Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Dear Arjunji, Splendid post, as always! But in the 'final analysis' as some HUMANS have been known to have said -- all that you have said appears to me as the following thoughts: There is no magic or curse though often may appear to be so or you being convinced of there being so or having been explained by some divinator! A very agrocentric statement: You harvest/reap what you sow! Runs across many scriptures, and religions! Even though the details such as reincarnation are glossed over or even denied .., for a variety of good reasons! The very reasons why in certain religions more ancient/more lileage and experience, children are not taken to funerals! Because it may scar them or whatever. Once again, this could be overprotectiveness in some cases but maybe some parents and their children are special and can benefit from such experiences! Ah the variation in the flavours of experience again! I do not wish to sound 'unctorial' to anyone on this AUGUST forum but the first step always is to begin with the first house! And to simply assume that <<saturn>> rises in the horoscopes of most humans in this reality we live in! Even if Jupiter is rising when we were born. The special drishtis attributed to mars, jupiter and saturn are REAL as all jyotishis know but they are also symbolic, particularly the vishesh drishtis! I will leave it that. A small typo was corrected in the header when this was posted (from " or " to 'of'). vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend > > your concluding observation is incorrect and to put it aptly, you may conclude that astrology alone is not sufficient to predict any and everything. > > according to my knowledge and experience, as written earlier in the groups, any native's future depends on various factors which i list again: > > 1. the good and the bad inherited from the past birth. the horoscope as on date of birth is like an audited balance sheet as on so and so date which takes into account all the sins and merits which translate into the punyam and papam of your account which helps you find a womb of your worth, be it born rich, poor, sick or healthy etc. > > 2. the horoscope presents a broad macro indicator of future reckoning only the old audited balance sheet i.e. the date of birth. if you look at an audited financial statement of satyam computers for last year you cannot predict what happens in the next year except general blah blah blah growth story. > > 3. the fresh good and bad karmas done in this life lets you post sins and merits to your account which have direct resulsts, sometimes instantly and sometimes with delay but surely in this lifetiem. these fresh good and bad karmas let you catapult to higher levels or turn to worse. > > 4. astrology itself is mythology and according to this mythology, curses and blessings of gods, sages, gurus, parents and even snakes will have a direct bearing on the present and future of the native. this is a sort of superimposition from the above three and cannot be seen from the above. brahma's daughter ahalya getting cursed to turn into a stone was not written by the vidhata (the best foreteller). > > 5. very rarely, as mentioned in gita, one in a crore imposes freewill with which he drives the future the way he wants notwithstanding the situations and circumstances but this is done very rarely like adishankara or gautam buddha. > > 6. though very rare, evil eye and evil possession or any tantra prayoga will have direct instant negative impact which cannot be foretold by any means and is known only after it happens. albeit most people succumb to the evil, few fortunate natives get healed and come out of it. > > hence you can consider the aboe six as key drivers of deciding a native's present and future and you can allocate the pie chart according to you best application and understanding. > > coming to remedies and mollifications, the first one is only for knowledge and cannot be rectified. the second one can be advised you by a good astrologer to get you a feel of future like a general healthcheck. the third one too can be shaped according to your needs by a good astrologer or guru to help you tread on the right path in the desired manner. the fourth one too can be found by a good clairvoyant, a healer, a guru or a sage and a proper remedy can be suggested to negate the curses and enhance the blessings. the fifth one is purely your own imposition to which the motivation and helpful direction from a guru would be of immense help. the sixth one is not known to anyone until it happens no one can foretell that in advance and can only be attended to by best healers risking their lives like a fireman extinguishing flames. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > vedic astrology , serenity forever <serenity_forever4@> wrote: > > > > So personally after analyzing my own life, I feel the predictions like " you become rich in that particular blah blah period, or your life will take an unexpected reverse turn in that particular year blah blah " all these are trash. > > > > An individual would know based on his nature, present situation etc. as to how his/her life will be. > > > > If for a lazy person, it's predicted he/she would become super trillionaire by hard-work, it's trash. There would some truth if it's predicted he/she would become little bit hardworking in the future and might some money, but not the extreme scenario. > > > > So guess there is no one who can predict well afterall! Either the system is wrong or the astrologer. > > > > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, serenity forever <serenity_forever4@> wrote: > > > > serenity forever <serenity_forever4@> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 1:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. But I meant something different. I had been to a few " good " astrologers ( " good " as per my notion) and all of them predicted similarly. So I thought atleast there should be an ounce of chance in those predictions coming true. But surprisingle, none of it is coming true and wont come true as per the current trends. Not that I am sad or anything but just ponder sometimes over this, as to why all of them had failed !!! (in my case). > > ' > > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 11:15 AM > > > > my 2 cents of worth, > > there's nothing like an absolute truth,sort of a relative truth.... > > if you will show the same pathological reports to differnet docs and even the most renowned ones the diagnosis can be different ..give a balance sheet to good research analysts and all of them with come with very different views...so its all in the analytical capacity of a person and even some one good erstwhile in his spectrum may fail to judge & analyse some time...also astrology is like a numerical series which on the onset might seem haphazard but when you think deep on it you will find some sort of a connection,so its upon the astrologer whether he is able decipher a chart which is like a cryptic message. > > --- On Wed, 1/4/09, serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > wrote: > > > > serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > > > [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > > vedic astrology > > Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 10:44 PM > > > > Sometime I just wonder about this issue..does anybody has any reasonable explanation for this?? > > > > How come sometimes the predictions of " considerably " good astrolgers (whose predictions are similar) fail to happen?? > > > > Is it that their capabilities arent as expected (which doesnt make sense, since all of them happen to be " good " and moreover thier predictions are similar) or does it have something to do with the system?? > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 dear RRji there is no mincing of words that i treat astrology as mythyology. in childhood we used to watch mythylogical movies where one arrow from left keep on going spitting fire while a counter arrow from the right keep on coming spitting water. accordingly, if a native feels that planet saturn in the higher skies is holding him from growing up on the success ladder, he needs to mollify planet saturn. similarly all planets and the so called remedies. if a checkdam gets broken and kills hundred innocent men, women and children in deep sleep at midnight like happened earlier this week, it is not just planet moon who rules water but the humans manning that dam too are responsible for causing jalagandam to the innocent natives. faith and belief makes a native turn to astrology so that he spares no effort in getting all good things in life. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com vedic astrology , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Arjunji, > > Splendid post, as always! > > But in the 'final analysis' as some HUMANS have been known to have said -- all that you have said appears to me as the following thoughts: > > > > There is no magic or curse though often may appear to be so or you being convinced of there being so or having been explained by some divinator! > > A very agrocentric statement: You harvest/reap what you sow! > > Runs across many scriptures, and religions! Even though the details such as reincarnation are glossed over or even denied .., for a variety of good reasons! The very reasons why in certain religions more ancient/more lileage and experience, children are not taken to funerals! Because it may scar them or whatever. Once again, this could be overprotectiveness in some cases but maybe some parents and their children are special and can benefit from such experiences! Ah the variation in the flavours of experience again! > > I do not wish to sound 'unctorial' to anyone on this AUGUST forum but the first step always is to begin with the first house! And to simply assume that <<saturn>> rises in the horoscopes of most humans in this reality we live in! Even if Jupiter is rising when we were born. > > The special drishtis attributed to mars, jupiter and saturn are REAL as all jyotishis know but they are also symbolic, particularly the vishesh drishtis! > > I will leave it that. A small typo was corrected in the header when this was posted (from " or " to 'of'). > > > > > vedic astrology , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > your concluding observation is incorrect and to put it aptly, you may conclude that astrology alone is not sufficient to predict any and everything. > > > > according to my knowledge and experience, as written earlier in the groups, any native's future depends on various factors which i list again: > > > > 1. the good and the bad inherited from the past birth. the horoscope as on date of birth is like an audited balance sheet as on so and so date which takes into account all the sins and merits which translate into the punyam and papam of your account which helps you find a womb of your worth, be it born rich, poor, sick or healthy etc. > > > > 2. the horoscope presents a broad macro indicator of future reckoning only the old audited balance sheet i.e. the date of birth. if you look at an audited financial statement of satyam computers for last year you cannot predict what happens in the next year except general blah blah blah growth story. > > > > 3. the fresh good and bad karmas done in this life lets you post sins and merits to your account which have direct resulsts, sometimes instantly and sometimes with delay but surely in this lifetiem. these fresh good and bad karmas let you catapult to higher levels or turn to worse. > > > > 4. astrology itself is mythology and according to this mythology, curses and blessings of gods, sages, gurus, parents and even snakes will have a direct bearing on the present and future of the native. this is a sort of superimposition from the above three and cannot be seen from the above. brahma's daughter ahalya getting cursed to turn into a stone was not written by the vidhata (the best foreteller). > > > > 5. very rarely, as mentioned in gita, one in a crore imposes freewill with which he drives the future the way he wants notwithstanding the situations and circumstances but this is done very rarely like adishankara or gautam buddha. > > > > 6. though very rare, evil eye and evil possession or any tantra prayoga will have direct instant negative impact which cannot be foretold by any means and is known only after it happens. albeit most people succumb to the evil, few fortunate natives get healed and come out of it. > > > > hence you can consider the aboe six as key drivers of deciding a native's present and future and you can allocate the pie chart according to you best application and understanding. > > > > coming to remedies and mollifications, the first one is only for knowledge and cannot be rectified. the second one can be advised you by a good astrologer to get you a feel of future like a general healthcheck. the third one too can be shaped according to your needs by a good astrologer or guru to help you tread on the right path in the desired manner. the fourth one too can be found by a good clairvoyant, a healer, a guru or a sage and a proper remedy can be suggested to negate the curses and enhance the blessings. the fifth one is purely your own imposition to which the motivation and helpful direction from a guru would be of immense help. the sixth one is not known to anyone until it happens no one can foretell that in advance and can only be attended to by best healers risking their lives like a fireman extinguishing flames. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > vedic astrology , serenity forever <serenity_forever4@> wrote: > > > > > > So personally after analyzing my own life, I feel the predictions like " you become rich in that particular blah blah period, or your life will take an unexpected reverse turn in that particular year blah blah " all these are trash. > > > > > > An individual would know based on his nature, present situation etc. as to how his/her life will be. > > > > > > If for a lazy person, it's predicted he/she would become super trillionaire by hard-work, it's trash. There would some truth if it's predicted he/she would become little bit hardworking in the future and might some money, but not the extreme scenario. > > > > > > So guess there is no one who can predict well afterall! Either the system is wrong or the astrologer. > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, serenity forever <serenity_forever4@> wrote: > > > > > > serenity forever <serenity_forever4@> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > > > vedic astrology > > > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 1:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. But I meant something different. I had been to a few " good " astrologers ( " good " as per my notion) and all of them predicted similarly. So I thought atleast there should be an ounce of chance in those predictions coming true. But surprisingle, none of it is coming true and wont come true as per the current trends. Not that I am sad or anything but just ponder sometimes over this, as to why all of them had failed !!! (in my case). > > > ' > > > > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > > > vedic astrology > > > Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 11:15 AM > > > > > > my 2 cents of worth, > > > there's nothing like an absolute truth,sort of a relative truth.... > > > if you will show the same pathological reports to differnet docs and even the most renowned ones the diagnosis can be different ..give a balance sheet to good research analysts and all of them with come with very different views...so its all in the analytical capacity of a person and even some one good erstwhile in his spectrum may fail to judge & analyse some time...also astrology is like a numerical series which on the onset might seem haphazard but when you think deep on it you will find some sort of a connection,so its upon the astrologer whether he is able decipher a chart which is like a cryptic message. > > > --- On Wed, 1/4/09, serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > wrote: > > > > > > serenity_forever4 <serenity_forever4@ > > > > [vedic astrology] Out or curiosity.. > > > vedic astrology > > > Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 10:44 PM > > > > > > Sometime I just wonder about this issue..does anybody has any reasonable explanation for this?? > > > > > > How come sometimes the predictions of " considerably " good astrolgers (whose predictions are similar) fail to happen?? > > > > > > Is it that their capabilities arent as expected (which doesnt make sense, since all of them happen to be " good " and moreover thier predictions are similar) or does it have something to do with the system?? > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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