Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Good Mail to read....  Astrolearner --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey wrote: Prashant Pandey <praspandey [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel Ji) Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 7:55 PM WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can prove it by applied Mechanics... I will explain it when i will get time... Please wait for some time... Regs, Prashant Pandey Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Anthony Goiche <anthony_goiche@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Prashant, >                     Can you please explain your point. >  > TC > Anthony > > > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel Ji) > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM Dear Shri Goel Ji, > > You have written following lines:- > > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. " > > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it will go > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so... > > Please clarify.... > > Regards > Prashant Pandey > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > I support the view of Neelam ji that we should use > > True Rahu , and may  like to give some background according to my > > understanding on nodes; > > 1. It is wrong to say that mean Nodes are always retrograde.When a > planet is > >  moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving in opposite > direction, > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are  special rules > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not > > applicable to mean nodes.It may be proper to say that Mean nodes > always have reverse(Viloma) motion. > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from mean > Rahu , the mean longitudes  of other planets.are calculated. > >  Mean values so obtained are converted to true values. In ancient > days , there €was  no way to find out True values > >  of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the help of > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to calculate True > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods. > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is no > point to continue with old practise.True nodes > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful.Sometimes , the > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of calculating > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CD of these calculations can be obtained > from Positional Astronomical centre in > > Kolkata or Paris. > > Regards, > >  G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and The Sun > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we use > the true motion for all. > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion for > Rahu also. > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can sometimes > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In some > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The results > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for any > planet… so is for Rahu. And if we have true motion available with > us, why use mean motion for Rahu? > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot happen > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean rahu > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions. > > Now about your wife: > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite Guru in > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That means Rahu > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu gets Leo > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L and > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes to > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would allow her > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury is also > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu, aspecting > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get initiated > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional thoughts' if > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to your > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Just a couple of points on this X-posted partial thread. My understanding is that the mean motion of lunar nodes is always retrograde, for a simple reason. It is not the actual motion but the interval between two points. The assumption is that from point A to point B, any planet moves at a constant velocity and this gives the mean positions. This is in contrast to the true or apparent position of a planet that can be visualized and calculated using corrective factors applied to the mean position. If anyone has worked with the Advanced ephemeris by Lahiri it uses mean positions to then calculate the true or apparent (as seen!) positions of planets. With lunar nodes there is an interesting problem. a lunar node is not a planet with a body or disc or pinda, but a mathematical projection based on the point of crossing of the lunar and solar paths (hence called a 'node') which then moves as the projected paths wobble and move and so do the nodes. Thus it is difficult to 'see' its true position. The only time the true position of a node can be demonstrated is when there is an eclipse because in that situation we use the disk of the sun or of the moon to demonstrate where the node truely is. During eclipse, the invisible 'nodes' become visible! So in that sense a true position of a node is a mathematical calculation as opposed to a demonstrable, verifiable indicator. Hence some people feel that we should go with the mean position. To me this does not make a good strategy because we are replacing an invisible but more precise quantity with an invisible imprecise quantity. But like I said, to each his own. If it fits your pipe, smoke it! RR vedic astrology , Astrolearner Brazil <astrolearner_brazil wrote: > > Good Mail to read.... >  > Astrolearner > > --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey wrote: > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel Ji) > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest > Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 7:55 PM WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can prove it > by applied Mechanics... > > I will explain it when i will get time... > > Please wait for some time... > > Regs, > Prashant Pandey > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Anthony > Goiche <anthony_goiche@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Prashant, > >                    Â Â Can you please explain your point. > >  > > TC > > Anthony > > > > > > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel > Ji) > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goel Ji, > > > > You have written following lines:- > > > > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to > > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. " > > > > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to > > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it will > go > > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so... > > > > Please clarify.... > > > > Regards > > Prashant Pandey > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, > Gopal > > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > I support the view of Neelam ji that we should use > > > True Rahu , and may  like to give some background according to > my > > > understanding on nodes; > > > 1. It is wrong to say that mean Nodes are always > retrograde.When a > > planet is > > >  moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving in > opposite > > direction, > > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are  special > rules > > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not > > > applicable to mean nodes.It may be proper to say that Mean > nodes > > always have reverse(Viloma) motion. > > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from mean > > Rahu , the mean longitudes  of other planets.are calculated. > > >  Mean values so obtained are converted to true values. In > ancient > > days , there €was  no way to find out True values > > >  of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the help of > > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to calculate > True > > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods. > > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is no > > point to continue with old practise.True nodes > > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in > > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful.Sometimes , > the > > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends > > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of > calculating > > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in > > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CD of these calculations can be > obtained > > from Positional Astronomical centre in > > > Kolkata or Paris. > > > Regards, > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and The Sun > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we use > > the true motion for all. > > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion for > > Rahu also. > > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can > sometimes > > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In > some > > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The results > > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for any > > planet… so is for Rahu. And if we have true motion available > with > > us, why use mean motion for Rahu? > > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot happen > > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean rahu > > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions. > > > Now about your wife: > > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite Guru > in > > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That means > Rahu > > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu gets > Leo > > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L and > > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes to > > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would allow > her > > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury is > also > > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu, aspecting > > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially > > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get > initiated > > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional thoughts' > if > > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to > your > > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. > Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 *om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* Dear Members , Namaskar For eclipses its true that we use option called as 'true nodes', for all other aspects of Phalita Hora we use always mean nodes as the core philosophy of Nodes is the same nature as vakri state - past life issues. Regards, Rafal Gendarz ----------------------------- Consultations and Pages: http://rohinaa.com rafal Rohiniranjan pisze: > > Just a couple of points on this X-posted partial thread. My > understanding is that the mean motion of lunar nodes is always > retrograde, for a simple reason. It is not the actual motion but the > interval between two points. The assumption is that from point A to > point B, any planet moves at a constant velocity and this gives the > mean positions. This is in contrast to the true or apparent position > of a planet that can be visualized and calculated using corrective > factors applied to the mean position. If anyone has worked with the > Advanced ephemeris by Lahiri it uses mean positions to then calculate > the true or apparent (as seen!) positions of planets. > > With lunar nodes there is an interesting problem. a lunar node is not > a planet with a body or disc or pinda, but a mathematical projection > based on the point of crossing of the lunar and solar paths (hence > called a 'node') which then moves as the projected paths wobble and > move and so do the nodes. Thus it is difficult to 'see' its true > position. The only time the true position of a node can be > demonstrated is when there is an eclipse because in that situation we > use the disk of the sun or of the moon to demonstrate where the node > truely is. During eclipse, the invisible 'nodes' become visible! > > So in that sense a true position of a node is a mathematical > calculation as opposed to a demonstrable, verifiable indicator. Hence > some people feel that we should go with the mean position. To me this > does not make a good strategy because we are replacing an invisible > but more precise quantity with an invisible imprecise quantity. > > But like I said, to each his own. If it fits your pipe, smoke it! > > RR > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Astrolearner Brazil > <astrolearner_ brazil@.. .> wrote: > > > > Good Mail to read.... > >  > > Astrolearner > > > > --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel > Ji) > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com > <Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest%40> > > Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 7:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can prove > it > > by applied Mechanics... > > > > I will explain it when i will get time... > > > > Please wait for some time... > > > > Regs, > > Prashant Pandey > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, > Anthony > > Goiche <anthony_goiche@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, >  Ã, Ã, Can you please explain your point. > > > Ã, > > > TC > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel > > Ji) > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com > > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goel Ji, > > > > > > You have written following lines:- > > > > > > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they appear > to > > > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. " > > > > > > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to > > > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it will > > go > > > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so... > > > > > > Please clarify.... > > > > > > Regards > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, > > Gopal > > > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I support the view ofÃfâEURs(Ã, Neelam ji that we should use > > > > True Rahu , and may ÃfâEURs(Ã, like to give some background > according to > > my > > > > understanding on nodes; > > > > 1. It is wrong to sayÃfâEURs(Ã, thatÃfâEURs(Ã, mean Nodes are > always > > retrograde.When a > > > planet is > > > > ÃfâEURs(Ã, moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving > in > > opposite > > > direction, > > > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are > ÃfâEURs(Ã, special > > rules > > > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not > > > > applicable to mean nodes.It may beÃfâEURs(Ã, proper to say that > Mean > > nodes > > > always have reverse(Viloma) motion. > > > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from mean > > > Rahu , the mean longitudes ÃfâEURs(Ã, of other planets.are > calculated. > > > > ÃfâEURs(Ã, Mean values so obtained are converted to true values. > In > > ancient > > > days , there Ãf¢ââ,¬Å¡Ã,¬was ÃfâEURs(Ã, no way to find out True > values > > > > ÃfâEURs(Ã, of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the > help of > > > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to calculate > > True > > > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods. > > > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is no > > > point to continue with old practise.True nodes > > > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in > > > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like > > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful.Sometimes , > > the > > > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends > > > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of > > calculating > > > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in > > > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CDÃfâEURs(Ã, of these calculations can be > > obtained > > > from Positional Astronomical centre in > > > > Kolkata or Paris. > > > > Regards, > > > > ÃfâEURs(Ã, G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and The > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we use > > > the true motion for all. > > > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion > for > > > Rahu also. > > > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can > > sometimes > > > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In > > some > > > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The > results > > > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for any > > > planetÃf¢ââEURs(¬Ã,¦ so is for Rahu. And if we have true motion > available > > with > > > us, why use mean motion for Rahu? > > > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot happen > > > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean rahu > > > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions. > > > > Now about your wife: > > > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite Guru > > in > > > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That means > > Rahu > > > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu gets > > Leo > > > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L > and > > > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes to > > > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would allow > > her > > > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury is > > also > > > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu, > aspecting > > > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially > > > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get > > initiated > > > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional thoughts' > > if > > > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to > > your > > > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. > > Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on > http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- > 08.html/ > <http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Dear Mr. RR-Ji, Thanks for inputs on this mail. Astrolearner vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Just a couple of points on this X-posted partial thread. My > understanding is that the mean motion of lunar nodes is always > retrograde, for a simple reason. It is not the actual motion but the > interval between two points. The assumption is that from point A to > point B, any planet moves at a constant velocity and this gives the > mean positions. This is in contrast to the true or apparent position > of a planet that can be visualized and calculated using corrective > factors applied to the mean position. If anyone has worked with the > Advanced ephemeris by Lahiri it uses mean positions to then calculate > the true or apparent (as seen!) positions of planets. > > With lunar nodes there is an interesting problem. a lunar node is not > a planet with a body or disc or pinda, but a mathematical projection > based on the point of crossing of the lunar and solar paths (hence > called a 'node') which then moves as the projected paths wobble and > move and so do the nodes. Thus it is difficult to 'see' its true > position. The only time the true position of a node can be > demonstrated is when there is an eclipse because in that situation we > use the disk of the sun or of the moon to demonstrate where the node > truely is. During eclipse, the invisible 'nodes' become visible! > > So in that sense a true position of a node is a mathematical > calculation as opposed to a demonstrable, verifiable indicator. Hence > some people feel that we should go with the mean position. To me this > does not make a good strategy because we are replacing an invisible > but more precise quantity with an invisible imprecise quantity. > > But like I said, to each his own. If it fits your pipe, smoke it! > > RR > > > > > > vedic astrology , Astrolearner Brazil > <astrolearner_brazil@> wrote: > > > > Good Mail to read.... > >  > > Astrolearner > > > > --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@> wrote: > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@> > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel > Ji) > > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest > > Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 7:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can prove > it > > by applied Mechanics... > > > > I will explain it when i will get time... > > > > Please wait for some time... > > > > Regs, > > Prashant Pandey > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, > Anthony > > Goiche <anthony_goiche@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > >                   >  Â Â Can you please explain your point. > > >  > > > TC > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To Goel > > Ji) > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com > > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goel Ji, > > > > > > You have written following lines:- > > > > > > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they appear > to > > > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. " > > > > > > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to > > > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it will > > go > > > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so... > > > > > > Please clarify.... > > > > > > Regards > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, > > Gopal > > > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I support the view of Neelam ji that we should use > > > > True Rahu , and may  like to give some background > according to > > my > > > > understanding on nodes; > > > > 1. It is wrong to say that mean Nodes are > always > > retrograde.When a > > > planet is > > > >  moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving > in > > opposite > > > direction, > > > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are >  special > > rules > > > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not > > > > applicable to mean nodes.It may be proper to say that > Mean > > nodes > > > always have reverse(Viloma) motion. > > > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from mean > > > Rahu , the mean longitudes  of other planets.are > calculated. > > > >  Mean values so obtained are converted to true values. > In > > ancient > > > days , there €was  no way to find out True > values > > > >  of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the > help of > > > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to calculate > > True > > > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods. > > > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is no > > > point to continue with old practise.True nodes > > > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in > > > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like > > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful.Sometimes , > > the > > > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends > > > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of > > calculating > > > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in > > > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CD of these calculations can be > > obtained > > > from Positional Astronomical centre in > > > > Kolkata or Paris. > > > > Regards, > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and The > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we use > > > the true motion for all. > > > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion > for > > > Rahu also. > > > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can > > sometimes > > > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In > > some > > > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The > results > > > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for any > > > planet… so is for Rahu. And if we have true motion > available > > with > > > us, why use mean motion for Rahu? > > > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot happen > > > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean rahu > > > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions. > > > > Now about your wife: > > > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite Guru > > in > > > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That means > > Rahu > > > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu gets > > Leo > > > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L > and > > > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes to > > > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would allow > > her > > > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury is > > also > > > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu, > aspecting > > > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially > > > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get > > initiated > > > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional thoughts' > > if > > > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to > > your > > > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. > > Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Dear Mr. Astrolearner-Ji, You are very welcome. RR vedic astrology , " astrolearner_brazil " <astrolearner_brazil wrote: > > Dear Mr. RR-Ji, > Thanks for inputs on this mail. > > Astrolearner > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Just a couple of points on this X-posted partial thread. My > > understanding is that the mean motion of lunar nodes is always > > retrograde, for a simple reason. It is not the actual motion but > the > > interval between two points. The assumption is that from point A > to > > point B, any planet moves at a constant velocity and this gives > the > > mean positions. This is in contrast to the true or apparent > position > > of a planet that can be visualized and calculated using corrective > > factors applied to the mean position. If anyone has worked with > the > > Advanced ephemeris by Lahiri it uses mean positions to then > calculate > > the true or apparent (as seen!) positions of planets. > > > > With lunar nodes there is an interesting problem. a lunar node is > not > > a planet with a body or disc or pinda, but a mathematical > projection > > based on the point of crossing of the lunar and solar paths (hence > > called a 'node') which then moves as the projected paths wobble > and > > move and so do the nodes. Thus it is difficult to 'see' its true > > position. The only time the true position of a node can be > > demonstrated is when there is an eclipse because in that situation > we > > use the disk of the sun or of the moon to demonstrate where the > node > > truely is. During eclipse, the invisible 'nodes' become visible! > > > > So in that sense a true position of a node is a mathematical > > calculation as opposed to a demonstrable, verifiable indicator. > Hence > > some people feel that we should go with the mean position. To me > this > > does not make a good strategy because we are replacing an > invisible > > but more precise quantity with an invisible imprecise quantity. > > > > But like I said, to each his own. If it fits your pipe, smoke it! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Astrolearner Brazil > > <astrolearner_brazil@> wrote: > > > > > > Good Mail to read.... > > >  > > > Astrolearner > > > > > > --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@> wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@> > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To > Goel > > Ji) > > > Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest > > > Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 7:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WE SHOULD ALWAYS USE MEAN NODES IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY... I can > prove > > it > > > by applied Mechanics... > > > > > > I will explain it when i will get time... > > > > > > Please wait for some time... > > > > > > Regs, > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, > > Anthony > > > Goiche <anthony_goiche@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant, > > > > > >                   > >  Â Â Can you please explain your point. > > > >  > > > > TC > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 16/12/08, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ ...> > > > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: True and Mean Rahu (To > Goel > > > Ji) > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com > > > > Tuesday, 16 December, 2008, 6:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Goel Ji, > > > > > > > > You have written following lines:- > > > > > > > > " True nodes moves in reverse direction , some times they > appear > > to > > > > be in direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like > > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very powerful. " > > > > > > > > In my view Rahu can never be appeared in direct motion wrt to > > > > earth.yes its speed would not be constant but if you say it > will > > > go > > > > in direct motion wrt earth then i dont think so... > > > > > > > > Please clarify.... > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, > > > Gopal > > > > Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > I support the view of Neelam ji that we should use > > > > > True Rahu , and may  like to give some background > > according to > > > my > > > > > understanding on nodes; > > > > > 1. It is wrong to say that mean Nodes are > > always > > > retrograde.When a > > > > planet is > > > > >  moving in normal direction , but appears to be moving > > in > > > opposite > > > > direction, > > > > > only then it is called in retrograde mode.There are > >  special > > > rules > > > > to judge retrograde planets and these rules are not > > > > > applicable to mean nodes.It may be proper to say that > > Mean > > > nodes > > > > always have reverse(Viloma) motion. > > > > > 2. In all siddhantas , Mean Rahu is calculated , and from > mean > > > > Rahu , the mean longitudes  of other planets.are > > calculated. > > > > >  Mean values so obtained are converted to true values. > > In > > > ancient > > > > days , there €was  no way to find out True > > values > > > > >  of nodes. The eclipse can only be predicted with the > > help of > > > > True Rahu. As in ancient times it was not possible to > calculate > > > True > > > > Rahu , they had adopted some effective supplementary methods. > > > > > 3. Now , it is possible to calculate the true nodes there is > no > > > > point to continue with old practise.True nodes > > > > > moves in reverse direction , some times they appear to be in > > > > direct mode.When they are in direct mode they behave like > > > > > other retrograde planets and becomes very > powerful.Sometimes , > > > the > > > > longitudinal difference in true and mean extends > > > > > to as large as 1deg. 45 min.The approximate method of > > > calculating > > > > True Rahu from mean Rahu is given in > > > > > the Lahiri's Ephemeris.CD of these calculations can be > > > obtained > > > > from Positional Astronomical centre in > > > > > Kolkata or Paris. > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  G.K.GOEL > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Monday, 17 November, 2008 1:55:55 PM > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] RE: Re: Rahu and > The > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > > > All the planets have a mean motion and a true motion and we > use > > > > the true motion for all. > > > > > The traditional teaching says that we should use true motion > > for > > > > Rahu also. > > > > > This factor is important because true and mean Rahu can > > > sometimes > > > > be in different signs, different navamshas or other vargas. In > > > some > > > > dashas also, there comes a difference in calculations. The > > results > > > > depend on the motion/speed as well as sign/varga obtained for > any > > > > planet… so is for Rahu. And if we have true motion > > available > > > with > > > > us, why use mean motion for Rahu? > > > > > With mean motion, Rahu is always retrograde. This cannot > happen > > > > with true nodes. That is why many feel comfortable with mean > rahu > > > > and use only mean motion of rahu for predictions. > > > > > Now about your wife: > > > > > She has shown an interest in a different culture, despite > Guru > > > in > > > > 9H in pisces and mars aspecting own house from 10th. That > means > > > Rahu > > > > is strong and she might've got her Rahu dasha also. If Rahu > gets > > > Leo > > > > navamsh, she probably would stick to her religion as sun is 2L > > and > > > > most probably it is in Taurus in fixed sign. But if Rahu goes > to > > > > virgo, it goes to 3H of rashi and a dual sign which would > allow > > > her > > > > to change her ideas. Rahu is strong in virgo. If her mercury > is > > > also > > > > retrograde, which is 12L and navamsha depositor of Rahu, > > aspecting > > > > it, could give her unconventional emotional make up, specially > > > > towards spirituality as scorpio rises in 5H. She might get > > > initiated > > > > into ways and mantra chantings etc. of 'unconventional > thoughts' > > > if > > > > rahu dasha is also operative. This would also get rubbed on to > > > your > > > > children. Mer is also the 8L from 5H. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. > > > Enter http://beta. cricket.. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on > > http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools- > 08.html/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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