ayanamsa

[Guest guest]

Dear Sandy and group -

 

> Seems like there are a number of discrepencies among astakavarga points for

> ANY given progam. I don't think we will always get " exactly " the same

points

> for each planet or house as Krushna UNLESS we ALL use Visual Jyotish, which

> is the program Krushna uses. So now we are either ALL going to have to

> invest in Visual Jyotish or deal with some discrepencies in calcaulation

> values. ;-(

 

 

There IS this descrepancy in the Ashtkavarga values mostly due to a minor

dispute in the classics between " Parashara vs. Varahamihira " . It basically

pertains to the two planets, Moon and Venus and the value points of their

bindus, which is usually one point difference in value from each other

depending on which option you choose to use. The standard option is to use

the Varahamihira. This can be easily found in Parashara's Light in the

CALCULATION OPTIONS section under the Ashtakavarga section. In GJ, you have

to go to the Preferences Option at the top of the tool bar. A drop down menu

comes up. Click on " Other various prefs " and another window will pop up.

Right under dasa defaults (underlined) in the second column, you'll see

Ashtakavaraga Bindu Scheme. Here you'll be able to click either Parashara or

Varahamirihra. I don't think Narashima's program has this option setting or

not, but I think he uses the Varahamahira as the standard too.

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear List Members,

 

Seems like there are a number of discrepencies among astakavarga points for

ANY given progam. I don't think we will always get " exactly " the same points

for each planet or house as Krushna UNLESS we ALL use Visual Jyotish, which

is the program Krushna uses. So now we are either ALL going to have to

invest in Visual Jyotish or deal with some discrepencies in calcaulation

values. ;-(

 

Here are a few of my own experiences with this dilemma. Using the method I

described in Goravani Jyotish about manually entering the outer dates

(years) of the birth in question, I am able to get the exact same ayanamsa

for the current recent example that Krushna had us evaluate, (Female -

11/13/1967) HOWEVER, there is a discrepency in the point system with GJ

versus Visual Jyotish. For this recent example, GJ gave the Moon as having 4

points in the 2nd ashtakavarga, while Venus had 4 in the 11th. According to

Krushna's corrected sheet, Moon had 5 points in the 2nd and Venus had 5

points in the 11th - So even though GJ calculated the EXACT ayanamsa used by

Krushna, the numerical valued differed.

 

Now for JHLite, calculations for the above example based on subtracting

1:1:40 (using custom ayanamsa) we get an ayanamsa that is 2 seconds

different from both GJ and Krushna's (Visual Jyotish). We get 22:22:42 as

opposed to 22:22:44, but we get the SAME values as Krushna's for the Moon in

JH Lite (5) and the SAME values for GJ calculations for Venus (4)...(One of

each...) So three different tables, three different discrepencies in

calculations...There is no easy " solution " unless we calculate by

hand...(UGH!...I haven't done that since the invention of jyotish programs

for the computer) or all of us invest in visual Jyotish...

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

>

> Dear List Members,

> I posted a letter to the list yesterday but it seems to have got lost

> somewhere so I'l try and repeat what I said.

>

> I would not reccomend the use of Hora Lite for astakavarga as the

> bindus do not agree with those of Krushna. For exaple in my own main

> astakavarga chart the points acording to Krushna (given to me by

> Krushna when demonstrating on my own marriage) were 27 for the 6th

> house and 19 for the 5th. Hora Lite gives these as 28 and 18

> respectively. This is due to a discrepanct with the points for Venus

> in those houses. I don't know of course but I wouldn't think that

> these are the only differences. Both GJ and PL give the same points

> as Krushna.

> I also tried earlier to use the extra dates as suggested by Sandy

> when using GJ but had a great number of problems with it. If it works

> for you then OK but when I tried it using figures from charts Krushna

> had done for me it gave completely different ayanamsas for any new

> chart I tired so in the end I gave it away and stuck to the straight

> line model. I will however have another look at it as the dates used

> by Sandy were much further apart than the dates I was able to use.

>

> Peter

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Narahari -

 

 

.. i reclutantly posted a query here as i understand one needs to stick to the system followed here only and parasara teachings are not welcome. so i chose a generic topic without wanting to "get into a english class witha biology book" as an esteemed member put it.

 

 

Sorry, Narahari. I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. ) I'm just trying to keep the choo-choo train on the tracks, that's all. . .

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Narhari,

There are atleast 25 types of ayanansha, each

differs from each other. The ayanansha given here

gives much better result, and comes to the pin point.

Still there is difference of 13 to 18 days is

experienced in the date of the event. With Lahiri this

difference is some times is about 0ne and half year,

and least is not less then about 6 months.

There is always differences of opinion,

persons using Raman Ayanansha, prefer the same.

Persons using KP sysyem, use KP ayanansha. In my

opinion, and as per my experience I feel that

Ayanansha used here are more correct.

Apply both the ayanansha on Few numbers of

charts, then come to some conclusion. Relying on your

own experience, will be much better then following

some body blindly. You will come to some final

conclusion.

krushna

 

 

 

 

--- Narahari <newtoindia2000 wrote:

 

<HR>

<html><body>

<tt>

Hi,<BR>

<BR>

Can anyone give me reasonning as to why the ayanamsa

people use here <BR>

is correct. i have had great results from Lahari.<BR>

<BR>

Thanks<BR>

<BR>

Narahari<BR>

<BR>

</tt>

 

 

<br>

<tt>

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the mail. i reclutantly posted a query here as i

understand one needs to stick to the system followed here only and

parasara teachings are not welcome. so i chose a generic topic

without wanting to " get into a english class witha biology book " as

an esteemed member put it.

 

Thanks again.

 

Narahari

 

, krushna jugalkalani

<krushanain> wrote:

> Dear Narhari,

> There are atleast 25 types of ayanansha, each

> differs from each other. The ayanansha given here

> gives much better result, and comes to the pin point.

> Still there is difference of 13 to 18 days is

> experienced in the date of the event. With Lahiri this

> difference is some times is about 0ne and half year,

> and least is not less then about 6 months.

> There is always differences of opinion,

> persons using Raman Ayanansha, prefer the same.

> Persons using KP sysyem, use KP ayanansha. In my

> opinion, and as per my experience I feel that

> Ayanansha used here are more correct.

> Apply both the ayanansha on Few numbers of

> charts, then come to some conclusion. Relying on your

> own experience, will be much better then following

> some body blindly. You will come to some final

> conclusion.

> krushna

>

>

>

>

> --- Narahari <newtoindia2000> wrote:

>

> <HR>

> <html><body>

> <tt>

> Hi,<BR>

> <BR>

> Can anyone give me reasonning as to why the ayanamsa

> people use here <BR>

> is correct. i have had great results from Lahari.<BR>

> <BR>

> Thanks<BR>

> <BR>

> Narahari<BR>

> <BR>

> </tt>

>

>

> <br>

> <tt>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

No Appologies needed. But seeking truth implictly means assimilating

knowledge even if it means traditional Vedic Astrology. Elimination

and conditioned truth is no truth at all.

 

Regards

 

Katti Narahari

 

, DQuinn12@A... wrote:

> Dear Narahari -

>

>

> > . i reclutantly posted a query here as i

> > understand one needs to stick to the system followed here only

and

> > parasara teachings are not welcome. so i chose a generic topic

> > without wanting to " get into a english class witha biology book "

as

> > an esteemed member put it.

> >

>

> Sorry, Narahari. I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. ) I'm

just trying

> to keep the choo-choo train on the tracks, that's all. . .

>

> Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Narahari -

 

 

No Appologies needed. But seeking truth implictly means assimilating knowledge even if it means traditional Vedic Astrology. Elimination and conditioned truth is no truth at all.

 

 

Have you studied Krushna's system so far and learned and/or applied the lessons BTW? Do you find it complicated?

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Ron -

 

 

Each will reveal a window on the reality of our lives, but the integrity of the entire honeycomb falls apart if you try to break down the walls between the sections and insist that somehow one environment must be subservient to the rules of another section of the structure.

 

Very well said, Ron. . .

Donna

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

Pranam.

 

No, i dont find it complicated.. but the issue is this... My

questions started after i went thru the lesson (6?) about divorce.

This document made no refernece to UL. Now it;s a well known fact

that UL and the 2nd and 7th from UL show;s end of marriage and the

8th from UL shows the longevity of marriage. Plus the graha drishti

on UL. Without the study of UL how can we conclude about abt divorce?

This lesson did not even have mention of Arudhas esp the Darapada and

it;s relation to the UL.

 

In my humble opinion, we may have all the systems of vedic

astrology.. which compliment traditional vedic system, but it cannot

replace the source... one can only imporve not override parasara and

jaimini.

 

Om Shanti.

 

Narahari

 

, DQuinn12@A... wrote:

> Dear Narahari -

>

>

> > No Appologies needed. But seeking truth implictly means

assimilating

> > knowledge even if it means traditional Vedic Astrology.

Elimination

> > and conditioned truth is no truth at all.

> >

>

> Have you studied Krushna's system so far and learned and/or applied

the

> lessons BTW? Do you find it complicated?

>

> Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Narahari and List,

 

If it's of any help, you might try to view it this way. I use multiple systems, or approaches, to astrology, but I don't mix the rules of the various systems. Instead, I look for confluence within each system, and then I look for confluence in a cross-system approach. It makes no sense for Krushna to reiterate the principles of UL and Arudhas, since they are already out there. Instead, I might see what classical jyotish says - perhaps using in part the Arudhas, etc. Then, I would see what the Systems Approach has to say; then Iyer's analysis of divisional charts; then Krushna's system for timing events; and perhaps Mahabote next. Usually, I do not find multiple systems conflict, but point toward the same central truth. There arises a confluence out of it all.

 

Oh, and one other thing. In my view, it is presumptuous to assume that Parasara and Jaimini are the source, and everything else must relate back to that source. I find nothing in their writings that demands such an adherence. I like the view that Penny Farrow related to me. The astrological world is like a honeycomb, with each section pointing toward a central reality. Each section yields its own unique perspective, but no section has the entire view. But, each section only reveals its view of that central reality if you enter and abide by the rules of that closed environment. One section is labeled Parasara; another Jaimini, another western astrology, another Taoist astrology, another Mahabote, etc. etc. Each will reveal a window on the reality of our lives, but the integrity of the entire honeycomb falls apart if you try to break down the walls between the sections and insist that somehow one environment must be subservient to the rules of another section of the structure.

 

Namaste,

Ron Grimes

 

 

 

Narahari [newtoindia2000] Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: Re: AyanamsaHello,Pranam.No, i dont find it complicated.. but the issue is this... My questions started after i went thru the lesson (6?) about divorce. This document made no refernece to UL. Now it;s a well known fact that UL and the 2nd and 7th from UL show;s end of marriage and the 8th from UL shows the longevity of marriage. Plus the graha drishti on UL. Without the study of UL how can we conclude about abt divorce? This lesson did not even have mention of Arudhas esp the Darapada and it;s relation to the UL.In my humble opinion, we may have all the systems of vedic astrology.. which compliment traditional vedic system, but it cannot replace the source... one can only imporve not override parasara and jaimini.Om Shanti.Narahari

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

Pranam

Narahari,

Hello,

Pranam.

 

[No,

i dont find it complicated..]

Narahari

 

Did you receive my last message? It would be very

kind of you to show us how to do Krushnaji’s homework incorporating Krushnaji’s

teachings together with UL, A7 [darapada] and other arudhas.

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

Swee

 

 

[Guest guest]

Pranam,

 

Thanks for the great reply.

 

I look for confluence within each system, and

then I look for confluence in a cross-system approach. It makes no

sense for Krushna to reiterate the principles of UL and Arudhas,

since they are already out there.

 

This is the most logical answer i have seen till date here!. I aggeee

that the priniciples of Arudhas and UL are alreasy there... But does

that mean one cannot refer to them (UL, Arudhas etc) here. As i

clarified earlier, the introduction to this club says " A system to

find timing event, using astakwarg system, based on vedic astrology " .

No-where does it specify that one needs to adhere to Krushna system

only here and principles of Parasara and jaimini are NOT welcome as i

found out to my surprise. (to keep the cho cho train on track).

 

If learned members here still think that only a particular system is

allowed here, then please do un- me.

 

I personally feel that Krushna's system is intresting but my posts

(in my process of learning this great science) will always include

parasara and Jaimini (chara karaka's), Narayana dasa, Vimshotari dasa

and all the other dasa systems documented in Brihat Parasara Hora

Sastra.

 

Om Shanti.

 

Narahari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Ron Grimes " <rongrimes@s...>

wrote:

> Dear Narahari and List,

>

> If it's of any help, you might try to view it this way. I use

multiple

> systems, or approaches, to astrology, but I don't mix the rules of

the

> various systems. Instead, I look for confluence within each system,

and

> then I look for confluence in a cross-system approach. It makes no

sense

> for Krushna to reiterate the principles of UL and Arudhas, since

they

> are already out there. Instead, I might see what classical jyotish

says

> - perhaps using in part the Arudhas, etc. Then, I would see what the

> Systems Approach has to say; then Iyer's analysis of divisional

charts;

> then Krushna's system for timing events; and perhaps Mahabote next.

> Usually, I do not find multiple systems conflict, but point toward

the

> same central truth. There arises a confluence out of it all.

>

> Oh, and one other thing. In my view, it is presumptuous to assume

that

> Parasara and Jaimini are the source, and everything else must relate

> back to that source. I find nothing in their writings that demands

such

> an adherence. I like the view that Penny Farrow related to me. The

> astrological world is like a honeycomb, with each section pointing

> toward a central reality. Each section yields its own unique

> perspective, but no section has the entire view. But, each section

only

> reveals its view of that central reality if you enter and abide by

the

> rules of that closed environment. One section is labeled Parasara;

> another Jaimini, another western astrology, another Taoist

astrology,

> another Mahabote, etc. etc. Each will reveal a window on the

reality of

> our lives, but the integrity of the entire honeycomb falls apart if

you

> try to break down the walls between the sections and insist that

somehow

> one environment must be subservient to the rules of another section

of

> the structure.

>

> Namaste,

> Ron Grimes

>

>

>

> Narahari [newtoindia2000]

> Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:17 PM

>

> Re: Ayanamsa

>

>

> Hello,

>

> Pranam.

>

> No, i dont find it complicated.. but the issue is this... My

> questions started after i went thru the lesson (6?) about divorce.

> This document made no refernece to UL. Now it;s a well known fact

> that UL and the 2nd and 7th from UL show;s end of marriage and the

> 8th from UL shows the longevity of marriage. Plus the graha drishti

> on UL. Without the study of UL how can we conclude about abt

divorce?

> This lesson did not even have mention of Arudhas esp the Darapada

and

> it;s relation to the UL.

>

> In my humble opinion, we may have all the systems of vedic

> astrology.. which compliment traditional vedic system, but it

cannot

> replace the source... one can only imporve not override parasara

and

> jaimini.

>

> Om Shanti.

>

> Narahari

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna,

 

I admire and envy your restraint.

 

Sanjay

 

-

<DQuinn12

 

Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:52 AM

Re: Ayanamsa

 

 

Dear Narahari -

 

 

> No Appologies needed. But seeking truth implictly means assimilating

> knowledge even if it means traditional Vedic Astrology. Elimination

> and conditioned truth is no truth at all.

>

 

Have you studied Krushna's system so far and learned and/or applied the

lessons BTW? Do you find it complicated?

 

Donna

 

 

 

_______

 

Get your free @ address at

[Guest guest]

Dear Narahari -

 

 

If learned members here still think that only a particular system is allowed here, then please do un- me.

 

 

I totally understand your extreme confusion and can see where you're coming from. I will promptly you as you wish. . . Bye bye. . .)

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay -

 

 

I admire and envy your restraint.

 

(Hee-hee). Thanks. . . . unfortunately, my restraint was at its ropes end and I had to him as he wished. . .Oh well (sigh). . . Sometimes I love my job. . . )

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Swee -

 

 

That’s VERY Aries !!

 

Hee-hee... .. You think? )

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna,

 

That’s VERY Aries !!

 

Swee

 

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Message-----

DQuinn12

[DQuinn12]

18 October 2001 14:28

 

Subject:

Re: Ayanamsa

 

Dear

Narahari -

 

 

 

 

 

If

learned members here still think that only a particular system is

allowed here, then please do un- me.

 

 

 

I totally understand your extreme confusion and can see where you're coming

from. I will promptly you as you wish. . . Bye bye. . .)

 

Donna

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from this group, send an email to:

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[Guest guest]

Dear Denis,

All these lessons are based from the hand written ancient

book, (which might be very old, not on papers used now a days, My

Guru never allowed me to touch the book, or see it. It was written in

sanskrit, I have seen it from a long distance. My Guru was giving me

the notes in Hindi) In that book, a chart was given, for the day of

Zero ayanansha. By reverse calculations I have found the date of that

day. Speed of Ayanansha was also given. This speed given is not

constant, In 1960/61 I have calculated the ayanansha for 1901.

Keeping that as a base, further calculations were made. Which are

given in the lesson.

I have my personal experience with this ayanansha, that the

result is more perfect, in so many charts I found, that using only

this ayanansha, we get correct result. Using any other ayanansha, the

Vishontary dasha, does not match with the event. In some charts, so

many times the planets in the last degree in a sign changes to next

sign, Some time changes the Langa. With the chart the the strength of

the planet matches very nicely. With this ayanansha I have predicted

hundreds of results, and those came true. Maximum difference I found

about 13 days in the actual event and calculated one. Why it is, I

dont know.

You can also check the accuracy of the ayanansha, by solving

a chart using some other ayanansha.

krushna

 

 

 

, " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...>

wrote:

> Dear Krushna,

>

> What is the origin of your ayanamsa? Did you find it in a classic

text? Does

> it come from your guru? Did you discover it through your experience?

>

> Thanks a lot

> Denis

[Guest guest]

Dear Krushna,

 

Thank you very much for the info. About the slight 13 days difference,

perhaps you could test the parallax corrected Moon. It is possible with

Goravani software. The Moon will be calculated in the exact place you should

have seen it in the sky (from the birthplace). Not as it should have been

seen from the center of the earth, as it is the case with the non-corrected

Moon. I imagine the ancients used visual observations. So, they took in

account the parallax, whether they were aware or not of this fact.

 

It is just an idea!

 

Best regards

Denis

 

--

Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les

cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons

d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site :

www.astrocours.fr.st

-

" krushanain " <krushanain

 

Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:40 PM

Re: Ayanamsa

 

 

> Dear Denis,

> All these lessons are based from the hand written ancient

> book, (which might be very old, not on papers used now a days, My

> Guru never allowed me to touch the book, or see it. It was written in

> sanskrit, I have seen it from a long distance. My Guru was giving me

> the notes in Hindi) In that book, a chart was given, for the day of

> Zero ayanansha. By reverse calculations I have found the date of that

> day. Speed of Ayanansha was also given. This speed given is not

> constant, In 1960/61 I have calculated the ayanansha for 1901.

> Keeping that as a base, further calculations were made. Which are

> given in the lesson.

> I have my personal experience with this ayanansha, that the

> result is more perfect, in so many charts I found, that using only

> this ayanansha, we get correct result. Using any other ayanansha, the

> Vishontary dasha, does not match with the event. In some charts, so

> many times the planets in the last degree in a sign changes to next

> sign, Some time changes the Langa. With the chart the the strength of

> the planet matches very nicely. With this ayanansha I have predicted

> hundreds of results, and those came true. Maximum difference I found

> about 13 days in the actual event and calculated one. Why it is, I

> dont know.

> You can also check the accuracy of the ayanansha, by solving

> a chart using some other ayanansha.

> krushna

>

>

>

> , " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna,

> >

> > What is the origin of your ayanamsa? Did you find it in a classic

> text? Does

> > it come from your guru? Did you discover it through your experience?

> >

> > Thanks a lot

> > Denis

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Denis,

The reason for the difference is not the parallax of Moon, The

reason may be some thing different. It is a subject of research.

krushna

 

, " DENIS LABOURE " <Laboure@W...>

wrote:

> Dear Krushna,

>

> Thank you very much for the info. About the slight 13 days

difference,

> perhaps you could test the parallax corrected Moon. It is possible

with

> Goravani software. The Moon will be calculated in the exact place

you should

> have seen it in the sky (from the birthplace). Not as it should

have been

> seen from the center of the earth, as it is the case with the non-

corrected

> Moon. I imagine the ancients used visual observations. So, they

took in

> account the parallax, whether they were aware or not of this fact.

>

> It is just an idea!

>

> Best regards

> Denis

>

> --

> Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les

> cours par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçons

> d'astrologie gratuits, visitez mon site :

> www.astrocours.fr.st

> -

> " krushanain " <krushanain>

>

> Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:40 PM

> Re: Ayanamsa

>

>

> > Dear Denis,

> > All these lessons are based from the hand written ancient

> > book, (which might be very old, not on papers used now a days, My

> > Guru never allowed me to touch the book, or see it. It was

written in

> > sanskrit, I have seen it from a long distance. My Guru was giving

me

> > the notes in Hindi) In that book, a chart was given, for the day

of

> > Zero ayanansha. By reverse calculations I have found the date of

that

> > day. Speed of Ayanansha was also given. This speed given is not

> > constant, In 1960/61 I have calculated the ayanansha for 1901.

> > Keeping that as a base, further calculations were made. Which are

> > given in the lesson.

> > I have my personal experience with this ayanansha, that the

> > result is more perfect, in so many charts I found, that using only

> > this ayanansha, we get correct result. Using any other ayanansha,

the

> > Vishontary dasha, does not match with the event. In some charts,

so

> > many times the planets in the last degree in a sign changes to

next

> > sign, Some time changes the Langa. With the chart the the

strength of

> > the planet matches very nicely. With this ayanansha I have

predicted

> > hundreds of results, and those came true. Maximum difference I

found

> > about 13 days in the actual event and calculated one. Why it is, I

> > dont know.

> > You can also check the accuracy of the ayanansha, by

solving

> > a chart using some other ayanansha.

> > krushna

> >

> >

> >

> > , " DENIS LABOURE "

<Laboure@W...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Krushna,

> > >

> > > What is the origin of your ayanamsa? Did you find it in a

classic

> > text? Does

> > > it come from your guru? Did you discover it through your

experience?

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot

> > > Denis

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Respected Krushna,

First and most important, I am no longer getting all your letters to the

list. As an Example I missed your replies to Margarita and to Sanjay and

Asham73. I am not sure what is happening here. I was able to go back to the

page and read them on there so I have not missed anything at

this stage.

Ragarding the figures you have given for chart I also get different from you

in this case. I had my program set at Raman -00:25:00 and this has usually

given me quite close to your figure on this occasion I got 21:45:46 for the

Ayanamsa which is quite a bit from the figure which you got (according to

Margarita) of 21:46:49.

I also got the Asc and Saturn in Scorpio in the Navamsa. I adjusted the

ayanamsa to get exactly the same as your - that is 21:46:49 this still gave

me the Asc and Saturn in Scorpio in the Navamsa. The planet positions in the

rasi are as below

 

Ayanamsa 21:45:46 21:46:49

Lagna 25Leo09 25Leo08

Sun 17Sc50 17Sc49

Moon 05Vi23 05Vi 22

Mercury 27Sc08 27Sc07

Mars 07Li25 07Li24

Jupiter 10Sc02 10Sc01

Venus 08Sag56 08Sag55

Saturn 06Li37 06Li36

 

As you can see from the above there is very little difference in the above

even with quite a difference in the Ayaamsa. And both chart have the Lagna

and Saturn in Scorpio in the Navamsa.

 

Hope this helps!!.

 

Peter

[Guest guest]

Respected Peterji, Dear Ash, and all list members,

Yes I found the mistake, it was typing mistake from my side,

I have typed 01:01 , which should be 01:10.

Sorry for that. Any how, it effected in the navamansha lagna only.

Other things remain as it is ( due to change in degree of Lagna).

krushna

 

, " Peter " <petermay@p...> wrote:

> Respected Krushna,

> First and most important, I am no longer getting all your letters

to the

> list. As an Example I missed your replies to Margarita and to

Sanjay and

> Asham73. I am not sure what is happening here. I was able to go

back to the

> page and read them on there so I have not missed

anything at

> this stage.

> Ragarding the figures you have given for chart I also get different

from you

> in this case. I had my program set at Raman -00:25:00 and this has

usually

> given me quite close to your figure on this occasion I got 21:45:46

for the

> Ayanamsa which is quite a bit from the figure which you got

(according to

> Margarita) of 21:46:49.

> I also got the Asc and Saturn in Scorpio in the Navamsa. I adjusted

the

> ayanamsa to get exactly the same as your - that is 21:46:49 this

still gave

> me the Asc and Saturn in Scorpio in the Navamsa. The planet

positions in the

> rasi are as below

>

> Ayanamsa 21:45:46 21:46:49

> Lagna 25Leo09 25Leo08

> Sun 17Sc50 17Sc49

> Moon 05Vi23 05Vi 22

> Mercury 27Sc08 27Sc07

> Mars 07Li25 07Li24

> Jupiter 10Sc02 10Sc01

> Venus 08Sag56 08Sag55

> Saturn 06Li37 06Li36

>

> As you can see from the above there is very little difference in

the above

> even with quite a difference in the Ayaamsa. And both chart have

the Lagna

> and Saturn in Scorpio in the Navamsa.

>

> Hope this helps!!.

>

> Peter

[Guest guest]

Dear Denis,

It is good to hear, Some body else also

advocates similar Ayanasha. By this time you must have

been convinced with the accuracy using this Ayanansha.

krushna

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dennis,

I have not done any particular research on ayanamsa. Yes I did read

your post on other list regarding Bashin ayanamsa.

 

I just follow what Krushna Ayanamsa has advised by Krushnaji for AV.

 

I dont think any of the classics would have any reference to ayanamsa

as the split started only after 300 AD. Parasara, Varharamira et al

existed way before that time.

 

Another thing of interest is the fact that most of the ayanamsa have

offset values generally lesser than lahiri ... its very few I have

see that have values greater than the offset of lahiri...

 

Hope that helps,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, Denis Labouré

<Laboure@W...> wrote:

> Dear Ash and Margarita,

>

> I am in touch with Philippe and we try to understand the Krushna

system. We

> also try to understand the origins of some concepts in order to

grasp it in

> a deper way.

>

> Perhaps you know J.N. Bashin. He has written some (good) books like:

> * Dispositors in astrology

> * Art of prediction

> * Events and nativities

> etc.

>

> He was probably a scholar in sanscrit, as he illustrates his

teachins with

> some sanscrit slokas. In his books, he used a " personal " ayanamsa.

The

> difference with the Lahiri one is 1°07'. So, this ayanamsa is close

to the

> ayanamsa received by Krushna (only 0°06' apart). My question is:

does this

> ayanamsa come from a classic text? In this case, the origin of the

Bashin

> and Krushna ayanamsas should be the same. We could check the exact

value in

> the original text.

>

> I tried to get infos from some others lists. No result. All these

people are

> proud to speak about " ancient vedic astrology " " 6000 years old vedic

> astrology " and so on... and they quietly use a 50 years old

ayanamsa!

>

> So, if you to some others lists, could you get the

answers to

> these two questions:

> * What is the source of the Bashin ayanamsa? (classic text, personal

> research, etc.)

> * Does any classic text in astronomy teaches any ayanamsa (or

fiducial star)

> close to the Krushna or Bashin ayanamsa?

>

> Thanks a lot

> Denis

>

>

>

>

> Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et

les cours

> par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des

leçonsd'astrologie

> gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st

[Guest guest]

Hello

Denis,

I confess

I haven’t done much research on ayanamsa but I’m aware that Bashin’s ayanamsa

is very close to the one Krushna uses. Personnaly I adopted Krushna’s ayanamsa

because it’s part of the system and if you play a game you have to stick to the

rules. I can understand that you are trying to find out the hidden reasons

behind the matter because your orientation is different. I’m sorry I can’t be

of any help.

Best

regards

Margarita

 

-----Original

Message-----

Denis Labouré

[Laboure]

Tuesday, January 14, 2003

7:03 PM

To:

 

Subject:

Ayanamsa

 

Dear Ash and Margarita,

 

I am in touch with Philippe and we try to understand the Krushna system. We

also try to understand the origins of some concepts in order to grasp it in

a deper way.

 

Perhaps you know J.N. Bashin. He has written some (good) books like:

* Dispositors in astrology

* Art of prediction

* Events and nativities

etc.

 

He was probably a scholar in sanscrit, as he illustrates his teachins with

some sanscrit slokas. In his books, he used a " personal "

ayanamsa. The

difference with the Lahiri one is 1°07'. So, this ayanamsa is close to the

ayanamsa received by Krushna (only 0°06' apart). My question is: does this

ayanamsa come from a classic text? In this case, the origin of the Bashin

and Krushna ayanamsas should be the same. We could check the exact value in

the original text.

 

I tried to get infos from some others lists. No result. All these people

are

proud to speak about " ancient vedic astrology " " 6000 years

old vedic

astrology " and so on... and they quietly use a 50 years old ayanamsa!

 

So, if you to some others lists, could you get the answers to

these two questions:

* What is the source of the Bashin ayanamsa? (classic text, personal

research, etc.)

* Does any classic text in astronomy teaches any ayanamsa (or fiducial

star)

close to the Krushna or Bashin ayanamsa?

 

Thanks a lot

Denis

 

 

 

 

Pour des renseignements sur les séminaires, les consultations et les cours

par correspondance, ainsi que pour des logiciels et des leçonsd'astrologie

gratuits, visitez mon site : www.astrocours.fr.st