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There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on

the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are

people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods

from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds

of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost

as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a

cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious'

aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the

respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to

receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not

kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference

between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is

very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases.

 

An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

(unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since

most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and

is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for

anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to

feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

 

Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye

or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand

dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have

purchased a house instead!

 

I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature.

If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for

free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish

quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in

the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally

being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service,

just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for

free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor

son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to

poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine

does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or

adharmik Rakshashs or greedy!

 

This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community!

 

Rohiniranjan

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji,

Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no

written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the form

of fees. You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some

sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit

etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any

act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets

accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is

creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not be

carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash &

kind is made.

Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed.

Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of

marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration?

Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & attimes

mention it below any messages posted in group.

1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid questions.

If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There

are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their

birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple groups

& finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the

astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings.

2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You charge

the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone

needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his career,

till retirement. It is really time-consuming.

3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything

*unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is

astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own

expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still

many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of

paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work.

 

I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let me

know...

Thank you,

.

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on

> the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are

> people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods

> from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds

> of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost

> as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a

> cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious'

> aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the

> respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to

> receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not

> kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference

> between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is

> very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases.

>

> An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

> quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

> (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since

> most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

> technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and

> is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for

> anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to

> feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

>

> Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye

> or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand

> dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have

> purchased a house instead!

>

> I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature.

> If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for

> free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish

> quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in

> the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally

> being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service,

> just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for

> free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor

> son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to

> poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine

> does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or

> adharmik Rakshashs or greedy!

>

> This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

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UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have

to do in this instance, Ghosh ji!

 

vedic astrology , " "

<gaurav.ghosh wrote:

>

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji,

> Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no

> written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the

form

> of fees.

 

<<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you

missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!>>

 

> You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some

> sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit

> etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any

> act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets

> accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is

> creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not

be

> carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash &

> kind is made.

 

<<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A

BELIEF?..

 

> Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed.

> Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of

> marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration?

> Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website &

attimes

> mention it below any messages posted in group.

> 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid

questions.

> If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There

> are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their

> birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple

groups

> & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the

> astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings.

> 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You

charge

> the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone

> needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his

career,

> till retirement. It is really time-consuming.

> 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything

> *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is

> astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own

> expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still

> many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of

> paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work.

>

 

<<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE

HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED

TO EXPLAIN...>>

> I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let

me

> know...

> Thank you,

> .

>

>

>

> vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed

on

> > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there

are

> > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods

> > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the

minds

> > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is

almost

> > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a

> > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with

the 'religious'

> > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the

> > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to

> > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not

> > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference

> > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges

is

> > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases.

> >

> > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

> > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

> > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and

since

> > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

> > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned

and

> > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for

> > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual

to

> > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

> >

> > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an

eye

> > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand

> > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have

> > purchased a house instead!

> >

> > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and

mature.

> > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for

> > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not

jyotish

> > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just

in

> > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally

> > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free

service,

> > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for

> > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his

doctor

> > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed

free to

> > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine

> > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks

or

> > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy!

> >

> > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish

community!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

>

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Om Sri Ganeshaya Namaha.

 

Hi Gaurav,

 

Nothing wrong in charging for any prediction.

 

Please work hard, burn your midnight oil, spend the money for learning further,

in addition to running your expenses and give the society excellent correct

predictions.

 

Astrology is more inclined to God. And if some one is great trouble, help with

your knowledge and wisdom. Money will pour in plenty.  I believe in this.

 

 

I have met many astrollegers during my difficulty. It is true, each person say

different things.

 

But what is right, what is not right has to be judged by individuals, that do

not depend on the astrologer, if gods wishes to reveal the truth, they will.

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 1/9/09, <gaurav.ghosh wrote:

 

<gaurav.ghosh

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

vedic astrology

Friday, January 9, 2009, 7:17 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

||Jai Ramakrishna| |

Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji,

Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no

written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the form

of fees. You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some

sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit

etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any

act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets

accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is

creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not be

carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash &

kind is made.

Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed.

Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of

marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration?

Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & attimes

mention it below any messages posted in group.

1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid questions.

If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There

are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their

birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple groups

& finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the

astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings.

2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You charge

the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone

needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his career,

till retirement. It is really time-consuming.

3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything

*unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is

astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own

expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still

many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of

paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work.

 

I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let me

know...

Thank you,

.

 

vedic astrology, " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on

> the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are

> people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods

> from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds

> of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost

> as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a

> cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious'

> aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the

> respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to

> receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not

> kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference

> between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is

> very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases.

>

> An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

> quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

> (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since

> most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

> technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and

> is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for

> anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to

> feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

>

> Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye

> or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand

> dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have

> purchased a house instead!

>

> I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature.

> If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for

> free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish

> quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in

> the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally

> being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service,

> just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for

> free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor

> son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to

> poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine

> does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or

> adharmik Rakshashs or greedy!

>

> This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Shree RRji,

I never accused you of creating this custom. Whatever I mentioned in

the early part of the mail, is a custom,which has turned from some

form of belief.

Now I know, many people will not consider such Prarabdha, as they are

not spiritual like you or me, who believe in the principle of past deeds.

I dont need to explain you abt why I take Dakshina. I just cited my

personal practise regarding accepting dakshina or giving paid

astrological predictions.There are many people, who have differnt take

on this.

I hope this explains, what I tried to convey in my previous message.

Thank you,

.

 

 

vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

<jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have

> to do in this instance, Ghosh ji!

>

> vedic astrology , " "

> <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote:

> >

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna||

> > Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji,

> > Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no

> > written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the

> form

> > of fees.

>

> <<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you

> missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!>>

>

> > You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some

> > sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit

> > etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any

> > act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets

> > accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is

> > creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not

> be

> > carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash &

> > kind is made.

>

> <<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A

> BELIEF?..

>

> > Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed.

> > Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of

> > marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration?

> > Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website &

> attimes

> > mention it below any messages posted in group.

> > 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid

> questions.

> > If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There

> > are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their

> > birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple

> groups

> > & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the

> > astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings.

> > 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You

> charge

> > the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone

> > needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his

> career,

> > till retirement. It is really time-consuming.

> > 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything

> > *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is

> > astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own

> > expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still

> > many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of

> > paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work.

> >

>

> <<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE

> HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED

> TO EXPLAIN...>>

> > I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let

> me

> > know...

> > Thank you,

> > .

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed

> on

> > > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there

> are

> > > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods

> > > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the

> minds

> > > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is

> almost

> > > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a

> > > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with

> the 'religious'

> > > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the

> > > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to

> > > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not

> > > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference

> > > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges

> is

> > > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases.

> > >

> > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

> > > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

> > > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and

> since

> > > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

> > > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned

> and

> > > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for

> > > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual

> to

> > > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

> > >

> > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an

> eye

> > > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand

> > > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have

> > > purchased a house instead!

> > >

> > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and

> mature.

> > > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for

> > > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not

> jyotish

> > > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just

> in

> > > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally

> > > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free

> service,

> > > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for

> > > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his

> doctor

> > > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed

> free to

> > > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine

> > > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks

> or

> > > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy!

> > >

> > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish

> community!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> >

>

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||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Mr.Shankar,

Thank you for the kind words. In fact, the fees that receive for

predictions is either spent on buying astro or religious books, else

spent on the deities seva at my home.

I hope to give quality predictions, unlike many people are doing, in

form of professional readings, or speaking about things, which our

intellect is unable to catch & confuse ourselves.

I am concerned about earning through astrology. I have my own

profession, though I am having toughtime in finding a job now, still I

know, at least that My dear lord is always there to take care of me.

If His blessings are always with me, I can certainly give correct

predictions.

Thank you for your kind words again.

.

 

 

vedic astrology , J SHANKAR <jshankar_2002

wrote:

>

> Om Sri Ganeshaya Namaha.

>  

> Hi Gaurav,

>  

> Nothing wrong in charging for any prediction.

>  

> Please work hard, burn your midnight oil, spend the money for

learning further, in addition to running your expenses and give the

society excellent correct predictions.

>  

> Astrology is more inclined to God. And if some one is great trouble,

help with your knowledge and wisdom. Money will pour in plenty.  I

believe in this.

>  

>  

> I have met many astrollegers during my difficulty. It is true, each

person say different things.

>  

> But what is right, what is not right has to be judged by

individuals, that do not depend on the astrologer, if gods wishes to

reveal the truth, they will.

>  

> Regards

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

>

> --- On Fri, 1/9/09, <gaurav.ghosh wrote:

>

> <gaurav.ghosh

> [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

> vedic astrology

> Friday, January 9, 2009, 7:17 AM

||Jai Ramakrishna| |

> Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji,

> Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no

> written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the form

> of fees. You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some

> sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit

> etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any

> act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets

> accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is

> creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not be

> carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash &

> kind is made.

> Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed.

> Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of

> marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration?

> Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & attimes

> mention it below any messages posted in group.

> 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid questions.

> If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There

> are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their

> birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple groups

> & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the

> astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings.

> 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You charge

> the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone

> needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his career,

> till retirement. It is really time-consuming.

> 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything

> *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is

> astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own

> expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still

> many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of

> paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work.

>

> I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let me

> know...

> Thank you,

> .

>

> vedic astrology, " Rohiniranjan "

> <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on

> > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are

> > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods

> > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds

> > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost

> > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a

> > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious'

> > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the

> > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to

> > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not

> > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference

> > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is

> > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases.

> >

> > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

> > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

> > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since

> > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

> > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and

> > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for

> > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to

> > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

> >

> > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye

> > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand

> > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have

> > purchased a house instead!

> >

> > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature.

> > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for

> > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish

> > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in

> > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally

> > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service,

> > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for

> > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor

> > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to

> > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine

> > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or

> > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy!

> >

> > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Hello Fiends,

 

Firstly the income through Jyotish or Astrology may or may not spent on causes

like buying more books. Let there be no reasons be given for that.

 

An Astrologer spends his/her sweat and toil for learning, studying, experiencing

the Subject, which is no less a toil than even doing a Masters or a Phd degree.

Mind you I am speaking of the devoted Jyotish or Astrology researchers.

 

Where he/she spends such incomes should be for a good cause..whatever, but a

good cause.Simply. We live in this material world swayed by Maya, dont We? A

good cause for me may not be yours/others.

 

Someone mentioned that the person going to many astrologers, should try to

understand who is talking correct or not or judge by themselves.

Mostly a person goes to an astrologer/Jyotish in troubles, anguish etc. and

after that it would be an added discomfort to guage the astrologer/Jyotishes

capability.

 

A person seeking an astrologer/Jyotish's predictions, should check up what the

astrologer/Jyotish is able to tell about the past and present state.

 

I wonder, if a person had to study Jyotish/astrology like one does his

Masters/Phd and devoted his/her life in Learning.. does not require money to get

himself going satisfactorily.. whatever good cause/s

 

Mind you, I am a Jyotish who is self sufficient through other income than

Jyotish and Palm reading.

 

Thanks Dada(RohiniRanjanji) for bringing up this topic. A wonderful

begining...as usual.

 

Let more thoughts come up.

 

RishiRahul

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology

jyotish_vani

Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:54:34 +0000

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have

 

to do in this instance, Ghosh ji!

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " "

 

<gaurav.ghosh wrote:

 

>

 

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

 

> Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji,

 

> Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no

 

> written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the

 

form

 

> of fees.

 

 

 

<<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you

 

missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!>>

 

 

 

> You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some

 

> sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit

 

> etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any

 

> act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets

 

> accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is

 

> creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not

 

be

 

> carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash &

 

> kind is made.

 

 

 

<<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A

 

BELIEF?..

 

 

 

> Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed.

 

> Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of

 

> marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration?

 

> Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website &

 

attimes

 

> mention it below any messages posted in group.

 

> 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid

 

questions.

 

> If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There

 

> are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their

 

> birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple

 

groups

 

> & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the

 

> astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings.

 

> 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You

 

charge

 

> the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone

 

> needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his

 

career,

 

> till retirement. It is really time-consuming.

 

> 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything

 

> *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is

 

> astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own

 

> expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still

 

> many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of

 

> paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work.

 

>

 

 

 

<<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE

 

HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED

 

TO EXPLAIN...>>

 

> I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let

 

me

 

> know...

 

> Thank you,

 

> .

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

 

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed

 

on

 

> > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there

 

are

 

> > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods

 

> > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the

 

minds

 

> > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is

 

almost

 

> > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a

 

> > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with

 

the 'religious'

 

> > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the

 

> > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to

 

> > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not

 

> > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference

 

> > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges

 

is

 

> > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases.

 

> >

 

> > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

 

> > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

 

> > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and

 

since

 

> > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

 

> > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned

 

and

 

> > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for

 

> > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual

 

to

 

> > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

 

> >

 

> > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an

 

eye

 

> > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand

 

> > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have

 

> > purchased a house instead!

 

> >

 

> > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and

 

mature.

 

> > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for

 

> > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not

 

jyotish

 

> > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just

 

in

 

> > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally

 

> > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free

 

service,

 

> > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for

 

> > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his

 

doctor

 

> > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed

 

free to

 

> > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine

 

> > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks

 

or

 

> > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy!

 

> >

 

> > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish

 

community!

 

> >

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sorry, the Fiends should read as 'Friends'

 

RishiRahul

 

vedic astrology

rishirahul1961

Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:16:48 +0530

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Fiends,

 

 

 

Firstly the income through Jyotish or Astrology may or may not spent on causes

like buying more books. Let there be no reasons be given for that.

 

 

 

An Astrologer spends his/her sweat and toil for learning, studying, experiencing

the Subject, which is no less a toil than even doing a Masters or a Phd degree.

Mind you I am speaking of the devoted Jyotish or Astrology researchers.

 

 

 

Where he/she spends such incomes should be for a good cause..whatever, but a

good cause.Simply. We live in this material world swayed by Maya, dont We? A

good cause for me may not be yours/others.

 

 

 

Someone mentioned that the person going to many astrologers, should try to

understand who is talking correct or not or judge by themselves.

 

Mostly a person goes to an astrologer/Jyotish in troubles, anguish etc. and

after that it would be an added discomfort to guage the astrologer/Jyotishes

capability.

 

 

 

A person seeking an astrologer/Jyotish's predictions, should check up what the

astrologer/Jyotish is able to tell about the past and present state.

 

 

 

I wonder, if a person had to study Jyotish/astrology like one does his

Masters/Phd and devoted his/her life in Learning.. does not require money to get

himself going satisfactorily.. whatever good cause/s

 

 

 

Mind you, I am a Jyotish who is self sufficient through other income than

Jyotish and Palm reading.

 

 

 

Thanks Dada(RohiniRanjanji) for bringing up this topic. A wonderful

begining...as usual.

 

 

 

Let more thoughts come up.

 

 

 

RishiRahul

 

 

 

vedic astrology

 

jyotish_vani

 

Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:54:34 +0000

 

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

 

 

 

UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have

 

 

 

to do in this instance, Ghosh ji!

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " "

 

 

 

<gaurav.ghosh wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> ||Jai Ramakrishna||

 

 

 

> Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji,

 

 

 

> Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no

 

 

 

> written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the

 

 

 

form

 

 

 

> of fees.

 

 

 

<<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you

 

 

 

missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!>>

 

 

 

> You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some

 

 

 

> sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit

 

 

 

> etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any

 

 

 

> act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets

 

 

 

> accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is

 

 

 

> creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not

 

 

 

be

 

 

 

> carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash &

 

 

 

> kind is made.

 

 

 

<<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A

 

 

 

BELIEF?..

 

 

 

> Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed.

 

 

 

> Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of

 

 

 

> marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration?

 

 

 

> Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website &

 

 

 

attimes

 

 

 

> mention it below any messages posted in group.

 

 

 

> 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid

 

 

 

questions.

 

 

 

> If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There

 

 

 

> are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their

 

 

 

> birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple

 

 

 

groups

 

 

 

> & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the

 

 

 

> astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings.

 

 

 

> 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You

 

 

 

charge

 

 

 

> the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone

 

 

 

> needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his

 

 

 

career,

 

 

 

> till retirement. It is really time-consuming.

 

 

 

> 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything

 

 

 

> *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is

 

 

 

> astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own

 

 

 

> expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still

 

 

 

> many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of

 

 

 

> paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

<<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE

 

 

 

HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED

 

 

 

TO EXPLAIN...>>

 

 

 

> I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let

 

 

 

me

 

 

 

> know...

 

 

 

> Thank you,

 

 

 

> .

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

 

 

 

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed

 

 

 

on

 

 

 

> > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there

 

 

 

are

 

 

 

> > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods

 

 

 

> > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the

 

 

 

minds

 

 

 

> > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is

 

 

 

almost

 

 

 

> > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a

 

 

 

> > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with

 

 

 

the 'religious'

 

 

 

> > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the

 

 

 

> > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to

 

 

 

> > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not

 

 

 

> > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference

 

 

 

> > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges

 

 

 

is

 

 

 

> > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases.

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

 

 

 

> > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

 

 

 

> > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and

 

 

 

since

 

 

 

> > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

 

 

 

> > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned

 

 

 

and

 

 

 

> > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for

 

 

 

> > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual

 

 

 

to

 

 

 

> > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an

 

 

 

eye

 

 

 

> > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand

 

 

 

> > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have

 

 

 

> > purchased a house instead!

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and

 

 

 

mature.

 

 

 

> > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for

 

 

 

> > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not

 

 

 

jyotish

 

 

 

> > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just

 

 

 

in

 

 

 

> > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally

 

 

 

> > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free

 

 

 

service,

 

 

 

> > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for

 

 

 

> > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his

 

 

 

doctor

 

 

 

> > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed

 

 

 

free to

 

 

 

> > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine

 

 

 

> > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

> > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy!

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish

 

 

 

community!

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

> >

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It all takes about from where we are coming. Do we have money in abundance or we

live on scarcity, if abundance, then we need for looking at income from

astrology. I think there are many people living based on astrological income.

 

 

I have looked at different replies on these emails, and like to give the

following feedback.

 

There is no one message on thanks giving. Is that the  predictions not working.

Also people are asking how it is predicted!!!!!! I think no astrologer will say

that.

 

 

Our  confidence to the astrologers goes up by the predictions they make.

And I believe GOD gives a helping hand and good astologer when we are really in

need.

 

It is tough to see people going through different types of trouble in life. I

pray to GOD for a faster recovery to them from their trouble.

 

A good and correct prediction is a great service to the humanity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 1/9/09, RishiRahul <rishirahul1961 wrote:

 

RishiRahul <rishirahul1961

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

" vedic astrology " <vedic astrology >

Friday, January 9, 2009, 10:19 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, the Fiends should read as 'Friends'

 

RishiRahul

 

vedic astrology

rishirahul1961@ hotmail.com

Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:16:48 +0530

RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

 

Hello Fiends,

 

Firstly the income through Jyotish or Astrology may or may not spent on causes

like buying more books. Let there be no reasons be given for that.

 

An Astrologer spends his/her sweat and toil for learning, studying, experiencing

the Subject, which is no less a toil than even doing a Masters or a Phd degree.

Mind you I am speaking of the devoted Jyotish or Astrology researchers.

 

Where he/she spends such incomes should be for a good cause..whatever, but a

good cause.Simply. We live in this material world swayed by Maya, dont We? A

good cause for me may not be yours/others.

 

Someone mentioned that the person going to many astrologers, should try to

understand who is talking correct or not or judge by themselves.

 

Mostly a person goes to an astrologer/Jyotish in troubles, anguish etc. and

after that it would be an added discomfort to guage the astrologer/Jyotishe s

capability.

 

A person seeking an astrologer/Jyotish' s predictions, should check up what the

astrologer/Jyotish is able to tell about the past and present state.

 

I wonder, if a person had to study Jyotish/astrology like one does his

Masters/Phd and devoted his/her life in Learning.. does not require money to get

himself going satisfactorily. . whatever good cause/s

 

Mind you, I am a Jyotish who is self sufficient through other income than

Jyotish and Palm reading.

 

Thanks Dada(RohiniRanjanji ) for bringing up this topic. A wonderful

begining...as usual.

 

Let more thoughts come up.

 

RishiRahul

 

vedic astrology

 

jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com

 

Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:54:34 +0000

 

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

 

UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have

 

to do in this instance, Ghosh ji!

 

vedic astrology, " "

 

<gaurav.ghosh@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> ||Jai Ramakrishna| |

 

> Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji,

 

> Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no

 

> written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the

 

form

 

> of fees.

 

<<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you

 

missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!>>

 

> You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some

 

> sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit

 

> etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any

 

> act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets

 

> accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is

 

> creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not

 

be

 

> carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash &

 

> kind is made.

 

<<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A

 

BELIEF?..

 

> Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed.

 

> Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of

 

> marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration?

 

> Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website &

 

attimes

 

> mention it below any messages posted in group.

 

> 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid

 

questions.

 

> If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There

 

> are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their

 

> birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple

 

groups

 

> & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the

 

> astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings.

 

> 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You

 

charge

 

> the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone

 

> needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his

 

career,

 

> till retirement. It is really time-consuming.

 

> 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything

 

> *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is

 

> astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own

 

> expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still

 

> many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of

 

> paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work.

 

>

 

<<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE

 

HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED

 

TO EXPLAIN...>>

 

> I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let

 

me

 

> know...

 

> Thank you,

 

> .

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> vedic astrology, " Rohiniranjan "

 

> <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

 

> >

 

> > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed

 

on

 

> > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there

 

are

 

> > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods

 

> > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the

 

minds

 

> > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is

 

almost

 

> > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a

 

> > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with

 

the 'religious'

 

> > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the

 

> > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to

 

> > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not

 

> > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference

 

> > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges

 

is

 

> > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases.

 

> >

 

> > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

 

> > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

 

> > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and

 

since

 

> > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

 

> > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned

 

and

 

> > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for

 

> > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual

 

to

 

> > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

 

> >

 

> > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an

 

eye

 

> > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand

 

> > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have

 

> > purchased a house instead!

 

> >

 

> > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and

 

mature.

 

> > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for

 

> > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not

 

jyotish

 

> > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just

 

in

 

> > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally

 

> > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free

 

service,

 

> > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for

 

> > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his

 

doctor

 

> > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed

 

free to

 

> > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine

 

> > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks

 

or

 

> > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy!

 

> >

 

> > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish

 

community!

 

> >

 

> > Rohiniranjan

 

> >

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear J (Sorry I did not catch your full first name),

 

Astrology, for the client and practitioner (paid in cash or kind and

kind can be spiritual currency known as 'Dharma'!), should never be

where they are coming from but where they are going or want to go and

where Jyotish will lead them to!

 

If we are determined to remain cloistered in the very room where we

have always been (past) and thus KNOW each nook and cranny of this

room known as past, then what would be the the need for the LIGHT of

JYOTISH? We need the Divine BEACON of Jyotish so that we may find out

if this room has a door or a window out of which we may venture forth

or at least look out of and plan for the next lifetime!

 

Sometimes a jyotish reading can initiate that *spark* that may create

a future!

 

PLEASE UNDERSTAND: This is not a PROMO for my services!

 

RR

 

vedic astrology , J SHANKAR <jshankar_2002

wrote:

>

> It all takes about from where we are coming. Do we have money in

abundance or we live on scarcity, if abundance, then we need for

looking at income from astrology. I think there are many people

living based on astrological income.

>  

>  

> I have looked at different replies on these emails, and like to

give the following feedback.

>  

> There is no one message on thanks giving. Is that the  predictions

not working.

> Also people are asking how it is predicted!!!!!! I think no

astrologer will say that.

>  

>  

> Our  confidence to the astrologers goes up by the predictions they

make.

> And I believe GOD gives a helping hand and good astologer when we

are really in need.

>  

> It is tough to see people going through different types of trouble

in life. I pray to GOD for a faster recovery to them from their

trouble.

>  

> A good and correct prediction is a great service to the humanity.

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

>

> --- On Fri, 1/9/09, RishiRahul <rishirahul1961 wrote:

>

> RishiRahul <rishirahul1961

> RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

> " vedic astrology " <vedic-

astrology >

> Friday, January 9, 2009, 10:19 AM

>

Sorry, the Fiends should read as 'Friends'

>

> RishiRahul

>

> vedic astrology

> rishirahul1961@ hotmail.com

> Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:16:48 +0530

> RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

>

> Hello Fiends,

>

> Firstly the income through Jyotish or Astrology may or may not

spent on causes like buying more books. Let there be no reasons be

given for that.

>

> An Astrologer spends his/her sweat and toil for learning, studying,

experiencing the Subject, which is no less a toil than even doing a

Masters or a Phd degree. Mind you I am speaking of the devoted

Jyotish or Astrology researchers.

>

> Where he/she spends such incomes should be for a good

cause..whatever, but a good cause.Simply. We live in this material

world swayed by Maya, dont We? A good cause for me may not be

yours/others.

>

> Someone mentioned that the person going to many astrologers, should

try to understand who is talking correct or not or judge by

themselves.

>

> Mostly a person goes to an astrologer/Jyotish in troubles, anguish

etc. and after that it would be an added discomfort to guage the

astrologer/Jyotishe s capability.

>

> A person seeking an astrologer/Jyotish' s predictions, should check

up what the astrologer/Jyotish is able to tell about the past and

present state.

>

> I wonder, if a person had to study Jyotish/astrology like one does

his Masters/Phd and devoted his/her life in Learning.. does not

require money to get himself going satisfactorily. . whatever good

cause/s

>

> Mind you, I am a Jyotish who is self sufficient through other

income than Jyotish and Palm reading.

>

> Thanks Dada(RohiniRanjanji ) for bringing up this topic. A

wonderful begining...as usual.

>

> Let more thoughts come up.

>

> RishiRahul

>

> vedic astrology

>

> jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com

>

> Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:54:34 +0000

>

> [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees...

>

> UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have

>

> to do in this instance, Ghosh ji!

>

> vedic astrology, " "

>

> <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > ||Jai Ramakrishna| |

>

> > Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji,

>

> > Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no

>

> > written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the

>

> form

>

> > of fees.

>

> <<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly

you

>

> missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!

>>

>

> > You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some

>

> > sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit

>

> > etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty

handed.Any

>

> > act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets

>

> > accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer

is

>

> > creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should

not

>

> be

>

> > carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of

cash &

>

> > kind is made.

>

> <<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A

>

> BELIEF?..

>

> > Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty

handed.

>

> > Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of

>

> > marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration?

>

> > Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website &

>

> attimes

>

> > mention it below any messages posted in group.

>

> > 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid

>

> questions.

>

> > If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query.

There

>

> > are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their

>

> > birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple

>

> groups

>

> > & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the

>

> > astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings.

>

> > 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You

>

> charge

>

> > the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if

someone

>

> > needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his

>

> career,

>

> > till retirement. It is really time-consuming.

>

> > 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything

>

> > *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is

>

> > astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own

>

> > expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working,

still

>

> > many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind

of

>

> > paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental

work.

>

> >

>

> <<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE

>

> HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED

>

> TO EXPLAIN...>>

>

> > I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive &

let

>

> me

>

> > know...

>

> > Thank you,

>

> > .

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > vedic astrology, " Rohiniranjan "

>

> > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed

>

> on

>

> > > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and

there

>

> are

>

> > > people who are professionals and therefore earn their

livelihoods

>

> > > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the

>

> minds

>

> > > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is

>

> almost

>

> > > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by

a

>

> > > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with

>

> the 'religious'

>

> > > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the

>

> > > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to

>

> > > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but

not

>

> > > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference

>

> > > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges

>

> is

>

> > > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases.

>

> > >

>

> > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

>

> > > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

>

> > > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and

>

> since

>

> > > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

>

> > > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be

learned

>

> and

>

> > > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason

for

>

> > > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual

>

> to

>

> > > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

>

> > >

>

> > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge

an

>

> eye

>

> > > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten

thousand

>

> > > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have

>

> > > purchased a house instead!

>

> > >

>

> > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and

>

> mature.

>

> > > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services

for

>

> > > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not

>

> jyotish

>

> > > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but

just

>

> in

>

> > > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally

>

> > > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free

>

> service,

>

> > > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services

for

>

> > > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his

>

> doctor

>

> > > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed

>

> free to

>

> > > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free

medicine

>

> > > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are

crooks

>

> or

>

> > > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy!

>

> > >

>

> > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish

>

> community!

>

> > >

>

> > > Rohiniranjan

>

> > >

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear François,

 

This is where consultation acquires its individual and generally not

revealed or transparently shared standard operating

procedure/protocol (SOP).

 

The professional astrologers, I presume, would not be averse to

sharing that information with you if you ask them during or perhaps

prior to consultation, j'espere?

 

Then again, when was the last time you asked your physician how

exactly he figures out what is wrong with you that is causing the

excruciating pain in the small of the back (kidney region), and the

algorithm he or she uses to relieve you of your pain that is killing

you?

 

Perhaps the astrological pain is not that severe but judging by

the " urgent help required! " messages posted on the jyotish fora, one

wonders if they entered the Emergency Room of a Detroit Hospital by

accident!

 

RR

vedic astrology , " carriere.francois "

<carriere.francois wrote:

>

> Hello Rohiniranjan and Seasons' Greetings to all,

>

> vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan "

> <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

>

> > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the

> quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work

> (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since

> most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a

> technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned

and

> is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for

> anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to

> feel embarassed or have to hide that fact!

>

> First, I believe any astrologer usually deserve his wage, given it

is

> a reasonable one. So, everything in this regard has to do with the

> environment. For instance, I don't expect an astrologer who lives

in

> India (where apparently living costs are lower) than one who lives

in

> the Americas... But, then again, it " depends " ...

>

> Now, there is something more important then wage (or fees), to mee.

> As a client, when we " pay " , we expect a good reading. So I am

> wondering, how does an astrologer prepare its reading? When his

> potential client calls, will he ask for its birth data and the

reason

> for the reading, to be able to spend some time to study the chart?

>

> Then, the other question. What about those astrologers who don't

ask

> about anything but to be there on a given appointment? Can this be

> also a good reading?

>

> I remember an old French tropical astrologer, Henri-Joseph Gouchon,

> who asked to prepare the reading...

>

> --

> Best regards,

> François

>

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Dear Francois,

 

Without knowing more specific details about your personal experience it

would be reckless on my part to make a judgment in your particular case.

 

Over the past many years (decades actually!) I have heard stories like

these, more DIRECT than you have shared on this public forum and it

just keeps bringing the old chinese adage to the fore of my mind:

 

You fish for them, you feed them today, but teach them how to fish and

you feed them for a lifetime <and create an industry>

 

The part in <> is not of chinese origin but in this lifetime of indian

origin or shall we say: Indo-Canadian ;-)

 

RR

 

vedic astrology , " carriere.francois "

<carriere.francois wrote:

>

> Hello again,

>

> So, if I understand you correctly, a professional astrologer (and in

> the fact of a young jyotishi who would have learned his science on

the

> knees of his Guru, instead of playing ball ;-) should be able to give

> me a serious reading, with rectification as requested, within, let's

> say, a two hour session (orally, of course)!? Then I caused a

jyotishi

> in Montreal to loose time and money by not showing...

>

> --

> Regards,

> François

>

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