Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious' aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases. An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have purchased a house instead! I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature. If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service, just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or adharmik Rakshashs or greedy! This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji, Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the form of fees. You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not be carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash & kind is made. Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed. Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration? Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & attimes mention it below any messages posted in group. 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid questions. If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple groups & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings. 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You charge the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his career, till retirement. It is really time-consuming. 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work. I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let me know... Thank you, . vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious' > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases. > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have > purchased a house instead! > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature. > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service, > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy! > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community! > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have to do in this instance, Ghosh ji! vedic astrology , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji, > Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no > written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the form > of fees. <<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!>> > You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some > sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit > etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any > act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets > accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is > creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not be > carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash & > kind is made. <<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A BELIEF?.. > Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed. > Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of > marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration? > Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & attimes > mention it below any messages posted in group. > 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid questions. > If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There > are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their > birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple groups > & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the > astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings. > 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You charge > the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone > needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his career, > till retirement. It is really time-consuming. > 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything > *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is > astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own > expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still > many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of > paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work. > <<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED TO EXPLAIN...>> > I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let me > know... > Thank you, > . > > > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on > > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are > > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods > > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds > > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost > > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a > > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious' > > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the > > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to > > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not > > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference > > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is > > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases. > > > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the > > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work > > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since > > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a > > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and > > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for > > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to > > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! > > > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye > > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand > > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have > > purchased a house instead! > > > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature. > > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for > > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish > > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in > > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally > > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service, > > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for > > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor > > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to > > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine > > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or > > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy! > > > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Om Sri Ganeshaya Namaha. Hi Gaurav, Nothing wrong in charging for any prediction. Please work hard, burn your midnight oil, spend the money for learning further, in addition to running your expenses and give the society excellent correct predictions. Astrology is more inclined to God. And if some one is great trouble, help with your knowledge and wisdom. Money will pour in plenty. I believe in this. I have met many astrollegers during my difficulty. It is true, each person say different things. But what is right, what is not right has to be judged by individuals, that do not depend on the astrologer, if gods wishes to reveal the truth, they will. Regards --- On Fri, 1/9/09, <gaurav.ghosh wrote: <gaurav.ghosh [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... vedic astrology Friday, January 9, 2009, 7:17 AM ||Jai Ramakrishna| | Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji, Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the form of fees. You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not be carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash & kind is made. Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed. Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration? Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & attimes mention it below any messages posted in group. 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid questions. If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple groups & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings. 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You charge the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his career, till retirement. It is really time-consuming. 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work. I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let me know... Thank you, . vedic astrology, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious' > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases. > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have > purchased a house instead! > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature. > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service, > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy! > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community! > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Shree RRji, I never accused you of creating this custom. Whatever I mentioned in the early part of the mail, is a custom,which has turned from some form of belief. Now I know, many people will not consider such Prarabdha, as they are not spiritual like you or me, who believe in the principle of past deeds. I dont need to explain you abt why I take Dakshina. I just cited my personal practise regarding accepting dakshina or giving paid astrological predictions.There are many people, who have differnt take on this. I hope this explains, what I tried to convey in my previous message. Thank you, . vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have > to do in this instance, Ghosh ji! > > vedic astrology , " " > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji, > > Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no > > written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the > form > > of fees. > > <<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you > missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!>> > > > You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some > > sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit > > etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any > > act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets > > accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is > > creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not > be > > carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash & > > kind is made. > > <<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A > BELIEF?.. > > > Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed. > > Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of > > marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration? > > Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & > attimes > > mention it below any messages posted in group. > > 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid > questions. > > If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There > > are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their > > birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple > groups > > & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the > > astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings. > > 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You > charge > > the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone > > needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his > career, > > till retirement. It is really time-consuming. > > 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything > > *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is > > astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own > > expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still > > many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of > > paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work. > > > > <<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE > HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED > TO EXPLAIN...>> > > I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let > me > > know... > > Thank you, > > . > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed > on > > > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there > are > > > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods > > > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the > minds > > > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is > almost > > > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a > > > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with > the 'religious' > > > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the > > > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to > > > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not > > > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference > > > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges > is > > > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases. > > > > > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the > > > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work > > > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and > since > > > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a > > > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned > and > > > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for > > > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual > to > > > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! > > > > > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an > eye > > > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand > > > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have > > > purchased a house instead! > > > > > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and > mature. > > > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for > > > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not > jyotish > > > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just > in > > > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally > > > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free > service, > > > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for > > > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his > doctor > > > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed > free to > > > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine > > > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks > or > > > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy! > > > > > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish > community! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Shankar, Thank you for the kind words. In fact, the fees that receive for predictions is either spent on buying astro or religious books, else spent on the deities seva at my home. I hope to give quality predictions, unlike many people are doing, in form of professional readings, or speaking about things, which our intellect is unable to catch & confuse ourselves. I am concerned about earning through astrology. I have my own profession, though I am having toughtime in finding a job now, still I know, at least that My dear lord is always there to take care of me. If His blessings are always with me, I can certainly give correct predictions. Thank you for your kind words again. . vedic astrology , J SHANKAR <jshankar_2002 wrote: > > Om Sri Ganeshaya Namaha. > > Hi Gaurav, > > Nothing wrong in charging for any prediction. > > Please work hard, burn your midnight oil, spend the money for learning further, in addition to running your expenses and give the society excellent correct predictions. > > Astrology is more inclined to God. And if some one is great trouble, help with your knowledge and wisdom. Money will pour in plenty. I believe in this. > > > I have met many astrollegers during my difficulty. It is true, each person say different things. > > But what is right, what is not right has to be judged by individuals, that do not depend on the astrologer, if gods wishes to reveal the truth, they will. > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/9/09, <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > <gaurav.ghosh > [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... > vedic astrology > Friday, January 9, 2009, 7:17 AM ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji, > Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no > written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the form > of fees. You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some > sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit > etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any > act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets > accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is > creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not be > carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash & > kind is made. > Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed. > Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of > marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration? > Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & attimes > mention it below any messages posted in group. > 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid questions. > If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There > are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their > birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple groups > & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the > astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings. > 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You charge > the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone > needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his career, > till retirement. It is really time-consuming. > 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything > *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is > astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own > expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still > many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of > paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work. > > I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let me > know... > Thank you, > . > > vedic astrology, " Rohiniranjan " > <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on > > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are > > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods > > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds > > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost > > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a > > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious' > > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the > > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to > > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not > > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference > > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is > > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases. > > > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the > > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work > > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since > > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a > > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and > > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for > > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to > > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! > > > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye > > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand > > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have > > purchased a house instead! > > > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature. > > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for > > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish > > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in > > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally > > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service, > > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for > > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor > > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to > > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine > > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or > > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy! > > > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Hello Fiends, Firstly the income through Jyotish or Astrology may or may not spent on causes like buying more books. Let there be no reasons be given for that. An Astrologer spends his/her sweat and toil for learning, studying, experiencing the Subject, which is no less a toil than even doing a Masters or a Phd degree. Mind you I am speaking of the devoted Jyotish or Astrology researchers. Where he/she spends such incomes should be for a good cause..whatever, but a good cause.Simply. We live in this material world swayed by Maya, dont We? A good cause for me may not be yours/others. Someone mentioned that the person going to many astrologers, should try to understand who is talking correct or not or judge by themselves. Mostly a person goes to an astrologer/Jyotish in troubles, anguish etc. and after that it would be an added discomfort to guage the astrologer/Jyotishes capability. A person seeking an astrologer/Jyotish's predictions, should check up what the astrologer/Jyotish is able to tell about the past and present state. I wonder, if a person had to study Jyotish/astrology like one does his Masters/Phd and devoted his/her life in Learning.. does not require money to get himself going satisfactorily.. whatever good cause/s Mind you, I am a Jyotish who is self sufficient through other income than Jyotish and Palm reading. Thanks Dada(RohiniRanjanji) for bringing up this topic. A wonderful begining...as usual. Let more thoughts come up. RishiRahul vedic astrology jyotish_vani Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:54:34 +0000 [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have to do in this instance, Ghosh ji! vedic astrology , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji, > Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no > written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the form > of fees. <<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!>> > You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some > sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit > etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any > act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets > accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is > creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not be > carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash & > kind is made. <<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A BELIEF?.. > Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed. > Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of > marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration? > Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & attimes > mention it below any messages posted in group. > 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid questions. > If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There > are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their > birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple groups > & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the > astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings. > 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You charge > the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone > needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his career, > till retirement. It is really time-consuming. > 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything > *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is > astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own > expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still > many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of > paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work. > <<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED TO EXPLAIN...>> > I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let me > know... > Thank you, > . > > > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on > > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are > > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods > > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds > > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost > > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a > > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious' > > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the > > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to > > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not > > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference > > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is > > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases. > > > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the > > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work > > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since > > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a > > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and > > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for > > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to > > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! > > > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye > > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand > > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have > > purchased a house instead! > > > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature. > > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for > > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish > > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in > > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally > > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service, > > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for > > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor > > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to > > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine > > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or > > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy! > > > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > _______________ For the freshest Indian Jobs Visit MSN Jobs http://www.in.msn.com/jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Sorry, the Fiends should read as 'Friends' RishiRahul vedic astrology rishirahul1961 Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:16:48 +0530 RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... Hello Fiends, Firstly the income through Jyotish or Astrology may or may not spent on causes like buying more books. Let there be no reasons be given for that. An Astrologer spends his/her sweat and toil for learning, studying, experiencing the Subject, which is no less a toil than even doing a Masters or a Phd degree. Mind you I am speaking of the devoted Jyotish or Astrology researchers. Where he/she spends such incomes should be for a good cause..whatever, but a good cause.Simply. We live in this material world swayed by Maya, dont We? A good cause for me may not be yours/others. Someone mentioned that the person going to many astrologers, should try to understand who is talking correct or not or judge by themselves. Mostly a person goes to an astrologer/Jyotish in troubles, anguish etc. and after that it would be an added discomfort to guage the astrologer/Jyotishes capability. A person seeking an astrologer/Jyotish's predictions, should check up what the astrologer/Jyotish is able to tell about the past and present state. I wonder, if a person had to study Jyotish/astrology like one does his Masters/Phd and devoted his/her life in Learning.. does not require money to get himself going satisfactorily.. whatever good cause/s Mind you, I am a Jyotish who is self sufficient through other income than Jyotish and Palm reading. Thanks Dada(RohiniRanjanji) for bringing up this topic. A wonderful begining...as usual. Let more thoughts come up. RishiRahul vedic astrology jyotish_vani Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:54:34 +0000 [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have to do in this instance, Ghosh ji! vedic astrology , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji, > Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no > written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the form > of fees. <<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!>> > You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some > sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit > etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any > act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets > accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is > creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not be > carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash & > kind is made. <<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A BELIEF?.. > Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed. > Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of > marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration? > Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & attimes > mention it below any messages posted in group. > 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid questions. > If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There > are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their > birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple groups > & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the > astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings. > 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You charge > the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone > needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his career, > till retirement. It is really time-consuming. > 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything > *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is > astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own > expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still > many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of > paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work. > <<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED TO EXPLAIN...>> > I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let me > know... > Thank you, > . > > > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on > > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are > > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods > > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds > > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost > > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a > > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious' > > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the > > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to > > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not > > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference > > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is > > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases. > > > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the > > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work > > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since > > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a > > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and > > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for > > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to > > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! > > > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye > > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand > > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have > > purchased a house instead! > > > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature. > > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for > > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish > > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in > > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally > > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service, > > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for > > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor > > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to > > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine > > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or > > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy! > > > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > ________ For the freshest Indian Jobs Visit MSN Jobs http://www.in.msn.com/jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Freudian slip ;-) vedic astrology , RishiRahul <rishirahul1961 wrote: > > > Sorry, the Fiends should read as 'Friends' > > RishiRahul > .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 It all takes about from where we are coming. Do we have money in abundance or we live on scarcity, if abundance, then we need for looking at income from astrology. I think there are many people living based on astrological income. I have looked at different replies on these emails, and like to give the following feedback. There is no one message on thanks giving. Is that the predictions not working. Also people are asking how it is predicted!!!!!! I think no astrologer will say that. Our confidence to the astrologers goes up by the predictions they make. And I believe GOD gives a helping hand and good astologer when we are really in need. It is tough to see people going through different types of trouble in life. I pray to GOD for a faster recovery to them from their trouble. A good and correct prediction is a great service to the humanity. --- On Fri, 1/9/09, RishiRahul <rishirahul1961 wrote: RishiRahul <rishirahul1961 RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... " vedic astrology " <vedic astrology > Friday, January 9, 2009, 10:19 AM Sorry, the Fiends should read as 'Friends' RishiRahul vedic astrology rishirahul1961@ hotmail.com Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:16:48 +0530 RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... Hello Fiends, Firstly the income through Jyotish or Astrology may or may not spent on causes like buying more books. Let there be no reasons be given for that. An Astrologer spends his/her sweat and toil for learning, studying, experiencing the Subject, which is no less a toil than even doing a Masters or a Phd degree. Mind you I am speaking of the devoted Jyotish or Astrology researchers. Where he/she spends such incomes should be for a good cause..whatever, but a good cause.Simply. We live in this material world swayed by Maya, dont We? A good cause for me may not be yours/others. Someone mentioned that the person going to many astrologers, should try to understand who is talking correct or not or judge by themselves. Mostly a person goes to an astrologer/Jyotish in troubles, anguish etc. and after that it would be an added discomfort to guage the astrologer/Jyotishe s capability. A person seeking an astrologer/Jyotish' s predictions, should check up what the astrologer/Jyotish is able to tell about the past and present state. I wonder, if a person had to study Jyotish/astrology like one does his Masters/Phd and devoted his/her life in Learning.. does not require money to get himself going satisfactorily. . whatever good cause/s Mind you, I am a Jyotish who is self sufficient through other income than Jyotish and Palm reading. Thanks Dada(RohiniRanjanji ) for bringing up this topic. A wonderful begining...as usual. Let more thoughts come up. RishiRahul vedic astrology jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:54:34 +0000 [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have to do in this instance, Ghosh ji! vedic astrology, " " <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji, > Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no > written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the form > of fees. <<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay!>> > You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some > sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit > etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any > act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets > accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is > creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not be > carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash & > kind is made. <<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A BELIEF?.. > Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed. > Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of > marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration? > Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & attimes > mention it below any messages posted in group. > 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid questions. > If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There > are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their > birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple groups > & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the > astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings. > 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You charge > the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone > needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his career, > till retirement. It is really time-consuming. > 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything > *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is > astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own > expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still > many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of > paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work. > <<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED TO EXPLAIN...>> > I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let me > know... > Thank you, > . > > > > vedic astrology, " Rohiniranjan " > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed on > > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there are > > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods > > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the minds > > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is almost > > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a > > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with the 'religious' > > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the > > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to > > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not > > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference > > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges is > > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases. > > > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the > > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work > > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since > > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a > > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and > > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for > > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to > > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! > > > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an eye > > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand > > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have > > purchased a house instead! > > > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and mature. > > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for > > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not jyotish > > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just in > > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally > > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free service, > > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for > > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his doctor > > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed free to > > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine > > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks or > > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy! > > > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish community! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ For the freshest Indian Jobs Visit MSN Jobs http://www.in. msn.com/jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Dear J (Sorry I did not catch your full first name), Astrology, for the client and practitioner (paid in cash or kind and kind can be spiritual currency known as 'Dharma'!), should never be where they are coming from but where they are going or want to go and where Jyotish will lead them to! If we are determined to remain cloistered in the very room where we have always been (past) and thus KNOW each nook and cranny of this room known as past, then what would be the the need for the LIGHT of JYOTISH? We need the Divine BEACON of Jyotish so that we may find out if this room has a door or a window out of which we may venture forth or at least look out of and plan for the next lifetime! Sometimes a jyotish reading can initiate that *spark* that may create a future! PLEASE UNDERSTAND: This is not a PROMO for my services! RR vedic astrology , J SHANKAR <jshankar_2002 wrote: > > It all takes about from where we are coming. Do we have money in abundance or we live on scarcity, if abundance, then we need for looking at income from astrology. I think there are many people living based on astrological income. > > > I have looked at different replies on these emails, and like to give the following feedback. > > There is no one message on thanks giving. Is that the predictions not working. > Also people are asking how it is predicted!!!!!! I think no astrologer will say that. > > > Our confidence to the astrologers goes up by the predictions they make. > And I believe GOD gives a helping hand and good astologer when we are really in need. > > It is tough to see people going through different types of trouble in life. I pray to GOD for a faster recovery to them from their trouble. > > A good and correct prediction is a great service to the humanity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/9/09, RishiRahul <rishirahul1961 wrote: > > RishiRahul <rishirahul1961 > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... > " vedic astrology " <vedic- astrology > > Friday, January 9, 2009, 10:19 AM > Sorry, the Fiends should read as 'Friends' > > RishiRahul > > vedic astrology > rishirahul1961@ hotmail.com > Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:16:48 +0530 > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... > > Hello Fiends, > > Firstly the income through Jyotish or Astrology may or may not spent on causes like buying more books. Let there be no reasons be given for that. > > An Astrologer spends his/her sweat and toil for learning, studying, experiencing the Subject, which is no less a toil than even doing a Masters or a Phd degree. Mind you I am speaking of the devoted Jyotish or Astrology researchers. > > Where he/she spends such incomes should be for a good cause..whatever, but a good cause.Simply. We live in this material world swayed by Maya, dont We? A good cause for me may not be yours/others. > > Someone mentioned that the person going to many astrologers, should try to understand who is talking correct or not or judge by themselves. > > Mostly a person goes to an astrologer/Jyotish in troubles, anguish etc. and after that it would be an added discomfort to guage the astrologer/Jyotishe s capability. > > A person seeking an astrologer/Jyotish' s predictions, should check up what the astrologer/Jyotish is able to tell about the past and present state. > > I wonder, if a person had to study Jyotish/astrology like one does his Masters/Phd and devoted his/her life in Learning.. does not require money to get himself going satisfactorily. . whatever good cause/s > > Mind you, I am a Jyotish who is self sufficient through other income than Jyotish and Palm reading. > > Thanks Dada(RohiniRanjanji ) for bringing up this topic. A wonderful begining...as usual. > > Let more thoughts come up. > > RishiRahul > > vedic astrology > > jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com > > Fri, 9 Jan 2009 03:54:34 +0000 > > [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology and Fees... > > UPPER CASE which I always try to avoid when responding -- will have > > to do in this instance, Ghosh ji! > > vedic astrology, " " > > <gaurav.ghosh@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna| | > > > Dear Shree Rohiniranjanji, > > > Well said. However, I cannot accept all your points. There is no > > > written rule in astrology that you have to give " dakshina " in the > > form > > > of fees. > > <<RR: IT WAS NOT *MY* POINT SIR! AS IN CREATED BY ME! Also, sadly you > > missed the POINT of my original posting and ...!! But that is okay! >> > > > You can give anything, it might be a flower, it might be some > > > sweets, or even a " haritaki " , " amlaki(indian gooseberry) " a fruit > > > etc.So, the querist doesn't approach the astrologer empty handed.Any > > > act done by an individual is known as Kriyamaan Karma & this gets > > > accumulated as sanchita & manifests as Prarabdha.If an astrologer is > > > creating some Karma by his effort, the load of this debt should not > > be > > > carried over by the querist, so some offering, in the form of cash & > > > kind is made. > > <<RR: BASED ON WHICH STATUTE THAT APPLIES TODAY? OR IS IT JUST A > > BELIEF?.. > > > Some people say, one who goes empty handed, also comes empty handed. > > > Tell me onething, dont you give gifts while attending any kind of > > > marriage celebrations or any " Samskara " celebration? > > > Now there are two reasons why *I* charge fees in my website & > > attimes > > > mention it below any messages posted in group. > > > 1)To deter people from catching me online & ask some stupid > > questions. > > > If you are really honest, pay the fees, else post your query. There > > > are some people in this group & also other groups, who post their > > > birth details with their concerns. Now this they do in multiple > > groups > > > & finally get multiple versions of readings & then find the > > > astrologers online & crossquestion abt their readings. > > > 2)I guess, spending some time on a chart is an investment. You > > charge > > > the fees as a part of the time spent on that chart, like if someone > > > needs customised predictions, for example predictions for his > > career, > > > till retirement. It is really time-consuming. > > > 3)I dont treat astrology as a profession, so dont charge anything > > > *unaffordable* i guess. There are big shots & their profession is > > > astrology. So they might charge anything to run their own > > > expenses.Today nothing comes free. May be you or I am working, still > > > many people who chose this as a *career*,opting out from any kind of > > > paper work or physical work, rather spend their time on mental work. > > > > > <<RR: JUST TO CLARIFY -- I WAS NOT FOCUSING ON YOU OR ANYONE ELSE > > HERE SPECIFICALLY! WAS JUST A GENERIC SHARING! TRUST ME! SO NO NEED > > TO EXPLAIN...>> > > > I hope my writing makes some sense. If it doesn't do forgive & let > > me > > > know... > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " Rohiniranjan " > > > <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > There seems to be a very interesting phenomenon I have observed > > on > > > > the Jyotish scene. Though it is considered a 'service' and there > > are > > > > people who are professionals and therefore earn their livelihoods > > > > from jyotish practice -- there seems to be a big taboo in the > > minds > > > > of many around the issue of charging for one's services! It is > > almost > > > > as if it is some kind of a sacrilage and a topic surrounded by a > > > > cloud of guilt or shame. Part of it has to do with > > the 'religious' > > > > aura surrounding jyotish and the statements made by some of the > > > > respected jyotishis which seems to indicate that it is okay to > > > > receive money and dakshina etc from clients if they offer but not > > > > kosher (or Hindu equivalent) to charge. I think the difference > > > > between the dakshina concept vs clearly stated fees and charges > > is > > > > very little and somewhat hypocritical in some cases. > > > > > > > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the > > > > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work > > > > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and > > since > > > > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a > > > > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned > > and > > > > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for > > > > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual > > to > > > > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! > > > > > > > > Mind you, I am not talking about or condoning those who charge an > > eye > > > > or a tooth or offer to sell you a 2.5 carat ruby for ten thousand > > > > dollars or a Puja that will make you wonder if you should have > > > > purchased a house instead! > > > > > > > > I think as a whole, the jyotish community should grow up and > > mature. > > > > If there are those who feel a karmic burden to offer services for > > > > free (again -- I mean real, serious, offline readings and not > > jyotish > > > > quickie readings and I do not use the term derogatorily but just > > in > > > > the sense of these not taking a lot of time etc and generally > > > > being " samplers " ), they should certainly provide such free > > service, > > > > just like many older retired doctors who offer their services for > > > > free (my father-in-law did that for many many years and his > > doctor > > > > son provided free medicine samples that were then distributed > > free to > > > > poor patients), but just because some doctors offer free medicine > > > > does not mean that the other doctors that charge a fee are crooks > > or > > > > adharmik Rakshashs or greedy! > > > > > > > > This kind of game should really stop in any serious jyotish > > community! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > For the freshest Indian Jobs Visit MSN Jobs > > http://www.in. msn.com/jobs > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Dear François, This is where consultation acquires its individual and generally not revealed or transparently shared standard operating procedure/protocol (SOP). The professional astrologers, I presume, would not be averse to sharing that information with you if you ask them during or perhaps prior to consultation, j'espere? Then again, when was the last time you asked your physician how exactly he figures out what is wrong with you that is causing the excruciating pain in the small of the back (kidney region), and the algorithm he or she uses to relieve you of your pain that is killing you? Perhaps the astrological pain is not that severe but judging by the " urgent help required! " messages posted on the jyotish fora, one wonders if they entered the Emergency Room of a Detroit Hospital by accident! RR vedic astrology , " carriere.francois " <carriere.francois wrote: > > Hello Rohiniranjan and Seasons' Greetings to all, > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > An astrologer when giving a full and detailed reading (not the > quickie forum stuff!) has to put in a lot of time and hard work > (unless you are intuitive etc and have yogic powers etc) and since > most of us go blue in our faces claiming that astrology is a > technical subject and a scientific discipline and can be learned and > is transferable as any other craft etc -- I see little reason for > anyone to be criticised for charging fees or such an individual to > feel embarassed or have to hide that fact! > > First, I believe any astrologer usually deserve his wage, given it is > a reasonable one. So, everything in this regard has to do with the > environment. For instance, I don't expect an astrologer who lives in > India (where apparently living costs are lower) than one who lives in > the Americas... But, then again, it " depends " ... > > Now, there is something more important then wage (or fees), to mee. > As a client, when we " pay " , we expect a good reading. So I am > wondering, how does an astrologer prepare its reading? When his > potential client calls, will he ask for its birth data and the reason > for the reading, to be able to spend some time to study the chart? > > Then, the other question. What about those astrologers who don't ask > about anything but to be there on a given appointment? Can this be > also a good reading? > > I remember an old French tropical astrologer, Henri-Joseph Gouchon, > who asked to prepare the reading... > > -- > Best regards, > François > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Dear Francois, Without knowing more specific details about your personal experience it would be reckless on my part to make a judgment in your particular case. Over the past many years (decades actually!) I have heard stories like these, more DIRECT than you have shared on this public forum and it just keeps bringing the old chinese adage to the fore of my mind: You fish for them, you feed them today, but teach them how to fish and you feed them for a lifetime <and create an industry> The part in <> is not of chinese origin but in this lifetime of indian origin or shall we say: Indo-Canadian ;-) RR vedic astrology , " carriere.francois " <carriere.francois wrote: > > Hello again, > > So, if I understand you correctly, a professional astrologer (and in > the fact of a young jyotishi who would have learned his science on the > knees of his Guru, instead of playing ball ;-) should be able to give > me a serious reading, with rectification as requested, within, let's > say, a two hour session (orally, of course)!? Then I caused a jyotishi > in Montreal to loose time and money by not showing... > > -- > Regards, > François > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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