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Pranams Sanjayji

Here is your rebellious student, Look at his unprovoked tantrums towards elders.

Look at the history and that speaks it all

This shishya has to bend his back first, safe to say?

there is a combination of 2 postngs that tells about his attitude Aloha moses

and Hello Ramadasji here is a 300 feet message, he may be right , he may be

wrong but his tantrums (oops) He wants to run a bulldozer on anybody who

dissents !!

 

For the sake of Krishna Gita

Thanks

Yousuf

 

 

sohamsa/message/6339

 

Logging out (Re: Gayatri and more )

 

 

Dear Shri Narasimha Rao

Your ego is talking and writing.There was no need for sarcasm

towards Shri Ramadas Rao. You may have invented the " software " that

doesn't give you leverage to use this kind of language with quoted

marks towards an older man. There was nothing ofensive in his

writing.

With Best Regards

Yamini

 

sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Ramadas Rao,

>

> Thank you for your " elders' view " ! I appreciate them.

>

> * * *

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> > my objecting to that humming sound which he calls gayatri

>

> I have clarified many times that I do NOT call the " humming sound "

Gayatri. The humming sound is the tune that captures the accents

that are supposed to be used as per the standard Rigvedic intonation

scheme when chanting Gayatri. It is merely a resource for helping

people in pronouncing Gayatri and it itself is not Gayatri.

>

> Despite several clarifications, I continue to be grossly

misrepresented.

>

> > Nobody should claim that they are right.

>

> I never claimed I am right or perfect. I made a sincere effort to

learn and to share the sharable part of what I learnt with others.

Those who find it useful can use it and others can leave it. That's

all.

>

> > I also took objection to his advising people not to chant this

loudly.

>

> Did I advise others? I only said *I* will not chant loud, when you

asked me to do so. Others may do as they find appropriate! It's not

my business.

>

> * * *

>

> Dear Probodh,

>

> > Why it is given in Karna(right) at the time of Upanayan?

> >

> > The simple reason could be that it is reffered as GuruMukha.

Every

> > vedic Mantra must be taken from the Mukha of Guru.The mantra

should

> > be taken from GuruMukha in right Karna(Ear).

>

> As you said above, mantropadesa in GuruMukha is very vital in

tradition. And, when one gets a mantra from GuruMukha, we believe

that there are some karmik implications.

>

> I do not want to give the mantra in " GuruMukha " to everybody.

Those who got it from GuruMukha, forgot it and need help in

restarting will get some indirect help from me.

>

> * * *

>

> As I see, the purpose of this thread has been served. I thank all

the friends who participated in the thread and the moderators of all

the who tolerated this non-Jyotish discussion. I humbly

apologize to anyone that I have offended unknowingly.

>

> I wrote what my limited intellect could absorb from what was given

to me by the Mother and my guru.

>

> I am logging out of this thread now.

>

> Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

> sohamsa , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao@> wrote:

> >

> > OM SHRI RAGHAVENDRAAYA NAMAH

> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

> > Dear Sanjay Ji,

> > I was reading your mail about the Holy Gayatri Mantra and your

discussion with Chi.Narasimha from many days.Here are my views or

you can consider this as my elders' view.During Uapanayana,both the

Vatu and his father will be covered by white cloth,the Vatu sitting

on his father's lap,father will slowly chant Gayatri Mantra on his

ears,so that others should not listen this Holy Initiation of

Gayatri Mantra.Even I initiated Gayatri Mantra to my son in 1989

during his Upanayana.This Mantra is such a secret, sacred and Holy

Mantra,that no evil person listen this Mantra.As we know that there

are 24 letters in this Mantra,it contains the main 24 Devathas in

these letters.This Mantra is not such other Mantras which can be

chanted so loudly through loud speakers.If any other person has to

chant this Holy Mantra he should get the initiation of this Holy

Mantra from a Gayatri Mantra Upasaka or Sadhaka.Anyhow as per my

knowledge,this Mantra can not be chanted loudly in government

> > offices or any other places.This Holy Mantra's sacredness has

to be protected.

> > With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

> > Ramadas Rao.

> >

> >

> > Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> >  | om gurave namah |

> > Dear Pandit Arjun

> > Now you see the difference I have with Narasimha about *right

intonation* and the reasons for my objecting to that humming sound

which he calls gayatri! Nobody should claim that they are right. I

also took objection to his advising people not to chant this loudly.

I stand by my statement that if this is played in government

offices, even at low volume, just as *vahe guru* is played in the

Punjab Bank HQ, corruption will come down to nil.

> > The Gäyatri parivar has done a remarkable job in such a short

time. I was in Orissa and even in Aska and Kodala they have done

very well. The MLA Sri Kishore Chandra Singh Deo was really all

praises for their good work.

> > However on the issue of saying the gayatri mantra even once, I

have already lodged my protest with his guru. Frankly, I think both

will need to think on this or consult their seniors in their

tradition (I hope someone is around). If you have to give something,

give it well. Your analogy of the parrot (Matangi defined really)

was excellent but then Ramanuja disobeyed his guru and gave the

mantra *om namo naarayanaaya* to the world.

> > Actually there is something bigger happening which none can

see but it was an eye-opener for me. It is the way of Jagannath to

show me that this sishya of mine does not have such a big heart as I

thought he did, or perhaps Jagannath is opening his heart, slowly

but surely. Prabodh's point is very right as it can only be a

selfish intent that can prevent him from giving what his heart says

must be given. Why has he done all this in the forst place? Because

his heart says that he must give.

> > Of course we should not forget that he has Sun in the 7th

house (the hridaya as per Jaimini) and let us see how well he can

give this that is there in his heart. Can he be another Yajyavalkya?

> > " Extract from my paper for the SJC West Coast pre-conference "

> > URW Palladio font 7. Püñä: He is the giver of cattle and

animal wealth, pets, etc. He is the creator of the Indra-jala

(Indra’s net). [Read story of Vaishampayan and Yajnavalkya †"

Püñäditya was his Guru in the form of a horse and taught him the

Yajur-veda mantras, at midday]

> > mantra om ghåëi püñaëe namaù or om hiraëyagarbhäya

namaù or om hiraëyaretase namaù

> > 7th House: Reta/Libra;

> > Offer: Ghee + sweet rice

> > Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

> > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

>

 

 

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Re: Satyam and Sivam

 

 

Aloha Moses,

 

My time is better spent on those list members who have sincere

questions. Considering the unreasonable nature of your criticism, I

will ignore you from now on. Before I do that, I will try to briefly

address your points for one last time. This will be my last reply to

you on my article on twins.

 

I am a student of Jyotish, which is an ocean of knowledge. One may

indeed find some contradictions in my writings, partly because of my

incomplete knowledge and partly because of the time constraint I

face when writing. However, YOU have chosen a very wrong example. I

will answer your points shortly.

 

You could've just asked me " why did you consider so and so point and

why did you leave so and so point " instead of terming these

as " contradictions " and using words like " dishonest " and " deceptive "

about me.

 

> But any cautious observer

> will notice that you only argue the half of the story that supports

your

> claim and completely ignore all of the points that would not

support your

> claim. I came away from this article feeling like you were very

deceptive and

> biased in presenting this information.

 

One certainly cannot expect me to state each and every point in that

very brief article. The article you read was meant to show the fine

parameters/degrees of freedom present in Vedic astrology as opposed

to some other systems. You came up with YOUR OWN set of rigid rules

and tried to find " contradictions " in my article - basically you

pointed out the points that I did not make. In a brief article, I

have the right of making only the salient points. You are painting

secondary/tertiary points as primary ones (using your own judgment)

and calling me " deceptive " and " dishonest " .

 

> Let's establish the ground rules of what will be considered, using

your own

> statements as the standards:

>

> 1) Planets in trines or kendras are considered good, while planets

in

> dusthana's are not (6/8/12). You make this point at the top of the

D-6

> discussion

<<<Other " rules " snipped>>>

> So then these are the ground rules.

 

It was a very brief article and *I* did not " establish " any rules,

let alone give the preference order for resolving clashes. Any set of

rules and order of applying them that you come up with are

essentially your own.

 

> In your discussion, however, you only

> made the points that supported your claims, and left out at least

16 points

> that i have listed below, when it did not suit your argument. Now

to the

> specific contradictions:

>

> D-6

>

> Contradiction 1: You mentioned that Sivam's Lagna lord is conjunct

a

> debilitated planet, but you did not mention that Satyam's is also.

 

That's not called a " contradiction " . Let us see exactly what I wrote:

 

I wrote: " In Satyam's D-6, lagna lord Saturn is in a trine. Lagna is

occupied by exalted Mars and aspected by Sun (significator of

vitality). These factors blessed him with solid health. In Sivam's D-

6, lagna lord occupies 8th - that's the first sign of weakness. He

joins a debilitated planet (Venus) - that's the second. "

 

In Satyam's D-6, I pointed out the key plus points. I did not bother

to comment on weaknesses that are likely to be dominated by these two

strong points. Why is that a " contradiction " ?

 

> D-27

>

> Contradiction 5: Sivam's D-27 Lagna lord is in the 5th house, which

according

> to your established standards is good. You go on to say that this

Moon is

> debilitated, implying that this is the big problem, but this seems

dishonest

> because ...

 

My " established standards " ??? YOU are trying to establish/force your

own standards! If I point out lagna lord's trinal placement in one

chart, it does not mean it is a great placement irrespective of other

factors. Nor does it become my established standard.

 

Look, the point here is that lagna lord's strength is vital in a

chart. You have lagna lord Moon debilitated in Sivam's D-27. He's in

a trine, but he's debilitated and weak.

 

The other twin's D-27 has Gemini lagna with lord Mercury in it.

 

There is no comparison between the two.

 

I re-iterate - making salient points and skipping secondary points

does not amount to a " contradiction " . Terming those

as " contradictions " and labelling me " dishonest " only points at one's

poor judgment and/or hastiness...

 

> Contradiction 6: Not only is Sivam's Moon a natural and temporal

benefic, as

> lord of the 1st, but Sivam's Moon receives a full aspect from

Jupiter, and

> this forms a raja yoga as Jupiter is the lord of the Sivam's 7th

and 10th.

> This is the only full aspect his 5th house and Moon receives. But

this

> aspect, and the raja yoga, are not mentioned.

 

Debilitated Moon can only draw a little strength from functional

neutral Jupiter's aspect. In fact, FOUR unobstructed papa argalas

(malefic interventions) spoil his indications beyond repair (read my

book " Vedic Astrology: An Integrated Approach " if you don't know what

argalas are and mean). Being debilitated, he cannot easily fight back

and save his significations (lagna).

 

Again, you're expecting me to mention every point that you can think

of. I considered all those secondary and left them, especially

because I wanted to keep the article very brief.

 

> The final analysis of who has the stronger D-27 still favors

Satyam, but this

> is certainly not as clear-cut as you present it to be, and your

subjective

> bias still seems very evident to me here. This subjective bias soon

becomes

 

What seems evident to me is a desire to flame at any cost.

 

> full blown in the case of the D-24's.

>

> D-24

>

> Contradiction 9: You say that Satyam's " lagna lord occupies a trine

and it

> makes him fortunate. " You do not mention that the exact same is

true of

> Sivam's chart, or the fact that on top of this, Sivam's lagna lord

is better

> aspected than Satyam's.

 

Yes, both have lagna lords in 9th. In one case, lagna lord Venus is

in 9th in a friend's house in an intellectual sign. He is quite

strong. In the other case, lagna lord is debilitated in 9th. Just as

in D-27, lagna lord in Sivam's D-24 is well-placed, but weak. If I

stress on the weakness, why is it a sin? When one is weak, how does

it matter whether he is well-placed or ill-placed?? If one is strong,

then it matters whether he is well-placed or not.

 

> Contradiction 13: While you mention Saturn's aspect to Satyam's 5th

house

> being to its own sign, you do not mention the aspect from malefic

Mars to the

> same 5th house.

 

Mars is not a malefic in this chart. He is a *weak* functional

neutral (2nd & 7th lord). His aspect has little role. Saturn, OTOH,

is a reasonably strong yogakaraka (and the lord of the house being

considered!).

 

I repeat for one last time - is this a " contradiction " ? Poor choice

of words...

 

You could've just asked me " why did you consider so and so point and

why did you leave so and so point " instead of terming these

as " contradictions " and using words like " dishonest " and " deceptive "

about me.

 

With this, I conclude my correspondence with you. God bless you.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

 

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