[Ind. & West. Astrology] The real Vedic calendar vis-a-vis predictive astrology!

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--- On Sat, 28/3/09, Prashant Pandey <praspandey wrote:

 

 

Prashant Pandey <praspandey

[ind. & West. Astrology] Re: The real Vedic calendar vis-a-vis

predictive astrology!

Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest

Saturday, 28 March, 2009, 10:35 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Kaulji,

 

>>>>>>>>>>

Even I was awarded NOSTRADUMS AWARD, sponsored by Express Star Teller, by the

Swamigal of Kanchi Kamakoti, for my correct predictions on mundane astrology

through so called Sayana Rashichakra Secondary Progressions/ transits etc., in

1995.

>>>>>>>>>>

 

Good to hear this.

 

I will write in detail when i will get some free time.

 

BTW i have rare and prominent yoga of becoming successful astrologer,, you would

be knowing already after seeing my chart.

 

I have gone through all of your documents which you suggested and it is really

an irony that i got answers of all of my toughest questions from your documents

which use to move in my mind.

 

BTW i have no Chandal Yoga (ha ha ha ha),, instead I have prominent yoga with

having strong Ju to become successful astrologer (I also have not strong Sarpa

Yoga with having Mo also in quadrant (means very strong Sarpa yoga to get

fructified always between public),,,he he he he,,, leave this you will not

understand,, if time will come I will open it on all groups,, I know it will

come and I am dying to open it).

 

Regs,

Prashant Pandey

 

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, " jyotirved "

<jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Prashantji Pandeyji,

>

> Namaskar!

>

> I am really glad to read your comments, " Excellent mail with Vedic Facts!!

> This tells that what nakshatra we should use to erect Vedic Calendar instead

> which we are considering now-a-days (Jyotishi fraternities nks concept).

>

> Good mail to streamline Vedic Calendar " .

>

> What is all the more pleasing is that you have arrived at such a conclusion

> after following the discussions and going through most of the documents in

> the files section etc. and not with your eyes shut!

>

> My experience has been till date that quite a few people are either averse

> to or deliberately misinterpret the scriptural injunctions or show a

> passivity to sift grain from the chaff, which is quite surprising. Several

> scholars, who have understood the travesty, are silent perhaps because they

> do not want to annoy the " Vedic astrologer " fraternity!

>

> As you are yourself an astrologer -- probably an amateur, and also the

> Owner/Moderator of an astrology forum, having studied both Indian and

> Western systems, and in spite of the same, your words, " Astrology has

> nothing to do with streamlining Vedic Calendar. Dharma comes before

> astrology,.. it has nothing to do with Hindu Dharma " shows a refreshing

> contradistinction to the usual mental setup of astrologers, for whom

> " predictive astrology is above all and everything else, including the

> streamlining of the Vedic calendar, is subservient to the same " .

>

> I do not blame them either actually, since I was sailing in the same boat

> myself a couple of decades back and whatever was written in Brihat Parashari

> or Brihat Jatakam etc. astrology books or whatever guidelines were given by

> late Dr. B. V. Raman etc. were brahma-vakya for me.

>

> It is only with His grace that I realized the disturbing truth that

> astrology was anything but Vedic and it was only because of the innumerable

> rashichakras, thanks to Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, that we have

> invented hundreds of rashichakras, including the so called sayana one, the

> Lahiri one etc., that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on

> wrong days.

>

> I approached all the leading astrologers like late Dr. B. V. Raman, late R.

> Santhanam, Shri K. N. Rao, Shri Sanjay Rath, Smti Gayatri Devi Vasudev,

> Prof. P. S. Sastri etc. etc. to name a few of them, personally keeping all

> the facts before them as to how we were celebrating all the festivals on

> wrong days.

>

> I used to go to Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan in Connaught Place, New Delhi, and

> presented complimentary copies of my panchangas to all the teachers/faculty

> members there, with a request that they go through the contents of the same

> and let me have their views about the fact that we were celebrating all the

> festivals on wrong days. Most of the contents of those panchangas are

> condensed in 1999b.doc. I regret to say that all of them just kept quiet on

> such a " controversial issue " .

>

> Same was the case with Jagadgurus and other Acharyas etc.

>

> Till then I was under the impression that we were celebrating all the

> festivals on wrong days only because the facts had not been brought to the

> notice of these stalwarts or the Jagatgurus etc., but I realized, very late

> in the day, that all those stalwarts etc. were only interested in making

> " correct predictions " , at the cost of the real Vedic calendar. Even I was

> awarded NOSTRADUMS AWARD, sponsored by Express Star Teller, by the Swamigal

> of Kanchi Kamakoti, for my correct predictions on mundane astrology through

> so called Sayana Rashichakra Secondary Progressions/ transits etc., in 1995.

> As I had stared learning Sayana astrology in around 1984 or so for quite

> some time after that award, I was under the impression that my predictions

> were successful only because Sayana Rashichakra was the Vedic Rashichakra

> and Secondary Progressions were the Vedic way of delineation! What a

> misconception that too was!

>

> Ironically, all those stalwarts etc. continued to call the predictive

> techniques " Vedic astrology " !

>

> To cut a long story short, there is a very miniscule number of people who

> have understood thoroughly the gamut of the Vedic calendar, and as to how

> " Vedic astrology " is the main hurdle in the same. WE must, as such, try to

> enlarge that miniscule number.

>

> I also suggest that we form a new " Calendar Reform Committee " and get the

> same registered with the GOI, so that we can make a formal representation to

> the powers that be and try to streamline the Hindu calendar IN THE SAME

> MANNER AS IS BEING DONE IN NEPAL.

>

> I am copying this mail to several other forums also, to elicit the views of

> their members about joining our heads together, for streamlining the

> Vedic/Hindu calendar.

>

> With regards,

>

> A K Kaul

>

>

>

>

>

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, " Prashant

> Pandey " <praspandey@ > wrote:

>

> Excellent mail with Vedic Facts!!

>

>

>

> This tells that what nakshatra we should use to erect Vedic Calendar instead

> which we are considering now-a-days(Jyotishi s fraternities nks concept).

>

>

>

> Good mail to streamline Vedic Calendar.

>

>

>

> We can make many types of permutation and combination just to make calendar

> on the basis of Moon's, Sun's or both's movements.Any logician can advise

> various types of calendar just to track down the events.

>

>

>

> Thing is what the calendar we were using and on which our religion is

> standing,, we should follow that.In the same way our Muslim Bretherns use

> Lunar Calendar so they enjoy their festivals according to that,,if they dont

> use their Vedic Calendar then they should not be counted as Muslims.

>

>

>

> Astrology has nothing to do with streamlining Vedic Calendar.Dharma comes

> before the astrology,,BTW astrology is science,, it has nothing to do with

> Hindu Dharma.

>

> Good mail indeed !!

>

> Regs,

>

> Prashant Pandey

>

>

>

> hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@>

> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Moderator,

>

> Namaskar!

>

> <Shri Kaul goes on repeating the same long stuff like a parrot without any

> new ideas being thrown in.>

>

> I am in full agreement with you myself that there are no new ideas since the

> real Vedic calendar has nothing new to offer!

>

> <Since most of us here in this group to my understanding

>

> is not that keen to debate on astrology/new calendar etc >

>

> The real Vedic calendar is extremely simple, and can be summarized in a few

> lines:

>

> 1. The Vedic solar year started from Uttarayana, now it starts (actually

> should start) from Vernal Equinox (Vasanta Sampat).

>

> 2. Vedic Lunar New year started from the first lunar month of Shishira Ritu,

> i.e. Magha with the first New Moon after Uttarayana. Now a days it starts

> (actually should start!) with the first New Moon after the start of Vasanta

> Ritu, that was on February 26, 2009.

>

> 3. The names of Vedic months are Madhu/Chaitra, Madhava/Vaishakha,

> Shukra/Jyeshtha, Shuchih/Ashadha, Nabhas/Shravana, Nabhasya/Bhadra,

> Isha/Ashvayuja, Urja/Kartika, Sahas/Agrahayana (Margasheersha) ,

> Sahasya/Pausha, Tapah/Magha, Tapasya/Phalguna.

>

> These names get interchanged with solar as well as lunar months in our

> shastras.

>

> 4. Lunar Adhika-masa must be decided vis-a-vis solar Madhu, Madhava etc.

>

> 5. In ancient times Nakshatra division started from Krittika as the Vernal

> Equinox was in that nakshatra division then. Thus these days it must start

> from Purva-Bhadra because the VE is in almost exact conjunction with Beta

> Pegassi star these days.

>

> 6. Nakshatras have an independent existence i.e. they are not clubbed with

> any month. Thus when the moon is hovering around Ashvini Star, in any month,

> it is Ashvini nakshatra on that day and so on.

>

> This was the system followed till about first centuries of CE, i.e. till the

> advent of the Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha, when Mesha, Vrisha etc.

> rashis came into vogue.

>

> 7. Those rashis were lapped by jyotishis for predictive purposes and they

> started having their finger in the calendar making pie as well.

>

> 8. That was the start of the downfall of the Vedic calendar. However,

> stalwarts and scholars like Acharya Sayana continued to ignore Mesha, Vrisha

> etc. rashis for calendric months till about fifteenth century AD.

>

> This will be evident from npj3.doc in the files section. Kindly do take

> some time out and go through it to see for yourself the mayhem that the

> Vedic calendar is being subjected to.

>

> The problem, therefore, is that since " Vedic astrologers " cannot do without

> Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis and that also the so called nirayana ones for

> predictive purposes, they, however, do not want the calendar reform to let

> go out of their hands, since nobody will believe their hotch-potch then if

> the " Makar Sankrantis " of " Vedic astrologers " are not recognized for

> religious festivals and so on.

>

> What is most ironical is that the zodiac which is supposed to comprise

> these Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis of 12 equal (twelve) division, is

> non-existent in the Vedas, the Vedanga Jyotisha and even astronomically!

> Scientifically, Zodiac itself is an imaginary belt, which means that the

> twelve equal divisions named Mesha, Vrisha etc. of that imaginary belt are

> all the more imaginary!

>

> And it is those very imaginary Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis that are being

> thrust on the Vedic months Madhu, Madhava etc. In fact, the real dimensions

> of time in the shape of Madhu, Madhava etc. real seasonal months and the

> four cardinal points are being replaced by these plethora of Rashis. On top

> of it, there is a cacaphony going on about the Sayana versus nirayana! If

> the rashis themselves are non-existent, it is all the more pathetic to call

> them sidereal or tropical or sayana or nirayana etc. etc.

>

> As such, all I am requesting these " Vedic astrologers " is that let them

> continue to make " absolutely correct predictions from Varaha Hora or Shambu

> Hora or any other Hora on the basis of any sayana or nirayana rashis and so

> on, but for God's sake, leave the calendar alone, and do not thrust your

> non-existent Mesha etc. rashis on the same " .

>

> That is the only request to all the Hindus, 90 per cent of whom are " Vedic

> astrologers " .

>

> <it is better left to experts to have a detailed arguments amongst

> themselves>

>

> We have been leaving this issue " to experts " till date and that is why we

> are celeberating Navratras from today i.e. March 27 instead of Feburayr 26.

> IMHO We should not repeat the same mistake now but decide the issue

> ourselves.

>

> With regards,

>

> A K Kaul

>

> hinducivilization, " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

>

> I certainly agree with you Shankarji. Shri Kaul goes on repeating the same

>

> long stuff like a parrot without any new ideas being thrown in. Although it

>

>

> is not going to make any difference,I hardly read them but mostly delete

>

> these upon its arrival in my PC. However we did not see anyone trying to

>

> rebut him in a convincing way. Hence it was a stalemate. Sunil was unable

> to

>

> rebut his arguments in a succinct and coherent way and hence took to

>

> personal insults which you will agree is not the right thing to do.All

>

> members have freedom of expressions here especially since this is an

>

> un-moderated list. Since most of us here in this group to my understanding

>

>

> is not that keen to debate on astrology/new calendar etc it is better left

>

> to experts to have a detailed arguments amongst themselves. Hence my

>

> suggestion to Sunil to take this issue else where. This applies to Kaul too.

>

>

> He is not welcome to go on with his repeated posts like a stuck gramophone

>

> plate (which of course only the older generation understands !).

>

> Moderator

>

> -

>

> " shankarabharadwaj " <shankarabharadwaj@ >

>

> <hinducivilization>

>

> Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:31 AM

>

> [hc] Re: Fw: [WAVES-Vedic] UNSUBSCRIBE

>

> I think it will be fair only when both Sri AKK and his opponents are asked

>

>

> to do that. The former is no fair, only his language and presentation are

>

> better. While people mostly respond to him, he is the one who usually (even

>

> deliberately) provokes any such " fight " with his never ending sequence of

>

> postings on the same things over and over again (with no improvement or

>

> correction).

>

>

>

> There are about 600 postings by him on this subject, and the what all he

>

> said (let us forget for now its right/wrong/ validity) without repetition

>

> can be reduced to much less than 50 posts. And it has become clear to

>

> almost everyone who tried to discuss with him, that it is not possible to

>

> get to any logical conclusions.

>

> His bhramara keetaka tactic will only make more members lose their temper..

>

> Decency cannot be about language alone.

>

> hinducivilization, " Ravi " <ravi7640@> wrote:

>

> I would suggest you take up your fight with Shri Kaul else where since we

>

> are quite bored with your in coherent outpourings.

>

> Moderator

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > Dharmo rakshati rakshitah