[SoHamsa] ELOPED ELDER SISTER CONTROVERSIAL MARRIAGE

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klim

krishna klim

Dear Lakshmi

 

Such Guru is normally good, but not for Rahu/Kumbha rasi. If its 1st

marriage then if we move forward 7 minutes then 8th in D9 have

Shukra-Rahu yoga which shows extramaritial problems.

 

Last part of Budha mahadasa (Dvisaptati) belongs to strength and

nicaamsa avastha brings many stressful situation and seperation (Budha

is in vayu rasi in D9). Mercury dasa is challenging for

Navami tithi (being rejected by family/community) and is ending soon.

Current AD is of Mars which gives effect of Moon (Navamsa parivartana)

and being in 12th with Rahu doesn't bode well. Åšakti yoga aspects

Mangal (7th lord) which is rejected by Atmakaraka (marana karaka

sthana). These are also in Visakha nakśatra which is Utpata (100%

significator Rahu, the good point is friendly sambandha with Vara which

is Sanivar). Rahu is lord of Upapada and 4th house so the problems are

occuring now (Candra AD).

 

Worship of Durga (especially Puja) would be the remedy based on the

traditional advise.

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Vedic Astrologer of SJC

http://rohinaa.com/

rgendarz

 

lakshmikary pisze:

 

 

Hare Rama KRishna

Dear Ashish,

IS your sister happy? Is her husband taking good care of her?

Im trying to understand the situation and what you are asking.

I assume you are saying society around you is givign your family a hard

time due to the unconventional marriage, and social status of the

husband.?If so I doubt things would improve for your family if she

divorces.

However, her marriage looks be strong from the chart.

Ok, if I have the chart right- using an older version of jh , so double

check it.

I have scorpio rising with UL in aquarius,

either way aquarius has 2 lords both with some negative elements, plus

UL is aspected by Rahu, so chart appears to be correct, I dont know

about the navamsa so, i leave it out of equation.

Point-

Second from UL shows what supports or breaks marriages,

plus you have to look at other things to confirm.

The thing that stands out in your sisters chart -is that Jupiter is in

PISCES , his own sign in the 2nd from the UL in the 5th house of love

affairs..

The second from UL ISNT aspected by any malefics, in fact it has aspect

also from Venus.Pretty nice benefical Karmic influences SUPPORTing this

marriage.

In summary, I hope there is some way this gets resolved so your family

can be happy and ok, but it looks like this marriage of your sister was

strongly destined.If I didnt understand your question, please rephase

it.

best wishes

LAkshmi

 

sohamsa ,

"Ashish" <bondmerama wrote:

>

> Respected Sanjay ji,Lakshmi ji,Sarjit ji.

>

> >> Namaskar.

> >> Below happens to be the birth details of my elder

sister.Her chart is

> >> an example of secert Love Marriage in 2007,with

disreputation in

> >> society after marriage.Also rejection by our

family,followed by separation

> >> distancing,the marriage happens to be a person of very

low status,in

> >> terms of caste and financial.

> >> What is the future of this marriage,bocz divorce likely

in her chart.

> >> UL lord Shani(Happens to be sorrowful for her).in A7 .

> >> Sister elder than her partner by two years.

> >> This is tough situation for our family.

> >> Is a rescue indication???

> >> Kindly Guide if possible.with astrological reasons of

such a incident.

> >> DOB 25 jan 1976.

> >> TOB 2:35 am.

> >> Place :Lucknow

> >> Country:India.

> >>KINDLY GUIDE WHAT STEP WE SHOULD TAKE,MORE THAN 3 YRS HAVE

PASSED,WITH NO DECISION.

> WHOLE LOT OF TENSIONS IN FAMILY ARE BECAUSE OF ABOVE EVENT

> best regards

>

> Ashish .

>

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klim

krishna klim

Dear Laksmi, Namaste

 

Thank you for raising these points of discussion. To clear out: I

didn't say discussed chart's person will end up in extramaritial

problems. I have given only hint to rectify Navamsa, of course we can

do it based on the job, money, connection with relatives, complexion of

partner etc. The factor which is problematic for the upapada as my main

point raised is the principle of comparing Upapada influence and 2nd

house from Upapada. Person will surely figth hard to save the marriage

as Guru is Atmakaraka and has virodha on the 8th lord from Upapada.

 

Upapada and 2nd house from it

Upapada which is the arudha of 12th house shows marriage as given in

classics including Uttara-Kalamrta (4/40). A12 shows Bharya (wife) and

Darapada shows Vasa (any partner, including these involved in

bussiness).

2nd house / 2nd lord from Upapada shows conditions for the sustanence

of marriage. The lord should be wellplaced in Rasi and Navamsa. In Rasi

we should see the position from

Lagnesh, Arudhapada and Atmakaraka. We are also taugth to see the

relation between Upapada and 2nd house. If the characteristics and

whole nature of marriage and partner are

clashing with its conditions for sustanence then this raise to many

problems which can include divorce. One of these examples would be Rahu

influencing Upapada and Jupiter being/lording

2nd house from Upapada as these planets stand in opposite poles. The

situation which arises is lack of sambandha between the conditions for

sustanence/continuity and nature of marriage/partner.

On symbolic and example level this can be explained as dharmic /

religious arguments trying to convince rogue to sustain some project,

normally rogue would have quite different motivation

to continue putting the energy into some area of life. I was also

taught to see similar sambandha between planet in 7th house

(preferenes) and those influencing Upapada. In Navamsa we are advised

to see the sambandha between lagnesh and particular vivaha-bhavas.

 

Upapada and Navamsa

Upapada is very formal and external and the 2nd house will show the

excuse and the theme of arguments/discussion connected to end of

marriage, whilst real indications for the end of marriage can be seen

by analysing 2nd house from vivaha bhava (7th for the 1st marriage) in

Navamsa. For the marriage to have extramaritial problem there must be

association of Åšukra and if likely this Åšukra should be in dusthana in

Navamsa (COVA), influence of Rahu will add to this as this shows

cheating done which can break the marriage. Final decision is the 2nd

lord from Upapada seen in D9.

Based on the above complete marriage analysis would integrate many

principles involving Rasi & Navamsa. Normally Navamsa is not just

another varga but is included in tri-varga (including drekkana) which

form the complete view and strength of the grahas and rasis including

all spheres of life. Based on the concept of Navamsa we use tulya

principle and bija chakra which gives details to the position of

planets in Rasi.

 

We can always use Vimshottari dasa, so Dvisaptati is just my preference

for the charts with 7th lord in Lagna and vice versa. In Navamsa for

Kanya Lagnesh is also in 7th house.

 

Simha Lagna is very likely. Budha-Rahu/Budha-Surya (Dvisaptati). Surya

is Lagnesh and Rahu (7th lord) is in 2nd from it fulfilling the

condition. However Budha lord of Desa Tara (MD level) doesn't have

nirabhasa argala on Lagnesh nor it have yoga with lagna. So there is

space for discussion here with the few details given by the person.

 

 

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Vedic Astrologer of SJC

http://rohinaa.com/

rgendarz

 

 

lakshmikary pisze:

 

 

Hare Rama KRishna

Dear Rafal,

If the 2nd from UL shows what supports and breaks a marriage,

and Jupiter is there in this chart as the binding principle, whether it

represents children or tradition, or money.

We cant overlook the influence of Venus as well.

Jupiter it AK and Venus is DK.!

As Far as I am aware, we arent looking for whether Jupiter is a friend

or not to lagna , we are looking to see what influences are having

argala onto UL.

 

If the marriage is to break as you say due to extra marital affairs,

then there should be influence of Rahu, and such on the 2nd from UL.

Now are you assuming that the native or the spouse would be the one to

due this? my point is I dont think it is wise to mess around with the

navamsa chart unless you can clearly see something indicated in rasi.

You said "if you move it 7 minutes lagna changes", but it also changes

the other way at 6 minutes!

 

Before you make some big moves to navamsa- where do you see a tendancy

or potential for this in the natives RASI chart.?

 

also , did you notice the transit of Jupiter coming up?

 

In regards to dasa choice, I think Vimshottari is a better choice to

use as there are many planets in kendra to MOON.

with regards and looking forward to your reply you need a more

convincing argument to sway me.

Lakshmi

 

sohamsa ,

Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

>

> *klim krishna klim*

> Dear Lakshmi

>

> Such Guru is normally good, but not for Rahu/Kumbha rasi. If its

1st

> marriage then if we move forward 7 minutes then 8th in D9 have

> Shukra-Rahu yoga which shows extramaritial problems.

>

> Last part of Budha mahadasa (Dvisaptati) belongs to strength and

> nicaamsa avastha brings many stressful situation and seperation

(Budha

> is in vayu rasi in D9). Mercury dasa is challenging for

> Navami tithi (being rejected by family/community) and is ending

soon.

> Current AD is of Mars which gives effect of Moon (Navamsa

parivartana)

> and being in 12th with Rahu doesn't bode well. Ã…Å¡akti yoga aspects

Mangal

> (7th lord) which is rejected by Atmakaraka (marana karaka sthana).

These

> are also in Visakha nakśatra which is Utpata (100% significator

Rahu,

> the good point is friendly sambandha with Vara which is Sanivar).

Rahu

> is lord of Upapada and 4th house so the problems are occuring now

> (Candra AD).

>

> Worship of Durga (especially Puja) would be the remedy based on

the

> traditional advise.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Vedic Astrologer of SJC

> http://rohinaa.com/

> /rgendarz/

>

> lakshmikary pisze:

> >

> >

> > Hare Rama KRishna

> > Dear Ashish,

> > IS your sister happy? Is her husband taking good care of her?

> > Im trying to understand the situation and what you are asking.

> > I assume you are saying society around you is givign your

family a

> > hard time due to the unconventional marriage, and social

status of the

> > husband.?If so I doubt things would improve for your family

if she

> > divorces.

> > However, her marriage looks be strong from the chart.

> > Ok, if I have the chart right- using an older version of jh ,

so

> > double check it.

> > I have scorpio rising with UL in aquarius,

> > either way aquarius has 2 lords both with some negative

elements, plus

> > UL is aspected by Rahu, so chart appears to be correct, I

dont know

> > about the navamsa so, i leave it out of equation.

> > Point-

> > Second from UL shows what supports or breaks marriages,

> > plus you have to look at other things to confirm.

> > The thing that stands out in your sisters chart -is that

Jupiter is in

> > PISCES , his own sign in the 2nd from the UL in the 5th house

of love

> > affairs..

> > The second from UL ISNT aspected by any malefics, in fact it

has

> > aspect also from Venus.Pretty nice benefical Karmic

influences

> > SUPPORTing this marriage.

> > In summary, I hope there is some way this gets resolved so

your family

> > can be happy and ok, but it looks like this marriage of your

sister

> > was strongly destined.If I didnt understand your question,

please

> > rephase it.

> > best wishes

> > LAkshmi

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>,

> > "Ashish" <bondmerama@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sanjay ji,Lakshmi ji,Sarjit ji.

> > >

> > > >> Namaskar.

> > > >> Below happens to be the birth details of my

elder sister.Her

> > chart is

> > > >> an example of secert Love Marriage in 2007,with

disreputation in

> > > >> society after marriage.Also rejection by our

family,followed by

> > separation

> > > >> distancing,the marriage happens to be a person

of very low status,in

> > > >> terms of caste and financial.

> > > >> What is the future of this marriage,bocz

divorce likely in her chart.

> > > >> UL lord Shani(Happens to be sorrowful for

her).in A7 .

> > > >> Sister elder than her partner by two years.

> > > >> This is tough situation for our family.

> > > >> Is a rescue indication???

> > > >> Kindly Guide if possible.with astrological

reasons of such a

> > incident.

> > > >> DOB 25 jan 1976.

> > > >> TOB 2:35 am.

> > > >> Place :Lucknow

> > > >> Country:India.

> > > >>KINDLY GUIDE WHAT STEP WE SHOULD TAKE,MORE THAN

3 YRS HAVE

> > PASSED,WITH NO DECISION.

> > > WHOLE LOT OF TENSIONS IN FAMILY ARE BECAUSE OF ABOVE

EVENT

> > > best regards

> > >

> > > Ashish .

> > >

> >

> >

>

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klim

krishna klim

Dear Ashish

 

1st of 2007, you mean January 2007 or what was the month?

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Vedic Astrologer of SJC

http://rohinaa.com/

rgendarz

 

 

Ashish pisze:

 

 

Respected Rafal Ji and Lakshmi Ji,

Namaskar.

The complete picture is as follows.

My elder sister used to teach in a computer institute where she had

fallen in love with a fellow student,the affair as told by her started

in 2005,and on 1st 2007,she got married in a run-away situation from

her institute for few hours,with the support of office collegues,and

returned back.We had no knowledge about all this when a 3rd person

informed us,and it was too late then.We were much sacred about the

defamation in family,so we along with my sister and parents left the

city and moved to Bangalore.Her marriage was unregistered.

Since 2007-till 2010 now,we wished that she would change her

mind.Reasons-the person she has married,we have never met,nor

talked.

Some astrologers at that time told us that it was a Tantric trap,by the

group on my sister.,but the truth is that she is very much attached to

the person.

We have no idea what to do,because marriage in such situations can be

very exploitive,because it was done in antisocial way.

So currently since past 3 yrs,me my sister and parents are all staying

under one roof,unknowing what to do.There is a complete criss-cross

situation within 4 of us.

Since the person she has chosen is not properly settled in education or

professional it makes a tough choice to accept,just on basis of

love,even we donot know whether it is true from both sides.

Please guide,what exactly we can do because my parents are worried

about my marriage also,I am 31 now.They cannot do that also nor can I

without the sister life getting properly settled.No one would wish to

marry in a family with such a critical situation.

WE ARE LIVING A NOMADIC LIFE IN A DIFFERENT CITY,AS A TENANT,THOUGH WE

HAVE OUR OWN HOME BUT WE CANNOT GO THERE TOGETHER.

When will we return our home happily back again?

Best Regards

Ashish.

 

sohamsa ,

"lakshmikary" <lakshmikary wrote:

>

> Hare Rama KRishna

> Dear Rafal,

> Just for interest(and curiousity) I took the change of the navamsa

lagna to 6 minutes,(instead of your 7 minutes to the later sign)

> see previous post

>

> This puts retro Saturn(the co-lord of 7th) in navamsa lagna-

> Saturn would give delays in getting married, and if we use

vimshottari dasa she was in Saturn/Jupiter when she was married.

> Now,

> Saturn is co-lord of Ul in Rasi, Jupiter is having argala,

> AND if we make this adjustment,in navamsa lagna , Saturn will be

in navamsa lagna and Jupiter is in the 7th!

> Rahus influence ont he 2nd from navamsa lagna would show the

controversy and social scandal involved-he is also co-lord 7th house.

>

> Of course if she has been previously married I take back

everything ive said, I am reading this as first marriage as more or

less presented in the original query.

> Best wishes

> Lakshmi

>

> sohamsa ,

"lakshmikary" <lakshmikary@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama KRishna

> > Dear Rafal,

> > If the 2nd from UL shows what supports and breaks a marriage,

> > and Jupiter is there in this chart as the binding principle,

whether it represents children or tradition, or money.

> > We cant overlook the influence of Venus as well.

> > Jupiter it AK and Venus is DK.!

> > As Far as I am aware, we arent looking for whether Jupiter is

a friend or not to lagna , we are looking to see what influences are

having argala onto UL.

> >

> > If the marriage is to break as you say due to extra marital

affairs, then there should be influence of Rahu, and such on the 2nd

from UL.

> > Now are you assuming that the native or the spouse would be

the one to due this? my point is I dont think it is wise to mess around

with the navamsa chart unless you can clearly see something indicated

in rasi.

> > You said "if you move it 7 minutes lagna changes", but it

also changes the other way at 6 minutes!

> >

> > Before you make some big moves to navamsa- where do you see a

tendancy or potential for this in the natives RASI chart.?

> >

> > also , did you notice the transit of Jupiter coming up?

> >

> > In regards to dasa choice, I think Vimshottari is a better

choice to use as there are many planets in kendra to MOON.

> > with regards and looking forward to your reply you need a

more convincing argument to sway me.

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > sohamsa ,

Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > >

> > > *klim krishna klim*

> > > Dear Lakshmi

> > >

> > > Such Guru is normally good, but not for Rahu/Kumbha

rasi. If its 1st

> > > marriage then if we move forward 7 minutes then 8th in

D9 have

> > > Shukra-Rahu yoga which shows extramaritial problems.

> > >

> > > Last part of Budha mahadasa (Dvisaptati) belongs to

strength and

> > > nicaamsa avastha brings many stressful situation and

seperation (Budha

> > > is in vayu rasi in D9). Mercury dasa is challenging for

> > > Navami tithi (being rejected by family/community) and is

ending soon.

> > > Current AD is of Mars which gives effect of Moon

(Navamsa parivartana)

> > > and being in 12th with Rahu doesn't bode well. Ã…Å¡akti

yoga aspects Mangal

> > > (7th lord) which is rejected by Atmakaraka (marana

karaka sthana). These

> > > are also in Visakha nakśatra which is Utpata (100%

significator Rahu,

> > > the good point is friendly sambandha with Vara which is

Sanivar). Rahu

> > > is lord of Upapada and 4th house so the problems are

occuring now

> > > (Candra AD).

> > >

> > > Worship of Durga (especially Puja) would be the remedy

based on the

> > > traditional advise.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Vedic Astrologer of SJC

> > > http://rohinaa.com/

> > > /rgendarz@/

> > >

> > > lakshmikary pisze:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hare Rama KRishna

> > > > Dear Ashish,

> > > > IS your sister happy? Is her husband taking good

care of her?

> > > > Im trying to understand the situation and what you

are asking.

> > > > I assume you are saying society around you is

givign your family a

> > > > hard time due to the unconventional marriage, and

social status of the

> > > > husband.?If so I doubt things would improve for

your family if she

> > > > divorces.

> > > > However, her marriage looks be strong from the

chart.

> > > > Ok, if I have the chart right- using an older

version of jh , so

> > > > double check it.

> > > > I have scorpio rising with UL in aquarius,

> > > > either way aquarius has 2 lords both with some

negative elements, plus

> > > > UL is aspected by Rahu, so chart appears to be

correct, I dont know

> > > > about the navamsa so, i leave it out of equation.

> > > > Point-

> > > > Second from UL shows what supports or breaks

marriages,

> > > > plus you have to look at other things to confirm.

> > > > The thing that stands out in your sisters chart -is

that Jupiter is in

> > > > PISCES , his own sign in the 2nd from the UL in the

5th house of love

> > > > affairs..

> > > > The second from UL ISNT aspected by any malefics,

in fact it has

> > > > aspect also from Venus.Pretty nice benefical Karmic

influences

> > > > SUPPORTing this marriage.

> > > > In summary, I hope there is some way this gets

resolved so your family

> > > > can be happy and ok, but it looks like this

marriage of your sister

> > > > was strongly destined.If I didnt understand your

question, please

> > > > rephase it.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > LAkshmi

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>,

> > > > "Ashish" <bondmerama@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sanjay ji,Lakshmi ji,Sarjit ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > >> Namaskar.

> > > > > >> Below happens to be the birth details

of my elder sister.Her

> > > > chart is

> > > > > >> an example of secert Love Marriage in

2007,with disreputation in

> > > > > >> society after marriage.Also rejection

by our family,followed by

> > > > separation

> > > > > >> distancing,the marriage happens to be

a person of very low status,in

> > > > > >> terms of caste and financial.

> > > > > >> What is the future of this

marriage,bocz divorce likely in her chart.

> > > > > >> UL lord Shani(Happens to be sorrowful

for her).in A7 .

> > > > > >> Sister elder than her partner by two

years.

> > > > > >> This is tough situation for our

family.

> > > > > >> Is a rescue indication???

> > > > > >> Kindly Guide if possible.with

astrological reasons of such a

> > > > incident.

> > > > > >> DOB 25 jan 1976.

> > > > > >> TOB 2:35 am.

> > > > > >> Place :Lucknow

> > > > > >> Country:India.

> > > > > >>KINDLY GUIDE WHAT STEP WE SHOULD

TAKE,MORE THAN 3 YRS HAVE

> > > > PASSED,WITH NO DECISION.

> > > > > WHOLE LOT OF TENSIONS IN FAMILY ARE BECAUSE OF

ABOVE EVENT

> > > > > best regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Ashish .

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>