Attn. Haresh and Pathi Ji (Effects of Debilated Jupiter/Guru in Transit)

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Respected A.V.Pathi Ji and Haresh Ji

 

Thanks a lot for sparing time and clarifying the issue.

 

Regards

Ashok

 

vedic astrology , venkatachala pathi

<pathiav wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Jaswani:

>

> Your doubt is justified. While " Lagna "  in a birth chart is taken

as " SOUL " , the Rasi occupied by The Moon can be understood as " BODY " .

> Moon sign of the Birth Chart is generally termed as 'Rasi " and the

birth Star is called  " Janma Nakshathra " .

> The day-to-day effects caused by the planets with reference to

their positions (in movement) during that time in relation to

the " Janma Rasi " and " Janma Nakshatra " is called GOCHARA PALA

or 'transit results of Planets. 

>

>  Then, this is entirely in relation to THE POSITION OF MOON (Not

referred by Mr.Haresh, as 'I have taken the prediction from janma

lagna rashi.' and further he says, 'you must read your perspective

from janma Lagna and not from Chandra Lagna), in the zone of

concerned stars, come into play for " Transit " results which are also

co-related to Janma (The MOON) Rasi - NOT Janma Lagna - for day to

day trends.

>

> The Planets travel - in day to day basis - each Rasi (where Star

zones are demarked) and each of the 27 Stars and produce effects to

Lagna and Janma Rasi (place of Moon in the Birth Chart).  Lagna is a

pointer to the time of birth in a day and a 'Star Zone' is not quoted

as a segment of Lagna, (the total 30 Degrees of a zodiac house is

referred to as 'Lagna').  All Planets' positions are with reference

to Star Zones in its segment, referred with Star Lords.  Stars form

the segments of the position of the Moon in a Zodiac House, termed

RASI, and the movement of Planets to cause effect towards Star Zone,

while moving in a particular zodiac house under the power and rules

priscribed to the movement of that Planet, to cause related effect to

the position of The Moon in the segment occupied by it in the Birth

Chart.

>  

> Therefore I wish to clarify, the effects of the movement of Planets

is related to the position of the Natal Moon to trace the 'Gochara'

Planet in relation to the Desa Bukti and Anthara of a ruling Planet

at that time, for the Natal, in the decided gradation of the power of

the Planet as established under various rules, and principles as

found for the Planet in the Natal Chart, in Hindu (Vedic) Astrology.

>

> A person would have born in any Natal Lagna of 12 Zodiac Signs in a

day of birth as to the time of birth of that person.  But he is born

in only one star (in the 4 Padas of that Star) and

the 'Chara " (movement) of the Planet on the day in various STAR Zones

of reconing is related to the Star (The Moon position) he is born,

not the time of the day he is born.

>  

> Gochara Pala has no relation with Natal Lagna and The Sun (who

moves once a month from one Zodiac House to another Zodiac House). 

If necessary I will go elaborate with quoted slokas on Gochar

movements of Planets from as many books as you may desire as

authentic quotes to support my contention.

>

> A.V.Pathi,  

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> ________________________________

> Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:41:03 AM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Attn. Haresh and Pathi Ji (Re:

Effects of Debilated Jupiter/Guru in Transit)

>

>

> Dear Jaswani

>

> We always see janma kundali from lagna. Only for sudharshan chakra

analysis we see the three janma, surya & chandra lagna. Hence to be

more precise I hv taken the prediction from janma lagna rashi. U must

read ur perspective from ur janma lagna & not chandra lagna.

>  

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> WITH WARM REGARDS

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> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, 10 December, 2008 11:40:22 AM

> [vedic astrology] Attn. Haresh and Pathi Ji (Re: Effects

of Debilated Jupiter/Guru in Transit)

>

> Respected Haresh Ji

> Namaskar

>

> You have given Jupiter transit effects lagna-wise.

> Generally we see transit effects are seen from natal moon.

>

> Recently Mr. Pathi ji has also written article on this subject

which

> was based on transit effects with reference to moon/ Janma Rashi

only.

>

> In fact it entirely changes the interpretation. Does it mean native

> will feel the effects based on both references??

>

> Can you clarify the stand??

>

> Regards

> Ashok

>

> vedic astrology, " Haresh \(Harry\)

Nathani "

> <haresh1405@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Effects of Debilated Jupiter/Guru in Transit

> > (The writer of this article is a follower of Rishi Parasher’s

> astrological principles. Hence all predictions are based on Rishi

> Parashers Principles of Astrology.)

> > On December 9th 2008, Jupiter/Guru will get debilated in

> transition. Jupiter is an all rounder planet in any horoscope. It

> takes care of the below mentioned houses/bhava’s in any kundali &

> as well is karak for husband in a female kundali. They are:

> > üLagna/general health/Shareer

> > üFinances/Dhan

> > üVidya & Budhi/Education & Intelligence

> > üBhagya/fortunes

> > üKarma/Action/ kind of activity we will do

> > üLabh/Gains from Profession

> > üKarak for husband in any females horoscope

> > It is also the karak for health issues

> > üObesity

> > üDiabetes

> > üFeet pain

> > üBackaches

> > üHead pain

> >  

> > Its debilitation power is up to 5 degrees. On 9th Feb 09 it will

> cross 5 degrees.

> > Transition into Makar/Capricorn rashi, and also getting afflicted

> due to yuti/conjunction of Rahu & aspect of Ketu, will make Jupiter

> bhav nashak, meaning it will also destroy the effects of the bhav

it

> is located in. Only afflicted Jupiter is bhav nashak.

> > Any native having debilated Jupiter in one’s Janma kundali will

> experience problems related to one or more of the above bhava’s.

> When the Maha dasha or Antar dasha or Perpattyana dasha or

Shukshama

> dasha or Shoola dasha of debilated Jupiter is going on, this effect

> is more visible.  If Jupiter is not debilated in the native’s

> Janma kundali and any of its dasha is going on, 50% effects are

also

> felt. In Jupiter dasha we also get the result of its placement in

> Janma kundali & 50% in transit. Problems take front seat when

Jupiter

> is debilated in transit. Its effect has been elaborated lagna wise

as

> below.

> > Mesh/Aries:  In this lagna Jupiter has department of bhagya &

> vyay/loss (12th house). It will transit to karma sthan. Here karma

> gets affected, as there will be conflicts, transfers, father’s

> speech will be affected, it will affect native’s father name &

> fame, raj yog of 9th lord in 10th would be cancelled, fortunes will

> be disturbed and government employees would feel the pinch of

> instability in their work & place of work. Expenses will mount;

> because money will be spend on maintaining one’s job.. Court

cases

> would be unnecessarily postponed & delayed. Relationship with

mother

> in law will be disturbed. Backaches will increase & aspects of Ketu

> till November may lead surgery to the spine. Headaches & diabetes

may

> rise.. Those who are not diabetic may also get diabetes. Travelers

> who travel within the country for their living means will see

decline

> in their earnings. Students those are aspiring for MBA or any other

> professional financial degrees or

> > aspiring for PhD may find it difficult to concentrate or may not

> get through with flying colours or may take break in their

studies. 

> Spiritual masters may see their disciples  not performing one’s

> spiritual activity properly; some spiritual master’s may even get

> indulged into exploiting their followers.

> > Vrashabh/Taurus: In this lagna Jupiter has department of 8th

house

> Life span/death/ayu & Labh/Income from profession (11th house). If

> 8th house has no aspect of any other shubh/benefic graha, life span

> gets affected.. But here Jupiter gets debilated in 9th house. Rishi

> Parasher says that any planet whether debilated or malefic, when it

> is located in trikona sthan (5th or 9th house) it loses its malefic

> power & gives positive results. But being afflicted due to

> conjunction of Rahu will give results along with the effects of

Rahu.

> Here results will also be very tricky. Fortunes turn favourable,

11th

> house results, i.e. gains from profession increases, but health

> deteriorates, natives elder siblings income increases, father

losses

> its name & fame, spiritual consciousness increases, pilgrimage

tours

> increase, obesity will be in control, but backaches will increase,

> effects of Pitra Dosha may be felt, & due to yuti with Rahu

>  finances will also be affected.

> > Mithun/Gemini: In this lagna Jupiter has responsibility of

> marriage/spouse & Karma, but will be placed in 8th house. During

> debilitation it will affect the general health of the spouse & also

> native’s karma is affected. Rahu in 8th house is known to

increase

> one’s will power. Will power will be good.  Health problems like

> diabetes, frequent headaches, feet pain, as it also aspects 12th

> house, eye problem due to Ketu in 2nd house will increase. Desire

to

> eat more sweet meats will increases resulting in obesity. Constant

> friction with spouse will always be there. Frequent friction at

work

> place, no appreciation, transfer in place of work, change of job,

> will be very common. If Mercury is also debilated then it will

result

> in loss of name & fame, weakening & indecisive mind. Loss of

> opportunity may arise due to confusion & double.  

> > Karaka/Cancer: In this lagna Jupiter has 6th house & the 9th

house.

> Jupiter is placed in 7th house. This brings disease to one’s

> spouse. The natives health also gets affected as it aspects the

> lagna. But being weak will not be able to protect general health.

It

> also causes debts for the spouse. Fortune turns unfavourable.

Father

> losses name & fame. Presence of Rahu & aspect of Ketu increases

> friction in marital life resulting in divorce or separation. High

> temper, blood pressure, diabetes, headaches and misunderstanding

> dominates. This being also markasthan & presence of Sani in 2nd

house

> in transit, married native females may lose their husband as

untimely

> death, only if the life span of their husband is not good in their

> chart.

> > Simha/Leo: Debilated Jupiter is a blessing in disguise for this

> lagna native’s. The writer of this article is also Simha lagna

> native. Jupiter has responsibility of 5th & 8th house & Jupiter is

> debilated in 6th house along with Rahu & aspect of Ketu. Here

Jupiter

> is bhav nashak of 6th house; hence all enemies, diseases, loans,

and

> debts get eliminated. Vipreet raj yog is also formed, (8th lord in

> 6th house), which indicates sudden financial gains. Karma

increases,

> also charities to spiritual organizations will increase, and

> dhan/finances will increase. But children’s health gets affected;

> their concentration in studies will be poor due to presence of

Rahu,

> some children may take a break or drop out from studies.

> > Kanya/Virgo: The natives of this lagna’s will be lucky to some

> extent as Rishi Parasher says that when any planet whether

debilated

> or malefic, is located in trikona sthan (5th or 9th house) it loses

> its malefic power & gives benefic results. But Jupiter being

> afflicted due to conjunction of Rahu it will also give results

along

> with the effects of Rahu. Jupiter in this lagna has responsibility

of

> 4th & 7th house, both Kendra’s. Jupiter will be in 5th house. Raj

> yog of 4th lord in 5th house is not cancelled. Hence debilitation

of

> Jupiter will increase luxuries, will increase income from business,

> but general health will not be good due to presence of Rahu.

Natives

> who are in active politics in this lagna will get benefited the

most.

> Elections can be won. The natives will love their spouses but will

> always land up in friction & quarrels. Eligible singles will find

> their love mates but after marriage will feel dejected on the

choice

> of their spouse as

> > debilated Jupiter along with Rahu will always give an unclear

> image of the mate. Jobless will get new job offers but conditional

&

> less pay.

> > Tula/Libra: In this lagna, Jupiter losses its importance as it

has

> the responsibility of 3rd & 6th house. Third house deals with

> Parakram/Energy & sixth house with debts & disease, and Jupiter

will

> be placed in 4th house (Kendra). The native’s of this lagna will

be

> the most affected due to debilitation. Energy level will be low,

> debts & diseases will increase, politicians will lose elections,

> increase in public enmity will be seen. Loss on untimed /distress

> sale of luxuries (like gold, property, land). Loss in agriculture

> business. Mother’s health will be a concern, lungs will get

> affected very badly, and surgery may arise in disease related to

> lungs. Debts will rise, could be default in payments. Mother’s

> younger siblings will also get affected, young siblings will cheat,

> not repay amount loaned to them. Some relief will be seen when

> Jupiter crosses 5 degrees of debilitation. Social contacts will

lose

> its image & popularity.

> > Vrishchik/Scorpio: In this lagna Jupiter has dhan sthan & santaan

> sthan. It will be placed in 3rd house. Loss of finances, speech

> getting debilated, promises not kept, rudeness, energy level will

be

> very low, contacts will be lost, social life will lose its image,

> problems from children will increase, friction or separation from

> children, will affect the natives. Conflicts with spouses may lead

to

> separation or divorce. Backaches will increase & surgery may be a

> possibility. Native’s Father’s health will also get affected.

> Quarrels & separation with the young siblings & from the family is

> also a possibility.

> > Dhanur/Sagittarius: In this lagna, Jupiter has the responsibility

> of lagna & 4th house, (Kendra). It will be placed in 2nd house.

I.e.

> dhan sthan. Natives name & fame will be in jeopardy, finances will

> get affected, tendency to cheat financially, anybody who has parked

> any money out of faith with this native will never be paid back,

> separation from family, frequent headaches, diabetes, backaches,

> right eye problem, rude speech, speaking of lies, promises not

kept,

> distress sale of property including gold & vehicles, loss from

> agriculture income, politicians facing opposition from general

> public, losing elections, mother’s health detiorating, will be

> experienced. But a sudden financial gain is also a possibility.

Being

> markasthan may also bring untimely death in the family.

> > Makar/Capricorn: In this lagna, Jupiter also losses its

importance

> as it owns 12th & 3rd house. Jupiter will be placed in lagna. Lord

of

> 12th house in lagna indicates health issues like Diabetes,

headaches,

> backaches, feet pain, low energy level, loss of name & fame, social

> issues & problems. Constant fights & quarrels with spouse, may lead

> to separation or divorce. Loss of name & fame of young siblings &

> separation from them is a possibility. Death in the family of

> paternal grandparents is also a possibility. Spiritual touch may

also

> be lost.

> > Kumbh/Aquarius: In this lagna, Jupiter has responsibility of labh

> sthan & dhan sthan. Jupiter will be placed in 12th house which is

> also vyay sthan. Native’s of this lagna will see heavy to very

> heavy losses as lord of labh sthan in vyay & karak for dhan in vyay

> and that too debilated. The juice squeezed from the fruit & then

> thrown in the dust bin, this situation will arise. Income earned

from

> business will not stay in hands, losses will occur in business,

> orders may get cancelled; overseas contracts may not get renewed or

> may get with strict conditional renewals which may not be feasible.

> Court cases which may be of criminal nature will mount; visit to

> police station, prison, hospital, court, and lawyer will increase.

> Tension will mount, natives elder siblings will also see a similar

> situation, quarrels & separation from elder siblings will be a

> probability. God helps these natives.

> > Meen/Pisces: In this lagna, Jupiter has the responsibility of

karma

> & lagna. It will be placed in 11th house. Natives of this lagna are

> always considered the best among the 12 rashi’s as body always

> supports whatever karma is executed being the same lord. They are

the

> luckiest of all the 12 natives. But here due to debilated Jupiter

> will feel the pinch of luck running out of them. Self respect, name

&

> fame which they always command will not favour. Body will not

support

> the karma they want to execute. Whatever karma is executed will not

> see appreciation & acceptances and may face disregard. It will also

> affect natives elder siblings.. Relation will strain leading to

> quarrels/separation . Even the natives Father’s younger sibling

will

> also experience the same ill effects. But somehow presence of Rahu

> will give the native the will power to face the revolt & be

> victorious, that is what Rahu does when in 11th house. However

> natives in the business of meat,

> > leather, liquor, imports will flourish and reap good gains.

> Politicians will also see victory in elections but with bitter &

> tough competition. Natives who are in business association with

> government agencies will also feel the pinch of higher amount of

> under the table favours being demanded. 

> >  

> >  

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