Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Sometime I just wonder about this issue..does anybody has any reasonable explanation for this?? How come sometimes the predictions of " considerably " good astrolgers (whose predictions are similar) fail to happen?? Is it that their capabilities arent as expected (which doesnt make sense, since all of them happen to be " good " and moreover thier predictions are similar) or does it have something to do with the system?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 my 2 cents of worth, there's nothing like an absolute truth,sort of a relative truth.... if you will show the same pathological reports to differnet docs and even the most renowned ones the diagnosis can be different ..give a balance sheet to good research analysts and all of them with come with very different views...so its all in the analytical capacity of a person and even some one good erstwhile in his spectrum may fail to judge & analyse some time...also astrology is like a numerical series which on the onset might seem haphazard but when you think deep on it you will find some sort of a connection,so its upon the astrologer whether he is able decipher a chart which is like a cryptic message. --- On Wed, 1/4/09, serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4 wrote: serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4 [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. vedic astrology Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 10:44 PM Sometime I just wonder about this issue..does anybody has any reasonable explanation for this?? How come sometimes the predictions of " considerably " good astrolgers (whose predictions are similar) fail to happen?? Is it that their capabilities arent as expected (which doesnt make sense, since all of them happen to be " good " and moreover thier predictions are similar) or does it have something to do with the system?? Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Calendar || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 157 New Members Visit Your Group Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 True. But I meant something different. I had been to a few " good " astrologers ( " good " as per my notion) and all of them predicted similarly. So I thought atleast there should be an ounce of chance in those predictions coming true. But surprisingle, none of it is coming true and wont come true as per the current trends. Not that I am sad or anything but just ponder sometimes over this, as to why all of them had failed !!! (in my case). ' --- On Wed, 4/1/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. vedic astrology Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 11:15 AM my 2 cents of worth, there's nothing like an absolute truth,sort of a relative truth.... if you will show the same pathological reports to differnet docs and even the most renowned ones the diagnosis can be different ..give a balance sheet to good research analysts and all of them with come with very different views...so its all in the analytical capacity of a person and even some one good erstwhile in his spectrum may fail to judge & analyse some time...also astrology is like a numerical series which on the onset might seem haphazard but when you think deep on it you will find some sort of a connection,so its upon the astrologer whether he is able decipher a chart which is like a cryptic message. --- On Wed, 1/4/09, serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > wrote: serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. vedic astrology Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 10:44 PM Sometime I just wonder about this issue..does anybody has any reasonable explanation for this?? How come sometimes the predictions of " considerably " good astrolgers (whose predictions are similar) fail to happen?? Is it that their capabilities arent as expected (which doesnt make sense, since all of them happen to be " good " and moreover thier predictions are similar) or does it have something to do with the system?? Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 So personally after analyzing my own life, I feel the predictions like " you become rich in that particular blah blah period, or your life will take an unexpected reverse turn in that particular year blah blah " all these are trash. An individual would know based on his nature, present situation etc. as to how his/her life will be. If for a lazy person, it's predicted he/she would become super trillionaire by hard-work, it's trash. There would some truth if it's predicted he/she would become little bit hardworking in the future and might some money, but not the extreme scenario. So guess there is no one who can predict well afterall! Either the system is wrong or the astrologer. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, serenity forever <serenity_forever4 wrote: serenity forever <serenity_forever4 Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. vedic astrology Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 1:12 PM True. But I meant something different. I had been to a few " good " astrologers ( " good " as per my notion) and all of them predicted similarly. So I thought atleast there should be an ounce of chance in those predictions coming true. But surprisingle, none of it is coming true and wont come true as per the current trends. Not that I am sad or anything but just ponder sometimes over this, as to why all of them had failed !!! (in my case). ' --- On Wed, 4/1/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. vedic astrology Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 11:15 AM my 2 cents of worth, there's nothing like an absolute truth,sort of a relative truth.... if you will show the same pathological reports to differnet docs and even the most renowned ones the diagnosis can be different ..give a balance sheet to good research analysts and all of them with come with very different views...so its all in the analytical capacity of a person and even some one good erstwhile in his spectrum may fail to judge & analyse some time...also astrology is like a numerical series which on the onset might seem haphazard but when you think deep on it you will find some sort of a connection,so its upon the astrologer whether he is able decipher a chart which is like a cryptic message. --- On Wed, 1/4/09, serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > wrote: serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. vedic astrology Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 10:44 PM Sometime I just wonder about this issue..does anybody has any reasonable explanation for this?? How come sometimes the predictions of " considerably " good astrolgers (whose predictions are similar) fail to happen?? Is it that their capabilities arent as expected (which doesnt make sense, since all of them happen to be " good " and moreover thier predictions are similar) or does it have something to do with the system?? Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Thakkar ji, As you know perhaps, there must be COSMIC reasons for so many Divinatory techniques, astrology being just one (and even that comes in so many flavours like ice-cream: Jyotish, Tropical, Burmese, Chaldean, Iranian, Arabic, Tajik, Tahitiian, so many more and each with a slight variant spectrum of flavour amongst their 'spread'!) and then we have others: palmistry, kauri, magical shamanistic divinations, face-reading, iching, psychic and aura readings and the list continues even if we do not bring in the channels with their trans-reality revelations and so on ... There is a lot to explore! The weary sampler will eventually arrive at the exit gates of the carnival, having spent all coupons acquired or purchased and at that point sated beyond expectations from experiencing all these flavours feel the one sensation that many do at such a point in time: Thirst for a cool glass of water! Another quest begins then: Divinators get replaced by spiritual guides... It is all about growth, all pensionable time in terms of the SOUL's OCCUPATION!! vedic astrology , deepen thakkar <justcoolout wrote: > > > > my 2 cents of worth, > there's nothing like an absolute truth,sort of a relative truth.... > if you will show the same pathological reports to differnet docs and even the most renowned ones the diagnosis can be different ..give a balance sheet to good research analysts and all of them with come with very different views...so its all in the analytical capacity of a person and even some one good erstwhile in his spectrum may fail to judge & analyse some time...also astrology is like a numerical series which on the onset might seem haphazard but when you think deep on it you will find some sort of a connection,so its upon the astrologer whether he is able decipher a chart which is like a cryptic message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 dear friend your concluding observation is incorrect and to put it aptly, you may conclude that astrology alone is not sufficient to predict any and everything. according to my knowledge and experience, as written earlier in the groups, any native's future depends on various factors which i list again: 1. the good and the bad inherited from the past birth. the horoscope as on date of birth is like an audited balance sheet as on so and so date which takes into account all the sins and merits which translate into the punyam and papam of your account which helps you find a womb of your worth, be it born rich, poor, sick or healthy etc. 2. the horoscope presents a broad macro indicator of future reckoning only the old audited balance sheet i.e. the date of birth. if you look at an audited financial statement of satyam computers for last year you cannot predict what happens in the next year except general blah blah blah growth story. 3. the fresh good and bad karmas done in this life lets you post sins and merits to your account which have direct resulsts, sometimes instantly and sometimes with delay but surely in this lifetiem. these fresh good and bad karmas let you catapult to higher levels or turn to worse. 4. astrology itself is mythology and according to this mythology, curses and blessings of gods, sages, gurus, parents and even snakes will have a direct bearing on the present and future of the native. this is a sort of superimposition from the above three and cannot be seen from the above. brahma's daughter ahalya getting cursed to turn into a stone was not written by the vidhata (the best foreteller). 5. very rarely, as mentioned in gita, one in a crore imposes freewill with which he drives the future the way he wants notwithstanding the situations and circumstances but this is done very rarely like adishankara or gautam buddha. 6. though very rare, evil eye and evil possession or any tantra prayoga will have direct instant negative impact which cannot be foretold by any means and is known only after it happens. albeit most people succumb to the evil, few fortunate natives get healed and come out of it. hence you can consider the aboe six as key drivers of deciding a native's present and future and you can allocate the pie chart according to you best application and understanding. coming to remedies and mollifications, the first one is only for knowledge and cannot be rectified. the second one can be advised you by a good astrologer to get you a feel of future like a general healthcheck. the third one too can be shaped according to your needs by a good astrologer or guru to help you tread on the right path in the desired manner. the fourth one too can be found by a good clairvoyant, a healer, a guru or a sage and a proper remedy can be suggested to negate the curses and enhance the blessings. the fifth one is purely your own imposition to which the motivation and helpful direction from a guru would be of immense help. the sixth one is not known to anyone until it happens no one can foretell that in advance and can only be attended to by best healers risking their lives like a fireman extinguishing flames. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , serenity forever <serenity_forever4 wrote: > > So personally after analyzing my own life, I feel the predictions like " you become rich in that particular blah blah period, or your life will take an unexpected reverse turn in that particular year blah blah " all these are trash. > > An individual would know based on his nature, present situation etc. as to how his/her life will be. > > If for a lazy person, it's predicted he/she would become super trillionaire by hard-work, it's trash. There would some truth if it's predicted he/she would become little bit hardworking in the future and might some money, but not the extreme scenario. > > So guess there is no one who can predict well afterall! Either the system is wrong or the astrologer. > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, serenity forever <serenity_forever4 wrote: > > serenity forever <serenity_forever4 > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > vedic astrology > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 1:12 PM True. But I meant something different. I had been to a few " good " astrologers ( " good " as per my notion) and all of them predicted similarly. So I thought atleast there should be an ounce of chance in those predictions coming true. But surprisingle, none of it is coming true and wont come true as per the current trends. Not that I am sad or anything but just ponder sometimes over this, as to why all of them had failed !!! (in my case). > ' > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > vedic astrology > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 11:15 AM > > my 2 cents of worth, > there's nothing like an absolute truth,sort of a relative truth.... > if you will show the same pathological reports to differnet docs and even the most renowned ones the diagnosis can be different ..give a balance sheet to good research analysts and all of them with come with very different views...so its all in the analytical capacity of a person and even some one good erstwhile in his spectrum may fail to judge & analyse some time...also astrology is like a numerical series which on the onset might seem haphazard but when you think deep on it you will find some sort of a connection,so its upon the astrologer whether he is able decipher a chart which is like a cryptic message. > --- On Wed, 1/4/09, serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > wrote: > > serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > > [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > vedic astrology > Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 10:44 PM > > Sometime I just wonder about this issue..does anybody has any reasonable explanation for this?? > > How come sometimes the predictions of " considerably " good astrolgers (whose predictions are similar) fail to happen?? > > Is it that their capabilities arent as expected (which doesnt make sense, since all of them happen to be " good " and moreover thier predictions are similar) or does it have something to do with the system?? > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Though --- On Wed, 4/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 [vedic astrology] Re: Out or curiosity.. vedic astrology Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 6:34 PM dear friend your concluding observation is incorrect and to put it aptly, you may conclude that astrology alone is not sufficient to predict any and everything. according to my knowledge and experience, as written earlier in the groups, any native's future depends on various factors which i list again: 1. the good and the bad inherited from the past birth. the horoscope as on date of birth is like an audited balance sheet as on so and so date which takes into account all the sins and merits which translate into the punyam and papam of your account which helps you find a womb of your worth, be it born rich, poor, sick or healthy etc. 2. the horoscope presents a broad macro indicator of future reckoning only the old audited balance sheet i.e. the date of birth. if you look at an audited financial statement of satyam computers for last year you cannot predict what happens in the next year except general blah blah blah growth story. 3. the fresh good and bad karmas done in this life lets you post sins and merits to your account which have direct resulsts, sometimes instantly and sometimes with delay but surely in this lifetiem. these fresh good and bad karmas let you catapult to higher levels or turn to worse. 4. astrology itself is mythology and according to this mythology, curses and blessings of gods, sages, gurus, parents and even snakes will have a direct bearing on the present and future of the native. this is a sort of superimposition from the above three and cannot be seen from the above. brahma's daughter ahalya getting cursed to turn into a stone was not written by the vidhata (the best foreteller). 5. very rarely, as mentioned in gita, one in a crore imposes freewill with which he drives the future the way he wants notwithstanding the situations and circumstances but this is done very rarely like adishankara or gautam buddha. 6. though very rare, evil eye and evil possession or any tantra prayoga will have direct instant negative impact which cannot be foretold by any means and is known only after it happens. albeit most people succumb to the evil, few fortunate natives get healed and come out of it. hence you can consider the aboe six as key drivers of deciding a native's present and future and you can allocate the pie chart according to you best application and understanding. coming to remedies and mollifications, the first one is only for knowledge and cannot be rectified. the second one can be advised you by a good astrologer to get you a feel of future like a general healthcheck. the third one too can be shaped according to your needs by a good astrologer or guru to help you tread on the right path in the desired manner. the fourth one too can be found by a good clairvoyant, a healer, a guru or a sage and a proper remedy can be suggested to negate the curses and enhance the blessings. the fifth one is purely your own imposition to which the motivation and helpful direction from a guru would be of immense help. the sixth one is not known to anyone until it happens no one can foretell that in advance and can only be attended to by best healers risking their lives like a fireman extinguishing flames. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com vedic astrology, serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ ....> wrote: > > So personally after analyzing my own life, I feel the predictions like " you become rich in that particular blah blah period, or your life will take an unexpected reverse turn in that particular year blah blah " all these are trash. > > An individual would know based on his nature, present situation etc. as to how his/her life will be. > > If for a lazy person, it's predicted he/she would become super trillionaire by hard-work, it's trash. There would some truth if it's predicted he/she would become little bit hardworking in the future and might some money, but not the extreme scenario. > > So guess there is no one who can predict well afterall! Either the system is wrong or the astrologer. > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ ...> wrote: > > serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ ...> > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > vedic astrology > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 1:12 PM True. But I meant something different. I had been to a few " good " astrologers ( " good " as per my notion) and all of them predicted similarly. So I thought atleast there should be an ounce of chance in those predictions coming true. But surprisingle, none of it is coming true and wont come true as per the current trends. Not that I am sad or anything but just ponder sometimes over this, as to why all of them had failed !!! (in my case). > ' > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > vedic astrology > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 11:15 AM > > my 2 cents of worth, > there's nothing like an absolute truth,sort of a relative truth.... > if you will show the same pathological reports to differnet docs and even the most renowned ones the diagnosis can be different ..give a balance sheet to good research analysts and all of them with come with very different views...so its all in the analytical capacity of a person and even some one good erstwhile in his spectrum may fail to judge & analyse some time...also astrology is like a numerical series which on the onset might seem haphazard but when you think deep on it you will find some sort of a connection,so its upon the astrologer whether he is able decipher a chart which is like a cryptic message. > --- On Wed, 1/4/09, serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > wrote: > > serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > > [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > vedic astrology > Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 10:44 PM > > Sometime I just wonder about this issue..does anybody has any reasonable explanation for this?? > > How come sometimes the predictions of " considerably " good astrolgers (whose predictions are similar) fail to happen?? > > Is it that their capabilities arent as expected (which doesnt make sense, since all of them happen to be " good " and moreover thier predictions are similar) or does it have something to do with the system?? > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Though my conclusion isnt satisfactorily answered, still this email is an eye-opener. Very knowledgeble, cleared some of my earlier doubts regarding fate, destiny etc., (Basically my question was about how come even " good " astrologers fail in their predictions - irrespective of the predictions being broad-ranged or narrow-ranged, is the system being misinterpreted since ages or it itself is wrong?! Anyways... ) Thank you. Regards, Serenity. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 [vedic astrology] Re: Out or curiosity.. vedic astrology Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 6:34 PM dear friend your concluding observation is incorrect and to put it aptly, you may conclude that astrology alone is not sufficient to predict any and everything. according to my knowledge and experience, as written earlier in the groups, any native's future depends on various factors which i list again: 1. the good and the bad inherited from the past birth. the horoscope as on date of birth is like an audited balance sheet as on so and so date which takes into account all the sins and merits which translate into the punyam and papam of your account which helps you find a womb of your worth, be it born rich, poor, sick or healthy etc. 2. the horoscope presents a broad macro indicator of future reckoning only the old audited balance sheet i.e. the date of birth. if you look at an audited financial statement of satyam computers for last year you cannot predict what happens in the next year except general blah blah blah growth story. 3. the fresh good and bad karmas done in this life lets you post sins and merits to your account which have direct resulsts, sometimes instantly and sometimes with delay but surely in this lifetiem. these fresh good and bad karmas let you catapult to higher levels or turn to worse. 4. astrology itself is mythology and according to this mythology, curses and blessings of gods, sages, gurus, parents and even snakes will have a direct bearing on the present and future of the native. this is a sort of superimposition from the above three and cannot be seen from the above. brahma's daughter ahalya getting cursed to turn into a stone was not written by the vidhata (the best foreteller). 5. very rarely, as mentioned in gita, one in a crore imposes freewill with which he drives the future the way he wants notwithstanding the situations and circumstances but this is done very rarely like adishankara or gautam buddha. 6. though very rare, evil eye and evil possession or any tantra prayoga will have direct instant negative impact which cannot be foretold by any means and is known only after it happens. albeit most people succumb to the evil, few fortunate natives get healed and come out of it. hence you can consider the aboe six as key drivers of deciding a native's present and future and you can allocate the pie chart according to you best application and understanding. coming to remedies and mollifications, the first one is only for knowledge and cannot be rectified. the second one can be advised you by a good astrologer to get you a feel of future like a general healthcheck. the third one too can be shaped according to your needs by a good astrologer or guru to help you tread on the right path in the desired manner. the fourth one too can be found by a good clairvoyant, a healer, a guru or a sage and a proper remedy can be suggested to negate the curses and enhance the blessings. the fifth one is purely your own imposition to which the motivation and helpful direction from a guru would be of immense help. the sixth one is not known to anyone until it happens no one can foretell that in advance and can only be attended to by best healers risking their lives like a fireman extinguishing flames. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com vedic astrology, serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ ....> wrote: > > So personally after analyzing my own life, I feel the predictions like " you become rich in that particular blah blah period, or your life will take an unexpected reverse turn in that particular year blah blah " all these are trash. > > An individual would know based on his nature, present situation etc. as to how his/her life will be. > > If for a lazy person, it's predicted he/she would become super trillionaire by hard-work, it's trash. There would some truth if it's predicted he/she would become little bit hardworking in the future and might some money, but not the extreme scenario. > > So guess there is no one who can predict well afterall! Either the system is wrong or the astrologer. > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ ...> wrote: > > serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ ...> > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > vedic astrology > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 1:12 PM True. But I meant something different. I had been to a few " good " astrologers ( " good " as per my notion) and all of them predicted similarly. So I thought atleast there should be an ounce of chance in those predictions coming true. But surprisingle, none of it is coming true and wont come true as per the current trends. Not that I am sad or anything but just ponder sometimes over this, as to why all of them had failed !!! (in my case). > ' > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > vedic astrology > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 11:15 AM > > my 2 cents of worth, > there's nothing like an absolute truth,sort of a relative truth.... > if you will show the same pathological reports to differnet docs and even the most renowned ones the diagnosis can be different ..give a balance sheet to good research analysts and all of them with come with very different views...so its all in the analytical capacity of a person and even some one good erstwhile in his spectrum may fail to judge & analyse some time...also astrology is like a numerical series which on the onset might seem haphazard but when you think deep on it you will find some sort of a connection,so its upon the astrologer whether he is able decipher a chart which is like a cryptic message. > --- On Wed, 1/4/09, serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > wrote: > > serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > > [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > vedic astrology > Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 10:44 PM > > Sometime I just wonder about this issue..does anybody has any reasonable explanation for this?? > > How come sometimes the predictions of " considerably " good astrolgers (whose predictions are similar) fail to happen?? > > Is it that their capabilities arent as expected (which doesnt make sense, since all of them happen to be " good " and moreover thier predictions are similar) or does it have something to do with the system?? > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 dear friend your wondering why even best astrologers fail in predictions are based on your assumption and surmise that astrology is meant for prediction. astrology can only give a broad macro outlook and not a predictive tool. astrology cannot predict whether the chart is that of a male or female, whether it is a living or dead, whether the native is married or unmarried, whether employed or unemployed. some astrologers use prashna techniques for these but they too are not foolproof. but still, astrology is consulted by those who believe in it and have faith in it. india used to be bharat khand and has been following astrology all along but got sliced geographically and is still a developing country even in this leftover small country (not continent) with lot of debt. seems like the rulers of this country did not do proper remedies to preclude the land of this holy vedic country from shrinking every year. anyway, besides astrology, natives shall do better karmas and self efforts in getting what they want. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , serenity forever <serenity_forever4 wrote: > > Though my conclusion isnt satisfactorily answered, still this email is an eye-opener. Very knowledgeble, cleared some of my earlier doubts regarding fate, destiny etc., (Basically my question was about how come even " good " astrologers fail in their predictions - irrespective of the predictions being broad-ranged or narrow-ranged, is the system being misinterpreted since ages or it itself is wrong?! Anyways... ) > > Thank you. > > Regards, > Serenity. > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > [vedic astrology] Re: Out or curiosity.. > vedic astrology > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 6:34 PM dear friend > > your concluding observation is incorrect and to put it aptly, you may conclude that astrology alone is not sufficient to predict any and everything. > > according to my knowledge and experience, as written earlier in the groups, any native's future depends on various factors which i list again: > > 1. the good and the bad inherited from the past birth. the horoscope as on date of birth is like an audited balance sheet as on so and so date which takes into account all the sins and merits which translate into the punyam and papam of your account which helps you find a womb of your worth, be it born rich, poor, sick or healthy etc. > > 2. the horoscope presents a broad macro indicator of future reckoning only the old audited balance sheet i.e. the date of birth. if you look at an audited financial statement of satyam computers for last year you cannot predict what happens in the next year except general blah blah blah growth story. > > 3. the fresh good and bad karmas done in this life lets you post sins and merits to your account which have direct resulsts, sometimes instantly and sometimes with delay but surely in this lifetiem. these fresh good and bad karmas let you catapult to higher levels or turn to worse. > > 4. astrology itself is mythology and according to this mythology, curses and blessings of gods, sages, gurus, parents and even snakes will have a direct bearing on the present and future of the native. this is a sort of superimposition from the above three and cannot be seen from the above. brahma's daughter ahalya getting cursed to turn into a stone was not written by the vidhata (the best foreteller). > > 5. very rarely, as mentioned in gita, one in a crore imposes freewill with which he drives the future the way he wants notwithstanding the situations and circumstances but this is done very rarely like adishankara or gautam buddha. > > 6. though very rare, evil eye and evil possession or any tantra prayoga will have direct instant negative impact which cannot be foretold by any means and is known only after it happens. albeit most people succumb to the evil, few fortunate natives get healed and come out of it. > > hence you can consider the aboe six as key drivers of deciding a native's present and future and you can allocate the pie chart according to you best application and understanding. > > coming to remedies and mollifications, the first one is only for knowledge and cannot be rectified. the second one can be advised you by a good astrologer to get you a feel of future like a general healthcheck. the third one too can be shaped according to your needs by a good astrologer or guru to help you tread on the right path in the desired manner. the fourth one too can be found by a good clairvoyant, a healer, a guru or a sage and a proper remedy can be suggested to negate the curses and enhance the blessings. the fifth one is purely your own imposition to which the motivation and helpful direction from a guru would be of immense help. the sixth one is not known to anyone until it happens no one can foretell that in advance and can only be attended to by best healers risking their lives like a fireman extinguishing flames. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > vedic astrology, serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ ....> wrote: > > > > So personally after analyzing my own life, I feel the predictions like " you become rich in that particular blah blah period, or your life will take an unexpected reverse turn in that particular year blah blah " all these are trash. > > > > An individual would know based on his nature, present situation etc. as to how his/her life will be. > > > > If for a lazy person, it's predicted he/she would become super trillionaire by hard-work, it's trash. There would some truth if it's predicted he/she would become little bit hardworking in the future and might some money, but not the extreme scenario. > > > > So guess there is no one who can predict well afterall! Either the system is wrong or the astrologer. > > > > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ ...> wrote: > > > > serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ ...> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 1:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. But I meant something different. I had been to a few " good " astrologers ( " good " as per my notion) and all of them predicted similarly. So I thought atleast there should be an ounce of chance in those predictions coming true. But surprisingle, none of it is coming true and wont come true as per the current trends. Not that I am sad or anything but just ponder sometimes over this, as to why all of them had failed !!! (in my case). > > ' > > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 11:15 AM > > > > my 2 cents of worth, > > there's nothing like an absolute truth,sort of a relative truth.... > > if you will show the same pathological reports to differnet docs and even the most renowned ones the diagnosis can be different ..give a balance sheet to good research analysts and all of them with come with very different views...so its all in the analytical capacity of a person and even some one good erstwhile in his spectrum may fail to judge & analyse some time...also astrology is like a numerical series which on the onset might seem haphazard but when you think deep on it you will find some sort of a connection,so its upon the astrologer whether he is able decipher a chart which is like a cryptic message. > > --- On Wed, 1/4/09, serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > wrote: > > > > serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > > > [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 10:44 PM > > > > Sometime I just wonder about this issue..does anybody has any reasonable explanation for this?? > > > > How come sometimes the predictions of " considerably " good astrolgers (whose predictions are similar) fail to happen?? > > > > Is it that their capabilities arent as expected (which doesnt make sense, since all of them happen to be " good " and moreover thier predictions are similar) or does it have something to do with the system?? > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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