Guest guest Posted October 2, 2000 Report Share Posted October 2, 2000 Dear Sandy and all the list members, Namaste, I think some members are more eager to apply Astakvarg for finding the longevity. I appreciate about the curiocity. But before finding the longevity, I want one should be more acquainted with the some more knowledge, more familiar with some law. Here I give some simple questions, Please try to answer them. Hint: For finding out the longevity 3rd, 8th and 12 houses are respectively 'A','B' and 'C'. All laws are as usual, significator with max points may ends the life. But it will not be in the first or second sub. When it will happen? it should be find out. It is not our aim at present. Aspect of Jupiter on that reduces the effect. This are the hints, Now I give some questions for your study. I will tell you most of the vedic laws are based on this phenomenon. With the same I would like to ask some Questions. 1 Why natural malefics are said to be good in dustanas ( 6,8,12) 2.Why natural malefics are good in upchay stan. 3. Why Natural malefics are good in 10th house of the chart. 4. Why natural benefics are not good for kendra stan. 5. Why Jupiter is said, that it spoils the result of the house where it is situated. Natural malefics means Mars and Saturn, and other except Sun and Moon are benefic. Waning Moon is said to be malefic and Sun is Crual not malefic. Above laws are of general nature, and are very vague in nature. But still there is some principle behind those laws. Please try to answer them, If one gives correct theory behind those laws, can be said to be got the root of astakvarg and also vedic astrology. The answers should be based on the Astakvarg, and the theory tought till today. If any body can answer these questions, and if he thinks in the same way for all the laws of astrology, he will be master in the field. I hope this will help you, to study the system deeply krushna _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2000 Report Share Posted October 3, 2000 Dear Krushna and List Members, I certainly appreciate your patience with me and my incessant and never-ending questions - I'll try to answer the questions (below) and then I will " pipe down " so we can all attain more knowledge and become more familiar with some of this System's laws. ;-) The answers given below are from memory of my " Traditional or Classical " system of Vedic Courses I have taken over the years, and would therefore need to be " integrated " into the Ashtaskavarga System you are teaching...that is, " IF " they are correct and what you are looking for. > > I will tell you most of the vedic laws are based on this phenomenon. > With the same I would like to ask some Questions. > 1 Why natural malefics are said to be good in dustanas ( 6,8,12) It is my understanding that when malefics are posited in dusthanas, this position normally weakens or destroys the planets effectiveness to cause harm. > 2.Why natural malefics are good in upchay stan. Because an upachaya is normally considered a " growing " or " increasing " house, meaning that, in time, problems will improve or be overcome, and because malefic planets posited here normally reverse their effects and give benefic results. > 3. Why Natural malefics are good in 10th house of the chart. The 10th is both an upachaya and kendra, and because malefics posited in an upachaya give good results it is a very good position for natural malefics. There is much more free will and power available to overcome the negative effects indicated by the malefics posited here. > 4. Why natural benefics are not good for kendra stan. The lords and occupants of kendras are powerful, and benefics ruling or posited in kendras can take on negative energy and have the ability to do harm rather than good, so benefics posited in angles is not so good for the plantet's positive energies. > 5. Why Jupiter is said, that it spoils the result of the house where it is > situated. I could be wrong on this, but I believe that somewhere in BPHS there is a special rule that is applicable to Jupiter regarding longevity factors, that states something to the effect that if Jupiter is posited in the lagna or the 7th house and is aspected by benefics only, that the effect of this placement will be to increase the longevity of the native. Something like that. Anyway, the aspect of Jupiter on significator houses reduces the effect of harming the longevity factor. Jupiter, being the greatest benefic, gives the greatest protection, but some say that the presence of Jupiter in any house takes away from the results of that particular house - which would be true if Jupiter has less than 4 points in its ashtakavarga. If these answers are at all correct and what you are looking for, I would then apply the Ashtakavarga rules from your system to the vedic principles above, and integrate the principles where need be, with emphasis on the ashtwakavarga rules, as taught by you, as far as malefics, benefics, exaltation, debilitation, samdharmi, lords of D and E houses - etc...and apply them to the above theories? OK...That is my take on the questions...Thanks, Krushna, for the opportunity to try and go a bit " further " with this topic of longevity... before you feel we are even ready. ;-) ~Namaste~ Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2000 Report Share Posted October 3, 2000 Dear Sandy These answers are given in all the text on the subject, I want the roots of these statements,which are hidden in the Astakvarg system. If you study the same I think you can find the answer. You said : when malefics are posited in dusthana....weakens or destroys effectiveness to cause harm.... My question again Why such thing happens? Why they loose effectiveness? krushna > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy > > >Re: Re: Some Questions >Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:59:47 -0400 > >Dear Krushna and List Members, > >I certainly appreciate your patience with me and my incessant and >never-ending questions - I'll try to answer the questions (below) and then >I >will " pipe down " so we can all attain more knowledge and become more >familiar with some of this System's laws. ;-) > >The answers given below are from memory of my " Traditional or Classical " >system of Vedic Courses I have taken over the years, and would therefore >need to be " integrated " into the Ashtaskavarga System you are >teaching...that is, " IF " they are correct and what you are looking for. > > > > > I will tell you most of the vedic laws are based on this phenomenon. > > With the same I would like to ask some Questions. > > > 1 Why natural malefics are said to be good in dustanas ( 6,8,12) > >It is my understanding that when malefics are posited in dusthanas, this >position normally weakens or destroys the planets effectiveness to cause >harm. > > > 2.Why natural malefics are good in upchay stan. > >Because an upachaya is normally considered a " growing " or " increasing " >house, meaning that, in time, problems will improve or be overcome, and >because malefic planets posited here normally reverse their effects and >give >benefic results. > > > 3. Why Natural malefics are good in 10th house of the chart. > >The 10th is both an upachaya and kendra, and because malefics posited in an >upachaya give good results it is a very good position for natural malefics. >There is much more free will and power available to overcome the negative >effects indicated by the malefics posited here. > > > 4. Why natural benefics are not good for kendra stan. > >The lords and occupants of kendras are powerful, and benefics ruling or >posited in kendras can take on negative energy and have the ability to do >harm rather than good, so benefics posited in angles is not so good for the >plantet's positive energies. > > > 5. Why Jupiter is said, that it spoils the result of the house where it >is > > situated. > >I could be wrong on this, but I believe that somewhere in BPHS there is a >special rule that is applicable to Jupiter regarding longevity factors, >that >states something to the effect that if Jupiter is posited in the lagna or >the 7th house and is aspected by benefics only, that the effect of this >placement will be to increase the longevity of the native. Something like >that. Anyway, the aspect of Jupiter on significator houses reduces the >effect of harming the longevity factor. Jupiter, being the greatest >benefic, >gives the greatest protection, but some say that the presence of Jupiter in >any house takes away from the results of that particular house - which >would >be true if Jupiter has less than 4 points in its ashtakavarga. > >If these answers are at all correct and what you are looking for, I would >then apply the Ashtakavarga rules from your system to the vedic principles >above, and integrate the principles where need be, with emphasis on the >ashtwakavarga rules, as taught by you, as far as malefics, benefics, >exaltation, debilitation, samdharmi, lords of D and E houses - etc...and >apply them to the above theories? > >OK...That is my take on the questions...Thanks, Krushna, for the >opportunity >to try and go a bit " further " with this topic of longevity... before you >feel we are even ready. ;-) > >~Namaste~ > Sandy > > > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2000 Report Share Posted October 4, 2000 Dear Krushna, My knowledge of traditional Vedic is nowhere near as much as most of the others but I would say that Malefics would be good in dusthanas because dusthanas are evil houses and woud in fact destroy the malefic effects leaving only the good effects. 2 Evils = 1 good?. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2000 Report Share Posted October 4, 2000 Dear Krushna, > Dear Sandy > These answers are given in all the text on the subject, I want the roots of > these statements,which are hidden in the Astakvarg system. If you study the > same I think you can find the answer. > You said : when malefics are posited in dusthana....weakens or destroys > effectiveness to cause harm.... My question again Why such thing happens? > Why they loose effectiveness? > krushna You say the roots of these statements are " hidden " in the Astakvarg system...So I guess I'll have to study more and read between the lines of the Lessons you have so generously provided to us, because the only thing that " quickly " comes to mind concerning your questions above is that malefics in the Ashtakvarg system are considered to be those planets who have less than 4 points in their ashtakavarga, so therefore they throw aspects on more houses and planets " benefically " rather than " malefically " when they are malefic, so their ability to do harm is lessened considerably - which is in serious contrast to the " blind " statement that traditional vedic jyotishis consider. So because malefics aspect benefically in the ashtakavarga system, they lose their effectiveness as malefics, therefore their malefic power is ineffective and seriously weakened ....HOWEVER... Something inside of me tells me you are looking for something MUCH deeper than this " simple " answer...So back to the Lessons I go.... ;-) ~Namaste~ Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2000 Report Share Posted October 4, 2000 Dear Krushna and List Members, Just to clarify what I said below, and take it a bit further, (thinking out loud again ;-)) I wanted to add the following: In the Ashtakavarga System, the malefics always aspect benefically and benefics always aspect malefically as stated below. Mars and Saturn are considered the " natural " malefics, and both give more malefic points in their ashtakavarga (57 malefic points.) So when they are malefic and posited in a dusthana, they " spoil " the results of the malefic house they are in, which is good, however, they give good results to the houses they aspect, which is great. So all around, the effects are good, because they spoil the bad effects of the dusthanas and increase the good effects of the houses they aspect. So in summation, figuring the " natural " malefic aspects of Mars and Saturn in dusthanas, the effects are as follows: Mars in the 6th: Benefic effects also affect the 9th, 12th and 1st. Mars in the 8th: Benefic results also in the 11th, 2nd, and 3rd. Mars in the 12th: Benefic results also in the 3rd, 6th, and 7th. Saturn in the 6th: Benefic results in the 8th, 12th and 3rd. Saturn in the 8th: Benefic effects in the 10th, 2nd, and 5th. Saturn in the 12th: Benefic effects in the 2nd, 6th, and 9th. So here, depending on the dusthana positions of Mars and Saturn, we can't help but notice the " benefic " effects (by way of aspect) to the other dusthanas when a malefic is posited in a dusthana. ~Namaste~ Sandy > Dear Krushna, > > > Dear Sandy > > These answers are given in all the text on the subject, I want the roots > of > > these statements,which are hidden in the Astakvarg system. If you study > the > > same I think you can find the answer. > > You said : when malefics are posited in dusthana....weakens or destroys > > effectiveness to cause harm.... My question again Why such thing happens? > > Why they loose effectiveness? > > krushna > > You say the roots of these statements are " hidden " in the Astakvarg > system...So I guess I'll have to study more and read between the lines of > the Lessons you have so generously provided to us, because the only thing > that " quickly " comes to mind concerning your questions above is that > malefics in the Ashtakvarg system are considered to be those planets who > have less than 4 points in their ashtakavarga, so therefore they throw > aspects on more houses and planets " benefically " rather than " malefically " > when they are malefic, so their ability to do harm is lessened > considerably - which is in serious contrast to the " blind " statement that > traditional vedic jyotishis consider. > > So because malefics aspect benefically in the ashtakavarga system, they lose > their effectiveness as malefics, therefore their malefic power is > ineffective and seriously weakened ....HOWEVER... Something inside of me > tells me you are looking for something MUCH deeper than this " simple " > answer...So back to the Lessons I go.... ;-) > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2000 Report Share Posted October 4, 2000 Dear Krushnaji , { same I think you can find the answer. > > You said : when malefics are posited in dusthana....weakens or destroys > > effectiveness to cause harm.... My question again Why such thing happens? > > Why they loose effectiveness? ) > > krushna For example when malefic Saturn is in dustana in 6th house with more than 4 points , the aspects upon 8th , 12th ( disease , death ) and 3rd ( younger bro , right arm etc ) will be the most likely indications .. Best regards , Swee - Sandy Crowther <sandy 04 October 2000 14:39 Re: Re: Some Questions > Dear Krushna, > > > Dear Sandy > > These answers are given in all the text on the subject, I want the roots > of > > these statements,which are hidden in the Astakvarg system. If you study > the > > same I think you can find the answer. > > You said : when malefics are posited in dusthana....weakens or destroys > > effectiveness to cause harm.... My question again Why such thing happens? > > Why they loose effectiveness? > > krushna > > You say the roots of these statements are " hidden " in the Astakvarg > system...So I guess I'll have to study more and read between the lines of > the Lessons you have so generously provided to us, because the only thing > that " quickly " comes to mind concerning your questions above is that > malefics in the Ashtakvarg system are considered to be those planets who > have less than 4 points in their ashtakavarga, so therefore they throw > aspects on more houses and planets " benefically " rather than " malefically " > when they are malefic, so their ability to do harm is lessened > considerably - which is in serious contrast to the " blind " statement that > traditional vedic jyotishis consider. > > So because malefics aspect benefically in the ashtakavarga system, they lose > their effectiveness as malefics, therefore their malefic power is > ineffective and seriously weakened ....HOWEVER... Something inside of me > tells me you are looking for something MUCH deeper than this " simple " > answer...So back to the Lessons I go.... ;-) > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2000 Report Share Posted October 5, 2000 Dear Krushna, There is one question I have asked about three times and as yet I have not received a true answer. Could you please help on this matter - the question I give below. After we have completed the worksheet and got the order of the lanets according to their points at row 17, we are able (although we sometimes find it difficult) to choose which planet we should use for the sub-period of the event. Freom here it becomes more difficult. Can you give us a systematic way in which we should choose the two planets from which we can narrow down the period for the event? In the first instance it was said that " normally the two planets with the next highest points score were " usually " chosen. However this has not been the case often in the examples we have seen. In one case one of the 2 was a planet with more points than the sub-period planet but which was disqualified from being the sub-period planet. In another case one of the planets was in fact the same planet which had been chosen as the sub-period planet ( although it was acting as sandharmi planet). The second planet chosen on that occasion was the 3rd highest point scorer. While I admit that getting it to a sub-period of a particular planet is probably better than I have been previously able to achieve it would be better if I was able to complete your method with more reliability. Your method for choosing the sub-period planet started out as a comlex set of rules to be followed but finished as a much easier to use worksheet (even before it was automated by Sanjay and Visti). Is there any way in which the proves for selecting the planets to reduce the actual event could be given as a set of rules to follow. Namaste, Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2000 Report Share Posted October 5, 2000 Dear Swee and all list members, You are some what nearer to the answer. The longevity is judged from 3rd = house 'A' 8th = house 'B' and 12th = house 'C'. If we take all these house and calculate the points in row 17 of the work sheet, the significator having max points can give the result for house 'B'. This is our law. Now if Saturn in sixth house( one of dustana) aspects all these houses A,B,C so it is disqualified to give death, until some special case,(lord ship of house D or E), Means it gives aspicious result, or benefic results. This is hint, Now find out answer for other planets and other questions. Again I say ashtakvarg is the root of all vedic astrology, and all the laws given in the text. When we apply the ashtakvarg system it means we apply all the laws (knowing or unknowingly) of vedic astrolgy. I would request every member to study the system in this way. You may not have to know all the laws ( except some special matters) but automatically you are applying them. In each and every step we are doing in the system there is a scientific reason. Others, who apply all the laws, may forget some, or may get confused when two things are contradictory in nature. My expectation is that every member must be acquented with the system , and should know that this nothing but a short cut to apply all the laws of vedic astrology. It is not a miracle, or some thing different then astrology. krushna > " Swee Chan " <swee > > >Re: Re: Some Questions >Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:16:27 +0100 > >Dear Krushnaji , > >{ same I think you can find the answer. > > > You said : when malefics are posited in dusthana....weakens or >destroys > > > effectiveness to cause harm.... My question again Why such thing >happens? > > > Why they loose effectiveness? ) > > > krushna > >For example when malefic Saturn is in dustana in 6th house with >more than 4 points , the aspects upon 8th , 12th ( disease , death ) >and 3rd ( younger bro , right arm etc ) will be the most likely indications >. > >Best regards , > >Swee > > >- >Sandy Crowther <sandy > >04 October 2000 14:39 >Re: Re: Some Questions > > > > Dear Krushna, > > > > > Dear Sandy > > > These answers are given in all the text on the subject, I want the >roots > > of > > > these statements,which are hidden in the Astakvarg system. If you >study > > the > > > same I think you can find the answer. > > > You said : when malefics are posited in dusthana....weakens or >destroys > > > effectiveness to cause harm.... My question again Why such thing >happens? > > > Why they loose effectiveness? > > > krushna > > > > You say the roots of these statements are " hidden " in the Astakvarg > > system...So I guess I'll have to study more and read between the lines >of > > the Lessons you have so generously provided to us, because the only >thing > > that " quickly " comes to mind concerning your questions above is that > > malefics in the Ashtakvarg system are considered to be those planets who > > have less than 4 points in their ashtakavarga, so therefore they throw > > aspects on more houses and planets " benefically " rather than > " malefically " > > when they are malefic, so their ability to do harm is lessened > > considerably - which is in serious contrast to the " blind " statement >that > > traditional vedic jyotishis consider. > > > > So because malefics aspect benefically in the ashtakavarga system, they >lose > > their effectiveness as malefics, therefore their malefic power is > > ineffective and seriously weakened ....HOWEVER... Something inside of me > > tells me you are looking for something MUCH deeper than this " simple " > > answer...So back to the Lessons I go.... ;-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2000 Report Share Posted October 7, 2000 Respected Krushnaji, I have tried to figure out the answers to your questions and relate these to the AV system only. I am not considering the luminaries but will try to answer about the other planets, 1. Why is Jupiter said to spoil the results of the house where it sits? - Jupiter is a powerful natural benefic. This means that it normally gets more than 4 points in its AV. However, Jupiter always aspects house C. This means that not only is it disqualified (except when it is the lord of D or E) from giving the results, it also loses points in its strength in the worksheet because of the malefic aspect. In a few charts, where Jupiter has less than 4 points, it would give a benefic aspect but these cases are likely to be less. 2. Why are natural benefics supposed to be bad in Kendras? - Again, natural benefics usually have more than 4 points. This means that their aspect on the kendra being aspected will be negative. Since kendras are the more important houses for action, a negative aspect causes more problems here than on other houses. 3. Why are natural malefics good in dusthana or Upchay houses? - Let us take Saturn first. Since it has usually less than 4 points, Saturn becomes a powerful significator for the 3rd house from where it is situated as it would aspects all houses A B C for that house. For example, Saturn in 1st aspects 3, 7 and 10, which are houses ABC for the 3rd house. While it gets a lot of points, it is denied from giving the results because of its strong aspect. However, this does not prevent its Samdharmi planets from giving results. And the high strength of Saturn protects these houses. So a Saturn with less than 4 points is good in all houses for the 3rd from it but specifically in the 6th house, it stops being the significator of death. I still do not understand why is it only good when it is in dusthana or Upchay houses but that might be because some houses are considered to be more important than others. But as Saturn is the significator of longevity, its being in the 6th house protects longevity. However, there does not seem to be any special significance of its being in the other dusthanas. Similarly, Mars usually has less than 4 points. But it aspects only 2 out of three houses if we count the 12th from it as house B. So Mars in 6th would aspect houses A and C for house 5 being B. So Mars in 6th house with 3 points or less would spoil the results of the 6th house but will give strength to 5th house matters even though it does not give the results directly. Similarly, in the 8th house, it would spoil the 8th house result but give strength to the 7th house and in the 12th house, it would give strength to the 11th. I must confess that this does not seem to be the whole explanation to me. We need you to tell us whether we are thinking along the right track or somehow we need to shift to a different level. I also think that the laws that natural malefics in Kendras or dusthanas or in Upchay sthans are good and benefics in Kendras are bad are not applicable in all cases. Please give us the correct reason so that we can progress further. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Thursday, October 05, 2000 7:41 PM Re: Re: Some Questions > Dear Swee and all list members, > You are some what nearer to the answer. The longevity is judged from 3rd = > house 'A' 8th = house 'B' and 12th = house 'C'. If we take all these house > and calculate the points in row 17 of the work sheet, the significator > having max points can give the result for house 'B'. This is our law. > Now if Saturn in sixth house( one of dustana) aspects all these houses A,B,C > so it is disqualified to give death, until some special case,(lord ship of > house D or E), Means it gives aspicious result, or benefic results. > This is hint, Now find out answer for other planets and other questions. > Again I say ashtakvarg is the root of all vedic astrology, and all the laws > given in the text. When we apply the ashtakvarg system it means we apply all > the laws (knowing or unknowingly) of vedic astrolgy. > I would request every member to study the system in this way. You may not > have to know all the laws ( except some special matters) but automatically > you are applying them. In each and every step we are doing in the system > there is a scientific reason. Others, who apply all the laws, may forget > some, or may get confused when two things are contradictory in nature. > My expectation is that every member must be acquented with the > system , and should know that this nothing but a short cut to apply all the > laws of vedic astrology. It is not a miracle, or some thing different then > astrology. > krushna > > > > " Swee Chan " <swee > > > > > >Re: Re: Some Questions > >Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:16:27 +0100 > > > >Dear Krushnaji , > > > >{ same I think you can find the answer. > > > > You said : when malefics are posited in dusthana....weakens or > >destroys > > > > effectiveness to cause harm.... My question again Why such thing > >happens? > > > > Why they loose effectiveness? ) > > > > krushna > > > >For example when malefic Saturn is in dustana in 6th house with > >more than 4 points , the aspects upon 8th , 12th ( disease , death ) > >and 3rd ( younger bro , right arm etc ) will be the most likely indications > >. > > > >Best regards , > > > >Swee > > > > > >- > >Sandy Crowther <sandy > > > >04 October 2000 14:39 > >Re: Re: Some Questions > > > > > > > Dear Krushna, > > > > > > > Dear Sandy > > > > These answers are given in all the text on the subject, I want the > >roots > > > of > > > > these statements,which are hidden in the Astakvarg system. If you > >study > > > the > > > > same I think you can find the answer. > > > > You said : when malefics are posited in dusthana....weakens or > >destroys > > > > effectiveness to cause harm.... My question again Why such thing > >happens? > > > > Why they loose effectiveness? > > > > krushna > > > > > > You say the roots of these statements are " hidden " in the Astakvarg > > > system...So I guess I'll have to study more and read between the lines > >of > > > the Lessons you have so generously provided to us, because the only > >thing > > > that " quickly " comes to mind concerning your questions above is that > > > malefics in the Ashtakvarg system are considered to be those planets who > > > have less than 4 points in their ashtakavarga, so therefore they throw > > > aspects on more houses and planets " benefically " rather than > > " malefically " > > > when they are malefic, so their ability to do harm is lessened > > > considerably - which is in serious contrast to the " blind " statement > >that > > > traditional vedic jyotishis consider. > > > > > > So because malefics aspect benefically in the ashtakavarga system, they > >lose > > > their effectiveness as malefics, therefore their malefic power is > > > ineffective and seriously weakened ....HOWEVER... Something inside of me > > > tells me you are looking for something MUCH deeper than this " simple " > > > answer...So back to the Lessons I go.... ;-) > > > > > > ~Namaste~ > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2000 Report Share Posted October 9, 2000 > Respected Yadavji, > > I had sent this on the list address but then I realized that you want a copy > to be sent to your private email also. Please advise if I am thinking in the > right direction. > > Kind regards > Sanjay > > > I saw from your mail to Peter that you are working very hard and are very > short of time. If I can do anything to share the work, please let me know. > It would be an honor. > > Kind regards > > > Saturday, October 07, 2000 4:06 PM > Re: Re: Some Questions > > > > Dear Sanjay: I will put the answer in block letters > > I have tried to figure out the answers to your questions and relate these > to > > the AV system only. I am not considering the luminaries but will try to > > answer about the other planets, > > > > 1. Why is Jupiter said to spoil the results of the house where it sits? > > > > - Jupiter is a powerful natural benefic. This means that it normally gets > > more than 4 points in its AV. However, Jupiter always aspects house C. >This means that not only is it disqualified (except when it is the lord of D or > > E) from giving the results, it also loses points in its strength in the > > worksheet because of the malefic aspect. In a few charts, where Jupiter > has less than 4 points, it would give a benefic aspect but these cases are > > likely to be less. > >YOU ARE CORRECT, WHEN ANY PLANET ASPECTS 'A','B', OR HOUSE 'C' IT IS DISQUALIFIED TO GIVE RESULT ( BAD OR GOOD) . JUPITER IN HOUSE 'B' ASPECTS HOUSE 'C' SO IT DO NOT GIVE THE RESULT. SO WHEN WE ARE CONSURNED WITH JUPITER IT DO NOT GIVE THE RESULT FOR THE HOUSE IN WHICH IT IS SITUATED. > > 2. Why are natural benefics supposed to be bad in Kendras? > > > > - Again, natural benefics usually have more than 4 points. This means that > > their aspect on the kendra being aspected will be negative. Since kendras > > are the more important houses for action, a negative aspect causes more > > problems here than on other houses. YOU ARE CORRECT MOSTLY THE NATURAL BENEFICS ARE WITH MORE THEN 4 POINTS. ACTUALLY THE MOST BAD RESULT IS IF IT IS TO DO SOME THING WITH LIFE OR HEALTH. ALL BENEFIC PLANETS EXCEPT JUPITER HAVE ONLY 7TH SIGHT. THE HOUSE WHICH ARE DEAL WITH LIFE AND HEALTH FACTOR ARE 3RD = 'A' 8TH = 'B' AND 12TH = 'C' , THE BENEFIC PLANETS IN KEDRA DONT HAVE SIGHT ON THESE HOUSES, ( EXCEPT JUPITER IN 7TH) SO THEY ARE NOT DISQUALIFIED TO GIVE THE RESULT, AND JUPITER IN 7TH MEANS IT IS IN 12TH FROM 8TH HOUSE SO AGAIN CAN GIVE BAD RESULT. THUS ALL BENEFICS IN KENDRA CAN GIVE BAD RESULT FOR LIFE AND HEALTH. > > > > 3. Why are natural malefics good in dusthana or Upchay houses? > > MOSTLY SATURN AND MARS IF SITUATED IN DUSTANA WILL ASPECT MINIMUM ONE OF THE 3RD, 8TH AND 12 TH HOUSE. SAME IS IN UPCHAY STAN. SO CAN NOT GIVE RESULT FOR 8TH HOUSE. SO IT IS SAID THEY ARE GOOD IN THOSE HOUSE. > > - Let us take Saturn first. Since it has usually less than 4 points, > Saturn > > becomes a powerful significator for the 3rd house from where it is > situated > > as it would aspects all houses A B C for that house. For example, Saturn > in > > 1st aspects 3, 7 and 10, which are houses ABC for the 3rd house. While it > > gets a lot of points, it is denied from giving the results because of its > > strong aspect. However, this does not prevent its Samdharmi planets from > > giving results. And the high strength of Saturn protects these houses. So > a > > Saturn with less than 4 points is good in all houses for the 3rd from it > but > > specifically in the 6th house, it stops being the significator of death. I > > still do not understand why is it only good when it is in dusthana or > Upchay > > houses but that might be because some houses are considered to be more > > important than others. But as Saturn is the significator of longevity, its > > being in the 6th house protects longevity. However, there does not seem to > > be any special significance of its being in the other dusthanas. > > > > Similarly, Mars usually has less than 4 points. But it aspects only 2 out > of > > three houses if we count the 12th from it as house B. So Mars in 6th would > > aspect houses A and C for house 5 being B. So Mars in 6th house with 3 > > points or less would spoil the results of the 6th house but will give > > strength to 5th house matters even though it does not give the results > > directly. Similarly, in the 8th house, it would spoil the 8th house result > > but give strength to the 7th house and in the 12th house, it would give > > strength to the 11th. > > > > I must confess that this does not seem to be the whole explanation to me. > We > > need you to tell us whether we are thinking along the right track or > somehow > > we need to shift to a different level. > > > > I also think that the laws that natural malefics in Kendras or dusthanas > or > > in Upchay sthans are good and benefics in Kendras are bad are not > applicable > > in all cases. > > > > Please give us the correct reason so that we can progress further. > >YES YOU HAVE UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM VERY NICELY. MORE STUDY WILL MAKE YOU PERFACT. ON THE SAME PRINCIPLES SUN IN 4TH IN LIBRA SIGN IS SAID TO BE HAVING NO 'DOSHA' OR DEFECT, AND MOON IN FIFTH HOUSE IN SCORPIO ALSO EXAMPTED OF BEING IN NICH RASHI. THEIR SIGHT ON TENTH AND ELEVENTH RESPECTIVELY IS GOOD. ( NOT CONSIDERING THE POINTS) THOSE BEING IN THE NICH RASHI, THEIR SIGHT ON THE PROMINENT PLACES I.E. 10TH AND 11TH ENHANCES THE RESULT OF THOSE HOUSES. > > > > > >THANKS KRUSHNA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Dear Jignesh and Mumbaikars, Please contact Manu Batura of our list. He is located in Mumbai. He is very good and adept in KAS methodology, if you all want to get- together to learn KAS. You can contact Manu at : manubatura manubatura at dot com And the mikes over to you Manu. :-) Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Indian Husbands <indianhusbands wrote: > > Dear All, > > Pranam, > > I am pursuing astrology as a hobby, I am regularly reading the discussions in this group from past 2 months. I have also downloaded the KAS 3.0 V. And currently I am reading the lessons too. I am finding these as an eye opener to certain unanswered questions that I encountered while studying previous methods. > > Meanwhile I was curious to know about how is a role of retrograde planet decided by our method? (That is to say what effect will it give benefic/malefic with given points and house etc, Which Chapter discusses this?) > > Further there was one interesting discussion some days back on physical separation and legal divorce as two different entities. I would humbly request information on which house should one take as the main house and accordingly the upachayas. > > I am enjoying the study at my pace, but, Further, *If possible then*, I would like to enhance my skills by spending time and discussing the methods in person with any of the team members in mumbai who are ready to spend time. Are there any such local meets? > > Sorry for the trouble, awaiting guidance. > > Kind Regards, > > Jinesh Zaveri. > Mumbai. > > > ======= > > " A devotee of truth may not do anything in deference to convention. He must always hold himself open to correction, and whenever he discovers himself to be wrong he must confess it all costs and atone for it. " > - Mahatma Gandhi in " My Experiments with Truth " Part 4 – Chapter 39. > > Also Visit My Blog http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com post your comments > Major Sites: www.saveindianfamily.org, www.mynation.net, www.498a.org. > > > Mumbai helpline: 9224 335577 > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Oh really, I did not imagine that there would be a ray of hope in mumbai. Thanks a ton Ashji. Kind Regards, Jinesh. , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Jignesh and Mumbaikars, > > Please contact Manu Batura of our list. He is located in Mumbai. > He is very good and adept in KAS methodology, if you all want to get- > together to learn KAS. > > You can contact Manu at : manubatura > > manubatura at dot com > > And the mikes over to you Manu. :-) > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , Indian Husbands > <indianhusbands@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Pranam, > > > > I am pursuing astrology as a hobby, I am regularly reading the > discussions in this group from past 2 months. I have also downloaded > the KAS 3.0 V. And currently I am reading the lessons too. I am > finding these as an eye opener to certain unanswered questions that > I encountered while studying previous methods. > > > > Meanwhile I was curious to know about how is a role of > retrograde planet decided by our method? (That is to say what effect > will it give benefic/malefic with given points and house etc, Which > Chapter discusses this?) > > > > Further there was one interesting discussion some days back on > physical separation and legal divorce as two different entities. I > would humbly request information on which house should one take as > the main house and accordingly the upachayas. > > > > I am enjoying the study at my pace, but, Further, *If possible > then*, I would like to enhance my skills by spending time and > discussing the methods in person with any of the team members in > mumbai who are ready to spend time. Are there any such local meets? > > > > Sorry for the trouble, awaiting guidance. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Jinesh Zaveri. > > Mumbai. > > > > > > ======= > > > > " A devotee of truth may not do anything in deference to > convention. He must always hold himself open to correction, and > whenever he discovers himself to be wrong he must confess it all > costs and atone for it. " > > - Mahatma Gandhi in " My Experiments with Truth " Part 4 – Chapter > 39. > > > > Also Visit My Blog http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com post your > comments > > Major Sites: www.saveindianfamily.org, www.mynation.net, > www.498a.org. > > > > > > Mumbai helpline: 9224 335577 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 dear Ash is there any member in chennai! i read chapters at my own pace due to other ventures. i do read the mails posted here but it does not register at times as there are no charts on display alongwith with the reasoning. one has to cast the hc and keep coming back to the group to keep track of the chart under analysis. mahalakshmi Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Hi Jinesh, Ash, and list members, This is a good idea. We can create a Mumbai group here. Jinesh, you are the first to request this from Mumbai. If there are atleast 4 more people who are interested to get together to learn KAS, we can trigger this. We can plan the details of how we want to proceed after that. Other list members, let me know if you are also interested. Thanks & Regards, Manu , " indianhusbands " <indianhusbands wrote: > > Oh really, > > I did not imagine that there would be a ray of hope in mumbai. Thanks > a ton Ashji. > > Kind Regards, > > Jinesh. > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jignesh and Mumbaikars, > > > > Please contact Manu Batura of our list. He is located in Mumbai. > > He is very good and adept in KAS methodology, if you all want to > get- > > together to learn KAS. > > > > You can contact Manu at : manubatura@ > > > > manubatura at dot com > > > > And the mikes over to you Manu. :-) > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , Indian Husbands > > <indianhusbands@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Pranam, > > > > > > I am pursuing astrology as a hobby, I am regularly reading the > > discussions in this group from past 2 months. I have also > downloaded > > the KAS 3.0 V. And currently I am reading the lessons too. I am > > finding these as an eye opener to certain unanswered questions that > > I encountered while studying previous methods. > > > > > > Meanwhile I was curious to know about how is a role of > > retrograde planet decided by our method? (That is to say what > effect > > will it give benefic/malefic with given points and house etc, Which > > Chapter discusses this?) > > > > > > Further there was one interesting discussion some days back on > > physical separation and legal divorce as two different entities. I > > would humbly request information on which house should one take as > > the main house and accordingly the upachayas. > > > > > > I am enjoying the study at my pace, but, Further, *If possible > > then*, I would like to enhance my skills by spending time and > > discussing the methods in person with any of the team members in > > mumbai who are ready to spend time. Are there any such local meets? > > > > > > Sorry for the trouble, awaiting guidance. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Jinesh Zaveri. > > > Mumbai. > > > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > " A devotee of truth may not do anything in deference to > > convention. He must always hold himself open to correction, and > > whenever he discovers himself to be wrong he must confess it all > > costs and atone for it. " > > > - Mahatma Gandhi in " My Experiments with Truth " Part 4 – Chapter > > 39. > > > > > > Also Visit My Blog http://indianhusbands.blogspot.com post your > > comments > > > Major Sites: www.saveindianfamily.org, www.mynation.net, > > www.498a.org. > > > > > > > > > Mumbai helpline: 9224 335577 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Dear Harjeet, Sorry to intervene, but i think this relates to comparing two charts of male and a female like relation of Venus with Saturn and Rahu and relation of Mars with Saturn and Rahu.This can be taken Asc on Asc and sign on sign. I read this in some archives actually. Regards Anup harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: Dear Ashji,you can answer when you have free time.i was going through archives and i found you asking Krushnaji...mars is the barometer for females.. does it gets affected by rahu orsaturn in the chart of female...i couldnt find the answer for this. if you can throw some light.thanks/regardsharjeet Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Dear Anup, No, mars is the barometer for females. does it gets spoiled or goes out of control kind of thing if in the female's chart her own rahu or saturn aspects it ? just like in male chart venus > 43 and aspected by saturn or luminary aspected by saturn spoils it. thanks/regards harjeet , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Sorry to intervene, but i think this relates to comparing two charts of male and a female like relation of Venus with Saturn and Rahu and relation of Mars with Saturn and Rahu.This can be taken Asc on Asc and sign on sign. > I read this in some archives actually. > > Regards > Anup > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > Dear Ashji, > you can answer when you have free time. > > i was going through archives and i found you asking Krushnaji... > mars is the barometer for females.. does it gets affected by rahu or > saturn in the chart of female... > i couldnt find the answer for this. if you can throw some light. > thanks/regards > harjeet > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on TV. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Harjeet, Here,we are can take aspect of these on each other chart. Regards Anup harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: Dear Anup,No, mars is the barometer for females. does it gets spoiled or goesout of control kind of thing if in the female's chart her own rahu orsaturn aspects it ?just like in male chart venus > 43 and aspected by saturn or luminaryaspected by saturn spoils it.thanks/regardsharjeet , "Anup. M"<dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Harjeet,> > Sorry to intervene, but i think this relates tocomparing two charts of male and a female like relation of Venus withSaturn and Rahu and relation of Mars with Saturn and Rahu.This can betaken Asc on Asc and sign on sign.> I read this in some archives actually.> > Regards> Anup> > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote:> Dear Ashji,> you can answer when you have free time.> > i was going through archives and i found you asking Krushnaji...> mars is the barometer for females.. does it gets affected by rahu or> saturn in the chart of female...> i couldnt find the answer for this. if you can throw some light.> thanks/regards> harjeet> > > > > > > > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview thehottest shows on TV.> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Dear Anup and Harjeet, Mars is barometer for female and Venus is for male. That is one thing. Other is matching of chart, so that’s when u consider Sa and Ra aspect to Mars of female and mars of female aspecting Ve of male. That is for attraction between the couple. Venus is also venusian quality in a person be it so male or female. So if those qualities are spoilt then that is different thing. Also see the aspect of Ju on Venus as well if its spoilt. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of harjeet bakshi Tuesday September 11, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: some questions Dear Anup, No, mars is the barometer for females. does it gets spoiled or goes out of control kind of thing if in the female's chart her own rahu or saturn aspects it ? just like in male chart venus > 43 and aspected by saturn or luminary aspected by saturn spoils it. thanks/regards harjeet , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > Sorry to intervene, but i think this relates to comparing two charts of male and a female like relation of Venus with Saturn and Rahu and relation of Mars with Saturn and Rahu.This can be taken Asc on Asc and sign on sign. > I read this in some archives actually. > > Regards > Anup > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > Dear Ashji, > you can answer when you have free time. > > i was going through archives and i found you asking Krushnaji... > mars is the barometer for females.. does it gets affected by rahu or > saturn in the chart of female... > i couldnt find the answer for this. if you can throw some light. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > > > > > > > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on TV. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Dear Anup, may be i am not able to explain my question. just consider female chart. i am not seeing compatibility or attraction rules. so just in individual chart of a female. her mars being aspected by her own saturn or rahu.. in her own chart would spoil it or not ? thanks/regards harjeet , " Anup. M " <dalh_1 wrote: > > Harjeet, > > Here,we are can take aspect of these on each other chart. > > Regards > Anup > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > Dear Anup, > No, mars is the barometer for females. does it gets spoiled or goes > out of control kind of thing if in the female's chart her own rahu or > saturn aspects it ? > just like in male chart venus > 43 and aspected by saturn or luminary > aspected by saturn spoils it. > > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " Anup. M " > <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > Sorry to intervene, but i think this relates to > comparing two charts of male and a female like relation of Venus with > Saturn and Rahu and relation of Mars with Saturn and Rahu.This can be > taken Asc on Asc and sign on sign. > > I read this in some archives actually. > > > > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > Dear Ashji, > > you can answer when you have free time. > > > > i was going through archives and i found you asking Krushnaji... > > mars is the barometer for females.. does it gets affected by rahu or > > saturn in the chart of female... > > i couldnt find the answer for this. if you can throw some light. > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the > hottest shows on TV. > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Respected Priyaji, My DOB is April 9, 1968, TOB 12.15 noon, POB Chandigarh, India. 1. I have been following your upaya's for sade sati. I'll be entering into the last phase of sade sati in September and was wondering if there are any specific upaya's for my horoscope. 2. Which are my beneficial planet's who's items I should not gift? And which are the maelefic? 3. Does my horoscope contain Nag KalSarp dosh and pitri rin? Is the horoscope nablig? If yes, how to improve? 4. Does it have ruchak and gaj kesari yog - how to improve these? 5. Who is my Isht devta? Thanks in advance for your guidance. Regards Manveen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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