Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Pranams Sanjayji Here is your rebellious student, Look at his unprovoked tantrums towards elders. Look at the history and that speaks it all This shishya has to bend his back first, safe to say? there is a combination of 2 postngs that tells about his attitude Aloha moses and Hello Ramadasji here is a 300 feet message, he may be right , he may be wrong but his tantrums (oops) He wants to run a bulldozer on anybody who dissents !! For the sake of Krishna Gita Thanks Yousuf sohamsa/message/6339 Logging out (Re: Gayatri and more ) Dear Shri Narasimha Rao Your ego is talking and writing.There was no need for sarcasm towards Shri Ramadas Rao. You may have invented the " software " that doesn't give you leverage to use this kind of language with quoted marks towards an older man. There was nothing ofensive in his writing. With Best Regards Yamini sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Dear Sri Ramadas Rao, > > Thank you for your " elders' view " ! I appreciate them. > > * * * > > Dear Sanjay, > > > my objecting to that humming sound which he calls gayatri > > I have clarified many times that I do NOT call the " humming sound " Gayatri. The humming sound is the tune that captures the accents that are supposed to be used as per the standard Rigvedic intonation scheme when chanting Gayatri. It is merely a resource for helping people in pronouncing Gayatri and it itself is not Gayatri. > > Despite several clarifications, I continue to be grossly misrepresented. > > > Nobody should claim that they are right. > > I never claimed I am right or perfect. I made a sincere effort to learn and to share the sharable part of what I learnt with others. Those who find it useful can use it and others can leave it. That's all. > > > I also took objection to his advising people not to chant this loudly. > > Did I advise others? I only said *I* will not chant loud, when you asked me to do so. Others may do as they find appropriate! It's not my business. > > * * * > > Dear Probodh, > > > Why it is given in Karna(right) at the time of Upanayan? > > > > The simple reason could be that it is reffered as GuruMukha. Every > > vedic Mantra must be taken from the Mukha of Guru.The mantra should > > be taken from GuruMukha in right Karna(Ear). > > As you said above, mantropadesa in GuruMukha is very vital in tradition. And, when one gets a mantra from GuruMukha, we believe that there are some karmik implications. > > I do not want to give the mantra in " GuruMukha " to everybody. Those who got it from GuruMukha, forgot it and need help in restarting will get some indirect help from me. > > * * * > > As I see, the purpose of this thread has been served. I thank all the friends who participated in the thread and the moderators of all the who tolerated this non-Jyotish discussion. I humbly apologize to anyone that I have offended unknowingly. > > I wrote what my limited intellect could absorb from what was given to me by the Mother and my guru. > > I am logging out of this thread now. > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > sohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao@> wrote: > > > > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > > Dear Sanjay Ji, > > I was reading your mail about the Holy Gayatri Mantra and your discussion with Chi.Narasimha from many days.Here are my views or you can consider this as my elders' view.During Uapanayana,both the Vatu and his father will be covered by white cloth,the Vatu sitting on his father's lap,father will slowly chant Gayatri Mantra on his ears,so that others should not listen this Holy Initiation of Gayatri Mantra.Even I initiated Gayatri Mantra to my son in 1989 during his Upanayana.This Mantra is such a secret, sacred and Holy Mantra,that no evil person listen this Mantra.As we know that there are 24 letters in this Mantra,it contains the main 24 Devathas in these letters.This Mantra is not such other Mantras which can be chanted so loudly through loud speakers.If any other person has to chant this Holy Mantra he should get the initiation of this Holy Mantra from a Gayatri Mantra Upasaka or Sadhaka.Anyhow as per my knowledge,this Mantra can not be chanted loudly in government > > offices or any other places.This Holy Mantra's sacredness has to be protected. > > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath@> wrote: > >  | om gurave namah | > > Dear Pandit Arjun > > Now you see the difference I have with Narasimha about *right intonation* and the reasons for my objecting to that humming sound which he calls gayatri! Nobody should claim that they are right. I also took objection to his advising people not to chant this loudly. I stand by my statement that if this is played in government offices, even at low volume, just as *vahe guru* is played in the Punjab Bank HQ, corruption will come down to nil. > > The Gäyatri parivar has done a remarkable job in such a short time. I was in Orissa and even in Aska and Kodala they have done very well. The MLA Sri Kishore Chandra Singh Deo was really all praises for their good work. > > However on the issue of saying the gayatri mantra even once, I have already lodged my protest with his guru. Frankly, I think both will need to think on this or consult their seniors in their tradition (I hope someone is around). If you have to give something, give it well. Your analogy of the parrot (Matangi defined really) was excellent but then Ramanuja disobeyed his guru and gave the mantra *om namo naarayanaaya* to the world. > > Actually there is something bigger happening which none can see but it was an eye-opener for me. It is the way of Jagannath to show me that this sishya of mine does not have such a big heart as I thought he did, or perhaps Jagannath is opening his heart, slowly but surely. Prabodh's point is very right as it can only be a selfish intent that can prevent him from giving what his heart says must be given. Why has he done all this in the forst place? Because his heart says that he must give. > > Of course we should not forget that he has Sun in the 7th house (the hridaya as per Jaimini) and let us see how well he can give this that is there in his heart. Can he be another Yajyavalkya? > > " Extract from my paper for the SJC West Coast pre-conference " > > URW Palladio font 7. Püñä: He is the giver of cattle and animal wealth, pets, etc. He is the creator of the Indra-jala (Indra’s net). [Read story of Vaishampayan and Yajnavalkya †" Püñäditya was his Guru in the form of a horse and taught him the Yajur-veda mantras, at midday] > > mantra om ghåëi püñaëe namaù or om hiraëyagarbhäya namaù or om hiraëyaretase namaù > > 7th House: Reta/Libra; > > Offer: Ghee + sweet rice > > Thank you for sharing your thoughts. > > Best wishes and warm regards, > > Sanjay Rath > --------------------- vedic astrology/message/7886 Reply Message #7886 of 119126 < Prev | Next > Re: Satyam and Sivam Aloha Moses, My time is better spent on those list members who have sincere questions. Considering the unreasonable nature of your criticism, I will ignore you from now on. Before I do that, I will try to briefly address your points for one last time. This will be my last reply to you on my article on twins. I am a student of Jyotish, which is an ocean of knowledge. One may indeed find some contradictions in my writings, partly because of my incomplete knowledge and partly because of the time constraint I face when writing. However, YOU have chosen a very wrong example. I will answer your points shortly. You could've just asked me " why did you consider so and so point and why did you leave so and so point " instead of terming these as " contradictions " and using words like " dishonest " and " deceptive " about me. > But any cautious observer > will notice that you only argue the half of the story that supports your > claim and completely ignore all of the points that would not support your > claim. I came away from this article feeling like you were very deceptive and > biased in presenting this information. One certainly cannot expect me to state each and every point in that very brief article. The article you read was meant to show the fine parameters/degrees of freedom present in Vedic astrology as opposed to some other systems. You came up with YOUR OWN set of rigid rules and tried to find " contradictions " in my article - basically you pointed out the points that I did not make. In a brief article, I have the right of making only the salient points. You are painting secondary/tertiary points as primary ones (using your own judgment) and calling me " deceptive " and " dishonest " . > Let's establish the ground rules of what will be considered, using your own > statements as the standards: > > 1) Planets in trines or kendras are considered good, while planets in > dusthana's are not (6/8/12). You make this point at the top of the D-6 > discussion <<<Other " rules " snipped>>> > So then these are the ground rules. It was a very brief article and *I* did not " establish " any rules, let alone give the preference order for resolving clashes. Any set of rules and order of applying them that you come up with are essentially your own. > In your discussion, however, you only > made the points that supported your claims, and left out at least 16 points > that i have listed below, when it did not suit your argument. Now to the > specific contradictions: > > D-6 > > Contradiction 1: You mentioned that Sivam's Lagna lord is conjunct a > debilitated planet, but you did not mention that Satyam's is also. That's not called a " contradiction " . Let us see exactly what I wrote: I wrote: " In Satyam's D-6, lagna lord Saturn is in a trine. Lagna is occupied by exalted Mars and aspected by Sun (significator of vitality). These factors blessed him with solid health. In Sivam's D- 6, lagna lord occupies 8th - that's the first sign of weakness. He joins a debilitated planet (Venus) - that's the second. " In Satyam's D-6, I pointed out the key plus points. I did not bother to comment on weaknesses that are likely to be dominated by these two strong points. Why is that a " contradiction " ? > D-27 > > Contradiction 5: Sivam's D-27 Lagna lord is in the 5th house, which according > to your established standards is good. You go on to say that this Moon is > debilitated, implying that this is the big problem, but this seems dishonest > because ... My " established standards " ??? YOU are trying to establish/force your own standards! If I point out lagna lord's trinal placement in one chart, it does not mean it is a great placement irrespective of other factors. Nor does it become my established standard. Look, the point here is that lagna lord's strength is vital in a chart. You have lagna lord Moon debilitated in Sivam's D-27. He's in a trine, but he's debilitated and weak. The other twin's D-27 has Gemini lagna with lord Mercury in it. There is no comparison between the two. I re-iterate - making salient points and skipping secondary points does not amount to a " contradiction " . Terming those as " contradictions " and labelling me " dishonest " only points at one's poor judgment and/or hastiness... > Contradiction 6: Not only is Sivam's Moon a natural and temporal benefic, as > lord of the 1st, but Sivam's Moon receives a full aspect from Jupiter, and > this forms a raja yoga as Jupiter is the lord of the Sivam's 7th and 10th. > This is the only full aspect his 5th house and Moon receives. But this > aspect, and the raja yoga, are not mentioned. Debilitated Moon can only draw a little strength from functional neutral Jupiter's aspect. In fact, FOUR unobstructed papa argalas (malefic interventions) spoil his indications beyond repair (read my book " Vedic Astrology: An Integrated Approach " if you don't know what argalas are and mean). Being debilitated, he cannot easily fight back and save his significations (lagna). Again, you're expecting me to mention every point that you can think of. I considered all those secondary and left them, especially because I wanted to keep the article very brief. > The final analysis of who has the stronger D-27 still favors Satyam, but this > is certainly not as clear-cut as you present it to be, and your subjective > bias still seems very evident to me here. This subjective bias soon becomes What seems evident to me is a desire to flame at any cost. > full blown in the case of the D-24's. > > D-24 > > Contradiction 9: You say that Satyam's " lagna lord occupies a trine and it > makes him fortunate. " You do not mention that the exact same is true of > Sivam's chart, or the fact that on top of this, Sivam's lagna lord is better > aspected than Satyam's. Yes, both have lagna lords in 9th. In one case, lagna lord Venus is in 9th in a friend's house in an intellectual sign. He is quite strong. In the other case, lagna lord is debilitated in 9th. Just as in D-27, lagna lord in Sivam's D-24 is well-placed, but weak. If I stress on the weakness, why is it a sin? When one is weak, how does it matter whether he is well-placed or ill-placed?? If one is strong, then it matters whether he is well-placed or not. > Contradiction 13: While you mention Saturn's aspect to Satyam's 5th house > being to its own sign, you do not mention the aspect from malefic Mars to the > same 5th house. Mars is not a malefic in this chart. He is a *weak* functional neutral (2nd & 7th lord). His aspect has little role. Saturn, OTOH, is a reasonably strong yogakaraka (and the lord of the house being considered!). I repeat for one last time - is this a " contradiction " ? Poor choice of words... You could've just asked me " why did you consider so and so point and why did you leave so and so point " instead of terming these as " contradictions " and using words like " dishonest " and " deceptive " about me. With this, I conclude my correspondence with you. God bless you. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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