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Astrolearner

 

--- On Thu, 18/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey wrote:

 

Prashant Pandey <praspandey

[ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel Ji)

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 7:55 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can prove it

by applied Mechanics...

 

I will explain it when i will get time...

 

Please wait for some time...

 

Regs,

Prashant Pandey

 

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Anthony

Goiche <anthony_goiche@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant,

>

                    

Can you please explain your point.

>  

> TC

> Anthony

>

>

> --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

>

> Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel

Ji)

> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM

Dear Shri Goel Ji,

>

> You have written following lines:-

>

> " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to

> be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. "

>

> In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to

> earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it will

go

> in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so...

>

> Please clarify....

>

> Regards

> Prashant Pandey

>

> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

Gopal

> Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > I support the view of Neelam ji that we should use

> > True Rahu , and may  like to give some background according to

my

> > understanding on nodes;

> > 1. It is wrong to say that mean Nodes are always

retrograde.When a

> planet is

> >  moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving in

opposite

> direction,

> > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are  special

rules

> to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not

> > applicable to mean nodes.It may be proper to say that Mean

nodes

> always have reverse(Viloma) motion.

> > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from mean

> Rahu , the mean longitudes  of other planets.are calculated.

> >   Mean values so obtained are converted to true values. In

ancient

> days , there €was  no way to find out True values

> >   of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the help of

> True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to calculate

True

> Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods.

> > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is no

> point to continue with old practise.True nodes

> > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in

> direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful.Sometimes ,

the

> longitudinal difference in true and mean extends

> > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of

calculating

> True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in

> > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CD  of these calculations can be

obtained

> from Positional Astronomical centre in

> > Kolkata or Paris.

> > Regards,

> >  G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and The Sun

> >

> >

> > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we use

> the true motion for all.

> > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion for

> Rahu also.

> > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can

sometimes

> be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In

some

> dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The results

> depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for any

> planet… so is for Rahu. And if we have true motion available

with

> us, why use mean motion for Rahu?

> > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot happen

> with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean rahu

> and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions.

> > Now about your wife:

> > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite Guru

in

> 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That means

Rahu

> is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu gets

Leo

> navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L and

> most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes to

> virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would allow

her

> to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury is

also

> retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu, aspecting

> it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially

> towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get

initiated

> into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional thoughts'

if

> rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to

your

> children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> http://messenger. / invite/

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Just a couple of points on this X-posted partial thread. My

understanding is that the mean motion of lunar nodes is always

retrograde, for a simple reason. It is not the actual motion but the

interval between two points. The assumption is that from point A to

point B, any planet moves at a constant velocity and this gives the

mean positions. This is in contrast to the true or apparent position

of a planet that can be visualized and calculated using corrective

factors applied to the mean position. If anyone has worked with the

Advanced ephemeris by Lahiri it uses mean positions to then calculate

the true or apparent (as seen!) positions of planets.

 

With lunar nodes there is an interesting problem. a lunar node is not

a planet with a body or disc or pinda, but a mathematical projection

based on the point of crossing of the lunar and solar paths (hence

called a 'node') which then moves as the projected paths wobble and

move and so do the nodes. Thus it is difficult to 'see' its true

position. The only time the true position of a node can be

demonstrated is when there is an eclipse because in that situation we

use the disk of the sun or of the moon to demonstrate where the node

truely is. During eclipse, the invisible 'nodes' become visible!

 

So in that sense a true position of a node is a mathematical

calculation as opposed to a demonstrable, verifiable indicator. Hence

some people feel that we should go with the mean position. To me this

does not make a good strategy because we are replacing an invisible

but more precise quantity with an invisible imprecise quantity.

 

But like I said, to each his own. If it fits your pipe, smoke it!

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , Astrolearner Brazil

<astrolearner_brazil wrote:

>

> Good Mail to read....

>  

> Astrolearner

>

> --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey wrote:

>

> Prashant Pandey <praspandey

> [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel

Ji)

> Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

> Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 7:55 PM

WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can prove

it

> by applied Mechanics...

>

> I will explain it when i will get time...

>

> Please wait for some time...

>

> Regs,

> Prashant Pandey

>

> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

Anthony

> Goiche <anthony_goiche@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> >

                 Â

 Â Â  Can you please explain your point.

> >  

> > TC

> > Anthony

> >

> >

> > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel

> Ji)

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri Goel Ji,

> >

> > You have written following lines:-

> >

> > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they appear

to

> > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. "

> >

> > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to

> > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it will

> go

> > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so...

> >

> > Please clarify....

> >

> > Regards

> > Prashant Pandey

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

> Gopal

> > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > I support the view of Neelam ji that we should use

> > > True Rahu , and may  like to give some background

according to

> my

> > > understanding on nodes;

> > > 1. It is wrong to say that mean Nodes are

always

> retrograde.When a

> > planet is

> > >  moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving

in

> opposite

> > direction,

> > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are

 special

> rules

> > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not

> > > applicable to mean nodes.It may be proper to say that

Mean

> nodes

> > always have reverse(Viloma) motion.

> > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from mean

> > Rahu , the mean longitudes  of other planets.are

calculated.

> > >   Mean values so obtained are converted to true values.

In

> ancient

> > days , there €was  no way to find out True

values

> > >   of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the

help of

> > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to calculate

> True

> > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods.

> > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is no

> > point to continue with old practise.True nodes

> > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in

> > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful.Sometimes ,

> the

> > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends

> > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of

> calculating

> > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in

> > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CD  of these calculations can be

> obtained

> > from Positional Astronomical centre in

> > > Kolkata or Paris.

> > > Regards,

> > >  G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and The

Sun

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we use

> > the true motion for all.

> > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion

for

> > Rahu also.

> > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can

> sometimes

> > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In

> some

> > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The

results

> > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for any

> > planet… so is for Rahu. And if we have true motion

available

> with

> > us, why use mean motion for Rahu?

> > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot happen

> > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean rahu

> > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions.

> > > Now about your wife:

> > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite Guru

> in

> > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That means

> Rahu

> > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu gets

> Leo

> > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L

and

> > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes to

> > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would allow

> her

> > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury is

> also

> > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu,

aspecting

> > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially

> > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get

> initiated

> > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional thoughts'

> if

> > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to

> your

> > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> > http://messenger. / invite/

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website.

> Enter http://beta. cricket.. com

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*

Dear Members , Namaskar

 

For eclipses its true that we use option called as 'true nodes', for all

other aspects of Phalita Hora we use always mean nodes as the core

philosophy of Nodes

is the same nature as vakri state - past life issues.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

-----------------------------

Consultations and Pages:

http://rohinaa.com

rafal

 

 

Rohiniranjan pisze:

>

> Just a couple of points on this X-posted partial thread. My

> understanding is that the mean motion of lunar nodes is always

> retrograde, for a simple reason. It is not the actual motion but the

> interval between two points. The assumption is that from point A to

> point B, any planet moves at a constant velocity and this gives the

> mean positions. This is in contrast to the true or apparent position

> of a planet that can be visualized and calculated using corrective

> factors applied to the mean position. If anyone has worked with the

> Advanced ephemeris by Lahiri it uses mean positions to then calculate

> the true or apparent (as seen!) positions of planets.

>

> With lunar nodes there is an interesting problem. a lunar node is not

> a planet with a body or disc or pinda, but a mathematical projection

> based on the point of crossing of the lunar and solar paths (hence

> called a 'node') which then moves as the projected paths wobble and

> move and so do the nodes. Thus it is difficult to 'see' its true

> position. The only time the true position of a node can be

> demonstrated is when there is an eclipse because in that situation we

> use the disk of the sun or of the moon to demonstrate where the node

> truely is. During eclipse, the invisible 'nodes' become visible!

>

> So in that sense a true position of a node is a mathematical

> calculation as opposed to a demonstrable, verifiable indicator. Hence

> some people feel that we should go with the mean position. To me this

> does not make a good strategy because we are replacing an invisible

> but more precise quantity with an invisible imprecise quantity.

>

> But like I said, to each his own. If it fits your pipe, smoke it!

>

> RR

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, Astrolearner Brazil

> <astrolearner_ brazil@.. .> wrote:

> >

> > Good Mail to read....

> > Â

> > Astrolearner

> >

> > --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel

> Ji)

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> <Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest%40>

> > Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 7:55 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can prove

> it

> > by applied Mechanics...

> >

> > I will explain it when i will get time...

> >

> > Please wait for some time...

> >

> > Regs,

> > Prashant Pandey

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

> Anthony

> > Goiche <anthony_goiche@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > >

> Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã,

>  Ã, Ã, Can you please explain your point.

> > > Ã,Â

> > > TC

> > > Anthony

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel

> > Ji)

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Goel Ji,

> > >

> > > You have written following lines:-

> > >

> > > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they appear

> to

> > > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. "

> > >

> > > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to

> > > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it will

> > go

> > > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so...

> > >

> > > Please clarify....

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Prashant Pandey

> > >

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

> > Gopal

> > > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I support the view ofÃfâEURs(Ã, Neelam ji that we should use

> > > > True Rahu , and may ÃfâEURs(Ã, like to give some background

> according to

> > my

> > > > understanding on nodes;

> > > > 1. It is wrong to sayÃfâEURs(Ã, thatÃfâEURs(Ã, mean Nodes are

> always

> > retrograde.When a

> > > planet is

> > > > ÃfâEURs(Ã, moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving

> in

> > opposite

> > > direction,

> > > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are

> ÃfâEURs(Ã, special

> > rules

> > > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not

> > > > applicable to mean nodes.It may beÃfâEURs(Ã, proper to say that

> Mean

> > nodes

> > > always have reverse(Viloma) motion.

> > > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from mean

> > > Rahu , the mean longitudes ÃfâEURs(Ã, of other planets.are

> calculated.

> > > > ÃfâEURs(Ã, Mean values so obtained are converted to true values.

> In

> > ancient

> > > days , there Ãf¢ââ,¬Å¡Ã,¬was ÃfâEURs(Ã, no way to find out True

> values

> > > > ÃfâEURs(Ã, of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the

> help of

> > > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to calculate

> > True

> > > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods.

> > > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is no

> > > point to continue with old practise.True nodes

> > > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in

> > > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful.Sometimes ,

> > the

> > > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends

> > > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of

> > calculating

> > > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in

> > > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CDÃfâEURs(Ã, of these calculations can be

> > obtained

> > > from Positional Astronomical centre in

> > > > Kolkata or Paris.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > ÃfâEURs(Ã, G.K.GOEL

> > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > INDIA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and The

> Sun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> > > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we use

> > > the true motion for all.

> > > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion

> for

> > > Rahu also.

> > > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can

> > sometimes

> > > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In

> > some

> > > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The

> results

> > > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for any

> > > planetÃf¢ââEURs(¬Ã,¦ so is for Rahu. And if we have true motion

> available

> > with

> > > us, why use mean motion for Rahu?

> > > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot happen

> > > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean rahu

> > > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions.

> > > > Now about your wife:

> > > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite Guru

> > in

> > > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That means

> > Rahu

> > > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu gets

> > Leo

> > > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L

> and

> > > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes to

> > > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would allow

> > her

> > > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury is

> > also

> > > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu,

> aspecting

> > > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially

> > > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get

> > initiated

> > > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional thoughts'

> > if

> > > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to

> > your

> > > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> > > http://messenger. / invite/

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website.

> > Enter http://beta. cricket.. com

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on

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Dear Mr. RR-Ji,

Thanks for inputs on this mail.

 

Astrolearner

 

vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Just a couple of points on this X-posted partial thread. My

> understanding is that the mean motion of lunar nodes is always

> retrograde, for a simple reason. It is not the actual motion but

the

> interval between two points. The assumption is that from point A

to

> point B, any planet moves at a constant velocity and this gives

the

> mean positions. This is in contrast to the true or apparent

position

> of a planet that can be visualized and calculated using corrective

> factors applied to the mean position. If anyone has worked with

the

> Advanced ephemeris by Lahiri it uses mean positions to then

calculate

> the true or apparent (as seen!) positions of planets.

>

> With lunar nodes there is an interesting problem. a lunar node is

not

> a planet with a body or disc or pinda, but a mathematical

projection

> based on the point of crossing of the lunar and solar paths (hence

> called a 'node') which then moves as the projected paths wobble

and

> move and so do the nodes. Thus it is difficult to 'see' its true

> position. The only time the true position of a node can be

> demonstrated is when there is an eclipse because in that situation

we

> use the disk of the sun or of the moon to demonstrate where the

node

> truely is. During eclipse, the invisible 'nodes' become visible!

>

> So in that sense a true position of a node is a mathematical

> calculation as opposed to a demonstrable, verifiable indicator.

Hence

> some people feel that we should go with the mean position. To me

this

> does not make a good strategy because we are replacing an

invisible

> but more precise quantity with an invisible imprecise quantity.

>

> But like I said, to each his own. If it fits your pipe, smoke it!

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology , Astrolearner Brazil

> <astrolearner_brazil@> wrote:

> >

> > Good Mail to read....

> >  

> > Astrolearner

> >

> > --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@>

> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To

Goel

> Ji)

> > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

> > Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 7:55 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can

prove

> it

> > by applied Mechanics...

> >

> > I will explain it when i will get time...

> >

> > Please wait for some time...

> >

> > Regs,

> > Prashant Pandey

> >

> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

> Anthony

> > Goiche <anthony_goiche@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > >

>                  Â

>  Â Â  Can you please explain your point.

> > >  

> > > TC

> > > Anthony

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To

Goel

> > Ji)

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Goel Ji,

> > >

> > > You have written following lines:-

> > >

> > > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they

appear

> to

> > > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. "

> > >

> > > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to

> > > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it

will

> > go

> > > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so...

> > >

> > > Please clarify....

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Prashant Pandey

> > >

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

> > Gopal

> > > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I support the view of Neelam ji that we should use

> > > > True Rahu , and may  like to give some background

> according to

> > my

> > > > understanding on nodes;

> > > > 1. It is wrong to say that mean Nodes are

> always

> > retrograde.When a

> > > planet is

> > > >  moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving

> in

> > opposite

> > > direction,

> > > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are

>  special

> > rules

> > > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not

> > > > applicable to mean nodes.It may be proper to say that

> Mean

> > nodes

> > > always have reverse(Viloma) motion.

> > > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from

mean

> > > Rahu , the mean longitudes  of other planets.are

> calculated.

> > > >   Mean values so obtained are converted to true values.

> In

> > ancient

> > > days , there €was  no way to find out True

> values

> > > >   of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the

> help of

> > > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to

calculate

> > True

> > > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods.

> > > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is

no

> > > point to continue with old practise.True nodes

> > > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in

> > > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very

powerful.Sometimes ,

> > the

> > > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends

> > > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of

> > calculating

> > > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in

> > > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CD  of these calculations can be

> > obtained

> > > from Positional Astronomical centre in

> > > > Kolkata or Paris.

> > > > Regards,

> > > >  G.K.GOEL

> > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > INDIA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and

The

> Sun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> > > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we

use

> > > the true motion for all.

> > > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion

> for

> > > Rahu also.

> > > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can

> > sometimes

> > > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In

> > some

> > > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The

> results

> > > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for

any

> > > planet… so is for Rahu. And if we have true motion

> available

> > with

> > > us, why use mean motion for Rahu?

> > > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot

happen

> > > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean

rahu

> > > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions.

> > > > Now about your wife:

> > > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite

Guru

> > in

> > > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That

means

> > Rahu

> > > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu

gets

> > Leo

> > > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L

> and

> > > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes

to

> > > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would

allow

> > her

> > > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury

is

> > also

> > > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu,

> aspecting

> > > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially

> > > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get

> > initiated

> > > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional

thoughts'

> > if

> > > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to

> > your

> > > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> > > http://messenger. / invite/

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website.

> > Enter http://beta. cricket.. com

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on

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Dear Mr. Astrolearner-Ji,

 

You are very welcome.

 

RR

 

 

vedic astrology , " astrolearner_brazil "

<astrolearner_brazil wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. RR-Ji,

> Thanks for inputs on this mail.

>

> Astrolearner

>

> vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Just a couple of points on this X-posted partial thread. My

> > understanding is that the mean motion of lunar nodes is always

> > retrograde, for a simple reason. It is not the actual motion but

> the

> > interval between two points. The assumption is that from point A

> to

> > point B, any planet moves at a constant velocity and this gives

> the

> > mean positions. This is in contrast to the true or apparent

> position

> > of a planet that can be visualized and calculated using

corrective

> > factors applied to the mean position. If anyone has worked with

> the

> > Advanced ephemeris by Lahiri it uses mean positions to then

> calculate

> > the true or apparent (as seen!) positions of planets.

> >

> > With lunar nodes there is an interesting problem. a lunar node is

> not

> > a planet with a body or disc or pinda, but a mathematical

> projection

> > based on the point of crossing of the lunar and solar paths

(hence

> > called a 'node') which then moves as the projected paths wobble

> and

> > move and so do the nodes. Thus it is difficult to 'see' its true

> > position. The only time the true position of a node can be

> > demonstrated is when there is an eclipse because in that

situation

> we

> > use the disk of the sun or of the moon to demonstrate where the

> node

> > truely is. During eclipse, the invisible 'nodes' become visible!

> >

> > So in that sense a true position of a node is a mathematical

> > calculation as opposed to a demonstrable, verifiable indicator.

> Hence

> > some people feel that we should go with the mean position. To me

> this

> > does not make a good strategy because we are replacing an

> invisible

> > but more precise quantity with an invisible imprecise quantity.

> >

> > But like I said, to each his own. If it fits your pipe, smoke it!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , Astrolearner Brazil

> > <astrolearner_brazil@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Good Mail to read....

> > >  

> > > Astrolearner

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@>

> > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To

> Goel

> > Ji)

> > > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

> > > Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 7:55 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can

> prove

> > it

> > > by applied Mechanics...

> > >

> > > I will explain it when i will get time...

> > >

> > > Please wait for some time...

> > >

> > > Regs,

> > > Prashant Pandey

> > >

> > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com,

> > Anthony

> > > Goiche <anthony_goiche@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > >

> >

                 Â

> >  Â Â  Can you please explain your point.

> > > >  

> > > > TC

> > > > Anthony

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...>

> > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To

> Goel

> > > Ji)

> > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com

> > > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Goel Ji,

> > > >

> > > > You have written following lines:-

> > > >

> > > > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they

> appear

> > to

> > > > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave

like

> > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. "

> > > >

> > > > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to

> > > > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it

> will

> > > go

> > > > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so...

> > > >

> > > > Please clarify....

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Prashant Pandey

> > > >

> > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou

ps.com,

> > > Gopal

> > > > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > I support the view of Neelam ji that we should use

> > > > > True Rahu , and may  like to give some background

> > according to

> > > my

> > > > > understanding on nodes;

> > > > > 1. It is wrong to say that mean Nodes are

> > always

> > > retrograde.When a

> > > > planet is

> > > > >  moving in normal direction , but appears to be

moving

> > in

> > > opposite

> > > > direction,

> > > > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are

> >  special

> > > rules

> > > > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not

> > > > > applicable to mean nodes.It may be proper to say

that

> > Mean

> > > nodes

> > > > always have reverse(Viloma) motion.

> > > > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from

> mean

> > > > Rahu , the mean longitudes  of other planets.are

> > calculated.

> > > > >   Mean values so obtained are converted to true

values.

> > In

> > > ancient

> > > > days , there €was  no way to find out

True

> > values

> > > > >   of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with

the

> > help of

> > > > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to

> calculate

> > > True

> > > > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods.

> > > > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there

is

> no

> > > > point to continue with old practise.True nodes

> > > > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be

in

> > > > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like

> > > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very

> powerful.Sometimes ,

> > > the

> > > > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends

> > > > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of

> > > calculating

> > > > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in

> > > > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CD  of these calculations

can be

> > > obtained

> > > > from Positional Astronomical centre in

> > > > > Kolkata or Paris.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >  G.K.GOEL

> > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > INDIA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and

> The

> > Sun

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji,

> > > > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we

> use

> > > > the true motion for all.

> > > > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true

motion

> > for

> > > > Rahu also.

> > > > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can

> > > sometimes

> > > > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas.

In

> > > some

> > > > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The

> > results

> > > > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for

> any

> > > > planet… so is for Rahu. And if we have true

motion

> > available

> > > with

> > > > us, why use mean motion for Rahu?

> > > > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot

> happen

> > > > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean

> rahu

> > > > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions.

> > > > > Now about your wife:

> > > > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite

> Guru

> > > in

> > > > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That

> means

> > > Rahu

> > > > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu

> gets

> > > Leo

> > > > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is

2L

> > and

> > > > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes

> to

> > > > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would

> allow

> > > her

> > > > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury

> is

> > > also

> > > > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu,

> > aspecting

> > > > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up,

specially

> > > > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get

> > > initiated

> > > > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional

> thoughts'

> > > if

> > > > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on

to

> > > your

> > > > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> > > > http://messenger. / invite/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website.

> > > Enter http://beta. cricket.. com

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on

> > http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-

> 08.html/

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