Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Gaurav bhai, I read the article quoted by you and posted here or one of the jyotish fora that we frequent -- in which (article) Swami Vivekananda gives the *royal shaft* in his inimitable style to jyotish and jyotishis! In light of that and the message from you here that I am responding to, " Karm karo agay badho! " etc. -- why do we need astrology and why do you continue to pursue it (unless I presumed wrongly and you do not!)? Rohiniranjan vedic astrology , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Abhinav, > I learnt from a friend that she also has this " psychic power " . > Thank you, > . > > > vedic astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > Hello Gaurav, > > Thank you very much. Does his daughter has this psychic ability too? > > > > I am never dependent on such things, but I would like to clarify if > > Pinky Karve used any psychic powers or if it was any planetary > > calculation used to derive the date and time of birth. > > > > Abhi > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Abhinav, > > > Yes this is some kind of " Siddhi " which Yogi Karve got, by which he > > > can tell birthdate & birthtime by looking at a person only. There is > > > nothing to be surprised about it. However, there were times, when Yogi > > > Karve failed & gave incorrect data. > > > The more you focus on these stuff, the more you become dependent on > > > all these. > > > Karm karo....aagey bado... > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > One of my friend has contacted Pinky Karve (Daughter of Yogi Karve) > > > > for birth time correction. She talked to him over the phone and > asked > > > > him to look at his chart and answer the questions: > > > > 1) What's in the lagna(sign) > > > > 2) Planets in each and every house, like second house and so on... > > > > 3) Degree of the Sun > > > > > > > > After this she told him, Year/month/date of birth and asked him > if the > > > > time is in within the range of couple hours, he said yes and > mentioned > > > > the time on his chart to her. Then she corrected that time with few > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > After hearing this story from him, it was hard for me to believe > that > > > > she revealed this date/time of birth with any psychic powers. By > > > > knowing the degrees of Sun and slow moving planets in different > > > > houses(signs), isn't is possible to reveal such details? > > > > > > > > I request the opinion of our Guriji Sri Sri Sanjay Rath ji and > Sri PVR > > > > Narashima Rao ji. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Shree RRji, Well said. Its true that I am an ardent follower of Swamiji, but never got an opportunity to serve Shiva, in the form of " Jeeva " & little I got, I tried my best. However, I am trying hard to quit, but I dont know what makes me sit in front of the computers, browsing those charts, which I have in my database, answering members' questions, going through my astro-books collections qt often. Like frm June 2008, you would hardly find that any post has been written by me, but when I came back to Kolkata, I started writing for the forums, be it contains some experience sharing, be it doing some predictions or whatever. Personally I dont consult astrologers much, unless I am in a grave problem, but give others an opportunity to go through my chart[ I am in a grave problem nw!!! ], rather go through people's charts in forum only(in pvt mails, ask for fees when I see that person is able to or according to the situation etc). Swamiji had an unconventional take on issues like Astrology, Siddhi, ghosts etc. If you had read his biography, you must have gone through his experiences with a Pishach-Siddhi in Chennai, where he was told everything about his past & future(like birth, his Guru i.e. Shree Ramakrishna etc), which Swamiji called it to be mind-reading. I personally think Swamiji never wanted people to depend too much on these things, as we become dependent on these things, we lose our own identity & we are rather instructed by them, instead of following our intellect which Swamiji condemned. Let me quote another story from his biography. Swamiji was bathing in the ganges one fine morning in Belur Math(the H.Q. of Ramakrishna Mission), when a young chap came asked him, " Swamiji, do you think one get salvation after bathing in the ganges??? " ..Swamiji replied, " Obviously!!! " . Again a pandit came & asked Swamiji, " Swamiji, Do you agree with me that one who has died in Kashi will definitely get liberation from rebirth? " . Swamiji replied, " Unless you receive jnana(not that normal education--i hope you get, what it actually means), dying in Kashi will never result in " Moksha " . So coming back to the point, Swamiji never wanted us to lose our identity by depending on these things like astrology, tantra etc., which I consider to be message that Swamiji tried to convey through his lecture. After all, we are the sources of infinite energy(Kundalini Shakti???). let me know if my writing makes any sense. Thank you, . vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Gaurav bhai, > > I read the article quoted by you and posted here or one of the > jyotish fora that we frequent -- in which (article) Swami Vivekananda > gives the *royal shaft* in his inimitable style to jyotish and > jyotishis! > > In light of that and the message from you here that I am responding > to, " Karm karo agay badho! " etc. -- why do we need astrology and why > do you continue to pursue it (unless I presumed wrongly and you do > not!)? > > Rohiniranjan > > > vedic astrology , " " > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Abhinav, > > I learnt from a friend that she also has this " psychic power " . > > Thank you, > > . > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Gaurav, > > > Thank you very much. Does his daughter has this psychic ability > too? > > > > > > I am never dependent on such things, but I would like to clarify > if > > > Pinky Karve used any psychic powers or if it was any planetary > > > calculation used to derive the date and time of birth. > > > > > > Abhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Abhinav, > > > > Yes this is some kind of " Siddhi " which Yogi Karve got, by > which he > > > > can tell birthdate & birthtime by looking at a person only. > There is > > > > nothing to be surprised about it. However, there were times, > when Yogi > > > > Karve failed & gave incorrect data. > > > > The more you focus on these stuff, the more you become > dependent on > > > > all these. > > > > Karm karo....aagey bado... > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > One of my friend has contacted Pinky Karve (Daughter of Yogi > Karve) > > > > > for birth time correction. She talked to him over the phone > and > > asked > > > > > him to look at his chart and answer the questions: > > > > > 1) What's in the lagna(sign) > > > > > 2) Planets in each and every house, like second house and so > on... > > > > > 3) Degree of the Sun > > > > > > > > > > After this she told him, Year/month/date of birth and asked > him > > if the > > > > > time is in within the range of couple hours, he said yes and > > mentioned > > > > > the time on his chart to her. Then she corrected that time > with few > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > After hearing this story from him, it was hard for me to > believe > > that > > > > > she revealed this date/time of birth with any psychic powers. > By > > > > > knowing the degrees of Sun and slow moving planets in > different > > > > > houses(signs), isn't is possible to reveal such details? > > > > > > > > > > I request the opinion of our Guriji Sri Sri Sanjay Rath ji and > > Sri PVR > > > > > Narashima Rao ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Dear Gaurav bhai, Of course what you wrote makes sense! Scholars (from other religions!) often complain that Jesus spoke simplistically (and some other prophets too according to them!), but Jesus or Vivekananda were not speaking to the Scholars! They were trying to reach out to the masses. At a time when superstition was perhaps rampant and castism and other social evils were eating away at self-esteem in the community and nation, his role was like that of a surgeon and not a psychiatrist! He had to move in quickly, get the problem fixed because he had chosen to come to our rescue for a very short time! So, he was brusque, sometimes abrasive, but effective! For an astrologer it is good to move away from their own charts because otherwise they tend to test everything on their charts and depending on their personal clarity, tend to accept or reject it. And if one or two malefics choose to occupy the important postions in their chart, the perception can be clouded! RR vedic astrology , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Shree RRji, > Well said. Its true that I am an ardent follower of Swamiji, but never > got an opportunity to serve Shiva, in the form of " Jeeva " & little I > got, I tried my best. > However, I am trying hard to quit, but I dont know what makes me sit > in front of the computers, browsing those charts, which I have in my > database, answering members' questions, going through my astro-books > collections qt often. Like frm June 2008, you would hardly find that > any post has been written by me, but when I came back to Kolkata, I > started writing for the forums, be it contains some experience > sharing, be it doing some predictions or whatever. > Personally I dont consult astrologers much, unless I am in a grave > problem, but give others an opportunity to go through my chart[ I am > in a grave problem nw!!! ], rather go through people's charts in > forum only(in pvt mails, ask for fees when I see that person is able > to or according to the situation etc). > Swamiji had an unconventional take on issues like Astrology, Siddhi, > ghosts etc. If you had read his biography, you must have gone through > his experiences with a Pishach-Siddhi in Chennai, where he was told > everything about his past & future(like birth, his Guru i.e. Shree > Ramakrishna etc), which Swamiji called it to be mind-reading. I > personally think Swamiji never wanted people to depend too much on > these things, as we become dependent on these things, we lose our own > identity & we are rather instructed by them, instead of following our > intellect which Swamiji condemned. Let me quote another story from his > biography. Swamiji was bathing in the ganges one fine morning in Belur > Math(the H.Q. of Ramakrishna Mission), when a young chap came asked > him, " Swamiji, do you think one get salvation after bathing in the > ganges??? " ..Swamiji replied, " Obviously!!! " . > Again a pandit came & asked Swamiji, " Swamiji, Do you agree with me > that one who has died in Kashi will definitely get liberation from > rebirth? " . Swamiji replied, " Unless you receive jnana(not that normal > education--i hope you get, what it actually means), dying in Kashi > will never result in " Moksha " . > So coming back to the point, Swamiji never wanted us to lose our > identity by depending on these things like astrology, tantra etc., > which I consider to be message that Swamiji tried to convey through > his lecture. After all, we are the sources of infinite > energy(Kundalini Shakti???). > let me know if my writing makes any sense. > Thank you, > . > > > > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Gaurav bhai, > > > > I read the article quoted by you and posted here or one of the > > jyotish fora that we frequent -- in which (article) Swami Vivekananda > > gives the *royal shaft* in his inimitable style to jyotish and > > jyotishis! > > > > In light of that and the message from you here that I am responding > > to, " Karm karo agay badho! " etc. -- why do we need astrology and why > > do you continue to pursue it (unless I presumed wrongly and you do > > not!)? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Abhinav, > > > I learnt from a friend that she also has this " psychic power " . > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Gaurav, > > > > Thank you very much. Does his daughter has this psychic ability > > too? > > > > > > > > I am never dependent on such things, but I would like to clarify > > if > > > > Pinky Karve used any psychic powers or if it was any planetary > > > > calculation used to derive the date and time of birth. > > > > > > > > Abhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > Dear Abhinav, > > > > > Yes this is some kind of " Siddhi " which Yogi Karve got, by > > which he > > > > > can tell birthdate & birthtime by looking at a person only. > > There is > > > > > nothing to be surprised about it. However, there were times, > > when Yogi > > > > > Karve failed & gave incorrect data. > > > > > The more you focus on these stuff, the more you become > > dependent on > > > > > all these. > > > > > Karm karo....aagey bado... > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > > > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > One of my friend has contacted Pinky Karve (Daughter of Yogi > > Karve) > > > > > > for birth time correction. She talked to him over the phone > > and > > > asked > > > > > > him to look at his chart and answer the questions: > > > > > > 1) What's in the lagna(sign) > > > > > > 2) Planets in each and every house, like second house and so > > on... > > > > > > 3) Degree of the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > After this she told him, Year/month/date of birth and asked > > him > > > if the > > > > > > time is in within the range of couple hours, he said yes and > > > mentioned > > > > > > the time on his chart to her. Then she corrected that time > > with few > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > After hearing this story from him, it was hard for me to > > believe > > > that > > > > > > she revealed this date/time of birth with any psychic powers. > > By > > > > > > knowing the degrees of Sun and slow moving planets in > > different > > > > > > houses(signs), isn't is possible to reveal such details? > > > > > > > > > > > > I request the opinion of our Guriji Sri Sri Sanjay Rath ji and > > > Sri PVR > > > > > > Narashima Rao ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Gaurav bhai, > > Of course what you wrote makes sense! > > Scholars (from other religions!) often complain that Jesus spoke > simplistically (and some other prophets too according to them!), but > Jesus or Vivekananda were not speaking to the Scholars! They were > trying to reach out to the masses. At a time when superstition was > perhaps rampant and castism and other social evils were eating away > at self-esteem in the community and nation, his role was like that of > a surgeon and not a psychiatrist! He had to move in quickly, get the > problem fixed because he had chosen to come to our rescue for a very > short time! So, he was brusque, sometimes abrasive, but effective! > > For an astrologer it is good to move away from their own charts > because otherwise they tend to test everything on their charts and > depending on their personal clarity, tend to accept or reject it. And > if one or two malefics choose to occupy the important postions in > their chart, the perception can be clouded! > > RR > > > > vedic astrology , " " > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Shree RRji, > > Well said. Its true that I am an ardent follower of Swamiji, but > never > > got an opportunity to serve Shiva, in the form of " Jeeva " & little I > > got, I tried my best. > > However, I am trying hard to quit, but I dont know what makes me sit > > in front of the computers, browsing those charts, which I have in my > > database, answering members' questions, going through my astro- books > > collections qt often. Like frm June 2008, you would hardly find that > > any post has been written by me, but when I came back to Kolkata, I > > started writing for the forums, be it contains some experience > > sharing, be it doing some predictions or whatever. > > Personally I dont consult astrologers much, unless I am in a grave > > problem, but give others an opportunity to go through my chart[ I am > > in a grave problem nw!!! ], rather go through people's charts in > > forum only(in pvt mails, ask for fees when I see that person is able > > to or according to the situation etc). > > Swamiji had an unconventional take on issues like Astrology, Siddhi, > > ghosts etc. If you had read his biography, you must have gone > through > > his experiences with a Pishach-Siddhi in Chennai, where he was told > > everything about his past & future(like birth, his Guru i.e. Shree > > Ramakrishna etc), which Swamiji called it to be mind-reading. I > > personally think Swamiji never wanted people to depend too much on > > these things, as we become dependent on these things, we lose our > own > > identity & we are rather instructed by them, instead of following > our > > intellect which Swamiji condemned. Let me quote another story from > his > > biography. Swamiji was bathing in the ganges one fine morning in > Belur > > Math(the H.Q. of Ramakrishna Mission), when a young chap came asked > > him, " Swamiji, do you think one get salvation after bathing in the > > ganges??? " ..Swamiji replied, " Obviously!!! " . > > Again a pandit came & asked Swamiji, " Swamiji, Do you agree with me > > that one who has died in Kashi will definitely get liberation from > > rebirth? " . Swamiji replied, " Unless you receive jnana(not that > normal > > education--i hope you get, what it actually means), dying in Kashi > > will never result in " Moksha " . > > So coming back to the point, Swamiji never wanted us to lose our > > identity by depending on these things like astrology, tantra etc., > > which I consider to be message that Swamiji tried to convey through > > his lecture. After all, we are the sources of infinite > > energy(Kundalini Shakti???). > > let me know if my writing makes any sense. > > Thank you, > > . > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Gaurav bhai, > > > > > > I read the article quoted by you and posted here or one of the > > > jyotish fora that we frequent -- in which (article) Swami > Vivekananda > > > gives the *royal shaft* in his inimitable style to jyotish and > > > jyotishis! > > > > > > In light of that and the message from you here that I am > responding > > > to, " Karm karo agay badho! " etc. -- why do we need astrology and > why > > > do you continue to pursue it (unless I presumed wrongly and you > do > > > not!)? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Abhinav, > > > > I learnt from a friend that she also has this " psychic power " . > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gaurav, > > > > > Thank you very much. Does his daughter has this psychic > ability > > > too? > > > > > > > > > > I am never dependent on such things, but I would like to > clarify > > > if > > > > > Pinky Karve used any psychic powers or if it was any planetary > > > > > calculation used to derive the date and time of birth. > > > > > > > > > > Abhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > > Dear Abhinav, > > > > > > Yes this is some kind of " Siddhi " which Yogi Karve got, by > > > which he > > > > > > can tell birthdate & birthtime by looking at a person only. > > > There is > > > > > > nothing to be surprised about it. However, there were > times, > > > when Yogi > > > > > > Karve failed & gave incorrect data. > > > > > > The more you focus on these stuff, the more you become > > > dependent on > > > > > > all these. > > > > > > Karm karo....aagey bado... > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > > > > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > One of my friend has contacted Pinky Karve (Daughter of > Yogi > > > Karve) > > > > > > > for birth time correction. She talked to him over the > phone > > > and > > > > asked > > > > > > > him to look at his chart and answer the questions: > > > > > > > 1) What's in the lagna(sign) > > > > > > > 2) Planets in each and every house, like second house and > so > > > on... > > > > > > > 3) Degree of the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After this she told him, Year/month/date of birth and > asked > > > him > > > > if the > > > > > > > time is in within the range of couple hours, he said yes > and > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > the time on his chart to her. Then she corrected that > time > > > with few > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After hearing this story from him, it was hard for me to > > > believe > > > > that > > > > > > > she revealed this date/time of birth with any psychic > powers. > > > By > > > > > > > knowing the degrees of Sun and slow moving planets in > > > different > > > > > > > houses(signs), isn't is possible to reveal such details? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request the opinion of our Guriji Sri Sri Sanjay Rath > ji and > > > > Sri PVR > > > > > > > Narashima Rao ji. > > > > > > >hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear RRji, You are exactly correct. Superstition crept into the every pore of the society during that time, as Swamiji said, " People are yelling " Dont touch me, Dont touch me " & he was entrusted with a very special message by His Guru, which he had to do with, even if he declined once to do it. Even from his biography, we come to know he tried Shree Ramakrishna in various ways & never accepted him easily. Once Shree Ramakrishna was taking rest, & this incident happened just few days before he left his mortal body. Swamiji was doing padaseva to Shree Ramakrishna & was thinking that who is this illiterate eccentric Brahmin, from the village??Suddenly Shree Ramakrishna told Narendranath, " One who is Rama, he is Krishna & now he is Ramakrishna(pointing his fingers to his body), but not according to your Vedanta(we know what Vedanta says, needless to mention here) " . Yes, to me, my chart is pretty confusing, as few planetary positions perplexes me(like exchange between kona lords where they are debilitated!!!).Attimes I try some methods not only to my chart, but in my database, if I find it working in all the charts I preserve, I may go ahead with some modification, if reqd. If it works in none, just dump them in trash & wait for it to dump it in the garbage .. Thank you, . vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Gaurav bhai, > > Of course what you wrote makes sense! > > Scholars (from other religions!) often complain that Jesus spoke > simplistically (and some other prophets too according to them!), but > Jesus or Vivekananda were not speaking to the Scholars! They were > trying to reach out to the masses. At a time when superstition was > perhaps rampant and castism and other social evils were eating away > at self-esteem in the community and nation, his role was like that of > a surgeon and not a psychiatrist! He had to move in quickly, get the > problem fixed because he had chosen to come to our rescue for a very > short time! So, he was brusque, sometimes abrasive, but effective! > > For an astrologer it is good to move away from their own charts > because otherwise they tend to test everything on their charts and > depending on their personal clarity, tend to accept or reject it. And > if one or two malefics choose to occupy the important postions in > their chart, the perception can be clouded! > > RR > > > > vedic astrology , " " > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > Dear Shree RRji, > > Well said. Its true that I am an ardent follower of Swamiji, but > never > > got an opportunity to serve Shiva, in the form of " Jeeva " & little I > > got, I tried my best. > > However, I am trying hard to quit, but I dont know what makes me sit > > in front of the computers, browsing those charts, which I have in my > > database, answering members' questions, going through my astro-books > > collections qt often. Like frm June 2008, you would hardly find that > > any post has been written by me, but when I came back to Kolkata, I > > started writing for the forums, be it contains some experience > > sharing, be it doing some predictions or whatever. > > Personally I dont consult astrologers much, unless I am in a grave > > problem, but give others an opportunity to go through my chart[ I am > > in a grave problem nw!!! ], rather go through people's charts in > > forum only(in pvt mails, ask for fees when I see that person is able > > to or according to the situation etc). > > Swamiji had an unconventional take on issues like Astrology, Siddhi, > > ghosts etc. If you had read his biography, you must have gone > through > > his experiences with a Pishach-Siddhi in Chennai, where he was told > > everything about his past & future(like birth, his Guru i.e. Shree > > Ramakrishna etc), which Swamiji called it to be mind-reading. I > > personally think Swamiji never wanted people to depend too much on > > these things, as we become dependent on these things, we lose our > own > > identity & we are rather instructed by them, instead of following > our > > intellect which Swamiji condemned. Let me quote another story from > his > > biography. Swamiji was bathing in the ganges one fine morning in > Belur > > Math(the H.Q. of Ramakrishna Mission), when a young chap came asked > > him, " Swamiji, do you think one get salvation after bathing in the > > ganges??? " ..Swamiji replied, " Obviously!!! " . > > Again a pandit came & asked Swamiji, " Swamiji, Do you agree with me > > that one who has died in Kashi will definitely get liberation from > > rebirth? " . Swamiji replied, " Unless you receive jnana(not that > normal > > education--i hope you get, what it actually means), dying in Kashi > > will never result in " Moksha " . > > So coming back to the point, Swamiji never wanted us to lose our > > identity by depending on these things like astrology, tantra etc., > > which I consider to be message that Swamiji tried to convey through > > his lecture. After all, we are the sources of infinite > > energy(Kundalini Shakti???). > > let me know if my writing makes any sense. > > Thank you, > > . > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Gaurav bhai, > > > > > > I read the article quoted by you and posted here or one of the > > > jyotish fora that we frequent -- in which (article) Swami > Vivekananda > > > gives the *royal shaft* in his inimitable style to jyotish and > > > jyotishis! > > > > > > In light of that and the message from you here that I am > responding > > > to, " Karm karo agay badho! " etc. -- why do we need astrology and > why > > > do you continue to pursue it (unless I presumed wrongly and you > do > > > not!)? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > Dear Abhinav, > > > > I learnt from a friend that she also has this " psychic power " . > > > > Thank you, > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gaurav, > > > > > Thank you very much. Does his daughter has this psychic > ability > > > too? > > > > > > > > > > I am never dependent on such things, but I would like to > clarify > > > if > > > > > Pinky Karve used any psychic powers or if it was any planetary > > > > > calculation used to derive the date and time of birth. > > > > > > > > > > Abhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > > Dear Abhinav, > > > > > > Yes this is some kind of " Siddhi " which Yogi Karve got, by > > > which he > > > > > > can tell birthdate & birthtime by looking at a person only. > > > There is > > > > > > nothing to be surprised about it. However, there were > times, > > > when Yogi > > > > > > Karve failed & gave incorrect data. > > > > > > The more you focus on these stuff, the more you become > > > dependent on > > > > > > all these. > > > > > > Karm karo....aagey bado... > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > > > > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > One of my friend has contacted Pinky Karve (Daughter of > Yogi > > > Karve) > > > > > > > for birth time correction. She talked to him over the > phone > > > and > > > > asked > > > > > > > him to look at his chart and answer the questions: > > > > > > > 1) What's in the lagna(sign) > > > > > > > 2) Planets in each and every house, like second house and > so > > > on... > > > > > > > 3) Degree of the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After this she told him, Year/month/date of birth and > asked > > > him > > > > if the > > > > > > > time is in within the range of couple hours, he said yes > and > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > the time on his chart to her. Then she corrected that > time > > > with few > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After hearing this story from him, it was hard for me to > > > believe > > > > that > > > > > > > she revealed this date/time of birth with any psychic > powers. > > > By > > > > > > > knowing the degrees of Sun and slow moving planets in > > > different > > > > > > > houses(signs), isn't is possible to reveal such details? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request the opinion of our Guriji Sri Sri Sanjay Rath > ji and > > > > Sri PVR > > > > > > > Narashima Rao ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Gaurav-bhai, In your last few sentences you are corroborating the very same mistakes that famous astrologers and writers and teachers have made and confessed in their *transparent* moments, publicly! Don't feel too badly! As you said rightly, " Karma karo aagay badho! " RR vedic astrology , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear RRji, > You are exactly correct. Superstition crept into the every pore of the > society during that time, as Swamiji said, " People are yelling " Dont > touch me, Dont touch me " & he was entrusted with a very special > message by His Guru, which he had to do with, even if he declined once > to do it. Even from his biography, we come to know he tried Shree > Ramakrishna in various ways & never accepted him easily. Once Shree > Ramakrishna was taking rest, & this incident happened just few days > before he left his mortal body. Swamiji was doing padaseva to Shree > Ramakrishna & was thinking that who is this illiterate eccentric > Brahmin, from the village??Suddenly Shree Ramakrishna told > Narendranath, " One who is Rama, he is Krishna & now he is > Ramakrishna(pointing his fingers to his body), but not according to > your Vedanta(we know what Vedanta says, needless to mention here) " . > Yes, to me, my chart is pretty confusing, as few planetary positions > perplexes me(like exchange between kona lords where they are > debilitated!!!).Attimes I try some methods not only to my chart, but > in my database, if I find it working in all the charts I preserve, I > may go ahead with some modification, if reqd. If it works in none, > just dump them in trash & wait for it to dump it in the garbage .. > Thank you, > . > > > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gaurav bhai, > > > > Of course what you wrote makes sense! > > > > Scholars (from other religions!) often complain that Jesus spoke > > simplistically (and some other prophets too according to them!), but > > Jesus or Vivekananda were not speaking to the Scholars! They were > > trying to reach out to the masses. At a time when superstition was > > perhaps rampant and castism and other social evils were eating away > > at self-esteem in the community and nation, his role was like that of > > a surgeon and not a psychiatrist! He had to move in quickly, get the > > problem fixed because he had chosen to come to our rescue for a very > > short time! So, he was brusque, sometimes abrasive, but effective! > > > > For an astrologer it is good to move away from their own charts > > because otherwise they tend to test everything on their charts and > > depending on their personal clarity, tend to accept or reject it. And > > if one or two malefics choose to occupy the important postions in > > their chart, the perception can be clouded! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > Dear Shree RRji, > > > Well said. Its true that I am an ardent follower of Swamiji, but > > never > > > got an opportunity to serve Shiva, in the form of " Jeeva " & little I > > > got, I tried my best. > > > However, I am trying hard to quit, but I dont know what makes me sit > > > in front of the computers, browsing those charts, which I have in my > > > database, answering members' questions, going through my astro- books > > > collections qt often. Like frm June 2008, you would hardly find that > > > any post has been written by me, but when I came back to Kolkata, I > > > started writing for the forums, be it contains some experience > > > sharing, be it doing some predictions or whatever. > > > Personally I dont consult astrologers much, unless I am in a grave > > > problem, but give others an opportunity to go through my chart[ I am > > > in a grave problem nw!!! ], rather go through people's charts in > > > forum only(in pvt mails, ask for fees when I see that person is able > > > to or according to the situation etc). > > > Swamiji had an unconventional take on issues like Astrology, Siddhi, > > > ghosts etc. If you had read his biography, you must have gone > > through > > > his experiences with a Pishach-Siddhi in Chennai, where he was told > > > everything about his past & future(like birth, his Guru i.e. Shree > > > Ramakrishna etc), which Swamiji called it to be mind-reading. I > > > personally think Swamiji never wanted people to depend too much on > > > these things, as we become dependent on these things, we lose our > > own > > > identity & we are rather instructed by them, instead of following > > our > > > intellect which Swamiji condemned. Let me quote another story from > > his > > > biography. Swamiji was bathing in the ganges one fine morning in > > Belur > > > Math(the H.Q. of Ramakrishna Mission), when a young chap came asked > > > him, " Swamiji, do you think one get salvation after bathing in the > > > ganges??? " ..Swamiji replied, " Obviously!!! " . > > > Again a pandit came & asked Swamiji, " Swamiji, Do you agree with me > > > that one who has died in Kashi will definitely get liberation from > > > rebirth? " . Swamiji replied, " Unless you receive jnana(not that > > normal > > > education--i hope you get, what it actually means), dying in Kashi > > > will never result in " Moksha " . > > > So coming back to the point, Swamiji never wanted us to lose our > > > identity by depending on these things like astrology, tantra etc., > > > which I consider to be message that Swamiji tried to convey through > > > his lecture. After all, we are the sources of infinite > > > energy(Kundalini Shakti???). > > > let me know if my writing makes any sense. > > > Thank you, > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " > > > <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Gaurav bhai, > > > > > > > > I read the article quoted by you and posted here or one of the > > > > jyotish fora that we frequent -- in which (article) Swami > > Vivekananda > > > > gives the *royal shaft* in his inimitable style to jyotish and > > > > jyotishis! > > > > > > > > In light of that and the message from you here that I am > > responding > > > > to, " Karm karo agay badho! " etc. -- why do we need astrology and > > why > > > > do you continue to pursue it (unless I presumed wrongly and you > > do > > > > not!)? > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > Dear Abhinav, > > > > > I learnt from a friend that she also has this " psychic power " . > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > > > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gaurav, > > > > > > Thank you very much. Does his daughter has this psychic > > ability > > > > too? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am never dependent on such things, but I would like to > > clarify > > > > if > > > > > > Pinky Karve used any psychic powers or if it was any planetary > > > > > > calculation used to derive the date and time of birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " " > > > > > > <gaurav.ghosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > > > > > > > Dear Abhinav, > > > > > > > Yes this is some kind of " Siddhi " which Yogi Karve got, by > > > > which he > > > > > > > can tell birthdate & birthtime by looking at a person only. > > > > There is > > > > > > > nothing to be surprised about it. However, there were > > times, > > > > when Yogi > > > > > > > Karve failed & gave incorrect data. > > > > > > > The more you focus on these stuff, the more you become > > > > dependent on > > > > > > > all these. > > > > > > > Karm karo....aagey bado... > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology , " abhinav.mathur73 " > > > > > > > <abhinav.mathur73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > > One of my friend has contacted Pinky Karve (Daughter of > > Yogi > > > > Karve) > > > > > > > > for birth time correction. She talked to him over the > > phone > > > > and > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > him to look at his chart and answer the questions: > > > > > > > > 1) What's in the lagna(sign) > > > > > > > > 2) Planets in each and every house, like second house and > > so > > > > on... > > > > > > > > 3) Degree of the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After this she told him, Year/month/date of birth and > > asked > > > > him > > > > > if the > > > > > > > > time is in within the range of couple hours, he said yes > > and > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > > the time on his chart to her. Then she corrected that > > time > > > > with few > > > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After hearing this story from him, it was hard for me to > > > > believe > > > > > that > > > > > > > > she revealed this date/time of birth with any psychic > > powers. > > > > By > > > > > > > > knowing the degrees of Sun and slow moving planets in > > > > different > > > > > > > > houses(signs), isn't is possible to reveal such details? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I request the opinion of our Guriji Sri Sri Sanjay Rath > > ji and > > > > > Sri PVR > > > > > > > > Narashima Rao ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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