Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 And that is why we have in ancient scriptures the references to not just using what we deem to be astrology, but also other modalities, such as NIMITTA and others... And spiritual purity was specifically recommended for the prognosticator. Even though it was pointed out by Varahamihira in the context of JYOTISH, it was DIVINATION he was talking about (literally, because his teachings I presume were delivered by ORAL TRADITION?) vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > The 'model' that you are using would make sense to most who live in > the worldly realm of computer science, medical science, engineering > science and business science or even political science, but astrology > is different: > > There is no regulatory body (though many claim to be!) that > standardizes what an astrologer must know or how they must be > certified! Heck there is not even a standard school or board like > physicians or engineers have or even electricians and other > technicians for that matter. > > There is no way of examining, questioning as to how much of the > uncanny predictions arise from a strict use and following of > technical astrology and how much of it involves other less scientific > but effective psychic processes and yogic sadhanas! One of the > generally regarded as successful (not 100% mind you...!) astrologer > in a message and sharing on an earlier jyotish list shared that he > took a chart to bed and did japams as he considered the chart > visually and in his head and ultimately the answer popped. Even if it > were then definable and describable by astrological rules, it was not > a logical or astrological deduction but just a post-hoc confirmation > that astrological rules work retrospectively. But when an astrologer > is faced with multiple possibilities, often what gets tuned-into and > picked on is para-astrological. > > To my way of observing, DiVINATION is perfect and completely fool > proof, but it is way beyond just astrology or other technical > approaches adopted. > > Astrology is great and most appealing to the rational thought but let > us not lose its link with divination which is what the nativity wants > to receive. > > That may be the reason why astrologer, even famous ones fail and are > not 100% correct as no astrologer ever claims or has demonstrated to > my recollection over the last several years that I have been > following astrology from different distances and perspectives and > hopefully will continue to... > > A wise friend, as I have written earlier on the web and elsewhere > stated very succinctly and down to earth: Divination is a bird which > has two wings: Technique and intuition. Take away one of the wings > and the bird will just flop haplessly around and around but never get > off the *ground*. > > vedic astrology , serenity forever > <serenity_forever4@> wrote: > > > > As simple as " Computer Science is a Science, but there are students > who get an A grade, B grade, C, D or F " . > > > > And especially, astrology is such a complicated science, to master > it and actually get an A or A+ grade in it, might make that person > renounce the physical earthly desires. That's what I have meant below. > > > > And when people say, they cant trust the astrologer, it's cuz it's > mostly astrologers with B or B+, C or C+ or even D grades. (based on > how many of his/her predictions come true - again this is directly > proportional to how well he/she have mastered the science and applied > it practically). > > > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology/Science?? > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 4:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fail to see how the performance of astrology can be separated > from > > the performance of the astrologer? > > > > We are talking about " science and scientific " here but then we say > in > > the same breath people are saying that they have 'faith' in > > astrology. Based on what evidence? :-) > > > > I hope it makes sense...! > > > > RR > > > > vedic astrology, serenity forever > > <serenity_forever4@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > I totally agree. I believe in " Never blame astrology but the > > astrologer " . But at the same time, astrology is such an ocean, that > > too a complex ocean, person who really gets to the depths of it, I > > wonder, will he/she remain a normal human? I feel after going to > that > > depth, they reform like saints with no attachments to any of the > > earthly desires. I rarely heard about such people, rather yogis, > who > > are not known to anyone, yet predict stuff to people randomly, with > > no expectations. > > > > > > As such, in my personal experience, I have had some questions and > > have been to 3 topnotch astrologers, all of them predicted almost > the > > same, but surprisingly, none of it is happening, rather the total > > reverse is happening or gonna happen (as per the current trends). > Yet > > I dont blame them or thier calculations, whatever they said might > > have been true, but I believe there is something fundamentally > wrong > > in the calculations or the system being used somewhere, maybe > that's > > why even some of the world-famous astrologers also fail to predict > > 100% perfect. > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology/Science? ? > > > vedic astrology > > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR Ji > > > > > > In my experience as an astrologer, I also keep doing research on > > each & every individual who approach me. I try my best to analyse > > their speech, behaviour patterns & then see the respective bhavs & > > the planets which makes the individual behave accordingly. > > > > > > All planets in our charts marks our approach to the world the way > > we see it. Astrological science does not fails but it is the > > astrologer who fails in reading & predicting ones horoscope. It is > > the astrologer who is responsible & to be blamed & not astrology. > > > > > > The placement 0f moon & its strenght in the chart rules our mind. > > This is where the astrologer normally fails in analysis. Astrologer > > or any individual with a afflicted moon will always be speculative > & > > will always give a personal opinion rather trying to give a picture > > on how it should be. > > > > > > But u hv rightly mentioned astrology is a science & will always > > remain a science. > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > vedic astrology > > > Wednesday, 11 February, 2009 7:38:15 AM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology/Science? ? > > > > > > Dear Mr.. Nathani, > > > > > > While I respect your passionate stand in this matter, by > > *summarily* > > > dismissing what Narlikar or the previous scientists (Sagan for > > > instance) or the next scientist states about astrology based on > > their > > > casual brush with a discipline that has kept some fairly cerebral > > > people raptly absorbed for many many years and perhaps lifetimes - > - > > > we would be simply falling in the same rank and style as him or > > > other 'rationalists' . > > > > > > I think instead of presenting a slogan (e.g., Astrology is not > > > science and bunk!) with a counter-slogan ( " Astrology is a science > > and > > > has always been ... " ), both sides would have to forward > > illustrations > > > and arguments to justify their positions. And that takes a lot of > > > time and dedication so then becomes a personal choice for each > > > proponent and opponent! > > > > > > In that vein, I would applaud the contribution of Seymore and of > > > Eysenck and Nias. I am certain all who believe that astrology is > > > science have read these short offerings even if these may not be > > > directly based in jyotish. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > vedic astrology, " Haresh \(Harry\) > > Nathani " > > > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > >  Dear Mr. RR Ji > > > > > > > > We should dismiss him summarily. The fact will always remain > that > > > Jyotish Shashtra is science & not fiction or art. If Jyotish > > > Shahshtra has got such a huge milage & acceptablity since 3 > yugas, > > it > > > is because it is science. > > > > > > > > Rishi Parasher took almost seven births in this universe > > > to understand & experience the practical acceptablity > of Jyotish > > > Shahshtra, but we are the most unfortunate, some Jyotish authors > > have > > > not understood the message of Rishi Parasher & speculatively have > > > given their own personal opinions without trying to understand > the > > > effect of it on the neophytes. > > > >  > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Monday, 9 February, 2009 12:23:33 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology/Science? ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Haresh (Harry) Nathani, > > > > > > > > Since you addressed your posting to <all> ... > > > > > > > > I think Dr.. Narlikar has had a pretty productive life, > > > scientifically > > > > and otherwise so let us not presume that he has anything > personal > > > > against astrology! > > > > > > > > Perhaps, unless I am frightfully wrong, he does not even know > or > > > care > > > > to know about this forum or the two or three other jyotish fora > > > that > > > > we all frequent. > > > > > > > > While your personal passion for astrology as expressed is > > > understood > > > > and reciprocated amicably -- there have been jyotishi- > astrophyic > > > ists > > > > like Mr. Jha who have been questioning the MATH and astro- > > > coordinates > > > > that the great body of astrologers have been utilizing for > > decades > > > > and perhaps centuries! > > > > > > > > What is your opinion? Should we listen to what Mr. Vinay Jha > has > > to > > > > say or do we dismiss him summarily? > > > > > > > > The 'YOU' is metaphorical, of course, since I know that 'Harry' > > > does > > > > not really control what the Goddess JR Rowlings writes, nor > what > > > > MOGULS ultimately decide to do with their lives! > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " Haresh \(Harry\) > > > Nathani " > > > > <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Devendra and all, > > > > > > > > > > It seems that the scientist must have had some unpleasent > > > > experience with astrolgers or his 9th house may be having those > > > > planets which makes the native see astrology as supertitious. > > > > > > > > > > We of course are influnced by the planets in the orbit. Our > > > > actions, our tastes, our mind, our relationships, our > > intelligence > > > > and many more are influenced by the planets. If that is not the > > > case > > > > then why would there be any kind of disparity between all > > > > individuals, why our thoughts are different, why do we think > > > > differently & not similarly like all. > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is merely not limited to predicting various events > in > > > our > > > > lives, it is also a guide which shows us how our past, > present > > > > &  future will look like and how best can we adapt ourselves > to > > > those > > > > kind of situations, circumstances & events which have > influenced > > us > > > > also the events which will be going to influence us in our > > > > respective lives. > > > > > > > > > > The fact that u have posted this query, I am certain u r > not > > a > > > > astrloger. > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU > > > > > WITH WARM REGARDS > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI > > > > > VEDIC ASTOLOGER > > > > > VAASTU CONSULTANT > > > > > CELL +919867214103 > > > > > (MUMBAI,INDIA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please look into the article by an eminent scientist. > > > > > > > > > > November 4, 2006 > > > > > Press Trust Of India > > > > > Rourkela, February 09, 2009 > > > > > First Published: 12:51 IST(9/2/2009) > > > > > Last Updated: 12:54 IST(9/2/2009) > > > > > Future lies in hands and not planets: Narlikar > > > > > " Our future lies in our hands and not on the position of > > > planets, " > > > > > said eminent scientist and internationally acclaimed astro- > > > > physicist > > > > > Prof J V Narlikar. > > > > > He said there was a wrong concept that planets influenced the > > > > > future. " The planets are powerless. Stand on your own feet, > > know > > > > your > > > > > problem and try to solve it yourself. " > > > > > The astronomer pointed out there were even differences among > > > > > astrologers with western astrology differing from Indian > > > astrology. > > > > > " Astrology is not science, but superstition, he said. > > > > > Astrologers knew that people came to them when they faced > > > problems > > > > > and kept them hanging so that they made repeated visits. > > > > > Narlikar was speaking at a seminar 'Astrology-a pseudo- > sience' > > > here > > > > > last night organised by the Orissa Rationalists Association. > > > > > http://www.hindusta ntimes.com/ StoryPage/ Print.aspx? > > > Id=eab5b5ad- > > > > 2c22- > > > > > 416f-bf1a-92a56bfd1 904 > > > > > © Copyright 2007 Hindustan Times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Davendra <davendrak@ ..> > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > Monday, 9 February, 2009 7:24:10 AM > > > > > [vedic astrology] Astrology/Science? ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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