I was told this news on Dussehra day 2009. My Wife's DOB is 15th Apr 1980. Number 3, 6, 9 have mostly been lucky. most of my good friends also have these numbers as their date of birth. I have 2 brothers and 1 sister. i'm the youngest child. Both my brothers are in business. My sister is also married to a businessman. I don't remember much of my childhood but after I've grown up, I've seen mostly problems in business front in my dad's business. I can't say they were very huge but yes, if I compare to how well to do and progressing we used to be (as I was told), our growth got stagnant

and also going down.

My Marriage was a Love cum arranged Marriage. there was a lot of opposition from Girls family but later settled. The first few months of my marriage, my wife and I had lot of quarrels. We actually had very bitter fights and i had lost all interest and faith in the institution of marriage. Things are getting better, touch wood. We don't finght that much as my wife very cleverly avoids any such thing which can make me loose my temper. I won't say I'm satisfied but yes, i also feel its better to avoid any thing which can cause fights. My quality of life, I can't really say as there were both +ve and -ve changes but my career has taken a downfall and I've been landing in problems as explained earlier.

I was once told by a palmist that My future will always be bright outside of the country of my birth and that I would probably die in a country which is not my birth country.

Health wise, My wife is a bit fragile and although her health is more or less stable, she has improved over time but still she keeps getting small problems health wise.

Regarding my wife's chart, should I ask her to send an email to you if she is interested in getting the things explained in her chart?

Please let me know if any further information is required from my side.

Once again thank you so much for your kindness to help.

Kind Regards

Vivek

sohamsa@ .commajastrbacastro@ Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:09:19 -0800RE: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yoga

Om Gurave NamahDear Vivek, namasteHaving direct dialogue with you is much better option, nice that you included. First of all, no reason for panic at this stage, as we are still checking if your birth time is correct or not.Tell me when did you get married? As your Upa Pada lagna is in 2nd bhava with Surya and Sani, I guess your marriage was arranged according to tradition of your family (which is the case with majority of people of your age in your country, but I would like to check if this is true anyway). You are 31 years old at the moment, so I don't see any serious marriage delay in your case... As I understand tradition, condition number one, necessary to fulfill in order to become potential groom, is to finish education (at least) before entering marriage. This can not happen before age of 23-24 (if we are talking about higher education). As Sani is on Upa Pada lagna, here we should focus on

7th there from (Kumbha) in order to find more details about relation between you and your wife. It is nice to see that her Rashi Lagna fits perfectly to your Upa Pada. I think your relation will be so much stronger after birth of children, as Ketu (kula devata) is there in Mooltrikona receiving Graha drishti of Guru from lagna. No need to focus on afflicted neecha Sukra from 3rd bhava and its influence on 2nd from Kumbha, as Guru is strong enough to protect his rashi (Meena) and his beneficial influence is strong enough to sustain your marriage. This marriage should last, all you guys need is children. This is the best "remedy" to keep your marriage safe and sound. I can not give comments related to your wife's chart, as I need her blessing and permission to do such a thing. It is her privacy. Though I am allowed to cheer you up with good news: my knowledge in determining compatibility between partners is pretty much poor, but what I am

familiar with at this stage allows me to say that there is perfect compatibility in domain of Chandra (representing both of your families, social circles and mind level) between the two of you. "Third party involvement" meaning-if there were any extramarital issues with other women?Longevity issues- if Kumbha is your Navamsha lagna, this brings neecha Sukra in 8th bhava, related to sustaining of marriage and this is maraka bhava for wife also. This is neecha, vargotama Atma Karaka (under curse in Rashi chart), believe me you would feel very unhappy in your marriage if this is in 8th bhava. Further, 9th bhava is 3rd from 7th, so it is related to death of spouse in a way. Lord is neecha Budh having graha drishti on neecha Sukra in 2nd from 7th. If Sukra and Budh were not neecha (without neecha banga in Navamsha), I would not insist that this combination could ever influence wife's longevity, as there is no 7th lord involved in this

combination to satisfy snap shot combination for death of spouse. This way, I would stick to health issues and longevity decreased to some extent. Speaking of her health, I need you to tell me how is your wife doing? If she is fine and well, I suggest Makara Navamsha lagna.What is your father's occupation? If Kumbha is your Navamsha lagna, following scenario is possible: social and financial status of your family could have been very stable and good before you were born. After you were born, your family could have experienced huge problems related to status, reputation, some court cases, legal issues and similar could have cropped up. Was this the case?Also, after you got married, how would you describe quality of your life, your career and interpersonal relations with people from your surrounding? I need these answers.Keep in touch.Warm regards,Maja Å trbac--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Vivek Bajaj

<bajajvivek (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Vivek Bajaj <bajajvivek (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>RE: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yogasohamsa@ .comMonday, January 18, 2010, 1:48 AM

Dear Maja ji and Manoj ji Thanks a lot for taking out time to look at the chart. Maja ji, can you please help with the charts of me and my wife as if its really a Kumbha Lagna in Navmasa then I guess I'd be needing the help and blessings of Gurujans and learned members. My marriage was delayed. I'm sorry but I could not fully understand the third party involvement and longvity things. Frankly I'm getting scared a bit. Please guide me. I would also like to request Gurujans and Other leaned members if they can help with their analysis. Thanks and RegardsVivek

sohamsa@ .commanojsharma662000@ Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:50:26 -0800Re: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yoga

point well taken...I am a day dreamer and dreams just add more illusion (maya) around you...but that is my karma and I have to face (actually I am already facing) the consequences

Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >sohamsa@ .comSun, January 17, 2010 3:41:43 AMRe: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yoga

Om Gurave NamahDear Manoj, namasteThis is not matter of knowledge level, it is matter of approaching facts. Only facts make sense to me.Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ > wrote:

Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ >Re: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yogasohamsa@ .comSaturday, January 16, 2010, 6:15 PM

Hi Maja,

Thanks for your response. I will not pretend to know more than you in astrology even for a wee bit. I was just saying that sometime the truth is not every apparent, and at abstract level sometime what is apparent is not necessarily true. I was just trying to make this point. However, again not sure whether it makes sense to you.

Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >sohamsa@ .comSat, January 16, 2010 4:25:13 PMRe: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yoga

Om Gurave NamahDear Manoj,)))))))))) ))))))))) )) Thank you for making me laugh with this lovely explanation. I do believe Vivek knows his wife very well. They are living together after all.Does this mean that Jyotishi is allowed to say: "You had a very good period to become millionaire a year ago, but sadly, you did not use it, so nothing manifested." in order to justify our errors in interpretation or rectification?Vivek's navamsha lagna shifts to Makara lagna within less than one minute earlier. In case of Kumbha navamsha lagna, Sukra would be 9th lord in 8th and Sukra is neecha, so I do believe that this would delay his marriage (fulfiling Dharma-9th bhava). Also, neecha Sukra would be matter of sustaining his marriage. There is drishti of neecha Budh on Sukra, so I do believe that if there is no terrible suffering or involvement of third party in his marriage, or if his wife is alive and well (yoga

of 8th and 9th lord would badly afflict wife's longevity) Vivek's navamsha lagna should be Makara. This way, second bhava related to sustaining is occupied with Gu/Ke, meaning that children (own or adopted) and continuing linage is something that is keeping this marriage strong.When there is parampara yoga in 7th in Navamsha, it is not matter of inner quality or inner attitude of spouse. It is reality and spouse should actually belong to/be born in some Parampara if Yoga is strong (Guru is in Surya's rashi here, so...).Warm regards,Maja Strbac--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ > wrote:

Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ >Re: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yogasohamsa@ .comSaturday, January 16, 2010, 10:32 AM

That my be because of her Arudha lagna; what manifests is not always true...just tear the facade of this maya and try to understand the soul of your wife...may be you will realize, she is indeed very spritual if not religious... .

Respectfully

ms

Vivek Bajaj <bajajvivek (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>sohamsa@ .comFri, January 15, 2010 5:50:11 AMRE: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yoga Dear Guru jis/Learned Members Just noticed that Jupiter + Ketu is in my D9 too in 7th house. I don't think my wife is very spiritual. She is more fun loving and out going than me. Chart attached. I guess we need some more expert advise. Warm RegardsVivek

sohamsa@ .combondmerama (AT) (DOT) inFri, 15 Jan 2010 10:39:13 +0000 Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yoga

Dear All,Does this yoga always known as Ganapati Yoga,Here Jupiter is fallen.Best Regardssohamsa@ .com, LearneR Vedic AstroG <hygreeva_ram@ ...> wrote:>> || Hare Rama KrishnaÃ‚ ||> Ã‚ > Namaskar,Ã‚ > It indiacte you get spirtual wifeÃ‚ , may beÃ‚ marriage purpose is to beget children.> Ã‚ > Ã‚ > Ã‚ > Regards,> Hygreeva.> > > --- On Thu, 14/1/10, AS <bondmerama@ ...> wrote:> > > AS <bondmerama@ ...>> Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:shri Rafal Ji please tell......> sohamsa@ .com> Thursday, 14 January, 2010, 8:20 AM> > > Ã‚ > > > > Respected Sirs>

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January 24, 2010

Om Gurave NamahDear Deepen, namasteEvery marriage is individual case.Every attitude towards marriage is individual case, so I fully respect your attitude. It is your choice.I am surrounded with many people who are living for weekends and evenings to spend them with their spouse (and children, if they have them). Don't forget I mentioned I am living in a country where choice of marriage depends on emotions. This means that they actually found someone who fulfills them.I am also surrounded with people who can't wait for Monday morning to escape home. I am also surrounded with many divorced women who are having zero support from their ex husband in upbringing children. Reason why they divorced was having zero support even while being married.But I can't take them in consideration, or my

individual experience (I used to live with someone. Guess what, I didn't need wax for my ears as he was not snoring because my individual experience depends on my karma, and people from my surrounding depend on 4th and 11th bhava, Chandra and Arudha Lagna in my chart. That is statistically unacceptable as population sample for any conclusions.For years I was employed on position where I was exposed to "exotics" of martial problems which is beyond your wildest imagination. I must add that basic description of my job was not specifically "Contact with people suffering marital problems" or "Contact with people suffering any sort of problems", yet I was listening and I was expected to help. At one point I was convinced I will go mad of all what I've heard. Approximately 20 people per day multiplied with 6 days per week multiplied with 3 years. Subtract 30 days of vacation during this period, and you will get around 18 000 people. Quite nice

population sample, don't you think? :)Bottom line, don't trust me. Search for studies and statistics available online and see for your self what is going on nowadays with Institution of Marriage.Every native is individual case and I always chose individual approach when analyzing chart and giving advice. I have very good reason why I chose to write everything I wrote to Vivek. I know why I did that and I take responsibility for every word. Warm regards,Maja Å trbac--- On Sat, 1/23/10, deepen thakkar <justcoolout wrote:deepen thakkar <justcooloutRE: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati

yogasohamsa Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 8:29 PM

Dear Maja mam,Wonderful write up ,yea it was a bit pain staking for its length but still worth vile . :)I also second you when you say that most of the marriages get tiring after some time ,very few fortunate ones find an ideal partner ,receptive and reciprocative in all senses .I also see people in relationships or newly weds around me and feel ki is love/marriage worth that sacrifice ,for you its wax in the ears ,for me it can be long incessant bills , but still when i see a wonderful child with them i feel ki marriage is a bliss ,children are the only factor that make you feel that the married cpl are in complete

harmony...with regardsdeep--- On Sun, 24/1/10, Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ > wrote:Maja Å trbac <majastrbacastro@ >RE: Re: Jup+Ketu in D-9 seventh house:Ganapati yogasohamsa@ .comSunday, 24 January, 2010, 4:23 AM