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Dear Ajitkumar,

Your questions are very relevant in the parlance of Astrology .

I will try to deal with these question to best of my understanding:

 

 

1. Aynamsha

2. True Rahu or mean Rahu

3. geo- centric or topo-centric

4. true position or apparent position

5 Equal house and Sripati house system

 

Q1 . Aynamsha

Unfortunately , this is not being tackled in rational and

scientific manner most of the time.

Aynamsha is a angular distance between two point along ecliptic.

(a) VE Point (which is called as First point of Aries). In spite many claims

it is quite intriguing that this point was named after a conslellation in

sky,

which is fixed in zodiac , where as this point is continuously moving back

wards

with a mean motion of 50.3 sec. per year (according to modern astronomical

calculations).

This point could now be located with considerable precision on the ecliptic

with the claim

that the difference will not be more than 0.04 sec. from Catalogue FK6 and

observed values.

 

(b) Zodiac signs were came in popular use some where around 2500 BC in INDIA

after the era

of Mahabharata war.iN ancient India since pre- Vadic days , the sages

were familiar with

Nakshatra. Obviously , when Zodiac signs were came in popular use

..they fixed the initial point

of sidereal sign Aries from the binging of Nakshatra Asvini You will

observe , which ever

Aynamsha value one may adopt , the sign Aries is the first sign which

starts somewhere near

the commencing point of Nakshatra Asvini.Incidentally , there is no

prominent star near this point.

As such majority view as well as Tatrtia Samhita supports that Star

Chitra (Cat . log

No.498-Spica 16 ) should be taken as reference point and initial point of

sidereal Zodiac will

fall 180 deg, ie opposite to this star CITRA.

The angular distance between these above two points is called Aynamsha . We

must define ,

I repeat define our initial point of sidereal Zodiac , and then modern

Astronomy is now well equipped

to locate and precisely indicate the location of this point.

If you scan page 72 of Lahiris Indian Ephemeris 2010 , the sidereal

longitude of star Citra is

given as 179 deg 58min 12 sec. As such Lahiri Ayanamsha value may be

increased by

1 min 48 sec to make it Chitrapakchhiya Ayanamhsa.

Some savants may suggest another star as reference , but any Ayanamhsa

value should be accepted if it had some specific reference to the

star,otherwise it is not worth considering.One

can not arrive at Ayanamsha value by any calculation or formula but only by

defining these two

points and then locating them on the ECLIPTIC OF THE DAY.

YOU may read pages 5 to 7 and 72 and Glossary given from page 171 of Lahiti's

Ephemeris of 2010 for better and clear understanding.

One may go on discussing and create controversies and also quote many

scriptures and references ,

but will be absolutely of no avail till these savants will arrive at precise

definition of these

two points.

 

I shall take up other points in my next mail.

REGARDS,

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

 

 

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Gopal Krishna Goel <gkgoel1937

Sat, 23 January, 2010 4:14:22 PM

Re: Gopal Krishna wants to add you as a friend

 

 

Dear Shri Goelji,

 

Thank you for your invitation . I do not want to join another group , as there

is not enough time. . But we can communicate directly. I have downloaded your

articles from the internet with thanks. Learning astrology is not easy, because

there are quite a DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS as follows:

 

1. Aynamsha

2. True Rahu or mean Rahu

3. geo- centric or topo-centric

4. true position or apparent position

5 Equal house and Sripati house system

Then there is K P System, System by V K Choudhury, Nadi System with Vakya

Panchanga and so on. I have met leading astrologers claiming sucess of the

method they have adopted. I was surprised to know that a Swedish astrologer and

professor , who wrote his PH D thesis on Nadi Astrology, uses K P Ayanamsha.

I guess from your emailid and your Photo that you were born in 1937. I know a

few people of 1937. If you could let me have your birth details, I will be

thankful.

 

More in the next.

 

With best wishes

 

AKB

 

 

________________________________

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Dear Ajitkumar,Your questions are very relevant in the parlance of Astrology . I will try to deal with these question to best of my understanding: 1. Aynamsha2. True Rahu or mean Rahu3. geo- centric or topo-centric4. true position or apparent position5 Equal house and Sripati house systemQ1 . Aynamsha Unfortunately , this is not being tackled in rational and scientific manner most of the time. Aynamsha is a angular distance between two point along ecliptic. (a) VE Point (which is called as First point of Aries). In spite many claims it is quite intriguing that this point was named after a conslellation in sky, which is fixed in zodiac , where as this point is

continuously moving back wards with a mean motion of 50.3 sec. per year (according to modern astronomical calculations). This point could now be located with considerable precision on the ecliptic with the claim that the difference will not be more than 0.04 sec. from Catalogue FK6 and observed values. (b) Zodiac signs were came in popular use some where around 2500 BC in INDIA after the era of Mahabharata war.iN ancient India since pre- Vadic days , the sages were familiar with Nakshatra. Obviously , when Zodiac signs were came in popular use .they fixed the initial point of sidereal sign Aries from the binging of Nakshatra Asvini You will observe , which ever Aynamsha

value one may adopt , the sign Aries is the first sign which starts somewhere near the commencing point of Nakshatra Asvini.Incidentally , there is no prominent star near this point. As such majority view as well as Tatrtia Samhita supports that Star Chitra (Cat . log No.498-Spica 16 ) should be taken as reference point and initial point of sidereal Zodiac will fall 180 deg, ie opposite to this star CITRA. The angular distance between these above two points is called Aynamsha . We must define , I repeat define our initial point of sidereal Zodiac , and then modern Astronomy is now well equipped to locate and precisely indicate the location of this point. If you scan page 72 of Lahiris Indian Ephemeris 2010 , the sidereal longitude

of star Citra is given as 179 deg 58min 12 sec. As such Lahiri Ayanamsha value may be increased by 1 min 48 sec to make it Chitrapakchhiya Ayanamhsa. Some savants may suggest another star as reference , but any Ayanamhsa value should be accepted if it had some specific reference to the star,otherwise it is not worth considering.One can not arrive at Ayanamsha value by any calculation or formula but only by defining these two points and then locating them on the ECLIPTIC OF THE DAY.YOU may read pages 5 to 7 and 72 and Glossary given from page 171 of Lahiti's Ephemeris of 2010 for better and clear understanding. One may go on discussing and create controversies and also quote many scriptures and references , but will be absolutely of no avail till these savants will

arrive at precise definition of these two points.I shall take up other points in my next mail.REGARDS,G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAAjitkumar Benadi <ajitbenadiGopal Krishna Goel <gkgoel1937Sat, 23 January, 2010 4:14:22 PMRe: Gopal Krishna wants to add you as a friend :)Dear Shri Goelji,Thank you for your invitation . I do not want to join another group , as there is not enough time. . But we can communicate directly. I have downloaded your articles from the internet with thanks. Learning astrology is not easy, because there are quite a DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS as follows:1. Aynamsha2. True Rahu or mean Rahu3. geo- centric or topo-centric4. true position or apparent position5 Equal house and Sripati house systemThen there is K P System, System by V K Choudhury, Nadi System with Vakya Panchanga and so on. I have met leading astrologers claiming sucess of the method they have adopted. I was surprised to know that a Swedish

astrologer and professor , who wrote his PH D thesis on Nadi Astrology, uses K P Ayanamsha.I guess from your emailid and your Photo that you were born in 1937. I know a few people of 1937. If you could let me have your birth details, I will be thankful. More in the next.With best wishesAKBGopal Krishna Goel <gkgoel1937ajitbenadiSent: Fri, January 22, 2010 4:32:02 PMGopal Krishna wants to add you as a friend We share the group. I want to add you as a friend in Grouply so you can see my profile with my pictures, my

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Dear Ajitkumar,

Your questions are very relevant in the parlance of Astrology .

I will try to deal with these questions to best of my understanding:

 

1. Aynamsha

2. True Rahu or mean Rahu

3. Geo- centric o topo-centric

4. True position or apparent position

5 Equal house and Sripati house system

 

Q1 . Aynamsha

Unfortunately, this is not being tackled in rational and

scientific manner most of the time.

Aynamsha is a angular distance between two point along ecliptic.

(a) VE Point (which is called as First point of Aries). In spite many claims

it is quite intriguing that this point was named after a constellation in

sky,

which is fixed in zodiac , where as this point is continuously moving back

wards

with a mean motion of 50.3 sec. per year (according to modern astronomical

calculations).

This point could now be located with considerable precision on the ecliptic

with the claim

that the difference will not be more than 0.04 sec. from Catalog FK6 and

observed values.

 

(b) Zodiac signs were came in popular use some where around 2500 BC in INDIA

after the era

of Mahabharata war.IN ancient India since pre- Vadic days , the sages

were familiar with

Nakshatra. Obviously , when Zodiac signs were came in popular use

..they fixed the initial point of sidereal sign Aries from the binging of

NakshatraAsvini .You will observe , which ever

Aynamsha value one may adopt , the sign Aries is the first sign which

starts somewhere near

the commencing point of NakshatraAsvini.Incidentally , there is no

prominent star near this point.

As such majority view as well as Taittriya Samhita (7.4.8) supports

that Star Chitra (Cat . log

No.498-Spica 16 ) should be taken as reference point and initial point of

sidereal Zodiac will

fall 180 deg, ie opposite to this star CITRA.

The angular distance between these above two points is called Aynamsha . We

must define,

I repeat define our initial point of sidereal Zodiac , and then modern

Astronomy is now well equipped to locate and precisely indicate the location of

this point.

If you scan page 72 of Lahiris Indian Ephemeris 2010 , the sidereal

longitude of star Citra is given as 179 deg 58min 12 sec. As such

LahiriAyanamsha value may be increased by

1 min 48 sec to make it ChitrapakchhiyaAyanamhsa.

Some savants may suggest another star as reference , but any Ayanamhsa

value should be accepted if it had some specific reference to the star,otherwise

it is not worth considering.One can not arrive at Ayanamsha value by any

calculation or formula but only by defining these two points and then locating

them on the ECLIPTIC OF THE DAY.

YOU may read pages 5 to 7 and 72 and Glossary given from page 171 of Lahiti's

Ephemeris of 2010 for better and clear understanding.

One may go on discussing and create controversies and also quote many

scriptures and references, but will be absolutely of no avail till these

savants will arrive at precise definition of these two points.

 

 

2. True Rahu or mean Rahu

As in the case of the Sun, the Moon and other planets, the lunar node

(Rahu) have also got the mean as well as true positions. Mean Rahu

is also needed to calculated mean position of other planets. These mean

positions

of planets are converted into true positions after apply some constants . In

ancient

days , it was not possible to calculate true position of Rahu . As such , it was

accepted practice since ancient days to use mean values of both nodes (Rahu and

Ketu).In view of the fact that we are concerned only with the True (or Apparent)

positions in case of planets , and further more it is now possible to calculate

the true Rahu with considerable accuracy, there seems to be no point in

continuing with the practice of adopting mean Rahu .However, it is human nature

to resist changes, sometimes in the name of Parampara.

The maximum difference in mean and true positions of Nodes can be 1 deg. 45 min.

I am of the opinion that we now swith over to use True positions of nodes as in

the case of other Planets.

Most of the ephemeris are now giving both True and Mean positions of Rahu , it

is up to savants to use appropriate position according to their own belief and

understanding.

 

3. Geo- centric or Topo-centric

It now has become universal practice with Ephemeris and panchangas all over

the world to give apparent geocentric ( in India sidereal- nirayana) longitudes

of

all Planets .These are positions of planets as seen from the center of the

earth and

are same for any location on the globe.

The Topocentric positions i.e. the positions as seen by an observer at any

specified point on the Earth’s surface and slightly differ , on of parallax

effect , from the geocentric positions , maximum difference , being 9 arc

seconds for Sun ,62 sec.for Moon and 1 arc sec. for other planets.

 

If topocentric positions are required,these are to be calculated for each and

every point on the Earth separately.Now universal Ephemeris are mostly used. The

topocentric positions are now

generally not in use.

As there can be a difference of up-to one minute in the longitude of moon ,

This can make a difference in dasa periods based on the position of Moon

as well as in predictions based on Prasana, only in some cases.

 

4. True position or Apparent position

The difference in two terms is on account of their definition.

The observer is not able to see the true positions of celestial bodies

in the sky due to atmospheric aberration. These bodies looked slightly

displaced due to aberration and thus called apparent positions.

The apparent geocentric longitude of planets and stars are referred

to the true equinox and ecliptic of date and are corrected for planetary

aberration.

These are measured along the ecliptic from vernal equinoctial point viz point of

intersection of the equator and ecliptic of date.

Catalog provide mean true positions of stars and planets. These are reduced to

apperenttopocentric positions for Nautical purposes. The apparent geocentric

positions are calculated after correction for aberration for astrological

purposes.

 

Probably your question arises as their several options are given in computer

software’s. If you are using any Ephemeris computed on the basis of modern

Astronomy say Lahiri’s ephemeris in India, you may safely use the positions

given their in without any further correction (accept for ayanamsha correction

of your choice).

 

 

5 Equal house and Sripati house system

 

 

The house division is a vexed problem and no one solution

Can be made applicable for different and variety of methods,

Which are in use for predictive purposes by astrological savants.

Ascendant (Lagna)-The Ascendant is the point of intersection of the ecliptic at

the given time with the eastern horizon of the place. In astrology, it is the

most effective point of the first hours of the nativity .It is the pivotal point

of the nativity.

Medium Coeli – (M.C.)– It is the point of intersection of the ecliptic of

the given time with the meridian of the place and is also called, in short, as

Meridian.

Due to Obliquity of eclipse, the angular arc between ascending and meridian

Points along the ecliptic is variable and most of the time it is either less or

more than

90 degrees. This difference will go on increasing on higher latitudes.

In case, these two points are projected on equatorial plane, their angular arc

will

not change and remain 90 deg. This is the fact that an observing point is

located on earth and thus bhava are, more logically, formed along the equator

..Similarly the position of celestial bodies are projected and measured along the

ecliptic. Zodiac

Signs are measured and considered to be located along the ecliptic.

With a view to establish the co-relation in Bhava (houses) and signs, one of

them are to be projected either on equatorial or ecliptic plane. On account of

obliquity

Between these plane, either houses, if projected on ecliptic plane, or signs if

Projected on equatorial are get distorted. Another way is to find out the

solution

so that these are not projected either way to avoid distortion. All methods of

house

division are devised to find solution of this problem in a way to suit various

system of prediction.

I advocate following three methods:

a. compartmental method with DEEPTANSA of 15 degree on either side

This method is adopted by ancient sages and it most suitable for Nadi , Parasari

and Jaimini methods of predictions. I try to explain this method with the help

of

BPHS. Mr. N.C. Lahiri , in his famous book ‘Tables Of Ascendants’ on page 86

also

Supported this method of house division.

The predictive astrology is based on three main pillars, namely,

1. Planets

2. Signs

3. Houses

Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained the concept of houses to his disciple

Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS:

“Those, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas) that move through the

Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac (Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of

27 asterisms from Aswin to Revati and also devided in 12 equal parts known as

signs (Rashis) from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising

(ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagna (ascendant)â€. Based on

the ascendant and the planets joining and separating from each other, the

native’s good and bad fortune is deductedâ€.

Parasara has given the concept of Bhavas (houses) along with 12 signs in the

above narration. This is called the compartmental system of houses. In this,

system thewhole sign in which the degree of ascendant falls is considered the

first house and subsequent sign as 2nd house and so on. The longitude of the

ascending point becomes the most sensitive points of the ascendant i.e.1st

house, and the sensitive points of other house will be 30°apart. The sensitive

point of 10th house will fall in 10th sign from ascending sign and will have the

same longitude as that of the ascending point in Lagna.In this system M.C. is

not considered as the Mid-point or cusp of 10th house. M.C. is however given

prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other important purposes.

The above mentioned Hindu (Vedic) Method, advocated by Sage

Parasara, seems to be more rational and worthy of being followed in all

astrological calculations particularly in the casting of a nativity. This method

has universal applicability. In this system either the longitudinal duration or

mid-point / cuspal degree of houses does not get distorted at higher latitudes.

Parasara continued to narrate the description of the planets, signs, various

Kinds of ascendants, up-Grahas and importance of Deeptamsa of 15°on either side

of sensitive-point of ascendant and other houses etc. (Deeptamsa means an

effective Zone of 15°on either side of the sensitive-point of ascendant ,or

sensitive points of other houses).

In this method, signs and houses are inseparable, thus single planet assume the

lordship

Of one complete house

The planet which is even within 15 degrees from the sensitive point but in next

sign will be considered in next house on account of its placement in another

sign in this method.

b. Equal house Division

Basically this method is almost same as the compartmental method, but following

Points may be kept in view:

1) The midpoint of all the 12 houses will be same as in first case.

2) The houses will extend !5 degrees on either side of the mid- point.

3) Suppose 27 degrees of Virgo is is rising in , and Saturn is placed

In 3 degrees Libra, though it will be considered in 1st house but

will remain in Sign Libra.

4) Shripat Method – In this method , Mid-points of 1st house will be

Ascending point and M.C. will be considered as mid point of 10th

house . The difference of M.C. and ascending point is divided in

Equal 6 parts to find out mid-points and caspal degrees of other

houses. In this method though ascending and M.C. are calculated

according to spherical trigonometry , where as other houses are calculated

by simple arithmetic. This method may be useful at lower longitudes and lot

of distortion is introduced at higher latitudes. As calculations are no

problem in the age of computers , this method is not in use these days.

5) Placidus’s or Semi-Arc System –Brief details may be studied from

‘Tables of Ascendants’

By Lahiri , on page 88. As I understand, this system is also adopted in

KP-SYSTEM.

 

I feel method at sl no. one is useful when we are using Varga charts and method

as given at sl. No five is use full when we make prediction based on

Bhavachalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

 

 

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Gopal Krishna Goel <gkgoel1937

Sat, 23 January, 2010 4:14:22 PM

Re: Gopal Krishna wants to add you as a friend

 

 

Dear ShriGoelji,

 

Thank you for your invitation . I do not want to join another group , as there

is not enough time. . But we can communicate directly. I have downloaded your

articles from the internet with thanks. Learning astrology is not easy, because

there are quite a DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS as follows:

 

1. Aynamsha

2. True Rahu or mean Rahu

3. geo- centric or topo-centric

4. true position or apparent position

5 Equal house and Sripati house system

Then there is K P System, System by V K Choudhury, Nadi System with

VakyaPanchanga and so on. I have met leading astrologers claiming sucess of the

method they have adopted. I was surprised to know that a Swedish astrologer

and professor , who wrote his PH D thesis on Nadi Astrology, uses K P Ayanamsha.

I guess from your emailid and your Photo that you were born in 1937. I know a

few people of 1937. If you could let me have your birth details, I will be

thankful.

 

More in the next.

 

With best wishes

 

AKB

 

 

________________________________

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Fri, January 22, 2010 4:32:02 PM

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Dear Ajitkumar, Your questions are very relevant in the parlance of Astrology . I will try to deal with these questions to best of my understanding: 1. Aynamsha 2. True Rahu or mean Rahu 3. Geo- centric o topo-centric 4. True position or apparent position 5 Equal house and Sripati house system

Q1 . Aynamsha Unfortunately, this is not being tackled in rational and scientific manner most of the time. Aynamsha is a angular distance between two point along ecliptic. (a) VE Point (which is called as First point of Aries). In spite many claims it is quite intriguing that this point was named after a constellation in sky, which is fixed in zodiac , where as this point is continuously moving back wards with a mean motion of 50.3 sec. per year (according to modern astronomical calculations). This point could now be located with considerable precision on the ecliptic with the claim that the difference will not be more than 0.04 sec. from Catalog FK6 and observed values. (b) Zodiac signs were came in popular use some where around 2500 BC in INDIA after the era of Mahabharata war.IN ancient India since pre- Vadic days , the sages were familiar with Nakshatra. Obviously , when Zodiac signs were came in popular use .they fixed the initial point of sidereal sign Aries from the binging of Nakshatra Asvini .You will observe , which ever Aynamsha value one may adopt , the sign Aries is the first sign which starts somewhere near the commencing point of Nakshatra Asvini.Incidentally ,

there is no prominent star near this point. As such majority view as well as Taittriya Samhita (7.4.8) supports that Star Chitra (Cat . log No.498-Spica 16 ) should be taken as reference point and initial point of sidereal Zodiac will fall 180 deg, ie opposite to this star CITRA. The angular distance between these above two points is called Aynamsha . We must define, I repeat define our initial point of sidereal Zodiac , and then modern Astronomy is now well equipped to locate and precisely indicate the location of this point. If you scan page 72 of Lahiris Indian Ephemeris 2010 , the sidereal longitude of star Citra is given as 179 deg 58min 12 sec. As such Lahiri Ayanamsha value may be increased by 1 min 48 sec to make it

Chitrapakchhiya Ayanamhsa. Some savants may suggest another star as reference , but any Ayanamhsa value should be accepted if it had some specific reference to the star,otherwise it is not worth considering.One can not arrive at Ayanamsha value by any calculation or formula but only by defining these two points and then locating them on the ECLIPTIC OF THE DAY. YOU may read pages 5 to 7 and 72 and Glossary given from page 171 of Lahiti's Ephemeris of 2010 for better and clear understanding. One may go on discussing and create controversies and also quote many scriptures and references, but will be absolutely of no avail till these savants will arrive at precise definition of these two points.

2. True Rahu or mean Rahu As in the case of the Sun, the Moon and other planets, the lunar node (Rahu) have also got the mean as well as true positions. Mean Rahu is also needed to calculated mean position of other planets. These mean positions of planets are converted into true positions after apply some constants . In ancient days , it was not

possible to calculate true position of Rahu . As such , it was accepted practice since ancient days to use mean values of both nodes (Rahu and Ketu).In view of the fact that we are concerned only with the True (or Apparent) positions in case of planets , and further more it is now possible to calculate the true Rahu with considerable accuracy, there seems to be no point in continuing with the practice of adopting mean Rahu .However, it is human nature to resist changes, sometimes in the name of Parampara. The maximum difference in mean and true positions of Nodes can be 1 deg. 45 min. I am of the opinion that we now swith over to use True positions of nodes as in the case of other

Planets. Most of the ephemeris are now giving both True and Mean positions of Rahu , it is up to savants to use appropriate position according to their own belief and understanding. 3. Geo- centric or Topo-centric It now has become universal practice with Ephemeris and panchangas all over the world to give apparent geocentric ( in India sidereal- nirayana) longitudes of all Planets .These are positions of planets as seen from the center of the earth and are same for any location on the globe. The Topocentric positions i.e. the positions as seen by an observer at any specified point on the Earth’s surface and slightly differ , on of parallax effect , from the geocentric positions , maximum difference , being 9 arc seconds for Sun ,62 sec.for Moon and 1 arc sec. for other planets. If topocentric positions are required,these are to be calculated for each and every point on the Earth separately.Now universal Ephemeris are mostly used. The topocentric positions are now generally not in use. As there can be a difference of up-to one minute in the longitude of moon , This can make a difference in dasa periods based on the position of Moon as well as in predictions based on Prasana, only in some cases. 4. True position or Apparent position The difference in two terms is on account of their definition. The observer is not able to see the true positions of celestial bodies in the sky due to atmospheric aberration. These bodies looked slightly displaced due to aberration and thus called apparent positions. The apparent geocentric longitude of planets and stars are referred to the true equinox and ecliptic of date and are corrected for planetary aberration. These are measured along the ecliptic from vernal equinoctial point viz point of intersection of the equator and ecliptic of date. Catalog provide mean true positions of stars and planets. These are reduced

to apperent topocentric positions for Nautical purposes. The apparent geocentric positions are calculated after correction for aberration for astrological purposes. Probably your question arises as their several options are given in computer software’s. If you are using any Ephemeris computed on the basis of modern Astronomy say Lahiri’s ephemeris in India, you may safely use the positions given their in without any further correction (accept for ayanamsha correction of your

choice). 5 Equal house and Sripati house system The house division is a vexed problem and no one solution Can be made applicable for different and variety of methods, Which are in use for predictive purposes by astrological savants. Ascendant (Lagna)-The Ascendant is the point of intersection of the ecliptic at the given time with the eastern horizon of the place. In astrology, it is the most effective point of the first hours of the nativity .It is the pivotal point of the nativity. Medium Coeli – (M.C.) – It is the point of intersection of the ecliptic of the given time with the meridian of the place and is also called, in short, as Meridian. Due to Obliquity of eclipse, the angular arc between

ascending and meridian Points along the ecliptic is variable and most of the time it is either less or more than 90 degrees. This difference will go on increasing on higher latitudes. In case, these two points are projected on equatorial plane, their angular arc will not change and remain 90 deg. This is the fact that an observing point is located on earth and thus bhava are, more logically, formed along the equator .Similarly the position of celestial bodies are projected and measured along the ecliptic. Zodiac Signs are measured and considered to be located along the ecliptic. With a view to establish the co-relation in Bhava (houses) and signs, one of them are to be projected either on equatorial or ecliptic plane. On account of obliquity Between these plane, either houses, if projected on ecliptic plane, or signs if Projected on equatorial are get distorted. Another way is to find out the solution so that these are not projected either way to avoid distortion. All methods of house division are devised to find solution of this problem in a way to suit various system of prediction. I advocate following three methods: a. compartmental method with DEEPTANSA of 15 degree on either side This method is adopted by ancient sages and it most suitable for Nadi , Parasari and Jaimini methods of predictions. I try to explain this method with the help of BPHS. Mr.

N.C. Lahiri , in his famous book ‘Tables Of Ascendants’ on page 86 also Supported this method of house division. The predictive astrology is based on three main pillars, namely, 1. Planets 2. Signs 3. Houses Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained the concept of houses to his disciple Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS: “Those, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas) that move through the Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac (Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of 27 asterisms from Aswin to Revati and also devided in 12 equal parts known as signs (Rashis) from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising (ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagna (ascendant)â€. Based on the ascendant and the planets joining and separating from each other, the native’s good and bad fortune is deductedâ€. Parasara has given the concept of Bhavas (houses) along with 12 signs in the above narration. This is called the compartmental system of houses. In this, system the whole sign in which the degree of ascendant falls is considered the first house and subsequent sign as 2nd house and so on. The longitude of the ascending point becomes the most sensitive points of the ascendant i.e.1st house, and the sensitive points of other house will be 30° apart. The sensitive point of 10th house will fall in 10th sign from ascending sign and will have the same longitude as that of the

ascending point in Lagna. In this system M.C. is not considered as the Mid-point or cusp of 10th house. M.C. is however given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other important purposes. The above mentioned Hindu (Vedic) Method, advocated by Sage Parasara, seems to be more rational and worthy of being followed in all astrological calculations particularly in the casting of a nativity. This method has universal applicability. In this system either the longitudinal duration or mid-point / cuspal degree of houses does not get distorted at higher

latitudes. Parasara continued to narrate the description of the planets, signs, various Kinds of ascendants, up-Grahas and importance of Deeptamsa of 15° on either side of sensitive-point of ascendant and other houses etc. (Deeptamsa means an effective Zone of 15° on either side of the sensitive-point of ascendant ,or sensitive points of other houses). In this method, signs and houses are inseparable, thus single planet assume the lordship Of one complete

house The planet which is even within 15 degrees from the sensitive point but in next sign will be considered in next house on account of its placement in another sign in this method. b. Equal house Division Basically this method is almost same as the compartmental method, but following Points may be kept in view: 1)

The midpoint of all the 12 houses will be same as in first case. 2) The houses will extend !5 degrees on either side of the mid- point. 3) Suppose 27 degrees of Virgo is is rising in , and Saturn is placed In 3 degrees Libra, though it will be considered in 1st house but will remain in Sign Libra. 4) Shripat Method – In this method , Mid-points of 1st house will be Ascending point and M.C. will be considered as mid point of 10th house . The difference of M.C. and ascending point is divided in Equal 6 parts to find out mid-points and caspal degrees of other houses. In this method though ascending and M.C. are calculated according to spherical trigonometry , where as other houses are calculated by simple arithmetic. This method may be useful at lower longitudes and lot of distortion is introduced at higher latitudes. As calculations are no problem in the age of computers , this method is not in use these days. 5) Placidus’s or Semi-Arc System –Brief details may be studied from ‘Tables of Ascendants’ By Lahiri , on page 88. As I understand, this system is also adopted in KP-SYSTEM. I feel method at sl no. one is useful when we are using Varga charts and method as given at sl. No five is use full when we make prediction based on Bhava chalit. G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAAjitkumar Benadi <ajitbenadiGopal Krishna Goel <gkgoel1937Sat, 23 January, 2010

4:14:22 PMRe: Gopal Krishna wants to add you as a friend :)Dear Shri Goelji,Thank you for your invitation . I do not want to join another group , as there is not enough time. . But we can communicate directly. I have downloaded your articles from the internet with thanks. Learning astrology is not easy, because there are quite a DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS as follows:1. Aynamsha2. True Rahu or mean Rahu3. geo- centric or topo-centric4. true position or apparent position5 Equal house and Sripati house systemThen there is K P System, System by V K Choudhury, Nadi System with Vakya Panchanga and so on. I have met leading astrologers claiming sucess of the method they have

adopted. I was surprised to know that a Swedish astrologer and professor , who wrote his PH D thesis on Nadi Astrology, uses K P Ayanamsha.I guess from your emailid and your Photo that you were born in 1937. I know a few people of 1937. If you could let me have your birth details, I will be thankful. More in the next.With best wishesAKBGopal Krishna Goel <gkgoel1937ajitbenadiSent: Fri, January 22, 2010 4:32:02 PMGopal Krishna wants to add you as a friend We share the group. I want to add you as a friend in

Grouply so you can see my profile with my pictures, my groups, and my favorite group messages. Here is the link: http://www.grouply.com/register?r=3437005 & vt=96702997 . Gopal Krishna ==================== Block Grouply Invites | Mark as SPAM To block all emails from Grouply, click here or send an email to blocklist with subject "-Lj0IVEcZ%2BYsWSaIdf1KPaaxTJUdksZwReJZi9iXbqedK2bTth9a9rlk%3D". Grouply, 495 Seaport Court, Suite 103, Redwood City, CA 94063

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