Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Satish, Feel free to answer as you choose. I am also studying the same. Krushanji has given some hints and Sanjay Jaggia had good explanation. The most basic thing is that if a planet Aspects ABC house, then than that planet itself cannot give the results. Based on that law itself and considering Health so 6th, 1st and 10th, and Longevity 8th, 3rd and 12th house are to be considered. Basic -> Mars situated in any house will aspect House A and Ju situated in any house will always aspect House C. So Generally both will disqualify from giving result of the house they are placed in. Keep in mind the exceptions. 6th house Mars in 6th will aspect 1st LoA. Sa in 6th will aspect 3rd, 8th and 12th so ABC for death. 8th house Sa in 8th house will aspect 10th house so LoC for 6th Ma in 8th house will aspect 3rd house LoA for death. 12th house. Ma in 12th will aspect 7th or LoA Sa in 12th will aspect 6th house LoB. Upachaya sthan. 3rd house. Sa in 3rd will aspect 12th house so LoC for death. Ma in 3rd will aspect 10th house and 6th house so LoB and LoC for health. 6th house Sa in 6th will aspect ABC for death Ma in 6th house will aspect LoC for death and LoA for 6th health. 10th house. Ma in 10th house will aspect 1st so LoA for 6th Sa in 10th will aspect LoC for death i.e 12th house. 11th house Ma will aspect 6th house LoB for 6th Sa will aspect LoB for death i.e. 8th house. Note : Mars is peculiar planet. If it has less than 4 bindus then it will increase the power in Karak sthan i.e 8th aspect. So say MArs has 3 bindus and is in 6th house so it will aspect 1st house with +5 offsetting. Similarly if MARs is with +6 in 6th house and so it will aspect with -6 to 1st house reducing the power in its karak sthan. So natural malefics in 6th, 8th and 12th are good and also in upachy sthan. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Excellent questions. My understanding of benefic and > malefic ( natural) is that from jyotish perspective > malefic is one that harms health and longevity. I am > not sure whether most of jyotish literature was based > on this fundamental area of life , i.e. health and > longevity. So from that perspective we should look at > most of these dicta. > > So we should answer these questions from that > perspective first and then move onto the generic > principles for any bhava. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group > > started and he also > > said that if a person finds the answer to those > > question will have > > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic > > Astrology. > > Here are some interesting mails from the archives. > > > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that thread, > > its really very > > interesting. > > > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message 319. > > > > > /message/319 > > > /message/331 > > > /message/342 > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Satish, Mars itself is natural lord of 1st and 8th in kalpurush chart. Infact it denotes blood generation. If Mars is powerful in a chart then such people do not fall sick often or if they fall sick then their recovery is very fast. Mars is karak for 6th i.e .natural karak and also for 1st house self as 8th lord. So why will Mars harm health. Infact if Mars is in 6th house itself will not be able to give result both good or bad means that way its good as being a natural malefic IF it can cause harm then its still defunct based on our first first law that planets when they aspect house A, B and C they themselves become defunct to furnish the result. Maybe I have not understood your question in that case please ignore this mail. I have written or given my attempt in my previous mail. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Excellent questions. My understanding of benefic and > malefic ( natural) is that from jyotish perspective > malefic is one that harms health and longevity. I am > not sure whether most of jyotish literature was based > on this fundamental area of life , i.e. health and > longevity. So from that perspective we should look at > most of these dicta. > > So we should answer these questions from that > perspective first and then move onto the generic > principles for any bhava. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group > > started and he also > > said that if a person finds the answer to those > > question will have > > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic > > Astrology. > > Here are some interesting mails from the archives. > > > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that thread, > > its really very > > interesting. > > > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message 319. > > > > > /message/319 > > > /message/331 > > > /message/342 > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Ash, Mars is malefic. When it is in 6th it harms your enemies( 6th is Ripu staan). Secondly it aspects 12th so thats is house C for 8th so won't give harm to the native from health and longevity standpoint. Mars does affect health, based on house it resides and sign it resides in in my experience. Infact look for charts with mars and saturn say in 12th sign or 11th sign, If both signs have mars and shani, like shani in meeean and mars in kumbha, you will invariably notice problems in leg/feet, fracture etc. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Mars itself is natural lord of 1st and 8th in > kalpurush chart. Infact > it denotes blood generation. If Mars is powerful in > a chart then such > people do not fall sick often or if they fall sick > then their recovery > is very fast. > > Mars is karak for 6th i.e .natural karak and also > for 1st house self > as 8th lord. > > So why will Mars harm health. Infact if Mars is in > 6th house itself > will not be able to give result both good or bad > means that way its > good as being a natural malefic IF it can cause harm > then its still > defunct based on our first first law that planets > when they aspect > house A, B and C they themselves become defunct to > furnish the result. > > Maybe I have not understood your question in that > case please ignore > this mail. > > I have written or given my attempt in my previous > mail. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Excellent questions. My understanding of benefic > and > > malefic ( natural) is that from jyotish > perspective > > malefic is one that harms health and longevity. I > am > > not sure whether most of jyotish literature was > based > > on this fundamental area of life , i.e. health and > > longevity. So from that perspective we should look > at > > most of these dicta. > > > > So we should answer these questions from that > > perspective first and then move onto the generic > > principles for any bhava. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group > > > started and he also > > > said that if a person finds the answer to those > > > question will have > > > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic > > > Astrology. > > > Here are some interesting mails from the > archives. > > > > > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that > thread, > > > its really very > > > interesting. > > > > > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message > 319. > > > > > > > > > /message/319 > > > > > > /message/331 > > > > > > /message/342 > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Satish, This is good discussion. Thanks. I will reply below in CAPS. SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Dear Ash, Mars is malefic. When it is in 6th it harms your enemies( 6th is Ripu staan). ASH : CAN YOU GIVE SOME SCIENTIFIC REASON AS TO WHY MARS IN 6TH HARMS YOUR ENEMIES? OR IS IT THAT IT GIVES ONE / SELF MORE POWER TO OVERCOME ENEMIES.? THERE MUST BE SOME LOGIC TO THIS SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT PORTION. I AGREE THAT 6TH IS RIPU STHAN. Secondly it aspects 12th so thats is house C for 8th so won't give harm to the native from health and longevity standpoint. ASH : CORRECT. SO ITSELF CAN'T GIVE RESULTS UNLESS THERE IS AN EXCEPTION OF LOD AND LOE. Mars does affect health, based on house it resides and sign it resides in in my experience. Infact look for charts with mars and saturn say in 12th sign or 11th sign, If both signs have mars and shani, like shani in meeean and mars in kumbha, you will invariably notice problems in leg/feet, fracture etc. ASH : YES, HERE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FRACTURE BUT THAT IS 7TH HOUSE MATTER WHAT WE CALL ACCIDENT. I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT TAKE CHARTS OF SA IN PISCES OR MARS IN AQUARIUS SO AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE THEY MIGHT HAVE FRACTURE OR PROBLEMS IN LEG/FEET SO THAT IS SORT OF STATIC RESULT LIKE WE ARE SAYING THAT JU CREATES PROBLEM IN MARRIAGE OR VENUS IN KIRRITKA OR SUCH LAWS SO THAT IS DIFFERENT. HERE I AM TALKING FROM TIMING OF EVENT POINT OF VIEW. SO IN THOSE CHARTS THAT HAVE SUCH YOG'S LIKE SA IN PISCES OR MA IN AQU THEN THERE IS MORE PROBABILITY TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH FRACTURE OR FEET BUT WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN AND IN WHO'S ANTRA IT MIGHT BE THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT TOPIC. SO HERE I AM JUST TRYING TO SEE PHILOSOPHY OF THAT. YES I HAVE READ IN BOOKS THAT SA IN 12TH MEANS SUCH AND SUCH THING OR BENEFICS IN PARICULAR HOUSE MEANS MOLES OR BIRTH MARKS LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE LIKE STATIC YOGS. SO THE LOGIC BEHIND SAYING MALEFICS IN DUSHTANA OR UPACHAYA ARE GOOD THEN HERE THERE IS SOLID REASON FROM THE VIEW POINT OF HEALTH AND LONGEVITY. OR WHY BENEFICS IN KENDRA ARE NOT GOOD I BELEIVE THE NAME GIVEN IS KENDRA PATI DOSH. BUT HERE IS A LOGIC. IS THERE SOME OTHER LOGIC THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN SHARE FOR SUCH PHENOMENON. IT WILL BE GOOD TO UNDERSTAND THAT. CHEERS !!! ASH -> http://www.ashtro.ca Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Mars itself is natural lord of 1st and 8th in > kalpurush chart. Infact > it denotes blood generation. If Mars is powerful in > a chart then such > people do not fall sick often or if they fall sick > then their recovery > is very fast. > > Mars is karak for 6th i.e .natural karak and also > for 1st house self > as 8th lord. > > So why will Mars harm health. Infact if Mars is in > 6th house itself > will not be able to give result both good or bad > means that way its > good as being a natural malefic IF it can cause harm > then its still > defunct based on our first first law that planets > when they aspect > house A, B and C they themselves become defunct to > furnish the result. > > Maybe I have not understood your question in that > case please ignore > this mail. > > I have written or given my attempt in my previous > mail. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Excellent questions. My understanding of benefic > and > > malefic ( natural) is that from jyotish > perspective > > malefic is one that harms health and longevity. I > am > > not sure whether most of jyotish literature was > based > > on this fundamental area of life , i.e. health and > > longevity. So from that perspective we should look > at > > most of these dicta. > > > > So we should answer these questions from that > > perspective first and then move onto the generic > > principles for any bhava. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group > > > started and he also > > > said that if a person finds the answer to those > > > question will have > > > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic > > > Astrology. > > > Here are some interesting mails from the > archives. > > > > > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that > thread, > > > its really very > > > interesting. > > > > > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message > 319. > > > > > > > > > /message/319 > > > > > > /message/331 > > > > > > /message/342 > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Satish, Why do you attribute Mars and Saturn as Natural Malefic? (we have discussed this from KAS view point) but am curious to understand if there is any reasoning give as to why Ma and Sa are considered Natural Malefics using some other view. Can you share your thoughts and others also please feel free to join, I think we all will only gain from this discussion. Krushanji has told that if we get to the bottom of all this we will all become experts in Jyotish :-) Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Dear Ash, Mars is malefic. When it is in 6th it harms your enemies( 6th is Ripu staan). Secondly it aspects 12th so thats is house C for 8th so won't give harm to the native from health and longevity standpoint. Mars does affect health, based on house it resides and sign it resides in in my experience. Infact look for charts with mars and saturn say in 12th sign or 11th sign, If both signs have mars and shani, like shani in meeean and mars in kumbha, you will invariably notice problems in leg/feet, fracture etc. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Mars itself is natural lord of 1st and 8th in > kalpurush chart. Infact > it denotes blood generation. If Mars is powerful in > a chart then such > people do not fall sick often or if they fall sick > then their recovery > is very fast. > > Mars is karak for 6th i.e .natural karak and also > for 1st house self > as 8th lord. > > So why will Mars harm health. Infact if Mars is in > 6th house itself > will not be able to give result both good or bad > means that way its > good as being a natural malefic IF it can cause harm > then its still > defunct based on our first first law that planets > when they aspect > house A, B and C they themselves become defunct to > furnish the result. > > Maybe I have not understood your question in that > case please ignore > this mail. > > I have written or given my attempt in my previous > mail. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Excellent questions. My understanding of benefic > and > > malefic ( natural) is that from jyotish > perspective > > malefic is one that harms health and longevity. I > am > > not sure whether most of jyotish literature was > based > > on this fundamental area of life , i.e. health and > > longevity. So from that perspective we should look > at > > most of these dicta. > > > > So we should answer these questions from that > > perspective first and then move onto the generic > > principles for any bhava. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group > > > started and he also > > > said that if a person finds the answer to those > > > question will have > > > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic > > > Astrology. > > > Here are some interesting mails from the > archives. > > > > > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that > thread, > > > its really very > > > interesting. > > > > > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message > 319. > > > > > > > > > /message/319 > > > > > > /message/331 > > > > > > /message/342 > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Satish, Why do you attribute Mars and Saturn as Natural Malefic? (we have discussed this from KAS view point) but I will be curious to understand if there is any reasoning give as to why Ma and Sa are considered Natural Malefics using some other view. Can you share your thoughts and others also please feel free to join, I think we all will only gain from this discussion. Krushanji has told that if we get to the bottom of all this we will all become experts in Jyotish :-) Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Mars is malefic. When it is in 6th it harms your > enemies( 6th is Ripu staan). Secondly it aspects 12th > so thats is house C for 8th so won't give harm to the > native from health and longevity standpoint. Mars does > affect health, based on house it resides and sign it > resides in in my experience. Infact look for charts > with mars and saturn say in 12th sign or 11th sign, If > both signs have mars and shani, like shani in meeean > and mars in kumbha, you will invariably notice > problems in leg/feet, fracture etc. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Mars itself is natural lord of 1st and 8th in > > kalpurush chart. Infact > > it denotes blood generation. If Mars is powerful in > > a chart then such > > people do not fall sick often or if they fall sick > > then their recovery > > is very fast. > > > > Mars is karak for 6th i.e .natural karak and also > > for 1st house self > > as 8th lord. > > > > So why will Mars harm health. Infact if Mars is in > > 6th house itself > > will not be able to give result both good or bad > > means that way its > > good as being a natural malefic IF it can cause harm > > then its still > > defunct based on our first first law that planets > > when they aspect > > house A, B and C they themselves become defunct to > > furnish the result. > > > > Maybe I have not understood your question in that > > case please ignore > > this mail. > > > > I have written or given my attempt in my previous > > mail. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Excellent questions. My understanding of benefic > > and > > > malefic ( natural) is that from jyotish > > perspective > > > malefic is one that harms health and longevity. I > > am > > > not sure whether most of jyotish literature was > > based > > > on this fundamental area of life , i.e. health and > > > longevity. So from that perspective we should look > > at > > > most of these dicta. > > > > > > So we should answer these questions from that > > > perspective first and then move onto the generic > > > principles for any bhava. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group > > > > started and he also > > > > said that if a person finds the answer to those > > > > question will have > > > > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic > > > > Astrology. > > > > Here are some interesting mails from the > > archives. > > > > > > > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that > > thread, > > > > its really very > > > > interesting. > > > > > > > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message > > 319. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /message/319 > > > > > > > > > > /message/331 > > > > > > > > > > /message/342 > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Ash, When I started out in jyotish, the answer was , because it is so and it is what is said by BPHS. Looking deeper into it I can not say I have the answer but I can try surmising. Firstly from the highest level BPHS says all the 9 grahas are avataars of vishnu and as such there is no such a thing as malefic and benefic as they all in their own way are distributing the fruits of ones karma. Mangal in his way and nature, guru in his way and shukra in his way. As a simplistic model one can say benefics give you results of your good karma and malefics the results of your bad karma. As one can not move ahead until karma is exhausted both malefic and benefic per say are doing you a favor( So everything is benefic) Now coming to why mars is natural malefic ans shani natural malefic. Thats a very hard question. If one assumes that from amaterial standpoint, only health/longevity and happiness are benefic then, shani gets debilited in the 1st house so it is malefic and mangal gets debilited in 4th house ( sukha staan) so they are malefic. Shani gets exalted in 7th a maraka staan. Guru gets exalted in 4th so benefic, Shukra gets debilited in 6th so benefic. Now how far this conjecture is true, I do not know. Why is guru dasha 16 years and sun only 6 ? I do not know, these are taken as postulates I guess. Satish --- Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Why do you attribute Mars and Saturn as Natural > Malefic? (we have discussed this from KAS view > point) but am curious to understand if there is any > reasoning give as to why Ma and Sa are considered > Natural Malefics using some other view. > > Can you share your thoughts and others also please > feel free to join, I think we all will only gain > from this discussion. Krushanji has told that if we > get to the bottom of all this we will all become > experts in Jyotish :-) > > Cheers !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear All, I think, we not only get the vibrations ..may be its small impact but ....smone has given us the softer which run according to the timinng of all 7 planets arround us..and give the results accordingly, like 12th house from house B misunderstood as 12th in chart Am i wrong? KAS is pure and intact from contemporary astrology, what i think from this discussion. Regards ANUP Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Satish, Why do you attribute Mars and Saturn as Natural Malefic? (we have discussed this from KAS view point) but am curious to understand if there is any reasoning give as to why Ma and Sa are considered Natural Malefics using some other view. Can you share your thoughts and others also please feel free to join, I think we all will only gain from this discussion. Krushanji has told that if we get to the bottom of all this we will all become experts in Jyotish :-) Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Dear Ash, Mars is malefic. When it is in 6th it harms your enemies( 6th is Ripu staan). Secondly it aspects 12th so thats is house C for 8th so won't give harm to the native from health and longevity standpoint. Mars does affect health, based on house it resides and sign it resides in in my experience. Infact look for charts with mars and saturn say in 12th sign or 11th sign, If both signs have mars and shani, like shani in meeean and mars in kumbha, you will invariably notice problems in leg/feet, fracture etc. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Mars itself is natural lord of 1st and 8th in > kalpurush chart. Infact > it denotes blood generation. If Mars is powerful in > a chart then such > people do not fall sick often or if they fall sick > then their recovery > is very fast. > > Mars is karak for 6th i.e .natural karak and also > for 1st house self > as 8th lord. > > So why will Mars harm health. Infact if Mars is in > 6th house itself > will not be able to give result both good or bad > means that way its > good as being a natural malefic IF it can cause harm > then its still > defunct based on our first first law that planets > when they aspect > house A, B and C they themselves become defunct to > furnish the result. > > Maybe I have not understood your question in that > case please ignore > this mail. > > I have written or given my attempt in my previous > mail. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Excellent questions. My understanding of benefic > and > > malefic ( natural) is that from jyotish > perspective > > malefic is one that harms health and longevity. I > am > > not sure whether most of jyotish literature was > based > > on this fundamental area of life , i.e. health and > > longevity. So from that perspective we should look > at > > most of these dicta. > > > > So we should answer these questions from that > > perspective first and then move onto the generic > > principles for any bhava. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group > > > started and he also > > > said that if a person finds the answer to those > > > question will have > > > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic > > > Astrology. > > > Here are some interesting mails from the > archives. > > > > > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that > thread, > > > its really very > > > interesting. > > > > > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message > 319. > > > > > > > > > /message/319 > > > > > > /message/331 > > > > > > /message/342 > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Satish, Very nice email. Thank you Satish. Why Ju has 16 years and Sun has 6 etc all those exact calculations Krushanji has given in his book. There is proper mathematical calculations for that on how you arrive at those figures. Please don't ask me to give that as I still have to digest that information. I got the concept but I still have to put it all together in my mind. But rest assured there is a proper calculation to arrive at those numbers. No philosophy there just pure mathematics and basics. You have written and summarized rest of the points well. I will write on those in subsequent mails from KAS view point so that might make more meaning. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > When I started out in jyotish, the answer was , > because it is so and it is what is said by BPHS. > Looking deeper into it I can not say I have the answer > but I can try surmising. > > Firstly from the highest level BPHS says all the 9 > grahas are avataars of vishnu and as such there is no > such a thing as malefic and benefic as they all in > their own way are distributing the fruits of ones > karma. Mangal in his way and nature, guru in his way > and shukra in his way. As a simplistic model one can > say benefics give you results of your good karma and > malefics the results of your bad karma. As one can not > move ahead until karma is exhausted both malefic and > benefic per say are doing you a favor( So everything > is benefic) > > Now coming to why mars is natural malefic ans shani > natural malefic. Thats a very hard question. If one > assumes that from amaterial standpoint, only > health/longevity and happiness are benefic then, shani > gets debilited in the 1st house so it is malefic and > mangal gets debilited in 4th house ( sukha staan) so > they are malefic. Shani gets exalted in 7th a maraka > staan. Guru gets exalted in 4th so benefic, Shukra > gets debilited in 6th so benefic. Now how far this > conjecture is true, I do not know. > > Why is guru dasha 16 years and sun only 6 ? I do not > know, these are taken as postulates I guess. > > Satish > --- Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Why do you attribute Mars and Saturn as Natural > > Malefic? (we have discussed this from KAS view > > point) but am curious to understand if there is any > > reasoning give as to why Ma and Sa are considered > > Natural Malefics using some other view. > > > > Can you share your thoughts and others also please > > feel free to join, I think we all will only gain > > from this discussion. Krushanji has told that if we > > get to the bottom of all this we will all become > > experts in Jyotish :-) > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2007 Report Share Posted April 27, 2007 Dear Satish, Let me write below each of your points in CAPS. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > When I started out in jyotish, the answer was , > because it is so and it is what is said by BPHS. ASH : YES, AND I THINK EVERYONE HAS GONE THROUGH THAT INCLUDING MYSELF. NO EXPLANATION WAS GIVEN AS TO WHY. AND OVER TIME I FOUND THAT SA ANTRA AND MA ANTRA SOMETIMES GAVE FANTASTIC RESULTS AND JU GAVE SUCH HORRIBLE RESULTS SO ..... WE MOVE ON THE TO THE NEXT STAGE OF EVOLUTION I GUESS.............. EACH IN THEIR OWN SORT OF WAY.... > Looking deeper into it I can not say I have the answer ASH: FROM KAS POINTS OF VIEW, SINCE THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS BASED ON A MATHEMATICAL MODEL, GETTING POWER OF PLANETS GIVEN TO US IN A NUMERICAL FORMAT WHICH IS STATIC AND CAN'T BE CHANGED AND THOSE ARE DERIVED FROM A CONCRETE SET OF RULES BASED ON STANDARD VA. AND THIS ENTIRE MODEL STARTS FROM BHINA ASHTAKAVARGA CHART GIVEN TO US BY THE MAHARISHIS. SO IN THAT MARS AND SATURN IS ALLOCATED ONLY 39 BINDUS OR POSITIVE POINT I.E. IT CAN MAKE ONLY 39 GOOD ASSOCIATIONS WITH RESPECT TO OTHER PLANETS. SO MARS IF HE IS IN 1ST, 3RD, 6TH, 10TH AND 11TH ONLY THEN HE CAN GET 1 POINT MEANS A FAVORABLE YOG OR A BENEFIC POINT. FROM SUN IF MARS IS IN 3RD, 5TH, 6TH, 10TH AND 11TH THEN ONLY MARS GETS 1 BINDU. SO MARS AND SUN IN 5:9 MEANS MARS GETS 1 BENEFIC POINT OR ITS GOOD IN THAT POSITION. IF MARS IS IN 3RD, 6TH OR 11TH FROM MOON ONLY THEN ITS MAKING A FAVORABLE YOG WITH MOON. SO THERE ARE ONLY 39 POINTS ALLOCATED TO MARS TO MAKE A FAVORABLE YOG. SIMILARLY FOR SATURN WHO ALSO GETS 39 BINDUS. SATURN IS THE ONLY PLANET THAT CAN GET A 0 POINT FOR THE PLACE IT IS IN. NO OTHER PLANET CAN GET THAT. IN COMPARISON JUPITER HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS SO EVERYONE IN THEIR BROTHER CAN HELP JUPITER SO GENERALLY JU HAS SO MANY POINTS IN THEIR SAV OR SAY MOSTLY IT HAS MORE THAN 4 BINDUS. ON THE OTHER HAND MA AND SA SINCE THEY HAVE ONLY 39 BINDUS SO MOSTLY THEY GET ONLY LESS THAN 4 BINDUS. BUT IF U COMPARE ALL THE BINDUS THAT MAHARISIHI HAVE ALLOCATED TO ALL PLANETS MOON = 49 SUN = 48 MARS = 39 MERCURY = 54 JUPITER = 56 VENUS = 52 SATURN = 39 SO JU WITH 56 POINTS WE CAN SAY A BENEFIC AS IT CAN MAKE SO MANY GOOD YOGS AND CAN GET GOOD BACKING EASILY AS COMPARED TO SA AND MA. SUN HAS 48 POINTS SO BORDERLINE SO ITS NOT MALEFIC BUT ITS CRUEL.. OR KRUR.... SO THE MAHARISHIS MIGHT HAVE CALLED MARS AND SATURN AS NATURAL MALEFICS, JU,VE AND ME AS NATURAL BENEFICS MOON IS 49 SO BENEFIC AND SUN IS NEUTRAL SO KRUR OR CRUEL BUT NOT MALEFIC. SO THIS IS THE SCIENTIFIC APPROACH WITHOUT ANY PHILOSOPHY OR ANOTHER SCIENTIFIC WAY TO LOOK AT THIS OR ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. > but I can try surmising. > > Firstly from the highest level BPHS says all the 9 > grahas are avataars of vishnu and as such there is no > such a thing as malefic and benefic as they all in > their own way are distributing the fruits of ones > karma. Mangal in his way and nature, guru in his way > and shukra in his way. As a simplistic model one can > say benefics give you results of your good karma and > malefics the results of your bad karma. As one can not > move ahead until karma is exhausted both malefic and > benefic per say are doing you a favor( So everything > is benefic) ASH : VERY NICE ANALOGY GIVEN SATISH. THIS IS HOW OUR KARMA UNFOLDS. THAT IS WHAT WE GET FROM OUR WS WHEN WE GET COMBINED EFFECT OF ALL PLANETS. THE BASIS OF THAT IS THE SAV. SO SAY IF MARS AND SATURN HAVE 3 BINDUS AND THEY HAVE A PLANET WHO IS NOT THE 6TH LORD IN 4TH FROM THEM THEN THEY WILL BECOME VERY POWERFUL AND THAT ONE CAN EXPERIENCE IN THEIR CHART AS IN THE WS THEY WILL GET POWERFUL FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. THIS CAN BE EASILY CHECKED IN CHARTS. AT THE SAME TIME, IF A POWERFUL BENEFIC IS IN 7TH HOUSE FORM SOME PLANET MEANS A PLANET WITH MORE THAN 4 BINDUS THEN IT WILL TAKE OFF THE POWER OF THE OTHER PLANET. SO SUCH RESULTS CAN BE SEEN DURING THE ANTRA OF THE PLANET. YES, NOW WHY THE PLANETS ARE IN A PARTICULAR POSITION AT BIRTH THAT MIGHT BE HOW YOUR KARMA UNFOLDS AS FROM THAT WE CAN GET THE SAV I.E. PLANETS MAKING RELATION TO OTHER PLANETS AND THE COMBINED EFFECT IS SAV. > > Now coming to why mars is natural malefic ans shani > natural malefic. Thats a very hard question. If one > assumes that from amaterial standpoint, only > health/longevity and happiness are benefic then, shani > gets debilited in the 1st house so it is malefic and > mangal gets debilited in 4th house ( sukha staan) so > they are malefic. Shani gets exalted in 7th a maraka > staan. Guru gets exalted in 4th so benefic, Shukra > gets debilited in 6th so benefic. Now how far this > conjecture is true, I do not know. > ASH: ACTUALLY, AS PER KAS, WE SAY THAT MANY UNCCHA STHAN PLANETS OR IN MT SPOILT THE STATUS OF THE CHART. THE TRADITIONAL WAY OF THINKING IS THAT UNCHAA PLANETS ENHANCE THE STATUS. SO JUST WE DID PARVEZ MUSHARAF'S CHART, SO IN HIS CHART NOT A SINGLE PLANET IS IN UNCCHA STHAN, EXCEPT MOON AND THAT TOO MOON IS KRISHNA PAX SO MORE MALEFIC. PRABHU RAM'S CHART HAS SO MANY PLANETS IN UNCCHA STHAN BUT JUST SEE HIS LIFE, HE LOST HIS FATHER, WIFE, CHILDREN HAD TO FACE SO MANY OBSTACLES. SO A PERSON GETS THINGS OR MAY GET THINGS BUT AT A VERY HIGH COST. SO AS PER KAS WE SAY THAT ITS BETTER TO HAVE PLANETS IN NEECHA RASI AND WITH LESS THAN 3 BINDUS, AND IN SUCH CASES THE STATUS OF THE CHART ENHANCES. THIS MIGHT GO OPPOSITE EVERY GRAIN OF WHAT TRADITIONALISTS THINK EH............ OR SAY MIGHT FIND HARD TO ACCEPT. SO HERE GIVING A CONCRETE REASON WHICH IS 1) PLANETS WHEN THEY ASPECT A SIGN THEY DO NOT GIVE RESULT, BUT IF THEY HAVE MORE BINDUS AND IN UNCCHA RASI THEN THEY WILL BE GOOD FOR THE HOUSE THEY ARE IN BUT AT THE SAME TIME ASPECT THE 7TH HOUSE MALEFICALLY AND IF THEY ARE IN UNCCHA THEN THEIR ASPECT IS WORST AND WILL ALSO SPOIL THE QUALITY. CASE : PRABHU RAM'S CHART, JU WITH MOON IN UNCCHA SO THAT IS SELF. TODAY RAM PRABHU IS KNOWN FOR AN IDEAL MAN, BUT AT WHAT COST, SO THAT IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, SO THE COST IS FATHER, 9TH ASPECT, WIFE, 7TH ASPECT AND CHILDREN 5TH ASPECT. NOTE HERE JU IS 6TH LORD AS WELL. SO IF U FOCUS ON 1 ASPECT THEN JU IN UNCCHA RASI WITH MORE BINDUS AND WITH MOON IS GOOD FOR 1ST HOUSE BUT THE COST HE HAD TO PAY TO GET THAT WAS VERY HARSH, SO THAT IS WHAT IS MEANT HERE THAT IT NOT ONLY MADE FATHER SICK BUT IT DEPARTED THE RESULTS OF THE HOUSE IT ASPECTED OR SAY DESTROYED IT. > Why is guru dasha 16 years and sun only 6 ? I do not > know, these are taken as postulates I guess. ASH : THAT I HAVE ADDRESSED IN MY PREVIOUS MAIL. > > Satish > --- Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Why do you attribute Mars and Saturn as Natural > > Malefic? (we have discussed this from KAS view > > point) but am curious to understand if there is any > > reasoning give as to why Ma and Sa are considered > > Natural Malefics using some other view. > > > > Can you share your thoughts and others also please > > feel free to join, I think we all will only gain > > from this discussion. Krushanji has told that if we > > get to the bottom of all this we will all become > > experts in Jyotish :-) > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala, Dadhi, Manu and members, I would like to share my thoughts on the questions given by our Guruji Shri Krushna ji long back. While analysing the questions sometimes I may be wrong so it is requested to all of you to correct me wherever I go wrong. Ans. to question no.1 In a chart all of us know that house 6,8 and 12 are called duhsthaan . Why ? Because all these three houses signifies the bad event. House 6 is for enemy, diseases, debts, House 8 is for death, sorrow and House 12 is for hospitalisation, imprisonment, expenditures and losses So these houses are called trik houses In astakvarga Ma and Sa has the lowest SAV points 39 each so they are malefics. On the other hand Ju, Me and Ve gets 56, 54 and 52 points so those are benefic planets. We know that malefics in duhsthaan are good. Malefics houses give bad results.Any planet residing in these houses loose their strength, whether those planets are natural malefic or natural benefic. Therefore if Ma and Sa sits in these houses they loose their strength of doing bad so they become bennfics in these houses. Likewise if benefic planets are occupying these houses they also loose their strength of doing good so they are bad in these houses. Now in the context of astakvarga Ma and Sa normally get < 4 bindus in BAV so their aspect will be benefic. Ma is NK of 1st and 6th house. Ma in 6h will aspect 1st when 6th is B so Ma will not give the result of 6th and likewise Ma in 8th will aspect house 3rd who is house A for the matter of 8th so Ma again will be eliminated from the event of 8th. Ma and Sa both residing in 6th will aspect house 12th which is C house for 8th as B.Therefore in this case both of these planets become good for dusthaan due its placement. Same way if Ma is placed in 12th then also he will cast his aspect on 3rd, the house of life.So it is a saving grace for the native of chart by Ma. Similarly Sa in 6th will aspect 8th and 12th so he will also not give the timing during its antara. Sa by placement in 8th will cast his benefic aspect on 2nd house which is 12th of 3rd and 2nd from 7th i.e. dhansthann of 7th, thereby increasing the longevity of the native. Sa in 12th house also aspect 2nd so doing good for 2nd house. Sa is NK for parakram bhava and sukh bhava. When Sa is in 8th then he is in house E for 3rd and in house C for 4th thereby becomes good significator of parakram and sukh bhava. In a natural zodiac Sa become LoD for 1st and occupy karaksthaan . So we say that natural malefics are good in duhsthaan. Ans.to question no.2 We know that house 3,6,10 an 11 are called upchaya sthaan. This is similar to DBCE from A. Upchaya means growth. When malefics sit in these houses then the significations of these house flourish. House 3 and 11 are called Kaam trikone house. Kaam is nothing but the desire of the native. A person can not do anything if he does not have any desire to do. Kaam only aspire the native to do something for his livelyhood and thereafter gain something ( 6 and 10). House 6 and 10 is the dhan trikone. We earn dhan by putting our best parakram and gain something . Nk for 6th is Ma. If Ma is in 3rd , then he will aspect 6 and 10 house so these is good for Ma to be here to how his parakram, fight ( 6th) for livelihood (10). LoA for 6th is in house D and aspect house C. Similarly we may interpret Ma in 6th,10 th and 11th house for benefic result. Now for Sa . Sa is the karak for 3rd and 4th. Sa is labour who helps Ma ( Energy, Parakram and fighting). Sa in 3rd house means karak for 3rd is in parakram sthaan and cast his sight on house D. Ma and Sa in 3 rd means it is in house D for 6, in house E for 10th and in house C for 11th.Thereby establishes its relationship between all DBCE. That is why we say DBCE in increasing order means good proress of houses and thus all these houses flouruishes. Similarly we can interpret placement of Sa and Ma in 6th,10th and 11th house who always give benefic results. For the time being let me know whether I am going correct or am I writin only bullsheets. I will try to answer other questions after verifying my approach. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Satish, Feel free to answer as you choose. I am also studying the same. Krushanji has given some hints and Sanjay Jaggia had good explanation. The most basic thing is that if a planet Aspects ABC house, then than that planet itself cannot give the results. Based on that law itself and considering Health so 6th, 1st and 10th, and Longevity 8th, 3rd and 12th house are to be considered. Basic -> Mars situated in any house will aspect House A and Ju situated in any house will always aspect House C. So Generally both will disqualify from giving result of the house they are placed in. Keep in mind the exceptions. 6th house Mars in 6th will aspect 1st LoA. Sa in 6th will aspect 3rd, 8th and 12th so ABC for death. 8th house Sa in 8th house will aspect 10th house so LoC for 6th Ma in 8th house will aspect 3rd house LoA for death. 12th house. Ma in 12th will aspect 7th or LoA Sa in 12th will aspect 6th house LoB. Upachaya sthan. 3rd house. Sa in 3rd will aspect 12th house so LoC for death. Ma in 3rd will aspect 10th house and 6th house so LoB and LoC for health. 6th house Sa in 6th will aspect ABC for death Ma in 6th house will aspect LoC for death and LoA for 6th health. 10th house. Ma in 10th house will aspect 1st so LoA for 6th Sa in 10th will aspect LoC for death i.e 12th house. 11th house Ma will aspect 6th house LoB for 6th Sa will aspect LoB for death i.e. 8th house. Note : Mars is peculiar planet. If it has less than 4 bindus then it will increase the power in Karak sthan i.e 8th aspect. So say MArs has 3 bindus and is in 6th house so it will aspect 1st house with +5 offsetting. Similarly if MARs is with +6 in 6th house and so it will aspect with -6 to 1st house reducing the power in its karak sthan. So natural malefics in 6th, 8th and 12th are good and also in upachy sthan. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Excellent questions. My understanding of benefic and > malefic ( natural) is that from jyotish perspective > malefic is one that harms health and longevity. I am > not sure whether most of jyotish literature was based > on this fundamental area of life , i.e. health and > longevity. So from that perspective we should look at > most of these dicta. > > So we should answer these questions from that > perspective first and then move onto the generic > principles for any bhava. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group > > started and he also > > said that if a person finds the answer to those > > question will have > > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic > > Astrology. > > Here are some interesting mails from the archives. > > > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that thread, > > its really very > > interesting. > > > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message 319. > > > > > /message/319 > > > /message/331 > > > /message/342 > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Dear Ash and all, In continuation to my earlier posting I will go for question no .3. So far I did not hear any comment from any one. Ans. to question no.3. Natural Malefics in 10th house are good. Why ? 10th house of a chart is very powerful. In a kaalpurush chart Sa is karak for 3rd and 4th house and Ma is karak for 1st and 6th house. Ma is 10th house. When Ma is in 10th house, Karak is in house C for 6th and in house D for 1st. For 4th and 11th it is LoD. For 3rd and 8th it is LoE. So by placement in 10th it makes relationship with 3rd, 6th,10th and 11th houses all upchaya houses. This will aspect 1st, 4th and 5th house , houses of status, crown and residence and sukh bhava. Sa in 10th house. Sa is LoD for 1st and 2nd , LoE for 5th and 6th Sa is NK for 3rd and 4th. For 3rd it is in karak house and for 4th it is in 7th from 4th. Sa will aspect 12th, 4th and 7th, will give result according to points in SAV chart but as LoD and LoE it will always give good results. So we may say that natural malefics in 10th house are good. Ans to Q. 4 and 5 will be given in next sitting. Meanwhile please point out my mistakes and correct me. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala, Dadhi, Manu and members, I would like to share my thoughts on the questions given by our Guruji Shri Krushna ji long back. While analysing the questions sometimes I may be wrong so it is requested to all of you to correct me wherever I go wrong. Ans. to question no.1 In a chart all of us know that house 6,8 and 12 are called duhsthaan . Why ? Because all these three houses signifies the bad event. House 6 is for enemy, diseases, debts, House 8 is for death, sorrow and House 12 is for hospitalisation, imprisonment, expenditures and losses So these houses are called trik houses In astakvarga Ma and Sa has the lowest SAV points 39 each so they are malefics. On the other hand Ju, Me and Ve gets 56, 54 and 52 points so those are benefic planets. We know that malefics in duhsthaan are good. Malefics houses give bad results.Any planet residing in these houses loose their strength, whether those planets are natural malefic or natural benefic. Therefore if Ma and Sa sits in these houses they loose their strength of doing bad so they become bennfics in these houses. Likewise if benefic planets are occupying these houses they also loose their strength of doing good so they are bad in these houses. Now in the context of astakvarga Ma and Sa normally get < 4 bindus in BAV so their aspect will be benefic. Ma is NK of 1st and 6th house. Ma in 6h will aspect 1st when 6th is B so Ma will not give the result of 6th and likewise Ma in 8th will aspect house 3rd who is house A for the matter of 8th so Ma again will be eliminated from the event of 8th. Ma and Sa both residing in 6th will aspect house 12th which is C house for 8th as B.Therefore in this case both of these planets become good for dusthaan due its placement. Same way if Ma is placed in 12th then also he will cast his aspect on 3rd, the house of life.So it is a saving grace for the native of chart by Ma. Similarly Sa in 6th will aspect 8th and 12th so he will also not give the timing during its antara. Sa by placement in 8th will cast his benefic aspect on 2nd house which is 12th of 3rd and 2nd from 7th i.e. dhansthann of 7th, thereby increasing the longevity of the native. Sa in 12th house also aspect 2nd so doing good for 2nd house. Sa is NK for parakram bhava and sukh bhava. When Sa is in 8th then he is in house E for 3rd and in house C for 4th thereby becomes good significator of parakram and sukh bhava. In a natural zodiac Sa become LoD for 1st and occupy karaksthaan . So we say that natural malefics are good in duhsthaan. Ans.to question no.2 We know that house 3,6,10 an 11 are called upchaya sthaan. This is similar to DBCE from A. Upchaya means growth. When malefics sit in these houses then the significations of these house flourish. House 3 and 11 are called Kaam trikone house. Kaam is nothing but the desire of the native. A person can not do anything if he does not have any desire to do. Kaam only aspire the native to do something for his livelyhood and thereafter gain something ( 6 and 10). House 6 and 10 is the dhan trikone. We earn dhan by putting our best parakram and gain something . Nk for 6th is Ma. If Ma is in 3rd , then he will aspect 6 and 10 house so these is good for Ma to be here to how his parakram, fight ( 6th) for livelihood (10). LoA for 6th is in house D and aspect house C. Similarly we may interpret Ma in 6th,10 th and 11th house for benefic result. Now for Sa . Sa is the karak for 3rd and 4th. Sa is labour who helps Ma ( Energy, Parakram and fighting). Sa in 3rd house means karak for 3rd is in parakram sthaan and cast his sight on house D. Ma and Sa in 3 rd means it is in house D for 6, in house E for 10th and in house C for 11th.Thereby establishes its relationship between all DBCE. That is why we say DBCE in increasing order means good proress of houses and thus all these houses flouruishes. Similarly we can interpret placement of Sa and Ma in 6th,10th and 11th house who always give benefic results. For the time being let me know whether I am going correct or am I writin only bullsheets. I will try to answer other questions after verifying my approach. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Satish, Feel free to answer as you choose. I am also studying the same. Krushanji has given some hints and Sanjay Jaggia had good explanation. The most basic thing is that if a planet Aspects ABC house, then than that planet itself cannot give the results. Based on that law itself and considering Health so 6th, 1st and 10th, and Longevity 8th, 3rd and 12th house are to be considered. Basic -> Mars situated in any house will aspect House A and Ju situated in any house will always aspect House C. So Generally both will disqualify from giving result of the house they are placed in. Keep in mind the exceptions. 6th house Mars in 6th will aspect 1st LoA. Sa in 6th will aspect 3rd, 8th and 12th so ABC for death. 8th house Sa in 8th house will aspect 10th house so LoC for 6th Ma in 8th house will aspect 3rd house LoA for death. 12th house. Ma in 12th will aspect 7th or LoA Sa in 12th will aspect 6th house LoB. Upachaya sthan. 3rd house. Sa in 3rd will aspect 12th house so LoC for death. Ma in 3rd will aspect 10th house and 6th house so LoB and LoC for health. 6th house Sa in 6th will aspect ABC for death Ma in 6th house will aspect LoC for death and LoA for 6th health. 10th house. Ma in 10th house will aspect 1st so LoA for 6th Sa in 10th will aspect LoC for death i.e 12th house. 11th house Ma will aspect 6th house LoB for 6th Sa will aspect LoB for death i.e. 8th house. Note : Mars is peculiar planet. If it has less than 4 bindus then it will increase the power in Karak sthan i.e 8th aspect. So say MArs has 3 bindus and is in 6th house so it will aspect 1st house with +5 offsetting. Similarly if MARs is with +6 in 6th house and so it will aspect with -6 to 1st house reducing the power in its karak sthan. So natural malefics in 6th, 8th and 12th are good and also in upachy sthan. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Excellent questions. My understanding of benefic and > malefic ( natural) is that from jyotish perspective > malefic is one that harms health and longevity. I am > not sure whether most of jyotish literature was based > on this fundamental area of life , i.e. health and > longevity. So from that perspective we should look at > most of these dicta. > > So we should answer these questions from that > perspective first and then move onto the generic > principles for any bhava. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group > > started and he also > > said that if a person finds the answer to those > > question will have > > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic > > Astrology. > > Here are some interesting mails from the archives. > > > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that thread, > > its really very > > interesting. > > > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message 319. > > > > > /message/319 > > > /message/331 > > > /message/342 > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Dear Ramesh, I have given my attempt. I think Krushanji in his hint gave that health (health is wealth) and death (probably most feared event), if that is considered so then Natural Malefics in upchaya or in Dushtana they will aspect either of the ABC there by becoming defunct to give result. Please refer to my attempt. You are on the right track. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > In continuation to my earlier posting I will go for question no ..3. So far I did not hear any comment from any one. > Ans. to question no.3. > Natural Malefics in 10th house are good. Why ? > 10th house of a chart is very powerful. In a kaalpurush chart Sa is karak for 3rd and 4th house and Ma is karak for 1st and 6th house. > > Ma is 10th house. > When Ma is in 10th house, Karak is in house C for 6th and in house D for 1st. > For 4th and 11th it is LoD. > For 3rd and 8th it is LoE. > So by placement in 10th it makes relationship with 3rd, 6th,10th and 11th houses all upchaya houses. > This will aspect 1st, 4th and 5th house , houses of status, crown and residence and sukh bhava. > > Sa in 10th house. > Sa is LoD for 1st and 2nd , LoE for 5th and 6th > Sa is NK for 3rd and 4th. For 3rd it is in karak house and for 4th it is in 7th from 4th. > Sa will aspect 12th, 4th and 7th, will give result according to points in SAV chart but as LoD and LoE it will always give good results. > So we may say that natural malefics in 10th house are good. > Ans to Q. 4 and 5 will be given in next sitting. Meanwhile please point out my mistakes and correct me. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash, Anup, Satish, Bala, Dadhi, Manu and members, > I would like to share my thoughts on the questions given by our Guruji Shri Krushna ji long back. > While analysing the questions sometimes I may be wrong so it is requested to all of you to correct me wherever I go wrong. > > Ans. to question no.1 > > In a chart all of us know that house 6,8 and 12 are called duhsthaan .. Why ? > Because all these three houses signifies the bad event. > House 6 is for enemy, diseases, debts, > House 8 is for death, sorrow and > House 12 is for hospitalisation, imprisonment, expenditures and losses > So these houses are called trik houses > In astakvarga Ma and Sa has the lowest SAV points 39 each so they are malefics. > On the other hand Ju, Me and Ve gets 56, 54 and 52 points so those are benefic planets. > We know that malefics in duhsthaan are good. Malefics houses give bad results.Any planet residing in these houses loose their strength, whether those planets are natural malefic or natural benefic. > Therefore if Ma and Sa sits in these houses they loose their strength of doing bad so they become bennfics in these houses. > Likewise if benefic planets are occupying these houses they also loose their strength of doing good so they are bad in these houses. > Now in the context of astakvarga Ma and Sa normally get < 4 bindus in BAV so their aspect will be benefic. > Ma is NK of 1st and 6th house. Ma in 6h will aspect 1st when 6th is B so Ma will not give the result of 6th and likewise Ma in 8th will aspect house 3rd who is house A for the matter of 8th so Ma again will be eliminated from the event of 8th. > Ma and Sa both residing in 6th will aspect house 12th which is C house for 8th as B.Therefore in this case both of these planets become good for dusthaan due its placement. > Same way if Ma is placed in 12th then also he will cast his aspect on 3rd, the house of life.So it is a saving grace for the native of chart by Ma. > Similarly Sa in 6th will aspect 8th and 12th so he will also not give the timing during its antara. > Sa by placement in 8th will cast his benefic aspect on 2nd house which is 12th of 3rd and 2nd from 7th i.e. dhansthann of 7th, thereby increasing the longevity of the native. > Sa in 12th house also aspect 2nd so doing good for 2nd house. > Sa is NK for parakram bhava and sukh bhava. When Sa is in 8th then he is in house E for 3rd and in house C for 4th thereby becomes good significator of parakram and sukh bhava. > In a natural zodiac Sa become LoD for 1st and occupy karaksthaan . > So we say that natural malefics are good in duhsthaan. > > Ans.to question no.2 > > We know that house 3,6,10 an 11 are called upchaya sthaan. This is similar to DBCE from A. Upchaya means growth. When malefics sit in these houses then the significations of these house flourish. > House 3 and 11 are called Kaam trikone house. Kaam is nothing but the desire of the native. A person can not do anything if he does not have any desire to do. > Kaam only aspire the native to do something for his livelyhood and thereafter gain something ( 6 and 10). > House 6 and 10 is the dhan trikone. We earn dhan by putting our best parakram and gain something . > Nk for 6th is Ma. If Ma is in 3rd , then he will aspect 6 and 10 house so these is good for Ma to be here to how his parakram, fight ( 6th) for livelihood (10). > LoA for 6th is in house D and aspect house C. > Similarly we may interpret Ma in 6th,10 th and 11th house for benefic result. > Now for Sa . Sa is the karak for 3rd and 4th. Sa is labour who helps Ma ( Energy, Parakram and fighting). > Sa in 3rd house means karak for 3rd is in parakram sthaan and cast his sight on house D. > Ma and Sa in 3 rd means it is in house D for 6, in house E for 10th and in house C for 11th.Thereby establishes its relationship between all DBCE. > That is why we say DBCE in increasing order means good proress of houses and thus all these houses flouruishes. > Similarly we can interpret placement of Sa and Ma in 6th,10th and 11th house who always give benefic results. > For the time being let me know whether I am going correct or am I writin only bullsheets. > I will try to answer other questions after verifying my approach. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > Feel free to answer as you choose. I am also studying the same. > > Krushanji has given some hints and Sanjay Jaggia had good explanation. > > The most basic thing is that if a planet Aspects ABC house, then than > that planet itself cannot give the results. > > Based on that law itself and considering Health so 6th, 1st and 10th, > and Longevity 8th, 3rd and 12th house are to be considered. > > Basic -> Mars situated in any house will aspect House A and Ju > situated in any house will always aspect House C. > > So Generally both will disqualify from giving result of the house they > are placed in. Keep in mind the exceptions. > > 6th house > > Mars in 6th will aspect 1st LoA. > Sa in 6th will aspect 3rd, 8th and 12th so ABC for death. > > 8th house > > Sa in 8th house will aspect 10th house so LoC for 6th > Ma in 8th house will aspect 3rd house LoA for death. > > 12th house. > > Ma in 12th will aspect 7th or LoA > Sa in 12th will aspect 6th house LoB. > > Upachaya sthan. > > 3rd house. > > Sa in 3rd will aspect 12th house so LoC for death. > Ma in 3rd will aspect 10th house and 6th house so LoB and LoC for health. > > 6th house > > Sa in 6th will aspect ABC for death > Ma in 6th house will aspect LoC for death and LoA for 6th health. > > 10th house. > > Ma in 10th house will aspect 1st so LoA for 6th > Sa in 10th will aspect LoC for death i.e 12th house. > > 11th house > > Ma will aspect 6th house LoB for 6th > Sa will aspect LoB for death i.e. 8th house. > > Note : Mars is peculiar planet. If it has less than 4 bindus then it > will increase the power in Karak sthan i.e 8th aspect. So say MArs > has 3 bindus and is in 6th house so it will aspect 1st house with +5 > offsetting. Similarly if MARs is with +6 in 6th house and so it will > aspect with -6 to 1st house reducing the power in its karak sthan. > > So natural malefics in 6th, 8th and 12th are good and also in upachy > sthan. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Excellent questions. My understanding of benefic and > > malefic ( natural) is that from jyotish perspective > > malefic is one that harms health and longevity. I am > > not sure whether most of jyotish literature was based > > on this fundamental area of life , i.e. health and > > longevity. So from that perspective we should look at > > most of these dicta. > > > > So we should answer these questions from that > > perspective first and then move onto the generic > > principles for any bhava. > > > > Satish > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > Krushanji had asked this question when the group > > > started and he also > > > said that if a person finds the answer to those > > > question will have > > > understood the core of Ashtakavarg and Vedic > > > Astrology. > > > Here are some interesting mails from the archives. > > > > > > You can read all the discussion w.r.t that thread, > > > its really very > > > interesting. > > > > > > The Question is asked by Krushnaji in message 319. > > > > > > > > /message/319 > > > > > /message/331 > > > > > /message/342 > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks good explanations. Eventually we have to come to apoint where we have to say because it is so, i.e. take it as a postulate. One can say shani and mangal are malefic because they have least # of bindus in ashatakvarga. Why they have leat number of bindu or why they contribue only 39 , because it is so. Secondly I agree with the KAS view point about exalted planets. If my understanding is correct, exalted with more bindus is good or debilited with less bendus is good. When one sees charts with many exalted planets one has to read them from a different non materialistic perspective. People with exalted planets get enhanced results of the planets and not middling results. That is to a full extent( Good or bad). The results are more intese. Aslo these people are not as affected by it as others would. This would also depend on the strength of the 9th lord. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > Let me write below each of your points in CAPS. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > When I started out in jyotish, the answer was , > > because it is so and it is what is said by BPHS. > > ASH : YES, AND I THINK EVERYONE HAS GONE THROUGH > THAT INCLUDING > MYSELF. NO EXPLANATION WAS GIVEN AS TO WHY. AND > OVER TIME I FOUND > THAT SA ANTRA AND MA ANTRA SOMETIMES GAVE FANTASTIC > RESULTS AND JU > GAVE SUCH HORRIBLE RESULTS SO ..... WE MOVE ON THE > TO THE NEXT STAGE > OF EVOLUTION I GUESS.............. EACH IN THEIR OWN > SORT OF WAY.... > > > Looking deeper into it I can not say I have the > answer > > ASH: FROM KAS POINTS OF VIEW, SINCE THE WHOLE SYSTEM > IS BASED ON A > MATHEMATICAL MODEL, GETTING POWER OF PLANETS GIVEN > TO US IN A > NUMERICAL FORMAT WHICH IS STATIC AND CAN'T BE > CHANGED AND THOSE ARE > DERIVED FROM A CONCRETE SET OF RULES BASED ON > STANDARD VA. AND THIS > ENTIRE MODEL STARTS FROM BHINA ASHTAKAVARGA CHART > GIVEN TO US BY THE > MAHARISHIS. > > SO IN THAT MARS AND SATURN IS ALLOCATED ONLY 39 > BINDUS OR POSITIVE > POINT I.E. IT CAN MAKE ONLY 39 GOOD ASSOCIATIONS > WITH RESPECT TO OTHER > PLANETS. > > SO MARS IF HE IS IN 1ST, 3RD, 6TH, 10TH AND 11TH > ONLY THEN HE CAN GET > 1 POINT MEANS A FAVORABLE YOG OR A BENEFIC POINT. > > FROM SUN IF MARS IS IN 3RD, 5TH, 6TH, 10TH AND 11TH > THEN ONLY MARS > GETS 1 BINDU. SO MARS AND SUN IN 5:9 MEANS MARS > GETS 1 BENEFIC POINT > OR ITS GOOD IN THAT POSITION. > > IF MARS IS IN 3RD, 6TH OR 11TH FROM MOON ONLY THEN > ITS MAKING A > FAVORABLE YOG WITH MOON. > > SO THERE ARE ONLY 39 POINTS ALLOCATED TO MARS TO > MAKE A FAVORABLE YOG. > > SIMILARLY FOR SATURN WHO ALSO GETS 39 BINDUS. > > SATURN IS THE ONLY PLANET THAT CAN GET A 0 POINT FOR > THE PLACE IT IS > IN. NO OTHER PLANET CAN GET THAT. > > IN COMPARISON JUPITER HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS > SO EVERYONE IN > THEIR BROTHER CAN HELP JUPITER SO GENERALLY JU HAS > SO MANY POINTS IN > THEIR SAV OR SAY MOSTLY IT HAS MORE THAN 4 BINDUS. > > ON THE OTHER HAND MA AND SA SINCE THEY HAVE ONLY 39 > BINDUS SO MOSTLY > THEY GET ONLY LESS THAN 4 BINDUS. > > BUT IF U COMPARE ALL THE BINDUS THAT MAHARISIHI HAVE > ALLOCATED TO ALL > PLANETS > > MOON = 49 > SUN = 48 > MARS = 39 > MERCURY = 54 > JUPITER = 56 > VENUS = 52 > SATURN = 39 > > SO JU WITH 56 POINTS WE CAN SAY A BENEFIC AS IT CAN > MAKE SO MANY GOOD > YOGS AND CAN GET GOOD BACKING EASILY AS COMPARED TO > SA AND MA. > > SUN HAS 48 POINTS SO BORDERLINE SO ITS NOT MALEFIC > BUT ITS CRUEL.. OR > KRUR.... > > SO THE MAHARISHIS MIGHT HAVE CALLED MARS AND SATURN > AS NATURAL > MALEFICS, JU,VE AND ME AS NATURAL BENEFICS MOON IS > 49 SO BENEFIC AND > SUN IS NEUTRAL SO KRUR OR CRUEL BUT NOT MALEFIC. > > SO THIS IS THE SCIENTIFIC APPROACH WITHOUT ANY > PHILOSOPHY OR ANOTHER > SCIENTIFIC WAY TO LOOK AT THIS OR ANOTHER > PERSPECTIVE. > > > > > but I can try surmising. > > > > Firstly from the highest level BPHS says all the 9 > > grahas are avataars of vishnu and as such there is > no > > such a thing as malefic and benefic as they all in > > their own way are distributing the fruits of ones > > karma. Mangal in his way and nature, guru in his > way > > and shukra in his way. As a simplistic model one > can > > say benefics give you results of your good karma > and > > malefics the results of your bad karma. As one can > not > > move ahead until karma is exhausted both malefic > and > > benefic per say are doing you a favor( So > everything > > is benefic) > > ASH : VERY NICE ANALOGY GIVEN SATISH. THIS IS HOW > OUR KARMA UNFOLDS. > THAT IS WHAT WE GET FROM OUR WS WHEN WE GET COMBINED > EFFECT OF ALL > PLANETS. THE BASIS OF THAT IS THE SAV. > > SO SAY IF MARS AND SATURN HAVE 3 BINDUS AND THEY > HAVE A PLANET WHO IS > NOT THE 6TH LORD IN 4TH FROM THEM THEN THEY WILL > BECOME VERY POWERFUL > AND THAT ONE CAN EXPERIENCE IN THEIR CHART AS IN THE > WS THEY WILL GET > POWERFUL FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. > > THIS CAN BE EASILY CHECKED IN CHARTS. AT THE SAME > TIME, IF A POWERFUL > BENEFIC IS IN 7TH HOUSE FORM SOME PLANET MEANS A > PLANET WITH MORE THAN > 4 BINDUS THEN IT WILL TAKE OFF THE POWER OF THE > OTHER PLANET. SO SUCH > RESULTS CAN BE SEEN DURING THE ANTRA OF THE PLANET. > > YES, NOW WHY THE PLANETS ARE IN A PARTICULAR > POSITION AT BIRTH THAT > MIGHT BE HOW YOUR KARMA UNFOLDS AS FROM THAT WE CAN > GET THE SAV I.E. > PLANETS MAKING RELATION TO OTHER PLANETS AND THE > COMBINED EFFECT IS SAV. > > > > > Now coming to why mars is natural malefic ans > shani > > natural malefic. Thats a very hard question. If > one > > assumes that from amaterial standpoint, only > > health/longevity and happiness are benefic then, > shani > > gets debilited in the 1st house so it is malefic > and > > mangal gets debilited in 4th house ( sukha staan) > so > > they are malefic. Shani gets exalted in 7th a > maraka > > staan. Guru gets exalted in 4th so benefic, Shukra > > gets debilited in 6th so benefic. Now how far this > > conjecture is true, I do not know. > > > > ASH: ACTUALLY, AS PER KAS, WE SAY THAT MANY UNCCHA > STHAN PLANETS OR IN > MT SPOILT THE STATUS OF THE CHART. > > THE TRADITIONAL WAY OF THINKING IS THAT UNCHAA > PLANETS ENHANCE THE STATUS. > > SO JUST WE DID PARVEZ MUSHARAF'S CHART, SO IN HIS > CHART NOT A SINGLE > PLANET IS IN UNCCHA STHAN, EXCEPT MOON AND THAT TOO > MOON IS KRISHNA > PAX SO MORE MALEFIC. > > PRABHU RAM'S CHART HAS SO MANY PLANETS IN UNCCHA > STHAN BUT JUST SEE > HIS LIFE, HE LOST HIS FATHER, WIFE, CHILDREN HAD TO > FACE SO MANY > OBSTACLES. > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Dear Ash, Let me summarize. 1. A planet in any rashi with more than 4 points will be good for house he is in but will be bad for the house/s it aspects. If the rashi he is in is its sign of exaltation then the aspect will be even worse. 2. A planet in a rashi with less than 4 points will not be good to give result of house of its residence but will benefically aspect the houses it aspects. If such a planet with < 4 points is in its debilitation sign then it will be very beneficial to the sign/s it aspets but bad for the one it is in. Thanks Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Dear Satish, MY reply in CAPS below. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Dear Ash, Thanks good explanations. Eventually we have to come to apoint where we have to say because it is so, i.e. take it as a postulate. One can say shani and mangal are malefic because they have least # of bindus in ashatakvarga. Why they have leat number of bindu or why they contribue only 39 , because it is so. Secondly I agree with the KAS view point about exalted planets. If my understanding is correct, exalted with more bindus is good or debilited with less bendus is good. ASH : EXALTED PLANETS WITH MORE BINDUS REDUCE THE STATUS OF THE CHART. DEBILITATED PLANETS WITH LESS BINDUS MEANS LESS THAN 4 BINDUS IS GOOD. THERE IS A LOT OF DEPTH TO THIS. When one sees charts with many exalted planets one has to read them from a different non materialistic perspective. People with exalted planets get enhanced results of the planets and not middling results. That is to a full extent( Good or bad). The results are more intese. Aslo these people are not as affected by it as others would. This would also depend on the strength of the 9th lord. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Satish, > Let me write below each of your points in CAPS. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > When I started out in jyotish, the answer was , > > because it is so and it is what is said by BPHS. > > ASH : YES, AND I THINK EVERYONE HAS GONE THROUGH > THAT INCLUDING > MYSELF. NO EXPLANATION WAS GIVEN AS TO WHY. AND > OVER TIME I FOUND > THAT SA ANTRA AND MA ANTRA SOMETIMES GAVE FANTASTIC > RESULTS AND JU > GAVE SUCH HORRIBLE RESULTS SO ..... WE MOVE ON THE > TO THE NEXT STAGE > OF EVOLUTION I GUESS.............. EACH IN THEIR OWN > SORT OF WAY.... > > > Looking deeper into it I can not say I have the > answer > > ASH: FROM KAS POINTS OF VIEW, SINCE THE WHOLE SYSTEM > IS BASED ON A > MATHEMATICAL MODEL, GETTING POWER OF PLANETS GIVEN > TO US IN A > NUMERICAL FORMAT WHICH IS STATIC AND CAN'T BE > CHANGED AND THOSE ARE > DERIVED FROM A CONCRETE SET OF RULES BASED ON > STANDARD VA. AND THIS > ENTIRE MODEL STARTS FROM BHINA ASHTAKAVARGA CHART > GIVEN TO US BY THE > MAHARISHIS. > > SO IN THAT MARS AND SATURN IS ALLOCATED ONLY 39 > BINDUS OR POSITIVE > POINT I.E. IT CAN MAKE ONLY 39 GOOD ASSOCIATIONS > WITH RESPECT TO OTHER > PLANETS. > > SO MARS IF HE IS IN 1ST, 3RD, 6TH, 10TH AND 11TH > ONLY THEN HE CAN GET > 1 POINT MEANS A FAVORABLE YOG OR A BENEFIC POINT. > > FROM SUN IF MARS IS IN 3RD, 5TH, 6TH, 10TH AND 11TH > THEN ONLY MARS > GETS 1 BINDU. SO MARS AND SUN IN 5:9 MEANS MARS > GETS 1 BENEFIC POINT > OR ITS GOOD IN THAT POSITION. > > IF MARS IS IN 3RD, 6TH OR 11TH FROM MOON ONLY THEN > ITS MAKING A > FAVORABLE YOG WITH MOON. > > SO THERE ARE ONLY 39 POINTS ALLOCATED TO MARS TO > MAKE A FAVORABLE YOG. > > SIMILARLY FOR SATURN WHO ALSO GETS 39 BINDUS. > > SATURN IS THE ONLY PLANET THAT CAN GET A 0 POINT FOR > THE PLACE IT IS > IN. NO OTHER PLANET CAN GET THAT. > > IN COMPARISON JUPITER HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS > SO EVERYONE IN > THEIR BROTHER CAN HELP JUPITER SO GENERALLY JU HAS > SO MANY POINTS IN > THEIR SAV OR SAY MOSTLY IT HAS MORE THAN 4 BINDUS. > > ON THE OTHER HAND MA AND SA SINCE THEY HAVE ONLY 39 > BINDUS SO MOSTLY > THEY GET ONLY LESS THAN 4 BINDUS. > > BUT IF U COMPARE ALL THE BINDUS THAT MAHARISIHI HAVE > ALLOCATED TO ALL > PLANETS > > MOON = 49 > SUN = 48 > MARS = 39 > MERCURY = 54 > JUPITER = 56 > VENUS = 52 > SATURN = 39 > > SO JU WITH 56 POINTS WE CAN SAY A BENEFIC AS IT CAN > MAKE SO MANY GOOD > YOGS AND CAN GET GOOD BACKING EASILY AS COMPARED TO > SA AND MA. > > SUN HAS 48 POINTS SO BORDERLINE SO ITS NOT MALEFIC > BUT ITS CRUEL.. OR > KRUR.... > > SO THE MAHARISHIS MIGHT HAVE CALLED MARS AND SATURN > AS NATURAL > MALEFICS, JU,VE AND ME AS NATURAL BENEFICS MOON IS > 49 SO BENEFIC AND > SUN IS NEUTRAL SO KRUR OR CRUEL BUT NOT MALEFIC. > > SO THIS IS THE SCIENTIFIC APPROACH WITHOUT ANY > PHILOSOPHY OR ANOTHER > SCIENTIFIC WAY TO LOOK AT THIS OR ANOTHER > PERSPECTIVE. > > > > > but I can try surmising. > > > > Firstly from the highest level BPHS says all the 9 > > grahas are avataars of vishnu and as such there is > no > > such a thing as malefic and benefic as they all in > > their own way are distributing the fruits of ones > > karma. Mangal in his way and nature, guru in his > way > > and shukra in his way. As a simplistic model one > can > > say benefics give you results of your good karma > and > > malefics the results of your bad karma. As one can > not > > move ahead until karma is exhausted both malefic > and > > benefic per say are doing you a favor( So > everything > > is benefic) > > ASH : VERY NICE ANALOGY GIVEN SATISH. THIS IS HOW > OUR KARMA UNFOLDS. > THAT IS WHAT WE GET FROM OUR WS WHEN WE GET COMBINED > EFFECT OF ALL > PLANETS. THE BASIS OF THAT IS THE SAV. > > SO SAY IF MARS AND SATURN HAVE 3 BINDUS AND THEY > HAVE A PLANET WHO IS > NOT THE 6TH LORD IN 4TH FROM THEM THEN THEY WILL > BECOME VERY POWERFUL > AND THAT ONE CAN EXPERIENCE IN THEIR CHART AS IN THE > WS THEY WILL GET > POWERFUL FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. > > THIS CAN BE EASILY CHECKED IN CHARTS. AT THE SAME > TIME, IF A POWERFUL > BENEFIC IS IN 7TH HOUSE FORM SOME PLANET MEANS A > PLANET WITH MORE THAN > 4 BINDUS THEN IT WILL TAKE OFF THE POWER OF THE > OTHER PLANET. SO SUCH > RESULTS CAN BE SEEN DURING THE ANTRA OF THE PLANET. > > YES, NOW WHY THE PLANETS ARE IN A PARTICULAR > POSITION AT BIRTH THAT > MIGHT BE HOW YOUR KARMA UNFOLDS AS FROM THAT WE CAN > GET THE SAV I.E. > PLANETS MAKING RELATION TO OTHER PLANETS AND THE > COMBINED EFFECT IS SAV. > > > > > Now coming to why mars is natural malefic ans > shani > > natural malefic. Thats a very hard question. If > one > > assumes that from amaterial standpoint, only > > health/longevity and happiness are benefic then, > shani > > gets debilited in the 1st house so it is malefic > and > > mangal gets debilited in 4th house ( sukha staan) > so > > they are malefic. Shani gets exalted in 7th a > maraka > > staan. Guru gets exalted in 4th so benefic, Shukra > > gets debilited in 6th so benefic. Now how far this > > conjecture is true, I do not know. > > > > ASH: ACTUALLY, AS PER KAS, WE SAY THAT MANY UNCCHA > STHAN PLANETS OR IN > MT SPOILT THE STATUS OF THE CHART. > > THE TRADITIONAL WAY OF THINKING IS THAT UNCHAA > PLANETS ENHANCE THE STATUS. > > SO JUST WE DID PARVEZ MUSHARAF'S CHART, SO IN HIS > CHART NOT A SINGLE > PLANET IS IN UNCCHA STHAN, EXCEPT MOON AND THAT TOO > MOON IS KRISHNA > PAX SO MORE MALEFIC. > > PRABHU RAM'S CHART HAS SO MANY PLANETS IN UNCCHA > STHAN BUT JUST SEE > HIS LIFE, HE LOST HIS FATHER, WIFE, CHILDREN HAD TO > FACE SO MANY > OBSTACLES. > > === message truncated === Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Dear Satish, Yes. However the sign exaltation portion is for quality. For timing we do not consider Sign placement. IF you will notice, we gauge the power of planets using Ashtakavarga only. So say Jupiter is in Capricorn but if it has more power in WS it will still furnish the timing of result. For that we are not considering the sign placement. Now, if you add the Multiplication Factor portion that is for finding the quality. So in short, if say Guru was with , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Let me summarize. > > 1. A planet in any rashi with more than 4 points will > be good for house he is in but will be bad for the > house/s it aspects. If the rashi he is in is its sign > of exaltation then the aspect will be even worse. ASH : CORRECT. THERE ARE 2 PARTS. ONE IS THAT ITS WITH MORE THAN 4 BINDUS SO LETS TAKE ITS WITH 6 BINDUS SO ASPECT OF JU WILL BE WITH -6 ON THE HOUSE IT ASPECTS. THIS PORTION IS CALCULATED IN THE WS AND FROM THAT SUMMARY WE CAN GET THE TIMING OF EVENT. SECOND PORTION IS THAT OF QUALITY AND FOR THAT WE ARE USING MULTIPLICATION FACTOR. SO THAT WILL GET MORE CLEAR FROM THE LESSON ON MULTIPLICATION FACTOR. > > 2. A planet in a rashi with less than 4 points will > not be good to give result of house of its residence > but will benefically aspect the houses it aspects. ASH : CORRECT. > If such a planet with < 4 points is in its debilitation > sign then it will be very beneficial to the sign/s it > aspets but bad for the one it is in. ASH : THE SIGN PLACEMENT IS NOT FOR TIMING OF EVENT BUT FOR QUALITY. SIGN OF EXALTATION SIGN IS OPPOSITE THAT OF EXALTATION. SO IF A PLANET IS IN NEECHA RASI MEANS LOW MF THEN ITS ASPECT WILL BE MORE BENEFIC QUALITY WISE. THIS PORTION MIGHT CONFUSE PEOPLE SO WE CAN KEEP IS DIFFERENT. FOR TIMING OF EVENT THE SIGN PLACEMENT IS NOT USED. BUT HERE WE ARE SEEING BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN. 1 PORTION IS FOR THE PLACE IT IS IN AND THE SECOND SIDE OF THE COIN IS ITS ASPECT. > > Thanks > > Satish Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Dear Satish, In summary, Prabhu Ram's chart is good example. Yes, Ram became a Mahapurush. Mo with Ju in lagna of Cancer but at a very great cost of the sacrifice of father, wife and children's. So good for the house that planet is in (Ju has more than 4 bindu and in unccha sthan as 6th lord - IN 1ST HOUSE) AT THE COST OF (ASPECT) 1) Father's death (9th Aspect of Ju) 2) Sita departed (7th aspect) 3) Children departed (5th aspect) You are right, if you check charts with people with more planest in unccha sthan or MT or own house in such charts they might get timing of events but it will be at a great cost or sacrifice. We had solved a chart on this list of a Professor with MSc degree or was it Phd, but barely making a living. You can look that up from the archives. Krushanji had given that exercise to us to show this particular point. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks good explanations. Eventually we have to come > to apoint where we have to say because it is so, i.e. > take it as a postulate. One can say shani and mangal > are malefic because they have least # of bindus in > ashatakvarga. Why they have leat number of bindu or > why they contribue only 39 , because it is so. > > Secondly I agree with the KAS view point about exalted > planets. If my understanding is correct, exalted with > more bindus is good or debilited with less bendus is > good. > > When one sees charts with many exalted planets one has > to read them from a different non materialistic > perspective. People with exalted planets get enhanced > results of the planets and not middling results. That > is to a full extent( Good or bad). The results are > more intese. Aslo these people are not as affected by > it as others would. This would also depend on the > strength of the 9th lord. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > Let me write below each of your points in CAPS. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > When I started out in jyotish, the answer was , > > > because it is so and it is what is said by BPHS. > > > > ASH : YES, AND I THINK EVERYONE HAS GONE THROUGH > > THAT INCLUDING > > MYSELF. NO EXPLANATION WAS GIVEN AS TO WHY. AND > > OVER TIME I FOUND > > THAT SA ANTRA AND MA ANTRA SOMETIMES GAVE FANTASTIC > > RESULTS AND JU > > GAVE SUCH HORRIBLE RESULTS SO ..... WE MOVE ON THE > > TO THE NEXT STAGE > > OF EVOLUTION I GUESS.............. EACH IN THEIR OWN > > SORT OF WAY.... > > > > > Looking deeper into it I can not say I have the > > answer > > > > ASH: FROM KAS POINTS OF VIEW, SINCE THE WHOLE SYSTEM > > IS BASED ON A > > MATHEMATICAL MODEL, GETTING POWER OF PLANETS GIVEN > > TO US IN A > > NUMERICAL FORMAT WHICH IS STATIC AND CAN'T BE > > CHANGED AND THOSE ARE > > DERIVED FROM A CONCRETE SET OF RULES BASED ON > > STANDARD VA. AND THIS > > ENTIRE MODEL STARTS FROM BHINA ASHTAKAVARGA CHART > > GIVEN TO US BY THE > > MAHARISHIS. > > > > SO IN THAT MARS AND SATURN IS ALLOCATED ONLY 39 > > BINDUS OR POSITIVE > > POINT I.E. IT CAN MAKE ONLY 39 GOOD ASSOCIATIONS > > WITH RESPECT TO OTHER > > PLANETS. > > > > SO MARS IF HE IS IN 1ST, 3RD, 6TH, 10TH AND 11TH > > ONLY THEN HE CAN GET > > 1 POINT MEANS A FAVORABLE YOG OR A BENEFIC POINT. > > > > FROM SUN IF MARS IS IN 3RD, 5TH, 6TH, 10TH AND 11TH > > THEN ONLY MARS > > GETS 1 BINDU. SO MARS AND SUN IN 5:9 MEANS MARS > > GETS 1 BENEFIC POINT > > OR ITS GOOD IN THAT POSITION. > > > > IF MARS IS IN 3RD, 6TH OR 11TH FROM MOON ONLY THEN > > ITS MAKING A > > FAVORABLE YOG WITH MOON. > > > > SO THERE ARE ONLY 39 POINTS ALLOCATED TO MARS TO > > MAKE A FAVORABLE YOG. > > > > SIMILARLY FOR SATURN WHO ALSO GETS 39 BINDUS. > > > > SATURN IS THE ONLY PLANET THAT CAN GET A 0 POINT FOR > > THE PLACE IT IS > > IN. NO OTHER PLANET CAN GET THAT. > > > > IN COMPARISON JUPITER HAS BEEN ALLOCATED 56 BINDUS > > SO EVERYONE IN > > THEIR BROTHER CAN HELP JUPITER SO GENERALLY JU HAS > > SO MANY POINTS IN > > THEIR SAV OR SAY MOSTLY IT HAS MORE THAN 4 BINDUS. > > > > ON THE OTHER HAND MA AND SA SINCE THEY HAVE ONLY 39 > > BINDUS SO MOSTLY > > THEY GET ONLY LESS THAN 4 BINDUS. > > > > BUT IF U COMPARE ALL THE BINDUS THAT MAHARISIHI HAVE > > ALLOCATED TO ALL > > PLANETS > > > > MOON = 49 > > SUN = 48 > > MARS = 39 > > MERCURY = 54 > > JUPITER = 56 > > VENUS = 52 > > SATURN = 39 > > > > SO JU WITH 56 POINTS WE CAN SAY A BENEFIC AS IT CAN > > MAKE SO MANY GOOD > > YOGS AND CAN GET GOOD BACKING EASILY AS COMPARED TO > > SA AND MA. > > > > SUN HAS 48 POINTS SO BORDERLINE SO ITS NOT MALEFIC > > BUT ITS CRUEL.. OR > > KRUR.... > > > > SO THE MAHARISHIS MIGHT HAVE CALLED MARS AND SATURN > > AS NATURAL > > MALEFICS, JU,VE AND ME AS NATURAL BENEFICS MOON IS > > 49 SO BENEFIC AND > > SUN IS NEUTRAL SO KRUR OR CRUEL BUT NOT MALEFIC. > > > > SO THIS IS THE SCIENTIFIC APPROACH WITHOUT ANY > > PHILOSOPHY OR ANOTHER > > SCIENTIFIC WAY TO LOOK AT THIS OR ANOTHER > > PERSPECTIVE. > > > > > > > > > but I can try surmising. > > > > > > Firstly from the highest level BPHS says all the 9 > > > grahas are avataars of vishnu and as such there is > > no > > > such a thing as malefic and benefic as they all in > > > their own way are distributing the fruits of ones > > > karma. Mangal in his way and nature, guru in his > > way > > > and shukra in his way. As a simplistic model one > > can > > > say benefics give you results of your good karma > > and > > > malefics the results of your bad karma. As one can > > not > > > move ahead until karma is exhausted both malefic > > and > > > benefic per say are doing you a favor( So > > everything > > > is benefic) > > > > ASH : VERY NICE ANALOGY GIVEN SATISH. THIS IS HOW > > OUR KARMA UNFOLDS. > > THAT IS WHAT WE GET FROM OUR WS WHEN WE GET COMBINED > > EFFECT OF ALL > > PLANETS. THE BASIS OF THAT IS THE SAV. > > > > SO SAY IF MARS AND SATURN HAVE 3 BINDUS AND THEY > > HAVE A PLANET WHO IS > > NOT THE 6TH LORD IN 4TH FROM THEM THEN THEY WILL > > BECOME VERY POWERFUL > > AND THAT ONE CAN EXPERIENCE IN THEIR CHART AS IN THE > > WS THEY WILL GET > > POWERFUL FOR ALL 12 HOUSES. > > > > THIS CAN BE EASILY CHECKED IN CHARTS. AT THE SAME > > TIME, IF A POWERFUL > > BENEFIC IS IN 7TH HOUSE FORM SOME PLANET MEANS A > > PLANET WITH MORE THAN > > 4 BINDUS THEN IT WILL TAKE OFF THE POWER OF THE > > OTHER PLANET. SO SUCH > > RESULTS CAN BE SEEN DURING THE ANTRA OF THE PLANET. > > > > YES, NOW WHY THE PLANETS ARE IN A PARTICULAR > > POSITION AT BIRTH THAT > > MIGHT BE HOW YOUR KARMA UNFOLDS AS FROM THAT WE CAN > > GET THE SAV I.E. > > PLANETS MAKING RELATION TO OTHER PLANETS AND THE > > COMBINED EFFECT IS SAV. > > > > > > > > Now coming to why mars is natural malefic ans > > shani > > > natural malefic. Thats a very hard question. If > > one > > > assumes that from amaterial standpoint, only > > > health/longevity and happiness are benefic then, > > shani > > > gets debilited in the 1st house so it is malefic > > and > > > mangal gets debilited in 4th house ( sukha staan) > > so > > > they are malefic. Shani gets exalted in 7th a > > maraka > > > staan. Guru gets exalted in 4th so benefic, Shukra > > > gets debilited in 6th so benefic. Now how far this > > > conjecture is true, I do not know. > > > > > > > ASH: ACTUALLY, AS PER KAS, WE SAY THAT MANY UNCCHA > > STHAN PLANETS OR IN > > MT SPOILT THE STATUS OF THE CHART. > > > > THE TRADITIONAL WAY OF THINKING IS THAT UNCHAA > > PLANETS ENHANCE THE STATUS. > > > > SO JUST WE DID PARVEZ MUSHARAF'S CHART, SO IN HIS > > CHART NOT A SINGLE > > PLANET IS IN UNCCHA STHAN, EXCEPT MOON AND THAT TOO > > MOON IS KRISHNA > > PAX SO MORE MALEFIC. > > > > PRABHU RAM'S CHART HAS SO MANY PLANETS IN UNCCHA > > STHAN BUT JUST SEE > > HIS LIFE, HE LOST HIS FATHER, WIFE, CHILDREN HAD TO > > FACE SO MANY > > OBSTACLES. > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Dear Ash, One of the questions raised was why Jupiter harms the house he resides and why saturn enhances it. One of the explanations was jupiter will always aspect house C from where he resides and that will render it incapable of giving results of the house of his residence. A question I have is, do planets that ASPECT house A or B, or C are incabable of giving results. What happens to the occupants of these houses ? So saturn in house B will it render it incapable of giving results of that house ? Thanks Satish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Dear Satish, Good question. Yes, Ju will always aspect House C so it will not give the result in the house its placed. Even if you notice, say Generally Ju is with more bindus in the place where it is so if you keenly observe the WS, you will see that when you Add the A+B+C points Ju being in House B with 6 bindus will get added and at the same time it will aspect House C with -6 so net effect is 0. Similarly with Mars as well, Mars will always aspect House A. So if its with 3 bindus in House B then it will ADD +5 to House A and reverse when Mars is with 5 bindus in House B then it will subtract -5 from House A subject to condition Ma is not LoD or LoE. Now add another layer. Say Ju is in 7th house with 6 bindus and Moon is in 11th house with 3 bindus, so here Ju will aspect Moon and it will also take off the power of Moon so in WS you will find that the power of moon for 7th house has also become less and also for that of Jupiter as Ju will take off 6 points by aspecting House C. Actually Satish, if you try to understand the creation of WS i.e. if you carefully study WORKSHEETS H1 TO H12 in the KAS Program along with the lesson this phenomenon will get cleared. So if Ju is in 7th house with 6 bindus and more planets are in 11th house then Ju will not only take off power as it is aspecting HOUSE C, but at the same time WEAKEN BY TAKING OFF -6 FROM ALL THE PLANETS THAT ARE IN 11TH HOUSE (unless Ju is LoD or LoE in that case we wont consider the malefic aspect of Ju). Same for Mars. If Mars is in 7th house with 6 bindus and its not LoD or LoE for 7th house and say there are more planet in 2nd house of the chart in that case, Mars will take off -6 points due to aspect on A and also -6 from all planets that are in House A weakning them to give result for 7th house as well. So in WS you will find that the power of all the planets in House A become less. ADD to that... Assume there are 2 planets in 8th house with 3 bindus each then they will both add +10 strength together to all the planets in 2nd house. So in WS Summary eventually we will get the COMBINED NET POWER. ------------------------------ SATURN. Saturn in any house " Generally " will have less than 3 bindus. So it means it will aspect 3rd, 7th and 10th house Benefically. So it will enhance the power of house houses. Now 10th house from any house is the Authority of we say House D of that. 3rd house is the Parakram sthan but it will also delay the 3rd house from where it is situated (for example Sa in 5th house will delay Marriage but at the same time it will ADD 3 times its BENEFIC POWER) for Marriage. So assume Sa is in 5th house with 2 bindus. So it will aspect ABC for 7th house as B. Which means in the WS itself will add +6 to A, +6 to B and +6 to C so net 18 points. So it will be malefic for 5th house but it will enhance 7th house. If it is LoD or LoE then you can add +5 more so such a Saturn will enhance 7th house or 3rd from itself. Actually if you go into a much deeper level it will increase the foundation of the house it is in Lets take Sa in 1st house. So it will aspect 3rd house and 10th house. Now lets take 1st house as B So 8th house become A so that is Karak, then 3rd house is the Karak of 8th and 10th house is the karak of 3rd. So it will strength the roots. OR in other words or simpler words, Saturn will aspect and give power to its Parakram sthan and the karak of parakram sthan so there by enhancing the ressults of 3rd=B and its karak so quality of its Parakram is enhanced. 10th house also is House D for 1st. OR in other words, Saturn will strengthen 2 upachayas sthan from the place is it situated i.e 3rd and 10th house. Hope that helps, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > One of the questions raised was why Jupiter harms the > house he resides and why saturn enhances it. One of > the explanations was jupiter will always aspect house > C from where he resides and that will render it > incapable of giving results of the house of his > residence. > > A question I have is, do planets that ASPECT house A > or B, or C are incabable of giving results. What > happens to the occupants of these houses ? So saturn > in house B will it render it incapable of giving > results of that house ? > > Thanks > > Satish > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 > So it will strength the roots. > > OR in other words or simpler words, > > Saturn will aspect and give power to its Parakram sthan and the karak > of parakram sthan so there by enhancing the ressults of 3rd=B and its > karak so quality of its Parakram is enhanced. > > 10th house also is House D for 1st. > > OR in other words, Saturn will strengthen 2 upachayas sthan from the > place is it situated i.e 3rd and 10th house. Very nice explanation Ash, as always. Reg. last sentences, I remember somewhere in Ramayana that someone (I think it is Ravana, but I am not sure), prayed/wished that his son has Saturn in 11th. So, Sa would strenghten 1st and 8th houses, connected with longevity and health. all the best, Dadhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Dear Dadhi, Yes, you got the point :-). Sa will give power to House D and E for 8th and at the same time it cannot give death as it will aspect House B and at the same time its in House E for 6th as B and it will give power to strength ones personality and SELF so one can overcome his enemies, enjoy good health and also get good knowledge (inheritance - secret knowledge was transfered as inheritance) and it will also make things come easily as Sa will aspect 5th house so it will add power in the WS to 5th 8th and 1st house and for 1st house it will add 3 times its benefic aspect giving enjoyment to ones name. Malefics in upachya sthan are good again thats said in VA. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " Dadhi " <Dadhi wrote: > > > So it will strength the roots. > > > > OR in other words or simpler words, > > > > Saturn will aspect and give power to its Parakram sthan and the karak > > of parakram sthan so there by enhancing the ressults of 3rd=B and its > > karak so quality of its Parakram is enhanced. > > > > 10th house also is House D for 1st. > > > > OR in other words, Saturn will strengthen 2 upachayas sthan from the > > place is it situated i.e 3rd and 10th house. > > Very nice explanation Ash, as always. > > Reg. last sentences, I remember somewhere in Ramayana that someone (I think > it is Ravana, but I am not sure), prayed/wished that his son has Saturn in > 11th. > > So, Sa would strenghten 1st and 8th houses, connected with longevity and > health. > > all the best, > Dadhi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks. I am not sure whehter this answers my question. Is saturn disqualified from giving results of the house it resides in as it is house B. For that matter can we say any planet is disqualified from giving results of the house of its residence in its antara. Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Dadhi, > > Yes, you got the point :-). > > Sa will give power to House D and E for 8th and at > the same time it > cannot give death as it will aspect House B and at > the same time its > in House E for 6th as B and it will give power to > strength ones > personality and SELF so one can overcome his > enemies, enjoy good > health and also get good knowledge (inheritance - > secret knowledge was > transfered as inheritance) and it will also make > things come easily as > Sa will aspect 5th house so it will add power in the > WS to 5th 8th and > 1st house and for 1st house it will add 3 times its > benefic aspect > giving enjoyment to ones name. > > Malefics in upachya sthan are good again thats said > in VA. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Dear Ash, Do the planets become incapable of giving results of house they reside in ( House B) unless they are lords of D or E ? Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Dear Satish, No. Saturn is not disqualified from giving result as it will not aspect A or C house. Only Ju aspects House C and Mars aspects House A. Rest of the planets have only 7th aspect so that is never house A or C. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks. I am not sure whehter this answers my > question. Is saturn disqualified from giving results > of the house it resides in as it is house B. For that > matter can we say any planet is disqualified from > giving results of the house of its residence in its > antara. > > Satish > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Dadhi, > > > > Yes, you got the point :-). > > > > Sa will give power to House D and E for 8th and at > > the same time it > > cannot give death as it will aspect House B and at > > the same time its > > in House E for 6th as B and it will give power to > > strength ones > > personality and SELF so one can overcome his > > enemies, enjoy good > > health and also get good knowledge (inheritance - > > secret knowledge was > > transfered as inheritance) and it will also make > > things come easily as > > Sa will aspect 5th house so it will add power in the > > WS to 5th 8th and > > 1st house and for 1st house it will add 3 times its > > benefic aspect > > giving enjoyment to ones name. > > > > Malefics in upachya sthan are good again thats said > > in VA. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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